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    Yeti SB 5.5c discussion

    The new bike has been announced and I think it fits well into the current Yeti lineup. Obviously some people would have liked the ability to run plus sized rubber but I think Yeti doesn't feel this is the time for that project. Instead we get a nice balance with the spec sheet and Geo numbers as this bike will go H2H with the likes of the Remedy, Jeffsy, HighTower, E29 and many others. The big difference is this bike will be so capable go up as it will coming down with switch infinity.

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    Drool worthy

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    A Seat Tube Length 445 483 521
    B Toptube Length 601 626 652
    C Headtube Angle 66.5 66.5 66.5
    D Eff. Seattube Angle 73.6 73.6 73.6
    E Chainstay Length 437 437 437
    F Wheelbase 1168 1195 1222
    G Estimated BB Height 346 346 346
    H Standover 743 754 767
    I Headtube Length 90 105 121
    J Axle to Crown 567 567 567
    K Offset 51 51 51
    L Stack 610 624 639
    M Reach 421 442 463
    N Front Center 730 758 785
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    MEDIUM 5'7" (170 CM) - 5'11" (180 CM)
    LARGE 5'11" (180 CM) - 6'3" (191 CM)
    X-LARGE 6'3" (185 CM) - 6'6" (198 CM)

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    Yeti Cycles – Bikes – SB5.5c

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    29 only, up to 2.4 rear
    Boost 148
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    Stock builds come with Boost 36 Float (only comes in 51mm offset), 45/50mm stem, 785/800mm bar, 30t ring. E1900, 350/XM 481, or 240/Enve M70 HV as stock rims/wheels. Crank length and dropper adjustment range unknown.
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    The lack of plus sized options is a huge miss IMO. Regardless it looks super capable (after you replace that Ardent in the rear)

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    I've got a E-13 Cassette 9-44T as well as 2 Nox Teocalli hoops in my garage ready for the GX build swap. I think I'd be okay with those wheels instead of the Farlows as I'd like to shave some weight off the 28.6 pound estimated. I'm sure the large frame will come in at 29 lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post
    The lack of plus sized options is a huge miss IMO. Regardless it looks super capable (after you replace that Ardent in the rear)
    It's not speced with the ardent but instead the Aggressor which is supposed to be a really capable rear option. Not many available yet as I've looked on a few sites to buy one to try.
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    Love the new specs ..2.5 dhf and 2.3 aggressor brings inline wth others. Guess start saving again.. Smh

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnybex View Post
    It's not speced with the ardent but instead the Aggressor which is supposed to be a really capable rear option. Not many available yet as I've looked on a few sites to buy one to try.
    Hmm specs say Aggressor but pic says Ardent. Hopefully it's the former.

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    I'll be interested to hear what Varaxis thinks about the numbers on paper compared to it's competition from the other manufactures.
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    Float X and Fox 36 160mm shows what the intentions of this bike are along with the 2.5 DHF up front. All business all the time. I think all the guys that rode the SB95 but were waiting will be ready to drop some coin. Not really an issue running 1x with the new casette options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnybex View Post
    Float X and Fox 36 160mm shows what the intentions of this bike are along with the 2.5 DHF up front. All business all the time. I think all the guys that rode the SB95 but were waiting will be ready to drop some coin. Not really an issue running 1x with the new casette options.
    Yup I was one of those guys and bought a 6c. Now I may have both lol damn you Yeti!!

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    I only correct people that try interpret things on paper incorrectly.

    It's the less tangible stuff I'm mostly interested in, like just how stiff is this 6.0 lb frame. They said the 45c was the stiffest frame they ever made, and this one has added mass, besides from the shock. The numbers seem pretty comparable and I'm not a nerd that stresses over HA and CS length differences and try and attribute them to certain characteristics. I'm more of an "entire picture" kind of thinker, and try and pick it apart from different angles.

    For example, with an EVOL air can on there, it would be pretty hard to bottom it out. But since it has a 348 BB, that might mean you can run DH sag levels in the rear (30-35%), considering it doesn't have as wallowy of a midstroke as other air shocks. The med's 90mm HT and the 66.5 HA gets the stack manageable at 610mm. Wheelbase is kept on par with others. Looks to have the same suspension curve as other SB bikes. I don't expect the Float X to have as good of a pedal platform/lockout as the Float DPS inline, due to the nature of its design.

    Personally, I'm not interested, since I don't ride trails that are rough enough to leave enough left over to feel technical, after this thing eats it all up. Not into removing all the challenge from the trail, just to go fast as if that were my only intention. My E29 leaves plenty left over, since it's not the stiffest feeling frame around; kind of feels more like a 29er version of an Ibis Mojo HD3, a sort of long legged trail bike.

    Hmm, wanted to compare the tube shaping and sizes, but it's extremely hard to get the overlay to show well enough. Definitely curvier, maybe trimmer at the junctions, and a bit bigger dimensions throughout:

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    Ended up making a video to share. Looks like the only real major changes I see from the side are to the tube shaping is the vertical spar connecting the seat tube and chainstay at the pivot point areas being more rounded, chainstay dropping a little more in relation to the BB.

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    Ride reviews starting to roll out from the media:

    Yeti SB5.5c - First Ride - Pinkbike

    http://www.vitalmtb.com/product/guid...5-5c-X01,17297 (got the link from the video below, might not be active yet)


    - looks like it turned the rider into a racer, despite him not knowing where he's going
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    So happy they didn't give into the marketing hype of mid fat garbage.

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    It's a damn nice looking bike for sure and numbers seem spot on for intended usage, but WTF were Yeti thinking with that BS video of Rude and his team mate carving smooth trails in NZ? Does not show what a 140/160mm bike should be capable off, should have had them doing some trails like the EWS stuff, maybe Top Of the World in Whistler, not smooth trails you could rip on a rigid or HT.

    BTW, great video by Vita,that's the sort of terrain they should have Rude ripping on, that's what really tests the stiffness and capabilities of a bike like this.
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    get out your credit card skinny haha. looks awesome but no plus compatibility is lame in my opinion. geometry looks great though. i like that they specced it with a 160 fork for the gnar. mid fat is not garbage either. you have clearly never ridden one

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    It's a damn nice looking bike for sure and numbers seem spot on for intended usage, but WTF were Yeti thinking with that BS video of Rude and his team mate carving smooth trails in NZ? Does not show what a 140/160mm bike should be capable off, should have had them doing some trails like the EWS stuff, maybe Top Of the World in Whistler, not smooth trails you could rip on a rigid or HT.

    BTW, great video by Vita,that's the sort of terrain they should have Rude ripping on, that's what really tests the stiffness and capabilities of a bike like this.
    Its just a video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invol2ver View Post
    get out your credit card skinny haha. looks awesome but no plus compatibility is lame in my opinion. geometry looks great though. i like that they specced it with a 160 fork for the gnar. mid fat is not garbage either. you have clearly never ridden one
    It's garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnybex View Post
    Float X and Fox 36 160mm shows what the intentions of this bike are along with the 2.5 DHF up front. All business all the time. I think all the guys that rode the SB95 but were waiting will be ready to drop some coin. Not really an issue running 1x with the new casette options.
    Yep.

    The interesting thing with the 4.5 and 5.5, is that now there is a clear line to take for what you like ride. The 95 was in the middle (but color be built to cater both) and I think many people were confused at the purpose / intention of the 4.5. Now there is a clear division.

    And notice too, the 5.5 is only Medium / Large / XL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikemtb999 View Post
    So happy they didn't give into the marketing hype of mid fat garbage.
    +1, its a race bike,

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    Wow, this is a great release for them... just the type of bike the lineup needed.... really can't wait to ride one sometime.

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    Holy smokes this is my next bike (after a DH bike but that's another story). I was worried I'd need to get an SB6 and an SB4.5 but this will likely be the replacement for my SB95. The Hightower looked really tempting (sriraccha red? hell yeah) but now I'm a full on yeti fanboy again. Not worried at all about being "limited" to a 2.4 tire. I've ridden plenty of fat and plus bikes to know I wouldn't want to make a bike like this slower and numb.

    Anyway looks like everything has been upgraded from the 95. A bit more travel, a bit more stable, a bit more maneuverable (10mm shorter cs), a bit lighter, probably quite a bit stiffer, and hopefully pedals as good or better...and of course a bit more expensive. Can't wait till the demos roll around...

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    It would be interesting to hear what type of tracks the EWS team prefers a 29'er on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post
    The lack of plus sized options is a huge miss IMO. Regardless it looks super capable (after you replace that Ardent in the rear)
    Initially I thought the same, but after thinking about it a while, I think the decision to not include an option for 27+ actually fits their design ethos. Yeti has never been about being all things to all riders. John P has repeatedly said that they have an idea of what they want to build, and if it doesn't fit you, then he's stoked if you find another brand that you love.
    They build bikes that are for racing. They have a laser-focus on building bikes that are stable and maneuverable at high speed. They don't go for for the latest trends like short CS because it might compromise those qualities. Accommodating two wheelsize options because other manufacturers do so might require unacceptable compromises to their core bike characteristics.
    This is not to say SC or Ibis are wishy-washy. If you want to have two bikes in one, that's awesome. Having ridden a regular Pike vs a dual-air Pike for example, I see the compromises necessary to have two travel options in one. I just wouldn't want that.
    I love Yeti sticking to what they know best. It's like they have a clear mission statement and their identity is inexorably tied to it.
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    Does anyone know if it will or won't fit a 27.5 x 2.8 rear tire? I haven't seen any formal mention of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by artnshel View Post
    Does anyone know if it will or won't fit a 27.5 x 2.8 rear tire? I haven't seen any formal mention of it.
    The pink bike article specifically says it.

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    Pricing is getting out of hand...$3.5K?

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    "There's Boost spacing front and rear, but this bike is meant specifically for 29" wheels - there's not enough clearance for a 27.5+ tire."
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    My poor photography skills won't do it justice, but this bike is quite the looker! From the moment it rolled in our door I knew I wanted to immediately ride it based on how fast it looked standing still!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnybex View Post
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    Wow!
    Thats the bike i always wanted..
    29", 160mm / 140mm and a great suspension system going uphill.. plus some great aggressive geo for downhill

    Sooner or later.. i'll get a frame and put the (upgraded) Parts from my Stumpjumper over!

    The only problem... i can't decide between those colors!
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    You can put what you want on the front. No design ethos there.
    A wider rim on the rear will get benefits out of rounded profile tires. E1900 is 25 id. Enve M70 is 30mm id. You could probably go 35mm with the right tire.

    Here's some Plus bike 'marketing hype'. Somehow Wade can ride them.


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    It's good to see a true SB95c replacement, that bike ripped - up, over and down everything, I hope this bike feels just as urgent. This bike could potentially see me back in the tribe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eb1888 View Post
    You can put what you want on the front. No design ethos there.
    A wider rim on the rear will get benefits out of rounded profile tires. E1900 is 25 id. Enve M70 is 30mm id. You could probably go 35mm with the right tire.
    To add to this info, EX481 is 35/30 (Outer/Inner).

    Comparison on the different wheel sizes: The Duel of the Tyre Sizes: 27.5+ vs. 27.5" and 29er Bikes | ENDURO Mountainbike Magazine (27.5+ shows instability at high speed)

    Daverino has the same opinion I do. This is the premier 29er Enduro race bike. Don't think anything else on the market will be as race tuned as this, but with that said, a race tune doesn't fit everyone for everyday trail riding, hence why I'm sticking to what I got for the moment unless I run into a deal that I can't pass up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by artnshel View Post
    Does anyone know if it will or won't fit a 27.5 x 2.8 rear tire? I haven't seen any formal mention of it.
    Also, in Yeti's FAQ section for this bike, it states that the 5.5 will not be plus compatible.

    All Yeti's are "race bred", so I doubt they'll do a plus bike anytime soon, if ever--unless their riders end up winning on plus bikes I guess.

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    Oh well looks like im going with a Mojo 3.
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    The point of Plus capability isn't that you have to run them. It's that you can run them. If your terrain warrants that tuning choice. Ride Bookwus on Fromme like in the video and they work. If I had access that a trail like that my bike choice would be influenced. But I'd still want my 29 wheel/tire choice for higher speed stuff. Like two bikes for the price of an extra wheelset.

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    Well Ibis did add the rear triangle for the HD3 just recently ass an upgrade so maybe it'll be an option in the future if enough people show the interest.
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    I already have a Large Silver Bullet Gx build on preorder with BC/CC and my guy tells me 5/20 is due date. I'll have the Nox Teo's built up with hope pro 4's and I'll swap the gx cassette to my e-13 9-44t. then just handlebar and stem and I'm set.
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    Awesome. I look forward to reading your experience with it and how it compares with the rest of your Yeti quiver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoopow View Post
    Awesome. I look forward to reading your experience with it and how it compares with the rest of your Yeti quiver.
    I gave up gambling years ago and my kids are in college so with my main job in life accomplished this has become my addiction. Not a bad addiction to have as I'll hopefully stay fit and smile wide. I just decided to add Scotland to my trip list in July so the question will be what bike to rule the highlands ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND View Post
    My poor photography skills won't do it justice, but this bike is quite the looker! From the moment it rolled in our door I knew I wanted to immediately ride it based on how fast it looked standing still!

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    Darren or anyone really what stroke shock does it use? Just rented a Hightower and I'm using a lot of pressure to hold up my big ass on the little 2" stroke shock.

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    great response. it's garbage. you must be slower then maple syrup. you can go faster on a good plus set up then any 29 on the same bike. the only reason the ews guys don't run them yet is puncture resistance plain and simple. the tires just haven't been developed enough. on a 40mm rim with a 2.8 tire the speed you can carry over anything is actually quite hilarious. but back on topic the 5.5 looks sick. skinny your going to love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by invol2ver View Post
    great response. it's garbage. you must be slower then maple syrup. you can go faster on a good plus set up then any 29 on the same bike. the only reason the ews guys don't run them yet is puncture resistance plain and simple. the tires just haven't been developed enough. on a 40mm rim with a 2.8 tire the speed you can carry over anything is actually quite hilarious. but back on topic the 5.5 looks sick. skinny your going to love it
    It's just a repeat of 10-12 years ago, the only difference is the wheel diameters are bigger (so instead of a 24x3.0 tire on a 26 bike it's a 27.5x3.0 on a 29) and it didn't work then. To make a tire that can actually go fast, it's going to be way too heavy. Maybe your terrain is smooth and mellow but here in Colorado there are plenty of jagged rocks. Try riding apex (yeti's lunch ride trail) and tell me how well your plus size tires worked as you walk it out.

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    invol2ver, I'm loving the rock razor paired up with the hans on the 4.5 thanks again for the advice on the tire. Now if they hold up in our elements i'll be stoked.
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    [QUOTE=invol2ver;12578068]great response. it's garbage. you must be slower then maple syrup. you can go faster on a good plus set up then any 29 on the same bike. the only reason the ews guys don't run them yet is puncture resistance plain and simple. the tires just haven't been developed enough. on a 40mm rim with a 2.8 tire the speed you can carry over anything is actually quite hilarious. but back on topic the 5.5 looks sick. skinny your going to love it[/I feel like the speed you can carry thru stuff has less to do with tire size and more to do with suspension setup and quality of travel.
    I think the reason EWS riders aren't using plus-sized wheels is more that under the hard lateral loads that they create, there's more deformation of the tire (especially at the lower pressures you'd run to get the benefits of bigger tires) that leads to unpredictable grip and handling. In order to combat this, you'd need stiffer sidewalls, but then tire weight would go way up.

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    Edited because the ****ing shitty insurance company is taking every word on the forum said to weasel out of a claim.

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    LOL ... i live in southern utah. my home trails are moab and st. george. the plus tires make the biggest difference in rough jagged terrain. the maxxis tires have not been great for puncture resistance but the specialized tires and schwalbes have been good so far. you just have to get the pressure right. yeah skinny the schwalbe snake skins have been holding up better then the maxxis exo. by the way apex trail is fun but please on the rough trail speak. it's fine that you think plus tires suck but don't be one of the evil forumers and make comments like that on things you have never tried

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    Pricing is getting out of hand...$3.5K?
    Have you seen frame only price for new intense spider?

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    Man should I sell the 6c for this lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeti575inCA View Post
    Man should I sell the 6c for this lol
    If your dead set on a 29'er then this is the bike for you. I think if you could get 5k for your 6c or whatever you deem fair market value then aim for the 5.5 Gx build. You'd break even and have the 29'er you wanted all along that they finally released. I assume your 6c is a 2016 model ? It should get top dollar.
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    2015 and I loved my sb95c..I bought the 6c because the 4.5 wasn't the 5.5...ughh

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    I don't have to tell you what a great bike the 6c is because you own one but you can soon get the bike you always wanted Yeti to design. Demo the 5.5 if you can just to be sure and then make your decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnybex View Post
    I don't have to tell you what a great bike the 6c is because you own one but you can soon get the bike you always wanted Yeti to design. Demo the 5.5 if you can just to be sure and then make your decision.
    Yea I will be ar sea otter and hope to see one and end of the month lbs has a yeti demo and hope they have a XL 5.5 to try...

    Also I noticed a change from previous yetis is the shorter headtube..

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeti575inCA View Post
    Man should I sell the 6c for this lol
    It's pretty much a 6c with 29er wheels. Depends on how raw your trails are, and how much you want it steamrolled. If your trails have a lot of stop and go action (braking, followed by sharp accelerating), stick to the smaller wheels. If it's mostly long distance cruising or has plenty of flow, with minimal brake action (unless it's just to scrub speed, since you're going so f'ing fast and risk going off the side of the trail/cliff), go 29er. Either way, both the 6c and 5.5c threaten KOMs and threaten losing slower riding buddies.
    We're all on the same ship, and it's sinking.

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    I'm glad I got a SB95C when I did. I ride a small and the med 5.5 wouldn't fit me well. I want to stick with 29ers so I'll keep the SB95C. Still an awesome bike

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    Yeti said they ran their original SI pivot prototype for 3 years with zero maintenance. Other protos were submerged in various types of mud and cycled for weeks at a time. Its been out for almost 3 years now with surprisingly few problems (that I've seen posted on the internets). The worst I've seen was a pic of some wear on the kashima coating. And doesn't everyone use enduro bearings these days?

    Anyway, had a great ride on my 95 last night but man I want this bike. Good thing my 95 is inanimate and won't get jealous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by invol2ver View Post
    great response. it's garbage. you must be slower then maple syrup. you can go faster on a good plus set up then any 29 on the same bike. the only reason the ews guys don't run them yet is puncture resistance plain and simple. the tires just haven't been developed enough. on a 40mm rim with a 2.8 tire the speed you can carry over anything is actually quite hilarious. but back on topic the 5.5 looks sick. skinny your going to love it
    Plus tires are great in slow/tight/techy terrain, but there is NO chance EWS riders will be on them any time soon.. maybe a 2.6 tire in the future. Read Seb Kemps review on NSMb or Enduro-mtb's review on plus bikes, they both point out that plus wheels are terrifying at high speeds and lack the precision needed for pinpoint line alterations... there is market for plus bikes, yeti does not cater to that market. end of story

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    [QUOTE=Terp;12578710]Yeti said they ran their original SI pivot prototype for 3 years with zero maintenance. Other protos were submerged in various types of mud and cycled for weeks at a time. Its been out for almost 3 years now with surprisingly few problems (that I've seen posted on the internets). The worst I've seen was a pic of some wear on the kashima coating. And doesn't everyone use enduro bearings these days?



    I've had great luck with the SI system, both on mine and customer bikes.. Never seen a problem yet.. I did see that article (think it was Enduro mag ? they had wear on the sliders, however i doubt it would effect the ride at all)

    My bike developed a rough running Enduro bearing on the side of the SI system but thats a quick fix.. and the switch Infinity itself has had zero problems.
    I lubed it once last year, and rode 5-6 days a week in everything from high desert to rainy east coast, completely disassembled this winter and its good as new !

    Honestly concerns about the Switch Infinity System should NOT keep anyone off one of these bikes... The suspension system is simply amazing, and requires very little maintanance

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    Quote Originally Posted by curbhuck View Post
    Plus tires are great in slow/tight/techy terrain, but there is NO chance EWS riders will be on them any time soon.. maybe a 2.6 tire in the future. Read Seb Kemps review on NSMb or Enduro-mtb's review on plus bikes, they both point out that plus wheels are terrifying at high speeds and lack the precision needed for pinpoint line alterations... there is market for plus bikes, yeti does not cater to that market. end of story
    The "Yeti only makes bikes for racers" Kool-Aid is the best Kool-Aid of all. The market Yeti caters to is all of the upper middle class weekend warriors who like to imagine they could race in an EWS. I promise that if enough of that demo starts wanting 27.5+ bikes, they'll make one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    The "Yeti only makes bikes for racers" Kool-Aid is the best Kool-Aid of all. The market Yeti caters to is all of the upper middle class weekend warriors who like to imagine they could race in an EWS. I promise that if enough of that demo starts wanting 27.5+ bikes, they'll make one.
    As opposed to the "you need another new bike to run these fragile/underdeveloped tires" Kool Aid? Buying a plus bike right now is like buying the first gen 650b bikes that were basically hastily slapped together stop-gaps (including the SB75) I'll take racing kool-aid over guinea-pigging unproven technology all day long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    The market Yeti caters to is all of the upper middle class weekend warriors who like to imagine they could race in an EWS.
    Heh, maybe so. I fit that description for generous definitions of upper middle class. If you genuinely have a problem with Yeti targeting the high end market it must mean the bike you ride is from the brand that caters to "THE REAL MTB RIDERS" that's not in it for the money and only cares about building good bikes and is run by the last honest bike builder in the country...or something.

    Any you know what? Good for you! Go ride your awesome plus bike from TruthMTB. Hell, tell us what you like about it. Post cool ride pics. I just can't stand people using the "Kool Aid" meme like Yeti is trying to pull a fast one on their fans. You know what? Most of us fanboys have ridden bikes from many other brands...and probably own some....and still chose to spend more money on Yetis!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terp View Post
    Heh, maybe so. I fit that description for generous definitions of upper middle class. If you genuinely have a problem with Yeti targeting the high end market it must mean the bike you ride is from the brand that caters to "THE REAL MTB RIDERS" that's not in it for the money and only cares about building good bikes and is run by the last honest bike builder in the country...or something.

    Any you know what? Good for you! Go ride your awesome plus bike from TruthMTB. Hell, tell us what you like about it. Post cool ride pics. I just can't stand people using the "Kool Aid" meme like Yeti is trying to pull a fast one on their fans. You know what? Most of us fanboys have ridden bikes from many other brands...and probably own some....and still chose to spend more money on Yetis!
    My point has nothing to do with the price of the bikes, although they are up there. I'm an upper-middle-class weekend warrior myself, and not very fast. I was just pointing out that a company that only made bikes for racers, or riders with the skill to be racers, would go out of business immediately. Yeti makes bikes for people who want to own a bike that they think is made for racers. That's fine, they are great bikes. But Yeti is a company, and they make bikes to sell bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    My point has nothing to do with the price of the bikes, although they are up there. I'm an upper-middle-class weekend warrior myself, and not very fast. I was just pointing out that a company that only made bikes for racers, or riders with the skill to be racers, would go out of business immediately. Yeti makes bikes for people who want to own a bike that they think is made for racers. That's fine, they are great bikes. But Yeti is a company, and they make bikes to sell bikes.
    As opposed to Santa Cruz ? Who do they make bikes for ? Devinci ? Stupid statement to make....end of story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnybex View Post
    As opposed to Santa Cruz ? Who do they make bikes for ? Devinci ? Stupid statement to make....end of story.
    At no point did I say that Yeti was somehow worse than other companies in this regard. It's the fanboys that keep doing that. My point is that all of these companies make high performance mountain bikes designed to be ridden at speed on technical trails and pedal efficiently. That Yeti has some kind of "race focused" approach to this is 100% marketing BS, but it's apparently really effective marketing BS. If you really think this bike design is "all about racing" I've got bad news for you: long travel 29ers will probably always be a minor situational niche in enduro racing.

    They make amazing trail bikes, though, which is why you should buy one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    The "Yeti only makes bikes for racers" Kool-Aid is the best Kool-Aid of all. The market Yeti caters to is all of the upper middle class weekend warriors who like to imagine they could race in an EWS. I promise that if enough of that demo starts wanting 27.5+ bikes, they'll make one.

    My point has nothing to do with the price of the bikes, although they are up there. I'm an upper-middle-class weekend warrior myself, and not very fast. I was just pointing out that a company that only made bikes for racers, or riders with the skill to be racers, would go out of business immediately. Yeti makes bikes for people who want to own a bike that they think is made for racers. That's fine, they are great bikes. But Yeti is a company, and they make bikes to sell bikes.
    And the dudes who actually kill it racing enduro seem to be on sub $3K alloy bikes from Specialized, Giant and Trek and too young in their careers to be able to afford $6K+ carbon wonder bikes unless they have some sort of sponsorship.

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    I gave up gambling years ago and my kids are in college so with my main job in life accomplished this has become my addiction. Not a bad addiction to have as I'll hopefully stay fit and smile wide. I just decided to add Scotland to my trip list in July so the question will be what bike to rule the highlands ?
    If there can only be one? 5.5c is going to be in the running.

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    The bike I have been waiting for to replace my 95. Probably still a year out on a new bike purchase, but this is definitely at the top of the demo schedule.

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    Yeah I'm looking at a year from now as well.

    In the mean time...

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    Yeti makes bikes for people who want to own a bike that they think is made for racers.
    I don't believe that this statement has any truth to it.
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    Yeti makes Bad Ass bikes that are capable of tackling any trail, drop, switchback, climb, decent, berm, sweeper, off camber drop, Rooted or rutted, rocky or smooth place you could ever ride a bike and they do it with style and class. Kool-Aid was cool like 20 years ago so instead of some people talking smack about Fanboy's or Kool-Aid drinkers either buy a Yeti or buy something else.
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    The whole concept is 'make a bike that races well', because it'll be a proven platform which can be predictable, stable, and controllable. It works, and it not unique to just one company.

    I'm still amused to think about the reactions I got at a Yeti demo day a six weeks back - I basically asked about how similar the 4.5c is to the 5.5c. Good deadpan response (for the most part), but the 5.5c fills the needed spot in the lineup so well, it's hard to avoid. Given the spec options available, I suspect the professional journo circuit will all have this bike towards the top of their lists in 'best bike period', but also be complaining a little bit about the accessibility to get into one (and that direct sales options can bring a nearly identical spec sheet to the table for a lot less). I suspect this is a bike for people that won't be comparison shopping based on small details of the spec sheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlx john View Post
    I don't believe that this statement has any truth to it.
    That is fair enough. I don't mean to suggest these are the only people that ride Yeti bikes, just that there's a certain... brand enthusiasm for Yeti that is often expressed in terms that are basically meaningless and involve an appeal to racing or "going really fast." Actual quote from this thread: "They build bikes that are for racing. They have a laser-focus on building bikes that are stable and maneuverable at high speed. They don't go for for the latest trends like short CS because it might compromise those qualities." You'll also find in this thread comments about how the 5.5c is the "most race-tuned 29er" out there. Or that 27.5+ is unacceptable for racing, which is why Yeti doesn't make a bike for it. Kool-Aid is the only way to describe that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    That is fair enough. I don't mean to suggest these are the only people that ride Yeti bikes, just that there's a certain... brand enthusiasm for Yeti that is often expressed in terms that are basically meaningless and involve an appeal to racing or "going really fast." Actual quote from this thread: "They build bikes that are for racing. They have a laser-focus on building bikes that are stable and maneuverable at high speed. They don't go for for the latest trends like short CS because it might compromise those qualities." You'll also find in this thread comments about how the 5.5c is the "most race-tuned 29er" out there. Or that 27.5+ is unacceptable for racing, which is why Yeti doesn't make a bike for it. Kool-Aid is the only way to describe that.
    I'm as cynical a person as you'll find, so I feel like I need to justify my quote

    I think we can all agree that bike design is an exercise in compromises. I don't think it's kool aid to say that Yeti's designs lean towards the less-poppy, more stable end of the spectrum. My SB5 has 442mm chainstays and a long wheelbase. It's harder to manual than other bikes of its ilk. Compared to the Thunderbolt, 5010, Mach 4c, and Ripley V1 that I test rode, it was much more stable at speed. Definitely less playful. My conclusion is that the design team made these choices knowing it would be faster down a hill for someone really trying. Somewhere I read that Jared Graves had design input, thus the geo numbers? (Certainly could be marketing hype, I know...)
    I'm not ignorant to the old marketing adage, "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday" or other marketing tropes. I like Patagonia, for example, because they are mindful of the conditions their workers work in. They certainly tout it in their marketing and have every right to. It appeals to me, and I feel good about buying their stuff if I can afford it.
    I feel good about my Yeti because it rides like a dream. I like that EWS podiums have been made on the same frame. Am I a good rider? Not really. Did I fall for some marketing hype? Maybe, but I like to think that I'm not an unmitigated fanboy, despite feeling good about my purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daverino View Post
    I'm as cynical a person as you'll find, so I feel like I need to justify my quote

    I think we can all agree that bike design is an exercise in compromises. I don't think it's kool aid to say that Yeti's designs lean towards the less-poppy, more stable end of the spectrum. My SB5 has 442mm chainstays and a long wheelbase. It's harder to manual than other bikes of its ilk. Compared to the Thunderbolt, 5010, Mach 4c, and Ripley V1 that I test rode, it was much more stable at speed. Definitely less playful. My conclusion is that the design team made these choices knowing it would be faster down a hill for someone really trying. Somewhere I read that Jared Graves had design input, thus the geo numbers? (Certainly could be marketing hype, I know...)
    I'm not ignorant to the old marketing adage, "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday" or other marketing tropes. I like Patagonia, for example, because they are mindful of the conditions their workers work in. They certainly tout it in their marketing and have every right to. It appeals to me, and I feel good about buying their stuff if I can afford it.
    I feel good about my Yeti because it rides like a dream. I like that EWS podiums have been made on the same frame. Am I a good rider? Not really. Did I fall for some marketing hype? Maybe, but I like to think that I'm not an unmitigated fanboy, despite feeling good about my purchase.
    Sorry to single you out. I think that's a pretty balanced take, in that it actually acknowledges the drawbacks inherent in design.

    (I'm a huge Patagonia fan myself, for the exact reasons you describe. People make fun of me on days I end up wearing the hat, down jacket, and t-shirt all at once. I'm not opposed to brand loyalty. I'm just opposed to buying in too strongly to marketing hype that has no objective referent.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    That is fair enough. I don't mean to suggest these are the only people that ride Yeti bikes, just that there's a certain... brand enthusiasm for Yeti that is often expressed in terms that are basically meaningless and involve an appeal to racing or "going really fast." Actual quote from this thread: "They build bikes that are for racing. They have a laser-focus on building bikes that are stable and maneuverable at high speed. They don't go for for the latest trends like short CS because it might compromise those qualities." You'll also find in this thread comments about how the 5.5c is the "most race-tuned 29er" out there. Or that 27.5+ is unacceptable for racing, which is why Yeti doesn't make a bike for it. Kool-Aid is the only way to describe that.
    You spend your time in the Yeti forum disecting peoples past posts without ever riding or owning one of their bikes. I'll tell you what, I don't spend my day in the Santa Cruz forum or Evil forum anymore because I respect those owners or prospective owners who want information. Your opinion is noted because you can't leave things alone and you continue to take away from this thread which is about information on this model and it's capabilities and ride reports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    Sorry to single you out. I think that's a pretty balanced take, in that it actually acknowledges the drawbacks inherent in design.

    (I'm a huge Patagonia fan myself, for the exact reasons you describe. People make fun of me on days I end up wearing the hat, down jacket, and t-shirt all at once. I'm not opposed to brand loyalty. I'm just opposed to buying in too strongly to marketing hype that has no objective referent.)
    Lol, so you think that the drawback in the design of the Switch Infinity bikes is that they are long and stable ? Wow man, enjoy your bike because you've got it all figured out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    That is fair enough. I don't mean to suggest these are the only people that ride Yeti bikes, just that there's a certain... brand enthusiasm for Yeti that is often expressed in terms that are basically meaningless and involve an appeal to racing or "going really fast." Actual quote from this thread: "They build bikes that are for racing. They have a laser-focus on building bikes that are stable and maneuverable at high speed. They don't go for for the latest trends like short CS because it might compromise those qualities." You'll also find in this thread comments about how the 5.5c is the "most race-tuned 29er" out there. Or that 27.5+ is unacceptable for racing, which is why Yeti doesn't make a bike for it. Kool-Aid is the only way to describe that.
    We're talking about a mountain bike here and not a big wheel aren't we. A bike you ride on the edge, you know, one small mistake and you may end up the ER, or dead. If a bike isn't built good enough for racing, then I sure the hell wouldn't want to ride it on a trail that may cost me my life. Don't most bike companies build bikes with the input from their riders and bikes they ride themselves. Then in this case, most bike companies build bikes for racing. After all, we are talking about a mountain bike, wheather you ride XC or like to bomb gnarly downhill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicane32 View Post
    We're talking about a mountain bike here and not a big wheel aren't we. A bike you ride on the edge, you know, one small mistake and you may end up the ER, or dead. If a bike isn't built good enough for racing, then I sure the hell wouldn't want to ride it on a trail that may cost me my life. Don't most bike companies build bikes with the input from their riders and bikes they ride themselves. Then in this case, most bike companies build bikes for racing. After all, we are talking about a mountain bike, wheather you ride XC or like to bomb gnarly downhill.
    To an extent, yes, and that's my point. Racing is a useful context to really test designs. But I'd be willing to bet most recreational mountain bikers would actually hate the feel of Jared Graves's (or your other favorite racer's) suspension set up, tire pressure, etc. Lots of things that people do to race are not in fact the ideal solution for most mountain bikers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnybex View Post
    You spend your time in the Yeti forum disecting peoples past posts without ever riding or owning one of their bikes. I'll tell you what, I don't spend my day in the Santa Cruz forum or Evil forum anymore because I respect those owners or prospective owners who want information. Your opinion is noted because you can't leave things alone and you continue to take away from this thread which is about information on this model and it's capabilities and ride reports.
    How many posts in this thread are reporting on the capabilities of this bike after having ridden one? Is there even a single sentence? I'm just commenting on the fact that we're already hearing how "race tuned" and "race ready" it is WHEN NO ONE HAS EVEN RIDDEN IT. By all means PLEASE post some ride reports.

    For what it's worth, this bike is 100% on my radar, in the top 3 or maybe even 2, for my next bike purchase, which will take place this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnybex View Post
    Lol, so you think that the drawback in the design of the Switch Infinity bikes is that they are long and stable ? Wow man, enjoy your bike because you've got it all figured out.
    He said the bikes are harder to manual and less playful. That's a well known drawback of longer bikes (the plus being that they can be more stable at speed (in a straight line).

    And I should also note, the 5.5c has a pretty short wheelbase and rear center, all things considered. Funny how that works. (Those are two important qualities to me in a long travel 29er trail bike.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    How many posts in this thread are reporting on the capabilities of this bike after having ridden one? Is there even a single sentence?
    I've spent enough time responding to you and your thoughts. Thanks for the input you've given and maybe we will have another conversation on another topic that we don't disagree on. Take care on enjoy riding as thats the point of all this being fun and our passion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnybex View Post
    I've spent enough time responding to you and your thoughts. Thanks for the input you've given and maybe we will have another conversation on another topic that we don't disagree on. Take care on enjoy riding as thats the point of all this being fun and our passion.
    I can always agree to that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    To an extent, yes, and that's my point. Racing is a useful context to really test designs. But I'd be willing to bet most recreational mountain bikers would actually hate the feel of Jared Graves's (or your other favorite racer's) suspension set up, tire pressure, etc. Lots of things that people do to race are not in fact the ideal solution for most mountain bikers.
    Don't really get your point about having to mimic a racers setup just because Yeti speaks the truth about what they build their bikes after, or for. We all know what works for someone else, may not work for you. Would it really make a difference, if Yeti stated that their bikes are built for recreation, instead? Would people feel differently about wanting to buy a Yeti.

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    hillharman is a good dude, he's not trying to be difficult. I get his point, but Yeti's have always demanded a premium... Justifiably or not.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicane32 View Post
    Don't really get your point about having to mimic a racers setup just because Yeti speaks the truth about what they build their bikes after, or for. We all know what works for someone else, may not work for you. Would it really make a difference, if Yeti stated that their bikes are built for recreation, instead? Would people feel differently about wanting to buy a Yeti.
    We all want to buy a bike that makes us feel like a better rider, whether it's true in reality or not. Otherwise these bike/component companies wouldn't waste their time and money on "sick edits" with pro talent.

    I don't see anything wrong with it personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicane32 View Post
    Don't really get your point about having to mimic a racers setup just because Yeti speaks the truth about what they build their bikes after, or for. We all know what works for someone else, may not work for you. Would it really make a difference, if Yeti stated that their bikes are built for recreation, instead? Would people feel differently about wanting to buy a Yeti.
    I actually don't think the current iteration of Yeti is actually selling the racing thing all that hard. Most of their marketing is all about designing bikes they'd like to ride, bikes that take in to account feedback from riders, etc. It's mostly just the kind of thing you hear from the hardcore fans (which is a holdover from an older Yeti brand identity, I guess).

    An example of what I'm talking about is how you'd see people explaining the somewhat longish chainstay lengths on some Yeti bikes (SB-5c is a good example) as this intentional thing that's all about the "Yeti feel" and "long low and slack" and "racing" etc. etc. You'll notice that the 5.5c has the same chain stay length as the 4.5c, which is unusual, and an entirely salutary thing. In fact, the 5.5c actually has shorter chain stays than the 5c, which has smaller wheels and less travel! Is one of those good for enduro racing and the other isn't? Has this somehow compromised the "race-ready" philosophy of Yeti bikes? No. The fact that the SB-5c has longish chain stays had nothing to do with racing. Chainstay length on a full suspension bike is almost always an engineering problem, and if someone trying to sell you a bike tells you otherwise, you shouldn't believe them. With multiple iterations of the SI platform, they are probably just getting better at keeping everything tight in there, along with things like Boost, so they chainstays are getting shorter. Just like with VPP3, the latest DW-Link, etc. Sure, at some point, chainstays can be too short, but it's actually very difficult to achieve that on a full suspension bike.

    So to clarify, I think the 5.5c geo looks pretty close to dead-on, and the SI platform seems great, but the idea that Yeti is "bucking the short chainstay trend" is total BS. The 5.5c has very short chainstays for what it is, and much shorter than you would predict based on the geometry of bikes like the 5c and 6c. Just for kicks, if you look at a picture of the 5.5c and the 6c, you'll notice that the SI mechanism is moved significantly forward on the 5.5c relative to the bottom bracket.

    Hopefully this is all sufficiently on topic, since as I've said, I'm actually very interested in this bike, but for reasons that actually detract from what I've been told Yeti is all about, namely, really long wheelbases and long chainstays :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    Just for kicks, if you look at a picture of the 5.5c and the 6c, you'll notice that the SI mechanism is moved significantly forward on the 5.5c relative to the bottom bracket.
    On that note, compare it to the SB5. Look how much the angle of the switch stanchions has changed. And also the SI "cage". The 5 has a huge chunk of carbon over the top of it whereas the 5.5's is much smaller. I'm guessing the SB5c is still selling well enough as is that Yeti doesn't think it needs an update even so the SB6 already had one.

    The pivot on the 5.5 also seems to sit higher in on the stanchion than any of the other bikes. I wonder if there is room for a slightly longer (metric?!) shock that will bump the travel up to a nice round 152.4mm (aka 6"). Also its hard to tell from the website but it seems like the 5.5 has the most vertical wheel path out of all the SI bikes.

    I'm already 100% sold on the bike but hopefully someone can chime in and tell me that a vertical wheel path is desirable for some reason that I'll never have the skill to fully appreciate.

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    Yeti SB 5.5c discussion

    This is looking like it'll probably be my next bike, but since I'm not in a rush, when might we start seeing some of the new offerings on stock builds from SRAM (Eagle 12spd), Fox (new 34's released the other day), Guide (new caliper), etc?

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    Saw them at Sea Otter today and they are sweet in person. FYI silver is darker than website shows. Cody was riding his and I think he is racing it in DH this weekend and guys at Yeti say Ritchie may use it for next EWS!!

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    That silver looks pretty nice! Love that is is darker than on the website.. thanks for the pics!
    Still can't decide.. lol :-)

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    Yeah, this bike is making my decision on how to replace my '13 SB95a a little tricky. I'm probably better at XC-flowy/grunting out climbs than I am at sending it on technical terrain, but given that I live in the Tetons and try get to Hurricane at least once a year I do end up riding pretty chunky, if not techy, trails somewhat regularly.

    I wouldn't want the 4.5c to bottom out or feel under-gunned when I'm nuking through rocky sections, and similarly would hate to feel like the 5.5c was wallowy or slowing me down too much on climbs just to give me downhill capabilities over the 4.5c that I rarely tap into...not a bad problem to have I guess. I'm going to get on a 4.5c demo down in St. George weekend after next, and was contemplating pulling the trigger shortly afterwards if that ride went well - the 5.5c is going to have me thinking a lot.

    Bottom line: at release, I couldn't figure out why Yeti would have decreased the 95s travel. I realized I probably wasn't exactly pushing the 95s limits to the max anyways, talked myself into the 4.5 all winter, and was one demo ride away from dropping in. Now the big ticket gear merry go round gets turned on again.

    The 95a was such a game-changer for my riding that I'm having a tough time figuring out where on the curve I sit. Will the 4.5 maintain all the capability of the 95 but let me crush the XC stuff even harder, or will it make some of the chunk I'm used to cleaning without a thought on the 95a back to being a challenge? I suppose I could hold off on the purchase until I get a chance to ride the 5.5, but I wouldn't bet on my local Yeti shop getting a demo so I might have to rally somewhere...which with Kid #1 due in June might be a little tricky.

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    I would say if you were on a stock 95c and thought it was enough bike then you will be fine on the 4.5. I have been blown away by how capable the 4.5 is. Don't let the 115mm travel fool you, it is high quality travel you want - not just more travel. I was able to set a top time on Captain Ahab gnar segment with my 4.5c so I would say it is enough bike. I am going to try a float x on my 4.5c today to see how it compares. So far I started with the xc tune, now have the trail tune and will see how a float x helps as I had a float x on my 95c and it really helped in rougher terrain and long descents.

    The 5.5 looks rad and I will probably build one up but it will be to replace my 6c as I like 29ers. I think the 5.5c will be like the 6c in that it is a great daily driver but really not that fun to ride unless it is steep terrain.

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    Right on Tinsley1, appreciate the direct feedback and reply. I'm definitely leaning towards agreeing with you - I've never really even ridden any beefier bike than the 95, and would assume it was plenty of bike for the majority of my riding. I'm thinking the trail tune would be the call. Definitely looking forward to riding the new Fox stuff, heard great things and wasn't super impressed with the '13 Float.

    Anyone been on any recent generation Talas or have an idea what the weight penalty is? (sorry for minor thread hijack, i know this isn't 5.5c talk)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravityridesitall View Post
    Right on Tinsley1, appreciate the direct feedback and reply. I'm definitely leaning towards agreeing with you - I've never really even ridden any beefier bike than the 95, and would assume it was plenty of bike for the majority of my riding. I'm thinking the trail tune would be the call. Definitely looking forward to riding the new Fox stuff, heard great things and wasn't super impressed with the '13 Float.

    Anyone been on any recent generation Talas or have an idea what the weight penalty is? (sorry for minor thread hijack, i know this isn't 5.5c talk)
    I obviously can't speak to the 5.5c but recently went from a 95c to a 4.5c and can offer some observations. I ride steep, rocky trails and am concerned about climbing as much as descending. The 4.5c does both better than my 95c. I have the trail tune and am using all of the suspension but it never feels like I'm bottoming out or need more. However, I'm also not going off 4' drops at 25mph either.

    For me, the additional 1" of travel is not worth the extra 2lbs, but that is based on how I ride. I would guess, that just like the 4.5c is a better descender than the 95c with 0.5" less travel, the 5.5c will likewise be a better climber even with the added 0.5".

    Good luck, it is a fun decision to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    hillharman is a good dude, he's not trying to be difficult. I get his point, but Yeti's have always demanded a premium... Justifiably or not.
    I see it as hillharman just having a misunderstanding that went a bit far. He read how people more vividly expressed how a ride on a Yeti feels to them, to show how excited they are to get another option with a similar "soul" (soul that makes the rider feel more like a racer). He then seemed to have revised it something along the lines of "Yeti makes bikes for racers" and linked it to other parts of the discussion, like the "$3499 is too expensive" argument, then thinking that the racer soul comments were rebuttals to the too expensive argument. The guys who made the comments about how recent Yetis ride probably weren't even wanting to argue about price, maybe accepting it as what it is. Shows how a simple logical fallacy that isn't dropped just derails discussions. That all said, back to the point hillharman was trying to make, ignoring his kool-aid comment that pissed people off, I do think there's room for a bike like the Mojo 3 in the Yeti line-up, and the SB5c could use a refresher.

    Also, amusing how others are trolling (with no malice), to keep it going... *looks at mlxjohn*

    BTW, is there any discussion on the Yeti branded hydration system, seeing as how not having a bottle mount in the usual spot is point of criticism? First time I've seen it, lying there in plain sight in the pic above. Also, thanks for the pics. I was kind of wondering if they basically revived the SB95a silver color, maybe darker due to the carbon's black base. Also, cue internet exploding if a 29er wins at EWS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    hillharman is a good dude, he's not trying to be difficult. I get his point, but Yeti's have always demanded a premium... Justifiably or not.



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    Me and hillharman are all good. I am just happy to be apart of a forum of enthusiasts that have good information and opinions which can help me learn and along the way build knowledge. I look forward to some 5.5c demo and ride reports along with more pictures as they become available. I also am interested in the new Giro Helmet that has the detachable chin guard. I know it's not a true replacement for a purpose built full face but for my riding it will fit my need.
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    have you looked at the bell super 2r helmet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB-Photo View Post
    have you looked at the bell super 2r helmet?
    Yes, I have worn the bell with the chin bar but I'm hoping for a helmet that will have better ventilation for the warm climate we have in the southwest year round. I also understand that all full face helmets will be warmer by nature but anything additional helps keep the temps down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EXW View Post
    I obviously can't speak to the 5.5c but recently went from a 95c to a 4.5c and can offer some observations. I ride steep, rocky trails and am concerned about climbing as much as descending. The 4.5c does both better than my 95c. I have the trail tune and am using all of the suspension but it never feels like I'm bottoming out or need more. However, I'm also not going off 4' drops at 25mph either.

    For me, the additional 1" of travel is not worth the extra 2lbs, but that is based on how I ride. I would guess, that just like the 4.5c is a better descender than the 95c with 0.5" less travel, the 5.5c will likewise be a better climber even with the added 0.5".

    Good luck, it is a fun decision to make.
    As a previous '95c owner this is really good to know, thanks

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    Now that my "new yeti bike" excitement has settled. Since I own a nice 6c if I do a second Yeti, I think I would do a 4.5c vs a 5.5c. 5.5c is just to redundant to my 6c imho, and the shorter travel 4.5c would be a nice XC/trail bike. I could probably pick up a clean used 4.5c from someone who is going to a 5.5c...hint hint

    Size XL please lol

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    Anyone have an idea on when Yeti will start including some of the newly release components (Eagle, 2017 fox, etc)? How fast does Yeti usually adopt new releases?

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    Indeed! I'm wondering if Colin is eyeing this bike off. I know I'm interested but that frame price is pretty expensive especially when you're in Australia (5k plus &#128553.

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    I'm starting to consider this as my next bike. My current go to ride is a Nomad 3 and it's great and climbs well but is sometimes a bit much and I'd like something that pedals a bit better for here on the front range of CO. Usual ride for me is to climb 2,000 ft and then have a commensurate descent. I'd also like a bike that reacts with a bit more snap when sprinting out of corners on descents.

    The 5.5c obviously has a lot of overlap with a Nomad however I would sell the Nomad if it just doesn't get ridden or keep it as more of a park, nasty descent, shuttle bike.

    I had been considering 29ers that were more in the realm of 120-140mm rear travel with modern geometry, ala 4.5c, Jeffsy (maybe), Evil Following, Trek Fuel EX but the 5.5c has me really excited. I need to demo a 4.5C and obviously a 5.5C and decide before making any rash decisions. Yesterday I was ready to just plunk the CC down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slider_phil View Post
    Indeed! I'm wondering if Colin is eyeing this bike off. I know I'm interested but that frame price is pretty expensive especially when you're in Australia (5k plus &#128553.
    I'm sitting this one out. Of the SB bikes, the 4.5c is more of a draw to me to be honest. The Riot was overkill for most of my trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I'm sitting this one out. Of the SB bikes, the 4.5c is more of a draw to me to be honest. The Riot was overkill for most of my trails.
    I'm honestly surprised you don't have a 4.5c.

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    I nearly ordered one when they where released but I really really wanted a bottle holder in the front triangle for my local rides so I held off. In the mean time I've been getting used to using a bottle under the down tube on my Riot and it's OK as long as it's not wet out.

    The I'd say the 4.5 would be perfect for 70% of my riding but I love being able to monster truck things with my Riot when I head to the rocky Alpine regions here which I think the 4.5 would feel a little under gunned. Might just have to hold out a bit longer I think. The Hightower interests me but I don't think it does anything better than my Riot except weigh a bit less.

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    Yes, the bottle cage placement kills me. I like to ride without a pack 95% of the time and don't have a huge desire to start riding with a pack or drinking a bunch of grit. I start to fantasize about creating a custom bottle mount under the shock. Sure looks like there would be room on a large or XL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crit Rat View Post
    Yes, the bottle cage placement kills me. I like to ride without a pack 95% of the time and don't have a huge desire to start riding with a pack or drinking a bunch of grit. I start to fantasize about creating a custom bottle mount under the shock. Sure looks like there would be room on a large or XL.
    I've owned a SB95 for 3 years and ride often with a bottle on the cage for local rides. Sure it gets a bit dirty, but nothing a quick swipe with my glove can't take care of. Never been an issue for me. :shrug

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    Quote Originally Posted by PricklyPete View Post
    I've owned a SB95 for 3 years and ride often with a bottle on the cage for local rides. Sure it gets a bit dirty, but nothing a quick swipe with my glove can't take care of. Never been an issue for me. :shrug
    Apparently you do not ride where there are cows, horses, or other poo-factories. Around here (CO) one of the surest ways to get giardia is to get even the tiniest smear of cowsh!t into your body. Other than directly splattering it into your face, drinking it in from the nozzle of a dirty bottle is the most likely way to get giardia from poo.

    As far as I'm concerned, the under downtube bottle cage bolts are for a pump. It's a ridiculously awkward reach for a bottle while riding, and huge increase in risk of picking up a nasty microbe.

    YMMV. If you are fine with it, it's fine. I still have a few bikes to choose from that have bottle cages, and those are the bikes I'm (currently) willing to consider.
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    Currently on an Evil Following, and have narrowed my next bike to either the 4.5c or the 5.5c.. But I'm pretty torn on which one to choose.

    Im leaning toward going with the 5.5, with the idea of lowering the Fox 36 to 150mm for a slightly better climbing position.

    Is this a bad idea? Has anyone done this with a SB6c?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Apparently you do not ride where there are cows, horses, or other poo-factories. Around here (CO) one of the surest ways to get giardia is to get even the tiniest smear of cowsh!t into your body. Other than directly splattering it into your face, drinking it in from the nozzle of a dirty bottle is the most likely way to get giardia from poo.

    As far as I'm concerned, the under downtube bottle cage bolts are for a pump. It's a ridiculously awkward reach for a bottle while riding, and huge increase in risk of picking up a nasty microbe.

    YMMV. If you are fine with it, it's fine. I still have a few bikes to choose from that have bottle cages, and those are the bikes I'm (currently) willing to consider.
    One bottle is never enough for me, unless I'm on a short ride, so I wear my pack 99% of the time and bring one bottle in the cage filled with electrolytes. After my first ride on my 4.5, I realized I could never drink from the spout, unless I like dirt, so I tape it off. I just stop and unscrew the cap and drink that way. Problem solved and no cow poop water. A lot of other great things about this bike out way the bottle location and I would have been a fool to allow that to be the deciding factor in buying this bike. Then again I don't mind stopping after a grueling climb and taking a drink from my bottle, but that's me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicane32 View Post
    One bottle is never enough for me, unless I'm on a short ride, so I wear my pack 99% of the time and bring one bottle in the cage filled with electrolytes. After my first ride on my 4.5, I realized I could never drink from the spout, unless I like dirt, so I tape it off. I just stop and unscrew the cap and drink that way. Problem solved and no cow poop water. A lot of other great things about this bike out way the bottle location and I would have been a fool to allow that to be the deciding factor in buying this bike. Then again I don't mind stopping after a grueling climb and taking a drink from my bottle, but that's me.
    Your system sounds fine for your needs. That's great. I would say be careful if it's wet enough that your bottle gets really muddy soaked and the schmutz gets up into the bottle cap threads. Just takes a tiny little bit of the wrong thing...

    I also wear a pack if it's more than about 90 minutes. I ride with Tailwind, and my bottle is what I drink out of 99% of the time. I keep fresh water in the pack. When my bottle runs out, I refill it out of my pack (siphon action, just dangle the hose and pinch the bite valve with thumb and forefinger). Then add the right amount of powder and I'm off. I can refill a bottle and mix Tailwind in about 1 minute of stopped time (keep my powder in a toptube bag).

    I can do 6-9 hours on a 100 oz bladder, starting with a full bottle of TW (126 oz). Refill the pack with plain water, and I've got another 5-7. It's my system, developed after about 12 years of doing endurance with a variety of calorie and electrolyte sources. Only time I drink plain water is if I'm feeling behind on hydration. Which hasn't happened to me in a couple years. But it's always good to have plain water with you. I have mixed my TW into the bladder, and it works, but I always feel a little exposed because if I need plain water I'll have to find it.

    When the subject of bottle cages comes up I feel compelled to share this. I'm not an EndurBro. I'm an endurance Fred. I've been riding bikes for a long ways since I completed my first (pavement) century ride in 1974 as a 10-year-old. If you are really only climbing so that you can descend, and 3 hours is "a long ride" for you, sure. Do whatever. Don't need a bottle, then you don't need a bottle cage. Don't need a wide gear range, don't need a front derailleur. That's great. The whole industry seems to agree with you.

    But some of us don't want bikes without options for derailleurs or safe and accessible water bottle cages. I ride an ASRc. It's a Yeti that currently allows for those options. Personally, a 4.5 or a 5.5 would just be for farting around. I wouldn't attempt any kind of big endurance effort with one. Big endurance rides are why I'm willing to pay over $5K for a bike.

    But that's just me. Pretty sure I'm not at the center of Yeti's customer base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobsaget View Post
    Currently on an Evil Following, and have narrowed my next bike to either the 4.5c or the 5.5c.. But I'm pretty torn on which one to choose.

    Im leaning toward going with the 5.5, with the idea of lowering the Fox 36 to 150mm for a slightly better climbing position.

    Is this a bad idea? Has anyone done this with a SB6c?
    The 5.5c will be a nice compliment to your following but I'd keep that fork at 160mm. I doubt you'll notice much benefit reducing your travel by 10mm and this bike is made to crush the Gnar and still climb like a goat if it's anything like the 6c with the bigger wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PricklyPete View Post
    I've owned a SB95 for 3 years and ride often with a bottle on the cage for local rides. Sure it gets a bit dirty, but nothing a quick swipe with my glove can't take care of. Never been an issue for me. :shrug
    C'mon guy's don't you know that the fanny pack hydration system is the new cool thing...Lmao. I'm willing to bet that Yeti would've always tried to stick with the past theme of having water bottle access inside the triangle on all there bikes but with the advent of switch Infinity it doesn't allow for this. I'm sure they have there reasons and some people just buy a different bike because they are not cool with that decision which is okay.
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    Proof is that the ASR-c and the ARC are XC bikes and they must have bottle access because that is a requirement for the specific needs of XC riders.
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    The 5.5c will be a nice compliment to your following but I'd keep that fork at 160mm. I doubt you'll notice much benefit reducing your travel by 10mm and this bike is made to crush the Gnar and still climb like a goat if it's anything like the 6c with the bigger wheels.
    Thanks! I dropped my 34 on my following from 140->120 yesterday and I noticed a dramatic difference. But maybe the steeper seat tube angles on the Yeti bikes are a bit better on the climbs than the following.

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    I sold my Following and bought a 4.5c. I had my Fox 34 @140mm on the Following and didn't care for it. Dropped it to 130mm for my last ride and didn't notice much difference in my dissatisfaction for the Following as far as it being ideal to what I wanted. The bike is super fun though but the 4.5c is 140mm Front and 114mm rear and feels just right with no need to lower your travel unless you want to unslacken a bit for a more XCish feel.

    I know you'll be blown away by the 5.5c when you ride it because all 3 SI Yeti's before the 5.5c nail the important stuff you want in an all around sled. I think you'll have enough seperation to justify owning both your Following and a 5.5c for the fact the the Evil is 120-120 and the 5.5c will handle your big mountain chores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobsaget View Post
    Currently on an Evil Following, and have narrowed my next bike to either the 4.5c or the 5.5c.. But I'm pretty torn on which one to choose.

    Im leaning toward going with the 5.5, with the idea of lowering the Fox 36 to 150mm for a slightly better climbing position.

    Is this a bad idea? Has anyone done this with a SB6c?
    I'm not sure if it is as easy to adjust travel as it is with the Pike, but it wouldn't hurt to try it at 150 if you wanted.

    With my 95c, I've gone from 120, to 140 and then to 150 just to try it, and that 10mm more was too much. It made a massive difference when climbing steep stuff.

    But, the 95 wasn't designed for 150, and the 5.5 IS designed for 160. So you may get it and just feel good with the 160 anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnybex View Post
    C'mon guy's don't you know that the fanny pack hydration system is the new cool thing...Lmao. I'm willing to bet that Yeti would've always tried to stick with the past theme of having water bottle access inside the triangle on all there bikes but with the advent of switch Infinity it doesn't allow for this. I'm sure they have there reasons and some people just buy a different bike because they are not cool with that decision which is okay.
    Dude don't knock the "lumbar" pack. I just bought a new one from Camelbak called the Palos. It may be a bad move but riding in 90+ in the summer has to be better with the back free for airflow, and less restricted movement. For moto we wear them all the time and no one cares...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KGAmoto View Post
    Dude don't knock the "lumbar" pack. I just bought a new one from Camelbak called the Palos. It may be a bad move but riding in 90+ in the summer has to be better with the back free for airflow, and less restricted movement. For moto we wear them all the time and no one cares...
    I already own one Lol, I was just poking fun because so many people make fun of the idea but when it's 100 degrees in the Vegas heat I prefer to not be completely soaking in my own back sweat.
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    Maybe I need to try a fanny pack hydration pack. I have a nice Osprey pack that I wear on long rides and it is great but I just don't like all that weight on my shoulders. It affects bike handling some in my opinion and all the heat that it holds (even with the airstream mesh back) is noticeable on long climbs.

    I would probably still buy a 5.5C if it blew me out of the water with both it's descending and climbing prowess even with unideal bottle cage location but it is a minus and significant one in my book. Companies should need to know this! I give YT credit for doing a custom designed cage and bottle for the Jeffsy down low in the main triangle.

    Anyway, I eagerly await a demo to check this bike out. I need to ride one before plunking any money down though. My wife has a ASRC, I have an ARC Carbon and ARCX and love Yetis, they have a certain something not present in every bike and love how the SI system reacts to pedal inputs.

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    ^^^ Don't let the lack of a water bottle mount inside the front triangle be the reason you look elsewhere. I think the Lumbar hydration pack is another solution if your willing to try to adapt. I'm used to the waist style packs from trail running and they are fantastic for that need so give it a shot and demo the 5.5c wearing one.
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    I will definitely be demoing one. I race for a team sponsored by a shop who is a Yeti dealer so as soon as they get one or have their demo day. Heck, Yeti headquarters is 20 minutes from my house so I might try and demo from them one day.

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    Regarding bottle cage placement, I asked the design team about this and their sound-bite response was something to the effect of "you can either have a bottle inside the front triangle or a bike that rides awesome... pick one."
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    Quote Originally Posted by John P. View Post
    Guys-

    Regarding bottle cage placement, I asked the design team about this and their sound-bite response was something to the effect of "you can either have a bottle inside the front triangle or a bike that rides awesome... pick one."
    Thank goodness the design team chose the awesome ride idea as opposed to water bottle placement because from many past posts and threads many people won't adapt and choose to go with another manufacturer.......Good on them, enjoy a bike thats rides good and you can sip away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crit Rat View Post

    I would probably still buy a 5.5C if it blew me out of the water with both it's descending and climbing prowess even with unideal bottle cage location but it is a minus and significant one in my book. Companies should need to know this! I give YT credit for doing a custom designed cage and bottle for the Jeffsy down low in the main triangle.
    There are options: the Ripley LS and Hightower have room for a bottle cages and qualify for "awesome" the best of both. Good to demo these as well as the Yeti, if indeed the bottle is important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John P. View Post
    Guys-

    Regarding bottle cage placement, I asked the design team about this and their sound-bite response was something to the effect of "you can either have a bottle inside the front triangle or a bike that rides awesome... pick one."
    So... they're saying the ASRc doesn't ride awesome?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Apparently you do not ride where there are cows, horses, or other poo-factories. Around here (CO) one of the surest ways to get giardia is to get even the tiniest smear of cowsh!t into your body. Other than directly splattering it into your face, drinking it in from the nozzle of a dirty bottle is the most likely way to get giardia from poo.

    As far as I'm concerned, the under downtube bottle cage bolts are for a pump. It's a ridiculously awkward reach for a bottle while riding, and huge increase in risk of picking up a nasty microbe.

    YMMV. If you are fine with it, it's fine. I still have a few bikes to choose from that have bottle cages, and those are the bikes I'm (currently) willing to consider.
    I'm in CO, and still haven't had a problem, but it could just be luck.

    To clarify, I only use a bottle for short local rides (like after work... ~12 miles or less). Anything longer (or in high heat) requires a pack and I drink straight from there.

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    Not really looking forward to another 3 pages of water bottle mount discussion (see: SB4.5 thread)...unless its framed as "this is probably why they did what they did" instead of "this is what they should have done cause it suits me". I'm all about the former cause that's how I've learned a bunch of cool stuff about bikes in general...but I also know its less fun than the latter and I should quit whining and contribute:

    If you look at the travel on yeti's website, the shock remains in the same position for the first half of the travel and then starts tilting down along with the switch mechanism. This means the leverage ratio is probably constant for the first half and rapidly ramps down for the second half of travel. Air springs are progressive (I hear?) so that combination amplifies the effect. I bet this bike probably does a good job of handling big hits well. The bonus side effect is, running a coil spring (linear) you'll still get a big ramp up towards the end of travel. Moving the shock's front pivot to accommodate a water bottle would probably screw up this awesome (maybe?) feature or result in unfavorable standover, etc. Was it all worth it? Won't know until we get a bunch of graphs to overlay...or more appropriately, ride the 5.5/Hightower/Following/Jeffsy/Enduro back to back!

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    I give YT credit for doing a custom designed cage and bottle for the Jeffsy down low in the main triangle.
    That little half liter bottle will surely make all the difference in the world haha.

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    He should loose some more races in the first turn from time to time, then playing around on the rest of the track - just awesome to watch... :-)


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    Quote Originally Posted by John P. View Post
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    Regarding bottle cage placement, I asked the design team about this and their sound-bite response was something to the effect of "you can either have a bottle inside the front triangle or a bike that rides awesome... pick one."
    Appreciate the input.

    I don't need any more water bottle discussion either. It's a big bonus to some to be able to run a bottle and Yeti has made that possible. I'll take one on the downtube vs. nothing all. That'll let me do shorter rides without having to have a pack.

    Because let's face it, Strava times are more important than hydration

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    So... they're saying the ASRc doesn't ride awesome?
    Not as awesome as the Switch Infinity bikes, no.

    Tom, I hope you're just being combative and don't really miss the flaw in your apparent logic, but out of an abundance of caution, allow me to explain:
    The ASRc was designed to be the ultimate XC/Marathon bike. When designing that, we slightly favored weight over some suspension characteristics, and with that in mind, we went with a Modified Single Pivot. At the time the ASRc was designed, we could build that lighter than any similar SI bike. For longer travel applications, the SI system kills an MSP in almost every regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John P. View Post
    Not as awesome as the Switch Infinity bikes, no.

    Tom, I hope you're just being combative and don't really miss the flaw in your apparent logic, but out of an abundance of caution, allow me to explain:
    The ASRc was designed to be the ultimate XC/Marathon bike. When designing that, we slightly favored weight over some suspension characteristics, and with that in mind, we went with a Modified Single Pivot. At the time the ASRc was designed, we could build that lighter than any similar SI bike. For longer travel applications, the SI system kills an MSP in almost every regard.

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    I'm not trying to be combative John, and I appreciate you responding to this.

    I'm 52, and I am way more XC/Marathon than Enduro. I used to ride bikes faster and take chances. But in the last 4 years or so I've gotten ER hurt too damn many times. I've been focusing on being fit enough to ride a dirt hundy or 24 solo and staying healthy and out of the ER.

    I'm really probably not your target demographic going forward, and I get that. I'm sure that SI is a better design for longer travel than the archaic MSP. No doubt.

    I'm bikey to the core. I have kept a list of all the bikes I've owned, and the list is 35 bikes long. I've been mountain biking since 1988, but I was riding a little 20" Huffy Dragster in dirt with my friends in 1971.

    I see the industry making some conclusions with which I disagree. The 1x drivetrain is not perfect for everyone and front derailleurs are not evil. Water bottle cages are handy. I'd like for some of the people in the industry to hear these things, even if it makes no difference. Not trying to be combative, but also not willing to just sit here being politely quiet. My opinion matters, even if it only matters to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    I see the industry making some conclusions with which I disagree. The 1x drivetrain is not perfect for everyone and front derailleurs are not evil. Water bottle cages are handy. I'd like for some of the people in the industry to hear these things, even if it makes no difference. Not trying to be combative, but also not willing to just sit here being politely quiet. My opinion matters, even if it only matters to me.
    Totally agree Tom. Thank you for speaking up.

    These bikes ride so well but I also need to wait for a 2x solution.

    Wow though, that sound bite sure pisses me off:

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    Regarding bottle cage placement, I asked the design team about this and their sound-bite response was something to the effect of "you can either have a bottle inside the front triangle or a bike that rides awesome... pick one."
    Sounds like an excess of ego and lack of priority to me.

    I think the sb6's fd mount is extremely clever and well done. Hard to believe the same minds couldn't use a similar solution for the sb5.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eri View Post
    Totally agree Tom. Thank you for speaking up.

    These bikes ride so well but I also need to wait for a 2x solution.

    Wow though, that sound bite sure pisses me off:



    Sounds like an excess of ego and lack of priority to me.

    I think the sb6's fd mount is extremely clever and well done. Hard to believe the same minds couldn't use a similar solution for the sb5.5.
    It would be nice to stay on topic. The discussion in this thread is about the bike thats already been designed and how it rides and performs as well as custom build info. I imagine we will get plenty of demo ride info in the next 10 days because of the Fruita fat tire festival.

    Please make your own thread about lack of features and egotistical disdain in your own discussion. It obvious this bike is not meant for all people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnybex View Post
    It would be nice to stay on topic...
    You must be new to the internet.
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    You must be new to the internet.
    Thanks for the clever response and contribution to the 5.5c discussion.

    What are most people going to aim for with build specs ? I think I'm going to aim to keep the bike right around 28 pounds. Wheel choice will be the key. Not sure if I want to go 27-30 id carbon or 35-40 id. I have a set of Nox Teocallis which should come in at 1550 grams w/ Hope pro 4's but maybe Farlow / LB 38's are better suited. I'm 185 kitted out so I know I can get by with something more light weight.
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    Remarkably, for riders that wind up on both gearing extremes a fair bit of the time (I'm a big guy with cardio limitations, which means I'm painfully slow uphill, but by the same laws of physics I'm quick enough downhill to spin out a 38/11 setup), even the massive ranges (489% of the e13 9-44T and the new 10-50T models at 500%) possible for the most wide range 1x systems is still less than a 2x setup by a gear to a gear and a half. If I can build a light enough bike on a frame with good enough pedaling behavior, I might be able to give that up on the bottom end in order to keep my tallest gear.

    I run without a water bottle on my FS setup, but I can see how the shorter travel variants really could benefit from those. There's always an engineering tradeoff to be found, using the stiffer downtube as the front shock mount is really very logical on the burlier SB-N-c line of bikes, and I suspect they really did make the correct call for how the SB5/SB5.5/SB6 bikes are intended to be used. It's likely still possible to do an upper mount (think zip ties over inner tube with bottle cage on the top tube just in front of the seatpost) that works, so it's not impossible to mount a usable water bottle for longer rides. This does basically herd buyers towards a pack of some sort (backpack or lumbar rig).

    The actual issue isn't whether or not the Switch Infinity awesomeness is worth the omission of a bottle cage - it's if the obvious rivals in this travel/price regime (Hightower, Remedy, Stumpjumper, E29, and in a half-ass way Jeffsy) which DO have provisions for a water bottle in the front triangle shake out and compare once built into complete bikes. It's still going to come down to a value proposition for 90% of buyers, and that feature likely has an approximate $$$ value in the minds of people cross-shopping bikes. Boost also enters that discussion (though the above examples are predominately 148mm rear ends).

    Bex - without a lot of firsthand feedback from third parties that aren't in media, and the first bits of actual owner feedback and impressions, all that's possible is speculation based on what's there on paper. Having only ridden an SB4.5c, I'm still quite interested in how the 5.5c behaves (and have been ever since the SB5c came out and inferring that a burly heir to the SB95c was a question of when not if), and extrapolating a lot of that behavior towards what I know some of the parts will do (Fox36 160mm is a beastly fork, DHF tires out front signal the rest of that intent - the 30mm DT Swiss rims on the X01 build look brilliant). Still, that's all I can do from the internet until a demo day, or my local Yeti retailer gets one in.
    To further complicate it, I'm a rider who steps over the limit kinda frequently, so how it handles crashes, awkward landings, and the general oafishness that characterizes my riding style is a big question, and not one that can be answered in one-day rides and quick pressers from 170lb guys who write for a living on a subject they happen to be passionate about. Hell, I expect to get better information watching some of Nate Hills chase/follow camera work over chunky trails with somebody on a 5.5c than the sum total of bike industry magazine reviews. This kinda excludes me from being an early adopter on some stuff.
    The upside - I'll probably be able to wait it out until an SB5.5c Enduro rolls out - I don't need the full bling parts kit.
    So, for those of us who are actively cross-shopping bikes, all of these are considerations. In Bex's case, it may not be applicable (seeing as he's one short of adopting the full family), but if there's a discussion then obviously decisions have yet to be made.

    [ETA] - Go Farlows. They're still quite light, you'll want that rough width, and to be honest saving weight on the rim is a bit pointless in this case - you'll want to run beefy tires on there - Minion SS/DHR2 3C at the absolute lightest, and supporting them with a 29-33mm ID rim is a solid call. I'm sure Teocalli's or Asym32/28's would work, but a 1650g wheel build with a bit more lateral rigidity strikes me as a preferred direction on a bike that can be ridden as hard as the 5.5c will want to be.

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    ^^^ Yeah tehllama, I bought those Teos for a good price and they would be better served for my 4.5

    Have you had a chance to use the Maxxis Aggressor ? I can't seem to find it in 29'er but want to try that tire on my 4.5

    I was thinking of heading to Fruita next week to demo the 5.5 but It will be a popular choice and I'm not sure I wanna drive 500 miles and get dissapointed if I can't get one reserved.
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    I'm not trying to be combative John, and I appreciate you responding to this.

    I'm 52, and I am way more XC/Marathon than Enduro. I used to ride bikes faster and take chances. But in the last 4 years or so I've gotten ER hurt too damn many times. I've been focusing on being fit enough to ride a dirt hundy or 24 solo and staying healthy and out of the ER.

    I'm really probably not your target demographic going forward, and I get that. I'm sure that SI is a better design for longer travel than the archaic MSP. No doubt.

    I'm bikey to the core. I have kept a list of all the bikes I've owned, and the list is 35 bikes long. I've been mountain biking since 1988, but I was riding a little 20" Huffy Dragster in dirt with my friends in 1971.

    I see the industry making some conclusions with which I disagree. The 1x drivetrain is not perfect for everyone and front derailleurs are not evil. Water bottle cages are handy. I'd like for some of the people in the industry to hear these things, even if it makes no difference. Not trying to be combative, but also not willing to just sit here being politely quiet. My opinion matters, even if it only matters to me.
    I'm 42 and still climbing my peak of speed and skill vs keeping it in check,...it's a fun line to find. But I agree with all of these sentiments. I'll just be keeping my SB95c for the 3x and longer real "epic" rides while I try out the new Eagle 12sp and SB5.5 to see if it'll work like my SB95c did but have a stiffer swing arm as that's my only real complaint with the SB95c, the downhill chattering rear end behavior was minimized with the Cane Creek but also meant running higher than desirable sag for true down hill runs mixed in with XC/AM rides.
    They don't design these things for clydes!

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    Remarkably, for riders that wind up on both gearing extremes a fair bit of the time (I'm a big guy with cardio limitations, which means I'm painfully slow uphill, but by the same laws of physics I'm quick enough downhill to spin out a 38/11 setup), even the massive ranges (489% of the e13 9-44T and the new 10-50T models at 500%) possible for the most wide range 1x systems is still less than a 2x setup by a gear to a gear and a half. If I can build a light enough bike on a frame with good enough pedaling behavior, I might be able to give that up on the bottom end in order to keep my tallest gear.

    I run without a water bottle on my FS setup, but I can see how the shorter travel variants really could benefit from those. There's always an engineering tradeoff to be found, using the stiffer downtube as the front shock mount is really very logical on the burlier SB-N-c line of bikes, and I suspect they really did make the correct call for how the SB5/SB5.5/SB6 bikes are intended to be used. It's likely still possible to do an upper mount (think zip ties over inner tube with bottle cage on the top tube just in front of the seatpost) that works, so it's not impossible to mount a usable water bottle for longer rides. This does basically herd buyers towards a pack of some sort (backpack or lumbar rig).

    The actual issue isn't whether or not the Switch Infinity awesomeness is worth the omission of a bottle cage - it's if the obvious rivals in this travel/price regime (Hightower, Remedy, Stumpjumper, E29, and in a half-ass way Jeffsy) which DO have provisions for a water bottle in the front triangle shake out and compare once built into complete bikes. It's still going to come down to a value proposition for 90% of buyers, and that feature likely has an approximate $$$ value in the minds of people cross-shopping bikes. Boost also enters that discussion (though the above examples are predominately 148mm rear ends).

    Bex - without a lot of firsthand feedback from third parties that aren't in media, and the first bits of actual owner feedback and impressions, all that's possible is speculation based on what's there on paper. Having only ridden an SB4.5c, I'm still quite interested in how the 5.5c behaves (and have been ever since the SB5c came out and inferring that a burly heir to the SB95c was a question of when not if), and extrapolating a lot of that behavior towards what I know some of the parts will do (Fox36 160mm is a beastly fork, DHF tires out front signal the rest of that intent - the 30mm DT Swiss rims on the X01 build look brilliant). Still, that's all I can do from the internet until a demo day, or my local Yeti retailer gets one in.
    To further complicate it, I'm a rider who steps over the limit kinda frequently, so how it handles crashes, awkward landings, and the general oafishness that characterizes my riding style is a big question, and not one that can be answered in one-day rides and quick pressers from 170lb guys who write for a living on a subject they happen to be passionate about. Hell, I expect to get better information watching some of Nate Hills chase/follow camera work over chunky trails with somebody on a 5.5c than the sum total of bike industry magazine reviews. This kinda excludes me from being an early adopter on some stuff.
    The upside - I'll probably be able to wait it out until an SB5.5c Enduro rolls out - I don't need the full bling parts kit.
    So, for those of us who are actively cross-shopping bikes, all of these are considerations. In Bex's case, it may not be applicable (seeing as he's one short of adopting the full family), but if there's a discussion then obviously decisions have yet to be made.

    [ETA] - Go Farlows. They're still quite light, you'll want that rough width, and to be honest saving weight on the rim is a bit pointless in this case - you'll want to run beefy tires on there - Minion SS/DHR2 3C at the absolute lightest, and supporting them with a 29-33mm ID rim is a solid call. I'm sure Teocalli's or Asym32/28's would work, but a 1650g wheel build with a bit more lateral rigidity strikes me as a preferred direction on a bike that can be ridden as hard as the 5.5c will want to be.
    Dude, are you my long lost brother? lol I'm also in clyde territory, but I prefer a 3x myself and most of my local PR's are on my SB95c due to the 3x as much as the Switch even though my ASRc is a lightning bolt, the 1x is constantly pissing me off as I over shift or under shift to make a quick burst climb or rolling a crest that turns into a short down hill that a need a 3x big ring for. A single shift from the front is better than double dumping the 1x11 XTR to get same cadence and gets power down quicker,....now add this 1-2 second gain in over 20 miles of trail and 100 opportunities to make a quick big gear jump and stay on the power.
    They don't design these things for clydes!

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    So... they're saying the ASRc doesn't ride awesome?
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    This discussion is amazing.

    The next time someone asks "Why doesn't [insert brand here] come on these boards and give us some inside info on their bikes?", I'll refer them to this thread.

    No kidding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John P. View Post
    This discussion is amazing.

    The next time someone asks "Why doesn't [insert brand here] come on these boards and give us some inside info on their bikes?", I'll refer them to this thread.

    John P, thank you for all the info you give as well as your honest and humble opinion on topics and I do hope you continue to interject when you feel inclined. It's unfortunate that many people can't seen to have enough common sense to contribute in a positive manner and just believe that it's there given right to crap on any comment at any time.

    Yes we are only discussing bikes and that should always be a reason to be stoked and happy even when there are things we don't agree with or like about certain brand or idea and reasoning behind design elements so lets band together and make this 5.5c discussion thread all about the bike we have and what the future will bring when it hits the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post

    I see the industry making some conclusions with which I disagree. The 1x drivetrain is not perfect for everyone and front derailleurs are not evil. Water bottle cages are handy. I'd like for some of the people in the industry to hear these things, even if it makes no difference. Not trying to be combative, but also not willing to just sit here being politely quiet. My opinion matters, even if it only matters to me.
    I would agree with you on this one. I remember Francis said many of these new carbon bikes are purposely done this way because they all knew about the SRAM eagle 12. I don't know if this was the mindset with the 5.5. I know Santa Cruz has said they will not make the new HIghtower compatible with a front der.

    I have grown to love my SRAM 1X11 as it has decreased some weight but forced me into shape and now I feel much better on it. Some climbs I could make use of the 12/50 in the back. Just very expensive stuff though man. The industry is making changes about as fast as the computer industry, it's nuts.

    We had 2X11, then 1X11, now 1X12, then 12x142... But wait we're changing, it's called Boost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crippler View Post
    I've got an XL Turq on order with the X01 kit, should be in store first / second week of May.

    Can. Not. Wait.

    All actually part of a warranty claim that Yeti have been amazing with and super fast with a response.
    Giddyup! Very jealous here. Down in Fruita/Moab now and while I still love my SB95, I can only imagine how awesome the SB55 will be on this terrain.

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    Have mine on order. Interested to see how it performs VS my old Evil Wreckoning. I have been curious about yeti bikes for some time and this one finally got me to bite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rom3n View Post
    Have mine on order. Interested to see how it performs VS my old Evil Wreckoning. I have been curious about yeti bikes for some time and this one finally got me to bite.
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    the wreckoning haha. i'm sure you will dig the sb5.5

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    You laugh because?????

    Or is it just because B&B is your alternate ID?

    I'm curious as I think the Delta suspension design Evil uses is pretty sweet and they seem to be improving quality quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crit Rat View Post
    You laugh because?????

    Or is it just because B&B is your alternate ID?

    I'm curious as I think the Delta suspension design Evil uses is pretty sweet and they seem to be improving quality quite a bit.
    Improving Quality.....No, not even close. I had a 2016 frame that was a joke with regards to paint and graphics. Suspension wise the Delta is very Bottomless and usable but the pedal platform is not on par with the Ibis DW. I just threw a leg over my buddies new Ripley LS and it destroys the Following in regards to pedal performance and climb capabilities. I'm sure the Wreckoning is a Nice bike and I'll be curious to hear your comparison.
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    I meant to say I will be anxious to hear Rom3n take on his Evil vrs Sb5.5 comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnybex View Post
    Improving Quality.....No, not even close. I had a 2016 frame that was a joke with regards to paint and graphics. Suspension wise the Delta is very Bottomless and usable but the pedal platform is not on par with the Ibis DW. I just threw a leg over my buddies new Ripley LS and it destroys the Following in regards to pedal performance and climb capabilities. I'm sure the Wreckoning is a Nice bike and I'll be curious to hear your comparison.
    well at least they are not breaking all the time now. Reports of the issues with the Undead owners had was frightening.

    I'm interested in the comparison as well.

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    bump compliance on the delta blows. following ramps up hard and that's it. insurgent doesn't even do that. have a look at the wreckoning seat angle. miz well put a single crown on a v10 and call it a trail bike haha. and yeah the evil's look like they are built by fisher price in person.

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    Gotcha. Without having ridden an Evil I feel like a lot of the love they get is for they market their company identity. Definitely you are not the first to say that about the seat angle issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crit Rat View Post
    Gotcha. Without having ridden an Evil I feel like a lot of the love they get is for they market their company identity. Definitely you are not the first to say that about the seat angle issue.
    I liked the Delta suspension on my Following but as noted above, small bump wasn't that great but it was a really fun bike on flowy trails with lots of features to pump. I didn't get along with the seat tube angle and bought a Riot frame to compare against. I've since sold the Following frame and I'm on the Riot, even though it's multiple pounds heavier.

    Looking at getting back into carbon again soon to save some weight as I'm sometimes climbing thousands of feet before I even see a descent some days so some weight saved would be nice. Having XTR/NextSL and carbon everything else and seeing your bike weigh 30lb can be disheartening sometimes but I do forget about it once I've turned downhill and enjoy the long fast descents on a strong stiff frame.

    The 5.5 and 4.5 are on my radar, actually leaning towards the 4.5 due to the local terrain not being too rocky. I certainly hit stuff that feels on the limit of the 140mm Riot but most of the time my local loops are less steep and less littered with rocks and I should really take my own advice and have a bike that suits 90% of my rides and that'd be the 4.5, as much as I'd love to have that silver 5.5 😁

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    slider phil does it have to be a 29r?

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    To be honest probably not. I was thinking 29er again due to already having good gear to swap over but in reality most of the new stuff is boost so the wheels would need at a minimum rebuilding with new hubs. If I was going 650b the Knolly Endorphin 27.5, Ibis Mojo3 and SB5 are on the shortlist, although the Knolly isn't carbon (my wife's on the 26" version and I love the way it rides). Although I reckon I'd be holding out on the Yeti to see if they redo the design of the frame to look more like the new switch infinity frames athletically (shallow I know).

    In terms of 29ers the Ripley LS is on the list too. I'd consider the Pivot but I just can't get over the looks on that frame, and let's be honest you have to love looking at your bike!

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    I understand why this bike is spec'd the way it is...

    but hypothetically speaking, can a 5.5 be ordered with a Standard Trail Tune Fox rear shock like that on the 4.5?

    Also, how difficult is it for the dealer to cut down the Fox 36 from 160mm to 150mm? (My Pike can be swapped in under 30 minutes. Is the Fox that quick?)

    I'm just wondering if this bike can be purchased as a lighter weight 150/140mm trail slayer too?

    I'm not interested in a 4.5; I'd rather put a 150 fork on a 5.5 than a 4.5 (Geo).
    (150mm for is my minimum travel setup up front)
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    changing travel on the 36 is basicaly adding/removing spacers

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpnic View Post
    Also, how difficult is it for the dealer to cut down the Fox 36 from 160mm to 150mm? (My Pike can be swapped in under 30 minutes. Is the Fox that quick?)
    Slightly more involved than a solo air shaft swap, but not by much. Maybe 45 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crit Rat View Post
    Gotcha. Without having ridden an Evil I feel like a lot of the love they get is for they market their company identity. Definitely you are not the first to say that about the seat angle issue.
    The Wreckoning was a great bike for it's intended use. It can be used as a daily when needed if you are on the right type of trails. The bike was really built to go super fast downhill and it did that extremely well. For 80% of what I ride here in Sedona it was a little overkill for a daily as there is a lot of slower punchy, square edge tech climbing before you get your DH payoffs. I would be willing to give up a little bit of the burly DH ability it has for a little less weight and increased agility at slower speeds. If I was to have a second bike for DH days the Wreckoning is in my top few fav's list. My two Evil bikes never had any major issues and the support I got was always top notch so I personally have nothing but good things to say about them.

    I am currently riding a Ibis Mojo3 with 2.8 tires and having a blast with it but I would like to find a 29" that would make a good aggressive daily trail bike as the lil Mojo can get to it's limits often when pushed hard. With the 120 Following not being aggressive enough for me and the 160 Wreckoning being a bit too much I am hoping the 140/160 5.5 will be a good combo for my riding and can climb well when needed. I have also been very curious about the switch infinity system and really want to see how it feels. I just wish it had a threaded BB

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpnic View Post
    I understand why this bike is spec'd the way it is...

    but hypothetically speaking, can a 5.5 be ordered with a Standard Trail Tune Fox rear shock like that on the 4.5?

    Also, how difficult is it for the dealer to cut down the Fox 36 from 160mm to 150mm? (My Pike can be swapped in under 30 minutes. Is the Fox that quick?)

    I'm just wondering if this bike can be purchased as a lighter weight 150/140mm trail slayer too?

    I'm not interested in a 4.5; I'd rather put a 150 fork on a 5.5 than a 4.5 (Geo).
    (150mm for is my minimum travel setup up front)
    Are you keeping your Following or moving it on and thinking about getting the 5.5c instead ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpnic View Post
    I understand why this bike is spec'd the way it is...

    but hypothetically speaking, can a 5.5 be ordered with a Standard Trail Tune Fox rear shock like that on the 4.5?

    Also, how difficult is it for the dealer to cut down the Fox 36 from 160mm to 150mm? (My Pike can be swapped in under 30 minutes. Is the Fox that quick?)

    I'm just wondering if this bike can be purchased as a lighter weight 150/140mm trail slayer too?

    I'm not interested in a 4.5; I'd rather put a 150 fork on a 5.5 than a 4.5 (Geo).
    (150mm for is my minimum travel setup up front)
    I was thinking the same thing about the fork. Bring the head angle up, shorten wheelbase, and drop the bb a bit.

    The 5.5 is too much bike for me at factory spec. But, the 4.5 is probably not enough. And I don't like not having tabs for a bash. Especially with the low bb height on the 4.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnybex View Post
    Are you keeping your Following or moving it on and thinking about getting the 5.5c instead ?
    Hey Skinny,
    Not sure yet, but I'd keep both if I could swing it.

    I like the Following alot (even though I'm between sizes) but the 5.5 is the bike I've been waiting for Yeti to build.
    The EVIL is a really fun trail bike, but I'd love to have something on bigger mountain days.

    I'm trying to guage if the 5.5 could be more versatile than the 4" travel EVIL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpnic View Post
    Hey Skinny,
    Not sure yet, but I'd keep both if I could swing it.

    I like the Following alot (even though I'm between sizes) but the 5.5 is the bike I've been waiting for Yeti to build.
    The EVIL is a really fun trail bike, but I'd love to have something on bigger mountain days.

    I'm trying to guage if the 5.5 could be more versatile than the 4" travel EVIL.
    I have a feeling you think the Evil isn't quite what you wanted and it's time to make up for that choice. I'm telling you without hesitation the 4.5c is a much better trail bike in every aspect except the price but that premium is well worth the extra $$$

    If your only going to get 1 bike the 5.5c will be the crown jewel as I know you want a 29'er. I understand that few people have actually ridden the bike yet but they nailed all 3 other SB SI models. Get it so you never question yourself again.
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    That grey is sick. I'm quite tempted

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    Quote Originally Posted by invol2ver View Post
    That grey is sick. I'm quite tempted
    Haha, you sold your 6c and now that money is burning a hole in your pocket !!!! Demo that 5.5 before you pull the trigger on the Hightower. If I wasn't set on the 5.5 I'd get a Hightower as it's the only other LT 29'er I feel I'd like. I was happy with my Nomad and also thought the 5010 were great bikes. But the 5.5 will be on another level. I'm not sure I'll be worthy of what it can do but I'll try my best.
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    Is every new bike thread on here going to be filled with moaning ageing bikers upset the world has moved on from front derailleurs and water bottles in the decades since they started riding bikes?

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    ^^^Hopefully we are back on topic as I had the same concerns. The fact is we know the bike that is soon available to the public and we know the features that it's equipped with so lets move on from what it lacks and focus on what it brings to the ballgame. I know this weekend is demo heavy in San Jose and Fruita so hopefully we will get some reports back on strengths and weaknesses on the 5.5. I hear bikes should hit the streets starting the second week of May.
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    Yeah we will see. I really want plus and our local Santa Cruz dealer is way cooler. That silver 5.5 is hard to say no to though haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnybex View Post
    I have a feeling you think the Evil isn't quite what you wanted and it's time to make up for that choice. I'm telling you without hesitation the 4.5c is a much better trail bike in every aspect except the price but that premium is well worth the extra $$$

    If your only going to get 1 bike the 5.5c will be the crown jewel as I know you want a 29'er. I understand that few people have actually ridden the bike yet but they nailed all 3 other SB SI models. Get it so you never question yourself again.
    It's not an EVIL vs Yeti thing for me. It's a travel(+geometry) thing. For example...

    I put the Following and the Yeti 4.5 in the same type class and I put the Wreckoning/5.5 in the same class.
    If anything, I just bought the wrong type 29er for how I like to ride. If I had bought the 4.5 instead of the Following, it would be up for sale too. It's a 4" travel vs 6" travel thing.

    The Wreckoning is also a considerationfor a replacement (in addition to the 5.5), but I don't think it's as versatile on paper. EVILs need to be set up a certain way to feel perfect and lowering/raising the fork or swapping rear shocks may affect them more than on the Yeti. (I know first hand because I'm running a 150 on the front of my Following, just like I did my Sb95) If EVILs aren't set up correctly, they feel like crap, get sold, and then bashed as a terrible ride in bike forums.

    Seriously tho, I thought amazing geometry and handling would allow me to ride a 4" bike the same (despite having less travel than my Sb95 @ 150/125), and unfortunetly, its just not the case.
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    I demo'd the 5.5, and came away pretty impressed. I have never owned a Yeti, but demo'd some of their bikes including the 5c and 6c, so take all this for what this is worth (not much). The feel of the bike was quite familiar having ridden other newer SI Yetis. Overall it was a very efficient, extremely solid feeling, and very quiet bike, much like the 5 and 6. I'm 6' 1", rode a large. Fit was good.

    Climbing: I think SI is the real deal - not that it's better than some other designs, just meaning that it's a very good design. The bike pedaled well even with shock wide open. Felt both efficient and plush like a good DW-L; and doesn't get hung up as much on rocks as VPP does. Stack height for me was spot on - and going up some really steep stuff no issues getting over the front; and no front wheel wander at all. Climbing up around tight switchbacks surprisingly easy relative to my expectations based on the numbers. Overall climbing, I'd say comparable to the 6c. Noticeably but not significantly slower than the 5c.

    DH. It's a beast. As noted above, very solid feeling and very quiet. I always feel like 29er wheels amplify travel if that makes sense. So, this bike felt like 160 travel. Fox X2 and 36 suspension helped - new fox stuff is just fantastic. Rear was nice and progressive. Reach was good, easy to move around except the only negative was the demo had a 125 dropper and 150 would have been nice to get the saddle out of the way a bit more. Cornering, and going down around tight switchbacks - no issues at all.

    JRA: on trails that don't require much travel or aggressive geo, I wanted to find out if the bike was still fun. Yep. It felt like a good trail bike too. It's not the "hummingbird" that the 5c is, but it's not going to suck the fun out of trail rides like some longer travel bikes can.

    Comparisons: Ripley LS is a faster climber, probably a better trail bike, a little more nimble, a little more "poppy", just as solid feeling, but not as stable DH, and not a "beast" like the 5.5 which was super confident when things got really steep.
    Nomad 3: similar in some ways in that the amount of travel on tap feels similar; and you can get away with a lot of mistakes on both as they are very stable at speed; they both pedal really well for what they are, but you still feel the difference vs their shorter travel brothers; N3 corners better; N3 feels a little lower so CG comes into play here, but also can cause pedal strikes which were not an issue with the 5.5.


    Anyway, the 5.5 is a great bike. Not for me for a few different reasons, but a great bike for sure. I don't believe in the one bike quiver thing, but this would be up there in the top 5 if I had to pick just one bike that can do it all really well.

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    ^^^Nice review with your short demo time on the bike. Your impressions pretty much sum up what I feel this bike is capable of and meant to do and handle well. Thanks for sharing and taking the time to give your feedback and honest assessment. I think currently the 2 most intriguing bikes available are the SB5.5c and the Mojo 3 running 2.8's. I feel that although were looking at 2 completely different wheel sizes these are the bikes that could permanetley leave that grin on your face.
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    Edited because the ****ing shitty insurance company is taking every word on the forum said to weasel out of a claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpnic View Post
    It's not an EVIL vs Yeti thing for me. It's a travel(+geometry) thing. For example...

    I put the Following and the Yeti 4.5 in the same type class and I put the Wreckoning/5.5 in the same class.
    If anything, I just bought the wrong type 29er for how I like to ride. If I had bought the 4.5 instead of the Following, it would be up for sale too. It's a 4" travel vs 6" travel thing.

    The Wreckoning is also a considerationfor a replacement (in addition to the 5.5), but I don't think it's as versatile on paper. EVILs need to be set up a certain way to feel perfect and lowering/raising the fork or swapping rear shocks may affect them more than on the Yeti. (I know first hand because I'm running a 150 on the front of my Following, just like I did my Sb95) If EVILs aren't set up correctly, they feel like crap, get sold, and then bashed as a terrible ride in bike forums.

    Seriously tho, I thought amazing geometry and handling would allow me to ride a 4" bike the same (despite having less travel than my Sb95 @ 150/125), and unfortunetly, its just not the case.
    Well your exactly right when you say the bike will feel like crap with the Suspension off just a little. Here's my problem...Evil say the bike is meant to be run at 130mm and even 140mm to be more capable descending but yet they designed a TRAIL BIKE that acts like a really slack DH bike due to the STA being jacked. The rear is so progressive and I ran 2 bands in the Monarch and I just kept adding air and reducing air thinking it would improve the feel which was so harsh if you tried running 25-28% sag, I eventually tried mid 30's but it just wallowed and was a mushy pile of dung. I always look for 30-33% which is the Yeti Sweet spot for me. The bike is a ripper freeride bike disguised in a 120mm trail bike chassis and to be honest its such a sham as you might as well get something much more capable.

    Anyhow, I think the 5.5 will be a big success and it will be front and center on a few of these EWS events which should raise some eyebrows when Rude wins on it. Sure, Rude could win on any bike he chooses but thats the way it goes when you have the best rider in the world.
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    Hope you get a chance to try a Hightower.. I rented a hightower and it climbed amazingly well.. it went down hill great as well but was surprised at the climbing capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leethal View Post
    Hope you get a chance to try a Hightower.. I rented a hightower and it climbed amazingly well.. it went down hill great as well but was surprised at the climbing capability.
    yeah I will - I'm not far from the factory so will go demo one soon. All things being equal my choice would be the HT (price, threaded BB, water bottle), so demo will be interesting. UC is close to factory so really a great place to demo a bike.

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    Add Hightower 2.8 to that equation

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    I'm anticipating several ride reports coming in this weekend since there are numerous locations with the bike ready to Demo. I like to hear the differing opinions that people give on how this bike performs for them. I pretty much have my mind made up but I'll get my demo just to seal the deal before I splash the cash on the Silver Bullet.
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    I will be at a demo and will try 4.5c and 5.5c back to back. I have a 6c and previously a 95c...the trails have a mixture of single track,switchbacks, rocky climb and decent and fire roads...I will post after

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    i think it's more of a grey bullet skinny haha. the color is rad though

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    Yeti grey is sexy if i had to buy a bike for its looks a 5.5 is that victoria secret model. 2nd would be ibis mojo 3 such a fine ass.

    Cant wait to hear the hightower vs 5.5 comparison. I got a chance to demo a hightower 29er and on socal wide open terrain its loads of fun. I have a nomad 3 and m6 so i wanted something that crushes climbs.

    I ended up with a ripley ls but the mach 6 is up for sale so i might have to find a 5.5 demo. So many good bikes out.



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    Yeti SB 5.5c discussion

    Well I'll give this review thing a try. I'll attempt to illustrate my experience in a different perspective based on what I was looking for and what ended up to be the perfect bike for me (in a short 6 mile ride - yea I know. Lol)

    I truly thought the release was going to be an updated 5c - like many of us. I was left without words or thoughts the minute the 5.5c was announced. Slowly I began to understand Yeti's intention. Within 30 minutes after the release I began to salivate at the fact that this bike was made for me (and possibly you).

    I currently ride a 95. Badass bike overall - nuff said. However, it was lacking in the stability department on descents. Soon after I purchased the 95 the 5c was released. Drooled but was not ready for a bike purchase. Fast-forward a little and now I'm waiting for the revised 5c after Yeti made appropriate changes to the 6c. At this point I was beginning my plan to upgrade the "possibly new" 5c with a 36 and X to increase its dh capabilities even further. Why wouldn't I just go for the 6c then? Based on readings, it seemed like maybe too much bike (though I never demoed one). Anyways, I just needed a more stout bike than the 95.

    5.5 came with the exact trim I wanted - minus the 29s. As mentioned, the 95 rocks, but does tend to flex for me at the wheels and fork. So I still had doubts about how the 5.5 was going to ride. Industry reviews started to pour in. I got excited. Could it really be.

    Rode the damn thing this morning in Fruita. All they had left was a medium. At 5'11" I'm right in the middle of a M and L. My 95 is L and fits me well. At the fitting it was a little cramped.

    Up the first climb on Mary's to the bench. "Well, that was quick" I said to myself. Cool. Push through. Zip, zip, zip, pop off here and there, zip, lean bike, lean bike waaaay down. Whoah! At this point, only 3 miles in, I was sold. Time to turn back. As soon as I got back to the bench I let her loose all the way downnnnn. Composed and well suited for my riding style. The thing just effortlessly glided over everything. Did not bust out a smile once on the trail. I was just in complete awe. Everything we've been reading to now is true. It did not feel like I was on a 29er or at least the 95. Granted I do not demo bikes often. So take that for what it is. In the end, IMO, 29ers are perfect for Colorado. We really do not turn much here.

    Strava is great in many ways. I'm currently recovering from a ruptured achilles tendon. Was actually cleared last week to begin running. I should be nowhere near the trail I was on today, even though it really isn't that tech. Strava presented me with PRs and 2s at the end of my ride. An injured man should not be awarded that. Was it the bike? Was it my adrenaline? Hardly any conditioning these past 4 months. Insane. Not sure what to take away from that.

    I'm sold. Done deal. It meets all my check boxes around my capabilities and those that I have yet discovered. I'll be riding it at the BME in Crested Butte and possibly the Monarch Creat Enduro once my leg fully heals.

    Questions? Ask them. Cheers!
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    Great review... Glad you liked the 55 so much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the need View Post
    Well I'll give this review thing a try. I'll attempt to illustrate my experience in a different perspective based on what I was looking for and what ended up to be the perfect bike for me (in a short 6 mile ride - yea I know. Lol)

    I truly thought the release was going to be an updated 5c - like many of us. I was left without words or thoughts the minute the 5.5c was announced. Slowly I began to understand Yeti's intention. Within 30 minutes after the release I began to salivate at the fact that this bike was made for me (and possibly you).

    I currently ride a 95. Badass bike overall - nuff said. However, it was lacking in the stability department on descents. Soon after I purchased the 95 the 5c was released. Drooled but was not ready for a bike purchase. Fast-forward a little and now I'm waiting for the revised 5c after Yeti made appropriate changes to the 6c. At this point I was beginning my plan to upgrade the "possibly new" 5c with a 36 and X to increase its dh capabilities even further. Why wouldn't I just go for the 6c then? Based on readings, it seemed like maybe too much bike (though I never demoed one). Anyways, I just needed a more stout bike than the 95.

    5.5 came with the exact trim I wanted - minus the 29s. As mentioned, the 95 rocks, but does tend to flex for me at the wheels and fork. So I still had doubts about how the 5.5 was going to ride. Industry reviews started to pour in. I got excited. Could it really be.

    Rode the damn thing this morning in Fruita. All they had left was a medium. At 5'11" I'm right in the middle of a M and L. My 95 is L and fits me well. At the fitting it was a little cramped.

    Up the first climb on Mary's to the bench. "Well, that was quick" I said to myself. Cool. Push through. Zip, zip, zip, pop off here and there, zip, lean bike, lean bike waaaay down. Whoah! At this point, only 3 miles in, I was sold. Time to turn back. As soon as I got back to the bench I let her loose all the way downnnnn. Composed and well suited for my riding style. The thing just effortlessly glided over everything. Did not bust out a smile once on the trail. I was just in complete awe. Everything we've been reading to now is true. It did not feel like I was on a 29er or at least the 95. Granted I do not demo bikes often. So take that for what it is. In the end, IMO, 29ers are perfect for Colorado. We really do not turn much here.

    Strava is great in many ways. I'm currently recovering from a ruptured achilles tendon. Was actually cleared last week to begin running. I should be nowhere near the trail I was on today, even though it really isn't that tech. Strava presented me with PRs and 2s at the end of my ride. An injured man should not be awarded that. Was it the bike? Was it my adrenaline? Hardly any conditioning these past 4 months. Insane. Not sure what to take away from that.

    I'm sold. Done deal. It meets all my check boxes around my capabilities and those that I have yet discovered. I'll be riding it at the BME in Crested Butte and possibly the Monarch Creat Enduro once my leg fully heals.

    Questions? Ask them. Cheers!
    You aren't helping!

    Thanks for the review.

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    Anyone else in the 5'10" range pick up a Large instead of the recommended Medium. Reach seems just a shade on the shorter side. Was looking at the Hightower and Ripley LS and at the recommended size both are longer in both reach and top tube. Coming from a size Large Nomad which is also longer in all dimensions.

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    ^^^^ I'm 5'11'' and I ride all Large frames and use 35mm stems. You'll be happy you upsize with a bike like the 5.5

    I'd say if you were buying a 120-130mm trail bike that was a 27.5 then maybe a smaller frame but with a mountain plow like the 5.5 go big or go to sleep.
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    I'm 6'3" and have loved the Large SB95, but have gone for an XL of the 5.5 for the longer reach...

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    I'm somewhere in the 6'1" to 6'2" range myself which should be a Large by Yeti standards. I picked up a XL Salsa end of last year and I liked the fact I could have the seat rails in a normal position and go with a shorter than typical stem for me. Therefore I'm waiting on an XL 5.5 myself. For an XC haul ass rocket the Large ASRc does very well for me, But I run the seat rail all the way to the back to get comfy with a 70mm stem which puts a tad too much weight rearward (my phat ass) on top of needing at least 385mm seat post, 410 if carbon so I'm looking forward to playing with the XL dimensions.
    They don't design these things for clydes!

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