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    New race bike: what else besides Oiz, Sniper..

    So ive been racing on a Scott Spark RC900 for the past few seasons and i think im ready for something else for next season. I have the twinlock on my Scott that i like so was thinking maybe Orbea Oiz since it has a lockout as well. I like the geo on the Sniper too. I have a trail bike so this bike would just be used for races and some training rides. Anything else i should look at?

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    The bikes you named are hard to beat... maybe top fuel ..

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    What do you expect to gain? A change in geometry or something? If you were on like a trek superfly and wanted updated geometry I could see upgrading but just getting a new bike to get a new bike doesn't make a lot of sense.

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    If I were shopping today, my list would be Oiz, Lux, and Spark RC. Enjoying my Top Fuel RSL today though, just wish it held 2 bottles. I'll probably look to get something new next season (2-3 years in this bike).
    -DC, just some XC Bum in Sfla...

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    I wonder if Trek and others realize how important 2 water bottles are to many of us? I also have a Top Fuel, and will sell it next year for something with 2 bottles. For a racetrack with people standing around handing out your bottles, 1 is fine, but for everyone else, especially people like me who have to use one bike for all kinds of things, long races, gravel races, whatever, 2 bottles is a serious help. I tried bolting one to my seatpost, that was awful. So the Cannondale, Oiz, Lux, and even Epic are all on my list, as is the Rocky Mountain Element.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curtlo-dork View Post
    I wonder if Trek and others realize how important 2 water bottles are to many of us? I also have a Top Fuel, and will sell it next year for something with 2 bottles. For a racetrack with people standing around handing out your bottles, 1 is fine, but for everyone else, especially people like me who have to use one bike for all kinds of things, long races, gravel races, whatever, 2 bottles is a serious help. I tried bolting one to my seatpost, that was awful. So the Cannondale, Oiz, Lux, and even Epic are all on my list, as is the Rocky Mountain Element.
    Thats true but i need a small frame which can only fit one bottle so i have to carry another in my jersey pocket.

    Any small fs race bikes fit 2 bottles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by curtlo-dork View Post
    So the Cannondale, Oiz, Lux, and even Epic are all on my list, as is the Rocky Mountain Element.
    I have an Epic and absolutely love it. The BRAIN takes a few weeks to fully adjust to, but, once you do, you'll never think about your suspension again.

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    I can say that for descending, the Epic FS is ridiculously fast. I demoed one for a week, ran it down a popular shuttle trail and did an XC race on it.

    I'm a strong descender, so I go with a HT though, so don't have a lot of XC FS experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curtlo-dork View Post
    I wonder if Trek and others realize how important 2 water bottles are to many of us? I also have a Top Fuel, and will sell it next year for something with 2 bottles. For a racetrack with people standing around handing out your bottles, 1 is fine, but for everyone else, especially people like me who have to use one bike for all kinds of things, long races, gravel races, whatever, 2 bottles is a serious help. I tried bolting one to my seatpost, that was awful. So the Cannondale, Oiz, Lux, and even Epic are all on my list, as is the Rocky Mountain Element.
    Bottle in the jersey pocket has worked ok for me on longer races where it's 2hrs between stops, but yeah an extra cage would help massively. The only on the seatpost is ok, but never seemed to last too long with a full bottle when I'm smashing something plus the high center of gravity feels weird. I've got a bottle holder I put in the pits that'll hold 3 bottles for lap races so that's fine, but for longer lap races or point to point XCM stuff having 1 bottle cage is a problem. At least with the XL Top Fuel I can put a big bottle in there...

    I think Trek would say for XCM you should be on a Procaliber, which has 2 cages. To me if I want a hardtail it's not a 1300g frame and I've already got a Top Fuel...

    Rocky Mountain Element is heavy, almost as heavy as the SB100 building out in the 24-26# range. The Cannondale is a no go for me due to no solid dealer support here and proprietary suspension/wheel spacing. Same for the Epic plus I don't like paying $300+ a year for the privilege of having a Brain suspension. Oiz & Lux look good, especially the customization options with Orbea.
    -DC, just some XC Bum in Sfla...

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    If you can find a way to get a hold of one of these....

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    Quote Originally Posted by curtlo-dork View Post
    I wonder if Trek and others realize how important 2 water bottles are to many of us? I also have a Top Fuel, and will sell it next year for something with 2 bottles. For a racetrack with people standing around handing out your bottles, 1 is fine, but for everyone else, especially people like me who have to use one bike for all kinds of things, long races, gravel races, whatever, 2 bottles is a serious help. I tried bolting one to my seatpost, that was awful. So the Cannondale, Oiz, Lux, and even Epic are all on my list, as is the Rocky Mountain Element.
    I run the small camelback. My back is huge and this thing is tiny and does not create heat. I also enjoy passing people in the feed zone.

    I absolutely love my Top fuel and ride it everywhere.

    I would only ride an Epic if it were given to me.

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    I would definitely not overlook the Sniper. I had an S-Works Epic, Tallboy II, and currently have an SB4.5 too. I also demoed the new Blur before deciding on the Sniper. I love the geo and suspension tune on the Sniper. I really like the 3 position shock vs. 2 position on the Blur, and multi-pivot design vs. the flex-stay of the Epic. The Sniper climbs as good or better than any of my previous XC bikes and is way more stable descending - perfect for marathon distance racing IMO. My Sniper is 21lbs 13oz with the dropper and pedals. Really enjoying it so far. Good luck!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcjacob21 View Post
    I would definitely not overlook the Sniper. I had an S-Works Epic, Tallboy II, and currently have an SB4.5 too. I also demoed the new Blur before deciding on the Sniper. I love the geo and suspension tune on the Sniper. I really like the 3 position shock vs. 2 position on the Blur, and multi-pivot design vs. the flex-stay of the Epic. The Sniper climbs as good or better than any of my previous XC bikes and is way more stable descending - perfect for marathon distance racing IMO. My Sniper is 21lbs 13oz with the dropper and pedals. Really enjoying it so far. Good luck!


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    Sub 22lbs with a dropper is impressive. Makes me curious about the Sniper

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcjacob21 View Post
    I would definitely not overlook the Sniper. I had an S-Works Epic, Tallboy II, and currently have an SB4.5 too. I also demoed the new Blur before deciding on the Sniper. I love the geo and suspension tune on the Sniper. I really like the 3 position shock vs. 2 position on the Blur, and multi-pivot design vs. the flex-stay of the Epic. The Sniper climbs as good or better than any of my previous XC bikes and is way more stable descending - perfect for marathon distance racing IMO. My Sniper is 21lbs 13oz with the dropper and pedals. Really enjoying it so far. Good luck!


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    Have you been racing the Sniper Xc or trail?

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    XC, 100mm travel front and rear. Loving it (and not sponsored by Intense)!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcjacob21 View Post
    XC, 100mm travel front and rear. Loving it (and not sponsored by Intense)!


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    Did you demo the trail version or consider putting a 120mm fork on the xc? Im not a huge fan of the fox 100mm fork

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcjacob21 View Post
    XC, 100mm travel front and rear. Loving it (and not sponsored by Intense)!
    How did you like it in your last XC race?
    -DC, just some XC Bum in Sfla...

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    Very happy with the Santa Cruz Blur X01 build (but swapped out SRAM brakes for XT). Bike weighs just under 23 lbs with 150mm Reverb Stealth dropper. 100mm is perfect - longer reach makes handling technical stuff easier. 2 position lockout is also perfect.

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    If you need a second water bottle I have seen a few racers run a king cage off a top cap mount. Doesn't pop out and easy to access. But...also consider a Canyon. Then have two water bottles in the triangle in a size small. The headset stop block thing is also good for a small sized frame as many have slammed stems and this prevents the bar or controls from banging the top tube. Ultralight version and one slightly heavier with a 110mm fork. Both types have droppers available and they offer rockshox or fox suspensions. Otherwise my Trek Procaliber though not a full suspension does soften the trail and has two water bottles in side the triangle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcjacob21 View Post
    I would definitely not overlook the Sniper. I had an S-Works Epic, Tallboy II, and currently have an SB4.5 too. I also demoed the new Blur before deciding on the Sniper. I love the geo and suspension tune on the Sniper. I really like the 3 position shock vs. 2 position on the Blur, and multi-pivot design vs. the flex-stay of the Epic. The Sniper climbs as good or better than any of my previous XC bikes and is way more stable descending - perfect for marathon distance racing IMO. My Sniper is 21lbs 13oz with the dropper and pedals. Really enjoying it so far. Good luck!


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    Ive narrowed the list down to the Sniper XC and Spesh Epic. My lbs sells specialized but there are no Intense dealers around me. Can you share more about the differences between the two? Which one do you think corners better and is better descending at speed?

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