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    Hey folks,

    I just wanted to introduce our company to the wheel forum. We are a Canadian carbon rim manufacturer and would like to open the dialogue for any of our products, offer any insight to carbon rim manufacturing and help in any way possible with any questions what so ever.

    We hand lay all of our rims and build all of our wheels right here in Kamloops BC Canada. And ship directly to the consumer and through our dealer network.

    You all have a great forum going here and we would enjoy being a part of the descussion.

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    Thanks @tungsten!

    Ya our website is https://weareonecomposites.com

    There is some great info on there about our process and who we are. All of our staff stems from a long history in Mountain Biking and we have built this venture from the ground up.

    @astom22, we have some really solid physical testers here and have had a really great run at our Local BC Enduro Series rounds. Picking up every win in the Pro Men's field so far this year. Have you tried carbon rims as of yet?

    Cheers

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    the project sounds interesting. Do you provide industry pricing to qualified shops?
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    Absolutley, we love supporting the employees of our dealers. If you are keen to become a dealer, just email [email protected]

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    the project sounds interesting. Do you provide industry pricing to qualified shops?

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    Producing carbon products in house and in North America is a huge feat now a days. Few carbon rim offerings can make such a claim and its all too easy to slap a decal on Chinese rims. I was skeptical at first, then came across a few pictures of your facility and molds. Good work!
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    Welcome, very interesting, pricing looks inline with the stuff out of Asia, which is truly amazing. One little thing I might point out, get a native english speaking person to go over the site with your designer and fix the the grammar and spelling, lots of grammatical and spelling errors.
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    #showusyourcarbon is exactly that. The AGENT has been in the works for over nine months. It was no easy feat, and we have a very knowledgeable team that is capable of producing a very high-end product.
    The beauty of manufacturing over here is that we have made a choice to be small batch and focus on each rim coming out exactly as planned. We do not paint our rims and need to ensure our molds are very tight tolerance. All of our carbon is sourced in the US and cannot be found in Asia. The resin system is extremely strong and pliable.

    We worked long and hard at perfecting this product before it came to market and it shows.

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    Producing carbon products in house and in North America is a huge feat now a days. Few carbon rim offerings can make such a claim and its all too easy to slap a decal on Chinese rims. I was skeptical at first, then came across a few pictures of your facility and molds. Good work!
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    There is a very long response here about us being in line with the Asian offerings. The short response is that we are small batch and a much smaller manufacturer than most of the Asian manufacturers. We have focused on our business plan and executed on our agenda to improve on our process to reduce the amount of overarching labor from each rim.
    Having a strong understanding of our business model and plan has allowed us to be very competitive with our pricing and we are happy only manufacturing a few rims per month.
    As for the grammar on our site, I will have to look further into this. We did have numerous people preview it and found a few errors.

    Thanks for the input

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    Welcome, very interesting, pricing looks inline with the stuff out of Asia, which is truly amazing. One little thing I might point out, get a native english speaking person to go over the site with your designer and fix the the grammar and spelling, lots of grammatical and spelling errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    One little thing I might point out, get a native english speaking person to go over the site with your designer and fix the the grammar and spelling, lots of grammatical and spelling errors.
    I did not proof read the whole site, but these guys are in Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada, and are english native speakers. Probably more focused on engineering and riding.

    It's good to see some Canadian manufacturing, good luck.

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    I'm guessing the 26" is just around the corner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I did not proof read the whole site, but these guys are in Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada, and are english native speakers. Probably more focused on engineering and riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    Thanks @tungsten!

    Ya our website is https://weareonecomposites.com

    There is some great info on there about our process and who we are. All of our staff stems from a long history in Mountain Biking and we have built this venture from the ground up.

    @astom22, we have some really solid physical testers here and have had a really great run at our Local BC Enduro Series rounds. Picking up every win in the Pro Men's field so far this year. Have you tried carbon rims as of yet?

    Cheers
    I have not ridden carbon rims yet, but I'm looking at upgrading my current wheels after the summer riding season ends. Carbon rims are on the possible upgrade list.

    I will check out your site and see what you have to offer.

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    You are correct sir. We are Canucks and know more about hockey and Tim Horton's than any punctuation. LOL
    We just launched our website on June 1st, and we did our best to make everything perfect. But hey we are all humans, and it appears we missed some errors.
    Great to get those now and it is always good to be held accountable. All kinds of feedback are important.

    Back to building rims now, and getting our initial orders out the door!

    Cheers

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    I did not proof read the whole site, but these guys are in Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada, and are english native speakers. Probably more focused on engineering and riding.

    It's good to see some Canadian manufacturing, good luck.

    If there is a cultural homeland for mountain biking, BC is in the running. Our town's mayor, who is a non rider showed up for our club's annual general meeting to express her support, and recognize what mtb has done for the economy.

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    One thing I read on your site that I found interesting was a mention of carbon recycling and wanted to know more about this, as I was un-aware that carbon could actually be recycled, similar to styrofoam.

    Wasn't trying to be negative, just happen to have been in that business for a while and so pick up on anything, especially the little details people miss. From what I saw, it honestly looked like the person who wrote the text for the site did not speak english as their native language, like it was a french speaking Canadian as that's how the "errors" read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    One thing I read on your site that I found interesting was a mention of carbon recycling and wanted to know more about this, as I was un-aware that carbon could actually be recycled, similar to styrofoam.

    Wasn't trying to be negative, just happen to have been in that business for a while and so pick up on anything, especially the little details people miss. From what I saw, it honestly looked like the person who wrote the text for the site did not speak english as their native language, like it was a french speaking Canadian as that's how the "errors" read.
    Couldn't you chop it up and make CFRP? Lots of products use CFRP, especially ones that are difficult shapes to produce or don't require the same strength to weight ratio as straight CF type designs.
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    Carbon fiber can be ground up and used in other applications, not really a true recycling in the common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    One thing I read on your site that I found interesting was a mention of carbon recycling and wanted to know more about this, as I was un-aware that carbon could actually be recycled, similar to styrofoam.

    Wasn't trying to be negative, just happen to have been in that business for a while and so pick up on anything, especially the little details people miss. From what I saw, it honestly looked like the person who wrote the text for the site did not speak english as their native language, like it was a french speaking Canadian as that's how the "errors" read.
    No offense was taken. It was good feedback. I combed the site yesterday and found some honest mistakes. We get better every day and build on feedback like this. So, a sincere thank you for the help. It was greatly appreciated.
    As for the carbon recycling, we are collecting information on the process and working with a German company to gain more knowledge of how to better our waste. Chopped carbon is something that can be done, but it is a very extensive process and involves a load of capital. So, for now, we are still working towards that solution, but it is something we see as a huge part of our business as we grow. There is a mountain of spent carbon fiber out there every year and we would like to be a part of a solution for where it ends up.

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    If you had a rim that competed with the Teocalli I'd seriously consider it.
    As wide as possible under the 400g mark will do very well I think.

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    Welcome, very interesting, pricing looks inline with the stuff out of Asia, which is truly amazing. One little thing I might point out, get a native english speaking person to go over the site with your designer and fix the the grammar and spelling, lots of grammatical and spelling errors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    If you had a rim that competed with the Teocalli I'd seriously consider it.
    As wide as possible under the 400g mark will do very well I think.




    Yep & yep.
    I agree 100%, we entered the market based on our previous market research and The AGENT rim and wheel package is our initial offering. In our R&D pipeline, we have a few different designs, widths and weights. We have full intentions of launching other rim products within this year. We will keep you posted as things progress.

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    Just wanted to drop some cool content for you all to enjoy. The Movement is our way of entering the market and showing you some cool clips of what is to come. Enjoy!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hd-zpHKJes

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    Both the 29 and 27.5 rim are spec'd at 480g. Is that correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spsoon View Post
    Both the 29 and 27.5 rim are spec'd at 480g. Is that correct?
    The AGENT 27.5 is 480g +/- 10g
    https://we-are-one-composites.odoo.c...nt-27-5-rim-20

    The AGENT 29 is 490g +/- 10g
    https://we-are-one-composites.odoo.c...gent-29-rim-46

    Our 29 and 27 are only 10g apart

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    The 29 page says 480g.

    I'm happy to see this happening in Canada, but I have to say I'm not feeling the value in these offerings when a Flow rim is similar weight and width for a fraction of the price. I realize carbon has benefits other than weight, but it's a big consideration. Hope you guys succeed, I'll be watching for some sub-400g options!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dundundata View Post
    I'm guessing the 26" is just around the corner
    Haven't you heard 26 has been long dead and 27.5 is now dying........36 around the corner. Five years from now we will be riding full suspension high wheelers.

    Made in North America carbon rims at Asian prices........if this works this could be a game changer

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    Quote Originally Posted by spsoon View Post
    The 29 page says 480g.

    I'm happy to see this happening in Canada, but I have to say I'm not feeling the value in these offerings when a Flow rim is similar weight and width for a fraction of the price. I realize carbon has benefits other than weight, but it's a big consideration. Hope you guys succeed, I'll be watching for some sub-400g options!
    Being able to manufacture our rims here in Canada has made us just as stoked. We understand that the cost of carbon rims are not on par with aluminum offerings and will be forever impossible to narrow the cost gap.
    But when you look at the same weight rims in alloy's to carbon, you get a much different result in performance. Carbon is a high-performance material. The added lateral stiffness and overall strength of just the rim before it is laced into a wheel is considerably higher. You can fine tune how you want a rim to behave. You can engineer in traits that improve all kinds of behaviors.
    Take Impact resistance for instance. It was a huge target of design for us. We spent more time on that section of the rim than any other. And, we feel that it is strong enough to back it with a 5-year warranty, and no questions asked lifetime crash replacement.
    Our goal when we set out to design The AGENT, was the ultimate Enduro rim. 3.5mm rim lips and a shallow depth for long days without added fatigue. The Agent is not the swiss army knife of rims; it is the sniper.
    What I would recommend is, stay tuned as we have much more in the works.

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    As someone who doesn't have carbon wheel money to spend right now, I guess I'm not part of this, but these are my thoughts on this... Personally, as a non engineer, I cannot understand how a 650B rim and a 29er rim can be only 10g different in weight and both maintain the same characteristics.

    A 29er rim of the same width as a 650B rim would be in the area of about 10% more surface area, so how can adding only 10g of carbon fibre (roughly 2%) to the 29er offering maintain the same strength and ride characteristics? Know my math is off about the difference in size between the 2 wheel sizes, I'm sure you can give a more accurate figure and would be interested in hearing how this would be accomplished , when to me it would seem like magic.

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    The AGENT 27.5 is 480g +/- 10g
    https://we-are-one-composites.odoo.c...nt-27-5-rim-20

    The AGENT 29 is 490g +/- 10g
    https://we-are-one-composites.odoo.c...gent-29-rim-46

    Our 29 and 27 are only 10g apart
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    As someone who doesn't have carbon wheel money to spend right now, I guess I'm not part of this, but these are my thoughts on this... Personally, as a non engineer, I cannot understand how a 650B rim and a 29er rim can be only 10g different in weight and both maintain the same characteristics.

    A 29er rim of the same width as a 650B rim would be in the area of about 10% more surface area, so how can adding only 10g of carbon fibre (roughly 2%) to the 29er offering maintain the same strength and ride characteristics? Know my math is off about the difference in size between the 2 wheel sizes, I'm sure you can give a more accurate figure and would be interested in hearing how this would be accomplished , when to me it would seem like magic.
    This is where the testing and understanding how and what each layer is doing to give the rim the characteristic you want as a result. Not every layer is meant to add improved strength. Some are there to improve ride feel and others bridge gaps and connect the puzzle together.
    What you are asking is a great question, but without going into great detail with a response that is more about how we do what we do and give away too much information, this is the best I can offer.
    The long and short of it all is, we were able to achieve this through loads of R&D, testing and refining our processes. It all starts with a goal and a design. It is the hard work and engineering that achieves the goal. Combine that with all the data that we recorded throughout the process and 10g heavier is the result.

    I hope that isn't too vauge.

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    What do you think of the new Santa Cruz rim with extra meat around each spoke hole.
    As someone who built a lot, and I mean a lot, of Wolber tubular rims back in the day and saw how too much tension distorted that area supporting the nipple I think that (Santa Cruz's) idea is a good one.

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    Nope, if that's as much as you can share. Still though, I may not be an engineer, but I've had some experience with fibre glass and carbon and you just have to add an extra tea spoon of resin and that's 10g. Just can't see this as possible, not and retain the same strength and ride characteristics, the 29er rim has to be weaker and have more flex relative to the 650B.
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    .......I hope that isn't too vague.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj View Post
    You're intuition is right, LyNx, and you don't need to be an engineer to know when you're being lied to.

    Scaling the rim up to 622 should add 30g, not 10. If the difference is real, which it may not be, then there should be a reasonable explanation. What's offered here is not one.

    What's more likely, that "hard working" engineers accomplish something that defies logic and that is never seen in other products, that a company with no track record pushes out products with different layups that they don't understand, or that a company publishes specs that are inconsistent and at odds with reality?
    I do not think we are lying to anyone here.
    The layups are not the same. If they were the same layup, the diameter of the rim would make them behave differently.
    The rims were designed for the same purpose, and there are slight variations in the layup to keep the 29 down in weight and keep the performance in line with the 27.5

    Our Teams background is complete with experience engineering at Rolls-Royce in the composites department and working with Asian carbon rim manufacturers to better processes and improve their products for the North American market. This product has been in the development stages for eight months. We test all of our products in-house and have a full understanding of what behaviors we engineer into them. All of our processes are done in-house. We machine all of our molds, cut all of our carbon, layup and finish all of our rims here. Nothing is farmed out, and we have full control over the entire manufacturing process.

    We recognize that the carbon rim market is murky. There is a load of companies out there that do not even know who makes their products and just apply fancy decals. We pride ourselves on not being grouped into that bracket. Our goal is to be transparent as possible without giving away all of our proprietary data.

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    Good job bringing an in-house product like this to market. Hope to see you guys succeed. I used to live in Kamloops, and if I was still up there I would possibly be considering a set of these wheels.

    Your video on YouTube was pretty rad - you guys going to drop some 20" Carbon BMX wheels in the future?

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    Nice looking rims!

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    Factory tour

    I just wanted to share a small factory tour video we are showing to introduce out team and show a bit of our process.

    Please share your thoughts with me and I would be happy to answer any questions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4NGxFuonok

    Cheers

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    You asked for it, so here's my thoughts.........

    Nicely produced, utterly useless to a consumer. You want to reassure and make possible future clients trust you, spend sometime with interviews of the actual people working there, show their passion and knowledge, not some nicely lit fluff piece.

    FYI, I have nothing against you or your company, I don't trust anything new,especially when they're claiming to have basically designed a "hummingbird"

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    I just wanted to share a small factory tour video we are showing to introduce out team and show a bit of our process.

    Please share your thoughts with me and I would be happy to answer any questions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4NGxFuonok

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    You asked for it, so here's my thoughts.........

    Nicely produced, utterly useless to a consumer. You want to reassure and make possible future clients trust you, spend sometime with interviews of the actual people working there, show their passion and knowledge, not some nicely lit fluff piece.

    FYI, I have nothing against you or your company, I don't trust anything new,especially when they're claiming to have basically designed a "hummingbird"
    Thanks for your honest opinion. In business, nothing happens over night. The team in the video has a long history in the mountain bike industry, and I would love to share our passion with you.

    I am the owner, and my name is Dustin Adams. I spent the last 25 years in the mountain bike business, racing World Cup Downhill for Giant in the USA, I have tested for many great companies over the years and am excited to bring We Are One to the world. Most recently, I was part owner of NOBL wheels and an acting agent for Light Bicycle. My role in both of those companies shows in much of their success over the past 18 months. I helped lead the company and bring Onyx to the table and design the NOBL hub. My other roles were the testing and design of the new 33mm rim and took that product from idea to the market. I have been to Light-bicycle and helped improve the layup process and made improvement suggestions for them to grow as a company.

    Our Engineer is Fraser Andrew, he came from Rolls-Royce and worked on structural composite components for the engines on may commercial airliners. He has a massive catalog of knowledge with composites and has helped build all of our in-house testing and layup designs. Fraser brings his background working with FEA software, and we utilize this to develop and improve all of our products. Fraser has competed in many EWS races in Europe and North America and has left his post in England to find a job in the bike biz.

    Our lead machinist is Gilles Corbiel, Gilles is an ex-Canadian National XC racer and has been machining as a red seal mold maker for almost 15 years now. He makes all of our molds with our Hass VM3 and as a team with Fraser and myself fine tuned our mold process.

    Our two layup staff are Shane Jensen and Wayne Parsons. Shane has been racing bikes since he was 12 years old. Shane had a part in an old mountain bike movie called Kranked 2. He wore a huge 16mm helmet camera and filmed me in Kelowna. We go way back together.
    Wayne has helped design tires for Maxxis and with Balfa bicycles in the past. He has always been pushing to improve products in our industry and is well known for his great work in our area.

    The passion of our team is undeniable, and our knowledge of composites manufacturing is extensive. We believe in being a transparent company and leaving nothing to question. The goal for We Are One is to create industry leading products through testing and confirmed design. Our focus is innovating our layup design and bringing new materials into our structures that enhance composite rims.

    I hope these short few paragraphs shine some more light on who we are, where our passions come from, and what we aim to do as a company.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    Thanks for your honest opinion. In business, nothing happens over night. The team in the video has a long history in the mountain bike industry, and I would love to share our passion with you.

    I am the owner, and my name is Dustin Adams. I spent the last 25 years in the mountain bike business, racing World Cup Downhill for Giant in the USA, I have tested for many great companies over the years and am excited to bring We Are One to the world. Most recently, I was part owner of NOBL wheels and an acting agent for Light Bicycle. My role in both of those companies shows in much of their success over the past 18 months. I helped lead the company and bring Onyx to the table and design the NOBL hub. My other roles were the testing and design of the new 33mm rim and took that product from idea to the market. I have been to Light-bicycle and helped improve the layup process and made improvement suggestions for them to grow as a company.

    Our Engineer is Fraser Andrew, he came from Rolls-Royce and worked on structural composite components for the engines on may commercial airliners. He has a massive catalog of knowledge with composites and has helped build all of our in-house testing and layup designs. Fraser brings his background working with FEA software, and we utilize this to develop and improve all of our products. Fraser has competed in many EWS races in Europe and North America and has left his post in England to find a job in the bike biz.

    Our lead machinist is Gilles Corbiel, Gilles is an ex-Canadian National XC racer and has been machining as a red seal mold maker for almost 15 years now. He makes all of our molds with our Hass VM3 and as a team with Fraser and myself fine tuned our mold process.

    Our two layup staff are Shane Jensen and Wayne Parsons. Shane has been racing bikes since he was 12 years old. Shane had a part in an old mountain bike movie called Kranked 2. He wore a huge 16mm helmet camera and filmed me in Kelowna. We go way back together.
    Wayne has helped design tires for Maxxis and with Balfa bicycles in the past. He has always been pushing to improve products in our industry and is well known for his great work in our area.

    The passion of our team is undeniable, and our knowledge of composites manufacturing is extensive. We believe in being a transparent company and leaving nothing to question. The goal for We Are One is to create industry leading products through testing and confirmed design. Our focus is innovating our layup design and bringing new materials into our structures that enhance composite rims.

    I hope these short few paragraphs shine some more light on who we are, where our passions come from, and what we aim to do as a company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Make a comparable rim to the Teocalli and I'll guarantee the sale of at least one pair.
    We are in development of something new and up your alley. We are aiming to have something for early fall if testing goes according to plan.

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    Another small insight to our testing of impact done on our AGENT rims. In this link, you will see the 27.5 rim built to 125Kg/f tension absorb and impact of 70lbs dropped from 17" in height. Notice there deformation of the rim, and the impact zone spokes lose all tension. The load is then sent to the 6,7,8 spokes away from the impact zone and causes a failure to happen.
    This test helped us develop a better nipple bed area layup and optimize spoke tension. Now our rims are pushing drop impact tests of 20" with the same weight. A huge improvement and a huge part of our development.
    There is no damage to the impact zone of the rim at all. This was the 8th impact test as you can see on the rim, so the abuse was considerable on the rim at that point. Can carbon be designed to absorb impacts? We are working towards it and have made some very big gains.

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    Curious about this little tid bit and what rims they compared theirs to? Did they compare to an Enve M50/60/70/90, new SC rims, Nox Farlow/Teocali, Ibis, Bontrager Line Pro, Derbie, LB, Nextie..... which did it beat? I'm giving hassle here, because that's a mighty big claim they're putting out there.

    We believe with all of the testing our design is the toughest 30mm wide rim on the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Curious about this little tid bit and what rims they compared theirs to? Did they compare to an Enve M50/60/70/90, new SC rims, Nox Farlow/Teocali, Ibis, Bontrager Line Pro, Derbie, LB, Nextie..... which did it beat? I'm giving hassle here, because that's a mighty big claim they're putting out there.
    For sure those claims are big. But with test data in hand and comparisons done in-house, those are the numbers, and they back up what we are saying. We have tested against a number of companies on your list, and a few Asian manufacturers that are not on your list.
    There is a level of professionalism here where it would be very poor on my part to start calling out names. I hope you understand that I cannot rattle off the names. This may look like I am just throwing crap at a wall, but if my word means anything, the claim supports what we have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    There is a level of professionalism here where it would be very poor on my part to start calling out names.
    Is this professionalism? Or a bike industry code of silence?

    The marketplace is full of direct comparisons between competitors. The bike industry, less so. Essentially, you are telling your potential customers that it is more important that you not create friction with your competitors than to be transparent and data-showing with your customers.

    Is it really a dis-service to the bike world if you show your $425 rim surviving potentially destructive tests that are representative of aggressive riding, while showing a $1000 Envy rim fail the same? There is a case to made that it would benefit your business.

    I like your design philosophy and hope you succeed, and I'm not suggesting you're lying about your data. But don't expect to get the same credibility with claims supported by hidden/secret data as you would with claims supported by public data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    In this link, you will see the 27.5 rim built to 125Kg/f tension absorb and impact of 70lbs dropped from 17" in height.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgOb7__9FYs
    One example of the earlier comments about grammatical errors on the website, note that your linked youtube title doesn't manage to spell "impact" correctly. Friendly fyi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InertiaMan View Post
    Is this professionalism? Or a bike industry code of silence?

    The marketplace is full of direct comparisons between competitors. The bike industry, less so. Essentially, you are telling your potential customers that it is more important that you not create friction with your competitors than to be transparent and data-showing with your customers.

    Is it really a dis-service to the bike world if you show your $425 rim surviving destructive tests that are representative of aggressive riding, while showing a $1000 Envy rim fail the same? There is a case to made that it would benefit your business.

    I like your design philosophy and hope you succeed, and I'm not suggesting you're lying about your data. But don't expect to get the same credibility with claims supported by hidden/secret data as you would with claims supported by public data.
    I think the level of professionalism comes from being the new guy on the block and not screaming and pounding the drum calling every other company inferior in design. I respect what they all have done as it is no easy task. Out of my respect for their efforts I do not feel the need to drag them by name through the mud. It is not the right apporoach even if I would gain sales or reputation.
    There was a direct question of who we tested against. My answer is a good number of those on the list.
    Marketing has focused on graphs and charts stating the claims without any proof of that data even existing. There was a classic case of this on a recent offering dropped by a large bike manufacturer and I see no benefit to joining that club.
    Ask me specific questions about what we compare to and I will support that with numbers and data we collected. If we are less stiff than an M90, M70, IBIS etc...where we sit radially on the chart of test subjects and why we chose that target.
    We will be happy to have those discussions, but thowing up a chart and saying "look we are better because this graph says so" is no our approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InertiaMan View Post
    One example of the earlier comments about grammatical errors on the website, note that your linked youtube title doesn't manage to spell "impact" correctly. Friendly fyi.
    The joys of being dyslexic and trying to promote a company are always a blast. Thanks for catching this one for me.

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    You guys going to have demo sets available at some of the LBS? Nothing like actually trying a product on the trail to determine how great it actually is (And get people to fork over cash when they immediately appreciate it)

    You are fitting in just fine to the industry for sure - making claims that your stuff is better/stronger, but not actually throwing the true evidence out there. Good news is we are sheep, and believe boost is better. And pressfit bb. And 27.5 - oh wait, 29 now

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    You guys going to have demo sets available at some of the LBS? Nothing like actually trying a product on the trail to determine how great it actually is (And get people to fork over cash when they immediately appreciate it)

    You are fitting in just fine to the industry for sure - making claims that your stuff is better/stronger, but not actually throwing the true evidence out there. Good news is we are sheep, and believe boost is better. And pressfit bb. And 27.5 - oh wait, 29 now
    If we gave you every bit of information all at once, what would we have to continue growing our reach with? We are on the long build up here, and there will be more backing to our claims as we go.
    I remember chatting with you when I worked for NOBL. My offer that I had put on the table then still stands. Any time you want to go for a ride and try these wheels out, let me know, and I personally will set you up and go for a ride together and get your honest feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    If we gave you every bit of information all at once, what would we have to continue growing our reach with?
    Business 101, offer something that no one else does. Continue to change and develop because eventually someone will come along that will do what you do cheaper, faster, more efficiently and better. Right now, the public is waiting to learn how you offer something unique as compared to all the others. Lots of other manufactures are making good carbon rims, so your challenge is to convince the public that your product is worth it (with facts and evidence).
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    I'm sorry, it would seem that maybe, yes, that's exactly what you're doing, seems you're slinging as much BS as those other manufacturers you're eluding to without providing the facts/data to back it up. I should not have to try and guess who you tested against and try to figure out what tests you carried out, I'm not the one trying to convince everyone your wheels are worth it and it's not a load of BS being thrown out.

    While I think you guys are probably producing a great product, the direction your marketing is going, does not lead me to believe you guys have a good grasp of that side of the business and are contradicting yourselves at every turn. It's fine if this is the case, but companies don't usually survive unless they have a sound business model, marketing and sales/CS in place - people like straight answers, not BS. Seems like "you guys" are trying to handle everything, but it might be a good time to actually hire someone/company who does this for a living and concentrate on dealing with the production/design side of the business.

    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    For sure those claims are big. But with test data in hand and comparisons done in-house, those are the numbers, and they back up what we are saying. We have tested against a number of companies on your list, and a few Asian manufacturers that are not on your list.
    There is a level of professionalism here where it would be very poor on my part to start calling out names. I hope you understand that I cannot rattle off the names. This may look like I am just throwing crap at a wall, but if my word means anything, the claim supports what we have done.

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    Ask me specific questions about what we compare to and I will support that with numbers and data we collected. If we are less stiff than an M90, M70, IBIS etc...where we sit radially on the chart of test subjects and why we chose that target.
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    And when Enve state somethings like that, everybody goes nuts like it's the new circle and they are even whilling to paid premium for pre-order.

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    The world is full of people who get off just hammering others. In time, the wheels and company will prove to be viable or not. So in the mean time, let's stop the naysaying. Be happy and applaud the entrepreneurial spirit. We need more of that.

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    how/why did you guys choose project321 hubs? any chance we can purchase rim only? or with i9's or ck hubs? any colored decals?

    in my next wheel purchase, i'd like to get hubs i can service or maybe get locally serviced. many of the lbs in my can service i9s or ck hubs in house.

    price wise, 1600-1700 isn't horrible for a carbon wheelset, considering enve m70hv's are like 2900 with ck hubs, but at least enve provides financing.

    im glad there's a new carbon rim thats symmetrical. the whole asymmetric rim was driving my OCD off the charts.

    definitely interested in how these rims hold up with reviews and comparison tests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I'm sorry, it would seem that maybe, yes, that's exactly what you're doing, seems you're slinging as much BS as those other manufacturers you're eluding to without providing the facts/data to back it up. I should not have to try and guess who you tested against and try to figure out what tests you carried out, I'm not the one trying to convince everyone your wheels are worth it and it's not a load of BS being thrown out.

    While I think you guys are probably producing a great product, the direction your marketing is going, does not lead me to believe you guys have a good grasp of that side of the business and are contradicting yourselves at every turn. It's fine if this is the case, but companies don't usually survive unless they have a sound business model, marketing and sales/CS in place - people like straight answers, not BS. Seems like "you guys" are trying to handle everything, but it might be a good time to actually hire someone/company who does this for a living and concentrate on dealing with the production/design side of the business.
    I thank you for all of your direct comments on our company and what we could do better. I do just want to point out that there is a lot more to just posting up data that supports claims, especially when you want to name your competitors.
    There are legal ramifications and major implications that can cause more damage than good to a start up. If I were to state a claim that we were better than, say Enve as they are the largest...I am going to be legally obligated to prove in a court of law my data, supply them with it and have a judge agree. Even if the data is all in place it could end up costing me a whack of money to fight that in court. Naming companies isn't just something you can willy nilly fire off and expect no legal ramifications. A 50 million dollar corporation with a probable legal department that handles all of their owned brands is not a good way to prove your data unless you like burning cash in court to do so.

    We know internally where we stand, now we need to continue with our roll out as planned and bring our information to the market as we have planned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by useport80 View Post
    how/why did you guys choose project321 hubs? any chance we can purchase rim only? or with i9's or ck hubs? any colored decals?

    in my next wheel purchase, i'd like to get hubs i can service or maybe get locally serviced. many of the lbs in my can service i9s or ck hubs in house.

    price wise, 1600-1700 isn't horrible for a carbon wheelset, considering enve m70hv's are like 2900 with ck hubs, but at least enve provides financing.

    im glad there's a new carbon rim thats symmetrical. the whole asymmetric rim was driving my OCD off the charts.

    definitely interested in how these rims hold up with reviews and comparison tests.
    For sure you can buy rim only. We sell both of our 29 and 27.5 as rim and wheelset only.

    We chose P321 as our premium hub supplier based on their machine quality and tolerances. The bearings they use, EZO, have been proving to be very good. It is a huge improvement to the Enduro bearings they used in the past. The option of both loud and quiet is also a very nice touch. Being personal fans of a more quiet ride, this was one of the coolest options we could have asked for.

    The hubs do not have a press fit/o-ring retained freehub. The freehub will not fall apart on the trail if you drop your rear wheel changing a flat. All of the bearings are easy to access and any competent shop that can change and I9 bearing set would be capable of swapping these out and doing service.
    The only thing they might need if you wanted to change the ring gear is the removal tool. Other than that the hub is pretty simple to work on.
    We have some great videos on how to swap out bearings, and completely tear apart the hubs. The will be up on our site soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    I thank you for all of your direct comments on our company and what we could do better. I do just want to point out that there is a lot more to just posting up data that supports claims, especially when you want to name your competitors.
    [...]
    We know internally where we stand, now we need to continue with our roll out as planned and bring our information to the market as we have planned.
    Just to provide a counterpoint to LyNx's typical aggro and contrarian attitude, your approach and confidence you have in it is landing very positively with me.
    If dingleberry wants to see another cartoon figure so he can then go about peeing all over it, he just wants to continue the paradigm that he so energetically complains about.
    Like I said... you've sold one pair of rims already... if you fill that Teocalli sweet spot with a product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    You guys going to have demo sets available at some of the LBS? Nothing like actually trying a product on the trail to determine how great it actually is (And get people to fork over cash when they immediately appreciate it)

    You are fitting in just fine to the industry for sure - making claims that your stuff is better/stronger, but not actually throwing the true evidence out there. Good news is we are sheep, and believe boost is better. And pressfit bb. And 27.5 - oh wait, 29 now
    Seriously, quit living in the past and get a 36er.

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    Just wanted to update you all.

    We just added 28 hole rims to our selection as well as a stealth decal option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    Just wanted to update you all.

    We just added 28 hole rims to our selection as well as a stealth decal option.

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    Two thumbs up on both of those additions. Which, if my math is correct, is s total of four thumbs up.
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    Well despite what you say, when someone says they're better at something than someone else, but shows nothing to back it up, I have a hard time believing them, especially when a business is concerned. As far as not wanting to provide names, well, without providing names they are basically saying they're better than them all. As to the legality of it all and having to go to court to proves their claims if they names names, well, if they've got accurate and true data, then AFAIK, the entity who looses a court case pays all legal fees etc., so no worries there.

    Just so you know, I'm actually for this company because I think it's cool how and what they're doing, just don't like people throwing out claims they can't or won't substantiate.

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    Just to provide a counterpoint to LyNx's typical aggro and contrarian attitude, your approach and confidence you have in it is landing very positively with me.
    If dingleberry wants to see another cartoon figure so he can then go about peeing all over it, he just wants to continue the paradigm that he so energetically complains about.
    Like I said... you've sold one pair of rims already... if you fill that Teocalli sweet spot with a product.
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    I'm interested in these rims.

    Do you guys sell to shops or only direct to consumer?

    I ask as my lil hole-in-the-wall town seems to have a plethora of enve clad road and xc rigs. Plus my Chinese carbon rim bikes and a few others on OG NOBLs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    I'm interested in these rims.

    Do you guys sell to shops or only direct to consumer?

    I ask as my lil hole-in-the-wall town seems to have a plethora of enve clad road and xc rigs. Plus my Chinese carbon rim bikes and a few others on OG NOBLs.
    Yes, we have a dealer application we can send you no problems. Just fire us an email to [email protected] and we will be happy to set you up.

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    Do you have bead hooks on the rims?
    I'm running a hookless carbon wheelset now, and I've noticed a very negative effect on tire security compared to my old alu wheelset with bead hooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Losvar View Post
    Do you have bead hooks on the rims?
    I'm running a hookless carbon wheelset now, and I've noticed a very negative effect on tire security compared to my old alu wheelset with bead hooks.
    Typically, most aluminum rims do not have the channels and humps to the same degree that carbon rims do, so when the tire bead stretches over these to lock in place, it's pretty darn secure. On aluminum rims, this interface is often much looser and they don't have as much freedom to design these shapes in due to the extruding of aluminum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Typically, most aluminum rims do not have the channels and humps to the same degree that carbon rims do, so when the tire bead stretches over these to lock in place, it's pretty darn secure. On aluminum rims, this interface is often much looser and they don't have as much freedom to design these shapes in due to the extruding of aluminum.
    My problem is that the tires seem to slip over the bead wall thingy on my carbon rims way too easy, and they aren't super shallow either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Losvar View Post
    My problem is that the tires seem to slip over the bead wall thingy on my carbon rims way too easy, and they aren't super shallow either.
    Can you share what rims you are running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Losvar View Post
    Do you have bead hooks on the rims?
    I'm running a hookless carbon wheelset now, and I've noticed a very negative effect on tire security compared to my old alu wheelset with bead hooks.
    There are many factors at play to successfully running a hookless bead system. Dimensions have to be super tight at the manufacturing phase of the rim. Once the rim turns into a wheel, a solid manufacturer will have accounted for expansion and shrinkage of the dimensions when the rims turn into wheels. This is sometimes a shortfall of some rims.
    If tight tolerances are followed, and then those are in turn then hand sanded and coated it makes everything fall out of whack. So there is an unknown if they will perform or not.
    Tubeless tape can play a huge factor in this as well. If your tape exceeds the bead bump and is smooth, you can aid in the burping of tires. Plus some tire manufacturers are not hookless capable.

    As I have noted, there are many factors at play and if you could share more info on your product you have, tubeless tape your running, how far past the bead bump your running your tape it could be a simple fix.

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    I have a set of Zelvy carbon rims, 30 mm internal width and was using 25 mm Orange tape. Blew my Continental Baron Projekt off the rim when seating the bead, pumped it up to 3 bar to sit for a while, then boom! Warped the casing on that tire, and had to retire it.

    I used to set up my tubeless tires the exact same way on my alu wheelset with no issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Losvar View Post
    I have a set of Zelvy carbon rims, 30 mm internal width and was using 25 mm Orange tape. Blew my Continental Baron Projekt off the rim when seating the bead, pumped it up to 3 bar to sit for a while, then boom! Warped the casing on that tire, and had to retire it.

    I used to set up my tubeless tires the exact same way on my alu wheelset with no issues.
    There is your problem right there. Continental does not work at all with Hookless rims. We tested all of there De Baron and De Kaiser tires and they all randomly blew off the rims. We have contacted Conti and they say that these tires are not hookless capable. Change tires and you will be in a much better light.

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    A damn shame really, those are both amazing tires.

    Do you have any plans for a lightweight trail wheelset in 29"?

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    Some great initial thoughts and photos on our Agent 27.5 wheels over at NSMB..com

    https://nsmb.com/articles/we-are-one-agent-wheelset/

    Look for MTBR.com thoughts soon as well.

    Cheers and hope the trails are running fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Losvar View Post
    A damn shame really, those are both amazing tires.

    Do you have any plans for a lightweight trail wheelset in 29"?
    Ya for sure it is a damn shame. I really enjoy the Der Kaiser tire. It has an amazing brake track and is an unreal shape on a wider rim. But I can only make it half a ride before the whole bead lets go. If you run tubes it will hold as the tube acts like a semi bead lock and holds the bead better. I hope one day soon they get this figured out as I really enjoy the Conti tires.

    We are working on our trail line as we speak. Look for a mid Sept-Early October launch.

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    We just launched out Hope hub addition to our Agent wheelset line today. Hope as you know has offered a great product at a competitive price for quite some time now. We are happy to bring this product to our wheel package and it has allowed us to shave some dollars and close the gap even further on price.
    Check it out below

    https://we-are-one-composites.odoo.c...eelset-hope-81

    https://we-are-one-composites.odoo.c...eelset-hope-79

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    Wow, $1500CAD which is like $1200USD...you guys are killing it!

    Going to be hard not to pick these up over the winter when the bank account recovers a bit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porch View Post
    Wow, $1500CAD which is like $1200USD...you guys are killing it!

    Going to be hard not to pick these up over the winter when the bank account recovers a bit...
    Cheers. We were able to finally secure a great line on the Hope product, and it has put us in an excellent position to launch a more price sensitive product line. Look forward to seeing you in the spring.

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    We are looking for some feedback from people on what hub we sell is currently sparking your interest, or if there are other hubs on the market you find to be a better selection. Head on over to our Facebook page and we'd love to hear what you think.

    https://www.facebook.com/weareonecom...30187720390908

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    I don't have FB so I'll leave my comment here.

    Onyx CentreLock hubs on WAO rims is what I'm after. In fact if my shop ever gets back to me that they set up an account with you guys that's exactly what they'll be building for my bike once I supply the hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    I don't have FB so I'll leave my comment here.

    Onyx CentreLock hubs on WAO rims is what I'm after. In fact if my shop ever gets back to me that they set up an account with you guys that's exactly what they'll be building for my bike once I supply the hubs.
    Onyx is a great hub, you will enjoy them without question. Let me know if I can help your shop get these rolling for you.
    What made you choose the Sprag system over a traditional hub?

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    If I were to get the P321 Agent wheelset in 15x100 12x142 (non-boost), are there boost adapters available to "Boostinate" later? If not, could this be done with the Hope Pro4's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagon650B View Post
    If I were to get the P321 Agent wheelset in 15x100 12x142 (non-boost), are there boost adapters available to "Boostinate" later? If not, could this be done with the Hope Pro4's
    From what I know Wolftooth has not offered the P321 or the Hope 4 Boostinator yet. The dish would be the big concern as the movement could be a bit much for the spoke length used. Being drilled 2mm offset that change could push the limit for sure.
    I would not recommend that option for either of the hubs we sell.

    However what I can offer is a hub swap for a nominal fee. We have offered our non-boost customers an upgrade to boost down the road for $75 per hub shell. The build can be done here in-house again, or we send you a new hub and retrieve the old one, and you can have a local shop or build them up yourself.

    Let me know if any of those options interest you and I would be happy to help.

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    Ok, thanks for info. Seems like a good option for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagon650B View Post
    Ok, thanks for info. Seems like a good option for sure.
    Ya, we think that is a fair way to support those caught up in the non-boost/boost product debate right now for sure.

    As for pricing on the two products, we have priced the Hope product based on our OEM costs and to be aggressive with that product offering. Buying Hope in Canadian Dollars vs. P321 in USD is also a factor we need to take into account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    We are looking for some feedback from people on what hub we sell is currently sparking your interest, or if there are other hubs on the market you find to be a better selection. Head on over to our Facebook page and we'd love to hear what you think.

    https://www.facebook.com/weareonecom...30187720390908
    Hope with color options. Posted same on Fb.
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    Personally, I don't see any need for others. P321 would be first choice, Hope Pro4 are a good deal! I'd just offer all colours in Project 321 and Hope vs adding more hub options, those are two solid options. Although, we all know you can never go wrong with DT Swiss 240, 350 hubs

    Maybe at some point could start offering spoke colour options. And maybe offer custom graphics option as well.
    Last edited by Wagon650B; 08-17-2017 at 01:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    Onyx is a great hub, you will enjoy them without question. Let me know if I can help your shop get these rolling for you.
    What made you choose the Sprag system over a traditional hub?
    Wanted to try something different. Actually this entire bike will be a lot of experimenting. Have something like three sets of 240s on different bikes currently. 340 and 350s on other bikes, a set of Hope on the DH bike. CK is a little too pretentious for my liking and besides DT doesn't seem to be many CL hub options out there right now. The one negative with CL DT hubs is one can only run 15mm axle up front. I want the ability to use either 15 or 20 and match!
    Haven't had any of the CL issues people complain about on forums and I've used SRAM IS-6 rotors with adaptors and Shimano CL rotors.

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    Saw a wheelset the other day at Calgary Cycle. Man do they look good. I was going to eventually spring for a set of Nobl's, but now I have these on my mind--especially now that a widely available hub option like Hope is included.

    One nerdy little thing I'd like to see is more decal colour options or perhaps let a company like slikgraphics take care of custom decals.

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    Any thoughts on offering a warranty to match Santa Cruz'?
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    Thanks for the kind comments. I know that once you have seen our products in person you will be sure to understand what we have created here and how much better the quality of the rims are.
    We are working on a colour pallet right now and can get custom graphics with no problems at all. We just need to know what you would like to get for background colour or what you want to match it to and we will make it happen.
    We are working on ironing out the details with a both a Canadian and US based custom decal partner that can handle these demands for us as well. This should be in place in a few weeks time.

    In the meantime, if you want something custom, please email [email protected] and it will be taken care of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoopow View Post
    Saw a wheelset the other day at Calgary Cycle. Man do they look good. I was going to eventually spring for a set of Nobl's, but now I have these on my mind--especially now that a widely available hub option like Hope is included.

    One nerdy little thing I'd like to see is more decal colour options or perhaps let a company like slikgraphics take care of custom decals.

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    If you read the warranty claims that SC had produced in their launch to what they are offering now, the tone has changed. Instead of over promising and under delivering, we have our "no questions asked" warranty in place and will cover rim damage for 60 months. We send out a new rim to the original customer and ensure they have the chance to get back on their bike as fast as we can.
    Our warranty does not cover building the new wheel, or any wear parts as these are not something we manufacture and are wear parts.

    We feal this is a very fair deal and shows we are invested into our customers interests and want them to know we have their back once they buy our products. We have not waivered on this and will continue to ensure it is the case when one of our brothers has an issue.

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    Any thoughts on offering a warranty to match Santa Cruz'?

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    how tf does the 27.5 set weight 1800 grams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    how tf does the 27.5 set weight 1800 grams?
    480g per rim
    64 sapim spokes and probably some brass nips
    project 321 hubset - 175g f 275g r

    seems pretty believable.....

    The rims are not lightweight, but so far they appear to be durable - as a small startup they need durability on their side - they can not afford to have lots of warranty claims.

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    I put my money where my mouth is. LBS is ordering two Agent 29 rims to build up

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    480g per rim
    64 sapim spokes and probably some brass nips
    project 321 hubset - 175g f 275g r

    seems pretty believable.....

    The rims are not lightweight, but so far they appear to be durable - as a small startup they need durability on their side - they can not afford to have lots of warranty claims.
    durability is great. I guess for the price, the value is there. I guess I'm spoiled by ENVE, E13, and Rovals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    durability is great. I guess for the price, the value is there. I guess I'm spoiled by ENVE, E13, and Rovals.
    I know the weight for some is a hard one to swallow. But The Agent is not your typical rim made for all mountain trail riding. It is designed to be the toughest Enduro rim on the market bar none. We have added our Outlier DH rim to the fold and are now in the midst of testing and perfecting our lighter weight rims that will be ready spring of 2018.


    We want to make sure that all of our products hit the market without any possible hick-ups. They all have to be tested and ensure that we have achieved our level of quality. This takes time, and we needed to make choices on which one we should start with. The Agent line was our initial section to hit the market with to prove Carbon is a great choice for strength and that you can engineer in ride characteristics that make the wheel better than anything else on the market.


    This next round of rims is testing very well, and we are shaving some serious grams to hit the lighter weights. If you laced The Agents with some lighter spokes, you can lose serious grams there and get them into the 1725g range as a wheel. Our target with the next rim is to have a 1575-1625g wheelset out of the box.

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    I'm pretty stoked about We Are One wheels! The impact resistance claims and the warranty to back it up have sold me. The only company I know of that has a comparable warranty sells their rims at a price point that is unimaginable to me. I just put in an order today, so WAO wheels are soon to be seen in Southern Mississippi!

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    We wanted to share a quick little edit showing how one of our Agent carbon hoops are made. People often ask how much labor goes into a carbon rim, and we hope this shows just the layup process part of what goes on.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzhoLicnG5M&t=1s

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    Placed an order for a pair of the Agent's with P321 earlier this week. Stoked to get on a good set of wheels. Some hand made in Canada wheels for my handmade bike.

    I've been running some light alloy rims that just have not been up to the task the last few seasons. In defense of the other rims they are squarely aimed at the light trail category and putting them through things like the Whistler EWS, North Shore, and the WBP was outside their intended use.

    Kinda bummed to read that the Conti tires don't play nice with hookless beads tubeless, I guess the set of Mountain King's I have coming will get tubes. Not a big deal as I have been running tubes again due to the amount of damage in the alloy rims. Hopefully Conti get's it sorted and makes changes to the bead.

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    These wheels tick a lot of boxes for me. They look very promising and I am quite happy to support them.
    The one question I have is why are the P321 wheels almost $700 Cdn more than the Hope wheelset (at full price)? It seems a little high when the P321 hubs are only about $400 at the most more expensive than Hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rugbyred View Post
    These wheels tick a lot of boxes for me. They look very promising and I am quite happy to support them.
    The one question I have is why are the P321 wheels almost $700 Cdn more than the Hope wheelset (at full price)? It seems a little high when the P321 hubs are only about $400 at the most more expensive than Hope.
    Stoked that we are ticking some boxes for you. The price gap between our products has everything to do with how we purchase our hubs. Hope is supplied in Canada at a great rate and we buy in Canadian dollars. P321 we do not buy as aggressively and we pay in USD, pay duties, and shipping. It all adds up.
    The P321 wheel price is very attractive if you compare it to others on the market as well.

    I hope that helps explain the gap.

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    Totally makes sense from that explanation, just doesnít make sense for my pocket book. Iíll need to put the four kids on rations and scrimp a little to save up. Iíll also need to figure out a way to hide some of the purchase price but asking for forgiveness is always easier than asking for permission!
    I read somewhere (maybe this thread) that you offer a really good deal for your customers a hub swap program if they switch bikes and need boost hubs. Is that still true and is it for both brands of hubs?
    Eric

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    I was going to wait until spring, But I just ordered a set because I couldnít say no their Black Friday deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoopow View Post
    I was going to wait until spring, But I just ordered a set because I couldnít say no their Black Friday deal
    ^^ This. Very much didn't plan to pull the trigger just yet but now I'm really looking forward to riding my christmas gift to myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by rugbyred View Post
    Totally makes sense from that explanation, just doesnít make sense for my pocket book. Iíll need to put the four kids on rations and scrimp a little to save up. Iíll also need to figure out a way to hide some of the purchase price but asking for forgiveness is always easier than asking for permission!
    I read somewhere (maybe this thread) that you offer a really good deal for your customers a hub swap program if they switch bikes and need boost hubs. Is that still true and is it for both brands of hubs?
    Eric
    Make sure to take care of your family first Eric. I would hate to have you starve your children in order to get yourself some carbon wheels.
    We currently do not offer any kind of hub shell swap if you change your hub spec's form one bike to the next. I think there are some hub companies looking to offer this to their customers. As we are customers of the hub manufacturers much like you are...we would love for them to come up with a solution for this SKU nightmare all of us are currently involved in as well. Who knows...maybe one day soon we will have that control....says the little birdy

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    Thanks for clearing up the hub info. Iíd love to find where I read it.
    As for the family starving, the four of them are growing way to fast. Maybe is they ate a little less, they would slow down. My eldest has grown over and inch in the past 4 months.
    Looking forward to seeing what kind of hub you guys are going to produce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    I know the weight for some is a hard one to swallow. But The Agent is not your typical rim made for all mountain trail riding. It is designed to be the toughest Enduro rim on the market bar none. We have added our Outlier DH rim to the fold and are now in the midst of testing and perfecting our lighter weight rims that will be ready spring of 2018.


    We want to make sure that all of our products hit the market without any possible hick-ups. They all have to be tested and ensure that we have achieved our level of quality. This takes time, and we needed to make choices on which one we should start with. The Agent line was our initial section to hit the market with to prove Carbon is a great choice for strength and that you can engineer in ride characteristics that make the wheel better than anything else on the market.


    This next round of rims is testing very well, and we are shaving some serious grams to hit the lighter weights. If you laced The Agents with some lighter spokes, you can lose serious grams there and get them into the 1725g range as a wheel. Our target with the next rim is to have a 1575-1625g wheelset out of the box.
    I am excited to find out about the new lighter rims, lighter sounds better to me, the 1800g scares me away, as does the noise from a Hope or I9. I am interested in a more all mountain rim as opposed to a heavy Enduro rim. Also very interested in the Onxy hubs, I understand they are also working on a lighter version for their hubs as well. Hopefully everything will be available before spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by critterdesign View Post
    I am excited to find out about the new lighter rims, lighter sounds better to me, the 1800g scares me away, as does the noise from a Hope or I9. I am interested in a more all mountain rim as opposed to a heavy Enduro rim. Also very interested in the Onxy hubs, I understand they are also working on a lighter version for their hubs as well. Hopefully, everything will be available before spring.
    The Agent rim is our specific enduro rim that can be pushed to the extreme. With the right spoke package and hub set it can be light. We have laced them up 32 and 28 hole to DT240's and achieved low 1600g numbers.
    The new rim is right around the corner and is designed to be an AM/Trail rim. The weights will drop as will the internal width. Our expected target for the 27.5 is 390-400g and 29er 420-430g.

    Currently, we have been testing our new 29er laced 32 hole and CXRay spokes at a wheelset weight of 1557g. The same set up on 27.5 is 1475g.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    The Agent rim is our specific enduro rim that can be pushed to the extreme. With the right spoke package and hub set it can be light. We have laced them up 32 and 28 hole to DT240's and achieved low 1600g numbers.
    The new rim is right around the corner and is designed to be an AM/Trail rim. The weights will drop as will the internal width. Our expected target for the 27.5 is 390-400g and 29er 420-430g.

    Currently, we have been testing our new 29er laced 32 hole and CXRay spokes at a wheelset weight of 1557g. The same set up on 27.5 is 1475g.

    Cheers
    I was looking to purchase a wheelset for a while and would be interested in some of those DT wheels... Or at a least CX-Ray spoke option and 28/32 hole option too... something like that popped up a few days ago with multiple unlisted colour options but was soon gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    The Agent rim is our specific enduro rim that can be pushed to the extreme. With the right spoke package and hub set it can be light. We have laced them up 32 and 28 hole to DT240's and achieved low 1600g numbers.
    The new rim is right around the corner and is designed to be an AM/Trail rim. The weights will drop as will the internal width. Our expected target for the 27.5 is 390-400g and 29er 420-430g.

    Currently, we have been testing our new 29er laced 32 hole and CXRay spokes at a wheelset weight of 1557g. The same set up on 27.5 is 1475g.

    Cheers
    looking forward to the new Am/Trail rims, what is the Internal width going to be on these new rims?

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    Yall clearly state on the website "WHAT YOU SEE IS PERFECTION AND THE HIGHEST QUALITY RIM ON THE MARKET"

    What makes your rim better than rims that are twice the price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Yall clearly state on the website "WHAT YOU SEE IS PERFECTION AND THE HIGHEST QUALITY RIM ON THE MARKET"

    What makes your rim better than rims that are twice the price?
    For me the fact that they cost half as much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterBaker View Post
    For me the fact that they cost half as much!
    It doesn't say "for the price"

    It says the best.

    I've owned Reynolds, Enve, Roval, and E13 carbon. Why are these better than those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    It doesn't say "for the price"

    It says the best.

    I've owned Reynolds, Enve, Roval, and E13 carbon. Why are these better than those?

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    Thanks for your question.

    Why we are claiming our rim is the best carbon rim on the market is for many reasons. Our process allows for the most accurately made rim, with the highest degree of finish quality. If you have seen our rim in person, being that you have owned all of the listed rims above, you will notice this as the immediate difference.
    Inside the layup, our process allows for perfectly placed layup schedules that do not rely on flowing materials into any part of our rim design. This process creates perfect replication and removes any doubt of inconsistencies from 1 rim to the next.
    All of our manufactured products are made in small batches and are only for us. We do not make rims for other companies or have our focus drift from 1 production run to another. All of our staff are dedicated to just manufacturing our products. This ensures high quality and consistency.
    Also, our fiber is of the highest quality and is only available to the North American market. We had to sign miles of paperwork that allowed us to use our prepreg, and part of it was to guarantee we did not sell it to Asia. We worked with our fiber supplier and their engineers to produce the best case raw good for our production.

    We make such claims because we have seen, experienced, and tested what is currently on the market and if there was a head to head test with anyone's comparable rim and wheel system, we feel we would win that bet. This is why be back our wheels with a 5-year warranty and aim to support our customers as lifelong supporters of what we do and offer the market.

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    The DH rim is coming soon right?

    I could use a set for my DH rig. Would be the perfect test bike for some new rims, as my other bikes are already decked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    It doesn't say "for the price"

    It says the best.

    I've owned Reynolds, Enve, Roval, and E13 carbon. Why are these better than those?

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    This is a pretty loaded question and one that Dustin did a very good job at explaining. I'll add my $.02 about what I have seen and experienced in the industry as relating to carbon rims.

    Most carbon rim manufacturing is done overseas, and for the most part, they do a pretty decent job. As long as companies are willing to put in the time, money and effort to make several QC trips to China and Taiwan every year, they will likely have a product that turns out well. On that point, its hard to keep your eyes on the product 100% of the time if you live in the US or Canada and have rims made halfway around the world, which leaves room for error and problems.

    The one thing that sets the WR1 rims apart from the rest is them being able to have their eyes on the product 100% of the time from start to finish. Every single one of their rims is made in-house in Canada by actual Canadians! If there is a problem that is identified, it can be immediately identified and removed from the lot. There is no waiting for the container to ship from China or finding QC issues once you open up the shipping container.

    The one thing that Dustin didn't mention was that him and the rest of the crew at WR1 absolutely rip! I would wager a guess that they are harder on wheels and faster than anyone you ride with or know. These guys built a product that can survive them. I know that if these rims can survive the WR1 crew, I know that they will survive for my customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    This is a pretty loaded question and one that Dustin did a very good job at explaining. I'll add my $.02 about what I have seen and experienced in the industry as relating to carbon rims.

    Most carbon rim manufacturing is done overseas, and for the most part, they do a pretty decent job. As long as companies are willing to put in the time, money and effort to make several QC trips to China and Taiwan every year, they will likely have a product that turns out well. On that point, its hard to keep your eyes on the product 100% of the time if you live in the US or Canada and have rims made halfway around the world, which leaves room for error and problems.

    The one thing that sets the WR1 rims apart from the rest is them being able to have their eyes on the product 100% of the time from start to finish. Every single one of their rims is made in-house in Canada by actual Canadians! If there is a problem that is identified, it can be immediately identified and removed from the lot. There is no waiting for the container to ship from China or finding QC issues once you open up the shipping container.

    The one thing that Dustin didn't mention was that him and the rest of the crew at WR1 absolutely rip! I would wager a guess that they are harder on wheels and faster than anyone you ride with or know. These guys built a product that can survive them. I know that if these rims can survive the WR1 crew, I know that they will survive for my customers.

    The 5 year warranty doesn't hurt either

    Well put. It is a bit of a loaded question, but, I feel when you claim to be the best, with no exceptions, you'd better be willing to back it up.

    I appreciate that its made by rippers. I'm not the most gnarly guy I know (I know some fast M'Fers), but I have the worst reputation with wheels, at 200lb and run my suspension hard and high, I have a tendency to bust wheels.

    Definitely need a set. My favorite wheel is the Enves (even though I broke one) because the finish is gorgeous, and the wheel is crazy stiff. I hope these are even better.

    Any preference for nipples on these? Alloy, brass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Well put. It is a bit of a loaded question, but, I feel when you claim to be the best, with no exceptions, you'd better be willing to back it up.

    I appreciate that its made by rippers. I'm not the most gnarly guy I know (I know some fast M'Fers), but I have the worst reputation with wheels, at 200lb and run my suspension hard and high, I have a tendency to bust wheels.

    Definitely need a set. My favorite wheel is the Enves (even though I broke one) because the finish is gorgeous, and the wheel is crazy stiff. I hope these are even better.

    Any preference for nipples on these? Alloy, brass?
    I prefer either Lilly Precision alloy nips or the double square from Sapim. If you want flashy colors, the Lilly nips are King! Plus, they are 7075 alloy which makes them extremely strong and corrosion resistant

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    I prefer either Lilly Precision alloy nips or the double square from Sapim. If you want flashy colors, the Lilly nips are King! Plus, they are 7075 alloy which makes them extremely strong and corrosion resistant

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    Where do you find Lilly nipples?

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    Call Jason Lilly directly. He mainly deals with wholesale accounts and wheel builders, but I am sure he would help you out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    Call Jason Lilly directly. He mainly deals with wholesale accounts and wheel builders, but I am sure he would help you out.

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    I've heard this from another builder also. Good tip on the contact info, I've seen photos, amazing colors.

    Tend to prefer black nips lately sadly. Big fan of DTs squorx nipples. Great when your spokes are a tad long, and faster to tension up imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    I've heard this from another builder also. Good tip on the contact info, I've seen photos, amazing colors.

    Tend to prefer black nips lately sadly. Big fan of DTs squorx nipples. Great when your spokes are a tad long, and faster to tension up imo

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    We find that the Sapim or DT Squorx to be a superior nipple for our builds as well. The additional conical head shape perfectly seats the nipple in and allows the articulation of the nipple a bit better than a standard nipple as well.

    As for the DH rim....it is ready to roll. Shoot me an email if you are keen to get a set in advance of the product launch.

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    would love to, but it'll have to wait. working on buying a house this month $$$$$

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    would love to, but it'll have to wait. working on buying a house this month $$$$$
    EEEEK!!!! I hope it all works out for you! Let us know when the house warming party is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by InertiaMan View Post
    Is this professionalism? Or a bike industry code of silence?

    The marketplace is full of direct comparisons between competitors. The bike industry, less so. Essentially, you are telling your potential customers that it is more important that you not create friction with your competitors than to be transparent and data-showing with your customers.

    Is it really a dis-service to the bike world if you show your $425 rim surviving potentially destructive tests that are representative of aggressive riding, while showing a $1000 Envy rim fail the same? There is a case to made that it would benefit your business.

    I like your design philosophy and hope you succeed, and I'm not suggesting you're lying about your data. But don't expect to get the same credibility with claims supported by hidden/secret data as you would with claims supported by public data.
    How many companies do that?
    Can you show me a comparison from the manufacturer of your frame to other frames? Or any other component on the bike?

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    Good job!

    Dang!!! Cannot wait to see the build complete!!!

    Please forward some photos when you have it all done. [email protected]

    Cheers and welcome to The Movement

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    Dang!!! Cannot wait to see the build complete!!!

    Please forward some photos when you have it all done. [email protected]

    Cheers and welcome to The Movement
    Thanks!!!
    I'll make sure to send photos of the completed build.
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    WR1, any release date or for that matter, a lighter version of the 29er Agent?

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    We have been in pre-production of our new XC/AM rim and will be releasing it here shortly. It is a 27mm internal rim with a 33mm external width. They come in both 27.5 and 29 and the weights are 400g for the 27.5 and 420g for the 29.

    We will have some new hub options that will be announced as well.

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    I noticed on the WR1 website, the warranty was upgraded to a lifetime no questions presumably to match SCs warranty. Awesome!

    I wonder if this retroactive to current owners.

    Also, i9, Onyx, DT and King hub options have shown up for the Agent. Also,Insider and Outlier splash pages are now up.

    Exciting times for WR1!

    I wish I could ride my set, but the Southern Alberta winter allows only me to admire the finish until I can drive out to Vancouver in March.

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    Anything coming with internal width in the 33-35 mm range ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoopow View Post
    I noticed on the WR1 website, the warranty was upgraded to a lifetime no questions presumably to match SCs warranty. Awesome!

    I wonder if this retroactive to current owners.

    Also, i9, Onyx, DT and King hub options have shown up for the Agent. Also, Insider and Outlier splash pages are now up.

    Exciting times for WR1!

    I wish I could ride my set, but the Southern Alberta winter allows only me to admire the finish until I can drive out to Vancouver in March.
    Cheers for posting this. We've been working hard on the additions to our lineup. Through our testing, we were having some great gains and are confident we can offer the lifetime warranty. The new rims and wheels are live.

    We've added a whole host of popular hub offerings, new decal designs, and two new rims.

    Look for our press release here shortly. In the meantime, I am happy to chat about the new rims if anyone has questions.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBaldBlur View Post
    Anything coming with internal width in the 33-35 mm range ?
    We are working on a wider format rim. We've been riding 27.5 plus tires on the 30mm Agent in 2.8 and are happy with the performance and tire profile it gives. We found that the thinner cases are causing some rollover and this spurred us to get rolling on the plus rim. We are currently in R&D and have some unique plans for this rim. Target width will be 35-37mm we think.

    Stay tuned.

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    Just picked up a set of Agents with Hopes for my Yeti Sb5.5. Replacing DT E1900.

    I have one ride up here in Tahoe and so far and it's a huge upgrade:

    --substantially lighter feeling bike (haven't weighed yet, and probably won't)
    --snappier accelaration
    --Hope hubs are a big upgrade over my OEM hubs
    --Wider rim profile for better traction

    I have Minions mounted up front and rear (DHF's) with a 2.5 in the front and a 2.3 in the rear. I'll update with some pics when the sun warms things up a bit. Nothing flashy with colors though...pretty stealth.

    FYI--The Backcountry in Truckee has a couple sets of We Are Ones for Demo...Great shop to work with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    Dang!!! Cannot wait to see the build complete!!!

    Please forward some photos when you have it all done. [email protected]

    Cheers and welcome to The Movement
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    Here's a few teaser shots...


    Will follow up with the full set via email.
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    Beauty.

    Need to see a full profile shot!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbine_275 View Post
    Dustin,
    Here's a few teaser shots...


    Will follow up with the full set via email.
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    mixy matching tires. hows the purgatory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    mixy matching tires. hows the purgatory?
    I haven't had a chance to try out this combo on the trails yet, but I'm hoping that it matches my experience with the Purgatory on other bikes. I've got the same combo on my Django 29er, and it works for me there, so I expect more of the same with the HD3.

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    After what seemed like forever (2 weeks) I got something in the mail today and wasted no time getting them set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryjay View Post
    After what seemed like forever (2 weeks) I got something in the mail today and wasted no time getting them set up.

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    I just got a set too! Got one short ride in on them as the weather is crap.
    Seriously one of the easiest tubeless setups I've ever done. 2.5 WT Minions went on tool free.

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    Too scared to run carbon....only weigh 120lbs. ride a 26er with Rohloff....multiple dings in rear rims. Wide rims seem to be the worst.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladljon View Post
    Too scared to run carbon....only weigh 120lbs. ride a 26er with Rohloff....multiple dings in rear rims. Wide rims seem to be the worst.....
    So I have to ask..is this a joke? Apologies if not. Iím 190-195 (down from 220ish). Been riding wer1 agents for ~ 6 months and never have I been Ďscaredí. Dings, scratchesósure...kinda comes with the territory. But theyíre awesome. Gnarly descents = Went with rims only and laced them to hope pro 4 hubs and Sapim race spokes. First MTB carbon wheelset, but pleased to say the least.


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    No joke...when I went to 2.1 and 2.4 tires running the same 18-22psi, started dinging rims bad. Went with 35mm wide rims, got worst. Back to 1.7 tires...all better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladljon View Post
    No joke...when I went to 2.1 and 2.4 tires running the same 18-22psi, started dinging rims bad. Went with 35mm wide rims, got worst. Back to 1.7 tires...all better.
    This one is a better joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasec79 View Post
    So I have to ask..is this a joke?
    I kinda wondered the same thing.... then I just moved on

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    hi every one,

    Does anyone have ridden santa cruz reserve wheels? i cant decide between the agent and the reserve! i have riden enve m60 and i like how they feel but the exaggerated price and no life time warranty makes them a no no. any help will be appreciated, thanks

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    I'm planning my next build (Knolly Fugitive LT) and your rims are on my short list of considerations. For me, the Insiders' internal width seems just fine, but I'm worried about strength compared to the Agent. I am not a super fast enduro racer and I am not a big huckster, just a guy in his mid 30s that likes to go pretty fast, take some drops and little jumps here and there and not worry about breaking his rims. I'm 200lbs geared up, and I ride some very rocky trails, but with reasonable tire pressure. So, how strong is the Insider compared to the Agent?

    I looked for this info on the website, but didn't see it - please just point it out if it is there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by inonjoey View Post
    I'm planning my next build (Knolly Fugitive LT) and your rims are on my short list of considerations. For me, the Insiders' internal width seems just fine, but I'm worried about strength compared to the Agent. I am not a super fast enduro racer and I am not a big huckster, just a guy in his mid 30s that likes to go pretty fast, take some drops and little jumps here and there and not worry about breaking his rims. I'm 200lbs geared up, and I ride some very rocky trails, but with reasonable tire pressure. So, how strong is the Insider compared to the Agent?

    I looked for this info on the website, but didn't see it - please just point it out if it is there!
    Thanks for the consideration for your next wheel choice. We have designed The Insider to be an XC/AM/Trail (and all the other segments that are below enduro ugh.....
    That being said, the classification was not because of strength, it was because of tire size due to the 27mm rim width.
    If you were to take into consideration the overall weight reduction of The Insider and the impact strength it takes, it is actually on par with The Agent. There is a 13% reduction in radial stiffness with The Insider and almost equal drop in lateral stiffness as well.
    I would not shy away from the overall strength of The Insider at all. We have all put this rim through the paces here and are very happy with the way it has performed. I am confident you will find it will perform very well for your needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    Thanks for the consideration for your next wheel choice. We have designed The Insider to be an XC/AM/Trail (and all the other segments that are below enduro ugh.....
    That being said, the classification was not because of strength, it was because of tire size due to the 27mm rim width.
    If you were to take into consideration the overall weight reduction of The Insider and the impact strength it takes, it is actually on par with The Agent. There is a 13% reduction in radial stiffness with The Insider and almost equal drop in lateral stiffness as well.
    I would not shy away from the overall strength of The Insider at all. We have all put this rim through the paces here and are very happy with the way it has performed. I am confident you will find it will perform very well for your needs.

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    Thanks for the reply - exactly the information I was looking for.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fedfox View Post
    hi every one,

    Does anyone have ridden santa cruz reserve wheels? i cant decide between the agent and the reserve! i have riden enve m60 and i like how they feel but the exaggerated price and no life time warranty makes them a no no. any help will be appreciated, thanks

    Fedfox
    I have some Reserve 30s on my Wreckoning, and love them. Currently based whats available and warranties, I'd only get the reserves or these WR1s.

    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    Thanks for the consideration for your next wheel choice. We have designed The Insider to be an XC/AM/Trail (and all the other segments that are below enduro ugh.....
    That being said, the classification was not because of strength, it was because of tire size due to the 27mm rim width.
    If you were to take into consideration the overall weight reduction of The Insider and the impact strength it takes, it is actually on par with The Agent. There is a 13% reduction in radial stiffness with The Insider and almost equal drop in lateral stiffness as well.
    I would not shy away from the overall strength of The Insider at all. We have all put this rim through the paces here and are very happy with the way it has performed. I am confident you will find it will perform very well for your needs.

    Cheers

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    That's also a question I had been meaning to ask, and thanks for the explanation. I probably would have considered the Agents had I known more about your brand before I purchased the ones referenced above. I'm definitely interested in an Insider/240 set for my xc/trail bike. Now I just gotta find some cash (or a coupon code ).

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    Great product built by amazing people. Service after sale is the best Iíve ever dealt with. Buy these suport the people not the man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grrrah View Post
    I have some Reserve 30s on my Wreckoning, and love them. Currently based whats available and warranties, I'd only get the reserves or these WR1s.



    That's also a question I had been meaning to ask, and thanks for the explanation. I probably would have considered the Agents had I known more about your brand before I purchased the ones referenced above. I'm definitely interested in an Insider/240 set for my xc/trail bike. Now I just gotta find some cash (or a coupon code ).
    Thanks for the consideration and we are happy to know we are on your radar. We are growing slowly and ensuring quality and customer service remain top notch. Feel free to reach out when you have any questions or are ready for those Insider wheels. I will be sure to take care of you.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by chops-bike View Post
    Great product built by amazing people. Service after sale is the best Iíve ever dealt with. Buy these suport the people not the man.
    Stoked to hear we hit the mark. We aim high and try our best to keep working hard, and customers stoked.

    I'll let the crew know how happy you are. They always enjoy hearing positive vibes.

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    The lifetime warranty definitely was the tipping point for me. Now if I can just find $1300 in my couch cushions....

    Seriously though...a set of your wheels will be my next big bike related purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    The lifetime warranty definitely was the tipping point for me. Now if I can just find $1300 in my couch cushions....

    Seriously though...a set of your wheels will be my next big bike related purchase.
    We'll be here when you are ready!

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    Well, I bit the bullet and ordered up some Insider wheels last Sat with 240 hubs and 36T engagement. I have yet to see a review or any feedback on the Insider so I appear to be one of the first. I did call before ordering and was impressed with the customer service. If the wheels are as good as the phone skills they will be great! Hopefully they will be coming soon. LMK if you want any feedback. I am pushing it a little by mounting they up to some 2.6 tires. With a 27mm internal it may be interesting. I really wanted something in the 1,500 g weight and these fit the bill. More to follow once they are received and ridden. Fingers and toes crossed.

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    Just to piggyback on this thread, rode my Agents hard this past month. Got one pretty gnarly enduro race in on them as well. Definitely took a few hard hits to say the least. Threw them in the stand this week and they are straight as an arrow, no need to true anything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckeemtb View Post
    Well, I bit the bullet and ordered up some Insider wheels last Sat with 240 hubs and 36T engagement. I have yet to see a review or any feedback on the Insider so I appear to be one of the first. I did call before ordering and was impressed with the customer service. If the wheels are as good as the phone skills they will be great! Hopefully they will be coming soon. LMK if you want any feedback. I am pushing it a little by mounting they up to some 2.6 tires. With a 27mm internal it may be interesting. I really wanted something in the 1,500 g weight and these fit the bill. More to follow once they are received and ridden. Fingers and toes crossed.
    I've got about 200 hard miles on my Insiders so far including one tough race and they are doing great. I have the 240 hubs and cx-ray spokes and 2.35 tires. I am happy so far. I agree their customer service is top notch.

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    How do you think they will work with 2.6 tires? Worst case I keep the stock heavy 35mm internals on the Mach 5.5 I ordered and run some 2.35 / 2.4 HR2 and DHF's on the WR1 setup.

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    Interested in seeing the review from TruckeeMTB as well. If he rides and lives in truckee then he is in my backyard and I will be considering these for my 40th bday build next year. $450/ea is a tough pill to swallow but if the CS and warranty and ride are what everyone states then I am happy to find the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Interested in seeing the review from TruckeeMTB as well. If he rides and lives in truckee then he is in my backyard and I will be considering these for my 40th bday build next year. $450/ea is a tough pill to swallow but if the CS and warranty and ride are what everyone states then I am happy to find the money.
    Will let you know soon, new bike and wheels should be here by next week if everything goes according to plan (which it rarely does). Trails are already dry and still covered in snow. Been riding daily. Will do a semi full report. I have ridden a number of Enve's, Roval's, Reynolds and others. All were OK but some just didn't wow me (for the money).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckeemtb View Post
    Will let you know soon, new bike and wheels should be here by next week if everything goes according to plan (which it rarely does). Trails are already dry and still covered in snow. Been riding daily. Will do a semi full report. I have ridden a number of Enve's, Roval's, Reynolds and others. All were OK but some just didn't wow me (for the money).
    Thanks dude much appreciated. May have to hook up with you at some point for a ride as I am a person that likes to see things first hand if I can. Trails in Carson are completely dry and awesome right now, so if you have a hankering take the hour trip into town, sample the trails, local beers and food! Hit me up if you want some company as my house is literally 2 miles from Ash Canyon Trail Head.

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    How do you think they will work with 2.6 tires? Worst case I keep the stock heavy 35mm internals on the Mach 5.5 I ordered and run some 2.35 / 2.4 HR2 and DHF's on the WR1 setup.
    I don't have a great answer for you on that as I have never even used anything bigger than a 2.4. I am using a 2.35 now and I think you could go a tad bigger, so a 2.6 would probably work. I would ask Dustin (founder I think) what he thinks and go with his recommendation. He seemed to be very knowledgeable about this kind of stuff and I trust his opinion a lot more than my own. Heck I bet they have even tested your exact tire combination or something very similar to it already.

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    Would love to sync up with ya, always up for riding. Never actually ridden Ash Canyon is soooooo far away, probably a whole hour! Heaps of trails up here. Waiting on rims and new bike.

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    Hello WeAreOne. Do you have any plans to make molded plastic/rubber rim strips for your rims to seal the rim and replace the need for rim tape? Similar to what Enve uses on their M7 series rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckeemtb View Post
    Would love to sync up with ya, always up for riding. Never actually ridden Ash Canyon is soooooo far away, probably a whole hour! Heaps of trails up here. Waiting on rims and new bike.
    It's all about the riding dude! Worth it to take a trip and try something different, you have a lot more locally than I do, so definitely easier for you to stick there. All good, hit me up if you change your mind, will even invite my buddy that used to be a Truckee-ite.

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    Iíve got some Insiders too. Have about 100 miles on them so far. Iíve had Derby, Nox and Enve rims and the WR1ís are comparable in quality (or better) in every way. Have mine laced to P321 quiet hubs with Sapim Race spokes. Stiff in the way youíd want but not overly so. Great product guys!


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    Quote Originally Posted by KoolGrandWizardLuke View Post
    Hello WeAreOne. Do you have any plans to make molded plastic/rubber rim strips for your rims to seal the rim and replace the need for rim tape? Similar to what Enve uses on their M7 series rims.
    This is a great idea, and we would love to solve the problem of tubeless tape. We are continuing our development on bettering this with a unique solution. We have not come to an answer yet, but it is in the works.

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    Well it was a good day for me, my Mach 5.5 got built up and as soon as I got home from the shop my WR1 wheels showed up. They are pretty gorgeous and pretty light (Insiders) they are now mounted up tubeless and think they will be fine with the 2.6 tires. Easy to get the bead to seal. Keeping the stock 35mm internal wheels as a backup and just in case they don't work well with this tire size. Also to sell with the bike when I sell the bike and keep the WR1's. The rim tape was nice, valves, stickers etc. My only issue and it's likely my fault is that the 240's were 6 bolt not center lock. I don't see a place on the website to specify. So I bit another bullet and bought some new rotors. Any, it's raining here but will take a quick ride and test everything out.

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    So quick rip on the new bike with new wheels. Hard to judge since everything is new. That being said the Insider's seem to feel good and snappy, not too stiff and didn't feel roll or have any issues with running the 2.6 rubber. I like the mostly quiet 240's over the I9's. Granted I have had 240's on 3 other bikes so it's personal preference. 36t engagement is perfect but it's also what I am used to. Will update with more riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckeemtb View Post
    So quick rip on the new bike with new wheels. Hard to judge since everything is new. That being said the Insider's seem to feel good and snappy, not too stiff and didn't feel roll or have any issues with running the 2.6 rubber. I like the mostly quiet 240's over the I9's. Granted I have had 240's on 3 other bikes so it's personal preference. 36t engagement is perfect but it's also what I am used to. Will update with more riding.
    Sweet! Post up some pics of the new whip and wheels. Hoping to get a bit of a dry spell down here tonight so I can get out on the bike, crashed on Monday in Chico and so gave myself a couple days to recuperate but body is still pretty sore. I am so rough on my bikes I always shy away from carbon, already had two friends that I bike with on a regular basis crack their carbon rims here in Carson. One is a no go failure, the other he is riding out until it has a catastrophic failure as the crack started small but expands a little each ride.

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    It's been raining here but the dirt is perfect. 2 rides in 2 days of ownership, will ride again today or tomorrow and this weekend. 2nd ride I was feeling for comfortable with the bike. I feel it rails the corners weeks and has enough internal width to support the 2.6 tires with the Insider 27 internals. Going to do a demo soon with my friend that just got a Mach 5.5 with the Reynolds wheels 35 internal. Some bike and tire setup so it should be interesting. I will throw some calipers on as well. With the Insider's the 2.6 Maxxis DHF up front comes out to about 2.55 inches and the rear Recons at 2.5. It's hard to say if this is due to the narrower internal rim or just tire sizing. This is at 22 psi in the front and 20 in the back. I have heard the Recons are smaller than 2.6 on all rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Sweet! Post up some pics of the new whip and wheels. Hoping to get a bit of a dry spell down here tonight so I can get out on the bike, crashed on Monday in Chico and so gave myself a couple days to recuperate but body is still pretty sore. I am so rough on my bikes I always shy away from carbon, already had two friends that I bike with on a regular basis crack their carbon rims here in Carson. One is a no go failure, the other he is riding out until it has a catastrophic failure as the crack started small but expands a little each ride.
    What rims are you're friends riding?
    actually I hear and see similar results from carbon rims all the time here in Colorado.
    I remain confident that we are dealing with the best product and most importantly the best customer service in the industry.
    we will let you know how they ride when I receive mine and can test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckeemtb View Post
    It's been raining here but the dirt is perfect. 2 rides in 2 days of ownership, will ride again today or tomorrow and this weekend. 2nd ride I was feeling for comfortable with the bike. I feel it rails the corners weeks and has enough internal width to support the 2.6 tires with the Insider 27 internals. Going to do a demo soon with my friend that just got a Mach 5.5 with the Reynolds wheels 35 internal. Some bike and tire setup so it should be interesting. I will throw some calipers on as well. With the Insider's the 2.6 Maxxis DHF up front comes out to about 2.55 inches and the rear Recons at 2.5. It's hard to say if this is due to the narrower internal rim or just tire sizing. This is at 22 psi in the front and 20 in the back. I have heard the Recons are smaller than 2.6 on all rims.
    Great to hear you are testing the 2.6 tires on The Insider. I am personally giving the 2.8 Minion DHF a go on the same rim. We are weighing in our decision to build a plus rim...and at this point I am not convinced that you need a 35-45mm wide rim to take advantage of the plus format.
    I have been running 22psi, a tad higher than standard set up for a plus. But the volume is lower, so it feels VERY similar IMO. The profile is nice and round with aggressive side knobs that stick past the case of the tire, so you can be aggressive and lean in on the tires with huge confidence. No flat or square profile which creates a bunch of drag.
    I am having a blast on this setup. We use to run Michelin when I raced for Giant and loved the 2.8 front tire back then. It brings back that exhilarating ride just like back in the day. Loving it!!!

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    I don't have a definitive answer at this time if a 2.6 on the Insider is perfect. It feels good and I think it's working well. Right now it's been raining so traction is amazing on anything with 2 wheels. Over the weekend I rode 2 days on my soon to be wife's Yeti SB5C with 2.3 Maxxis DHF and 2.4 HR2 (regardless of what the numbers say these tires are basically the same width). So I now have 3 days on the Insiders with my new Pivot 5.5 with 2.6 tires and I still feel like I can rail the turns with confidence. I can say they have more traction and volume (obviously). My gut is that it's right on the borderline. I am not convinced that you need a 35mm internal for 2.6's. I did try this with a friends Mach 5.5 with the Reynolds and I didn't notice an apparent difference. T I know a 30 internal works well and am reasonably confident the 27mm of the Insiders are sufficient. I was going back and forth between the Agents and Insiders and was willing to take a little risk and give it a go. At the end of the day I was lazy. I should of taken a few laps on the stock wheels with 35 mm then switched them over to the Insiders for a few laps with the same bike and same tires. I can say the Insiders are light, well built and look great.

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    Dustin I think I am now at one with the WR1 and after today's ride I can say I am super happy with the Insider's on 2.6 rubber. Did a trail with some smaller pops, jumps and gaps. Wheels felt perfect. Will be switched out the Rekon once it gets dry here. It rolls well but pretty mediocre in the dry and that's all summer here. Lastly I think my initial uncertainty was not due to the tire and wheels but rather the Fox 36 160 Factory fork. I weight about 145 and was not getting travel or small bump compliance. I originally thought it might of been the wheels. I took out the spacer and aired the fork well below recommended settings. I was ready to sell the fork yesterday. Today I am happy. Getting 5" on the pops, gaps and smaller jumps. I over-jumped one gap pretty good and got close to bottoming out so it's right where I want it. So stoked on the combo and think it works well. Can't speak to 2.8's but sold with 2.6's.

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    Four rides in and all is good with my Agents. Tore a tire today while running lower than normal pressure (24.5psi, rear, DHR II 2.3). Plugged it and back at it. Iíll keep playing with pressure but I donít think Iíll go any lower as I felt the tire squirm a little too much for my liking.
    I still canít believe how quiet the ďloudĒ P321 hubs are. I really need to focus to be able to hear them.
    I should be heading to Bromont for opening day tomorrow. They will get a good workout then.
    Iíll gladly repeat what many have already said, dealing with Dustin is a pleasure and Iím quite confident that if something were to happen to a rim, Iíll be taken care of.
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    I've been really enjoying my Agents on my SB5.5. I have DHF's front and rear (2.5 and 2.3). Running around 22 psi in pretty chunky terrain. So far so good. The hope hubs have been killer and much quieter than I thought they would be.

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    You guys have piqued my interest with your laid in North America rims, Dustin.

    I ride a rigid 29er on all sorts of trails, and replaced the rear rim a few years ago after I put a healthy dent in the WTB speed disc that came on the bike. Iím currently planning a wheel build to lighten the bike up a bit, and Iím exploring options. My question for you is this- do you think your wheels will stand up to the stresses of riding rigid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sage of the Sage View Post
    You guys have piqued my interest with your laid in North America rims, Dustin.

    I ride a rigid 29er on all sorts of trails, and replaced the rear rim a few years ago after I put a healthy dent in the WTB speed disc that came on the bike. Iím currently planning a wheel build to lighten the bike up a bit, and Iím exploring options. My question for you is this- do you think your wheels will stand up to the stresses of riding rigid?
    I ride a hard tail now and had ridden rigid for several years prior to that. I am on the Insiders now and personally wouldn't hesitate to ride them rigid. I would get Dustin's opinion on this though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sage of the Sage View Post
    You guys have piqued my interest with your laid in North America rims, Dustin.

    I ride a rigid 29er on all sorts of trails, and replaced the rear rim a few years ago after I put a healthy dent in the WTB speed disc that came on the bike. Iím currently planning a wheel build to lighten the bike up a bit, and Iím exploring options. My question for you is this- do you think your wheels will stand up to the stresses of riding rigid?
    Simple answer is, for sure. We have a decent number of shredders riding hand-built wonders from Chromag and Sick all riding Agent 29's or 27.5's
    I have a beauty Chromag Primer....yet to be assembled due to lack of time....but I will be riding the Insider 29 on that bike.
    You'll be surprised on the ride feel that The Insider has. It is very supple and a great fit for a hardtail that rides up and down.

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    Dustin,

    I was hoping you could give me some adivce as to which wheel to order. I have been riding a Trek Rumblefish 29er for the last 6 years, but I have exceeded its capabilities, so I just purchased a 2018 Pivot Mach 6. I have several dings in the Bontrager alloy wheels that came with the Trek. I consider myself an advanced novice rider. I do not race. I love all kinds of trails, from rocky and rooty moto trails to nice flow trails. I am headed to Whistler for the first time next month. My riding weight is 180lbs. I was all set to order a pair of Agent wheels, but after reading this forum, I think the Insider would work as well. The Pivot Mach 6 comes with 2.5 inch tires, but can go up to 2.6.

    Any advice you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

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    Dustin,

    I was hoping you could give me some adivce as to which wheel to order. I have been riding a Trek Rumblefish 29er for the last 6 years, but I have exceeded its capabilities, so I just purchased a 2018 Pivot Mach 6. I have several dings in the Bontrager alloy wheels that came with the Trek. I consider myself an advanced novice rider. I do not race. I love all kinds of trails, from rocky and rooty moto trails to nice flow trails. I am headed to Whistler for the first time next month. My riding weight is 180lbs. I was all set to order a pair of Agent wheels, but after reading this forum, I think the Insider would work as well. The Pivot Mach 6 comes with 2.5 inch tires, but can go up to 2.6.

    Any advice you could give me would be greatly appreciated.
    Hey Crudestmass,

    For a bike like the Mach 6 and all it is built to do, we would consider it the prime candidate for The Agent product line. If you plan to run a 2.5 - 2.6 tire and ride park days and more aggressive terrain, it would be my suggestion to stick with The Agent. It is a rim you can count on for this type of riding and a more mixed bag of tires.

    We run a 2.3 - 2.8 on The Agent currently and find that the added beef of the 3.5mm rim lips give that protection for large impacts that might come from park riding and more rocky/rooty terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac48 View Post
    Also, what is the warranty process for Australian buyers? Any local agents?
    We currently do not have a agent in Aus. We are working on getting that set up for the 2019 season and once it is, it will allow for much faster and cheaper shipping solution. Currently we offer the same warranty, but the customer pays the shipping. So you will have to factor that in if you live in Aus at the moment.

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    Does anyone have any comments on the WR1 rims as compared to Enve M60's (my current rims) in terms of ride quality? I've really enjoyed the M60's for the most part, but they are STIFF and end up feeling pretty harsh as longer rides go on. I've been thinking about trying WR1's instead of Enve's on my new ride (still not purchased yet). Any thoughts around ride quality would be great!

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    Never owned Enve's but ridden them quite a few times on friends rides. I would agree they are too stiff, harsh and expensive for me. They seem to ping and zing. I have the WR1 Insiders, others may disagree but I would say they are pretty smooth, soft and forgiving. So this may be good or bad based on what you are looking for. I like but others may not. It could also partially be my combo of Insider with 2.6 tires. I suspect the Agents will be much stiffer feeling and feel changes a lot based on tire size combo. There are a few at our local shop that ride Agents and love them but I have not ridden them. I really wanted something lighter than the stock wheels on the M5.5. Build quality appears to be really good, setup was easy. One of the stickers is coming off and they are true after about 12 rides though I do need to check spoke tension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckeemtb View Post
    Never owned Enve's but ridden them quite a few times on friends rides. I would agree they are too stiff, harsh and expensive for me. They seem to ping and zing. I have the WR1 Insiders, others may disagree but I would say they are pretty smooth, soft and forgiving. So this may be good or bad based on what you are looking for. I like but others may not. It could also partially be my combo of Insider with 2.6 tires. I suspect the Agents will be much stiffer feeling and feel changes a lot based on tire size combo. There are a few at our local shop that ride Agents and love them but I have not ridden them. I really wanted something lighter than the stock wheels on the M5.5. Build quality appears to be really good, setup was easy. One of the stickers is coming off and they are true after about 12 rides though I do need to check spoke tension.
    Thanks for the reply Truckeemtb! I'm in Reno, what shop is your local shop?

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    Backcountry has a few employees on them. We have have a ton of shops here. LMK if you want to check out mine, I know Backcounty has a demo set of Agents.

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    I will be upgrading the stock wheels on my SC 5010 soon and have narrowed my choices down to The Insider and Nox's Teocalli. Planning on going with a DT 240 hub. This might be a long shot but does anyone out there have any experience with both of these wheelsets and could provide a comparison?

    My other questions is what would be the weight savings between Sapim Race and Cx-Ray spokes?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreOne_Composites View Post
    Great to hear you are testing the 2.6 tires on The Insider. I am personally giving the 2.8 Minion DHF a go on the same rim. We are weighing in our decision to build a plus rim...and at this point I am not convinced that you need a 35-45mm wide rim to take advantage of the plus format.
    I have been running 22psi, a tad higher than standard set up for a plus. But the volume is lower, so it feels VERY similar IMO. The profile is nice and round with aggressive side knobs that stick past the case of the tire, so you can be aggressive and lean in on the tires with huge confidence. No flat or square profile which creates a bunch of drag.
    I am having a blast on this setup. We use to run Michelin when I raced for Giant and loved the 2.8 front tire back then. It brings back that exhilarating ride just like back in the day. Loving it!!!

    Cheers

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    I have been running a comparable setup with the SC Reserve wheels/ DHF & agree with you on all points. A great setup for the chunk we have here in western colorado.


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    Quote Originally Posted by flyninjasquirrel View Post
    I will be upgrading the stock wheels on my SC 5010 soon and have narrowed my choices down to The Insider and Nox's Teocalli. Planning on going with a DT 240 hub. This might be a long shot but does anyone out there have any experience with both of these wheelsets and could provide a comparison?

    My other questions is what would be the weight savings between Sapim Race and Cx-Ray spokes?

    Thanks!
    Hi,

    I Do not have experience with Nox's Teocalli, however i do have a set of insiders on my 2018 Nomad and they are exquisite ( I do about 70% trail/enduro and 30 park). They are set up with I9 hubs with Cx-Ray spokes, beautiful wheels gotten complement from LBS's, the quality is top notch the raw inside of the rim is gorgeous (wish that was the outside of the rim). I am running a 2.5 DHF in the front and a 2.3 aggressor in the back both with huck norris inserts.

    The wheel is stiff enough and damps some vibration, i was concert about the strength of the wheel for the bike park but after communicating with Dustin Adams from WR1 i was convince that they can that a beating (That is what he rides, and i am sure he can beat that wheel a lot worse than me). I have taken the wheels to my local bike park Mountain creek which has some pretty ferocious rock gardens and it as perform wonderful. I feel i can turn better and ride faster, the engagement on the I9 is superb, i am crushing climbs that made me suffer before. Their new life time warranty and customer service is great. I believe your 5010 will be wonderful with the insiders, that is what i will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fedfox View Post
    Hi,

    I Do not have experience with Nox's Teocalli, however i do have a set of insiders on my 2018 Nomad and they are exquisite ( I do about 70% trail/enduro and 30 park). They are set up with I9 hubs with Cx-Ray spokes, beautiful wheels gotten complement from LBS's, the quality is top notch the raw inside of the rim is gorgeous (wish that was the outside of the rim). I am running a 2.5 DHF in the front and a 2.3 aggressor in the back both with huck norris inserts.

    The wheel is stiff enough and damps some vibration, i was concert about the strength of the wheel for the bike park but after communicating with Dustin Adams from WR1 i was convince that they can that a beating (That is what he rides, and i am sure he can beat that wheel a lot worse than me). I have taken the wheels to my local bike park Mountain creek which has some pretty ferocious rock gardens and it as perform wonderful. I feel i can turn better and ride faster, the engagement on the I9 is superb, i am crushing climbs that made me suffer before. Their new life time warranty and customer service is great. I believe your 5010 will be wonderful with the insiders, that is what i will do.

    Sincerely,

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    Pretty sure I saw you out there at creek on them. Looks sick in person

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckeemtb View Post
    Dustin I think I am now at one with the WR1 and after today's ride I can say I am super happy with the Insider's on 2.6 rubber. Did a trail with some smaller pops, jumps and gaps. Wheels felt perfect. Will be switched out the Rekon once it gets dry here. It rolls well but pretty mediocre in the dry and that's all summer here. Lastly I think my initial uncertainty was not due to the tire and wheels but rather the Fox 36 160 Factory fork. I weight about 145 and was not getting travel or small bump compliance. I originally thought it might of been the wheels. I took out the spacer and aired the fork well below recommended settings. I was ready to sell the fork yesterday. Today I am happy. Getting 5" on the pops, gaps and smaller jumps. I over-jumped one gap pretty good and got close to bottoming out so it's right where I want it. So stoked on the combo and think it works well. Can't speak to 2.8's but sold with 2.6's.
    Update. So the Insider with 2.6 tires works well only with certain 2.6 tires. I have found the Maxxis DHF 2.6 gives it too round a profile, the 2.6 has pretty large gaps between the center and cornering knobbies creating a gap or dead spot. So on slower technical trails it works well, on faster flatter turns it can wash pretty easily unless you are fully committed and leaned over. I switched to a 2.5 DHF on front and a DHR2 on the back and it's much much better. Knobs are squared up a little more and can rail better on loose over hard and are much more predictable with less wash in certain circumstances. It feels more precise and less floaty and more locked in. Measuring the width of the tires with calipers the 2.5 vs 2.6 is only a few mm different on 27 internals. Ironically my friends 2.8 tires on 29 internals are only a few mm bigger than the 2.6. The 2.8's are not even close to 2.8, the 2.5's measure out to 2.51. The bottom line after about 30 rides, I love the Insiders but you will have to experiment with rubber if you wheels are not 30-35 or so to find the happy spot. I am going to throw the 2.6's on the stock 35 internal wheels to experiment. Anyway, the 2.5 DHF and 2.4 DHR2 works well here in the dry loose over hard, seems to roll better, hook up well for climbing and goes down more precisely without washing in the high speed flatter corners. The 2.5 cornering knobs are closer together and I think this makes the difference. Just my 2 cents, your results may vary. I have a Butcher 2.6 that looks like it will work but haven't tried it since I am now happy with current configuration.

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    Just got an Insider wheelset for my YT Jeffsy; unfortunately no rides yet because of weather but 1st impressions were great. The carbon looks flawless and the glossy coating makes the rims really pop. The graphics are a bit too subdued for my taste but that's not necessary a bad thing. I put one extra strip of rim tape to make sure my used tires would seal up with just a floor pump and it worked like a charm. Can't wait to get a ride in! I do have a set of Ibis carbon wheels on my other bike, so it will be interesting to compare and contrast.

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