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    Stan's No Tubes Dart tubeless repair

    Has anyone tried this yet? I'd like to try it but I'm have sticker shock because it's $25, and a refill pack of 5 is $20 ($4 each!). Not sure if it's that much better than a normal bacon strip I'm using now.

    https://www.notubes.com/DART

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    I have one on order from the lbs.

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    Just carrying the new Dart with me at all times seems to be preventing flats all together, so I can't comment on how it works for tubeless repair. What I will say is that it has the potential to be a game changer/money saver for me ...if the "creates a new piece of tire" chemical reaction works as advertised. After trying various approaches to salvaging a plugged tire, I've basically resigned to throwing away any tire that has had to be plugged out on the trail. The Dart repair may mean you actually get to keep riding the tire after you plug it.

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    ^^^ yeah. I like the concept but haven't yet sprung for a kit. It is kind of pricey, but if it works somewhat better/faster/longer it's a small price considering how infrequently I'd need it.
    What, me worry?

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    Ive got the kit, but haven't used it yet. I think just carrying it prevents flats, like Glazedham said. At the price, it should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlazedHam View Post
    I've basically resigned to throwing away any tire that has had to be plugged out on the trail.
    That's crazy talk. Get some Marine Goop or Loctite PL Sealant and apply to both sides of plugs (cut short) and you're good.

    Cuts at bead are another story... but those Stans things are probably less likely to hold there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatsDirt View Post
    That's crazy talk. Get some Marine Goop or Loctite PL Sealant and apply to both sides of plugs (cut short) and you're good.

    Cuts at bead are another story... but those Stans things are probably less likely to hold there.
    Okay, I'm willing to try something to save $50-80. Which one is best?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlazedHam View Post
    Okay, I'm willing to try something to save $50-80. Which one is best?
    I've been using this stuff with great luck. The tip will get clogged as the stuff cures so throw something like a drywall screw in the tip when you store it.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Loctite-...0627/206156433

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    All right so I bought the Stans Dart and long story short Iím not impressed because itís so expensive and maybe marginally better than regular bacon strips.

    I had a nasty cut in my Vittoria Mezcal that I had sealed with 2 bacon strips. They lasted for 20ish miles until it started bleeding again and I put a 3rd bacon strip in to try to finish the ride. A few miles later all 3 strips came out and I had to tube the tire.

    Got my Dart kit. Put 1 plug in that spot and it sealed in the garage. Finally rode mtb today. The tire started bleeding after less than 2 miles. Went ahead and put a second dart in. Held well for about 8 miles. Then something came loose and the tire peed sealant and lost all air pressure. I was able to pull the darts out with my hands.

    So I donít think they are much better than regular bacon strips and they are way more expensive. They appear to be a cloth type fabric that is porous and the sealant likes to stick to it. I guess thatís the magical chemical reaction Stans bragged about?

    For this cut now Iím trying EatDirtís recommendation for the marine glue.











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    Quote Originally Posted by EatsDirt View Post
    I've been using this stuff with great luck. The tip will get clogged as the stuff cures so throw something like a drywall screw in the tip when you store it.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Loctite-...0627/206156433
    Okay let's go over the steps again, since I've got a tire I need to patch.
    You say you install bacon, then cut the strips short, then apply Loctite marine fast cure adhesive to both inside and outside of patched area? Is that right? Thanks.

    And you've done this repeatedly with good results?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Okay let's go over the steps again, since I've got a tire I need to patch.
    You say you install bacon, then cut the strips short, then apply Loctite marine fast cure adhesive to both inside and outside of patched area? Is that right? Thanks.

    And you've done this repeatedly with good results?
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    If you're going to go through that trouble, stitch the tear with floss and a lockstitch (suture), then back it with a rubber tube patch. Clean the inside of the tire well, using acetone, then apply glue as normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wschruba View Post
    If you're going to go through that trouble, stitch the tear with floss and a lockstitch (suture), then back it with a rubber tube patch. Clean the inside of the tire well, using acetone, then apply glue as normal.
    Thanks. I was considering just buying this and this and then patching the tire the old fashioned way. Sounds easier than what you just described. Ya think? Thanks again.
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    Stan's No Tubes Dart tubeless repair

    Tried @Eatsdirt fix, working great so far! Held up on a rocky 10 mile ride.

    Iíve got a couple other torn tires I may try to bring back to life as well.

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    Update, Tried to use my Stan's this weekend on my buddy's tire. I still haven't flatted yet personallyEvidently the cut was too small as he snapped off the carbon fiber rod trying to insert the patch. As luck would have it, the Stans in the tire eventually sealed the puncture all by itself. now I only have the other end left. He said he would buy me a new one, but as I forced the experiment on him, I told him to not worry about it.

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    Wow that sucks.

    So far I would say this product is pretty underwhelming and overpriced.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SoDakSooner View Post
    snapped off the carbon fiber rod
    Curious, is the diameter about the same as a spoke or a small hex key?

    Glad it's working for you tgoods. Sparticus, as you described it exactly. I've done it multiple times with great results on the type of cuts a bacon strip(s) tends to seal temporarily. Bike parks, copious chunk etc... it's been a permanent solution to a tire that only lasts a few months.

    You surely could clean/sew/patch, but it would suck to have the thread wear through and sounds like a hassle.

    With the "goop" method, I can break only one bead, half ass alcohol clean the area around bacon on both sides (usually installed trailside / still leaking), then apply the goop in a total of 5 min... although the stuff does need curing time to ride.

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    Yes, about that. Maybe 2mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatsDirt View Post
    Curious, is the diameter about the same as a spoke or a small hex key?

    Glad it's working for you tgoods. Sparticus, as you described it exactly. I've done it multiple times with great results on the type of cuts a bacon strip(s) tends to seal temporarily. Bike parks, copious chunk etc... it's been a permanent solution to a tire that only lasts a few months.

    You surely could clean/sew/patch, but it would suck to have the thread wear through and sounds like a hassle.

    With the "goop" method, I can break only one bead, half ass alcohol clean the area around bacon on both sides (usually installed trailside / still leaking), then apply the goop in a total of 5 min... although the stuff does need curing time to ride.
    Fair enough. I wasn't particularly thinking about the location of the damage; I would typically only stitch up the sidewall on a tire. That said, if you used dyneema fishing line/thread, it should hold up fine.

    My experience with patching the inside of a tire is that, barring significant damage, you don't need the 'radial'-type patches...and if you do, the tire is probably toasted, anyway. The suture would be more for holding the repaired area stable while you patch it, than as a structural repair in the case of the above damage.

    My $0.02...

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    More DART
    feedback on long term usage and storage, please. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgoods View Post
    Wow that sucks.So far I would say this product is pretty underwhelming and overpriced.
    Did you use Stans sealant in your Mezcal?

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    I've now used my Stan's Dart twice and I will say that I find it better than bacon strips due to the shape. Only once have I had a bacon strip not work and only twice have I called the Dart into duty, so not much of a test though. The shape and form of the Dart just seems more suitable to plugging a longer puncture than a bacon strip. I hold out next to zero hope that the two Dart plugs will have chemically bonded with tire (two seperate punctures on the same tire, same ride) and the tire will be in the garbage can on Monday morning. We shall see.

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    Yeah. I don't think they chemically bond per se, they kinda catalyze the latex in the sealant into curing, so you have the foamy plug material filled and stuck to the tire by cured latex. I haven't actually tried it yet so don't know how that will stand up.
    What, me worry?

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    While worthless for Trailside repairs I've had really good luck with automotive patch plugs. I bought a box of 18 for about $18 at my local advance auto.

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    My first use with Dart this weekend sealed a sizeable hole, combined with Muc-Off tire sealant. I can't say if success was due to the size of the dart tip or it's special chemical secret-sauce, but I made it home and so am satisfied.

    it was a large snakebite. The second part of the tear along the sidewall was patched with a cheap bacon-type plug

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel View Post
    My first use with Dart this weekend sealed a sizeable hole, combined with Muc-Off tire sealant. I can't say if success was due to the size of the dart tip or it's special chemical secret-sauce, but I made it home and so am satisfied.
    For how long did it last at the end?

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    Used mine for the first time last night. Slow leak I picked up this weekend. Sealant itself kind of sealed it but not very well. I was just going to use a regular plug but remembered I had one dart left(after the broken rod above). Jammed it in the hole, way too easily it seemed, and not deep enough I felt, but checked this am and the tire was still holding the same pressure as last night. We will see how it holds up on a ride... but seems to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GooglieS View Post
    For how long did it last at the end?


    The dart seemed to hold for several days of non-riding. I opted to replace the tire because the tear was on the sidewall close to the bead, and those types of defects make me nervous so I never rode the tire again.

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    I went a little too fast into a creek bed in late June, puncturing both tires and slightly denting my front rim. The rear (Ground Control Grid) was in the middle of the tire and the front (Butcher Control) was at the base of a center knob. I added fresh sealant when I got home but both tires kept leaking.

    I tried the Dart and both holes sealed right away. I have 11 rides and 130 miles with no issues on rocky Front Range trails, so the Dart will definitely be staying in my pack.
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    Picked up a nail (parking lot?) on first ride out on new tire. Used the Stan's dart, and has held up for 2 months now, about 200 miles on that bike. I'm satisfied enough to keep using them. Refills are pricey, but application is so quick and easy, to me it's worth it.
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    Mine is still holding after 25 miles of rocky rooty goodness this weekend.

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    I bought my Stans DARTs back at Christmas time and they've been in my riding pack ever since. I keep my pack in the garage, which can get very hot (easily mid- to upper-90s during hot summer days). I used one for the first time about a month ago. It sealed a decent sized puncture in the tread of a friend's tire easily and has held ever since. The three people on that ride went out and bought them afterwards. Overpriced? Probably. But it was perhaps the easiest tire puncture repair I've experienced, and its durability seems to be better than what I've seen out of bacon strips. I'll definitely keep carrying these, and so far would buy refills when I go through the first set that I purchased.

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    Surprised about this as I heard it was not compatible with Muc-Off, I think in the WWC video.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel View Post
    My first use with Dart this weekend sealed a sizeable hole, combined with Muc-Off tire sealant. I can't say if success was due to the size of the dart tip or it's special chemical secret-sauce, but I made it home and so am satisfied.

    it was a large snakebite. The second part of the tear along the sidewall was patched with a cheap bacon-type plug

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    I like how we got tubeless tires to cure all the flats (you can run over a 2x4 full of nails!), and then we got bacon because the sealant doesn't actually work, and then we got stans weird plugs because the sealant and bacon both don't actually work.

    Next we're going to get circular butyl rubber air containing devices to fully insert into our tubeless tires to contain all the air without leaking out.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Steelman...dalType=drawer

    I have those that I want to try out, but not bad enough to puncture my own tire on purpose. If it happens, I think thats the best long-term solution (albeit not a trailside repair). Its just one extra layer of sealing over a normal patch, and they do seem to bond better in my car-tire experience.

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    Sealant does work. If it's doing it's job properly you don't notice it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    I like how we got tubeless tires to cure all the flats (you can run over a 2x4 full of nails!), and then we got bacon because the sealant doesn't actually work, and then we got stans weird plugs because the sealant and bacon both don't actually work.

    Next we're going to get circular butyl rubber air containing devices to fully insert into our tubeless tires to contain all the air without leaking out.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Steelman...dalType=drawer

    I have those that I want to try out, but not bad enough to puncture my own tire on purpose. If it happens, I think thats the best long-term solution (albeit not a trailside repair). Its just one extra layer of sealing over a normal patch, and they do seem to bond better in my car-tire experience.
    You forgot the foam tire inserts to prevent punching holes in our tires. But I haven't had a flat on my bike yet this year, which is a first for me - I call this progress!

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    Finally got to use my Darts.

    1st attempt I couldn't put through the leaking puncture with the dart. So the second one was a success and sealed right up after pumping the tire back up and let Orange seal do its thing with the dart.

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    Iím deciding between the Stanís Dart or the Dynaplug. Yep the bacon 🥓 strips are way cheaper and would probably work with most puncture flats but why not try a more efficient product that seems like it would work on bigger punctures.
    Iím not expecting any plug to be a long term fix. When I get punctures in my tires, if theyíre newer I repair them with a patch and glue from the inside. The smaller holes from thorns seal up fine with my tire sealant but sometimes I use the glue just to reinforce it. Iíve repair sidewall holes near the bead and still using those tire set up tubeless with Rimpact inserts.
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