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    Specialized Eliminator?

    Anyone riding these? Going to need a new rear soon and am getting a bit of option paralysis but really like the looks of these. Seem to be new with no reviews anywhere i have been able to find. Looks like it would make a good rear tire and maybe a front too? Sort of looks like an Aggressor with a bit more space between the knobs but those similarly styled squared off type blocks in a similar pattern. Just looking for a bit of input/observations before pulling the trigger. Looking at the 29x2.3 in the Eliminator on i29 rim. Going on the back of a Fuel EX8. Currently running 29x2.4 XR4s. Not too impressed with them. They don't do a good job hooking up on root and rock edges and their off camber traction leaves alot to be desired.

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    They were released yesterday and i checked them out today at my LBS. They look to be an awesome tire that is more aggressive than the Purgatory. Its available in the Black Diamond casing so i think this will be my next rear tire for the chunky stuff i ride. Should hook up well but roll faster than the Butcher I currently have out back.


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    Wow, released yesterday? I guess that explains why I couldn't find any reviews when I saw it on the site and searched yesterday afternoon!

    I don't see enough of a difference between this and the Butcher to give it a try.

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    Well that explains a lot. Thanks.


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    This looks more like an Assegi to me. Seems like itís the same side knob as the Butcher.

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    Here is a picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elsinore View Post
    This looks more like an Assegi to me. Seems like itís the same side knob as the Butcher.
    Very much so now that I look at it.


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    Im interested in this tire. Cant wait to hear what people think. I saw it pop up in a few pictures of Graves and Keene

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    Any weights on these? If they come in semi-tacky rubber and weigh well under 1000g, this certainly looks like something I would try. I'm guessing even if that's a standard single-ply casing, a 29x2.3 isn't coming in under 900g...

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    Quote Originally Posted by phuchmileif View Post
    Any weights on these? If they come in semi-tacky rubber and weigh well under 1000g, this certainly looks like something I would try. I'm guessing even if that's a standard single-ply casing, a 29x2.3 isn't coming in under 900g...
    Probably right around there with the Grid casing. Most of the Grid stuff is under 900 with the exception of the slaughter and the hillbilly I think.


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    The 29 2.3 weighs 930 grams which is consistent with other big knob tires around that size.

    I am going to try it as a rear tire first, as I am satisfied with a 2.5 DHF up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_trail_biker View Post
    The 29 2.3 weighs 930 grams which is consistent with other big knob tires around that size.

    I am going to try it as a rear tire first, as I am satisfied with a 2.5 DHF up front.
    Sweet! Thanks for the info. Canít wait to hear a report.


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    Damn. 930 is very good, assuming the carcass is at least as burly as an Exo Minion.

    I feel like Spesh was looking at Maxxis's tire line and wanted to fill a niche before Maxxis themselves got to it...

    I.e. Maxxis's downhill selection is very similar to Specialized, but then Maxxis put out the Assegai, and people want that but in trail form. And then bam, here we go, similar tread, little harder rubber, reasonable weight for trail riding. And it's gonna pull people from the other end, too, who sacrifice a tiny bit of weight to run the Eliminator over a Hands Dampf or the like...and I'm expecting this tire to decimate an HD.

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    Look what showed up in the mail today. It's a little chunkier than I was hoping for but it's light. Specifically the center knobs are taller than I was expecting. It almost feels like they've thinned out the grid casing a bit to compete more directly with Maxxis EXO. Hope I don't destroy it immediately.

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    I was originally planning to use it on the rear but Iím starting to think it might work better up front

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    Hi vegasR6, let us know what you think of the tire upfront if you go that direction. I have a Stumpy ST 29er with a 2.3 Butcher upfront and I'm thinking of running the Eliminator in 2.6 upfront instead.

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    I wish they'd just bring the Clutch back. Looks like the new Hans Dampf.
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    Ok boys. First things first. This thing is NOT a true 2.6 like Specializedís 27.5 tires. My park bike wasnít on hand for a photo but I can tell you there is a big difference. This is more like the Maxxis version of 2.6 which is actually more useable in my opinion. I just wish theyíd list honest sizes. Pictured here is my Bontrager SE4 2.4 that I run on the rear for comparison. Both mounted on Raceface ARC30 rims with 30mm internal width. 2nd; this thing fits tight. I had to have nearly 100psi in my compressor to get the initial bead pop. After that it was bing bang boom. No fuss, no leaks.


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    Next; Specialized has definitely thinned out the sidewall of the grid casing. Itís now very similar in feel and weight to the DHR EXO 2.4 I removed. Might even be lighter. In my opinion that makes grid tires almost exclusively front specific now. Obviously your weight, terrain, and riding style may differ. As for the tread, the eliminator is really a platypus. I feel like it could good for both front and rear use. Iím about to go hit a familiar set of desert trails. Iíll provide a ride report later today but Iím definitely optimistic of the eliminatorís tread being match for my riding style and local desert terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasR6 View Post
    Ok boys. First things first. This thing is NOT a true 2.6 like Specializedís 27.5 tires. My park bike wasnít on hand for a photo but I can tell you there is a big difference. This is more like the Maxxis version of 2.6 which is actually more useable in my opinion. I just wish theyíd list honest sizes. Pictured here is my Bontrager SE4 2.4 that I run on the rear for comparison. Both mounted on Raceface ARC30 rims with 30mm internal width. 2nd; this thing fits tight. I had to have nearly 100psi in my compressor to get the initial bead pop. After that it was bing bang boom. No fuss, no leaks.

    Looks like the Assegai with a little less sipping. Intrested in how it feels in transition to leaning over.

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    What's 'like a Maxxis 2.6' mean? 'Cause I feel like the Maxxis tires are pretty true to their rated sizes, albeit the 2.5-2.6 seem to do it all with tread width, with casings that seem a bit narrow compared to some others.

    I also was under the impression that the GRID casing was already as light as Exo, if not lighter. Seems like Spesh often gets the same complaints as WTB: weepy sidewalls.

    I guess, technically, it's possible to have a carcass that is heavier/thicker but still more permeable...those are just not qualities I typically associate with each other, though. I have often wondered why porosity is such a big issue with mountain bike tires, though. You would think it wouldn't be that hard to get a layer of nylon (or poly or aramid or whatever) fully coated with rubber, with no pinholes. And then fully coat THAT with a sealer on the inside.

    ...bike tires are sealed, right? Silly question, but I'm never really thought about it. Just assumed that, like a standard tubeless car tire, there is a coating on the inside that limits permeability. It's also always bothered me that, even with a good wheel/tire and a good tubeless sealant, bike tires don't hold air nearly as well as a cheapass car tire installed dry on a cheapass wheel. If you disregard pressure loss due to ambient temperature drop, car tires only lose 1-2psi a month. Set a tire to 35 and leave it for a year, and it'll still have a good 15-20psi, at least. Tubeless bike tires are flat in a month, usually...

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    Great to see some people are starting to get a hold of these. Reviews have started hitting the interwebs as well. Most seem positive. Iím dipping back and forth between this and a Maxxis aggressor. 2.3s for the rear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantic29 View Post
    Great to see some people are starting to get a hold of these. Reviews have started hitting the interwebs as well. Most seem positive. Iím dipping back and forth between this and a Maxxis aggressor. 2.3s for the rear.


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    This tire (based on pics) is more of a DHF/DHR2 without a slip zone. The Aggressor is a little better than a Simislick.

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    So their 2.3 and 2.6 are the same size. Great job Specialized. Very sciency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    So their 2.3 and 2.6 are the same size. Great job Specialized. Very sciency.
    My butcher BLK DMND 2.3 butchers are as big as my grid 2.6 also.

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    We keep getting ripped off on 2.6-2.8 labelled tires. Either the casing is under sized or they reduce the knob size. Can't these people figure out that some of us want a 2.6 tire with some biiiiig ****in knobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phuchmileif View Post
    What's 'like a Maxxis 2.6' mean?

    I also was under the impression that the GRID casing was already as light as Exo, if not lighter. Seems like Spesh often gets the same complaints as WTB: weepy sidewalls.
    In my past experience, Maxxis tires are on the small end of the spectrum given their listed sizes. No issues with sidewall weeping on the eliminator. Once I got it up onto the bead, it snapped into place and I havent seen a drop of sealant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    So their 2.3 and 2.6 are the same size. Great job Specialized. Very sciency.
    I wouldnt say that. I've seen plenty of 2.3 butchers and purgatorys running around out here and the 2.6's are definitely bigger. This is especially true of their 27.5 tires which I feel is a true 2.6. I've been running a 2.6 Butcher grid on the front of my park bike for about a year and it is visually larger than this tire but not by the same margin as their 2.3's

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    I am talking about the measurements coming in for this specific tire.

    I have a 2018 2.6 Butcher and Purgatory and they're 2.42" on a 30mm rim.

    All measurements. No feeling or eyeballing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    All measurements. No feeling or eyeballing.
    unfortunately my eyeballs are all I have to work with in this case. I dont own a set of calipers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantic29 View Post
    Great to see some people are starting to get a hold of these. Reviews have started hitting the interwebs as well. Most seem positive. Iím dipping back and forth between this and a Maxxis aggressor. 2.3s for the rear.


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    Aggressor side knobs don't last more than 30 miles for me. If this tire behaves like an aggressor but lasts longer it will be a big winner for my riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    Aggressor side knobs don't last more than 30 miles for me. If this tire behaves like an aggressor but lasts longer it will be a big winner for my riding.
    damn dude. where are you riding; the fiery pits of hell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    lol thanks. Gotta love prime

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    Ok boys. Time for that initial ride report I promised. Keep in mind, I live in vegas where itís extremely dry and our trails are the definition of loose over hard. I was previously running an EXO DHR2 2.4 up front. Iíve also run High Roller 2ís, eThirteen TRSr, Butcher 2.6, and Continental trail king 2.4. This tire is far and away my favorite. It rides so smooth and quiet. Provides excellent trail damping but with loads of feedback. It rolls very well and corners like nothing Iíve ever experienced. It has to be tried to be believed. Ever since I started riding out here 4 years ago I have been in search of a setup that would allow me to push through the corners. Iíve gotten closer with different riding techniques, fork setups, fork brands, handlebars, and tire pressures. But Iíve never been able to see such a big improvement as I saw yesterday simply by bolting up this tire. I started off at 20psi due to the light sidewalls. I normally ran 19 in my DHR. That proved to be a bit high which makes sense because the extra air volume of the 2.6 casing. Again, I donít believe this tire to be a true 2.6 but itís definitely a little taller and wider than the DHR. So I dropped back down to my trusty 19psi number and things felt pretty good after. Iím tempted to try 18 next time out. A riding buddy of mine who just happens to be running 2.6 butcher 27.5 up front and purgatory rear tried out my bike for a mile or so. His post ride response? ďI swear to God, if this tire had a d!(k I would totally suck it!Ē Fairly certain he earned quote of the day right there.

    Now with all that being said; the trail I rode didnít have any big, high speed descents. There are some fairly quick bits and the eliminator continued to impress in those sections. I just want to illustrate this was not a DH run by any means. It was a 16 mile loop with 1200í of climbing and a variety of terrain. The eliminator stuck to it all. Iíll post a link to a relive of the ride shortly.


    For further size reference, here are a couple of post ride photos of the tire mounted to my ARC 30 rim and cane creek helm fork.



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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasR6 View Post
    damn dude. where are you riding; the fiery pits of hell?
    Hardpack berms kill it. If I stuck to trailriding and off the mtb specific trails it'd last longer. In general the aggressor is a fantastic rear tire new but the performance starts to drop off a cliff as it wears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    Hardpack berms kill it. If I stuck to trailriding and off the mtb specific trails it'd last longer. In general the aggressor is a fantastic rear tire new but the performance starts to drop off a cliff as it wears.
    Good to know. I just mounted an aggressor 2.5 double down on the rear of my park bike and loved it the first time out. Which compound did you get? I know they have a few. Max terra, max grip, etc.

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    As promised, a relive of my test ride yesterday
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    glad it handles well on tame stuff. but i only care about when i am screaming down too fast for the corner and i just throw it in on race run and hope for the best. So please, go try to hurt yourself and ride like a hack that is in over his head and his ego is writing checks his skills cannot cash (my riding style) and let me know if the tire saves you. haha

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    Specialized Eliminator Tire Review

    My review of the Eliminator from another thread... I concur it's AWESOME! Specialized Eliminator Grid Tire- Mtbr.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    Hardpack berms kill it. If I stuck to trailriding and off the mtb specific trails it'd last longer. In general the aggressor is a fantastic rear tire new but the performance starts to drop off a cliff as it wears.
    Pretty sure there is only 1 berm within 60 miles of me so thatís not an issue for me. I ride lots of roots and rocks and off camber type bits where things get washed pretty bad. The XR4s I currently have pretty much suck for those things I was recently down in Bentonville and they were awesome down there.

    But the more I read the more I am leaning toward the Eliminator as a front and an aggressor on the rear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantic29 View Post
    But the more I read the more I am leaning toward the Eliminator as a front and an aggressor on the rear.
    This would be a legit combo. I will be running these on my park bike.

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    How can you guys run such low pressures on these grid casings? Both reviews are talking in the 19 to 20 psi range. I fold the butcher grids at anything under 27 psi and the BLK DNMB casing has to stay above 23psi and that is front tire pressures. I ran 20 with the BLK casing with cushcores but any lower then the pressures listed the tire just folds oer and looses traction in a very abrupt scary fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantic29 View Post
    Pretty sure there is only 1 berm within 60 miles of me so thatís not an issue for me. I ride lots of roots and rocks and off camber type bits where things get washed pretty bad. The XR4s I currently have pretty much suck for those things I was recently down in Bentonville and they were awesome down there.

    But the more I read the more I am leaning toward the Eliminator as a front and an aggressor on the rear.


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    I like the aggressor quite a bit for mixed terrain, very predictable rear tire. Out here we have a lot of bike park type trails. Ride logging road up and rip down. If I do a lot of the latter under hardpack conditons the sideknobs undercut really really fast and the rest of the knobs round over. Typically I'm riding those type of trails after work and big backcountry type rides on the weekends. With that I need to move on to a new rear tire as they just dont last for me.

    My wishlist for a Maxxis tire would be an aggressor between the 2.3 and 2.5. A casing between exo and DD with much stouter sidelugs like a 2.5 dhf. For my riding that would be the ultimate rear tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    I like the aggressor quite a bit for mixed terrain, very predictable rear tire. Out here we have a lot of bike park type trails. Ride logging road up and rip down. If I do a lot of the latter under hardpack conditons the sideknobs undercut really really fast and the rest of the knobs round over. Typically I'm riding those type of trails after work and big backcountry type rides on the weekends. With that I need to move on to a new rear tire as they just dont last for me.

    My wishlist for a Maxxis tire would be an aggressor between the 2.3 and 2.5. A casing between exo and DD with much stouter sidelugs like a 2.5 dhf. For my riding that would be the ultimate rear tire.
    are you killing the 2.3 or the 2.5? My 2.5 DD aggresor has the same size side knobs as my 2.5 DD DHF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    are you killing the 2.3 or the 2.5? My 2.5 DD aggresor has the same size side knobs as my 2.5 DD DHF.
    The 2.5 does last longer but it's just to much volume for a rear tire for me. As you alluded to in your prior post once I get into the 2.4 range for a rear I really have to up the psi or they fold and squirm. I've even started going a little less volume up front for the same reason. Also the 2.5 DD is a lot of tire to sling around for my bigger weekend rides. Maybe I'm searching for a unicorn, who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    The 2.5 does last longer but it's just to much volume for a rear tire for me. As you alluded to in your prior post once I get into the 2.4 range for a rear I really have to up the psi or they fold and squirm. I've even started going a little less volume up front for the same reason. Also the 2.5 DD is a lot of tire to sling around for my bigger weekend rides. Maybe I'm searching for a unicorn, who knows.
    #cushcore 90% of problem solved but the weight addition

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    #cushcore 90% of problem solved but the weight addition
    Yeah, I've yet to mess with inserts though most of my friends now run them. Time to give'em a go I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    How can you guys run such low pressures on these grid casings? Both reviews are talking in the 19 to 20 psi range. I fold the butcher grids at anything under 27 psi and the BLK DNMB casing has to stay above 23psi and that is front tire pressures.
    Your balls must just be that much bigger than the rest of us, lol. Iím talking trail pressure here, not at all DH settings. But even then, Iím fine running a double down rear with no insert. I probably wouldnít run a grid in a DH setting at all. Iíll be installing a blk dmnd eliminator front on my park bike ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    How can you guys run such low pressures on these grid casings? Both reviews are talking in the 19 to 20 psi range. I fold the butcher grids at anything under 27 psi and the BLK DNMB casing has to stay above 23psi and that is front tire pressures. I ran 20 with the BLK casing with cushcores but any lower then the pressures listed the tire just folds oer and looses traction in a very abrupt scary fashion.
    As vegas states ďTrail PressureĒ not DH/race pace through chicken heads. If itís really rocky Iíll bump it to 25 front and weighing 180 w/160mm travel w/29rs greatly helps keep the bead on the rim. I do run Cush-Core in the rear and will test the Eliminator with BLK DMD casing on the back with & without Cush-Core. I never run anything lower than 23-25 rear unless I forget to check the pressure and bump to 30 if/when itís rocky and fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    I like the aggressor quite a bit for mixed terrain, very predictable rear tire. Out here we have a lot of bike park type trails. Ride logging road up and rip down. If I do a lot of the latter under hardpack conditons the sideknobs undercut really really fast and the rest of the knobs round over. Typically I'm riding those type of trails after work and big backcountry type rides on the weekends. With that I need to move on to a new rear tire as they just dont last for me.

    My wishlist for a Maxxis tire would be an aggressor between the 2.3 and 2.5. A casing between exo and DD with much stouter sidelugs like a 2.5 dhf. For my riding that would be the ultimate rear tire.
    I only run the Agressor when i go out of town where there's a greater amount of climbing. I really like it but the side knobs cut up a lot. I dont notice much difference in RR with a DHR2 unless theres miles of strait climbing. I prefer the side knobs of the DhR2 anyway.

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    I am enjoying the Butcher over my usual DHF (as a front tire) but am finding it's limits.

    I'll make this my next front tire for sure. Interested in direct comparisons of the 2.6 Eliminator vs. the 2.5 DHF 3c in terms of absolute side grip and rolling resistance.

    Don't care nor want a true 2.6 tire. 2.4 - 2.5 is ideal for a front.

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    When I first read the press release on these, they sounded good for a rear. After seeing the pics and reading more here, I'm definitely interested in a 2.6 front, possibly 2.3 rear. Thanks to those sharing their thoughts!

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    who is selling these online? trying to avoid tax and shipping going direct to specialized. Google isnt helping

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasR6 View Post
    who is selling these online? trying to avoid tax and shipping going direct to specialized. Google isnt helping
    They're new enough that many stores don't have inventory yet. When they do it should show up with multiple stores in the Shopping tab on Google

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    They're new enough that many stores don't have inventory yet. When they do it should show up with multiple stores in the Shopping tab on Google
    I stand corrected, although I use the website to research Specializedís product mix I havenít purchased anything through it yet. I might be able to get more info on direct, online release!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMorvs View Post
    It was only released 1 week ago. specialized doesn't sell direct and avoids selling online to help drive foot traffic to LBS

    Not true. Where do you think I got my current eliminator? Specialized.com I was just trying to save a little money on the next order by avoiding taxes and shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    How can you guys run such low pressures on these grid casings?
    I have a butcher 29x2.6 as my front tire and run it at 17-18psi. I do notice it doesn't feel as firm at the same pressure as my DHF. However, I haven't had any issues with it. I weigh 180lbs and ride in the mountainous desert (hard pack, rocky, loose over hard).

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    Ok guys. The results are in. The eliminator grid 29x2.6 actually measures in at 2.413 at the widest point of the tread blocks and 2.482 at the widest point of the casing. This was measured on a race face ARC 30 rim with 30mm internal width. I will have a measurement of the 27.5x2.6 on the same rim this week. That tire, however, will be a blk dmnd casing. If my current butcher is any sort of barometer, the 27.5 will be much closer to a true 2.6

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    So, basically, it sounds like this is a great 29x2.4 front tire. Maybe the mini-Assegai (or, alternatively, Hans Dampf on steroids) that I've been waiting for. Pair it with your fast-rolling 2.2-2.4 rear of choice and I bet you'll have a hell of a fun time.

    ...just don't expect it to pair with any kind of actual mid-fat tire. They really need to start labeling their tires properly...

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    @boomn the Eliminator is now available direct from Specialized... https://www.specialized.com/us/en/el...=237557-157875
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    How much does the 29x2.6 weigh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    How much does the 29x2.6 weigh?
    I read somewhere in this thread- sub 1000? I think or maybe that was 2.3

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    @boomn the Eliminator is now available direct from Specialized... https://www.specialized.com/us/en/el...=237557-157875
    Yeah man. Itís been available for a couple weeks now. Iíve placed and received two orders already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    How much does the 29x2.6 weigh?
    My professional hand scale says it weighs less than the DHR it replaced and we know thatís under 1000. Itís light. Iím betting itís 900 or less

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    29 x 2.3 weighs 930 grams, so I would expect the 2.6 to weigh closer to 1000 grams.

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    I'm pretty interested in one of these for South African conditions - Dry n' dust or alot hard / loose over hard and rocks. I've been a fan of the Slaughter as a back tyre for years now but have been struggling with a front choice for a while now. I had a Ibex that was brilliant until it did that thing of looking like there was loads of life left in it but then trying to kill you each ride cos it was past it's sell by date.

    It's going on a set of flow mk3's for my evil.

    Next up was a butcher in grid 2.6 but i really didn't like the 'squirm' that I got from it on the front when I hit a slab, rock garden or boulder roll. Didn't inspire confidence (buzz... enduro bingo).

    I'm on a DHF and to be honest it's fine but it's not exactly speedy and I do find myself peddling in spots here I used to be thinking of maybe reaching for the panic levers. It's fine when you're railing down but for the sections in between it does feel a bit like a hand brake.

    Anyone throw any light on the squirm factor?

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    Anyone have feedback for PNW?

    Wondering how this holds up for wet rooty riding..front or rear

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehfour View Post
    Anyone have feedback for PNW?

    Wondering how this holds up for wet rooty riding..front or rear
    Iím doubting itís decent in slimy wet conditions. I live and ride in the northeast mountains, we have very similar wet conditions (lots of greasy wet root and rock) compared to the PNW. The new grid casing is too thin to provide any real damping effect and the gripton compound is awful in the wet, at least the butchers are. By awful I mean freaking terrifying. Itís no wonder Graves and Keene blow out every time itís wet.

    Disappointing as the old grid and rubber compounds were pretty good. Iím holding out hope that the BLKDMND is a bit better but at this point I donít trust the gripton enough to give this tire a shot. Too bad as it looks like an awesome tread pattern and itís probably great when itís dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elsinore View Post
    Iím doubting itís decent in slimy wet conditions. I live and ride in the northeast mountains, we have very similar wet conditions (lots of greasy wet root and rock) compared to the PNW. The new grid casing is too thin to provide any real damping effect and the gripton compound is awful in the wet, at least the butchers are. By awful I mean freaking terrifying. Itís no wonder Graves and Keene blow out every time itís wet.

    Disappointing as the old grid and rubber compounds were pretty good. Iím holding out hope that the BLKDMND is a bit better but at this point I donít trust the gripton enough to give this tire a shot. Too bad as it looks like an awesome tread pattern and itís probably great when itís dry.
    Im in the Mid Atlantic so lots of wet roots and rocks. Hopefully they perform similar to the Assegai. IMO the butcher is to open like the DHF.

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    I ran the Butcher BLK DMND in 2.3 in the wet and I was very surprised at how well it did on the wet rocks and roots when I was a very wet race preride in aspen colorado.

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    650 x 2.3 grid is 860 grams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weedling View Post
    650 x 2.3 grid is 860 grams
    Can you measure the width?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davideb87 View Post
    Can you measure the width?
    Sorry I returned it because its too light for me

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    has anyone mounted a 27.5x2.6 blk dmnd eliminator on a 35mm rim yet?

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    Raced on eliminator blkdmd casing

    OK, I removed my Purgatory and CushCore from my 29 rear wheel and installed the Eliminator 2.6 w/BLKDMD casing and raced on it during last weekend's Shreditation Retreat in Delaviega park in Santa Cruz. Specialized sent me these tires to try out and provide feedback so Iím only stating what I found positive about them and Iím not B.S.ín, anyone!!

    We didn't receive any rain/mosture to speak of so conditions were prime for the tire's intended use. The tire did absolutely fantastic in dusty, dry, hardpack single track with a few steep, off-camber, turns and a bit of sand. The good news, I think they helped me in my placing; I raced in Mens Open Cat 1 I took 2nd in Super D and 6th in Downhill on this tire! No compliants!

    Bonus: I rode both Eliminators in wet conditions yesterday, Thanksgiving, on single track between UCSC water tanks and Hwy 9, after receiving rain all day Wed. The tire works great for both front and rear in wet, rocky, steep terrain. #dustlessgription Again No Complaints!
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    Again No Complaints!
    What? You just told us that if you had any complaints that you were bound by contract to not share them. So by your own statement your report is not worth anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    What? You just told us that if you had any complaints that you were bound by contract to not share them. So by your own statement your report is not worth anything.
    Schulze: yes, itís totally ironic BUT, hey, Iím being honest!!! If I had something negative to say I wouldnít say anything at all so, if Iím providing a positive review, then Iím happy with the product. No complaints!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMorvs View Post
    Schulze: yes, itís totally ironic BUT, hey, Iím being honest!!! If I had something negative to say I wouldnít say anything at all so, if Iím providing a positive review, then Iím happy with the product. No complaints!!!
    Can you compare the Elimanator directly to the Butcher as a front both iin terms of rolling resistance but also dry/ rocky condition traction?

    I'd love to read a comparo to a DHF 2.5 3c but since you are sponsored by the big S that's not really fair to ask of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMorvs View Post
    Schulze: yes, itís totally ironic BUT, hey, Iím being honest!!! If I had something negative to say I wouldnít say anything at all so, if Iím providing a positive review, then Iím happy with the product. No complaints!!!
    That is, far and away the most disingenuous logic I have heard. You are telling us that the tires is objectively great, but that even if it were not, you wouldn't tell us what you didn't like about it, or what was wrong with it.... And for what exact reason? Why don't you just recuse yourself from the conversation as you clearly are not a source to be trusted in any way.
    I'm just gonna send it.

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    Iíve just mounted the 27.5 2.6 Eliminator Grid on the front on 33mm internal carbon hoops. With a Huck Norris dh. First thoughts, to me it looks just like the Kenda Hellkat (which is an awesome dry weather tire!). It replaced a Butcher 2.6 Grid. I liked the Butcher but it would sometimes squirm when pushed hard into corners, I kinda figured it was the tall but quite narrow side knobs. This new Eliminator measures 2.41 at the knobs brand new. I expect it to stretch a bit after some rides. Whatís immediately noticeable is how ďless tallĒ this tire is than the 2.6 Purgatory on the rear, and the side knobs are slightly wider than the Butchers so it shouldnít squirm around so much. Iíll post some pics this weekend and measure the height vs the Purg after a quick 9 mile ride.

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    Guys, please share direct comparisons between the Butcher & the Eliminator 2.6 as a front tire.
    Rolling resistance & dry weather traction.
    I'm running the Butcher right now and after an initial period where I missed some of the absolute traction of my previous DHF, i'm really enjoying the Butcher now. Pretty good dry traction while rolling and wearing great.

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    I havent gotten around to mounting them up but have compared them by sight and feel (very scientific lol)

    29 2.6 986g
    29 2.3 934g

    Compared to other tires that have more transition grip,this tire has a lot more sipping and the compound feels softer and more sticky than a SE4 and much better side knobs. So this tire should work much better in slick conditions(but a lot of tires are better in wet)

    Compared to the Assegai the knobs are 1mm shorter height and 3mm shorter length wise. Ill reserve judgment untill I can rid them. Ill set the 2.6 up front and 2.3 rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasR6 View Post
    Next; Specialized has definitely thinned out the sidewall of the grid casing. Itís now very similar in feel and weight to the DHR EXO 2.4 I removed. Might even be lighter. In my opinion that makes grid tires almost exclusively front specific now. Obviously your weight, terrain, and riding style may differ. As for the tread, the eliminator is really a platypus. I feel like it could good for both front and rear use. Iím about to go hit a familiar set of desert trails. Iíll provide a ride report later today but Iím definitely optimistic of the eliminatorís tread being match for my riding style and local desert terrain.
    I have noticed this newer thinner casing with the Grid lately, and I'm not happy about it. Result has been lots of punctures, pinch flats (when running tubes), and it also just weeps out tons of sealant through the sidewalls now. Gotta find a new go-to tire again.

    I rode my Sentinel most recently out in Vegas at a spot on the west end of town called "Suburbs". Buckskin Cliffs or some such thing. I certainly wanted to not have to run 35psi in my 2.3 Butcher Grid tires out there. But I still ended up pinch flatting with 35psi in the rear, and I weigh 185.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GH28 View Post
    I have noticed this newer thinner casing with the Grid lately, and I'm not happy about it. Result has been lots of punctures, pinch flats (when running tubes), and it also just weeps out tons of sealant through the sidewalls now. Gotta find a new go-to tire again.

    I rode my Sentinel most recently out in Vegas at a spot on the west end of town called "Suburbs". Buckskin Cliffs or some such thing. I certainly wanted to not have to run 35psi in my 2.3 Butcher Grid tires out there. But I still ended up pinch flatting with 35psi in the rear, and I weigh 185.
    If you like the butcher tread pattern then get the BLK DMND casing. It is like maxxis DD casing and worth the upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    If you like the butcher tread pattern then get the BLK DMND casing. It is like maxxis DD casing and worth the upgrade.
    I thought about that, but looking at the posted weights they are a HELL of a lot heavier.

    The prior Grid casings were just fine and seemed to weigh the same as they do now. Just need to find something like that.

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    The casing is really thin. Thinner than EXO, about the same as XR4 and i ripped onevof those. I'm not sure I'll even mount them up.

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    If you're looking for a good, fast rolling, dry weather tire you should certainly look at the Kenda Hellkat. I had two recently removed tires sitting around this summer. A Hellkat (en-dtc) and a Butcher (grid), both well used. Also 2.4 and 2.6, which as we all know is just a 2.4. The Hellkat was able to stand under its own weight only collapsing when dropped from about 2-3 inches. The Butcher could only stand up if balanced just right but usually not. Now I believe the Kendas are available in the atc compound also which is supposed to be burlier.

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    Specialized Eliminator?-img_20181129_080531326.jpg

    Put a Grid 29x2.6 on front a few days ago, this coming off a Aggressor 2.5 DC on the front. Have three rides on it so far, two in hero dirt conditions with few miles of pavement riding.

    Up front seems to roll just as good a Aggressor 2.5 (maybe even tad better) and seems to be biting/hooking up much better than Aggressor in corners. This is in dry Arizona desert riding.

    On 32mm inner rim, knob to knob measures (tape measure) almost exactly same as Aggressor 2.5 (63/64ish mm), side knobs are pretty much even with casing and has same roundness profile as Aggressor 2.5.

    Think this Eliminator 2.6 front and Aggressor 2.5 rear is going to be a good combo.

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    I got my first ride on a Grid (Front) 29X2.6 Eliminator after long term use of a 29X2.5wt DHF EXO 3C (30mm internal rim) and the Eliminator slightly lacks extreme lean angle traction as compared to the DHF but overall rolls much faster. I like it a lot.

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    I like my Butcher 2.6 a lot as it works well enough while rolling a lot better than my typical DHF2.5 3c.

    My question is, what differentiates the Eliminator from the Butcher? What specific conditions would make me choose one over the other?

    Thx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    My question is, what differentiates the Eliminator from the Butcher? What specific conditions would make me choose one over the other?
    Bingo.

    I'm confused why I want to add intermediate knobs for dry, dusty conditions? Those conditions describe the local trails in ABQ, NM for 10 months of the year - so if it's that much better than a 2.4 DHR2/2.5 DHF/2.5 HR2/2.6 Butcher, I'm all ears.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    If your trails are dry and open I would stick with tires that have a chanel between the center and side knobs. You'll get a better bite. Slick,off camber, really loose, or to tight to lean the bike is where a tire with transition knobs shine. But the transition knobs can get in the way of the side knobs getting a good bite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerberus75 View Post
    If your trails are dry and open I would stick with tires that have a chanel between the center and side knobs. You'll get a better bite. Slick,off camber, really loose, or to tight to lean the bike is where a tire with transition knobs shine. But the transition knobs can get in the way of the side knobs getting a good bite.
    According to Specialized its a "fill in the gap" tire.

    "Eliminator fills the gap between the Butcher (harder, compacted soils) and the Hillbilly (loose and wet soil). "

    So maybe does better in wet/loose than Butcher but gives up some dry/hard compact performance over Butcher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by In2falling View Post
    According to Specialized its a "fill in the gap" tire.

    "Eliminator fills the gap between the Butcher (harder, compacted soils) and the Hillbilly (loose and wet soil). "

    So maybe does better in wet/loose than Butcher but gives up some dry/hard compact performance over Butcher?
    It doesnt have the tread depth to be a great loose tire. But should grab better in transition in loose over hard.

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    Where might I find the best price shipped on an Eliminator currently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasR6 View Post
    Ok guys. The results are in. The eliminator grid 29x2.6 actually measures in at 2.413 at the widest point of the tread blocks and 2.482 at the widest point of the casing. This was measured on a race face ARC 30 rim with 30mm internal width. I will have a measurement of the 27.5x2.6 on the same rim this week. That tire, however, will be a blk dmnd casing. If my current butcher is any sort of barometer, the 27.5 will be much closer to a true 2.6
    FYI - I just checked my Butcher 27.5 X 2.6 Grid on a 30mm DT XM481 rim and it measures at the casing 2.426 and outer knobs 2.392. The tire is not brand new and has been on the bike and ridden for months.

    So it appears my 27.5x2.6 is measuring similar to your 29x2.6

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    29x2.6 Eliminator in Grid casing weighed in at 969gms

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    I ended up with a brand new unused Specialized Eliminator 29 x 2.3 Grid that I will sell for $50 shipped to the lower 48.
    If interested, let me know.

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    Can anybody compare
    Eliminator 29x2.6 vs Bontrager XR5 29x2.6?

    Corner bite, overall grip & RR?

    Looking to run one for a front and true 2.4ish would be good for me.
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    Eliminator BLCK DMND 29x2.3 true size? Width, weight and rolling resistance?

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    I just measured my 29x2.6 Eliminator on 27mm internal SC reserve wheels ridden 4 times:

    Casing: ~ 60.3ish mm for both outer knobby and casing width.

    Weight on my digital scale: 994 grams


    Just for fun:
    Aggressor 29X2.30 on the same rim just mounted measures 56.23 outer knobs and 55mm casing width and 874 grams

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    3rd ride on 2.6grid front and 2.3 black diamond rear and Iím really digging these tires so far. I had butchers 2.6 front and back which these replaced and these are much more grippier and more predictable than the butchers. The difference was very noticeable. Here in SoCal we have loose to hard pack and these have been great especially once I got the tire pressure right. At Skypark these things are stuck like glue to the perfectly groomed dirt. Hopefully next week Iíll be able to put them through the ringer with chunky rock gardens at Greer. But so far so good! Specialized Eliminator?-e6a6bc53-a941-4d0f-a13e-3cba3b349fc9.jpg

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    How do they roll on the back? I was thinking hard about the Hellkat/nevegal 2 combo, but specializeds buy one get one half off has me thinking of trying dual 2.6 eliminators.

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    Gauging solely from the front it feels like a fast tire. I will be moving mine to the rear as well. As a front it rocks except for the side lugs. They are not big enough nor stiff enough. When turning it up to 11 they start to become unpredictable & find their limitations pretty quickly. I Will most likely stick an SE5 2.6 up front. As of now my favorite front tire was the gen1 E13.
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    I've noticed that my Eliminator up front still looks really good, but the traction is notably less lately. It isn't bad just because I've used it plenty, but it's no longer ideal.

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    ďSpecialized eliminatorĒ... Sounds like the name of something sold at a truck stop touting claims of prescription strength constipation relief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shartist View Post
    ďSpecialized eliminatorĒ... Sounds like the name of something sold at a truck stop touting claims of prescription strength constipation relief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    I've noticed that my Eliminator up front still looks really good, but the traction is notably less lately. It isn't bad just because I've used it plenty, but it's no longer ideal.

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    May be a weird combo but I am trying a Specialized Ground Control 2.3 on the rear with an Eliminator 2.6 on front of my Fuel EX8. I loved the GC on my last bike. Really liked to grab a hold of root and rock edges so o figured Iíd give it a shot here. Now hopefully it dries up soon. Itís been raining for days. And nothing but rain for the next 2 weeks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantic29 View Post
    May be a weird combo but I am trying a Specialized Ground Control 2.3 on the rear with an Eliminator 2.6 on front of my Fuel EX8. I loved the GC on my last bike. Really liked to grab a hold of root and rock edges so o figured Iíd give it a shot here. Now hopefully it dries up soon. Itís been raining for days. And nothing but rain for the next 2 weeks.
    Interested in hearing you thoughts on this combo. I was thinking of running the same on my trail bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by driven916 View Post
    Interested in hearing you thoughts on this combo. I was thinking of running the same on my trail bike.
    Itís going to be a while unless I go on a trip Nothing but rain in the forecast and sound like they are getting ready to let the lakes go which mean my favorite trails will probably be inaccessible most of the trails at the lakes are underwater now. Might get to do some riding by the end of the summer at this rate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by driven916 View Post
    Interested in hearing you thoughts on this combo. I was thinking of running the same on my trail bike.
    Went on trip today. The Eliminator performed well. This was my first ride on grid casings so with my normal pressures I was getting bounced around a lot. I ended up with around 18 in the front after starting with 22. I donít want to be that low so If I keep the tire Iíll probably play with the suspension to plush up the ride and keep the air above 20. Also in all honesty this is too much tire for where I ride so will probably go a slightly different direction and keep this one for trips Iím expecting a little gnarlier terrain and higher speeds.

    The ground control I really like as a rear tire. I kind of wish it had ever so slightly taller knobs but it does well. I like the round profile of the tire at it rolls really well and transition nicely in the corners. I did get a puncture and I have never punctured before. Made a pretty good slice right in the top of the tire. Took 3 bacon strips to seal it up. Iíll ride it locally but it will be replaced by my next trip. I think I just hit a sharp rock and it punched right through. I was running 26 psi and was running pretty fast when it happened.


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    I purchased a Ground Control the other day, yet to install it. It will replace my Purgatory rear.

    I bought it on the buy one, one half-off sale. It was between the Ground Control and the Eliminator. Figured I'd try the Ground Control now that it is dry and hot, hard pack. I also have a new Purgatory for next season, or whenever I feel like changing.

    Maybe next May I'll do a Purgatory and Eliminator.

    My bike came equipped (used) with a Grid rear and Control Butcher front tire. After I slashed the front tire I replaced it with a Grid casing Butcher. Like above, I noticed I could lower the PSI a few because the Grid casing felt much stiffer. I like it, could lower it down and the suspension still worked well while the tired offered great traction.
    I'm not super great at making small suspension tweaks and figuring out where it is better, so I was quite surprised when I could feel a difference in the front tire by changing casing only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantic29 View Post
    Went on trip today. The Eliminator performed well. This was my first ride on grid casings so with my normal pressures I was getting bounced around a lot. I ended up with around 18 in the front after starting with 22. I donít want to be that low so If I keep the tire Iíll probably play with the suspension to plush up the ride and keep the air above 20. Also in all honesty this is too much tire for where I ride so will probably go a slightly different direction and keep this one for trips Iím expecting a little gnarlier terrain and higher speeds.

    The ground control I really like as a rear tire. I kind of wish it had ever so slightly taller knobs but it does well. I like the round profile of the tire at it rolls really well and transition nicely in the corners. I did get a puncture and I have never punctured before. Made a pretty good slice right in the top of the tire. Took 3 bacon strips to seal it up. Iíll ride it locally but it will be replaced by my next trip. I think I just hit a sharp rock and it punched right through. I was running 26 psi and was running pretty fast when it happened.
    I ended buying a 29x2.3" Eliminator Grid (930 grams) for the front with to match the 2.3" Ground Control Grid rear. On my 29mm internal width rims and 22 psi, the Eliminator was 2.37" wide at both the knobs and casing which was slightly wider than the GC and volume was similar. By comparison, Purgatory Grid I replaced was only 2.1" wide and smaller volume. I think it was the previous Grid casing though.

    I like that the Eliminator has taller knobs than the Purgatory, especially the larger side knobs for off-camber terrain. I thought it matched well with the GC, though I too wished the GC had slightly taller knobs. Maybe mine are just wearing out so I ended purchasing a new one with the half-off sale.

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    Anyone get the blk dmnd 29x2.6 on a scale? Thinking about running one on the front my trail bike but not if its going to be DH heavy

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    How much does that 29x2.3 black diamond weigh?

    Now that things are loose over hardpack not digging the 2.6 up front at all, she's coming off.
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    WHAT??? they're nearly the same size??

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    Just picked up a 2.6 for my Enduro. Hopefully get it mounted soon and off to the bike park and a few other good trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by driven916 View Post
    Interested in hearing you thoughts on this combo. I was thinking of running the same on my trail bike.
    Iíve ridden 400 miles with this combo on an Ibis Mojo SL-R. 27.5 x 2.3 Eliminator Grid front and 27.5 x 2.1 Ground Control Grid rear - I converted the Mojo to 27.5 and a 2.1 is the biggest tire that will fit in the rear. I ride the Front Range of Colorado and have the tires mounted on Stanís ZTR Crest rims. I am sure Specialized didnít design the Eliminator around a 21mm rim so take my experience for what it is.

    First off, the Mojo is a blast on 27.5 wheels and Iím going a little faster downhill than last year on a Pivot Mach 5 - 27.5 X 2.3 Butcher Grid front and 26 x 2.3 Purgatory Grid rear.

    The Ground Control has performed as expected. It rolls pretty fast, has pretty good grip and weeps sealant. This tire seems to be wearing a little quicker but I have been riding more challenging rock gardens. There have been a couple times I missed the added grip of the Purgatory but I am happy with the Ground Control as a good all rounder.

    I ride at 185 pounds so I am probably close to the limit for a ZTR Crest on rocky trials. To compensate, I ran a little higher pressure (25 psi) at first and did not like the Eliminator at all. It felt sketchy and was not nearly as grippy as the Butcher. Once I started trusting the rims and dropped the pressure (23 psi), I really started to like this tire. I am carrying a lot more speed through corners and leaning this bike farther over than I ever have in the past. I canít say that I like it better than the Butcher but I am definitely riding harder and it is working for me. I would love to try it on a little wider rim, but the Crest just keeps going. After 400 miles on the front, Eliminator still looks new.

    I have ridden Specialized tires exclusively for the past 10 years. I started out with a Ground Control front and a Fast Trak rear. As my skills improved and I reached a tireís limit, I would move on to the next aggressive tread. In my experience, the Purgatory and Eliminator are very sensitive to the correct air pressure while the Butcher just seems to work.

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    Got a good day at the local bike park with the Eliminator 2.6. I unfortunately just destroyed my rear wheel so I put on an old wheel with a worn Butcher just to get by on. My favorite trail at the park is a natural type trail with very little maintenance and grooming. So when it starts to dry out, the corners get blown. Add to it, they added some more rocks and a wood feature in one spot to try and slow you down...I set my PR in those conditions. That was with the rear sliding around WAY too much through corners.

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    What's weird about the Eliminator, is those things barely show wear, but they definitely work less well after a period of time. But it's not a problem because other tires would look worn out AND not work.

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    Iím not sure why everyone is saying they work less or are not as grippy with time mine have been great so far I havenít noticed a difference in grip from the first time I rode them. They showing usual wear and tear same as the butcher. Iím riding some really loose dry conditions and they have performed great so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
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    Eliminator 29x2.6 vs Bontrager XR5 29x2.6?

    Corner bite, overall grip & RR?

    Looking to run one for a front and true 2.4ish would be good for me.
    SE5 2.6 on 30mm rims made for an awful front tire...I mean really bad. Tracking was pull you all over the trail terrible and braking at awkward moments wanted to throw you right to the ground. Can't remember ever disliking a tire so much. Oddly in deep sand/silt and deeper cobble/rocks it was fantastic perhaps the most stable tire I've ever run. Fortunately the PNW doesn't have a lot of that. There's $65 down the drain
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    So an update on my GC Grid experiment. While I like the tire the Tire didnít last. I punctured it my first ride out. Plugged it kept going, went to Arkansas on a trip and by the end of the trip I could no longer trust the tire. Numerous cuts on the tread, a couple blocks almost ripped off and when I pulled the tire off it was full of pictures that were plugged by the sealant luckily. So now Iím on a Double Down aggressor, wasnít going to go for a DD but I got a killer deal so Iíll see how I like it. The Eliminator GRID up front has performed very well and itís going to stay there til itís worn out. I donít think the GRID tires are cut out for life as a rear tire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantic29 View Post
    I donít think the GRID tires are cut out for life as a rear tire.
    They absolutely are not. But they do very well on the front it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    SE5 2.6 on 30mm rims made for an awful front tire...I mean really bad. Tracking was pull you all over the trail terrible and braking at awkward moments wanted to throw you right to the ground. Can't remember ever disliking a tire so much. Oddly in deep sand/silt and deeper cobble/rocks it was fantastic perhaps the most stable tire I've ever run. Fortunately the PNW doesn't have a lot of that. There's $65 down the drain
    Is this because of the rounded profile? I have an XR5 2.6 on a 30mm rim and I don't like how far I have to lean it to bite. I have a 38mm rim on the way; we'll see how it does then.

    As for the Eliminator, it should corner better than the Butcher in the dry because the corner knobs are closely spaced together, which means they will deform less. The Butcher's knobs are soft and fold over a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    Is this because of the rounded profile?
    That is my best guess, so rounded not a lot of rubber is touching. It's like riding on an edge in the center & as soon you bias it left or right it wants to roll/pull you in that direction. It's also quite tall compared to other 2.6's of the same width I've tried recently. I'd confidently wager the tire would ride MUCH better on a wider rim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phuchmileif View Post
    What's 'like a Maxxis 2.6' mean? 'Cause I feel like the Maxxis tires are pretty true to their rated sizes, albeit the 2.5-2.6 seem to do it all with tread width, with casings that seem a bit narrow compared to some others.

    I also was under the impression that the GRID casing was already as light as Exo, if not lighter. Seems like Spesh often gets the same complaints as WTB: weepy sidewalls.

    I guess, technically, it's possible to have a carcass that is heavier/thicker but still more permeable...those are just not qualities I typically associate with each other, though. I have often wondered why porosity is such a big issue with mountain bike tires, though. You would think it wouldn't be that hard to get a layer of nylon (or poly or aramid or whatever) fully coated with rubber, with no pinholes. And then fully coat THAT with a sealer on the inside.

    ...bike tires are sealed, right? Silly question, but I'm never really thought about it. Just assumed that, like a standard tubeless car tire, there is a coating on the inside that limits permeability. It's also always bothered me that, even with a good wheel/tire and a good tubeless sealant, bike tires don't hold air nearly as well as a cheapass car tire installed dry on a cheapass wheel. If you disregard pressure loss due to ambient temperature drop, car tires only lose 1-2psi a month. Set a tire to 35 and leave it for a year, and it'll still have a good 15-20psi, at least. Tubeless bike tires are flat in a month, usually...

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    Just going off the cuff here but there are very different forced at work in a mtb tire vs a vehicle driven non-aggressively. Sealing internally for example works better for a tire not undergoing constant flexing significantly out of it's static shape. Vehicle tires also have much heavier wire beads that keep it sealed better. Ever see a car tire burp air for example?
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    After thousands of miles on a tire that wasn't meant to take the abuse I put it through, my grid casing Eliminator tore last night. No big deal. I love this tire. The bigger disappointment was when my blck dmnd casing one got an unsealable puncture last year at the dh park. That said, I'm still a specialized tire fan. But I've never had ride-ending damage to any of my maxxis tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foggnm View Post
    But I've never had ride-ending damage to any of my maxxis tires.
    Seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ungod View Post
    Seriously?
    Yup. Could be just good luck but 2 spez tires in one year. Won't stop me from buying them.

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    We go through Maxxis sidewalls in my area like toilet paper. The GRID sidewalls aren't significantly thicker than Exo, but I consider them an upgrade. Kenda or Vittoria casings are much better than either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ungod View Post
    We go through Maxxis sidewalls in my area like toilet paper. The GRID sidewalls aren't significantly thicker than Exo, but I consider them an upgrade. Kenda or Vittoria casings are much better than either.
    I guess you just shred a lot harder.

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    Specialized Eliminator?

    Itís been my experience that neither the Grid or the EXO are suitable as rear tires. Thinking of trying Teravail or Kenda next. As far as durability goes I have had my best luck with Bontrager XR series tires funny enough. But I donít like the tread profile of them. Too round.


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    Quote Originally Posted by foggnm View Post
    I guess you just shred a lot harder.
    No, just lots of pokey rocks. EXO is definitely not a good casing for rear tires for my area. Then again it's also a numbers thing...most people in my area ride Maxxis, so it's only natural that they would have the most failures.

    I had good luck with recent GRID casings in my area, but sometimes it's just luck.

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