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    Spank Spike 350 Vibrocore: Anyone else on them yet?

    Just wanted to start a thread because there aren't any reviews yet. I had a wheel built up with the rims, Sram 900 Hubs, Dt Swiss Champion Dbl butted spokes, 32 hole. Due to work, have only had one ride on them and it was mostly flow trail/bike park stuff. The previous wheelset was a Roval Travese Aluminum wheelset with same branded hubs, 29mm internal width. Here are my thoughts:

    Looks: The rims look greet to me! This is my 3rd set of Spank Rims and they all have had a quality appearance. Only thing I don't like is the vibrocore graphic but it's not took bad.

    Tubeless setup: Had the LBS set them up tubeless. The shop used gorilla tape and the tires didn't stay inflated overnight. The shop then used some Specialized and Orange tubeless tape and the tires have been fine tubeless since. I noticed was that the same tires (Specialized Butcher/Slaughter 2.3's) from the previous wheelset appeared to have more volume but measured out the same.

    Ride quality: The wheels felt much stiffer than the previous wheelset (Rovals were 24F/28R. Maybe this is due to the increased spoke count. over roots and rocks it felt like the vibrocore foam muted the bumps, roots, rock and drops. I was on my 160 travel bike but there was a pronounced difference. I weigh about 230 geared up and on my 2-4 foot drops the landings had more of a "thud" sound which took some getting used to.

    Overall: I think these rims will be great. I hope to take them out this week to more rocky terrain to see they fare. I am really looking forward to hearing other people's experiences with these rims!

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    Also interested in the 350s. Specifically the non-vibrocore, but also curious about its effects. Seems more suited for dh park duty?

    But, I am very keen on the non-vib 350s as a trail-duro (I don't race, but fast is fun) rim, being lighter than the 345, and yet stiffer?

    Feedback on how they have been holding up (both versions) is welcome!
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    matches these with cushcore and a 11-6 and you will be able to smash anything and not feel it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotax7 View Post
    Also interested in the 350s. Specifically the non-vibrocore, but also curious about its effects. Seems more suited for dh park duty?

    But, I am very keen on the non-vib 350s as a trail-duro (I don't race, but fast is fun) rim, being lighter than the 345, and yet stiffer?

    Feedback on how they have been holding up (both versions) is welcome!
    I wasn't aware when I ordered them that the Vibro 350's were meant for FR/DH/Park. I've been waiting for the release since the announcement and ordered form the first place that had them in stock! I also had been debating getting carbon rims but decided this may be a good enough alternative for me. I'm not a hucker or aggressive rider but I like to ride over obstacles so I figured a little foam couldn't hurt.

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    Iíve got the standard non-vibracore 350 rim on order for my rear wheel on my Knolly. Looks like a sweet rim and decent weight.

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    Got an email from Jenson advertising a discount on Spank and saw these rims listed - I hadn't seen them released yet and obviously missed this thread! I've always wanted to try Spank rims (had been looking at Oozy 345 before these). Weight is competitive for a strong 30mm internal rim with or without foam... and seriously 50g when you're going to run 1kg tires? I'll be curious to hear how you guys get on with them.

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    So far so good for me! Definitely takes the sting out of the trail. I'm actually running a higher PSI than I used to and it's still a smoother ride, even on my hardtail. I also have the Oozy Trail 395+ for my 27.5 build. No issues with them. Part of what motivated to do a new wheel build with Spank rims. Let us know if you get the rims or wheelset Crimedog!

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    I just picked up my Spank Oozy 350 (non-vibracore) rims yesterday. They look great! Even came with a sticker and rim strip (for non-tubeless use). Weighed in a 510g without rim strip. When my I9 hubs arrive I'll build these up.
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    I also am interested in these wheels. If they do in fact, take the sting out of rough and choppy trails, Iíll consider ordering a set. And theyíre competitively priced. Spank wheels are known for being super tough. Everyone I know that has the older models love them. And they look really good.
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    I got my Spank 350 (non-vibro) wheelset from CoCyclist last week. While I haven't used them, nor have a bike to put them on yet, I'm very excited to try them out. CC was great to work with via email. Hope hubs, silver spokes-really like how they turned out. Just need to add a bike and I'll provide some feedback.Spank Spike 350 Vibrocore: Anyone else on them yet?-p_20180413_212142_vhdr_auto.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by rotax7 View Post
    I got my Spank 350 (non-vibro) wheelset from CoCyclist last week. While I haven't used them, nor have a bike to put them on yet, I'm very excited to try them out. CC was great to work with via email. Hope hubs, silver spokes-really like how they turned out. Just need to add a bike and I'll provide some feedback.Click image for larger version. 

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    Do you have a weight for the wheelset, 29Ē by the looks of it. Similar wheels to want I want to build for a future bike.

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    I just picked up a set of the non-vibrio Spank 350 from Cycle Wheels USA as well. Went with Hope Pro 4 hubs. Popped some tires on there last night with zero problems. Havenít had a chance to ride them yet but they seem every bit of quality as previous Spank rims Iíve owned. Looking forward to seeing how they do in the Trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiny View Post
    Do you have a weight for the wheelset, 29Ē by the looks of it.
    29" Spank 350 (non-vibrocore), Hope 4 hubs, SRAM, tubeless rim tape, tubeless valve stems:

    2.14# rear
    2.12# front

    4.26# wheelset

    I'm quite happy with that. Was actually a bit boggled by the lack of difference between front and rear. This is with NO cassette, NO discs, NO thru axles.

    These should be quite a bit lighter than my 'cheap' 26er wheels that I'm currently on. Bit more weight in rubber for the 29s, but should still be similar once ready to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotax7 View Post
    29" Spank 350 (non-vibrocore), Hope 4 hubs, SRAM, tubeless rim tape, tubeless valve stems:

    2.14# rear
    2.12# front

    4.26# wheelset

    I'm quite happy with that. Was actually a bit boggled by the lack of difference between front and rear. This is with NO cassette, NO discs, NO thru axles.

    These should be quite a bit lighter than my 'cheap' 26er wheels that I'm currently on. Bit more weight in rubber for the 29s, but should still be similar once ready to ride.
    Thanks, not bad for an alloy 29er wheelset, currently on 26Ē Spank Oozys, fantastic rims. Will definetly look at these when the time comes.

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    How is it to mount and dismount tires on the Spike/Oozy 350 rims? Any more or less difficult than a standard drop center rim with a deeper center channel?

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    I just did my first ride in the non vibro 350 and I was quite pleased. They give a very compliant ride is the best way I can put it. Stiff but seem to help absorb some of the chatter. Of course, tire choice and pressure are going to play into that as well however.

    As for mounting tires, I wouldnít say itís more difficult itís just a little different. Instead of one Channel thereís twos you just want to make sure the bead sits in the channel on the side youíre working on. In some ways I think it makes inflating the tire easier.

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    Just a quick update. I have now ridden my Vibrocore rims on 2 FS bikes (aluminum & carbon) and a carbon hardtail. These rims are awesome! On the FS it feels like I am cheating. Rocks, roots, trail chatter are barely noticeable. You know it's there but it doesn't jar you. My hands and arms aren't as sore after rides. The hard tail is a little different obviously, but the vibrations/chatter is still reduced. I don't have a direct comparison to carbon, but my wheels feel stiff and I am holding my lines compared to previous wheels. Oh, and they look pretty sweet too!
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    Anyone work with Spank on warranty issues? Just mounted up a brand new Oozy 295+ wheel set, and the rear rim is notably out of true, and seems to be splitting at the theoretically welded seam. Just put a claim in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotax7 View Post
    29" Spank 350 (non-vibrocore), Hope 4 hubs, SRAM, tubeless rim tape, tubeless valve stems:

    2.14# rear
    2.12# front

    4.26# wheelset
    1) Any updates?
    2) What spokes / nipples are you running?
    3) Are the graphics removable stickers, or non-removable water slide / etched?

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    I laced up mine last night. Oozy 350 (non-vibrocore), Wheelsmith double butted spokes, wheelsmith brass nipples, 32 holes, laced 3x to Industry Nine Torch Boost hubs.

    Front: 899g
    Rear: 1015g
    Wheelset: 1914g (without valves or tape)

    The rim quality is impressive, the graphics are etched and not removable.
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    ^ Thanks!!

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    I got oozy 350 from Colorado cyclist. Dt Swiss hubs. Bontrager se5 tires. Around the yard on 2-3 foot drops much better then stock duster elite wheels. Excited to get them on a real ride though this weekend. Love the low profile to them. Hopefully they stay nice and true. Prior reviews said they are strong.


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    Almost no feedback out there on vibrocore rims since there debut in March. I'd figure reviews would be off the charts is these were a significant difference to conventional dh rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Bone View Post
    1) Any updates?
    2) What spokes / nipples are you running?
    3) Are the graphics removable stickers, or non-removable water slide / etched?
    1) 3 days in I ruined a rear wheel. Replacing the 350 for a 295.

    2) DTS Comp 14/15 gauge, brass nipples. (The rebuild will be with DTS Champion 14 straight gauge.)

    3) <I think someone answered this adequately already.> I personally don't mess with/care about colors and graphics much. So its w/e.


    FWIW, I made a mistake and landed on the edge of a T-post with the corner of the rim. A narrower rim may have missed it all together.. Live, learn, ride, repeat.

    The worst part has been getting the correct length spokes for the different ERD on the 295 vs 350. My suggestion: learn how to use a spoke calc yourself, get ERD and hub measurements yourself, order the correct length spokes yourself.

    I chose the 295 more so because of its sale price..but also think a narrower rim will work fine/better for my situation (2.3-2.4" tires). Similar weight to the 350. I considered the 295 on rear when I was having the wheelset built up initially, but wanted to keep it simple at the time..
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    I just laced up vibrocore 350ís this morning and took them out for a good 3 hour ride with a rocky/footy high speed descent. It felt like I was running lower psi than I normally do. I kept checking the tires. It does smooth out the ride a bit and Iím hearing more tires on dirt and less bike chatter. Iíll post again with a good review after I spend more time on them.

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    I have a few solid days on my new setup - vibro 350 on hope pro 4.

    These take the sting out of hard hits very well. At the same time, the lateral stiffness is right up there with any other heavy hitter aluminum wheel I've ridden.

    Overall - the wheels are light enough and the ride quality has improved on my bike.

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    Now if only we could talk Spank into releasing the 26" rim to us mere mortals. They make them as they are available to Team riders, but not us Squids.
    Would kill for a 26/27.5 set of Vibe350's.
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    https://www.jensonusa.com/Spank-Spik...re-29-Wheelset

    Just grabbed these from JensonUSA and I'm stoked about them...my first run with these will be at BIG BEAR SUMMIT Bike PArk...so YO..Whats UP!! And like the initial post I too am coming from Specialized rims so GLAD to hear they a lot STIFFER!! (He said Stiffer) My rear hub exploded, didn;t notice the crack until a pre check up for DOWNIEVILLE... so disappointing..eneded up renting an Ibis Mojo HD4 ... so not to disappointing...
    But anyways... back to home and on my Stumpy... I'm excited to break these in with some SHREDDING THIS WEEKEND!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDjEdi View Post
    https://www.jensonusa.com/Spank-Spik...re-29-Wheelset

    Just grabbed these from JensonUSA and I'm stoked about them...my first run with these will be at BIG BEAR SUMMIT Bike PArk...so YO..Whats UP!! And like the initial post I too am coming from Specialized rims so GLAD to hear they a lot STIFFER!! (He said Stiffer) My rear hub exploded, didn;t notice the crack until a pre check up for DOWNIEVILLE... so disappointing..eneded up renting an Ibis Mojo HD4 ... so not to disappointing...
    But anyways... back to home and on my Stumpy... I'm excited to break these in with some SHREDDING THIS WEEKEND!!!!!!
    Any feedback on the ride quality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by homeslice View Post
    Any feedback on the ride quality?

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    Just like the above..compared to my stock specialized rims...these are stiffer, and they don't feel like they're heavy, responsive and yup...added grip with the xtra width. Love these rims.

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    Laced up a set of 29r Vibro 350's this past April with Hadley SDH hubs and DT Competition 16/14 polished silver spokes...I have been riding them all spring/summer long on a trail bike - Trek Fuel EX9 - My fat(ish) arse (220#) was knocking the stock SRAM Roam wheels out of true through high speed turns, jumps into compression turns -- they were basically terrible for holding any line at speed... ALL of that changed once I switched over to these Beefeaters, monster wheels for a trail bike, but holy crap do I love how stiff yet compliant they are - I get less fatigue through the ride overall, simply put? I now go faster with the same efforts as before these wheels!

    I'm running 2.4" Maxxis Ardents and they clearly are wider on the vibros than they were on the stock setup. For me, it's hard to tell if the added grip and speed is coming from the wider rim profile or the wheel's natural ability to avoid flexing at speed or under compression. Eventhough these wheels are heavier than the stock SRAM's, I am faster and feel more confident on the bike.

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    I built up a set of Spike 350 vibracore to Hope Pro 4 with Sapim Race spokes and Polyax brass nipples a few months ago.

    They are superb wheels. They replaced some Zelvy carbon and track just as well with excellent lateral stiffness. They are noticeably more quiet on the trail and seem very plush and smooth, backing up the claims of radial compliance.

    I did however, manage to put a tiny flat spot on the rim bed of the rear with a fairly innocuous rock strike, right at the rim joint. It wouldn't seal on the trail and required a tube to get going again. Once home, I retaped the rim and popped a couple of extra strips of tape at the flat point. Still leaked at that point without sealant but stopped quickly when sealant went in.

    Overall, I couldn't recommend these rims more highly and will happily build more when needed.

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    I got a couple rides on the stock Vibrocore 350 wheels; one very rocky trail, one smooth jump line. Quite happy so far. Coming from Stan's Flow Mk III and Stan's Flow EX. I also demo'd a 2018 Transition Scout with e13 wheels.

    My 2.35 tires look a bit weird on 'em.

    The rear hub is relatively quiet. After the noisy e13 wheels, I was hoping it wouldn't be much worse than the Stan's but I think it's actually less noise. No issue with engagement.

    I know most people use wider rims to run fatter tires with lower pressures, but I found I wasn't getting pummeled as bad with the vibrocore wheels on that rocky trail, so I went with silly high pressure, something around 35-40psi IIRC. Still had enough grip and the ride was acceptable. Next I rode the jump line and the difference in rolling resistance was very noticeable; had to hit the brakes where I normally am pumping hard to get more speed. It felt like riding a concrete park with a BMX or DJ that really hasn't got enough air pressure vs one that does. Yet I still had grip on dry cracked dirt.

    I didn't really notice the extra weight.

    I'm looking forward to trying something fast and brutally bumpy. One of the UC Santa Cruz trails just shook my teeth out last winter and I want a rematch.

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    Oh also, the fit on these rims with my entire inventory of tires was insane. I cursed a whole bunch the first time, but you get used to it. I'm now fitting wide trail Maxxis tires and I can get them on within five minutes. They hold air without any tire goo.

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    What are you guys using for rim tape with these? When Colorado cyclist built my wheels they used stans but the tape wasnít conformed and had high edges so when I change tires I have a feeling it will peel off. Stans said bead bite is a joke so run 33mm. Universal cycles said stans 21 mm would be fine just to cover spoke holes. Or do I get the spank ooba 25mm. Thanks.


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    Spank suggests you use 30mm tape on the 350 Vibrocore rims. Personally, I've had good luck with 25mm tape.

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    I feel like the 30 will just sit on the bead bite and could potentially rip off with the changing of a tire. 25 would probably would hold up to more tire changes but 30 would last longer if left alone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sethd513 View Post
    What are you guys using for rim tape with these? When Colorado cyclist built my wheels they used stans but the tape wasnít conformed and had high edges so when I change tires I have a feeling it will peel off. Stans said bead bite is a joke so run 33mm. Universal cycles said stans 21 mm would be fine just to cover spoke holes. Or do I get the spank ooba 25mm. Thanks.


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    Sit a inner tube in there and inflate it to max (with tire on of course!)...that way the tape will seat super flat on the rim. Now go back and set it up for tubeless....done.

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    I assume I have whatever was stock and I've been through three tires changes already. Tape is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    I assume I have whatever was stock and I've been through three tires changes already. Tape is fine.
    Yeah, same here, working great. I wouldnt worry to much about it

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    Spank recommends a thin tape with two wraps. Their method is to tape all the way up the wall to the hook and repeat on the other side, giving two layers over the spoke holes and one on the bead bite. Detailed in the link above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDjEdi View Post
    Yeah, same here, working great. I wouldnt worry to much about it

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    I see that, will one roll come with enough to do that? I did order the spank 30mm tape


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    Quote Originally Posted by sethd513 View Post
    I see that, will one roll come with enough to do that? I did order the spank 30mm tape


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    Not sure, the rims I bought we're ready with tape and stems...just add sealant , done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crimedog View Post
    Spank recommends a thin tape with two wraps. Their method is to tape all the way up the wall to the hook and repeat on the other side, giving two layers over the spoke holes and one on the bead bite. Detailed in the link above.
    Quote Originally Posted by sethd513 View Post
    I see that, will one roll come with enough to do that? I did order the spank 30mm tape


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    I use this stuff and tape as per @crimedog's post. Cheap as chips and 50m does many wheels.

    Not sure if it's available outside Australia but I would think something similar would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sethd513 View Post
    I see that, will one roll come with enough to do that? I did order the spank 30mm tape


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    I saw somewhere that Spank rates their rolls as enough to do two 29er wheels (their method is two layers)

    If anyone's interested what I've read for these forums and who knows where else is that this is the same tape:
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    Hi, anymore updates on riding with these?

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    5 or 6 months on my oozy 350. I ride as hard as I can till my body gives out. Straightline a rock garden I donít care. No rim strikes and true as the day they were installed. Best thing Iíve bought for my bike. Stiff.


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    Old thread, but thought there might still be some folks out there considering the Spank 350 non-vibro rims. Three rides in I am really liking them.The compliancy and tracking are noticeably better than my former stock Bonty Line Comp 30s. Plenty stiff, and they seem to spin up to speed a bit faster. New 29er wheelset with Project 321 hubs weighed in at 1906g with tubeless tape and valves, about 250g lighter than the Bontys. Couldn't be happier.
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    I just had a pair of 350s (non-vibro) built with Sapim Laser spokes, and Hope Pro 4s. Local wheel-builder was very impressed with the rim quality; first time lacing Spank. Can't wait to properly ride them; buried in snow. 1840ish grams
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    Where did you get them from?
    Bough the rims at Worldwide Cyclery. (https://worldwidecyclery.com) Spokes and hubs were sourced elsewhere; Merlin Cycles and Amazon.

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    is this weight for 29" or 27.5? Sorry I can't tell from the photo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clfurness View Post
    is this weight for 29" or 27.5? Sorry I can't tell from the photo!
    My 27.5 350 vibracore rims weighed 528 and 540g each, bare.

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    yikes. I went for Hunt Trail Wide rims and they came in at 480g each for 29ers! about 40g under the manufacturer estimate too!

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    One for you fellow wheel builders.

    Do you use nipl washers when using this rim?

    I've build two sets without just using the normal 12mm brass nipl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorjensen View Post
    One for you fellow wheel builders.

    Do you use nipl washers when using this rim?

    I've build two sets without just using the normal 12mm brass nipl.
    Didn't use washers on my set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorjensen View Post
    One for you fellow wheel builders.

    Do you use nipl washers when using this rim?

    I've build two sets without just using the normal 12mm brass nipl.
    Spank recommends them on early production rims but have built them into later rims:

    https://spank-ind.com/apps/help-cent...g-requirements

    I donít plan to use them when the time comes to build a set.

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    Ahh sometimes it helps to read the FAQ. Thx. Had to trim the Vibrocore with a 7mm drill bit to ensure proper nipl seating on my builds. Superb that future rims have been updated.

    Going to build a 29er non-vibro set next for my HT.

    Well just got some info back from the build I made for a friend using 27.5 Vibro on Vault hubs and dt comp . Rear went totally out of true in one bikepark visit, but the again the rider is 330lb without gear. NDS came loose. Can't seem to find a max weight on em...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clfurness View Post
    is this weight for 29" or 27.5? Sorry I can't tell from the photo!
    Sorry for the super late response; 29".

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiny View Post
    Spank recommends them on early production rims but have built them into later rims:

    https://spank-ind.com/apps/help-cent...g-requirements

    I donít plan to use them when the time comes to build a set.
    Those recommendations came after my wheelset was built. I wonder if they had field issues. Bummer as I did 2X (for lateral stiffness) and no washers.

    After a few hundred miles, they've been solid with no truing or re-tensioning needed.

    Why aren't you using washers? Just curious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricanfred View Post
    Those recommendations came after my wheelset was built. I wonder if they had field issues. Bummer as I did 2X (for lateral stiffness) and no washers.

    After a few hundred miles, they've been solid with no truing or re-tensioning needed.

    Why aren't you using washers? Just curious...
    Running Spank 295s currently with no washers and the wheels have been very solid and when I get around to building a set of 350s donít see a need given my 295s have been fine.

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    Hmmpf. Had the opportunity to check my spoke tension as I went back from park to normal trail tires. The tension was at rear DS around 90kgf with tires and 110kgf without tires. I gave all the spokes more tension and ended up rear DS at 130kgf and with tires the tension had dropped to 110kgf. Front NDS at 105kgf.
    I think that's a massive drop in tension on this rim - or what are your take on it???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorjensen View Post
    Hmmpf. Had the opportunity to check my spoke tension as I went back from park to normal trail tires. The tension was at rear DS around 90kgf with tires and 110kgf without tires. I gave all the spokes more tension and ended up rear DS at 130kgf and with tires the tension had dropped to 110kgf. Front NDS at 105kgf.
    I think that's a massive drop in tension on this rim - or what are your take on it???
    How many miles and what spoke brand/model?

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    Couple of 100mi (don't clock my riding).
    DT Comp spokes and 12mm brass nips with DT350 Boost hubs.

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    Anyone running 27.5 x 2.6Ē on the 350 Vibrocore? Or am I better of going with the 395s.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steinercat View Post
    Anyone running 27.5 x 2.6Ē on the 350 Vibrocore? Or am I better of going with the 395s.

    Thanks!
    Yup.
    I run a 2.6 Bontrager SE5 up front and i'm stoked on that setup. I tend to to be too concerned about all the WT talk vs rim width. Both Stan's and WTB seem to think that on a 29ID rim you can run up to 2.8".
    Tho I see the 2.6 as the golden width if you want no squirm, lots of grip and a more "soft" ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorjensen View Post
    Yup.
    I run a 2.6 Bontrager SE5 up front and i'm stoked on that setup. I tend to to be too concerned about all the WT talk vs rim width. Both Stan's and WTB seem to think that on a 29ID rim you can run up to 2.8".
    Tho I see the 2.6 as the golden width if you want no squirm, lots of grip and a more "soft" ride.
    Nice!

    Iím planning on running Minions, 2.6Ē front and 2.4Ē rear.

    I tried 2.8Ē but just a bit too wide and pressure too low, for me.

    Thanks!

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    Spank Spike 350 Vibrocore: Anyone else on them yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorjensen View Post
    Hmmpf. Had the opportunity to check my spoke tension as I went back from park to normal trail tires. The tension was at rear DS around 90kgf with tires and 110kgf without tires. I gave all the spokes more tension and ended up rear DS at 130kgf and with tires the tension had dropped to 110kgf. Front NDS at 105kgf.
    I think that's a massive drop in tension on this rim - or what are your take on it???
    Any other tension issues?

    I just had mine checked and they were OK. Wheelset has been solid even though I had them built 2X and with no washers as advised by Spank. Looks like they've discontinued the rim for a slightly heavier one. Field issues maybe??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricanfred View Post
    Any other tension issues?

    I just had mine checked and they were OK. Wheelset has been solid even though I had them built 2X and with no washers as advised by Spank. Looks like they've discontinued the rim for a slightly heavier one. Field issues maybe??
    Well I tested them a few weeks ago in the Austrian Alps incl Leogang and no tension issues. But I raised the tight side front and rear to 130kgf which is a bit more than I used before. When I got hold of my 350 Vibro, pre may 2019, I believe the FAQ said 110-120kgf. But now it says 130-140kgf and I have not seen that high a reccommended tension before. Are they trying to compensate for something perhaps???
    The rims are of SUPERB quality and the Vibrocore really helps my arthritis hands but I think the pre may 2019 rims suffer with tires mounted. Mabey the new ones gets less affected by the tires.
    I'm up for a new 29" wheelset build for my upcomming enduro bike but I have to say that i'm more drawn to my no BS tank build WTB asym's wt69.

    I've build up a 350 Vibro on Vault hubs with the same 130kgf and a single 29" Vibro on a Hope Pro4 again 130kgf. There has been no issues with them.

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    I haven't had any issues with mine, though I think they aren't the right pairing with my mid-travel bike. I'm mostly riding smooth jump lines, so looking for a lighter wheelset. Will use this one for a burlier build.

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    Had a set of 29 Vibrocores built up with Onyx hubs by Chad at Redbarn in April.
    So far tension is good, not a wibble to be seen and I like the muted but not dead trail feel.

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    Can any one compare the vibrocore to say a carbon wheel? I have some nobl carbon wheels already but am thinking of trying something new.. would the spanks be a big down grade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortsnarb View Post
    Can any one compare the vibrocore to say a carbon wheel? I have some nobl carbon wheels already but am thinking of trying something new.. would the spanks be a big down grade?
    I have 2 sets of 29er (gonna give a set to my wife) Vibrocores , 32 and 28 hole and I can compare to the Roval Traverse Carbon 29ers. The 32 hole vibreocores mute the trail but don't seem very compliant for lack of a better term. The rims are probably from the initial run as I ordered a set as quick as I could. The 28 hole seems much more compliant to ride while still smoothing out the chatter without deadening the trail. DT comps spokes on both sets. The Roval Traverses were very stiff and harsh to ride IMHO. Tracked well but not worth the trade off from the Vibrocores. This is all being on a hardtail btw.

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    Anyone know if the shorter (40mm) e*thirteen valve stems will fit in the 350s?

    Thanks!

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    I'm ditching my nobl 36 carbon hoops for a set of 350 vibrocore. I like my oozy trail 345 on my hardtail. Carbon is way too stiff for me and knocks me off my line even hitting a small stone.

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    Question for all of you here.

    I'm in the market for the a decent set of alloy rims, and after reading some reviews, I'm interested in the 350 vibrocores.

    Does anyone have any feedback on the rims, now that some of you may have had a lot more time on them? Specifically, are they still reliable, and for those of you with vibrocoreÖ do you feel like it is noticeable?

    And if you don't have them anymore, what did you end up replacing them with?

    I'm about 200lbs geared up, and am a intermediate-ish rider riding in the PNW. I've got a really low end set of stock rims/novatec hubs that I'm looking at replacing. The rims I've got now are over 600g each, and I've already dented one slightly. So the 350 vibrocore's seem like a halfway decent attempt at losing some weight, but also gaining durability, and potentially even some vibration dampening.

    Thanks for the help .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    Question for all of you here.

    I'm in the market for the a decent set of alloy rims, and after reading some reviews, I'm interested in the 350 vibrocores.

    Does anyone have any feedback on the rims, now that some of you may have had a lot more time on them? Specifically, are they still reliable, and for those of you with vibrocoreÖ do you feel like it is noticeable?

    And if you don't have them anymore, what did you end up replacing them with?

    I'm about 200lbs geared up, and am a intermediate-ish rider riding in the PNW. I've got a really low end set of stock rims/novatec hubs that I'm looking at replacing. The rims I've got now are over 600g each, and I've already dented one slightly. So the 350 vibrocore's seem like a halfway decent attempt at losing some weight, but also gaining durability, and potentially even some vibration dampening.

    Thanks for the help .
    I started this thread and updated about 3 posts back. I have not had any issues with Spank rims (also own 395 Oozy Trails). If u want to lose weight you can go with DT Swiss 240 Hubs. I have a 28 vibrocore build that weighs slightly less than the carbon wheel set that came on my stumpjumper this year. And you will definitely get the vibration dampening; I know some people hate that aspect. I don't think it negatively affects my feel on the trail. I think it allows me to try harder lines cause I'm not as worried about destroying a rim or my hands /forearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodzilla View Post
    I started this thread and updated about 3 posts back. I have not had any issues with Spank rims (also own 395 Oozy Trails). If u want to lose weight you can go with DT Swiss 240 Hubs. I have a 28 vibrocore build that weighs slightly less than the carbon wheel set that came on my stumpjumper this year. And you will definitely get the vibration dampening; I know some people hate that aspect. I don't think it negatively affects my feel on the trail. I think it allows me to try harder lines cause I'm not as worried about destroying a rim or my hands /forearms.
    Just have a couple rides on my new 350 vibrocore rims built on i9 Torch hubs. I absolutely love the very noticeable vertical compliance coming from rock hard carbon rims on the same hubs. My wrists immediately thanked me. The other huge difference is not getting pinged sideways off even tiny stones on the carbon wheels. I'll never run carbon wheels again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    Question for all of you here.

    I'm in the market for the a decent set of alloy rims, and after reading some reviews, I'm interested in the 350 vibrocores.

    Does anyone have any feedback on the rims, now that some of you may have had a lot more time on them? Specifically, are they still reliable, and for those of you with vibrocoreÖ do you feel like it is noticeable?

    And if you don't have them anymore, what did you end up replacing them with?

    I'm about 200lbs geared up, and am a intermediate-ish rider riding in the PNW. I've got a really low end set of stock rims/novatec hubs that I'm looking at replacing. The rims I've got now are over 600g each, and I've already dented one slightly. So the 350 vibrocore's seem like a halfway decent attempt at losing some weight, but also gaining durability, and potentially even some vibration dampening.

    Thanks for the help .
    I ran them on my dh bike all season here in New England. I donít notice the damping effect at all and the rim doesnít seem any stronger than my Spank Spike Race 33 rims. Iím also roughly 200 pounds and rough on wheels, my front has been tensioned a couple times and the rear has also but itís got a small hop in it now. Iíll probably go back to Stanís rims as they are easier to mount/unmount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzedf View Post
    I ran them on my dh bike all season here in New England. I donít notice the damping effect at all and the rim doesnít seem any stronger than my Spank Spike Race 33 rims. Iím also roughly 200 pounds and rough on wheels, my front has been tensioned a couple times and the rear has also but itís got a small hop in it now. Iíll probably go back to Stanís rims as they are easier to mount/unmount.
    Did you buy a complete spank wheelset (rims and hubs), or did you build them up as a custom with aftermarket hubs/etc?

    Thatís interesting about not feeling the dampening effect. It seems like some people notice it, and some donít. I wonder if thatís because you were on a true DH bike, with more travel, and probably heavier casing tires?

    Iím planning on running these wheels on my trail/enduro bike (Kona process 153 29íer), so I donít think I need totally bombproof full on DH strength wheels, for the daily trails I ride, and once a year bike park visit.

    That said, I know that Iím on the heavier end of riders, and may need a stronger wheelset than a 150lb guy. I just donít know how heavy duty to go on the rims.

    For what itís worth, it looks like spank now sells a beefed up 350 (359 vibrocore). It may be strong enough for you. Iíve been considering having a set built with a 350 vibrocore front, 359 vibrocore rear, on dt350 hubs.

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    I've build two custom wheelsets with the 350 Vibro and using DT350 at one of them and RF Vault on the other. At the time I build them Spank opted for using 110-120kgf for spoke tension so i went for 125. I had to retension both sets a couple of times just after riding normal blue XCish trails. Then all of a sudden Spank changed their reccommended spoke tension to around 135-140kgf and I gave the spokes some more TLC. Didn't have any issues after that and they was tested in the Alps.
    There is one thing that I don't get with these rims and that is HOW MUCH the tire change the spoke tension. It drops from 135kgf to around 120kgf using non DH tires. I find that somewhat extreme.
    Regarding the damping thing I felt it after the first park run - they work. I can run way longer runs on these rims before my hands give up and that's comparing them to my all time fav rim the WTB Asym i29. So right now I can't decide to either go with my fit'n forget WTBs or the new 350 Vibro with the internal spoke washers.
    But if you go custom on the Vibro just remember to give it min 135kgf tension or you have to retension ALOT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    Did you buy a complete spank wheelset (rims and hubs), or did you build them up as a custom with aftermarket hubs/etc?

    Thatís interesting about not feeling the dampening effect. It seems like some people notice it, and some donít. I wonder if thatís because you were on a true DH bike, with more travel, and probably heavier casing tires?

    Iím planning on running these wheels on my trail/enduro bike (Kona process 153 29íer), so I donít think I need totally bombproof full on DH strength wheels, for the daily trails I ride, and once a year bike park visit.

    That said, I know that Iím on the heavier end of riders, and may need a stronger wheelset than a 150lb guy. I just donít know how heavy duty to go on the rims.

    For what itís worth, it looks like spank now sells a beefed up 350 (359 vibrocore). It may be strong enough for you. Iíve been considering having a set built with a 350 vibrocore front, 359 vibrocore rear, on dt350 hubs.
    Custom build with Hope hubs. I ran the same tire setup and pressures on the old wheels and the 350s, no noticeable change in damping. I bought them for the 30mm internal dimension and the hope that they were going to be as strong as the race 33 rims.


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    I demoed a bike with i9 Enduro 305s and then rode the same trails on my TR Scout w the Vibrocore wheels and with Stans wheels (though the stans have 2.4/2.35 DHF instead of 2.5/2.4 on the other wheelsets). 4 hours of riding each time. I'm 140lbs and the Scout is a mid travel bike (w/ Vibrocore bars and ODI Vans grips), the demo was a 160mm bike (w/ carbon bars and Ergon grips). The damping is pretty subtle. The Scout w the Vibrocores definitely has a smooth feel to it vs the other two rides. Is it night and day? I don't think so. What I really noticed was how much quieter the bike with the Vibrocores was right after riding the i9s.

    I have had tendonitis in both wrists and the demo bike aggravated it. Neither ride on the Scout bothered me. That may be down to sizing tho.

    I rode the Scout w the Vibrocores at Whistler Bike park and lived. Would be interesting to take the Stans w me and try them out and see how far I get vs the Vibrocores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodzilla View Post
    I started this thread and updated about 3 posts back. I have not had any issues with Spank rims (also own 395 Oozy Trails). If u want to lose weight you can go with DT Swiss 240 Hubs. I have a 28 vibrocore build that weighs slightly less than the carbon wheel set that came on my stumpjumper this year. And you will definitely get the vibration dampening; I know some people hate that aspect. I don't think it negatively affects my feel on the trail. I think it allows me to try harder lines cause I'm not as worried about destroying a rim or my hands /forearms.
    If I may ask, how much do you weigh, and is most of your riding general trail riding on your stumpjumper? As I said, I'm not building my set for a downhill bike. So while I may take it to a bike park every once in a while (once a year, if that), everything else will just be trail riding.

    It sounds like some of the compliance you are feeling is due to your set being a 28 hole set? I was planning on going with a 32 hole setup, as I figured it would be more reliable.

    Quote Originally Posted by noose View Post
    Just have a couple rides on my new 350 vibrocore rims built on i9 Torch hubs. I absolutely love the very noticeable vertical compliance coming from rock hard carbon rims on the same hubs. My wrists immediately thanked me. The other huge difference is not getting pinged sideways off even tiny stones on the carbon wheels. I'll never run carbon wheels again.
    Have you ridden any other quality alloy rims? It sounds like you love them when compared to the other carbon rims you have. I've just never ridden carbon wheels, so I don't have much to compare them to.

    Specifically, I'm curious how the 350's compare to rims like the DT Swiss XM481/EX511 (if you've ever happened to use those).

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorjensen View Post
    I've build two custom wheelsets with the 350 Vibro and using DT350 at one of them and RF Vault on the other. At the time I build them Spank opted for using 110-120kgf for spoke tension so i went for 125. I had to retension both sets a couple of times just after riding normal blue XCish trails. Then all of a sudden Spank changed their reccommended spoke tension to around 135-140kgf and I gave the spokes some more TLC. Didn't have any issues after that and they was tested in the Alps.
    There is one thing that I don't get with these rims and that is HOW MUCH the tire change the spoke tension. It drops from 135kgf to around 120kgf using non DH tires. I find that somewhat extreme.

    Regarding the damping thing I felt it after the first park run - they work. I can run way longer runs on these rims before my hands give up and that's comparing them to my all time fav rim the WTB Asym i29. So right now I can't decide to either go with my fit'n forget WTBs or the new 350 Vibro with the internal spoke washers.
    But if you go custom on the Vibro just remember to give it min 135kgf tension or you have to retension ALOT.
    So, if I'm reading it right, you're saying that the rims lost a lot of tension at first. Once you tensioned them up to what the manufacturer now recommends, they've been fine for you?

    These will be my first custom wheels. So I would be having someone else build them for me right now. I'd assume any builder worth their salt would build them to the correct tension, and then I should be good to go for a while?

    Because at this point I have no idea how to measure spoke tension. I guess I have something else to look into now .

    Quote Originally Posted by yzedf View Post
    Custom build with Hope hubs. I ran the same tire setup and pressures on the old wheels and the 350s, no noticeable change in damping. I bought them for the 30mm internal dimension and the hope that they were going to be as strong as the race 33 rims.
    Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like they aren't completely bombproof then. However, if they managed to survive a season on a full on DH bike without disintegrating, it sounds like they'd work fine for me as a trail bike rim (that I occasionally take to the bike park)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    If I may ask, how much do you weigh, and is most of your riding general trail riding on your stumpjumper? As I said, I'm not building my set for a downhill bike. So while I may take it to a bike park every once in a while (once a year, if that), everything else will just be trail riding.

    It sounds like some of the compliance you are feeling is due to your set being a 28 hole set? I was planning on going with a 32 hole setup, as I figured it would be more reliable.



    Have you ridden any other quality alloy rims? It sounds like you love them when compared to the other carbon rims you have. I've just never ridden carbon wheels, so I don't have much to compare them to.

    Specifically, I'm curious how the 350's compare to rims like the DT Swiss XM481/EX511 (if you've ever happened to use those).



    So, if I'm reading it right, you're saying that the rims lost a lot of tension at first. Once you tensioned them up to what the manufacturer now recommends, they've been fine for you?

    These will be my first custom wheels. So I would be having someone else build them for me right now. I'd assume any builder worth their salt would build them to the correct tension, and then I should be good to go for a while?

    Because at this point I have no idea how to measure spoke tension. I guess I have something else to look into now .



    Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like they aren't completely bombproof then. However, if they managed to survive a season on a full on DH bike without disintegrating, it sounds like they'd work fine for me as a trail bike rim (that I occasionally take to the bike park)?
    Yes several in 29, 27.5 and 27.5 plus and ride them all still. My other 29er sets are DT Swiss XM 421 25mm internal and SPANK OOZY TRAIL 345 30mm internal on my hardtail. Both excellent also. The DT's you mentioned get very good reviews but I really like the 350 vibrocores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post

    So, if I'm reading it right, you're saying that the rims lost a lot of tension at first. Once you tensioned them up to what the manufacturer now recommends, they've been fine for you?

    These will be my first custom wheels. So I would be having someone else build them for me right now. I'd assume any builder worth their salt would build them to the correct tension, and then I should be good to go for a while?

    Because at this point I have no idea how to measure spoke tension. I guess I have something else to look into now .
    First off I gave them the same spoke tension as I normaly build wheels at - around the 125kgf mark. That was not enough tension so I gradually increased the tension to around 135kgf. At the end Spank had changed the reccommended tensions. If I had the tension at 135kgf first off there wouldn't have been any issues. I have later build a rear wheel on Hope Pro4 and 29" Vibrocore running 135kgf and there has been no issues.
    The tension still drops when the tire is mounted so still an "issue". The tension drops to around 120kgf from 135 using either SE, EXO+, ATC or DD casing.
    If that is why Spank reccommend using 2.3 - 1.8 - 2.0 spokes I don't know, as I have never tried lacing with them. I've used DT Comp and DT Champ spokes.

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    All tubeless ready rims will drop at least 10kgf of tension when a tire is mounted.

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    Just ordered up a 27.5 wheelset - Spank Oozy 350/boost, XD, 32 spoke, 30.5 ID for $389 on Jensen.com (reg $649). That's a pretty good deal.

    I was interested in the Spike 350 Vibrocore which I found for $525 at 'thegravitycartel.com' (reg $699) but I ride XC/singletrack so went with the cheaper Oozy.

    Per Spank website, the wheels are similar but the Oozy set is a little lighter and the hub flanges are different:
    https://spank-ind.com/collections/wheelsets

    Oozy hub:
    https://spank-ind.com/products/oozy-boost-r148-xd-hub

    Spike hub:
    https://spank-ind.com/collections/hu...st-r148-xd-hub

    These are replacing stock WTB Assym i29's with Formula hubs which are pretty banged up after 3,000+ miles of my 220lbs.

    Should be here next week...I will post up after I get them installed and put a couple of rides in.
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    Hi,
    have anyone tried using different nipple washers than those that should come with spank rims ? I bought Spank 350 non vibracore rims to build up new wheels, but there are not any washers in the box and local dealer does not have any left. I want to use some washer in order to make the wheels last a long time. I have sapim polyax nipples, so i am thinking about using HM Nipple Washer https://www.sapim.be/tools/washers because in conutry where i live these are only avalieble, but i dont know if they are safe to use for radial compliant wheel, because they are like curved inside so nipple nicely fit in them - i didnt find if the nipple washer for spank rims HAVE to be flat... What do you think of that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtb-riderEduard View Post
    Hi,
    have anyone tried using different nipple washers than those that should come with spank rims ? I bought Spank 350 non vibracore rims to build up new wheels, but there are not any washers in the box and local dealer does not have any left. I want to use some washer in order to make the wheels last a long time. I have sapim polyax nipples, so i am thinking about using HM Nipple Washer https://www.sapim.be/tools/washers because in conutry where i live these are only avalieble, but i dont know if they are safe to use for radial compliant wheel, because they are like curved inside so nipple nicely fit in them - i didnt find if the nipple washer for spank rims HAVE to be flat... What do you think of that ?
    As I understand from Spank it's only the 350/359 Vibrocore rims produced later than May 2019 that comes with washers. They don't mention the non vibro 350/359 in that regard.
    I'm soon up to build a non 350 build myself and I plan on using the Sapim HM washer. Build two sets with Vibro running 135kgf but with no washers and they are holding up just fine.

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    I just received a new 350 non-Vibro and it came with regular round washers meassuring 8mm outside and 4.5mm inside.

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