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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Might be why they are slow to bring the new hub to market:

    https://bikerumor.com/2018/09/22/ony...heir-own-hubs/
    That is a terrible article, though. They are largely missing the point and wrong about the XD freehubs.

    Creating cross compatibility with DT Swiss is brilliant, I wonder if there will be a retrofit option for existing Onyx hubs? I would love to be able to ditch XD and go MicroSpline, I think the freehub body seal to the hubshell could be a problem there.

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    All I want is a release date! Come on already!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velodonata View Post
    That is a terrible article, though. They are largely missing the point and wrong about the XD freehubs.

    Creating cross compatibility with DT Swiss is brilliant, I wonder if there will be a retrofit option for existing Onyx hubs? I would love to be able to ditch XD and go MicroSpline, I think the freehub body seal to the hubshell could be a problem there.
    Don't recall on wich article I read it, but it seems you will be able to retrofit it to the old hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aglo View Post
    Don't recall on wich article I read it, but it seems you will be able to retrofit it to the old hubs.
    Yeah, I kinda thought I might have read it too, but the articles I have seen so far have been mediocre to poor so I won't believe it until I hear it from Onyx. I did just see on their Instagram a little clip of switching freehubs around and it looked like they had some sort of slip on adapter for the freehub sealing issue, so maybe that won't be an issue. The new hubs do use a different axle architecture, but I hope they make the new freehub system universal to their line, that would be fantastic.

    Edit- Looking a little closer, the only downside I can see is this new system requires one more bearing than the previous four bearing design, which will eat up a bit of the weight savings. Tha axle is only supported by one bearing other than the freehub driver body, and with that now being a slip fit press together assembly, a second bearing is needed inside the freehub body. Which DT Swiss freehubs already have. The sprag driver is supported by two bearings, the freehub body by two, and the non-drive end of the hubshell by one.

    The tolerances must be very good on the DT Swiss freehub splines for this to work well, and the new splined Onyx sprag driver body needs to be a very nice fit into the freehub body. I wonder when Onyx came up with this idea, it's probably got something to do with how long it is taking to get the new hubs out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aglo View Post
    So the new Shimano Spline freebody will also be available to Onyx hubs... Smart ...
    OHHHHHHH! I like to think I'm smart but I couldn't figure out what these articles were implying yesterday. Will be interesting to see if onyx buys drivers from DT and ships hubs complete or if you have to buy one yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    OHHHHHHH! I like to think I'm smart but I couldn't figure out what these articles were implying yesterday. Will be interesting to see if onyx buys drivers from DT and ships hubs complete or if you have to buy one yourself.
    My first thought was "nice! I can use this anti bite freehub on my DTs", then I was "Genius!!!" .
    I think it would be cheaper to us if the hub is shipped with the micro spline freehub, but I seriously doubt it will be that way.
    I'm also curious on what was DT and Shimano position on all this.

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    Any update on these new versions yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Any update on these new versions yet?
    Still a few months out. Working out a few kinks before release still
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    Wow - 7 pages / 600+ posts later and I am convinced Iíll use an Onyx hub on my next wheelset. Looking forward to seeing the new version of the hubs be released.

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    Just a thought on the new, still unreleased hubs: should one see the continuous postponements as a sign that Onyx is struggling to make them durable? In such a case, maybe the current hub is the one to go for and just live with the weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossmaxx View Post
    Just a thought on the new, still unreleased hubs: should one see the continuous postponements as a sign that Onyx is struggling to make them durable?
    That's pure speculation. To my knowledge Onyx has never given a firm release date which means it's not been postponed. It simply still under development/testing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    That's pure speculation. To my knowledge Onyx has never given a firm release date which means it's not been postponed. It simply still under development/testing.
    Actually I am not satisfied of the durability of the standard version. I have got 3 sprag clutches destroyed by the plastic cage gone into peaces. There have been water ingress into the hub, and the bearings have been bad after few days of riding in autumn humid climate. The grease needed for the bearings is to light.

    Compared to my dtswiss 350 hubs that is still smooth as butter, this is really disappointing. Price and weight difference are astronomical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    That's pure speculation. To my knowledge Onyx has never given a firm release date which means it's not been postponed. It simply still under development/testing.
    I wonder if they changed up the design in the middle of development to add DTSwiss/MicroSpline compatibility, and that delayed the entire process? I haven't gone back and looked too hard, but it kind of seems that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumblefish2010 View Post
    Actually I am not satisfied of the durability of the standard version. I have got 3 sprag clutches destroyed by the plastic cage gone into peaces. There have been water ingress into the hub, and the bearings have been bad after few days of riding in autumn humid climate. The grease needed for the bearings is to light.
    Aww, I read all 7 pages, convincing myself that I'd found my ideal new singlespeed hubs, and then read this

    The lack of drag or noise sounded ideal, but for a bike being used all through winter in the UK, weatherproofing is pretty important to me. On a rigid SS, maintenance isn't that high on the agenda....

    Obviously not going to be put off by a single comment on the internet, although I am keen to know how others have fared in a less than favourable climate.

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    I wish I had a longer term review to add, but I've only had mine for months. I ride weekends and have put a good number of dry miles on it. It's only been raining here for a few weeks so I'd say I have several solid winter rain / mud rides on it. I'm terrible at maintenance and put the bike away wet. I haven't opened the hub but I went and spun the wheel and it seems the same as when I got it.

    I'm curious about the plastic sprag cage breaking. I hadn't heard about that failure mode. What happens if that part breaks? Pedals spin forward free? Since there's so little anecdotal information about that I take it it doesn't happen much?

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    Soft, spongy engagement.

    A few years ago I chimed into this thread to ask if other Onyx owners had experienced what felt like "soft" engagement.

    Turns out it was the combination of an 80+ pound bike, 200# rider, tiny gears, steep grades, fat tires, and perfect traction all at once that made it so noticeable. Sort of a perfect storm.

    Not a week has gone by without a potential customer reading this thread and then pinging me to ask "How bad is it?"

    It isn't bad. Never sad it was, but many chose to take it that way.

    This was on my mind this evening while riding some deep, soft snow with my wife. I laced some Onyx hubs for her expedition snowbike this summer, and rode those wheels for the last week+ while she was out of town.

    Her first ride on this wheelset was today. She noted (before I had a chance to point it out) that when your rear tire starts to dig in or spin out in deep snow, the un-harsh way the Onyx hub engages means you have a better chance of recovering before the tire buries itself. With a harsh engaging hub the likelihood of digging in is greatly increased.

    Append whatever word you want to name this engagement phenomenon. For riding deep, soft, unconsolidated snow I call it "awesome".
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpre View Post
    I'm curious about the plastic sprag cage breaking.
    Me too. I've not read of any other examples of this failure, yet for one person to have it happen three times makes me think something strange is going on with their particular hub.

    My bigger concern regarding these hubs is finding a way to purchase them in the UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpre View Post
    I'm curious about the plastic sprag cage breaking. I hadn't heard about that failure mode. What happens if that part breaks? Pedals spin forward free? Since there's so little anecdotal information about that I take it it doesn't happen much?
    I have got from my LBS talking with Onyx, that the sprag must have been exposed for some kind if contamination. If it has been, that seems strange for me, it need to be some kind of chemicals? Something I have been washing my cassette with? And why should it get into the hub? But if the bearings get exposed for water, and it also gets humidity inside the hub from the non drive side, what my LBS have found, I will guess other fluids can come into the hub too?

    I would not been complaining if it not was for the cost, but one sprag clutch is 80USD :-(

    So when I am comparing with my DTSwiss hubs at 1/4 of the price, that is butter smooth after a lot of rain and humid weather this autumn, it gets disappointing to see what happened to the Onyx.

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    At almost 350 lbs, with Eagle gear ratios, hammering sleep climbs, I've yet to decide if I like the way the onyx engages. Similar to Mikesees experience but maybe even more extreme, I can't say it's a deal killer but it's a very different feel. *****Disclaimer, I've heard nothing but positive reviews from lighter riders, if you are 250+ you probably want to test ride a hub first to see if you like the soft engagement.

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    I'm 6'7" and around 230lb. I'd like the hubs to go on a new singlespeed build that I'm planning to use on a 24hr solo race next year. The main selling points of the Onyx to me are the lack of noise & drag. As any singlespeeder knows, you spend a lot of time coasting when you run out of gears, so doing that quietly, with a potential bit of 'free' speed sounds great. I also like the idea of a system that takes a lot of torque, so I don't have to worry about any delicate internals getting smashed while I'm grunting up a steep incline. Fast engagement is good. I'm not fussed about it being instantaneous.

    Everything about the Onyx system sounds ideal for my needs, and a worthwhile investment. Reading about larger people than myself putting in a lot of miles on snowbikes has been very encouraging, as I'd really appreciate a hub that can handle adverse conditions over high mileage. I do look after my kit, and have no issue buying the recommended grease, and keeping an eye on things. I guess the main problem is that I suffer quite badly from anxiety, and even the smallest seed of doubt can set the alarm bells ringing.

    At this point, I'm probably overthinking things, but I guess a mountain bike forum is as good a place as any to do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    A few years ago I chimed into this thread to ask if other Onyx owners had experienced what felt like "soft" engagement.

    Turns out it was the combination of an 80+ pound bike, 200# rider, tiny gears, steep grades, fat tires, and perfect traction all at once that made it so noticeable. Sort of a perfect storm.

    Not a week has gone by without a potential customer reading this thread and then pinging me to ask "How bad is it?"

    It isn't bad. Never sad it was, but many chose to take it that way.

    This was on my mind this evening while riding some deep, soft snow with my wife. I laced some Onyx hubs for her expedition snowbike this summer, and rode those wheels for the last week+ while she was out of town.

    Her first ride on this wheelset was today. She noted (before I had a chance to point it out) that when your rear tire starts to dig in or spin out in deep snow, the un-harsh way the Onyx hub engages means you have a better chance of recovering before the tire buries itself. With a harsh engaging hub the likelihood of digging in is greatly increased.

    Append whatever word you want to name this engagement phenomenon. For riding deep, soft, unconsolidated snow I call it "awesome".

    Yup, I think a lot of folks will end up liking the softer engagement.

    I rode a bit with Jim, the owner, in Aspen BME this summer and pedaled his bike briefly. I can see that it might have advantages as far as starting traction and the power not hitting as abruptly as a std hub, and he also said the energy stored when it winds up is released into the drivetrain so your not losing any energy with the soft engagement. It's also more durable as far as handling torque vs any other option on the market.

    No doubt they will be my next set of hubs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumblefish2010 View Post
    Actually I am not satisfied of the durability of the standard version. I have got 3 sprag clutches destroyed by the plastic cage gone into peaces. There have been water ingress into the hub, and the bearings have been bad after few days of riding in autumn humid climate. The grease needed for the bearings is to light.
    I'd really like to hear if others have had sprag clutch failures. I've been following these hubs for awhile and have not heard of failures so I'm wonder if failures are super rare. I'm 225 lbs and am generally hard on freehubs. Nothing worse than walking out of the woods...

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    Quote Originally Posted by glader60 View Post
    I'd really like to hear if others have had sprag clutch failures. I've been following these hubs for awhile and have not heard of failures so I'm wonder if failures are super rare. I'm 225 lbs and am generally hard on freehubs. Nothing worse than walking out of the woods...

    One data point: I've built several dozen Onyx hubs for customers. I also have 3 in the fleet between my wife and I. The oldest of these date back more than 3 years now.

    I have yet to hear a single complaint -- not a peep -- from a single customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    One data point: I've built several dozen Onyx hubs for customers. I also have 3 in the fleet between my wife and I. The oldest of these date back more than 3 years now.

    I have yet to hear a single complaint -- not a peep -- from a single customer.
    That makes it all the more bizarre that one single owner has somehow had 3 failed sprags. A particular fault with seals on that one hub, allowing it to be easily contaminated?

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    I am a large rider at 265lbs and 6'2". I have had issues with every hub I have ever owned (I9, HOPE, Shimano, Chinese hubs, and Onyx too) except for Chris King. Granted CK doesn't make a fat bike hub, so apples to oranges applies. But I have split hub shells on both the I9 and Onyx hubs, and both times the manufacturer said the spoke tension was too high which caused this. I have my doubts about this theory, but I cannot verify what spoke tension was, all I know is they were built by two different experienced builders.

    I had Onyx rebuild my rear wheel with a new hub, and all has been well. I really prefer riding off trails and through dense woods, meaning the hub sees a lot of really quick torque from quick stabs at the pedal when trying to clear tough terrain. Currently running 30t 11-46 with studded wrathchilds.

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    jonshonda,
    could you post photos of the cracked hub shells, if you still have them around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Random Psycho View Post
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    could you post photos of the cracked hub shells, if you still have them around?
    Onyx. I misspoke on the Onyx, it was the NDS flange I broke.
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    Thank you!

    The Onyx failure looks like what spoke tension causes indeed. Center-to-flange spacing is symmetric on that hub, so it's perhaps the cutouts which contributed to NDS flange breaking ahead of DS.

    The I9 failure looks more like its primary cause is torque from the drivetrain.


    Do you have to pass areas of salted snow/ice on your rides? Chlorine containing solution getting on stressed parts can be a factor as well.

    Are your rims aluminum or carbon? With the former, spoke tension is reduced at temperatures below the point which they were built at; with the latter, it increases. This is thanks to very different thermal expansion coefficients between aluminum, steel, and carbon.

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    I really want to love a set of these hubs. I've just ordered my new rims, if something doesn't happen soon, I think impatience will get the better of me and I'll just buy 240s.

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    Along the lines of silent hubs, eager to see the scylence hubs in the wild

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    The new mtb hub will debut at NAHBS

    "We will be announcing pre orders very soon"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie_MTB View Post
    The new mtb hub will debut at NAHBS

    "We will be announcing pre orders very soon"

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    Looking forward to the announcement.

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    Just built, but not yet in my possession.

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    Nice, really cool bike and they did the 157 super boost right... with the ability to go 2.6 29er tires. If I went alloy this would be the bike!! Let us know how you like it!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
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    What are the trade-offs for the new OHM hub vs the original one? I like the idea of lighter weight, but I do wonder what is being sacrificed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SqueakyWheel73 View Post
    What are the trade-offs for the new OHM hub vs the original one? I like the idea of lighter weight, but I do wonder what is being sacrificed.
    Me, too. There's no info available on their website yet, and looking at the service videos for the original, there's not much other than cartridge bearings and the clutch in there. Looks like the just reduced the diameter of the non-drive side to use a smaller cartridge bearing?

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    There were a number of differences that were leaked a while back (less sprags, no preload adjuster, different cassette carrier interface...). Don't know which made it into the new design. Rather than speculate, let's wait for the announcement. Shouldn't be much longer.

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    Let us hope the water resistant is better on the new model. The weight is now more acceptable, but price vs durability (bearing especially) and still not light enough to come close to a DT Swiss 350 hub. I have used DTSwiss 350 for a couple of years now, and Onyx 3 years before that. The Onyx needs more maintenance and if not done properly, you need to change bearings. Yes I need to say that the Onyx rolls smoother and has instant drive mechanism, if you take care of cleaning and greasing the bearings. The reason I think is the light grease that needs to be used, to not compromise the sprag`s. Also you need to use mineral spirit to clean the bearings, otherwise you also will compromise the bearings. So in the end, the DT`s are just so simple and durable, and needs no maintenance. I am not sure what they have done to get it so water resistant and/or having good quality bearings, but I have not had any bearings that is not running smooth.

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    I've not used the Onyx but I'm certainly Onyx curious. This is the first I've heard of them no being good in the water. Is that one persons opinion or common consensus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    I've not used the Onyx but I'm certainly Onyx curious. This is the first I've heard of them no being good in the water. Is that one persons opinion or common consensus?
    Just to add info to the previous. We are 3 riders here in Norway using Onyx. All 3 have the same experience. NOTE that for some parts of the year it could be really wet and muddy conditions. I mean it can be rain for weeks. It gets like small rivers all over the place.

    As said before, if you do regular maintenance, and clean/ regrease your bearings, and clean water inside, it will be fine. But if you skip that you might not save the really expensive bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    I've not used the Onyx but I'm certainly Onyx curious. This is the first I've heard of them no being good in the water. Is that one persons opinion or common consensus?
    I've been riding on a set for a few years now. No issues with water, but I also avoid submerging my hubs and bottom bracket in water, on all my bikes, not just this one. Splashing through creeks and puddles hasn't been an issue.

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    I don't submerge mine, but like you, we can have perma-puddles and inches of water on trails for 3 to 6 months of the year. I don't mind a bit of regular maintenance but life is too short to have to strip hubs down after every wet ride.

    The fact they're so popular with bike packers and snowy fatbikers made me think they'd be pretty resistant to bad weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumblefish2010 View Post
    Let us hope the water resistant is better on the new model. The Onyx needs more maintenance and if not done properly...

    I am not sure what they have done to get it so water resistant and/or having good quality bearings, but...
    Better bearing protection can easily be achieved by applying additional (water-proof) grease on the exterior seals of the bearings before re-assembly of the freehub body and the end caps. Add additional grease to the end caps before reinstalling them and you have made significant strides in providing an additional layer of protection. Done properly, you might eliminate your water issues. This is a widely applied water and dust/dirt bearing protection trick that works on almost all bearing based components.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    I don't submerge mine, but like you, we can have perma-puddles and inches of water on trails for 3 to 6 months of the year. I don't mind a bit of regular maintenance but life is too short to have to strip hubs down after every wet ride.

    The fact they're so popular with bike packers and snowy fatbikers made me think they'd be pretty resistant to bad weather.
    I have had Onyx on my fat bikes, but the Winter is the driest part of the year. Snow is no problem. It is spray from the wheels that is the worst.

    Using grease outside bearings, remember to use the approved by Onyx. If you use grease on the
    end caps etc.will probably cause dirt to get stuck, and you can get a grinding paste. So be careful with applying grease.

    The reason I used Onyx in the first place, was because of my weight and use was destroying all kinds of hubs. But after trying a DT fat bike wheel set one season, I was surprised of how good it was. Then I built one set for the FS with DT too. The price/weight/durability of them are too good.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumblefish2010 View Post
    Using grease outside bearings, remember to use the approved by Onyx. If you use grease on the
    end caps etc.will probably cause dirt to get stuck, and you can get a grinding paste. So be careful with applying grease.
    The grease that is on the exterior bearing seal and under the end cap has no effect on the internal function of these hubs. It is for protection only and does NOT have to be Onyx approved. The objective is water protection. You are not applying grease to the exterior of the end caps, but to the inside. Any excessive grease that is pressed out could/should be cleaned off. A little mechanical common sense goes a long way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    The grease that is on the exterior bearing seal and under the end cap has no effect on the internal function of these hubs. It is for protection only and does NOT have to be Onyx approved. The objective is water protection. You are not applying grease to the exterior of the end caps, but to the inside. Any excessive grease that is pressed out could/should be cleaned off. A little mechanical common sense goes a long way.
    Not everyone have mechanical common sense out there. And depending on what kind of grease, if it is teflon content and you are applying only outside bearings, you can end up getting this inside where it should not be. Remember it will rotate and it can go down to the axle. When you take it out you can wipe off some of it against the inside bearing.

    But it should not be a problem of you wash everything carefully with mineral spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    You're overthinking a commonly applied technique.
    Yes I am overthinking, but it is a reason for that.
    Since I want the equipment that is most durable and have as little maintenance as possible for my use.

    Riding 5-7 days a week all year, and between 7 to 12 hours each week, and weighing 255, I wear a lot.
    So my goal is to have as little time servicing and as much as possible biking.

    Onyx is by far the best rolling and best drive mechanism, and second place when it comes to durability and maintenance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    You're overthinking a commonly applied technique.
    Total agree...I've been using this technique for years and it works. I use Phil Wood grease. Onyx will tell you if the hubs are totally submerged under water the hub needs taken apart cleaned lubed with proper sprag grease. Using just a bit of water proof greace on outside of bearing seals will not hurt a thing!! Nothing rolls like a Onyx hub but I now have been using DT Swiss 240 hubs and have never needed to replace a bearing and are the lightest, simple design, maintenance free hubs on the market!!

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    Has anyone seen any news on the new version of the Onyx mtn hub? I believe they were launching the finished product at NAHBS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Has anyone seen any news on the new version of the Onyx mtn hub? I believe they were launching the finished product at NAHBS.
    Other than what they have circulated on FB and Instagram, no. I believe details of the new design will be made clear during the preorder, which should be happening before end of April. I think. Maybe someone from Onyx could chime in?

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    Anyone been to Sea Otter? I'd love a detailed breakdown of the differences between the classic and the vesper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Anyone been to Sea Otter? I'd love a detailed breakdown of the differences between the classic and the vesper.
    I was there Friday and took a picture of what's on Onyx table in its booth. There was no cut-out of the new hub, but you could imagine what the 1.5 sprag should be like compared to the cut-out of the classic shown.


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    Hoping to order a set of ther new Ontx hubs very soon for a new wheel build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlian View Post
    I was there Friday and took a picture of what's on Onyx table in its booth. There was no cut-out of the new hub, but you could imagine what the 1.5 sprag should be like compared to the cut-out of the classic shown.

    Also learned that the new design of front hub allows Torque end cap with center-lock mount version.


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    Quote Originally Posted by spec306 View Post
    jlian -- Did the Onyx guys give you any indication on when they are finally going to release the new hub? I called them at the end of March and they said around April 7th for the first boost version with more versions to follow. Still nothing to be found on their web site ONYX -- TAKE MY MONEY PLEASE!!
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    Any significant difference compare to the old design? From what I see, its only aesthetic and functional wise, itís the same




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    My best guess would be smaller bearings and no bearing preload on the new ones. Plus the easy switch freehub which may or may not be backwards compatible. But these are the things I also want to know.

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    NOBL has some info:
    https://noblwheels.com/the-all-new-onyx-vesper/

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    Boost hubs will be available next week. Everything else will follow. Onyx sent me a spec sheet on the Vesper hubs. A bit surprising to see so many variants.



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    Just got my wheels built up with Onyx!
    My Intense Sniper already had great DT Swiss M1700 wheels but I am building my dream bike and wanted something lighter. Odd,I know considering Onyx weight but it was their balance of other features that sold me on the Onyx. The idea of a super robust mechinism, instant engagement and quility bearings put them on top of King or I9.
    I went with Nobl wheels, their 28mm 29er carbon with C Xray spokes.
    I chose the regular Onyx vs Nobl because I wanted a specific colour, fluorescent yellow. I didn't really want a colour that would match my bike but something that jumped out laced to a rather plain black set of carbon wheels and boy do these jump out. I was tempted to go with their antifreeze colour option but its really popular and wanted something different.
    First ride, I noticed mostly how smooth everything felt. I really noticed the engagement when pulling up on my pedal stroke. I have crap cadense and often would feel the clack of engagement spinning into a headwind on my way home but now theres zero times where my pedaling is just wasted, all my energy is being used to drive ahead.
    The weight is not a thing. They are center of the wheel and my rim and spokes are really light and efficient which was very apparent on climbs. This was what I was hoping for and it paid off.
    Just my initial thoughts. So far very happy.

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    Coming from stock ibis hubs to an onyx rear and holy cow is the difference very noticeable. It picks up speed way faster than ever before. The engagement is badass and the silence is heavenly! I really didnít think it would be that noticeable, it was a windy ride and I picked up speed even with the headwind better than I remember before. Iím sold for sure!

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    Just had my Onyx Vesper hubs arrive. The matte black anodized finish looks great. They've turned up with an XDR driver with a spacer on it. Seems a shame that they've given up on flange width just so they can share a shell with the road bikes hubs. Especially odd as its a boost hub and I can't think of any boost road frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compengr View Post
    Boost hubs will be available next week. Everything else will follow. Onyx sent me a spec sheet on the Vesper hubs. A bit surprising to see so many variants

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    Thanks for that pdf! I am wondering now if I should buy sooner rather than later- on their website it still lists everything as the regular price including ceramic, versus the price sheet now showing a whopping $160 upgrade for two hubs, and steel bearings standard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Just had my Onyx Vesper hubs arrive. The matte black anodized finish looks great. They've turned up with an XDR driver with a spacer on it. Seems a shame that they've given up on flange width just so they can share a shell with the road bikes hubs. Especially odd as its a boost hub and I can't think of any boost road frames.
    Center to DS flange is 22.47mm on the Vesper vs 23.2 on DT 350 or White Industries 22.5. Seems ok.

    Wow, $215 for a front hub with basic bearings? They must have found a way to put sprag clutches in there. Amazing technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finescents View Post
    Thanks for that pdf! I am wondering now if I should buy sooner rather than later- on their website it still lists everything as the regular price including ceramic, versus the price sheet now showing a whopping $160 upgrade for two hubs, and steel bearings standard?
    Ceramic bearings are a downgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post

    Wow, $215 for a front hub with basic bearings? They must have found a way to put sprag clutches in there. Amazing technology.
    Can you say "profit margin"!?
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    Onyx is free to charge whatever they think their product is worth or what the market will bear. I'm sure they had given pricing some thought before releasing the info.

    Having said that, with their current pricing and somewhat limited distribution (which basically forces the consumer to pay the full retail price), it's a really tough sell. Front or rear, their hubs are very expensive. They are unique, I'll give them that, but worth the price? Doesn't look like I'll get to find out.

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    Bearing quality has to be up there with CK for those prices. I've never had to replace a bearing in my CK hubs yet. They're about 12 years old with many thousands of miles on them. Replaced the bearing seals after about 10 years because they were drying out.

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    Iím in love with my onyx. The silence and engagement are so nice, the fast rolling is nice too! My dad ran CKís for years trouble free hopefully this will be the same. I am planning to get a front to match soon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by compengr View Post
    Onyx is free to charge whatever they think their product is worth or what the market will bear. I'm sure they had given pricing some thought before releasing the info.

    Having said that, with their current pricing and somewhat limited distribution (which basically forces the consumer to pay the full retail price), it's a really tough sell. Front or rear, their hubs are very expensive. They are unique, I'll give them that, but worth the price? Doesn't look like I'll get to find out.

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    Thank you gals and guys!

    I agree compengr, perhaps I came off a bit harsh. They can absolutely charge any price, and I know I want them for the silent aspect. I am the guy who never wears headphones at the gym, on the bike, I mean I had a Discman back in the day but not much since. So that ripping through the forest silently is cool to me. Boost front and rear, and the wheels should be up to date for at least 2-3 years right? Still strange they sent that pricing to a consumer 2 months ago, but pricing hasn't changed. Perhaps they are working on the website

    I think they can compete on the uniqueness factor alone, even at a higher price than Chris King- to niche weirdos like me. But that's me, I'm weird I rode original Paul Components brakes and levers when they came out. Purple> No, silver. Which was even weirder at the time, not to get anodized.

    I haven't ridden ceramic bearings yet in BB, hubs but I think everyone can agree they are an option. Lol! We can't all agree with everyone else on durability. Too subjective, so far. I think ceramic bearings in some applications just aren't fully refined/integrated into frames/parts. Like Chris King and Phil Wood being supreme examples of steel ball bearings in a proven frame/ spindle thing design they call the BB, and hubs; maybe there is some new way that the stiffness of ceramic bearings can be applied there that's different.

    The constantly evolving bike, I love it. And silent is deadly

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    2.5 years on my Onyx gen 1 hubs and have yet to touch them. Still perfectly silent, no slipping or issues whatsoever.

    I've owned many DT hubs, which are great, but whoever said they don't need maintenance is missing something. I have to grease DT hub ratchets every 4 or 5 rides, or they get really noisy. The red DT grease seems to disintegrate fast in their hubs. It's easy enough to do, but still WAY more maintenance than Onyx, which appears to be virtually maintenance free. And I break hubs at 6'6".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada 29er View Post
    2.5 years on my Onyx gen 1 hubs and have yet to touch them. Still perfectly silent, no slipping or issues whatsoever.

    I've owned many DT hubs, which are great, but whoever said they don't need maintenance is missing something. I have to grease DT hub ratchets every 4 or 5 rides, or they get really noisy. The red DT grease seems to disintegrate fast in their hubs. It's easy enough to do, but still WAY more maintenance than Onyx, which appears to be virtually maintenance free. And I break hubs at 6'6".
    This is not my experience at all. I have 4-5 DT Swiss hubs both Boost and Fatbike, and they are almost maintenance free and almost without any noise at all. They who says Dt Swiss hubs are noisy either have a totally different one or something strange happens with theirs. The DT Swiss mechanism are almost indestructible and if you did want to do no maintenance and just ride, I would be surprised if it did not last anyway. I have switched between XD and shimano driver, between wheels, and been doing really sloppy service of the hubs myself. You get almost no noise to zero noise when you put on the DT grease.

    On the other hand, the Onyx has not been so good for me, I have needed to replace sprag clutch on one of them, and I have so far just serviced the bearings, but a lot. My friend did change his bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada 29er
    2.5 years on my Onyx gen 1 hubs and have yet to touch them. Still perfectly silent, no slipping or issues whatsoever.
    I have a longer term opinion now. I've been riding my gen 1 hub nearly every weekend since I got it and have had the same experience as Nevada 29er. It just works all the time needing nothing.

    I built up a new bike economically that I've been riding recently and the thing I'm missing most is the Onyx hub and can't wait to be able to afford one to put on that bike too.

    It looks like that new gen has been available for a while. Any comments from those who have tried them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpre View Post
    It looks like that new gen has been available for a while. Any comments from those who have tried them?
    I have a set of the new Onyx vesper hubs. I've had some intermittent sprague slipping on very steep punchy climbs in the granny gear. The instances of slipping are infrequent, but startling - and completely unacceptable.

    Onyx quickly sent a new sprague and some special tools to the company I purchased from. I've been super busy and unable to get my wheel to the shop for a swap. I'll eventually report back. Hopefully with great results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumblefish2010 View Post
    This is not my experience at all. I have 4-5 DT Swiss hubs both Boost and Fatbike, and they are almost maintenance free and almost without any noise at all. They who says Dt Swiss hubs are noisy either have a totally different one or something strange happens with theirs. The DT Swiss mechanism are almost indestructible and if you did want to do no maintenance and just ride, I would be surprised if it did not last anyway. I have switched between XD and shimano driver, between wheels, and been doing really sloppy service of the hubs myself. You get almost no noise to zero noise when you put on the DT grease.

    On the other hand, the Onyx has not been so good for me, I have needed to replace sprag clutch on one of them, and I have so far just serviced the bearings, but a lot. My friend did change his bearings.
    I like DT hubs, they are my second favorite, but not indestructible. I have broken 350s, stripped the teeth both on the ratchets and inside the hub body. Sudden hard ratcheting over rocks will eventually wear them out. The higher POE teeth ratchets are less durable than the 24-tooth ratchets.

    The hub engagement will start slipping, until one day you're walking your bike home. Don't let it get to that point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpre View Post

    It looks like that new gen has been available for a while. Any comments from those who have tried them?
    I have an Onyx Vesper on my rear hub. I only have 225mi on it and on XC with some easy single track. So far, not a single hiccup -- no slips, no drag, just lot's of incredible silence.

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    Knock on wood, Dt hubs have been by far the most durable for me. I am 255lb and put down some watts, and have been destroying the most but Onyx, DT swiss and Chris King. The hope fat bike hubs where an disaster, the boost hub was okay, but no hope hub have had any good bearing durability.
    I have crushed cassettes and crank arms with the Dt Swiss hubs but not destroyed the mecanishn itself.
    Weight, price and durability combined is by far much better then the rest.
    Not any close in rolling capabilities as the ceramic on the Onyx, or the totally silence, but still it needs some more care and costs a kidney and weighs a ton.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada 29er View Post
    I like DT hubs, they are my second favorite, but not indestructible. I have broken 350s, stripped the teeth both on the ratchets and inside the hub body. Sudden hard ratcheting over rocks will eventually wear them out. The higher POE teeth ratchets are less durable than the 24-tooth ratchets.

    The hub engagement will start slipping, until one day you're walking your bike home. Don't let it get to that point!

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