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    We the people ... Maxxis DHF vs HR II for rain/winter riding

    for the first time I'm about to get Maxxis tires. lots of my friends are riding and love them and my bike club just got Maxxis endorsement through our local distributor so I figured I'd try them.

    thing is in Europe WINTER IS COMING (I just love writing and/or yelling this so much ) and I want to get tires that will handle the conditions.

    anyway, I'm set on getting 2.3 HR II MaxxTerra dual compound TR in the back - I think that's the most obvious choice for fall/winter riding for rear tire.

    the thing is I'm having front tire doubts over whether I should get
    2.4 HR II MaxxTerra EXO TR
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    2.5 DHF MaxxGrip EXO TR.

    I read both ride very well in wet conditions and that choosing between them is a matter of personal choice.
    I want to hear objective experiences from fellow riders to make a choice over them.

    I kind of lean towards DHF because of MaxxGrip compound (HR II MaxxGrip weight penalty is just too much) and of course wider carcass of 2.5 tire.

    I ride Mavic Crossmax Enduro wheels and new Lyrik fork (I guess 2.5 tire won't make problems regarding clearance issues, but who knows. if anyone has some problematic experiences with that 2.5 tire/Lyrik combo, pls share).

    where I ride there's a lots of loose soil with plenty of roots, rocky water drainage parts of the trails - lets say 95% of trails are natural ungroomed, or barely groomed trails.

    thanx!

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    this is more a profile vs compound question

    the HRII profile is better suited for winter riding

    the MaxxGrip compound stays softer at low temperatures than the MaxxTerra

    there is no MaxxTerra Dual Compound

    I do ride the DHF 2.5 3C MaxxTerra myself but would recommend you getting the HRII for winter applications

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    One thing i don't like about the hr2 tough, is that they don't age well. Meaning they loose a lot of their grip fast when worn. but that's not a big deal for a front tire.
    I went with the DHR2 this year, front and rear. It's like a HR2 with chunkier knobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Calf View Post
    this is more a profile vs compound question

    the HRII profile is better suited for winter riding

    the MaxxGrip compound stays softer at low temperatures than the MaxxTerra

    there is no MaxxTerra Dual Compound

    I do ride the DHF 2.5 3C MaxxTerra myself but would recommend you getting the HRII for winter applications
    yes, true dual comp is not MaxxTerra, thanks.
    I'm reading a lot about DHF vs HRII and its 50-50 regarding which is better in wet. both have solid reasoning. I think I'll just have to try both and decide myself.

    thanks for the advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadoretteboat View Post
    One thing i don't like about the hr2 tough, is that they don't age well. Meaning they loose a lot of their grip fast when worn. but that's not a big deal for a front tire.
    I went with the DHR this year, front and rear. It's like a HR2 with chunkier knobs.
    I also read that about 3C. buddies on dual comps says it last significantly longer than 3C in the back.

    DHR or DHR2? I think in the spring (after snow and all) I'll get DHR2 dual comp for a rear tire.

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    Dhr2

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadoretteboat View Post
    Dhr2
    figured.
    I'll defo get DHR2 for rear in dual comp after winter. I guess its good for wet and winter well, but HR2 is kind of specialist for wet (like DHF).

    rode Spesh's Clutch tire which is the same as DHR2. loved those tires. super grippy with tremendous braking.

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    I've run them all including DHF front and rear (does surprisingly well for wet winter riding). As a rear tire the best is the HR2 (I use dual compound) followed closely by the DHF which only loses out because it packs with mud more. The DHR2 (also dual compound) is a distant third though it is quite adequate if you don't have the jingo for season specific tires like me. The DHR2 climbs quite well, even in muddy conditions. The problem lies in the lateral play as the long horizontal climbing knobs make it slide sideways on roots/rocks. They are siped horizontally as well which exacerbates the problem (I went down hard on Friday in a wet berm I was pushing into). I think if you cut vertical sipes into those knobs (like the HR2) it would actually work and I may try it depending on how bad it gets for me. My 2.5" 3C MaxxTerra DHF (easily fits on a Lyrik BTW) is staying on the front no matter what just because I am not willing to compromise cornering performance for a little bit less mud packing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    I've run them all including DHF front and rear (does surprisingly well for wet winter riding). As a rear tire the best is the HR2 (I use dual compound) followed closely by the DHF which only loses out because it packs with mud more. The DHR2 (also dual compound) is a distant third though it is quite adequate if you don't have the jingo for season specific tires like me. The DHR2 climbs quite well, even in muddy conditions. The problem lies in the lateral play as the long horizontal climbing knobs make it slide sideways on roots/rocks. They are siped horizontally as well which exacerbates the problem (I went down hard on Friday in a wet berm I was pushing into). I think if you cut vertical sipes into those knobs it would actually work and I may try it depending on how bad it gets for me. My 2.5" 3C MaxxTerra DHF (easily fits on a Lyrik BTW) is staying on the front no matter what just because I am not willing to compromise cornering performance for a little bit less mud packing.

    Have FUN!

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    now that is the info I was looking for.
    thank you!

    dual comp 2.3 HRII is on the rear, so that's solved.

    I'll get 2.5 DHF EXO TR MaxxGrip it seems.

    some ppl say HRII has the edge when super damp (seems to be more a matter of personal choice - and mud shedding properties, but I'll try DHF as I never rode them. I'm curious) but MaxxGrip DHF's have almost no weight penalty compared to MaxxGrip HRII's - thing is, if I got it right, that HRII's have only DH casings, not EXO's, at least for now.

    I got used to Mavic Charge's soft 40a knobs both centered and sided. really the best tire I ever rode, and the way it gets old it really a work of art - and quality engineering. the knobs don't get ripped or deformed - they just look like they were filed. incredible. even at almost a year old the tire grips incredibly. was thinking of getting it again, but I want to try other stuff.

    truth be told - I still can't get new Mavic Claw tire as that is the one I want to try the most.

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    DHF, DHR2 and HR2 are all wicked tires. You have to pick the one that suits your riding style and local trails.

    I find the DHR2 works really well under braking and really hard cornering. Good riders who ride steep terrain and corner really hard like them. But if you trails have a lot of moderate terrain or you don't get your bike leaned right over they may not work that well for you. (I struggle with them on my local trails)

    A DHF is a wicked tire for just about everyone. They grip at all lean angles in all conditions. I think they are the gold standard for cornering. However, they don't offer quite as much braking traction as a DHR.

    The HR2 sort of sits between the two. It offers a bit more braking then the DHF and is a little more comfortable at moderate lean angles then the DHR2.

    Personally I use both the HR2 and DHF in the wet on the front. I can't make a DHR2 work for me as a front tire. Wicked rear tire though.

    I would recommend looking at the new 2.4 HR2. My new bike came with one and I am finding it offers a fair more grip then the old 2.3s.
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    HRII 2.3 rear & HRII 2.4 front for murkier trails...

    Have a DHRII 2.3 out back on my AM steed... Saturday, in a 3 hour event with quite muddy trails, I was surprised at how skittery it was.

    DH teamsters talk about DHF's/DHRII's as slick tires ^^

    If you're in the mud High Roll all the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    DHF, DHR2 and HR2 are all wicked tires. You have to pick the one that suits your riding style and local trails.

    I find the DHR2 works really well under braking and really hard cornering. Good riders who ride steep terrain and corner really hard like them. But if you trails have a lot of moderate terrain or you don't get your bike leaned right over they may not work that well for you. (I struggle with them on my local trails)

    A DHF is a wicked tire for just about everyone. They grip at all lean angles in all conditions. I think they are the gold standard for cornering. However, they don't offer quite as much braking traction as a DHR.

    The HR2 sort of sits between the two. It offers a bit more braking then the DHF and is a little more comfortable at moderate lean angles then the DHR2.

    Personally I use both the HR2 and DHF in the wet on the front. I can't make a DHR2 work for me as a front tire. Wicked rear tire though.

    I would recommend looking at the new 2.4 HR2. My new bike came with one and I am finding it offers a fair more grip then the old 2.3s.
    I like the looks of DHRII as I have a lot of time on Spesh's Clutch tires which is the same design. loved them. also rode Butcher which is the same as DHF but I think DHF has bigger knobs.

    I'm riding for the last 10 months Mavic's Charge XL tire which I got with Crossmax Enduro wheels (amazing wheels btw). I can say that Charge is the best tire I ever rode. just love Mavic's SSC technology (Super Soft Compound - 40a durometer for all knobs, don't know the values for base, but guessing its 70a). BikeRadar's review of the tire stated that that soft compound helps creating even more suppleness working together with the fork. I agree on that.

    2.3 dual comp TR HRII is going in the back for sure.

    on the front I'll put DHF 3C MaxxGrip EXO TR - for couple of reasons:
    1. Charge has similar design to HRII so I'm more eager to try DHF than HRII at this point.

    2. DHF has 2.5 option, HRII only 2.4

    3. DHF MaxxGrip comes on EXO casing, and HRII has that option only in DH casing. too big of a weight penalty.

    Maxxis' MaxxGrip has 70a/42a/40a durometer (base/mid knobs/shoulder knobs) which is similar to Charge. looking forward to see how well will DHF perform and last compared to Charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by targnik View Post
    HRII 2.3 rear & HRII 2.4 front for murkier trails...

    Have a DHRII 2.3 out back on my AM steed... Saturday, in a 3 hour event with quite muddy trails, I was surprised at how skittery it was.

    DH teamsters talk about DHF's/DHRII's as slick tires ^^

    If you're in the mud High Roll all the way.

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    I'm set on getting MaxxGrip tire instead of MaxxTerra, and HRII MaxxGrip tire is available only in DH casing. in they had EXO casing with MaxxGrip, I'd probably get that. still 2.5 DHF is looking more attractive than 2.4 HRII - plus MaxxGrip...

    well, if the trail was muddy only mud specific tires would do the trick - which neither DHRII, DHF or HRII aren't - and even than the grip would be here and there...

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    [QUOTE=ashas;12878946]I'm set on getting MaxxGrip tire instead of MaxxTerra, and HRII MaxxGrip tire is available only in DH casing. in they had EXO casing with MaxxGrip, I'd probably get that. still 2.5 DHF is looking more attractive than 2.4 HRII

    Can you give us some feeback on how the Maxxis tires performed compared to the Charge?
    I'm as looking for new enduro tires that grip better in loose an damp situations and on damp roots, yet have a reasonable roling resistance
    Charge ad Quest are on my list right now, maybe they're underrated but everyone raves about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashas View Post
    I'm set on getting MaxxGrip tire instead of MaxxTerra, and HRII MaxxGrip tire is available only in DH casing. in they had EXO casing with MaxxGrip, I'd probably get that. still 2.5 DHF is looking more attractive than 2.4 HRII

    Can you give us some feeback on how the Maxxis tires performed compared to the Charge?
    I'm as looking for new enduro tires that grip better in loose an damp situations and on damp roots, yet have a reasonable roling resistance
    Charge ad Quest are on my list right now, maybe they're underrated but everyone raves about them.
    Charge is a great tire. really good overall tire. similar thread patterns to HRII, and similarly, it performs very good in wet.

    Maxxis have more 'wooden' feel than Mavic, but excel at super low pressures. to me, Maxxis is more of a motorbike-like tire, having massive knobs and is superior, but only if you prefer low air pressure, like I do.

    rolling resistance is similar and I've never had any problems with both Mavic and Maxxis.

    Quest, on the other hand is, to me, not as good as HRII in the back. I guess if you're putting Quest on a trail bike, it'll do. for anything more aggressive, HRII or DHRII are far better.

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