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    Derby or ENVE Carbon Wheels

    Hey guys,

    I don't want to turn this into a Derby v.s. ENVE wheel debate thread but I am looking for further input on which wheel you recommend and why. Yes, I know there are other companies I can choose from such as LB, NOX, Easton, etc but I've narrowed it down to Derby and ENVE after reading reviews based customer service experience alone. I plan on mounting the wheels onto a Yeti 6C. The first thing I always look for before buying an expensive product is customer service and second how well that product performs. No point in buying a 2,000 set of wheels if they happen to fail and the manufacturer won't do squat to help you.

    Yeti offers the 6C with the XTR build which comes with ENVE wheels and boy does it looks good, especially with the EVNE blue decals on them....it's bike PRON and I could just stare at it all day. I love the fact that they are also made here in the USA, which is a huge plus for me.

    The Derby wheels cost significantly less but I've read nothing but good about them. I know that are made overseas so this is kind of where QC comes into play. Yes, I've seen a few people post pictures of cracked Derby's but I also read the pinkbike review on the ENVE wheels they managed to pretty much disintegrate.

    Thoughts and further input would be appreciated. I plan on ordering the wheels a few weeks before my bike arrives.

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    Which ENVE rims in particular are you looking at? How do you plan to ride the bike, what's your weight, what are your trails like, what size tire do you plan to use?

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    I'm looking at the M70. This is what the 6C XTR build will come with so I wouldn't mind spending the extra dough for ENVE wheels...but if I go for the X01 build it comes with EX471 wheels and I can always have a custom set of Derby's built and have the EX471's as backups.

    Location: Las Vegas (Pretty rough terrain out here)
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    Weight: 155
    Tire Size: 27.5

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    What width tires do you plan to use?

    You can get custom ENVE's built too remember!

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    Sorry, I should have included that. Max tire size I'd be running is 2.4.

    Yep, I looked at ENVE custom builds and they are pretty dang pricey.

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    I was debating between Derby, Light Bike, and Nextie. I posted a question on here about ideal rim width for my type of riding, and just for the heck of it I emailed the same question to Ray at Derby. At 8:55 on a Saturday night (on a holiday weekend).

    At 9:43 that same night (less than an hour later) I received a reply from Ray, going into detail about which rims would be ideally suited for me based on my riding style, size, bike, etc... It wasn't just a 'go with the 35mm rims', it was the why, how, and reasoning behind it. His reply was way longer than my initial email, and I hadn't even bought rims from him yet.

    The customer service alone sold me on Derby rims. Mine got into my local LBS Derby dealer yesterday, and will be built up next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizmuth View Post
    I was debating between Derby, Light Bike, and Nextie. I posted a question on here about ideal rim width for my type of riding, and just for the heck of it I emailed the same question to Ray at Derby. At 8:55 on a Saturday night (on a holiday weekend).

    At 9:43 that same night (less than an hour later) I received a reply from Ray, going into detail about which rims would be ideally suited for me based on my riding style, size, bike, etc... It wasn't just a 'go with the 35mm rims', it was the why, how, and reasoning behind it. His reply was way longer than my initial email, and I hadn't even bought rims from him yet.

    The customer service alone sold me on Derby rims. Mine got into my local LBS Derby dealer yesterday, and will be built up next week.
    That is good to know, thanks for sharing that.
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    Ive been using the Derby wheel now for some time and its a great wheel no doubt. I also have a LB wheel that has been great too. I ride in Vegas too and love to ride the more challenging stuff out here. Whatever you decide be certain to use proper psi for your riding style/ weight because warranty issues will happen sooner or later with plastic wheels.

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    I have both, never again will i drop the coin on Enve again, its not worth it no matter what marketing they throw at you. the carbon rim market is good right now, stick with a brand that'll answer their phones an you're good, Ibis, Derby, etc.

    As for LB? You think you can get someone on the phone??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizmuth View Post
    I was debating between Derby, Light Bike, and Nextie. I posted a question on here about ideal rim width for my type of riding, and just for the heck of it I emailed the same question to Ray at Derby. At 8:55 on a Saturday night (on a holiday weekend).

    At 9:43 that same night (less than an hour later) I received a reply from Ray, going into detail about which rims would be ideally suited for me based on my riding style, size, bike, etc... It wasn't just a 'go with the 35mm rims', it was the why, how, and reasoning behind it. His reply was way longer than my initial email, and I hadn't even bought rims from him yet.

    The customer service alone sold me on Derby rims. Mine got into my local LBS Derby dealer yesterday, and will be built up next week.
    Thanks for your input. Customer service is so important to me especially with high ticket items and I cannot stress that enough. It's posts like these that have me leaning towards Derby. ENVE sure does one hell of a job at marketing though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman69 View Post
    Ive been using the Derby wheel now for some time and its a great wheel no doubt. I also have a LB wheel that has been great too. I ride in Vegas too and love to ride the more challenging stuff out here. Whatever you decide be certain to use proper psi for your riding style/ weight because warranty issues will happen sooner or later with plastic wheels.
    Awesome..it's great to hear from a local! I ride the Cottonwood Trail system and Ike's Peek most of the times. Look forward to riding Cowboy tails next week.

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    Care to share your experience with ENVE? Their website makes it sound like their customer service is excellent. They are like the Ferrari of wheels, so I would expect that but I'd like to hear your side of it.

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    The Enve M70 HV goes to 30mm ID shipping the end of September.. Enve is using Arovex nanotube carbon sheeting in some of their products(since 2012) for more strength. Zyvex claims that Arovex provides nearly twice the fracture resistance of conventional carbon fiber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sammieandkrisbey View Post
    Care to share your experience with ENVE? Their website makes it sound like their customer service is excellent. They are like the Ferrari of wheels, so I would expect that but I'd like to hear your side of it.
    Enve's CS is top notch you email or call they will answer. In no way do I think Enve is bad they're just super pricey and I don't think they're worth it? The derbyS are solid performers CS is great! He's hungry for your business so his goal is to make you happy!
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    Enve M70 HV is the only size that comes close to Derby's. They just started making wider and my guess is they finally listened to some mountain bikers that really ride mtn bikes. Not posers that usually ride road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sammieandkrisbey View Post
    Care to share your experience with ENVE? Their website makes it sound like their customer service is excellent. They are like the Ferrari of wheels, so I would expect that but I'd like to hear your side of it.
    Prior to owning a set of Enve wheels (50/50) I thought there is no way they could be any better the Rovals or Valors I have.

    I was wrong. The Enves are much stiffer then the Valors and but less buzzy (hollow feeling) than the Roval SL's.

    Does it make them worth the $1000 more then the other wheels...
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    I'm a big fan of the Derby rims that are on my DH bike.

    I approached my local bike shop with the wheel build I had in mind (Derby rims laced to I9 hubs and spokes) and we discussed the logistics of getting all of this done. After that conversation at the shop, I sent an email to Ray at Derby, and asked him a handful of questions about what would be involved. He responded within hours, and answered all of my questions.

    Derby sent the rims directly to Industry Nine, and in turn, I9 built the wheels and sent them back to my bike shop. Now, 1 season of racing and general pounding later... the rims are still in great shape. Additionally, I am expecting to continue using them through next race season.

    The only potentially negative thing I have noticed is an inherent issue with any "wide rim" that causes the tire profile to be more upright... rock scrapes. Not strikes on the rim bead, but rather, rocks grazing the side of the rim due to the more exposed nature of the rim. I expect this issue to be diminished as tire profiles catch up with the rim trend.

    That said, I am sold on how the rims (and tires) perform. More importantly, I am sold on the service and product that Derby is selling.

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    I decided to go with the ENVE wheels. The 6C XTR build will come with the HV wheels per Matt at Yeti.

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    The M70 HV? If so, good choice since you'll get a good deal ,since buying with a bike and build kit. If there the M60's,I wouldn't waste my money and just get whatever base alloy wheels come with the kit. Then buy wider Derby's and keep the alloy's as a spare.
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    I decided to go with the ENVE wheels. The 6C XTR build will come with the HV wheels per Matt at Yeti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sammieandkrisbey View Post
    Care to share your experience with ENVE? Their website makes it sound like their customer service is excellent. They are like the Ferrari of wheels, so I would expect that but I'd like to hear your side of it.
    I just went through a replacement of my 27.5 Enve AM rims. It was my fault for running too low of pressure and I dinged both the front and rear rims, cracking them (not on the same ride and I continued to ride them for a few months with no problem).

    I finally started the replacement process and couldn't be happier with how it turned out. I was totally transparent about it being my fault. I also got a new bike and wanted to change to a 29" and I was prepared to pay to change but they totally took care of me. Now I have 29" M70 HV's and the turnaround was quick. So stoked and although the wheels are spendy, this experience has made me an ENVE customer for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crbeardsley View Post
    I just went through a replacement of my 27.5 Enve AM rims. It was my fault for running too low of pressure and I dinged both the front and rear rims, cracking them (not on the same ride and I continued to ride them for a few months with no problem).

    I finally started the replacement process and couldn't be happier with how it turned out. I was totally transparent about it being my fault. I also got a new bike and wanted to change to a 29" and I was prepared to pay to change but they totally took care of me. Now I have 29" M70 HV's and the turnaround was quick. So stoked and although the wheels are spendy, this experience has made me an ENVE customer for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizmuth View Post
    I was debating between Derby, Light Bike, and Nextie. I posted a question on here about ideal rim width for my type of riding, and just for the heck of it I emailed the same question to Ray at Derby. At 8:55 on a Saturday night (on a holiday weekend).

    At 9:43 that same night (less than an hour later) I received a reply from Ray, going into detail about which rims would be ideally suited for me based on my riding style, size, bike, etc... It wasn't just a 'go with the 35mm rims', it was the why, how, and reasoning behind it. His reply was way longer than my initial email, and I hadn't even bought rims from him yet.

    The customer service alone sold me on Derby rims. Mine got into my local LBS Derby dealer yesterday, and will be built up next week.
    Excellent. That right there is an acid test of what a company will be like to work with.

    My three Derby rims have a few seasons on them and are fantastic. Th 275s are probably wider than necessary, but most people like them super wide. Tubless set up, durability, trueing, ... All great.


    Haven't been to his site recently, but if building up a new DH wheel I'd consider a Derby if he traded some width for strength, not that the rims aren't already strong.

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    Both are very good rims. I don't appreciate the inability to true Enve rims without removing the tire and rim tape, but then they don't need to be trued very often. With Enve you are paying a very healthy premium for the brand, made in USA, and great warranty. Derby is, in my view, similar quality and also has a good warranty but it will cover only the rim.

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    I went with the M70 HV, I9 Hubs and DT Swiss Spokes for my 6C Anniversary bike.

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    M70 HV rims would be the only ENVE's I'd choose for a Trail/Enduro bike build. Not as wide as the Derby's but lighter and with the right tires will make a faster climber.
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    I went with the M70 HV, I9 Hubs and DT Swiss Spokes for my 6C Anniversary bike.
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    Thanks for the input. Max tire size I plan on running for the trails here is 2.3. Next year I am heading to Mammoth for some DH so maybe a 2.4 then.

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    Anytime, I have i30mm width rims and use 2.2 to 2.4 tires without issues. The HV M70's are i31 so 2.3's and 2.4's are spot on. You could even get some DH specific 2.5 tires and not have an issue. I personally used 2.5 tires last time I rode Mammoth but that was with my outdated 26" wheel bike but it still has wide rims anyway
    Quote Originally Posted by sammieandkrisbey View Post
    Thanks for the input. Max tire size I plan on running for the trails here is 2.3. Next year I am heading to Mammoth for some DH so maybe a 2.4 then.
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