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    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits

    I've bought myself 2019 Anthem 2 29" and 2,2kg stock wheels are slowing this bike a lot, so I've decided to make a "cheap carbon bike wheels". This is the first part of this project: hubs

    After some research I've decided to remove bitex, novatec, formula from my interest list... On Aliexpress I've found the hub's that are looking almost exactly like DT350, so taking advantage of CHNY sales I've bought a pair of those:

    => vitoocycle Abgedichtete lager MTB
    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-vitoo_cycle_28h_cl_hubs.jpg

    vitoocycle 110x15, 148x12 (boost standard) CL disc hubs, It's a shame but there is there is no IS version. The star ratchet is 36T.

    After a month I've received a light package looking like a football ball

    On scale:
    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-vitoo_cycle_28h_cl_hubs_front_130g.jpg

    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-vitoo_cycle_28h_cl_hubs_rear_254g.jpg

    Front hub:
    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-vitoo_cycle_28h_cl_hubs_front_adapters.jpg

    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-vitoo_cycle_28h_cl_hubs_front_bearing.jpg
    The adapters were hard to remove, they are a bit loose, the same is axle between the bearings inside the hub. The bearing's are no-name 6902RS.

    Rear hub:
    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-vitoo_cycle_28h_cl_hubs_rear_code.jpg

    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-vitoo_cycle_28h_cl_hubs_rear_body.jpg

    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-vitoo_cycle_28h_cl_hubs_rear_bearing.jpg

    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-vitoo_cycle_28h_cl_hubs_rear_freehub.jpg

    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-vitoo_cycle_28h_cl_hubs_rear_star_ratchet.jpg

    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-vitoo_cycle_28h_cl_hubs_rear_star_ratchet_36t.jpg

    The adapters and free-hub body are easily removable by hand, all bearings and ratchet system are lightly greased. The ratchet system is 36T hollow version, the bearings inside the freehub body and hubs are no-name 6902RS.

    The look's nice. I can't compare them with original DT 350s hub's but judging by the look they are their exact copies.

    I'm still waiting for the rims, so after some time I will post the update.

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    What rims have you purchased or are you still deciding?
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    Wow, I was expecting it to be koozer hub internals, but those really are straight up DT knockoffs!

    If you get the opportunity, it would be interesting to know if true DT stars fit in those hubs.

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    The knockoff 54t ratchets have already been failures. The Chinese wheel/rim suppliers have already dropped them. Let us know about the 36t.

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    Wonder if the inside ratchet is threaded like a real one or bonded so that you'll never be able to change that bearing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    Wonder if the inside ratchet is threaded like a real one or bonded so that you'll never be able to change that bearing?
    Good idea, I have the DT key and the original 18T ratchet, I'll cheek that later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meschenbruch View Post
    What rims have you purchased or are you still deciding?
    I'm betting on SpeedSafe 370g 29er 28X25 asymmetric rim's, they have a few positive reviews here.

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    It's not a counterfeit or knockoff. It's a copy. The patent has expired and it is no different than a Newmen, Syntace, Mavic 360, or koozer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    If you get the opportunity, it would be interesting to know if true DT stars fit in those hubs.
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    Interested on feedback.

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    I like building J hook hubs. Here's a 350 hub from Bike 24.
    https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content...5D=1;orderby=3
    124 euros for a 148 Shimano rear.
    And a 15x110 front.
    https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content...ge=2;orderby=3
    54.61 euros. 1.15 dollars to a euro.

    I think the real thing is at a good price.

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    Hello again,

    So the parts are fully interchangeable - and I was able fully disassemble the hub.

    DT Ratchet - as original as it can be .
    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-original_dt_ratchet.jpg

    DT Rachet VS Vitoo ratchet
    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-original_dt_ratchet_vs_vitoo_ratchet.jpg

    Fitting inside the hub
    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-dt_ratchet_inside_vitoo_hub.jpg

    Vitoo hub close up
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    Original DT Ratchet fitting
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    Vitoo hub apart
    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-vitoo_cycle_hub_apart.jpg

    Enduro bearings ??
    Chinese DT hubs counterfeits-enduro_bearging_c-3.jpg

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    Yes, it can be removed with the DT key.

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    Wow. Fully serviceable and the dt ratchets fit. I think these are going to be very popular

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    Please post observations on how the centerlock rotor splines and lockring fit on these when you get a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    It's not a counterfeit or knockoff. It's a copy. The patent has expired and it is no different than a Newmen, Syntace, Mavic 360, or koozer.
    Do all of those have direct parts interchangeability with DT swiss? I find a lot with chinese copy products that if they can get the base body of the product correct that they may only drop the ball on parts that require correct metallurgy, in this case the ratchet parts, and those can be swapped for OEM parts and still save you a bundle of money.

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    Not all, only this specific model.

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    Ok, Schulze made it seem like all of them were the same.

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    Not really. It's not an exact copy but it's not a counterfeit either.

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    They wont be popular at that price. Maybe at half that price.

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    I would argue with this, the price is almost the same as for the set of the light hubs from Bitex or Novatec - and at the same time, the DT overall construction is far more reliable. If they don't **** up something with the materials the price is reasonable.
    Novatec D711SB D712SB - around 120$
    Bitex MTF15 MTR12 - around 140$
    VitooCycles - around 150$

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    How are these holding up?

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    It looks like this same hub can be bought in different sizes....like 135, 142 and 148mm rear & 100 or 110 front. Could be a good match to some DT rims I have waiting for a gravel wheel build. Notices that they also offer it with a 60T rachet upgrade! More feedback is needed before I can pull the trigger @ $180/set.
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    I don't have too much time to ride - but they work fine. Apparently better than a brand new original DT240S hub set bought from DT distributor in Poland - the bearings were so tightly pressed that the hubs were not rolling after the wheels were put together.

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    How are these doing? still going? did you run them with the supplied ratchet or DT ones?

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    All things considered, dt 350's aren't really much more expensive. Another 50 bucks if you catch sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominik.M View Post
    Yes, it can be removed with the DT key.

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    If you were able to remove the threaded ring from an unlaced hub (not a built wheel) I would run, not walk, away from that hub. Regardless of price.

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    I was under the impression that the ring would actually tighten under load/use and that was the reason why they are such a bitch to remove after 4-6 years of use? Is that an incorrect impression?

    I have 4 sets of wheels with DT ratchet hubs (3 240, 1 350) and haven't had to replace any bearings yet, but not looking forward to it. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfl3 View Post
    I was under the impression that the ring would actually tighten under load/use and that was the reason why they are such a bitch to remove after 4-6 years of use? Is that an incorrect impression?

    I have 4 sets of wheels with DT ratchet hubs (3 240, 1 350) and haven't had to replace any bearings yet, but not looking forward to it. ;-)

    The threaded ring in a legit DT hub is not able to be removed -- even when new, unridden -- from an unlaced hub. And yes, over time, it still tightens in there.

    If the threaded ring is installed so loosely in these knockoffs, it has the potential to thread so far/so fast into the hub that it'll split the hubshell on your first few pedal strokes. I've seen it happen with other (cheap) hubs.

    At that point, how far ahead are you when you have to unlace the wheel and relace (at minimum) a new hub shell in there?

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    Thanks for the information/explanation Mike.

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