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    BTLOS Carbon Rims - New (well priced) Chinese Mfg and Retail Option

    Hey guys,

    Over in the 29er components form there is a Cheep Chinese carbon rim thread - you know the one.

    Well, I was loitering around and noticed this new company BTLOS (Beyond the Limits of Self), drop in and announce themselves with a shameless self plug. And I took the click bait.

    Backstory: Not a week before I ordered some Nextie premium rims for my new build. I'm always skeptical, and really prefer to go with something that has some history...which sometimes means I overpay, lol. Got the 29er, 36mm external wide rims. Awesome. Expensive.

    Well, low and behold BTLOS has the same rim profile, which I like very much. 29mm being a good width in my opinion, and with slightly thicker 3.5mm sidewalls. They also offer it in a more premium package, with combination T700/T800 with slightly more T800 (which cost twice what the T700 does) than Nextie, while using a slightly more simplistic layup with a single overlap angle of 45 degrees, and guarantee the same roundness and flatness. So, nearly identical product, with the benefit of a little bit of a pricier make-up material wise, and perhaps a little less pricey due to simplified layup. I imagine the difference in cost overall, should be nil. But...

    Nextie, $240 per rim.
    BTLOS, $170 per rim.

    Nextie was kind enough to offer me their xmas discount of $35 per rim, early. And I got a second set lower tier rims from the to lace and sell.

    BTLOS has an xmas sale too, with 15% off.

    Now $205 vs $144.50.

    BTLOS was slightly cheaper for shipping...and offered to invoice me in Canadian, at the days exchange rate - this to me is great because it could save me 2.5% fx fee.

    I sort of cried a little, seeing my money go down the toilet...overall the same rims at Nextie were $200 Canadian more! Many will tell you the two rims are likely identical. Perhaps even from the same factory, who knows. I CAN tell you Nextie is only a 25 min drive from BTLOS, who seem to me to actually be a factory and not just a reseller/middle man. Not sure about Nextie, but I get the sense they are a reseller.

    I have chatted back and fourth with both Nextie, and BTLOS. I can tell you that the guys at Nextie are nice guys, but to me BTLOS is out to prove something - they have a sales person available in the morning and all evening, and they are responsive, sending pics and having their engineers literally draw a cad picture and send to answer a tech question - it was quite impressive.

    Long story short, I have a small wheel building business side gig, and I thought...why not. I need to know...so I am going to be the guinea pig. If they are indeed the same quality, then I know what rims that I will use for my local carbon wheel builds, and I'll just sell the extra set off.

    They don't seem to have a lot of profiles posted yet, but given the fact they are a new B2C company that I believe has longer standing B2B track record, I think they have more profiles, just not yet posted to their web site. I am hoping they get their product range a little more sorted, but I'm happy to have found them. upon searching; it seems they have only been online for little over a month. They did offer the same 36mm rim in 650B, even though it isn't posted - so I know they have more. Not much yet in the 27-35mm internal width that I think is optimal, but I hope more will come.

    So far, I can say service is really second to none, and I don't just mean for an Asian rim company - I deal with Hope, DT Swiss, and WTB on a semi frequent, and I'm just as happy with the service provided on my first rim purchase, and their eagerness to help/troubleshoot.

    I do hope they get some more interesting and trendy rim profiles up in the coming weeks/months. If they can, they may be a winner.

    When I have both comparable BTLOS and Nextie rims in hand, I'll will take some detail pics and give you an initial impression.

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    Thanks for sharing this find with us, really looking forward to your review. Always nice to see more options (and having it in CAD is nice too since I'm in Toronto). If they are as good as you think I'll have them on my short list for the ID29mm option.

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    Clicking on that link I have to think that Nextie and Btlos are the same companies. Websites are identical.
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    @bikerfisher11 - I am also located in Toronto (near Keel and Dundas) - you are welcome to come by and check the rims out if you like, when they arrive. Might as well wait so you can compare Nextie to Btlos. It's always nice to handle something before you buy and I'm happy to help if I can. I know it's tough to put your trust in a company that's on the other side of the globe, and it's hard to sort through what is good and what is junk, who's telling the whole truth, etc.

    @Rngspnr - Most of the Asian sites that allow customization of rims have nearly identical user interface. You'll find light bicycle very similar. they are all physically different entities, however. I get the sense there might be a couple dozen manufacturers and resellers in this area. Some make rims for larger companies and have customer direct spin-offs. To get a sense of the geography, check out the map I made of the more well known brands - most are within a few minutes driving distance of one another. Hard to know however, who is making their own stuff, and who is just re-branding and adding cost. I can with some certainty, that BTLOS is actually making rims themselves, and this direct to customer thing is new for them. This scenario is best (in my humble opinion
    ), because I think this is where you'll get the best quality at the lowest cost. I can confirm the cost part at least - I will soon be able to tell you about the quality, and overall value. Stay Tuned!

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    Saw your post and emailed btlos to see about some cx wheels. Hopefully similar to rg922 gravel light bikes with lighter t800.will follow up when they respond. Thanks for the heads up.

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    Not bad. I'm more impressed with EIE's lineup at similar pricing, except for this one:

    https://btlos.com/mountain-bike/supe...n-rim?filter=1

    That's the best price I've seen for an XC rim in that weight class. EIE's version is about $50 more per side, though asymmetric and a bit lighter.

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    @mjw - Thanks! I will very likely take you up on the offer to come see them in person when you're done. I'm in Scarborough but would happily make the trip to the west side.
    Much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rngspnr View Post
    Clicking on that link I have to think that Nextie and Btlos are the same companies. Websites are identical.
    I'm thinking most of these guys are selling the same stuff or, rather, are re-selling the same stuff. Their rim profiles and product lineups all look almost identical.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    @alexdi - eie looks to have a very clear product range, which I like. Makes picking your rim easy. And price looks okay, for sure. I don't like the shape of their symmetric rims, but their asym rims look nice. I would however, prefer some options with thicker rim bead walls. They are calling some rims with 3mm sidewalls (the burliest they seem to have), downhill and freeride rims, which is a bit of a joke when other sellers offer DH/FR rims with 4.5mm sidewalls, and trail/enduro rims with 3.5mm sidewalls.

    BTLOS doesn't seem to have their product range quite in order yet, and they definitely could use more asym and symmetrical rims in a medium/wide internal width (27mm-35mm). I do think that you'll see those being posted in the near term...of so i get the sense. Seems they do have some nice slightly narrower stuff.

    However, if you want a more upscale rim, with combination t700+t800 composition (which is more costly to make), they are fantastic in regards to price. I hope they continue with this sort of offering. This is the rim I mean in specific, and while they have it only posted in 29, they do stock it/produce it in 27.5 also (I checked):

    https://btlos.com/mountain-bike/bm29s-36?filter=2%2C14

    Alexdi, are you on boost hubs? Or regular spacing?

    I'm on regular spacing (15x100, 12x142), but still chose to go Symmetrical. I definitely believe that asym rims will make a stronger wheel overall and their are benefits, but this particular rim caught me. It's burly, the right width for me, and I can build a pretty strong wheel - well built symmetric rim wheels have never been an issue for me. Also the tall profile means shorter spokes, making my 29 wheel stiffer. Overall they should be lighter, wider, stiffer, and tougher, than the DT ex471 they replace. Or so I hope!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerfisher11 View Post
    @mjw - Thanks! I will very likely take you up on the offer to come see them in person when you're done. I'm in Scarborough but would happily make the trip to the west side.
    Much appreciated.
    I'll keep you posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    I'm thinking most of these guys are selling the same stuff or, rather, are re-selling the same stuff. Their rim profiles and product lineups all look almost identical.
    Definitely the truth in a lot of cases, yes. Some profiles seem to get sold by numerous re-sellers. But I'm fairly certain even if the mold and profile are the same, pending the factory, the composition and quality of materials can actually vary.

    The mold used for the Nextie and for BTLOS rims I bought are definitely identical, but Nextie cost 40% more. The layup is different however, as is the split of t800/t700 which changes cost. This might all be for naught, or maybe there is some performance advantage one way or the other, but I can't say.

    What I can say is, the customer service rep ran around the factory taking pictures of anything I requested. I have pics of open boxes of t700 and t800 Toray CF. I know the spec of the resin they use, and I have pictures with factory in the background, with workers manning the machines in production rooms. They weren't staged, just background noise in pictures of rim samples and so on. So, I can tell you with confidence this is actually a manufacturer - not just a reseller who's adding margin. And I assume this is why they can offer the same rim, or nearly the same rim, for 40% less. Hopefully I am correct!

    Interestingly, they also offer you the opportunity to design and create your own mold, and thus your own branded rim - something you'll likely not find anywhere but a factory:

    "With the principle of reasonable prices, efficient production time, service after the sale, we also offer OEM manufacturing for that special customer who wants to invest in their own product line. We help with product engineering and mold design, and the customer pays for the mold. If you are interested in any of our products or would like to discuss a custom order, please do not hesitate to contact us by email [email protected]. We are looking forward to forming successful business relationships with new clients around the world in the near future."
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    Looks like they are out of Xiamen. The vast majority of carbon rims that come out of China comes from Xiamen. It seems pretty easy to set up an office there and have your pick of manufacturers for your new wheel company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjw View Post
    I would however, prefer some options with thicker rim bead walls. They are calling some rims with 3mm sidewalls (the burliest they seem to have), downhill and freeride rims, which is a bit of a joke when other sellers offer DH/FR rims with 4.5mm sidewalls, and trail/enduro rims with 3.5mm sidewalls.
    I wouldn't put too much stock in the label, though that's a pretty typical wall width. Knight's rims are all 2.5mm, Nox is 3mm, and Ibis is 3mm. Atomik goes up to 3.5mm on their "AM" rims. DH use, to me, demands a rim liner regardless of the width. I'd sooner choose 2.5mm with Huck Norris (or whatever) than 4mm without.

    https://btlos.com/mountain-bike/bm29s-36?filter=2%2C14

    That's a nice rim. It's about 50g heavier than I'd expect for a partial T800 layup at that spec. Whether that matters in the context of 1000g tires is debatable. My own wheels are 29i and 39i on 142 and Lefty spacing respectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexdi View Post
    I wouldn't put too much stock in the label, though that's a pretty typical wall width. Knight's rims are all 2.5mm, Nox is 3mm, and Ibis is 3mm. Atomik goes up to 3.5mm on their "AM" rims. DH use, to me, demands a rim liner regardless of the width. I'd sooner choose 2.5mm with Huck Norris (or whatever) than 4mm without.

    https://btlos.com/mountain-bike/bm29s-36?filter=2%2C14

    That's a nice rim. It's about 50g heavier than I'd expect for a partial T800 layup at that spec. Whether that matters in the context of 1000g tires is debatable. My own wheels are 29i and 39i on 142 and Lefty spacing respectively.
    Yeah, I'd agree with you that just about any carbon rim could use a liner, or the wall protection as Enve now does for more extreme use.

    Nobl is usually my point of reference, being Canadian.

    Nobl also uses 3.5mm walls on their harder riding rims, 3.0mm on their mid-weight mid-wides, and 2.5mm on their lighter riding skinny i23 rims.

    Weight is not too bad, imho. Nolb's tr36 has a slimmer build and less depth, and sits ar 440g. BTLOS is 470g, with a build more akin to the Nobl TR38 (650b rim that weights 490g). A tad heavy - maybe. I'd argue not too bad. But, compare the cost. For the sake of 30-50g per rim, are you willing to pony up the extra $230 USD per rim?

    BTLOS: $170 (144.50 now with xmas sale)
    Nextie: $240 (205.00 now with xmas sale)
    Nobl: $400

    Heck. That's $255.50 savings per rim during xmas. If the only difference is weight between BTLOS, or even Nextie, and domestic rims, I'll keep my $511 USD, and buy some primo tires with part of it!

    Please know, I am not saying they are the BEST rims in the world. they have the potential to be pretty great I think. But the price might just be damn near the best for the spec. This means they might well be one of the best values out there right now...that is of course my opinion, it is untested. My fingered are crossed.

    For me...riding DT EX471, I'm shaving weight and adding width, so it's all good =)
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    My EIE 29i rim came in at 395g. It's paired with a 2.4ish tire at just over 20 PSI. I'm usually around 180 kitted up, riding occasionally rocky XC terrain as fast as possible. I do occasionally bottom it, though to no apparent consequence. Haven't found a reason to opt for a heavier rim yet. I'm sure I'd feel differently in parts of the country with more gnar, but then, I'd also probably just equip the same rim with a liner.

    So far, the widest ultralight options are 24i. Wouldn't surprise me to see a 360g 29i rim sometime next year though. If I had infinite money, I'd throw it at these:

    FSE 35AM MTB 29er Tubeless Hookless DT Swiss 240 Boost Carbon Fiber Wheelset - FSE.bike

    Not sure to make of the quoted widths, but I'll bet they've got the highest strength to weight of anything out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexdi View Post
    My EIE 29i rim came in at 395g. It's paired with a 2.4ish tire at just over 20 PSI. I'm usually around 180 kitted up, riding occasionally rocky XC terrain as fast as possible. I do occasionally bottom it, though to no apparent consequence. Haven't found a reason to opt for a heavier rim yet. I'm sure I'd feel differently in parts of the country with more gnar, but then, I'd also probably just equip the same rim with a liner.

    So far, the widest ultralight options are 24i. Wouldn't surprise me to see a 360g 29i rim sometime next year though. If I had infinite money, I'd throw it at these:

    FSE 35AM MTB 29er Tubeless Hookless DT Swiss 240 Boost Carbon Fiber Wheelset - FSE.bike

    Not sure to make of the quoted widths, but I'll bet they've got the highest strength to weight of anything out there.
    I tend to take my bikes to lift access DH parks, and do a lot of travel around the east coast where there is more root and rock than soil. Throw in some good sized drops and jumps, perfect. So, I take come comfort in a burly rim

    Those rims you posted - those are really nice. Sounds like high tech carbon!

    As for the width, I don't mind them. 25mm works well - still plenty Enduro and DH racers on 25mm rims - the ex471 being extremely popular with 25mm inner. I have 2 sets in use . 5mm rim walls...burly!

    Super light would be nice, but super light isn't my main concern. But certainly a strong and wide i30mm-ish rim, sub 400g, would be attractive. Especially if it were a reasonable price.
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    My BTLOS rims have officially gone to production, and my Nexties have shipped.

    Lily from BTLOS send me the mock-up for my decals. I went with a colored B, and stealth for TLOS. I'm not usually all that keen on these manufacturer names and logos - I can never relate to them really...perhaps I'm a snob. But, I actually think this looks simple and kind of cool!

    These will end up on my Black Canfield Riot, with Green DVO fork, and a few other green accents. They will be laced to DT Swiss 240' (green decals), via sapim d-light spokes. They should look pretty slick I think.

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    Got my Nextie rims.

    Initial impressions:

    On the Premium 29 rims - finish work isn't bad. However, Nextie says on their site that they will be within 0.15mm flatness/roundness. The card attached clearly shows that the rims are outside the guaranteed QC variance. I think that's pretty poor form!

    The Asym 27.5 rims are horribly build finished. Very very VERY poorly done. The sidewalls were not build with enough resin and have already started to delaminate - you can stick your finger nail in-between the layers. Design is also pretty terrible - spoke holes on the tire side are centered while the spoke hols on the hub side are asymmetric, so they barely line up. It would be impossible to use a proper nipple driver/nipple wrench to build these - so much for the expensive squorx nips I bought. But, I won't use them anyways because the sidewalls look terrible.

    So far, not impressed with Nextie. Definitely not worth the price premium. Not likely I'd evey buy a set to lace and resell to one of my own customers.
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    That's unfortunate. Post photos and Nextie's response?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexdi View Post
    That's unfortunate. Post photos and Nextie's response?
    I will for sure, as soon as I hear back from them.

    Meanwhile, the joke of the day. Check out the sidewall seperation, and they actually put a QC Pass sticker right next to it!!!! The whole rim lip looks like this. 1-2mm deep seperation in sections.

    Nextie QC Pass:

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    I thought BTLOS is another person that lost their bitcoin

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjw View Post
    Check out the sidewall seperation, and they actually put a QC Pass sticker right next to it!!!!
    What a mess. Nextie has a lot of positive feedback, but that'd be enough for me to write off the whole brand. Maybe QC was phoning it in, or maybe they don't actually do QC. Either way, there's a significant defect in the validation process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexdi View Post
    What a mess. Nextie has a lot of positive feedback, but that'd be enough for me to write off the whole brand. Maybe QC was phoning it in, or maybe they don't actually do QC. Either way, there's a significant defect in the validation process.
    Yep! Exactly how I feel. Both rims have one wall that is okay, and one that is delaminating all the way around, with one being a little worse than the other, while neither is at all acceptable.

    And they aren't quick to reply either. I've send a couple of email now with additional pictures - we'll see how they recover. Hopefully Nextie can get a couple of good rims out to me with proper resin coating, no delamination, and proper spoke hole drilling so I can actually lace the wheel properly with a squorx wrench.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexdi View Post
    What a mess. Nextie has a lot of positive feedback, but that'd be enough for me to write off the whole brand. Maybe QC was phoning it in, or maybe they don't actually do QC. Either way, there's a significant defect in the validation process.
    Nextie is back from holidays. They have been very apologetic. They are lining up a new set for me tomorrow, and have refunded me a small amount as a token apology. I'm pretty happy with the response! Good guys, Brian and Max.

    Sounds like they were bad samples they had lying around and did not mean to sell/ship them. The next set should be factory fresh.

    Should arrive with proper resin job and spoke holes that line up properly. I hope =)

    On another note, my BTLOS rims should arrive in the next week or so hopefully. Looking forward to comparing them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjw View Post
    Sounds like they were bad samples they had lying around and did not mean to sell/ship them. The next set should be factory fresh.
    You might ask them how they're ensuring it won't happen again. Most defects in carbon manufacture are not obvious. That an obvious defect would get through isn't encouraging for the ones that take more QC rigor to spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexdi View Post
    You might ask them how they're ensuring it won't happen again. Most defects in carbon manufacture are not obvious. That an obvious defect would get through isn't encouraging for the ones that take more QC rigor to spot.
    Well said. Also their explanation seems irrelevant to the case (if it is more credible than the QC sticker). Hopefully OP will be luckier this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexdi View Post
    https://btlos.com/mountain-bike/bm29s-36?filter=2%2C14

    That's a nice rim. It's about 50g heavier than I'd expect for a partial T800 layup at that spec. Whether that matters in the context of 1000g tires is debatable.
    Looking at their website they mention using PMI foam in their production, I wonder if this may account for the extra weight? Has anyone had their hands/eyes on one of these rims yet?

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    Wow, Ive built up quite a few nextie and LB wheelsets between friends and family, and Ive never seen anything even close to that delamination. The biggest defect Ive seen so far was visible seams on a pair of promotional/blowout pricing rims. Otherwise they've all been perfect. I hope they make it right for you.

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    Still waiting on replacement rims from Nextie.

    My BTLOS arrived today. They fit and finish is perfect. At least as good as the same profile Nextie Premium rims.

    They two are virtually identical. The BTLOS rims are perfect, and blemish free, and were much cheaper.
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    Did anyone buy BTLOS CX Gravel-BGU30-29 rims?
    The standard version of the price seems very good!
    https://btlos.com/road-bike/700c-29m...yclocross-rims
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexdi View Post
    You might ask them how they're ensuring it won't happen again. Most defects in carbon manufacture are not obvious...
    That goes for aaaaaaall of them rim maker.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8fsKeQwplg

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadoretteboat View Post
    That goes for aaaaaaall of them rim maker.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8fsKeQwplg
    I knew what that video was going to be before I opened it. His videos are sometimes slightly overwrought but they show how much hype there is in the world of carbon.

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    I just wanted to update this thread with a bit of an informal review of these rims.

    The 36mm Premium rims - I have since had 4 sets of these come across my bench - One for personal use, and three for other people including one 250lb bruiser on a short travel rig.

    Personal - I have been riding mine on a Canfield Riot now for the past month. I am extremely satisfied with how the build up - quickly and problem free, largely due to being made very round and flat right out of the mold. Weight was lower than published - 466g vs 480g stated on their website. Nipple bed thickness is very consistent and internal wrinkles/inconsistencies are nearly nil, on par with most high end rim makers. Laced 29er, 2x, 32H - these wheels are stiff - partly due to the tall 30mm depth, partly due to the thicker rim walls. I have been hammering them pretty good with psi of 24F/26R, and they haven't flinched. Given the cost, heck even ignoring cost, I am thus far very impressed.

    I am even more impressed with the fact that BTLOS have me the thumbs up to put these under a rider who is 250lbs. I don't recall what these rims are rated for, but I do recall my rider was under the limit by a safe margin. He's been thrashing them pretty hard for the last two months plus, and the wheel are still straight as a whip, zero sign of stress, and he is ecstatic with the ride feel these give when wrapped with high volume bonty tires.

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    Any recent updates with the BTLOS rims? Still working well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greginaz View Post
    Any recent updates with the BTLOS rims? Still working well?
    I've now purchased a number of sets of carbon rims from Factories and resellers in China. BTLOS remain at the top for me.

    I am still flogging a set on my own Canfield - I run sensible air pressure, but I usually hit all the A lines and larger features and they don't flinch. They have stood up very well against rock strikes and misguided landings. And, they are as true now as the day I laced them up, which is pretty incredible. Same can be said for about 6 other people I laced them for and am still in contact with, including the guy who owns the Rocky above who's over 270lbs all kitted up. This guy actually destroyed a DT 350 on the set I laced him - tore the rotor right out of the hub, but the hoop was still perfectly true after the accident.

    From a builders standpoint, the ten or so sets that have come across my bench have all been very flat and round - shaped perfectly. Absolutely no blemishes in any of them - they are well made. Last few have been gloss finish, which really looks quite nice as the UD carbon detail is totally well done. I stay away from anything that comes painted, and even matte finish can hide imperfections, but gloss hides nothing. Nipple holes are appropriately sized and spoke drilling angle is spot on. They even go do far as to sticker the rim to indicate which direction they are drilled so you can't mess it up. They build up easily, and they don't deform at higher tensions (120-130 kgf) like I have seen some rims do (Light Bicycle being one).

    Honestly, I cannot say enough good things about them.

    Lily, who is the point person for all direct to consumer sales, is friendly, quite smart, her English is perfect so I never find there is any fall down in communication, and she will bend over backwards to help you.

    I also know that their factory poached an engineer from one of the bigger bike companies, and they are doing things right in terms of engineering, testing, and QC, all in house, as far as I can tell. They also analyze competitor rims to benchmark their own performance, and from what I can squeeze out of them, their rims stand up well against the bigger more well known brands. And they do produce for some bigger more well known brands as far as I know also, but they are very tight lipped over who they produce for, and what test results are - I suspect because of contract obligations, and because that's the classy/respectful thing to do.
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    Great to hear all the positive reviews for BTLOS, but I can't find any rims that match the lighter weights of those from Nextie (their ultralights, which use T1000):

    https://www.nextie.net/ultralight-mo...34mm-NXT29UL34

    or these from eie carbon:

    super light 29er 34mm wide MTB hookless tubeless compatible carbon rims

    or these from Carbonfan...

    https://www.carbonfan.com/t800-tubel...28mm-33mm-35mm


    I'm looking for i25-i30 (I think 27-28mm would be ideal) that are at most 360g for i30, and less than that for narrower rims. Am I missing something from BTLOS???
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    I have some heavy wheels on order from them. The 29er i29 with Premium T700/T800 "DH" build. I will post pictures and weights once they are here. That is if they ever come (customs problem the first time they shipped.)

    BTLOS does do custom orders and they are pretty friendly, so I'd email them if you want to ask specific questions about getting a super light rim. Although honestly at this moment, I am getting impatient and can't give a good review until the wheels are here.

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    Has anybody tried the i30 rims yet? They are 35mm outer and 30mm ID at 25mm deep so a pretty popular shape and size. Just not asym which seems be the all the rage these days. Thinking about ordering some of these.

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    Got my wm-i29 DH Premium wheels a month-ish ago. They are still dead straight after 3 harsh days in Moab and several hard days in Denver front range -- I tend to be hard on wheels so them being true after this is actually a very good thing.

    wm-i29 "Premium" Carbon / DH Layup 29er
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    848g F / 950g R

    The wheels are extremely stiff torsionally and result in improved precision and easier wheel placement in rock gardens and low-speed tech.

    Also, the DHR/DHR tires inflated ridiculously easily tubeless with a hand pump. The easiest tubeless mount ever for me. Prior to these I'd been using 2014 Enve 'AM' rims and those were terrible mounting tires tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XterraMike View Post
    Has anybody tried the i30 rims yet? They are 35mm outer and 30mm ID at 25mm deep so a pretty popular shape and size. Just not asym which seems be the all the rage these days. Thinking about ordering some of these.
    I talked with BTLOS a couple weeks ago, inquiring about this rim vs the i29 rim. Based on my weight (200 pounds) and riding style/terrain (rocky terrain ridden aggressively but minimal drops) they recommended the i29. I was personally fine with this - much more interested in a durable wheelset then saving grams. I would recommend contacting them and getting their recommendations. Amy was very responsive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    Got my wm-i29 DH Premium wheels a month-ish ago. They are still dead straight after 3 harsh days in Moab and several hard days in Denver front range.
    Nice - I have a set of these rims in the AM version coming in the next couple of weeks. Looking forward to getting them!

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    Just got my WM-i29 wheelset from BTLOS yesterday. They look fantastic - I went with the black BTLOS decals and I really like the stealth look. The beads look perfect, and the finish on the rims is beautiful.

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    These wheels are definitely on the burlier side. I chose the M-i29 rims, AM Version / Premium series. I requested 32H rims; with DT Swiss 240s hubs and Sapim Laser spokes, they weigh in at 1800g. I am fine with that - I was looking for durability with these wheels more than weight savings. BTLOS definitely has lighter rims, so you should be able to hit whatever target weight you are looking for.

    For people interested in the process, I ordered the wheels on Oct 18, and was notified that the wheels were built on Nov. 12. There was a 3-4 day delay due to not having the spokes available when the rims were finished. The wheels shipped on Nov 12, and the first attempted delivery was Nov 20.

    Communication with Amy at BTLOS has been impressive. All questions were answered quickly (given the time differences between the US East Coast and China), and I was particularly impressed when Amy e-mailed me after the first delivery attempt was unsuccessful to make sure that I knew to schedule a follow-up delivery. I don't think I have ever had a company following the tracking of a package they sent to me before.

    BTLOS included rim tape and valve stems with the wheels as well. When I mentioned it to Amy, she indicated they did it because I had placed my order just before the Black Friday specials. While it would have been nice to get the sale price, I certainly do appreciate the tape and valve stems.

    Mounting tires was a little more difficult on these wheels than on the stock rims that came with my Hightower due to the BTLOS rims have a slightly larger outer diameter. It wasn't a problem - as long as I made sure the bead of the tire was sitting in the center channel, the tires could be mounted by hand without any tools. I am personally counting this as a good thing - I'll take a snug fit. I did need an air compressor to inflate a 2.35 Nobby Nic and 2.4 WT Rekon, but this was true of mounting the Rekon on the stock HT rims as well.

    The only thing that was less than perfect is that the hole for the valve stem looks is drilled a little small - the valve stems they provided do not sit very far into the hole and as a result, the amount of stem extending past the rim is less than normal; it isn't quite enough for the connector on a NoTubes syringe to thread onto it unless I move the threaded piece holding the valve core off first. I was able to work around it, and in the future I'll try some different valve stems to see if they fit differently. I passed this on to Amy, and she has already shared it with their engineer to improve the hole size for future rims.

    Overall, I am very pleased with my experience with BTLOS. Obviously, the real test will be using the wheels and seeing how they hold up to normal usage. Fingers crossed, but at this point I have no reason to be concerned. At this point I'd definitely recommend BTLOS to anybody looking to order carbon wheels directly from China.

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    1800g with DT 240s, Sapim Lasers and the Premium (T800) rims? Those must be some burly rims indeed.

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    I kind of ignored this thread until now, but BTLOS deserves serious consideration.

    Look at how well they do their marketing, I've never seen a Chinese factory website done this nicely!

    Look at their prices, they clearly have an edge on every one of their resellers! This has to be a matter of time before their resellers move on to a different supplier simply out of frustration.

    This thread has focused on heavy rims, but according to their website they do stock a lineup of ultralight XC rims, starting at 280g.

    I can't believe I've ordered from a Xiamen-based reseller all this while trying to scrounge for the lowest price they could do, and here is the manufacturer right in front of me beating every one of their promotional prices! (well, not on wheelsets).

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    FWIW, if anyone is ordering from BTLOS today, I "spun" their "prize wheel" and got a $35 off coupon, to be used on a WHEEL SET ONLY.

    As I will not be using it, the code is: ca5bf82810876c0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissypants View Post
    I kind of ignored this thread until now, but BTLOS deserves serious consideration.

    Look at how well they do their marketing, I've never seen a Chinese factory website done this nicely!

    Look at their prices, they clearly have an edge on every one of their resellers! This has to be a matter of time before their resellers move on to a different supplier simply out of frustration.

    This thread has focused on heavy rims, but according to their website they do stock a lineup of ultralight XC rims, starting at 280g.

    I can't believe I've ordered from a Xiamen-based reseller all this while trying to scrounge for the lowest price they could do, and here is the manufacturer right in front of me beating every one of their promotional prices! (well, not on wheelsets).
    I think Carbonfan gives them a run for their money on both website design and prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    I think Carbonfan gives them a run for their money on both website design and prices.
    But Carbonfan doesn't seem to have sales (unless you get one of their special deals for reviewing your purchase). BTLOS seems to give 15% off a few times a year, which handily beats the competition. I do wish they sold a 25mm+ IW rim that weighed under 350g like most of their competitors do, but on price they're about the best right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SqueakyWheel73 View Post
    Just got my WM-i29 wheelset from BTLOS yesterday. They look fantastic - I went with the black BTLOS decals and I really like the stealth look. The beads look perfect, and the finish on the rims is beautiful.

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    These wheels are definitely on the burlier side. I chose the M-i29 rims, AM Version / Premium series. I requested 32H rims; with DT Swiss 240s hubs and Sapim Laser spokes, they weigh in at 1800g. I am fine with that - I was looking for durability with these wheels more than weight savings. BTLOS definitely has lighter rims, so you should be able to hit whatever target weight you are looking for.

    For people interested in the process, I ordered the wheels on Oct 18, and was notified that the wheels were built on Nov. 12. There was a 3-4 day delay due to not having the spokes available when the rims were finished. The wheels shipped on Nov 12, and the first attempted delivery was Nov 20.

    Communication with Amy at BTLOS has been impressive. All questions were answered quickly (given the time differences between the US East Coast and China), and I was particularly impressed when Amy e-mailed me after the first delivery attempt was unsuccessful to make sure that I knew to schedule a follow-up delivery. I don't think I have ever had a company following the tracking of a package they sent to me before.

    BTLOS included rim tape and valve stems with the wheels as well. When I mentioned it to Amy, she indicated they did it because I had placed my order just before the Black Friday specials. While it would have been nice to get the sale price, I certainly do appreciate the tape and valve stems.

    Mounting tires was a little more difficult on these wheels than on the stock rims that came with my Hightower due to the BTLOS rims have a slightly larger outer diameter. It wasn't a problem - as long as I made sure the bead of the tire was sitting in the center channel, the tires could be mounted by hand without any tools. I am personally counting this as a good thing - I'll take a snug fit. I did need an air compressor to inflate a 2.35 Nobby Nic and 2.4 WT Rekon, but this was true of mounting the Rekon on the stock HT rims as well.

    The only thing that was less than perfect is that the hole for the valve stem looks is drilled a little small - the valve stems they provided do not sit very far into the hole and as a result, the amount of stem extending past the rim is less than normal; it isn't quite enough for the connector on a NoTubes syringe to thread onto it unless I move the threaded piece holding the valve core off first. I was able to work around it, and in the future I'll try some different valve stems to see if they fit differently. I passed this on to Amy, and she has already shared it with their engineer to improve the hole size for future rims.

    Overall, I am very pleased with my experience with BTLOS. Obviously, the real test will be using the wheels and seeing how they hold up to normal usage. Fingers crossed, but at this point I have no reason to be concerned. At this point I'd definitely recommend BTLOS to anybody looking to order carbon wheels directly from China.
    I ordered that same wheelset but with D-Light spokes and she indicated a weight of 1683 grams. So not too happy to hear 1800 with lasers. Of course that is just 3.5 ounces and probably 1/3 of a water bottle. I imagine those will be pretty bomb proof which is the most important thing. Thanks for sharing pix. Mine shipped today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    I think Carbonfan gives them a run for their money on both website design and prices.
    I guess when you're a reseller that has to compete with the factory there's no option but to outperform them on customer service and website design.

    BTLOS has the edge on Carbonfan in terms of prices. Carbonfan also has no tiered pricing structure, BTLOS is open for negotiation.

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    Got my i29 wheelset in this week. They are pretty nice. With 240 hubs and D-light spokes they are 1702 grams. Mounting NN 2.35 rubber was a real pain but they sealed up well. After one ride, i am pretty happy with them. Very stiff laterally and those hubs with 54T upgrade are awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by XterraMike View Post
    Got my i29 wheelset in this week. They are pretty nice. With 240 hubs and D-light spokes they are 1702 grams. Mounting NN 2.35 rubber was a real pain but they sealed up well. After one ride, i am pretty happy with them. Very stiff laterally and those hubs with 54T upgrade are awesome
    Nice! My Nobby Nics were difficult as well, but went on without too much elbow grease. Glad that BTLOS seems to have worked out for both of us.

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    Can anyone confirm what ratchets BTLOS is using for the DT Swiss rear hub? I emailed them and they are saying the 36T and 54T they use is genuine DT Swiss ratchets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFWY View Post
    Can anyone confirm what ratchets BTLOS is using for the DT Swiss rear hub? I emailed them and they are saying the 36T and 54T they use is genuine DT Swiss ratchets.
    I'm not sure what you are looking at, or where the confusion is, but they are no different then all the other Chinese and North American wheel companies. 18t sais standard and no charge and 36t,54t lists the extra costs.

    You tell them what you want and they will quote you a price. The 18t will obviousily
    cost you less $.

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    There are two types of star ratchets. Genuine DT Swiss ratchets that are proven to last longer and a chinese knock off ratchet that are cheaper and don't last as long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFWY View Post
    There are two types of star ratchets. Genuine DT Swiss ratchets that are proven to last longer and a chinese knock off ratchet that are cheaper and don't last as long.
    BTLOS uses genuine parts. They aren't trying to hoodwink you.
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    Thank you. Going to order a wheelset asap from them for my Smuggler..

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    Has anyone run these on a carbon hard tail? Looking at the M-i30 for my Niner one9 but I'm concerned about getting my teeth rattled out. The frame is quite stiff and known for it's non-compliant nature. Currently the bike has a set of American Classic wheels with 22mm inner width rims (waaay to narrow for me) and I thought about building some of these carbon rims to a pair of DT hubs I already have.

    I usually use stan's rims and thought about building a set of flow's for this bike but I'd like to keep the weight down since I'm going to try my hand at racing single speed for the WV series this year. I like to run at least 2.3 tires but not much wider than 2.6

    Thanks for any info!
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    Has anyone run these on a carbon hard tail? Looking at the M-i30 for my Niner one9 but I'm concerned about getting my teeth rattled out. The frame is quite stiff and known for it's non-compliant nature. Currently the bike has a set of American Classic wheels with 22mm inner width rims (waaay to narrow for me) and I thought about building some of these carbon rims to a pair of DT hubs I already have.

    I usually use stan's rims and thought about building a set of flow's for this bike but I'd like to keep the weight down since I'm going to try my hand at racing single speed for the WV series this year. I like to run at least 2.3 tires but not much wider than 2.6

    Thanks for any info!
    I have M-i29 premium built with 32 CX-Ray spokes, non-boost. Personally, I find them very stiff, maybe too stiff. I would not buy this for a HT. But I don't have experience with other carbon wheels, other than demos. They weigh a few grams more than the spec, I think same as Reserves.
    Cannot tell anything wrong about the quality of components or build. All seems to be top-notch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVV View Post
    I have M-i29 premium built with 32 CX-Ray spokes, non-boost. Personally, I find them very stiff, maybe too stiff. I would not buy this for a HT. But I don't have experience with other carbon wheels, other than demos. They weigh a few grams more than the spec, I think same as Reserves.
    Cannot tell anything wrong about the quality of components or build. All seems to be top-notch.
    I have the M-i29s as well - I'm not complaining about the stiffness since they are on a 5" travel bike. However, they are a burly rim for sure.

    A couple of BTLOS's asymmetric rims are lighter: if lighter = more compliance, then it could be a good way to go.

    For example, the M-i29A rim is an asymmetric i29 rim that weighs 390g for the Premium AM 29er rim, instead of the listed 475g for the M-i29 rim.

    Interestingly, the M-i34A rim is also relatively light - 420g for the Premium AM 29er rim. I don't know if the increased rim width (34mm internal if that isn't obvious) would also make the rim stiffer though.

    Sorry I can't answer your question directly, but maybe this will kick off a conversation that is helpful to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVV View Post
    I have M-i29 premium built with 32 CX-Ray spokes, non-boost. Personally, I find them very stiff, maybe too stiff. I would not buy this for a HT. But I don't have experience with other carbon wheels, other than demos. They weigh a few grams more than the spec, I think same as Reserves.
    Cannot tell anything wrong about the quality of components or build. All seems to be top-notch.
    I'm really happy with my BTLOS wheels as well. My only complaint is that the are getting very visible scratches from the local rocky trails. Amy at BTLOS said they are using dark car polish at BTLOS to keep the rims looking nice. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm sure I will at some point...

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    Quick note - I ordered a set of the i24 Rims laced to DT Swiss 240 Centerlock Hubs, 32/32...they arrived yesterday and first impressions are very positive. Quality looks great, and a total weight of 1430g for the set is pretty descent!
    Will post pics and a review once I've got them mounted up!

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    Those that bought wheels from the US. Have you been hit with an import duty tax?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stom_m3 View Post
    Those that bought wheels from the US. Have you been hit with an import duty tax?
    I'm in Canada, but I should point out that BTLOS marked the valuation on the customs forms...ummm favorably

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiggy View Post
    I'm in Canada, but I should point out that BTLOS marked the valuation on the customs forms...ummm favorably
    I'm in the US and had a similar experience.

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    I just received 2 btlos 27.5 x 65 fat rims. 5 days to get here. No import duty. And the quality is as good as any high priced rims I have ever purchased. I will use them from now on. Amy was a pleasure to deal with.

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    Just received a special order of two front 29er wheels:
    WM-i30 Premium AM rims, DT 350 boost hubs, Sapim D-Light spokes, center lock

    measured weights: 720g (28į) and 726g (32į)

    30 days from order to doorstep here in California, Amy kept us updated.

    They look nice, as true as I can build on my Park stand. Two spare spokes with nipples were included, a small spec tag on each:

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    hope they prove to be as trouble free as our previous LB wheels

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    I'm looking at the M-i29A, Premium, AM rim... I'm not very knowledgable about wheelsets so take it easy on me

    I'm about 240lbs kiitted up (an athletic 240...not cycling athletic, but, like, good at corn hole athletic lol) and doing xc/trail with 2.35 tires. I wouldn't run below 2.25 or above 2.4 I don't think.

    Should I be worried about a rough ride? If so, could I get away with 28h? I can't imagine with my weight that it would be an issue but saw a few people comment about it so I thought I'd ask.

    Any reason to avoid the asym version?

    Thinking about doing staightpull 240s or Tune; thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MXIV424 View Post
    I'm looking at the M-i29A, Premium, AM rim... I'm not very knowledgable about wheelsets so take it easy on me

    I'm about 240lbs kiitted up (an athletic 240...not cycling athletic, but, like, good at corn hole athletic lol) and doing xc/trail with 2.35 tires. I wouldn't run below 2.25 or above 2.4 I don't think.

    Should I be worried about a rough ride? If so, could I get away with 28h? I can't imagine with my weight that it would be an issue but saw a few people comment about it so I thought I'd ask.

    Any reason to avoid the asym version?

    Thinking about doing staightpull 240s or Tune; thoughts?
    I would recommend that you talk to Amy at BTLOS. I weigh 205 and they guided me to the non asymmetric i29 rim. Itís a beefy rim that is going to hold up to bigger riders. Granted, Iím sure they will sell you the lighter rim, but I personally value durability over weight.

    As far as hubs - I really donít think you can go wrong with the DT Swiss 240s, although I would do the star ratchet upgrade. For spokes, I went with traditional J-bend spokes - 32 of Ďem. I havenít worked on wheels with direct pull spokes, but the J-bend spokes are pretty easy to replace if necessary. My perception is that J-bend spokes are also easier to get, but that is an uninformed opinion.

    Iíd really reach out to BTLOS and get their opinion. I do think they run on the conservative side, but they also have a reasonable warranty - particularly on their premium rims. Good luck and let us know what you decide. Iíve been very happy with my BTLOS wheels.

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    I just ordered a WM-I29A wheelset. Took advantage of the 8 percent discount. I went DT swiss 240 rear with 54t ratchet and DT swiss 350 front to save some money. Very excited to get this wheelset!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFWY View Post
    I just ordered a WM-I29A wheelset. Took advantage of the 8 percent discount. I went DT swiss 240 rear with 54t ratchet and DT swiss 350 front to save some money. Very excited to get this wheelset!
    How did you get the 8% discount?

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    It is on the front page of there website. 2/14 is the last day for the discount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jyfly View Post
    How did you get the 8% discount?
    Coupon Code CNY08 for the Chinese New Year. Valid until 2/14.

    One of the nice things about BTLOS is the frequent discounts they offer. 8% seems to happen several times a year. Up to 15% and some "bonus discounts" (free ratchet upgrades, etc.) happen more rarely, but were around last BF.

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    Got it, thanks!

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    Going to pull the trigger on these today based on everyone's reviews and emails with Amy. Why are some going with the non asym? I thought Asym were lighter and stronger? Planning to go Asym i30 for the front and i29 for the rear for my 29er full suspension. I want 2.5 to 2.6 up front but I can only run 2.4 max out back so i29 would be stronger and i dont really need the volume since only running 2.4s out back. Thoughts on this? Why have some ordered asym for non and what about EN to AM? thanks!
    240 lbs geared up, 6'6. riding a XL foxy 160f/150 coil rear. maybe 5 ft drops and like to plow but not alot of rocks here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSparkVB4 View Post
    Going to pull the trigger on these today based on everyone's reviews and emails with Amy. Why are some going with the non asym? I thought Asym were lighter and stronger? Planning to go Asym i30 for the front and i29 for the rear for my 29er full suspension. I want 2.5 to 2.6 up front but I can only run 2.4 max out back so i29 would be stronger and i dont really need the volume since only running 2.4s out back. Thoughts on this? Why have some ordered asym for non and what about EN to AM? thanks!
    240 lbs geared up, 6'6. riding a XL foxy 160f/150 coil rear. maybe 5 ft drops and like to plow but not alot of rocks here.
    I went with the i29 rim because that was what they recommended. While I want lighter wheels, I care more about durability. I asked for their opinion and went with what they recommended.

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    Have you guys received your wheels? I ordered a set on Feb 13th. As far as I can see, the shipping company doesn't have them or they haven't moved from China. I have a blown up Novatec hub on my Hightower. No riding for me until the wheels show up. These don't look like the way to go if you're in a hurry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jyfly View Post
    Have you guys received your wheels? I ordered a set on Feb 13th. As far as I can see, the shipping company doesn't have them or they haven't moved from China. I have a blown up Novatec hub on my Hightower. No riding for me until the wheels show up. These don't look like the way to go if you're in a hurry.
    I have a set ordered as well. I was told 15-20 working days for production. That's a month basically.

    Have you written them to ask if they have shipped? The are very responsive.

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    I have asked if they have shipped. I was told they shipped on March 6th. Shipping was said to be 5-10 days. Tracking is showing origin post is preparing shipment since the 12th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jyfly View Post
    I have asked if they have shipped. I was told they shipped on March 6th. Shipping was said to be 5-10 days. Tracking is showing origin post is preparing shipment since the 12th.
    I know it took me a couple days for the shipment to show on 17track, but I definitely would have expected to be in the US and headed your way by now. I would follow up with BTLOS and see if they can hunt down additional info on the shipment for you. They were very upfront with me when they missed the original shipment date, but when they said the wheels had shipped, they had definitely shipped.

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    I'm going to order an i30 wheelset. I'm undecided on asymmetrical or symmetrical. I'm pretty light (160lbs) and don't hit anything too big. I mostly want the new wheelset for better tire profile. I'm currently on i23's and on 2.4 tires.
    I'm wondering if a 28h asymmetrical is roughly the same strength as a 32h symmetrical.
    These will be on boost.
    Any other considerations?

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    I had ordered a set on feb 13th as well and was told they were gonna be shipped yesterday, so patiently waiting.

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    Just pulled the trigger on a set of WMi30A. Should be a huge upgrade from my i23 stock rims. These new wheels are probably way overbuilt for me but that's fine with me.

    As everyone has said, Amy is very responsive. Now the long wait.

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    I donít have enough tape left to wrap the set of rims that are on order so I need to buy new tape. Iíve always used Stans but thought Iíd try something new. I ordered Kapton tape because I heard it sticks well to carbon rims. Has anyone else tried this tape with BTLOS rims? Itís 19mm so I will be doing two wraps edge to edge

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    Not sure, but Iíll let you know when I eventually receive mine. Been waiting since I ordered them on February 13th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onthefly21 View Post
    Not sure, but Iíll let you know when I eventually receive mine. Been waiting since I ordered them on February 13th.
    Which ones did you order? What does tracking info show?

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    Shows from the tracking that it left the 25th so Iíll see how long it takes. I ordered the WM-i25a set.

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    I ordered my i29a's on Feb 13th. I received them on March 22nd. The tracking info didn't change for awhile. Once they made it into US customs it was two days from there.

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    Ok great thanks for the info! My wheels were prob on the back end of the orders so I guess I had to wait a bit longer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onthefly21 View Post
    Ok great thanks for the info! My wheels were prob on the back end of the orders so I guess I had to wait a bit longer
    Another data point for you- I ordered a set of i29A rims, not complete wheels, on March 8th, got the shipping notice on the 21st, and received them yesterday. Shipped to Florida.

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    First Ride on my BTLOS wheels last night...I didn't realize how flexy my old Stans wheels were until I compared them to my BTLOS wheels!....they felt great!

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    This was my first overseas wheel purchase. So for others wondering about the timeline for delivery here is the complete breakdown.
    Ordered 2019-03-19
    2019-04-04 19:41 CHINA, Acceptance
    2019-04-05 06:13 Xiamen, has left China Post Express Logistics Co., Ltd. Xiamen Mail Processing Center, sent to China Post Express Logistics Co., Ltd. Xiamen International Mail Processing Center
    2019-04-05 07:38 Xiamen, arrive at China Post Express Logistics Co., Ltd. Xiamen International Mail Processing Center Processing Center
    2019-04-05 08:56 CHINA, XIAMEN, Processed Through Facility
    2019-04-05 08:56 Origin Post is Preparing Shipment
    2019-04-06 07:57 CHINA, XIAMEN EMS, Processed Through Facility
    2019-04-06 08:34 Xiamen, leave Xiamen and send to the next destination
    2019-04-06 08:42 Arrive at China Post Express Logistics Co., Ltd. Xiamen International Mail Exchange Station Processing center
    2019-04-09 08:12 LOS ANGELES CA INTERNATIONAL DISTRIBUTION CENTER, Arrived at USPS Regional Destination Facility
    2019-04-09 11:24 United States, arrival processing center, from Xiamen, China
    2019-04-09 11:24 ISC LOS ANGELES CA (USPS), Processed Through Facility
    2019-04-09 11:24 Inbound Into Customs
    2019-04-10 00:58 Inbound Out of Customs
    2019-04-10 00:58 LOS ANGELES CA INTERNATIONAL DISTRIBUTION CENTER, Departed USPS Regional Destination Facility
    2019-04-10 08:03 LOS ANGELES, CA, Arrived at Post Office -> Your item arrived at the Post Office at 8:03 am on April 10, 2019 in LOS ANGELES, CA
    2019-04-10 09:24 LOS ANGELES, CA, Sorting Complete
    2019-04-10 09:34 LOS ANGELES, CA, Out for Delivery
    2019-04-10 13:53 LOS ANGELES, CA, Delivered, -> Your item was delivered at 1:53 pm on April 10, 2019 in LOS ANGELES, CA. The item was signed for by
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    WM-i30A

    I can also report a successful transaction with BTLOS: I ordered 3/23 and the wheels arrived 4/12 (in PNW). Great communication from [email protected] I got the WM-i30A AM Premium layer, with Sapim D-Light and DT Swiss 350.
    Weight is 1750g for the set. Their stickers had it a at 1732g, but my scale may not be right...

    Mounting tubeless is super easy done with a floor pump. And it actually held pressure through the night w/o an sealant at all.
    I only did a test ride, and it is pretty nice. Definitely stiffer, so I need to tune the suspension. The 350 are great (54T), super quiet.

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    For anyone looking at Asymetric rims with internal widths of 30mm that are Enduro worthy, FYI, BTLOS has a new profile that isn't up on their website yet. I just received the very first set, and I think they will quickly become one of their more popular profiles for aggressive riding. Great width, 3mm offset, and a little more shallow than their existing i30 (closer to their i29) should leave it feeling a little more forgiving/compliant. Definitely worth asking about if you are buying and you don't see this profile posted to their site yet.

    I ordered them in 27.5 with EN build and they weigh in at 475g each on my scale. I am very impressed how clean they are constructed, as always. I have totally moved over to buying all my rims in gloss finish from BTLOS because generally they have few to no flaws and look pretty stunning when you can see the carbon fiber shining through.


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    For those who have ordered BTLOS wheels and spec'd out a DTSwiss hub for centerlock rotors.... did the lockrings required to lock the rotor on come with the wheelset? I have the lockring for the rear 12mm rotor as those are standard and come with all rotors but the front 15mm one is a special lockring which i dont have. Dont want to buy it if it comes with the wheelset. Let me know.

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    I got a pair of WM-i25A's last December with centerlock DT240s. No lockrings were included. The Shimano rotors I bought came with 10/12mm lockrings, but I needed to buy the larger 15/20mm size ($12 on Ebay) for the front 15x110 thru axle. I probably could have used one of the smaller rings in back with the 12x148 TA, but the lockrings came as a pair so I used a larger one back there too.

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    Thank you, much appreciated!

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    I donít know if commercial packaging is the same as retail for DT Swiss but the 350 centerlock hub I just got came with a 15mm ta cL adapter. Maybe ask Btlos if they can include them

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    Hey rsatark18,

    Just curious were those shipping updates posted bulk when your rims showed up or were they periodically updated? My status has been stuck at processed thru facility for 6 days now.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbllock55 View Post
    Hey rsatark18,

    Just curious were those shipping updates posted bulk when your rims showed up or were they periodically updated? My status has been stuck at processed thru facility for 6 days now.....
    No they were posted as they happened.

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    Ride report: M-i30A 27.5 built with sapim race spokes and Bitex hubs. Approx 300 miles. Terrain: Everything from rugged Tahoe rock gardens and drops to flowy NW forest. No Moab yet.

    Built round and true easily. Aired up tubeless easily with Minion DHF and both Schwalbe HD and Maxxis DHR. Satisfiying 'pop' when seating.

    Pound through rock gardens well. I have heard many rocks pinging off the rims. Rims show a few minor scratches from rock strikes. No issues going off small hucks and jumps. I have not done anything over a 2-3 feet. I don't feel any flex when cornering hard although I am no expert here either. Wheels have needed NO truing or other maintenence yet.

    Background: Rider of 10 yrs. About 190# geared up. Tahoe is home turf. Ride all yr round but not on my trail bike all year. Previously had Nextie carbon and a bunch of aluminum. Had a Nextie rim de-laminate.

    Conclusion: Happy...so far.
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    Has anybody been in contact with them? My wheels are to be shipped soon but I can't get in contact with them.

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    Last contact I had was a couple of days ago when my wheels shipped out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAIG View Post
    Has anybody been in contact with them? My wheels are to be shipped soon but I can't get in contact with them.
    They may be slow to answer at times. But they are reliable.

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    Interesting thread and slick website for these guy? So reports are good? True to claimed weight? Durability? CS? Warranty?

    Just browsing through here, looks like most people are doing enduro wheel builds. That will be the next project. But currently looking to build lightweight gravel/XC wheels. Any reports on those? Also how are they with custom requests? I'm want their wider XC rims, but laced to road/gravel spacing hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothmoose View Post
    Interesting thread and slick website for these guy? So reports are good? True to claimed weight? Durability? CS? Warranty?

    Just browsing through here, looks like most people are doing enduro wheel builds. That will be the next project. But currently looking to build lightweight gravel/XC wheels. Any reports on those? Also how are they with custom requests? I'm want their wider XC rims, but laced to road/gravel spacing hubs.
    Site is btlos.com. I don't think I have ever seen a bad report from them, although people seem to prefer Light Bicycle or CarbonFan. They (BTLOS) also make XC wheels. Sice I only ordered the rims, don't know about custom builds. Probably nothing done with american parts.

    You can contact them here at [email protected].

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    My experiences with BTLOS have been good. It'll take awhile to get your rims/wheels and there is definitely a dark period of 1-2 weeks during shipment but that is to be expected coming from China. Communication is typically fast and informed.

    First order was a i25a XC wheelset with DT350's. Rims were quality, hubs were genuine, and wheel was well-built with equal tensioned spokes. A year later and it's needed only 1 very minor truing and I've beaten them up on a lot of non XC terrain.

    Second order was i29a enduro rims only and they built up nicely with no complaints.

    I'd use them again.

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    Just got my set of i29A wheels with DT350. Weight was right at what was claimed when I ordered. 15 days from ordering to delivery. Haven't ridden yet due to injury two days before arrival, but everything looks good so far in setting them up. Looking forward to getting out on them in a few more days.

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    I just received my BTLOs wheel set. they are WM-I30 rims, 28 hole, DTSwiss 350 straight pull center lock hubs, with Sapim CX-ray spokes.

    Everything is perfect, no defects, of any kind.

    Front wheel is 758 grams
    Rear wheel is 883 grams

    Total weight is 1641

    Total price to my door was under $800

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    I have the i29 rims with DT 240 hubs and Sapim spokes. Managed to plow into a log on a ride last week at speed and although cracked a rib, the front wheel survived just fine. I got them back in December and still true as day i got them.

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    I just ordered a wheel build on the i25 XC Extralights for a gravel wheelset. They tell me they are out of stock on the Sapim D-light straightpull spokes and offering the Pillars as an alternative. Any thoughts on the Pillar spokes? I don't really want to spend extra on the CX-Rays.

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    I got a set of i25As last year (on DT240s) and also couldn't get the D-Lights. I accepted their offer of Pillar 1420s and have had no issues with the wheels (but, to be fair, have only put a few hundred miles of XC / light trail use on them so far). In a perfect world I would have preferred Sapim just for familiarity and ease of replacement, but wouldn't hesitate to take the same deal again if offered.

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    Looks like I have option to go with either the Pillar XTRA 1420 or DT Competition Race. Which one should I go with? I think the Pillar is aero-bladed and slightly lighter, but DT is known quantity....

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    I went with the Pillar on mine. I have about 400 miles on them so far and everything has been fine. Over 100 miles was down in Moab last week. Still perfectly true. These are i29A rims DT Swiss 350 hubs.

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    Hello,
    I can't see this rim on their website.
    Are they still available ?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by choan View Post
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    I can't see this rim on their website.
    Are they still available ?

    thanks
    Which rim are you referring to?

    I am assuming you mean the one I have posted?

    Write them directly. Send that thumbnail and ask for it directly. In my opinion, it is their best hard riding rim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjw View Post
    Which rim are you referring to?

    I am assuming you mean the one I have posted?

    Write them directly. Send that thumbnail and ask for it directly. In my opinion, it is their best hard riding rim.
    Quote Originally Posted by mjw View Post
    Which rim are you referring to?

    I am assuming you mean the one I have posted?

    Write them directly. Send that thumbnail and ask for it directly. In my opinion, it is their best hard riding rim.
    Oups I messed up my quote!
    Yes I was referring to your post.

    Its weird than 6 month later they don't have it listed no?

    I like the measurements of this rim the best, I will ask them thanks.

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    I have purchased a set of premium DH wm-i34 rims for my bike a year ago. They laced up really easy, used dt swiss competition spokes with brass nips onto king hubs. They have been trouble free and the only damage are scratches from rocks and such. This pair has since been on my banshee rune and then onto my bronson v3. BTLOS showed amazing customer service when I needed help choosing the correct rim model for my riding and in lacing specs such as spoke tension. I run cushcore on them to have a stiffer tire sidewall, I cased countless amounts of jumps and a fair share of crashes and bails. These rims have been amazing all the way through.

    I was so happy about my purchase that I have decided to order a wheelset for my Chameleon as well.
    Ordered the 29er wm-i30A, with sapim d light spokes, brass nips, and dt 350 hubs. I cannot wait for these to arrive!

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    Ordered a pair of wheels based on the good feedback here but they seem lost in transit for now. According to the tracking, they left China on Oct 30th but no update since. I contacted BTLOS about it. Will update here on how it gets resolved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadath View Post
    Ordered a pair of wheels based on the good feedback here but they seem lost in transit for now. According to the tracking, they left China on Oct 30th but no update since. I contacted BTLOS about it. Will update here on how it gets resolved.
    That's only 2 weeks. They are coming from China, and going through customs no doubt, which the seller has zero control over. I've had packages delayed in customs for 1-2 weeks alone. I think you need to have a little more patience.
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    Yes but when the package is in customs, it usually shows in the tracking info, no? It would at least show that it arrived in the country in my experience. Anyway, of course I'm gonna wait some more, there's not much else I can do. I was just curious to see what BTLOS can do on their side and I'd also like to know what their policy is in case of a lost shipment. Fortunately I paid through Paypal, hopefully this provides some form of protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadath View Post
    Yes but when the package is in customs, it usually shows in the tracking info, no? It would at least show that it arrived in the country in my experience. Anyway, of course I'm gonna wait some more, there's not much else I can do. I was just curious to see what BTLOS can do on their side and I'd also like to know what their policy is in case of a lost shipment. Fortunately I paid through Paypal, hopefully this provides some form of protection.
    Not necessarily, no. Plenty of times, pending the shipping method, you lose visibility when the package crossed boarders. We get plenty of packages even from the US that aren't traceable once they leave the US, i.e. when they enter customs. It can be totally normal. I received a package last week from e13 where this was the case. And one from Transition maybe a week before where the same was the case.

    A lot of shipments from over seas may also be delivered by a completely different courier than originally shipped with. Also very normal.

    Like I said. Just be patient, they will arrive I'm sure.
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    I recently purchased a set of 105mm single wall fat rims from btlos. Took a little while to get through customs.

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    Outstanding answer from Amy:
    We are sorry to hear that. We double-checked with EMS. The parcel is currently in Germany, the next stop is Canada, and you will probably receive the parcel within a week.

    All of our North American customers receive parcels in almost 7 to 10 days.
    EMS told me that the reason for the delay was due to the contraband on the flight, which caused delays in all packages on the flight. The parcel is currently being transferred to Canada in Germany. We have urged EMS to process the parcel as soon as possible.

    I am very sorry to let you wait for so long. We usually track the customer's package, and until they receive a satisfactory package. sorry, my bad! I am too busy recently, I did not help you to track the package in time. If you still have not received the package within 15 days, We will reschedule the new wheelset to you and send the fastest shipping, Does it work for you?

    We will keep tracking the shipping status, and try our best to resolve the problems that caused this unexpected issue. Please let us know if you have any questions or concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senorbanana View Post
    I have purchased a set of premium DH wm-i34 rims for my bike a year ago. They laced up really easy, used dt swiss competition spokes with brass nips onto king hubs. They have been trouble free and the only damage are scratches from rocks and such. This pair has since been on my banshee rune and then onto my bronson v3. BTLOS showed amazing customer service when I needed help choosing the correct rim model for my riding and in lacing specs such as spoke tension. I run cushcore on them to have a stiffer tire sidewall, I cased countless amounts of jumps and a fair share of crashes and bails. These rims have been amazing all the way through.

    I was so happy about my purchase that I have decided to order a wheelset for my Chameleon as well.
    Ordered the 29er wm-i30A, with sapim d light spokes, brass nips, and dt 350 hubs. I cannot wait for these to arrive!

    Checking back to see if you received your i30A wheels?
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    Yep I got them a week and a half after shipment. Quite fast shipping. I chose the stealth color way in gloss letters on matte is laced to 350 hubs. They are perfect!

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    So finally got my wheels. Quite happy with them, they come in at 1552 g and the estimate IIRC on the website was 1550 g.
    I had requested spare spokes so they threw 3 in for free.
    I chose the 3K sating finish and I think it looks great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadath View Post
    So finally got my wheels. Quite happy with them, they come in at 1552 g and the estimate IIRC on the website was 1550 g.
    I had requested spare spokes so they threw 3 in for free.
    I chose the 3K sating finish and I think it looks great.
    As expected! BTLOS is solid. Just a little patience needed for the shipping.

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    Just pulled the trigger yesterday on a set of i29A rims laced to DT 240 hubs with Sapim D-Lights for my SB150. Just over $800 to my door with BF discounts. I have a 54T ratchet in my current 350 hubs on the stock wheelset to transfer to these, so 240s were a logical choice.

    Should be around 400g dropped from my stock setup, looking forward to the improvement! Also looking at lighter tire combos to drop a bit more rotating weight overall.

    Hoping theyíll be delivered before Xmas. Will post pics when I receive them- requested that they match decals to Yeti turquoise, weíll see how close they get!



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    Has anyone ordered these wheels with J-bend over the straight pull spokes? They seem to recommend them for obvious reasons on their site, but straights are lighter and look better imo. They also have the Microspline driver option in both the 240, 350 and Hope hubs they carry. Looking at the i30A rim built up soon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker View Post
    Has anyone ordered these wheels with J-bend over the straight pull spokes? They seem to recommend them for obvious reasons on their site, but straights are lighter and look better imo. They also have the Microspline driver option in both the 240, 350 and Hope hubs they carry. Looking at the i30A rim built up soon!
    My set is J-bend. I should receive them in the next day or so, I can update here.
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    I got my wheels about 12 days after payment, They look awesome and the dt swiss hubs roll great. Tubeless was sealed with a floor pump and quality is perfect!

    m-i30a 350 hubs, jbend sapim dlight brass nipples

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    Quote Originally Posted by senorbanana View Post
    I got my wheels about 12 days after payment, They look awesome and the dt swiss hubs roll great. Tubeless was sealed with a floor pump and quality is perfect!

    m-i30a 350 hubs, jbend sapim dlight brass nipples
    Nice- got mine configured similarly, just i29 asymmetric rims and DT 240 hubs.

    Mine came a day earlier than expected, just shy of 3 weeks from order to delivery.




    Will install them this weekend, but carbon quality/finishing and build quality seem excellent at first glance.

    Ride report to follow!


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    Quote Originally Posted by senorbanana View Post
    I got my wheels about 12 days after payment, They look awesome and the dt swiss hubs roll great. Tubeless was sealed with a floor pump and quality is perfect!

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    Did you happen to get a weight on those? 1800ish?

    I have some of their new profile i30a rims on order and some 350s in a drawer. Will likely use d-lites and brass as well.

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    I remember seeing the wheels on the scale and they were a few grams less than the claimed on the website when I configured it. dont recall the actual numbers tho.

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    I have had 10 rides on mine. I got the 30i, 32H, with Onyx Vespers. They are flawless. This is my first 29er after 25 years on 26er's. The wider tires/rims rolls over obstacles that I would have to dodge otherwise. I was pleasantly surprised that the price of the Onyx were equal to the CK. I have 3 sets of CK for my family's bikes but I'm never buying anything but the Onyx sprag hubs ever again. I used to like the angry bees but maybe I was showing off that I had CK's but now I feel annoyed about the noise after being on the Onyx. I have seen the one negative about them on MTBR but unless you are putting massive amount of torque I doubt you'll notice anything. They have an immediate engagement that is smooth for me. I'm a recreational rider.

    The communication with BTLOS was excellent. The price for my wheels were much better than LB (I have LB on my 26er).
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    Got mine on the bike and went for a super quick spin around the neighborhood just to make sure everything was spinning well.

    No real verdict on feel till I get them on the trail this weekend.

    They look rad though!!





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    BTLOS Carbon Rims - New (well priced) Chinese Mfg and Retail Option

    For all the folks that have bought BTLOS rims and wheels, how is the ride quality? Too stiff or compliant enough? Anyone had more expensive carbon rims from the $$ guys like Enve or Reynolds or the $ guys like Santa Cruz, Derby, Nobel or Nox to compare?


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    I've been using my i29 BTLOS rims for a little over a year now, so I thought it was worthwhile to post a follow-up review. First, I'd guess I've put about 600-700 miles on them this season - most of those miles are on technical, rocky trails. I'm running about 210 pounds right now, so these wheels have seen a decent amount of abuse, even if I am not doing much in the means of drops/jumps. So far I have had zero problems with my BTLOS rims - they are still spinning perfectly true on my truing stand, even though I have had a rash of tire punctures in the past few months. I really couldn't be happier. I've cleaned/greased the DT Swiss star ratchets a couple times, swapped tires and replaced sealant and that's been the extent of the maintenance I've done.

    I wish I could comment more on the ride quality of the rims, but I really don't have a good point of reference to do a comparison. I've used lots of aluminum rims in the past, and these definitely feel stiffer than those rims. I don't know if they are too stiff or not - I'm not sure I have the skills to be able to assess that. I'll just let my review stand that I am very satisfied with the durability of the wheelset.

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    Thanks for the review.

    I'm contemplating BTLOS i24A rims on 240 hubs as a lightweight XC wheelset. My only concern is breaking a rim when I am far from anything and having a long hike. Has anyone broken a BTLOS rim while riding? Are they as durable as other carbon wheels out there? Do they make rims for any other brands?

    For reference, I broke a Santa Cruz Reserve 30 rim on my Bronson last month. Luckily it was right at the end of the ride and my buddy went and got the car. No big deal. Santa Cruz took great care of me on the warranty and I had a brand new wheel in my hand a few days later.

    I know part of the deal with affordable BTLOS rims is that you're not paying for the warranty upfront. I'm fine with that, I just don't want to get stranded.
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    Got mine out for a ride a couple days ago. Pretty mild trail, but a handful or tech/rocky sections and g-outs to feel out the new setup.

    Overall, the weight savings (between wheels and tires) is really noticeable. Spun up to speed much quicker and less perceived effort on climbs. Set a couple climbing PRs on Strava on a route Iíve done MANY times.

    That said, they are stiff. Stopped mid-ride to drop air pressure, and will need to tweak my suspension over the next few rides to compensate. Felt it most in fast sections with small choppy terrain (e.g. baseball sized rocks).

    Will ride more next weekend (rain all week here ) and report back with anything notable. Still very happy with the purchase, as the quality to price ratio appears to be excellent.




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    BTLOS I30 dt350 32h 29ers. Ordered on 12-02, recíd 01-08. Not bad considering Christmas/New Year shipping woes. Maxxis Icons are interim tires as Iím waiting on some 2.6 rubber. BTLOS was good to deal with, always returned emails. Mine is not a weight weenie build. Ended up with a 29.5lb hardtail. Fox36 and NX did not help matters.
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    BTLOS Carbon Rims - New (well priced) Chinese Mfg and Retail Option

    Built up some 28h Btlos i30a rims to dt350s using d-lites and brass nips.

    These are the newer 26mm depth profile, not 28mm as pictured on their site

    With the Enduro layup the build came to 1814gr. The rims were 496 and 501gr. Built up super easy.






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    Anyone have any good photos of the 3K Matte finish? I'm thinking about pulling the trigger during the Chinese New Year sale. It seems the most popular by far is the UD. @DETarch, yours appear to be 3K Gloss, correct? What are your thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by areeves08 View Post
    Anyone have any good photos of the 3K Matte finish? I'm thinking about pulling the trigger during the Chinese New Year sale. It seems the most popular by far is the UD. @DETarch, yours appear to be 3K Gloss, correct? What are your thoughts?
    Yeah, mine are 3k gloss with no logos. Iím really happy with the choice- Iíve had a few sets of matte carbon wheels on previous bikes and just wanted to switch it up. Plus my bikeís paint is gloss and I think it compliments it well. Easy to clean too.


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    Well, I pulled the trigger and ordered a set of M-i34A Premium with Hope Pro 4 & D-Light spokes. When comparing weights, The M-i30A were listed at 445g for Premium and the M-i34A at 420g. I'm keen on the WT style tires, so 34mm seemed like a good option while still being light. Let's see if the Coronavirus slows production down at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by areeves08 View Post
    Well, I pulled the trigger and ordered a set of M-i34A Premium with Hope Pro 4 & D-Light spokes. When comparing weights, The M-i30A were listed at 445g for Premium and the M-i34A at 420g. I'm keen on the WT style tires, so 34mm seemed like a good option while still being light. Let's see if the Coronavirus slows production down at all.
    Good width for high volume tires like 2.35 Bontragers. You can go to 2.5-2.6.
    Hope rear hub makes noise.
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    Just got an email from Amy that the Hope Pro 4 isnít available with a Microspline Free hub body, even though it was listed as an option. Dealbreaker for me. Weíll see if they can make something happen.

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    How long do you have to wait for an e-mail reply from BTLOS?
    I wanted to ask about a few things before ordering but I have no answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slavi View Post
    How long do you have to wait for an e-mail reply from BTLOS?
    I wanted to ask about a few things before ordering but I have no answer.
    I had a great ordering experience and they were forthcoming when answering questions, but don't have any rides on my wheels yet. She always replied to my emails at about 530am Eastern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slavi View Post
    How long do you have to wait for an e-mail reply from BTLOS?
    I wanted to ask about a few things before ordering but I have no answer.
    When did you e-mail them? My experience was that if I e-mailed them during normal business hours (Chinese time) that I got responses quickly (10-15 minutes and faster). If it was outside of their hours, it varied more - worst case was that I would have a response the next morning. I can't remember if I asked questions or received responses over the weekend. In my experience their customer service was fantastic.

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    On Saturday around noon UTC. Maybe this is just the weekend @queue. We will see.

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    They have been closed for 2 weeks due to the Chinese New Year. I would imagine that they are backed up on responding to emails. You might try the live chat to see if you can get answers to your questions.
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    Has anyone ordered a BTLOS wheelset lately? How long did it take to get your order?

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    I haven't ordered lately, but I am really happy with the set I ordered. I got the i30a rims and they have taken some good hits including a square edged rock that pinch flatted my dhr2 exo+ with no rim damage. I even went with the lighter trail layup instead of Enduro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manpurse View Post
    Has anyone ordered a BTLOS wheelset lately? How long did it take to get your order?
    I ordered a rim on 2/2 during their Chinese New Year. I knew going in that it would take longer to ship because of the holiday. Then to make matters worse the Corona virus hit and their government delayed them going back to work. With all the orders they received during the holiday special it took them a while to get it shipped. It finally shipped on 3/10 but unfortunately with the Corona virus mucking things up it finally departed the country today 3/15. With the way things went with the last order it will take about 3-5 business days once it hits the states before I get it.
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    thats not bad, I ordered a tallboy frame which was in stock in Santa Cruz and it took 6 weeks for them to send me the wrong color

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    ordered a set of gravel wheels on 2/24 and they have not shipped yet. they did email with some questions because certain items were out of stock and they wanted to know if they could substitute, so at least there were signs of activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huckleberry hound View Post
    I ordered a rim on 2/2 during their Chinese New Year. I knew going in that it would take longer to ship because of the holiday. Then to make matters worse the Corona virus hit and their government delayed them going back to work. With all the orders they received during the holiday special it took them a while to get it shipped. It finally shipped on 3/10 but unfortunately with the Corona virus mucking things up it finally departed the country today 3/15. With the way things went with the last order it will take about 3-5 business days once it hits the states before I get it.
    I finally received it today 3/23. It took a while from the time it left China before it finally arrived here in the US. Some Googling said that Chinese air freight typically takes 8-10 days.
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    Any recent experience with BTLOS Gravel or Road wheels? I'm looking at building a WGX40 that are i22 for a 36mm road tire on my gravel bike. I can't seem to find a better value build at 1565g w/ DT350 for $747.

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    I ordered on 3/3 (three weeks ago) knowing there would probably be a delay. A few days after that they sent a confirmation email and then I assume started the build. Today I got an email from them saying their main shipping channel is currently suspended or greatly delayed because of the virus. They offered a full refund or asked if I would partially pay for a shipping upgrade through DHL. I paid the extra $80 and they ate the rest of the cost (they said it's $100), it's a hassle but I know the shipping time will be much quicker now.

    No experience with gravel or road wheels but I agree that BTLOS is a good value, after all the shopping around I did they were the best price. They don't have the best warranty but if I happen to break a rim they offer a generous crash replacement for the first two years and I can get the wheel rebuilt for less than $150.

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    Only really "looking" at carbon wheels again. (itching to buy now!!!, but hard to talk myself into to spending the money considering all the recession talk) Also, I was worried about paying for something and then getting all kinds of delays due to the virus/having the wheels stuck during shipping or something. So good to hear BTLOS was good about communicating/working things out.

    I saw an ad for Roost wheels and contacted them to see if they had any product in the US. But they are saying 2-3 week lead time shipped from China, though I wonder how accurate that is cause I think 2-3 weeks sounds like a "pre-virus" kind of timeline? Pricing wasn't "that much" more than BTLOS. (still if your ordering from china anyway and the warranty isn't great then...?)

    What's up with how many service charges Light Bicycle adds on to their prices?? Seems pretty reasonable when you start filling out the order form, before you know it your like 5 hundred bucks higher...? But their newest rim seems like it's about perfect and the 32IW seems like something I'd like. (rather than all the way to 35IW like Ibis)

    Anyway, the other cool thing with BTLOs is at least "today/as of this moment" their rim prices are very reasonable/half LB even without the 25% crash replacement which is pretty cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by manpurse View Post
    I ordered on 3/3 (three weeks ago) knowing there would probably be a delay. A few days after that they sent a confirmation email and then I assume started the build. Today I got an email from them saying their main shipping channel is currently suspended or greatly delayed because of the virus. They offered a full refund or asked if I would partially pay for a shipping upgrade through DHL. I paid the extra $80 and they ate the rest of the cost (they said it's $100), it's a hassle but I know the shipping time will be much quicker now.

    No experience with gravel or road wheels but I agree that BTLOS is a good value, after all the shopping around I did they were the best price. They don't have the best warranty but if I happen to break a rim they offer a generous crash replacement for the first two years and I can get the wheel rebuilt for less than $150.
    I have a pending order from BTLOS and got the same message about needing to pay an extra $80 due to shipping rate increases (which I paid). I still haven't received a shipping notification nor tracking number despite pinging them about it. I've been patient because I know things are weird right now, but I have been hearing "your wheels will ship within a week" for at least a month. Not crazy about that.

    I am not trying to say the service is bad, but if you're going to be placing an order with them (or probably most China based suppliers), expect shipping and delivery to be disrupted. Interestingly though, we deal with several China based suppliers at work and have not seen too much delay with them.

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    FWIW, I ordered from Nextie on ebay about a month ago. They had a few delays as well (partially my fault - when I asked them to make a change to the order). I let them know multiple times that I was not in a rush and understood the circumstances they may be facing. By the time they were ready to ship they also ran into a shipping issue via their normal channels as well. They upgraded my shipping to fedex for free (I'm not sure if I'm a unique case in this regard). They were very good at communicating whenever I asked for an update.

    I'll probably try BTLOS or light bicycle next - I like trying different things.

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    Do you guys think it's smart to be ordering anything direct from China these days? (Virus in a box etc).
    I have 2 sets of nextie very happy with them.

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    I worry about anything that comes in the mail right now. I assume anything that comes from outside the home could have come in contact with the virus (I've received things from NY and Chicago during the pandemic as well). I treat everything as if it needs to be quarantined/disinfected before use regardless of origin...

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    Just to give a little bit more positive experience:
    I ordered from BTLOS at the beginning of the corona crisis. They were transparent and told me that the usual delivery routes can be delayed. I choose the carrier option which was 40Ä more than the regular shipping rate but comes with precustoms service. Lead time was around 5 weeks.

    Iīm absolutely stunned by the build quality. I chose a DT240 with 32h CX-Ray and the new 30mm Enduro rim. Iīm weighing 95kg and next time I guess I will choose 28h in the front to give a little bit more compliance. The wheels ride like a charm, but you notice that they need a little bit of speed to feel their advantages. At slow speed they feel a little bit stiff over roots and stuff. But as soon as you accelerate they have kind of a damping effect and they hold much more speed than my previous DT EX511 build.

    For this price I can totally recommend. Also the communication and service were excellent. Only dissapointment was the installation of the tubeless tape... Not really done good, so I had to strip it apart and install a new one myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizango View Post
    I have a pending order from BTLOS and got the same message about needing to pay an extra $80 due to shipping rate increases (which I paid). I still haven't received a shipping notification nor tracking number despite pinging them about it. I've been patient because I know things are weird right now, but I have been hearing "your wheels will ship within a week" for at least a month. Not crazy about that.

    I am not trying to say the service is bad, but if you're going to be placing an order with them (or probably most China based suppliers), expect shipping and delivery to be disrupted. Interestingly though, we deal with several China based suppliers at work and have not seen too much delay with them.
    I got my shipping notification and tracking number today. Looking forward to finally being able to finish off my new Hakka!

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    I was given my tracking number via DHL but the status has only said ďshipping info receivedĒ since March 26. Now that itís been ten days Iím not sure if theyíve even actually shipped it yet which Iíd be disappointed in after paying the extra $80 for shipping.

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    sounds like some of the other chinese carbon companies are having the same shipping issues
    Foe example EIE

    speaking of which:
    I posted this in the cheap chinese thread as well

    Anyone want to give their thoughts on BTLOS vs EIE?
    right now price is quite similar and weights within a 100 grams or so with the EIE lighter but they rate at max rider wt of 130 vs the premium BTLOS at 180kg BTLOS rim is a slightly deeper section
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    thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel O. View Post
    I worry about anything that comes in the mail right now. I assume anything that comes from outside the home could have come in contact with the virus (I've received things from NY and Chicago during the pandemic as well). I treat everything as if it needs to be quarantined/disinfected before use regardless of origin...
    I would order stuff from China before I would from USA.

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    I now own 2 sets of btlos wheels, one of which are over a year old of pretty hard riding. I run a set of 27.5 I34 premium DH and a set of 29 I34A premium. Zero issues and I would definitely buy more. Here is one of my bikes and a short clip of riding.BTLOS Carbon Rims - New (well priced) Chinese Mfg and Retail Option-bronsonchronme.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by threepin View Post
    sounds like some of the other chinese carbon companies are having the same shipping issues
    Foe example EIE

    speaking of which:
    I posted this in the cheap chinese thread as well

    Anyone want to give their thoughts on BTLOS vs EIE?
    right now price is quite similar and weights within a 100 grams or so with the EIE lighter but they rate at max rider wt of 130 vs the premium BTLOS at 180kg BTLOS rim is a slightly deeper section
    Btlos
    https://btlos.com/mountain-bike/asym...plus-bike-rims
    EIE
    https://www.eiecarbon.com/a29c39d25-...rbon-rims.html
    thoughts?
    I just built up a set of the BTLOS i39a rims with my Hope hubs for my Stache. The reason I chose BTLOS is because of the increased max rider weight since I am a Clyde at about 260# with my 3 liter hydration pack.

    I actually did this in two separate orders. I did the rear wheel first to replace the Duroc 50 which had split at the spoke holes for the second time at around Thanksgiving of last year. I placed the order the Sunday after Thanksgiving and received the rim on Christmas Eve. The actual weight of the 29er rim, standard series is 520g. I was very pleased the the quality of it and the service I received from Amy.

    Then my front Duroc did the same thing so I ordered another BTLOS rim to replace it on 2-2-20. This was during the Chinese New Year holiday so I knew there would be a delay. And the the Corona virus hit there and delayed things further. I finally received it on 3-23-20. This one did't look quite the same but was still well done, however the Q.C. card attached to it said it weighed 687g or it could be 487g, their writing isn't the best. I didn't weigh it. Appearance wise the first one I would give an A+ the second one I would give an A-. I'm sure that the virus situation there has played a role in the differences. Once again Amy was always prompt with responses to my inquiries.

    The extra weight doesn't bother me as I'm more concerned about strength than weight. I'm happy with my purchases and would do it again but knowing what I do now I would wait until everything gets back to somewhat normal in both countries to order if it was possible to wait.
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    I actually have a set of BTLOS wheel i got this summer, 27Internal rims, 240s, cx ray and they have been great

    Amy replied that they could do a lighter build than the premium as i don't need the strength of a 180 kg build

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    waiting for shipment ... in tracking there still unchanged info from many days.

    2020-03-26 06:15| Germany |Order Processed: Ready for UPS

    looks like parcel stuck there due to covid

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    Quote Originally Posted by slavi View Post
    waiting for shipment ... in tracking there still unchanged info from many days.

    2020-03-26 06:15| Germany |Order Processed: Ready for UPS

    looks like parcel stuck there due to covid
    I wouldnīt say that. Usually it takes up to two weeks till this status changes. But afterwards delivery follows really quickly. Did happen to me as well. Also beeing from germany.

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    Anyone have a BTLOS coupon code not being used?


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    Finally arrived ... almost month in transit. Looks good

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    Hey guys,

    I'm curious as to what most people go with, the Standard vs Premium layup? It almost seems that the majority of people go with Premium rims, but maybe that's just my perception from this thread.

    I am getting ready to place an order for a wheelset on Btlos. I have a hardtail (2019 Kona Big Honzo).

    I'm leaning towards the Standard series rim to keep my budget a little bit lower, and I also don't want too much vertical stiffness where it would result in a harsh ride. I'm thinking I might get more vertical compliance with Standard, which should work well with my hardtail.

    Have people had good luck with the Standard rims? Is there a large perceivable difference in quality between the Standard vs. Premium? Any horror or success stories with quality, strength, and durability with the Standard series?

    Any experiences that people could share dealing specifically with the Standard rims would be welcome and helpful.

    Thanks!

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    I have only done the premium, so i can't speak to the differences. However, i would imagine the depth of the rim would make a difference as well and that it could even outweigh the effect of the mix of fibers.

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    Thanks for the Reply ThreePin. I plan to choose the i34 Asym, which is the more shallow rim depth, for that exact reason.

    Budget has a bit to do with this decision too, so I was just curious of what people thought of the Standard specifically, and how they have been working out for folks.

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    My rims also arrived, it took 42 days from order to my doorstep plus an $80 upgrade in shipping. Pretty slow but I suppose the virus shutdown got in the way, the package was apparently sitting at DHL for a while.

    Rims and build quality look good at a fraction of the price of name brand hoops (Santa Cruz, Enve, etc). I figure if I brake a rim two or three times I'll still come out ahead in cost over other brands with a lifetime warranty. I went with the standard rims in 29mm width but I haven't had a chance to try them yet until I'm done building up my frame.

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    Yeah, they told me the same thing about shipping. Needed to pay for the difference for FedEx because EMS is Closed. I almost want to wait to see if its cheaper when they reopen EMS so they can ship regularly.

    Glad to hear you are happy with the quality (looks-wise) of the Standard rims, thanks for the response. Im excited to hear how you like them once you get riding on them.

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    Well, I cracked my 30i am premium rear rim. I'm not sure what did it, I didn't have any hard impacts on the ride today. The wheels are 4 months old. We'll see how they handle it.BTLOS Carbon Rims - New (well priced) Chinese Mfg and Retail Option-20200419_102801.jpg

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    Damn, I'm sorry to hear that, Rain. That's a bummer.
    I'll be keeping and eye out for a follow-up from you on how they handle it. I'm sure many people would be interested to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rain164845 View Post
    Well, I cracked my 30i am premium rear rim. I'm not sure what did it, I didn't have any hard impacts on the ride today. The wheels are 4 months old. We'll see how they handle it.Click image for larger version. 

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    I will say that I have had a hard impact on the wheel before and couldn't detect damage. Pinch flatted a exo+ dhr2. That was a month ago with several hard rides since.

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    More picsBTLOS Carbon Rims - New (well priced) Chinese Mfg and Retail Option-20200419_172459.jpgBTLOS Carbon Rims - New (well priced) Chinese Mfg and Retail Option-20200419_172453.jpgBTLOS Carbon Rims - New (well priced) Chinese Mfg and Retail Option-20200419_172447.jpgBTLOS Carbon Rims - New (well priced) Chinese Mfg and Retail Option-20200419_172436.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by rain164845 View Post
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    definitely looks like impact damage, I have been running cushcore on my 2 sets of wheels. I use cushcore pro on my i34 and xc on my i30a. Provides impact protection so no pinch flats, sidewalk support and lower tire pressure. I hope btlos helps square you away with a replacement

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    Quote Originally Posted by senorbanana View Post
    definitely looks like impact damage, I have been running cushcore on my 2 sets of wheels. I use cushcore pro on my i34 and xc on my i30a. Provides impact protection so no pinch flats, sidewalk support and lower tire pressure. I hope btlos helps square you away with a replacement
    Yep, very well could be impact related. We'll see what they say!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rain164845 View Post
    Yep, very well could be impact related. We'll see what they say!

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    Don't want to be the one that saying this, but what you pay is what you get - cheap Chinese quality...

    Hope they'll help you out.

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    On the fence with ordering these but am pretty much in an F anything from China mode right now. Might have to bite the bullet and buy some rims from We Are One, though much more expensive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rain164845 View Post
    Well, I cracked my 30i am premium rear rim. I'm not sure what did it, I didn't have any hard impacts on the ride today. The wheels are 4 months old. We'll see how they handle it.Click image for larger version. 

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    Probably happened on a previous ride. I've cracked 2 rims, both my fault. Given the number of rims and time span, I would have definitely trashed more aluminum rims from the big hits where the carbon don't taco, but on the last one I noticed it right before an enduro race, where I was riding a jump line. Luckily was able to get home and put my replacement in. When I thought back to it, I was pretty certain I did it on a drop that leads to a loaded g-out on a rock. I wasn't using enough pressure. That's a classic over-stress (from a sharp impact) fracture right there, starting from the edge of the rim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy-Runs View Post
    Don't want to be the one that saying this, but what you pay is what you get - cheap Chinese quality...

    Hope they'll help you out.
    Explain to me specifically how the quality on these is worse than something like Envy, NOS, Reserve, etc. A review in the last few years sawed apart these and "name brand" rims and found less voids in the Chinese ones.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    HAHAHA enve and name brand rims break all the time when the carbon get compromised. My btlos rims had smoother spoke holes than American made carbon rims I have worked on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Explain to me specifically how the quality on these is worse than something like Envy, NOS, Reserve, etc. A review in the last few years sawed apart these and "name brand" rims and found less voids in the Chinese ones.
    Totally agree with this. I am curious to see how BTLOS handles the failed rim, but I have no reason to think that these BTLOS rims are any lesser quality than the main US brands. Wouldn't be surprised if some of the US brand rims were made in the BTLOS factory...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Explain to me specifically how the quality on these is worse than something like Envy, NOS, Reserve, etc. A review in the last few years sawed apart these and "name brand" rims and found less voids in the Chinese ones.
    Every carbon rim can or will brake in one point, but American, Canadian or European companies having higher QC and service over Chinese companies. And these days i prefer supporting them over Chinese companies.

    Can you show me please review that compared these rims with "name brand" rims like Enve, Santa Cruz, DT Swiss and so ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mthopton View Post
    On the fence with ordering these but am pretty much in an F anything from China mode right now. Might have to bite the bullet and buy some rims from We Are One, though much more expensive.


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    same here and kinda relieved i went with WAO... expecting my wheels by this week.
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    yeah sure, here is the amazing American enve QC https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review...-wheelset.html
    and some American trek
    https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/co...eelset-review/
    some dt swiss
    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review...-wheelset.html

    it happens with every rim, and it does not seem as if "real companies" have better QC

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    Quote Originally Posted by senorbanana View Post
    yeah sure, here is the amazing American enve QC https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review...-wheelset.html
    and some American trek
    https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/co...eelset-review/
    some dt swiss
    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review...-wheelset.html

    it happens with every rim, and it does not seem as if "real companies" have better QC
    I know these reviews, but thats not what i was asking.
    Im looking for review that compared these BTLOS rims, with "name brand" rims...

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