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    2.6 Specialized Tires?

    Will be run on 35id rims and an Ibis Mojo HD3. I don't think I want to go plus with 160/150mm travel.

    I ride mainly in New England where its almost always "moist" dirt with rocks and roots.

    On my 29er, I used to run Specialized Purgatory/Ground Control which i liked. Rolled well and were grippy enough, but when I picked up a second set of wheels I opted for more aggressive Hans Dampf and dedicated XC tires.

    Can anyone comment on Spesh 2.6 tires? Looking at the Butcher up front and Ground Control or Purgatory our back.

    Or should I just skip these and go Minion DHF/DHR??

    And can I go with a smaller knob tire (Say a Slaughter) since I am running more tire volume? Or will the loose dirt in NE just gunk it up?

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    The Purgatory and the Butcher use is different casing. They are both marked 2.6 but the butcher is smaller. The 2.6 butcher is roughly the same size and the DHF 2.5. The new gription compound seems to do quite well though. they "feel" a whole lot faster than the Maxxis tires but I have zero data to back it up a bit more pingy though. Plus I thing the sidewalls are not nearly as stiff as Maxxis. All good tires just know that if you are buying the butcher or hillbilly to have a "real" 2.6 you will be sad. However if you want a good 2.4 that is marked 2.6 they are great tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    The Purgatory and the Butcher use is different casing. They are both marked 2.6 but the butcher is smaller. The 2.6 butcher is roughly the same size and the DHF 2.5. The new gription compound seems to do quite well though. they "feel" a whole lot faster than the Maxxis tires but I have zero data to back it up a bit more pingy though. Plus I thing the sidewalls are not nearly as stiff as Maxxis. All good tires just know that if you are buying the butcher or hillbilly to have a "real" 2.6 you will be sad. However if you want a good 2.4 that is marked 2.6 they are great tires.
    Thanks, I should have searched before posting as I found some older threads beyond page 1.....saw they are measuring quite below 2.6. I don't want to be Sad that's for sure. Their 2.3 tires were more like 2.1 also. Seems they have not addressed it.

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    I'm running a DHF 2.6 on my enduro-style bike and it's a great tire up front. Faster rolling, lighter, more true to size in the 2.6 than the 2.5 was.

    In the back i'd check out the Forekaster if you want to stay Maxxis and go fast-rolling but good grip.

    I'm running a WTB Breakout 2.5 fast/tough in the back and it's an excellent back tire, very fast rolling...you'd never know it was 1050g.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porch View Post
    I'm running a DHF 2.6 on my enduro-style bike and it's a great tire up front. Faster rolling, lighter, more true to size in the 2.6 than the 2.5 was.

    In the back i'd check out the Forekaster if you want to stay Maxxis and go fast-rolling but good grip.

    I'm running a WTB Breakout 2.5 fast/tough in the back and it's an excellent back tire, very fast rolling...you'd never know it was 1050g.
    Cool. Thanks. I saw the forecaster, but was a bit turned off by it being for wet/muddy conditions according to Maxxis. While my terrain is damp soil, its rarely wet and I stay off the trails when its really wet anyway. Maybe I'm being too literal. Did a little reading an seems like a good tire for what I'm after. Sounds like straight away breaking isn't great compared to the DHR II. That concerns me a bit in our looser soil conditions, but I wouldn't call the Hans Dampf great at it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodstockMTB View Post
    Cool. Thanks. I saw the forecaster, but was a bit turned off by it being for wet/muddy conditions according to Maxxis. While my terrain is damp soil, its rarely wet and I stay off the trails when its really wet anyway. Maybe I'm being too literal. Did a little reading an seems like a good tire for what I'm after. Sounds like straight away breaking isn't great compared to the DHR II. That concerns me a bit in our looser soil conditions, but I wouldn't call the Hans Dampf great at it either.
    I've never run the forekaster personally but read through the thread on it if you haven't already... Seems like it does well in a lot of environments.

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    I'd like to give my two cents on this subject for what it's worth. To cut to the chase, I absolutely love the Specialized Grid 2.6s. I have 35mm internal carbon rims and they're right at 2.5 inches wide. The Purgatory being slightly wider than the Butcher and Ground Control. I originally had Maxxis DHF and DHRIIs and they rolled like my bike was stuck in the mud. Grip was good but that drag! Anyway, the Butchers (935 grams) aren't so great in drier and harder conditions because the outer knobs will tend to squirm if they can't dig deep. If I rode in the PNW or another moist locale they'd be great. For desert riding I use the Purgatorys (980 grams). The wider based outer knobs really grip in the dry stuff. Also a major plus is how long they've lasted. I love riding treacherous rocky stuff and have managed to only cut one Purgatory on sharp granite, right in the center of the tread. The sealant allowed me to finish the ride out but it eventually wouldn't hold so it got replaced. I love experimenting with different tires but I think I've found all I need in the Spesh tires.

    I've also tried out:

    Ground Control 2.6 Grid- 898 grams. GREAT rolling tire, though not as much outright grip as Purgatory but makes an awesome rear tire.

    Vee Crown Gem 2.6 - 916 grams. Tore a knob clean off on sharp rocks. Pretty good grip, very wide for a 2.6 but didn't ride long enough to get a great feel for it.

    Terrene Chunk 2.6 light- 923 grams. Wider than my friend's DHF 2.8. AMAZING grip in dry conditions, sidewalls seemed very thin although I never tore it. Rolls like a DHF (not a good thing)

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    Quote Originally Posted by agauna View Post
    I'd like to give my two cents on this subject for what it's worth. To cut to the chase, I absolutely love the Specialized Grid 2.6s. I have 35mm internal carbon rims and they're right at 2.5 inches wide. The Purgatory being slightly wider than the Butcher and Ground Control. I originally had Maxxis DHF and DHRIIs and they rolled like my bike was stuck in the mud. Grip was good but that drag! Anyway, the Butchers (935 grams) aren't so great in drier and harder conditions because the outer knobs will tend to squirm if they can't dig deep. If I rode in the PNW or another moist locale they'd be great. For desert riding I use the Purgatorys (980 grams). The wider based outer knobs really grip in the dry stuff. Also a major plus is how long they've lasted. I love riding treacherous rocky stuff and have managed to only cut one Purgatory on sharp granite, right in the center of the tread. The sealant allowed me to finish the ride out but it eventually wouldn't hold so it got replaced. I love experimenting with different tires but I think I've found all I need in the Spesh tires.

    I've also tried out:

    Ground Control 2.6 Grid- 898 grams. GREAT rolling tire, though not as much outright grip as Purgatory but makes an awesome rear tire.

    Vee Crown Gem 2.6 - 916 grams. Tore a knob clean off on sharp rocks. Pretty good grip, very wide for a 2.6 but didn't ride long enough to get a great feel for it.

    Terrene Chunk 2.6 light- 923 grams. Wider than my friend's DHF 2.8. AMAZING grip in dry conditions, sidewalls seemed very thin although I never tore it. Rolls like a DHF (not a good thing)
    Great info! Are you running 27.5" or 29"?

    My LBS said the 29x2.3" purg is smaller than the butcher and GC, so apparently it is not consistent through the product lineup.
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    I recently installed a 650 Slaughter 2.6 Grid.

    Really nice tire for dry summer conditions. It measures 2mm wider than my 2.5 DHF WT on 30mm IW rims. Super fast rolling and great cornering. As expected, forward traction and braking are compromised compared with a knobbier tire, but it's what I want and need right now. I wanted to drop rolling resistance and drag through midsummer blown out conditions. Weight is around 920 grams (from memory)

    It will come off in the fall when we get moisture and mud. I hadn't used Specialized tires for years, but may take a look at some of their other rear offerings. I'm very content with my DHF and have regretted other options in the past.

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    Sorry, that info was for 27.5x2.6.

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    I just bought a new-to-me 2017 Spec Enduro 29 that came with 2.6 Butcher and 2.3" Purgatory on 30mm rims. To my surprise, they measured 2.4x" & 2.3" wide respectively.

    I also noted that my Stumpy 29 which wears i23's with 2.4" Ardent and 2.35" Ikon, measured 2.28" & 2.3" respectively.

    All 4 tires measure 2.18-2.22" tall from rim to center of tread, so no big difference in volume.

    What I took from this was that the Purgatory is way overstated at 2.6" and Maxxis is much more realistic with their measurements as long as you use an adequately wide rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerz_subbie View Post
    I just bought a new-to-me 2017 Spec Enduro 29 that came with 2.6 Butcher and 2.3" Purgatory on 30mm rims. To my surprise, they measured 2.4x" & 2.3" wide respectively.

    I also noted that my Stumpy 29 which wears i23's with 2.4" Ardent and 2.35" Ikon, measured 2.28" & 2.3" respectively.

    All 4 tires measure 2.18-2.22" tall from rim to center of tread, so no big difference in volume.

    What I took from this was that the Purgatory is way overstated at 2.6" and Maxxis is much more realistic with their measurements as long as you use an adequately wide rim.
    Ardent and Ikon are the two (only?) Maxxis tires close to claimed size, almost everything else is smaller.

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    I have the Butcher 2.3 in the new BLK DMND casing. They are very close to my Maxxis Aggresor and Minion DHF 2.5 WT on the same rim. I saw the 2.6 in the new casing today and it is much bigger than the grid 2.6. So there is hope still for all you big tire loving guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    I have the Butcher 2.3 in the new BLK DMND casing. They are very close to my Maxxis Aggresor and Minion DHF 2.5 WT on the same rim. I saw the 2.6 in the new casing today and it is much bigger than the grid 2.6. So there is hope still for all you big tire loving guys.
    Thatís good news!
    Do you have the 27.5 or 29? Also kind of curious on how much these weigh.

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    29er. They are pretty heavy at 1450 grams for 1 and 1430 for the other. I am running them front and rear with cushcore and they feel like they roll amazing. Better than my 2.5 aggressor they replaced.

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    Last year I had a butcher 2.6 on a 29 mm rim. Casing was wider than knobs, which I hate. That would be even worse on a wider rim. Did not seem higher volume than maxxis dhf 2.5 so i went back to that. However, i have always liked the butcher 2.3 in the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    29er. They are pretty heavy at 1450 grams for 1 and 1430 for the other. I am running them front and rear with cushcore and they feel like they roll amazing. Better than my 2.5 aggressor they replaced.
    Dang.
    Those are as heavy as Maxxis DH casings.
    I was hoping they were somewhere in the middle kinda like a DD.

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    But do they stand up on their own?

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    Try a WTB Breakout 2.5 on the rear, great rear tyre and the biggest 2.5 there is, bigger than some 2.6's.

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    I'm running the Butcher 2.6" on the front and Mavic Quest Pro 2.4" on the rear.

    What I don't like: the Butcher is more like at 2.3"-2.4". Not even close to the advertised 2.6" tire. It's also a bit shorter than the Mavic Quest Pro, 2.4" that came on my bike.

    What I like: the Butcher is quick rolling, agile and has GREAT traction. I ride a lot of tree roots with damp soil.

    I plan to get a true 2.6" tire (Maxxis Minion DHF) when the Butcher wears out.

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    Been riding the 2.6 Butcher on my AM HT 29er for last 6 months & love it ^^

    Looks as good as the day I put it on (NB, due to work commitments - my last 4 months of riding has been halved).

    It clears mud really good i.e. when compared to the Hans Dampf, which clogs up pretty quickly.

    Initially, the Butcher felt way heavier/slower than the Hans Dampf.

    This feeling, as you'd expect has been forgotten over time & now it feels fine.

    Plus, it's a lot grippier than the HD it replaced i.e. a good 10-15%.

    It holds goop (sealant) well i.e. it doesn't leak.

    True - it only blows up like to a 2.4 width. On a good 29 ID rim it'd be more volumous ;-P

    I'll be keeping it up front on my AM HT, until it wants off.

    PS - I've got an inkling (n+1) for a mid travel FS 29er... if I go that route - the Butcher will cover point duties there too ^^

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    I have a 2018 Butcher on an i30 rim and it's exactly 2.4". In fact the 2.3 Breakout is the same size.

    It's an ok tire. They should have put the center and side knobs out of phase like on the Hillbilly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nosnoma5 View Post
    I'm running the Butcher 2.6" on the front and Mavic Quest Pro 2.4" on the rear.

    What I don't like: the Butcher is more like at 2.3"-2.4". Not even close to the advertised 2.6" tire. It's also a bit shorter than the Mavic Quest Pro, 2.4" that came on my bike.
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    What I like: the Butcher is quick rolling, agile and has GREAT traction. I ride a lot of tree roots with damp soil.

    I plan to get a true 2.6" tire (Maxxis Minion DHF) when the Butcher wears out.
    I didn't t realize until this week, but the Butcher comes in 2.8 which after reading a ton of reviews they actually measure it closer to 2.6 (go figure). Anyway, the side lugs are slightly shorter and slightly wider than the 2.6 which I'm happy about. My only gripe about the 2.6 was the tall side knobs bending under high turn loads/speeds. You should read the 2.8 reviews, I'm excited to run that tire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    I have a 2018 Butcher on an i30 rim and it's exactly 2.4". In fact the 2.3 Breakout is the same size.

    It's an ok tire. They should have put the center and side knobs out of phase like on the Hillbilly.
    I think they followed the same logic as Gwin did on the Aquilla tire. He said to line them up so they stayed consistent across all lean angles and not feel the transition zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agauna View Post
    I didn't t realize until this week, but the Butcher comes in 2.8 which after reading a ton of reviews they actually measure it closer to 2.6 (go figure). Anyway, the side lugs are slightly shorter and slightly wider than the 2.6 which I'm happy about. My only gripe about the 2.6 was the tall side knobs bending under high turn loads/speeds. You should read the 2.8 reviews, I'm excited to run that tire!
    Where can I find these reviews? This sounds like something I'd like.

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    Love the 2.6 Butcher ^^

    On my 29 I.D rim it measures 62mm wide or 2.44 inches.

    Rolls quick, grips good & has plenty of volume + sheds mud really well.

    Had it on the front of my AM HT 29er & I've now chucked it onto (front) my new 160mm 29" Enduro rig.

    If it's good enough for Keene & Graves it's good enough for me.

    PS - I've paired it up w/ a 2.5 Maxxis Aggressor.

    Casings are roughly the same size - Aggressor side knobs lean out a little more i.e. 2 mm.

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    2.6 Butcher Grid on a WTB ASYM 35mm internal rim on the front of a rigid SS and on the front of a 2016 Stumpjumper. Nice and cushy with good grip.

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    Does anyone have weights for the Ground Control and Fastrak 2.6? I'm not a total weight weenie but intetested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Does anyone have weights for the Ground Control and Fastrak 2.6? I'm not a total weight weenie but intetested.

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    Fastrak 2.6? For realz?
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Yessir. Grid only. In my area the regular Control casing works just fine but they don't offer it in 2.6. I'm sure the Grid had stiffer sidewalls as well so I'm OK with it.

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    I'm interested on the GC and Fast Trak too. Google finds nothing on the Fast Trak and GC only seems to exist in couple of web stores. Are these really available from Spesh dealers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    I think they followed the same logic as Gwin did on the Aquilla tire. He said to line them up so they stayed consistent across all lean angles and not feel the transition zone.
    With as fast as the tire moves from knob to knob relative to how fast the bike is leaned, I'm having trouble picturing how that could be the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    With as fast as the tire moves from knob to knob relative to how fast the bike is leaned, I'm having trouble picturing how that could be the case.
    I am not a tire engineer, I am just repeating what Gwin said was a trait he wanted on his tire from a video I watched. I tend to not argue with the thoughts from one of fastest dudes on the planet that get to design and test products. If it was all BS or not, they left it in the video which means that there could be some merit to the statement. However I could not explain it.


    Touches on it in the review. Too lazy to go find video.
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    I'm not sure if you've already pulled the trigger and bought your tires. I've been running the Butcher up front for as long as I can remember. Was on a 2.3, now on a 2.6. On the rear, I've ran the 2.3 Ground Control until they changed up the side knob design a couple years back. The change in the side knobs made for a squirlier/less confident feel. I then moved to a Maxxis Agressor out back which was a great tire until it started to wear. Then it lost traction and sucked. This happened quick. So, back to Spesh I went. This time with a 2.3 Purg in the rear. Butcher 2.6 GRID in front with a Purg 2.3 GRID in the rear is almost the holy grail for a due all combo. Probably very similar to a Minion/Agressor on the Maxxis line. You will definitely not be sad with a 2.6 Butcher GRID up front and 2.3 Pugr GRID in the rear. The new Spesh Eliminator just dropped and I will be testing it out on my front as soon as it arrives. Go GRID with the casing unless you're doing 90% chunky downhill stuff. The GRID casing hasn't let me down to date.

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    Eliminator looks interesting. Lighter than the pitcher too. 2.3 out back huh? Weird that I think that's skinny now a days. I'm looking for something faster than the DHF/DHR 2.6 combo I have now. Tons of grip I just don't need here in VT. I need to roll faster. or trails have tons of grip built in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodstockMTB View Post
    Eliminator looks interesting. Lighter than the pitcher too. 2.3 out back huh? Weird that I think that's skinny now a days. I'm looking for something faster than the DHF/DHR 2.6 combo I have now. Tons of grip I just don't need here in VT. I need to roll faster. or trails have tons of grip built in.
    Yeah, 2.3 out back. Just because the trend is go widest possible everywhere doesnít mean it fits the bill. I want efficiency out back for climbing. For my riding style, the 2.3 hasnít let me down. I ride aggressively and rely on my front to stick to the ground. As long as the rear has predictable sliding, Iím fine with it. Canít seem to get this 2.3 to let go in the rear unless I give it a lot of brake. The 2.5/2.6 in front with a 2.3 in the rear is really the holy grail for my riding style.

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    Running a 29 x 2.6 Eliminator up front and it's the best front tire I've ever used, and I've ran most of the contenders. Before this I had the Butcher 2.6 Grid, before that 3 DHF 2.5s in a row (Dual, then 3c), before that MM 2.35 Addix, DHRII 2.4 (3c), Shortie 2.5, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    Running a 29 x 2.6 Eliminator up front and it's the best front tire I've ever used, and I've ran them all. Before this I had the Butcher 2.6, before that 3 DHF 2.5s in a row, before that MM, DHRII, Shortie, etc...
    This post is gold! Thanks for the feedback. Can't wait to try the Eliminator!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopshute View Post
    This post is gold! Thanks for the feedback. Can't wait to try the Eliminator!
    For me the Eliminator is superior to the Butcher in that it rolls faster and holds a hard turn better. Perhaps in mud or deep loose dirt the Butcher would be better but thatís just a guess as we almost never ride mud out here in New Mexico. Now, I really wish Spesh would make an Eliminator thatís closer to actual 2.6 to have up front!

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    If the Butcher 29x2.6 was only 3mm wider!

    Then it'd be a perfect combo, with my Aggressor 2.5 out back.

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    If you aren't happy with the sizing discrepancy then I encourage you to phone Specialized and let them know about it. They aren't going to change unless they have a reason to.

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