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    Edmonton. Spring 2012

    I had to do this. We were still posting in the Fall thread and Winter is pretty much over..
    The trails are quite messy at the moment but at the rate it's going we may see dirt soon!
    Just make sure you throw on those fenders for the time being....
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    Yea, I guess the winter thread got skipped, but given the mild temperatures and lack of snow this year means we didn't have a traditional winter anyway.

    I was out yesterday riding some country roads. Slipped quite a bit in the slush and got nice and muddy. Fun short ride, but I can't wait till it dries out a bit more.

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    Definitely a weird year. This was my third "winter" of commuting and hitting the trails on the way home. With the sloppiness out there right now I'll probably be staying off the trails for the next week or two, but I really hope we get the rain that's in the forecast to clean things up fast.

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    Hehehe....it's a week early for spring, but considering the winter we had, I'd say we're probably in pretty good standing to go to a spring thread. Heck, if things keep up they way they have been, I'll get the knobbys back on the Cx bike and get commuting again
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    Anyone planning to come out to the Blizzard Bike Race in Devon?
    Definitely a more recreational, come-to-have-fun event, but it should be good. Tons of draw prizes, free hot drinks, chili and cookies, hard to go wrong!

    The way this weather is, probably should be called the Slush Cup, but it will be fun nonetheless.
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    Should be extra slushy with snow in the forecast for Saturday!
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    I've decided the only way I am going to be in shape for race season is to take my CX bike off the trainer, put the knobby back on the rear wheel and start commuting. Because I was dealing with sciatica for the last 3 months I have lost a TON of fitness and I can only hope that I don't get lapped in the first few races this year!
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    Just rode the course today, most of it is super prime and packed down nicely, a few sections are soft and challenging, but I rode the entire course on a skinny-tire cross bike (new Norco Threshold!) so on a mountain bike tire it would be quite easier.

    It's supposed to drop below 0 every night leading into the race, so hopefully that delays the melt enough to have a race on snow instead of slush and mud... Fingers crossed!
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    I'm not a racer, but I'm definitely glad to see that the race is back after the weather went crazy last year.

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    Carryover from the Fall thread

    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    I've got a firexc on the back of my hardtail, and it has lasted forever. This will be it's 3rd season, and I figure it's got at least 6000km of commuting/trails on it, and there's still plenty of life left in it. The only thing is that it's always been a really terrible wet weather tire. If the trails are a little muddy, or if the roots are a little damp then it will slide all over the place.
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    The FireXC's last forever, but yeah, they suck when things get wet. Even if it is moderately damp, they can clog up pretty good. In snow, I ccutally find they do respectably well, but not in mud.
    Ahhh crap - I picked 'em out "visually" just for the mucky/damp stuff I expect in Spring. The tread pattern 'looks' good for muck, but it's hard to guess at the compound. Oh well - what would you suggest for Spring conditions, between these? I use tubes on my 26" bike and tend to shop at MEC so...

    Kenda Nevegal DTC 2.1 *or* 2.35
    Maxxis Ignitor 2.1
    Maxxis Ardent 2.25

    Everything else is either really heavy or just seems wrong (Kenda Smallblock8 and Maxxis Ikon / Holy Roller) for muck.

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    ^ I've got Ardents on my 29er, and they're not nearly as squirrely.

    There were a couple of times last year where I gave up in the middle of a ride (usually just hitting the trails on my way home) because the FireXC was sliding all over the place, and I'd been through the same spot the day before on the Ardents without any problems.

    I also had a nevegal on the rear before the firexc, and didn't have the same problems with it (although it wore out in less than a summer)

    Sorry for the bad news about the Firexc. Generally it's a really nice tire, but it's surprisingly, bafflingly terrible in the wet.

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    Well these were taken exactly 1 week ago but I just couldn't wait to get the cross check off the trainer and onto the trails!
    should be an awesome day today with double digits in the forecast. Might just have to go do another scouting run in the river valley to check out conditions.

    These pics are from terwillegar dog park and the paved path just outside the park(sorry, i'm not great with directions and since i don't live in edmonton, i get lost easily in the river valley trail system the odd times i visit). Was kinda messy in spots with all the sand on the paved path and still a bit icy in spots so had to be careful on some of the downhills.
    Cross check feels great on the paved stuff. little rough on the lumpy snow compared to my 6" AM bike though.

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    Picked up my cross check from Revolution Cycle about a month ago after waiting for it on back order for 4 months. Only changes so far beyond adding fenders and a seat bag are removing the bar end shifters and moved them to the downtube braze ons. Front shifter doesn't work very good right now but I have some proper dura ace downtube shifters on order to hopefully fix that.

    Anyway back to topic, I did do another trip down to the park by the zoo the following friday and the paved trails were ok, again steep sections had lots of sand and still some snow on em so had to walk some. still alot of snow on the non paved trails but there were the odd spots that had some mud and roots showing through.

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    I went through Millcreek on the way home last night, and it was pretty much solid ice. There are little bits of dirt showing through in places, but even with studded tires there were a lot of spots where it was just hang-on-and-hope-for-the-best. The Canada Cup course was a little bit better, but it still wasn't too much fun either.


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    Even sections of the paved trails through Mill Creek were like skating rinks this morning. Commuting was a breeze today with nearly 100% of the almost 20km commute on designated bike/multiuse paved paths. I would say from what I encountered, 97% of the paved trails are clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P-Tron View Post
    Kenda Nevegal DTC 2.1 *or* 2.35
    Maxxis Ignitor 2.1
    Maxxis Ardent 2.25

    Everything else is either really heavy or just seems wrong (Kenda Smallblock8 and Maxxis Ikon / Holy Roller) for muck.
    I would NOT recommend the Ignitors. They clog up quickly and do not shed mud. I use the Ardent 2.25 on my SS 29er and find I can usually stay upright more than most others I ride with when in less than favourable conditions.

    Another good option for a tire that can handle all conditions and does better than most in the mud is the Kenda Karmas 1.9s - it is my go to tire when racing in muddy conditions.
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    2 positives for the Ardent - seems like a safe bet. Thanks for the input!
    Not necessarily needing a mud-paddle tire, just something that's not notably bad I can always swap in the XC later in the year.

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    ^ the other thing to remember is that spring won't necessarily be muddy. Even with all of the snow we had last year the trails were super dry in May. Of course then it rained non-stop for all of June and July, but before that things were good.

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    A little something from the ride home today:



    That was the longest section of my route that was mostly muck and snow free, but it's getting close out there.

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    Was out exploring the bike paths in Stony Plain today. Found some trails in the bush that I didn't know existed. Very sweet surprise.

    These trails aren't nearly as clear of snow as newfangled's picture. They were pretty fun though, it was nice getting into the woods a bit.

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    Out today and the paved trails are pretty much clear of snow, there were sections of ice and slush on the southside but nothing too bad.

    Mckinnon ravine is doing it's usual slow melt, with snow still covering lots of the paths along with some hairy sections of thick ice making some question why they took off their winter tires
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    Quote Originally Posted by joewill View Post
    Was out exploring the bike paths in Stony Plain today. Found some trails in the bush that I didn't know existed. Very sweet surprise.

    These trails aren't nearly as clear of snow as newfangled's picture. They were pretty fun though, it was nice getting into the woods a bit.

    Love the Cross Check jonb505, beautiful bike.
    Thanks, it rides just as good as it looks.

    Did you say Stony Plain? I never knew there were any trails in stony plain. I live next door in Spruce Grove and there are a few paved trails through town with the odd little dirt trail here and there in the woods but never thought Stony had anything. Might have to head over there and check it out next time i'm out for a ride. Its only a couple miles down the highway. Good excuse to put some miles in on the cross check

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-Tron View Post
    Carryover from the Fall thread





    Ahhh crap - I picked 'em out "visually" just for the mucky/damp stuff I expect in Spring. The tread pattern 'looks' good for muck, but it's hard to guess at the compound. Oh well - what would you suggest for Spring conditions, between these? I use tubes on my 26" bike and tend to shop at MEC so...

    Kenda Nevegal DTC 2.1 *or* 2.35
    Maxxis Ignitor 2.1
    Maxxis Ardent 2.25

    Everything else is either really heavy or just seems wrong (Kenda Smallblock8 and Maxxis Ikon / Holy Roller) for muck.
    The Ardents are pretty good....I use an Ardent clone (Spesh Purgatory) on the DT and find it works well for the most part. Nev's aren't too bad, but I find even the non-Stick-E ones wear really quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonb505 View Post
    Thanks, it rides just as good as it looks.

    Did you say Stony Plain? I never knew there were any trails in stony plain. I live next door in Spruce Grove and there are a few paved trails through town with the odd little dirt trail here and there in the woods but never thought Stony had anything. Might have to head over there and check it out next time i'm out for a ride. Its only a couple miles down the highway. Good excuse to put some miles in on the cross check
    I'm not sure how long the trails I was on go. I cut my exploring short because I forgot my water bottle at home and I was getting very thirsty. I'm looking forward to getting back out there and doing some more exploring.

    To find the trails just take the bike path along 79th Ave. west of Golf Course road. If you stay on the path as it goes into the wooded area you'll see the trails.

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    Just got back from a ride in the mill creek ravine area. I parked just off whyte ave 95a street, the first parking lot going down 95a street. Took the Slayer out for a ride today.
    This is my first time in the mill creek ravine area exploring on my own so don't ask me where I was when i took these pictures, I honestly couldn't tell you. I'm just glad i managed to find my way back to my car after i was tired of riding.
    I managed to find some single track not far from the parking lot and rode it back and forth a few times.
    Weather was great today, the sections with snow were slushy. There were quite a few bare spots, some dry and others muddy especially on the single track i found.
    BTW i'm running maxxis ardent 2.25 on the rear and 2.4 on the front. Handled the muddy stuff just fine. I did slip out on one steep climbs in the mud but downhill grip in the mud was fine. Anyhow on with the pictures:

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    spot where i slipped:
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    Not sure if people have heard about the Rivervalley Cycle Liquidation Auction on March 31:

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    Mud Sweat and Gears in the Park is doing a liquidation of RVC's Kona inventory this Saturday too. I'd link to it but I don't have the required number of posts. Go to the Mud Sweat and Gears home page and look at the top banner.

    I called the other day to see if they had the bike I've been thinking about buying, but they couldn't tell me what was coming in. If you're in the market for a Kona this may interest you.

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    Hmmm...that's interesting. A lot of Kona's were on the block at the auction being done by Foothills on the 31st (they are the ones BDO had retained to sell everything off)....maybe they are trying to get them liquidated (as in cheap, but not auction cheap) before they auction the rest?

    Edit: in looking at the list that MSG has in their "news" secion, it looks like they may have some, but not all of RVC's Kona's...The title seems to suggest these are the ones Kona siezed (likely to cover what they were owed). There are bikes I was looking at on the auction page (so I know sizes and which lots I was going to be looking at) that aren't listed at MSG. Probably everthing Kona didn't/couldn't seize is at the auction while MSG clears out the rest.
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    I really don't need a Kona Ute, and I totally don't have space for one, but even at MSRP they're pretty cheap, and at clearance prices that could be pretty tempting.

    Must not go to MSG.

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    FWIW, If one of the Kona 2+2s at Foothills is 18" or 19" I'm going to try to buy it Don't bid me up
    I've been tempted by the Magic Link, and this just seems like a gift-wrapped invitation to get into a FS bike.

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    This looks too "dangerous" for my wallet. I just might have to go.

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    If you're looking for something with knobby tires at either MSG or at the RVC Auction, you're safe from me. The Knolly will do me for Edmonton riding for a looooooooong time to come.

    I'm more in the market to replace the Cx bike with a roadie...I think my commute (which no longer involves trails ), training and the RtCC riding will benefit from a skinny tired bike.
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    Yep, liquidation here I come.

    Got out yesterday and a week ago with Gord. Great ride yesterday, we both had two near misses that resulting in some definite ass puckering. Riding out of Heritage up to Keillor Road was sketchy for me. Pure ice under the fresh snow. I walked 50%, Gord rode 80%+ of it. Definite good time all around and I'm kicking myself for not getting out this winter as winter riding is FUN!

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    ^ the ice under snow is so nasty. I did most of the CC course yesterday, and with the snow you couldn't quite tell where the roots were, or if they were covered with ice. Ass-puckering is a good word.




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    Random shots from yesterday:










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    Well, the legs are getting there....now if we could keep things snow free for a little bit this week...

    I'm hoping to have the Cx bike off the trainer for April 1, but my commute is sketchy traffic wise, so I need it ice free so I can concentrate on the drivers (the knobbies take care of the gravel).

    I'm set for the long rides, though....finished my franken-pack this weekend. MEC shell, Geigerrig bladder and a Fuel Injector. Probably going to be one of the more unusual hydration packs you might see out there
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    Went to MSG yesterday and picked up a new Kona Unit. They weren't liquidating the Units, so I didn't get a deal. I've been drooling over this bike all winter though, so I just pulled the trigger. Haven't ridden a single speed since my BMX days when I was younger.

    Took it out for the shakedown run earlier today. I felt very comfortable on the bike, love the wide bars and I think the frame size was a good choice (18"). Really enjoyed the feel of the bike, mind you we're still on the "honeymoon". This is my first 29er too. Something I didn't anticipate was how far the front tire sticks out, I mean it's obvious now that I think about it, but I didn't expect that.

    Found a short trail covered in snow to ride. I was really impressed with the stock Maxxis Ignitor tires. I found that they did better in the snow than the WTB Moto Raptors on my other bike. That could have something to do with the wheel size too?

    Single speeding got the heart rate up higher than geared riding. I did stall out once trying to crest a very short hill. The front tire sunk into the snow and I didn't have the power to push it through. Excited to ride this bike more, and hopefully on dirt soon.

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    ^ good choice. The Unit is excellent. I was really hoping that this would be the weekend that I'd de-winterize mine and convert it back to it's SS summer glory, but I'm going to hold out at least one more week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    ^ the ice under snow is so nasty. I did most of the CC course yesterday, and with the snow you couldn't quite tell where the roots were, or if they were covered with ice. Ass-puckering is a good word.

    Nice! I've just been sticking to the paved and a bit of the multi use to try to get my lungs and legs back to somewhat of a respectable shape.

    The single track attempts I made this year once we had snow cover didn't last too long...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri View Post
    Random shots from yesterday:
    What time were you guys out ? That looks like Mill Creek which I didn't even come close to on Saturday.
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    We were out 1:30 - 3:30pmish.

    Did Mill Creek (just the multis this time, last weekend the single track was a bit icy yet), jumped over to Old Timers, did the multis there, across the bridge at Kinsmen (multi to Emily Murphy was sheer ice last week so we said f-that), took the paved along river valley road to the groat bridge, across the bridge, drop down to the parking lot right beside the wooden staircase (ass puckering moment - you can actually see where both of our front wheels did a nice plow/grind/drift on a hidden ice flow bump halfway down the hill), lower multi all the way to Heritage Park, single track from Heritage to top of Kiellor Road, then paved back home!

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    yup - when my front tire almost completely washed out on the ice coming down that hill I thought I was done for. Still not certain how either one of us kept upright! That had me just as worried as I was when I had my best winter crash ever that I managed to catch on video (crash is in the last 40 seconds): Boxing Day Ride - YouTube
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    Yeah, winter riding is always an adventure... I remember a couple years ago coming off the pedestrian bridge over Dawson Road and in 3 point mode (two tires and a leg down) doing pirouettes as I wet around the lower part of the curve onto the paved trail to the Capilano Bridge.

    I'm still on the trainer for now...doing intervals to try to get my wind and legs up to where I'd like them to be for daily commuting, but with the weather, I know it won't be long before the knobby goes back on the rear wheel and I'm out there.
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    I am part-time commuting. I am trying to commute 2 or 3 days a week. I am also going to be a fair-weather commuter as I really don't want to be a sloppy mess coming into work. Last week's weather kept me from getting out but I intend to be on the bike at least twice this week as Spring looks to be coming in full force.
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    My new ride!

    I just bought my first 'real' mountain bike! It's not at the same level as most of your rides but upgrading from a Trek 820 to a Rockhopper 29 has been awesome.
    I was able to take it out for a good ride last night and the biggest thing that I noticed was the improvement in climbing ability; either that or I'm in a lot better shape than I thought I was considering it was my first real ride of the year.

    I can't wait until the trails dry up to really take advantage of the upgrade

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    Nice ride! You'll have a blast with that on the trails this summer! Biggest thing you'll notice is the gyroscope effect of the larger wheels. 29ers FTW!

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    Nice stumpy!

    I might as well throw this out here:

    I'm getting a puppy in a couple of weeks, and I want to get a trailer to haul it around town, to the dogparks, and down to the river.

    After seeing stuff like this, I'm pretty sure I'm going to get a singlewheel BOB trailer:

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    Now, BOBs are specifically not for animals or people, but the videos sure make it look cool.

    The other option would be a two-wheeled kiddie trailer, but I picture it getting hung up on potholes, the crud that's in the gutters, rogue roots on some of the doubletrack, all of the narrow spots on the sidewalks/bikepaths, and being unable to dodge around oblivious joggers. But I could be wrong. Anybody have much experience using a two-wheeled kiddie-trailer around town?

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    LOL! Cute dog!

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    ^ the video makes me wonder how many times the dog got it's nose buzzed by the tire. But my plan is to get the 29er version of the BOB that has a longer fork, and to mostly tow it behind my beater bike that's a 26er and has full fenders. I figure that should give the dog lots of room. And if I were to take it through someplace like lower ewok or the tame sections of the CC course, I'd just let the dog get off and run behind me. It seems like a better idea than getting a two-wheeler, where I imagine I'd be stuck just riding River Valley Road over and over.

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    Nice Ride HankMcCoy! Excellent bike to ride anything and everything in the river valley i'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonb505 View Post
    Nice Ride HankMcCoy! Excellent bike to ride anything and everything in the river valley i'm sure.
    Agreed, that frame will serve you well. There is a lot of technology that goes into those Specialized frames!
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    Opinions? Advice?

    As the proud new owner of a Fox 32 Talas 150 RLC, which can adjust from 120-150mm travel on-the-fly. I'm wondering how it might be made to work on my 100mm hardtail. It's a 2011 Kona Kula.

    With the travel set to 120mm, I wonder how noticeably the extra 2cm would affect it's ability to climb and flat-ground performance?
    If it wouldn't be too bad, I wonder if the 150mm setting can be used for descents - slackening the geometry a bit and introducing more travel couldn't be a bad thing, right? I can just flick it back to 120mm easily, so...hmmm.
    Maybe I could offset most of the extra 20mm by using a 650B wheel on the rear? Then it might be "like stock" geometry but with an optional 30mm of extra front travel (and an overall height gain of about 1.5cm.)

    Thoughts?

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    ^ I'm no expert, but more than riding geometry I think the worry with a big increase in travel is the extra stresses that it puts on the frame.

    If you've got a 150mm bike and you want to do some climbing then just you reduce the travel to 120mm, and that's okay. But if you've got a 100mm bike then increasing the travel to 150mm puts a lot of extra leverage on the welds at the headtube, and that might be bad?

    I'd think that running 120mm on your 100mm should probably be okay (my rigid 29er is suspension corrected for an 80mm fork, but everyone says that using a 100mm would be fine). You could probably get around most geometry issues just by playing with the sag. But I really have no idea. The suspension forum might be a good place to ask.

    And now I'm off for a ride, since I spent the last few days de-winterizing my Unit, and I'm not going to let a little winter stop me.

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    I think the extra leverage of the longer fork is going to stress your headtube too much and you'll crack your frame, especially if you opt for the 150mm.

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    Trail report! Went for a recon ride through the south end of Mill Creek Ravine today. East-facing side & lower sections are still snow/ice, but the west-facing side is almost dry. Maybe another week if the weather holds?

    Any other updates on other trails?

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    ^ I did some of the west end of the canadacup course near the U on my way home tonight. In most spots there's still a solid strip of snow down the middle of the trail, and a fair bit of mud. Nice to see dirt again, but not too much fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri & newfangled View Post
    I think the extra leverage of the longer fork is going to stress your headtube too much and you'll crack your frame, especially if you opt for the 150mm.
    Yup, it appears so. Off the eBay it goes!

    Went for my first ride of the year tonight, and the FirePro XC on the rear worked out just fine for me (definitely no worse than my Aspens were) even uphill in slush and muck. Also was pleased to see how well my front Nevegal shed mud - something Aspens were terrible at.

    The areas that get some sun are pretty dry. Went through mid Ewok and it's still pretty mucky in spots, but rideable. The trail that goes around Riverside GC is decent, but there's still snow in the shady spots. Some of the snow/slush sections are pretty tough, and carrying any speed through the slush (on an incline is the worst) really tests your ability to hold a line.

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    I have been keeping an eye on the ST trails during my commute and I think it will be at least the end of next week before the trails are clear of snow. The temps forecasted for next week make me think that by April 14th we should be riding dirt. High, west facing trails have many clear, dry sections however there are still plenty of mud on most of them.
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    North side from Muttart to Dawson Bridge (single track and multi) is all good and dry. South side....not so much.

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    Any report on Dawson to Capilano on the north side? I suspect the lower stuff would still be wet but the upper sections should be clear and mainly dry.

    Upper Ewok usually clears up quickly and should be good in most spots but wet in the bottoms and heavily treed sections. Anyone ridden those yet?

    Some trails that probably won't be clear for another month are: Cambodia, the ST between Capilano and Riverside GC on the south side, lower Mill Creek on the east side of the ravine, Root Canal and most trails in McKinnon, and north facing trails in Terwillegar. Haven't been on them but these are typically the last ones that melt.
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    Lower single track on Ewok is almost all snow-free (not by the river, next to the mulit), but not all dry. Have not yet ventured to the higher Ewok area. New(er) trail that runs parallel to the bike path from Capilano bridge to the golf course still has snow, as does the paved bike trail. Lower multi in front the of the golf course was about 50% snow last Saturday.

    Generally, still pretty wet and muddy with snow and ice sprinkled in for good measure.

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    Went out at lunch around Keillor and the Equine Centre, and it was really mucky.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri View Post
    ...New(er) trail that runs parallel to the bike path from Capilano bridge to the golf course still has snow, as does the paved bike trail...
    Ya, that won't be rideable for a month or so as I mentioned - it just doesn't get any sun. It was always the last trail to dry last year as well so no only does it not get sun, it has very poor drainage.
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    Oh, and I stopped and took a peek at the north end of the groat road rollercoaster yesterday, and it was still really snowy from the weekend so I didn't go any further.

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    Winter Storm Warning in Effect?

    Potential of up to 25 cm of snow Wednesday night and Thursday?

    What?

    It's still 24+ hours away, so I hope Environment Canada is just being overly cautious with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    Winter Storm Warning in Effect?

    Potential of up to 25 cm of snow Wednesday night and Thursday?

    What?

    It's still 24+ hours away, so I hope Environment Canada is just being overly cautious with this.

    Blame me! I just took off my Winter tires

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri View Post
    North side from Muttart to Dawson Bridge (single track and multi) is all good and dry. South side....not so much.
    Yup - rode North side coming home from work today and it's good and dry.
    Also, the trail that starts at the "end" of Jasper Ave and descends to the river is also in good shape.
    Quote Originally Posted by gord962 View Post
    Any report on Dawson to Capilano on the north side? I suspect the lower stuff would still be wet but the upper sections should be clear and mainly dry.
    The MUT that follows the riverbank is in good shape. There isn't a whole lot of ST in between Dawson and Capilano that I know of except for the trails up on the bank, which are dry.
    Upper Ewok usually clears up quickly and should be good in most spots but wet in the bottoms and heavily treed sections. Anyone ridden those yet?
    Mid-Ewok is rideable, but mucky. I won't be going back until it dries out more though; It's hard work slogging through muck!

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    Anyone been riding terwillegar park lately? Last time I drove down there to the parking area is getting some really bad potholes at the entrance to the parking lot. Unless u have a truck its almost impossible to get in there as of a week ago.

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    Terwilliger = clay town. Best to stay away when wet unless you want 10lbs of wet clay on your bike

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    Rode Mill creek today from velodrome parking lot south to north end. Stayed on the dirt trails all the way. Very muddy right now with some snow/ice in the shady spots. Was all rideable for the most part, just had to walk up most hills because the mud was so slick. I'm thinkin by next weekend things will be looking pretty good if we get temps in the double digits like they are forecasting.

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    Yeah, I took my slicks bike out today and mostly stayed on the pavement, but I was surprised how dry a lot of the trails were. I've got tomorrow off too, and will probably try a loop down to goldbar and back through ewok and the cc course.

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    My commute today is going to take me through lower Ewok and down by Riverside GC. I'll post the trail conditions although I suspect they may be on the muddy side. I stuck to the pave on the way in to work as I didn't want to come into work covered in mud but I am willing to see how much mud is there on my way home tonight.
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    ^ I did my big goldbar-mckinnon ride yesterday. It was mucky but pretty decent.

    Around riverside was fine, but I didn't even bother looking at the trail below Roland road.
    Lower ewok still looked really snowy/icy, so I took the mid level and it was good (even the giant slide in the middle was dry).
    The pseudo-pumptrack between Ewok and the Louise Mckinney bridge was probably the slickest section I was on.
    Then I did a bunch of the CC course and it was pretty good, but snowy in spots.
    Totally skipped the area under the university
    Mckinnon ravine is good, but the trails above and around it are still really snowy. People have obviously been doing runs on bobsled, but I was too chicken.

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    Couple rides this weekend for me. Did 32.5 km on the Cx bike and the roads and bike trails (paved) are generally in good shape...just a couple icy / snowy sections out there, but the gravel can be killer (deep and out a long way) in spots.

    Also did 43 km on the DT...did Mill Creek from the south end to near Whyte (not too bad overall, a little bit rough when things are frozen solid in the morning) and the stuff between Keillor Road and Sask Drive near the equine centre. The Keillor stuff is all snow with a little mud kicked in...I saw evidence of another bike or two in certain spots, while in others I was the first to roll through. In general, the MUTs are a bit soggy and icy, esp. where they are well covered by trees and the ST is still snowy in many spots.

    Good weekend, just the same (though my legs were mad at me for jumping on the DT and doing that sort of distance right off the bat).
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    MUT through Ewok was okay however MUT along Riverside was still very muddy and icy/snowy is large sections. It started good while the trail was north/south but once you hit where the side fell into the river it was bad shape all the way to the pavement. Lots of choppy snow/ice and mud wasn't confidence inspiring on a CX bike. There were some dry sections but very few. I made it through everything in areas where it appeared other riders had to walk (based on tracks) but I will be waiting another week before I bother taking that section again.
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    ^ sorry, I said that the trail around riverside was fine, but I was on my ss with big ardents. A cx ride would definitely be a different story.

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    Has anybody been down to the river section of Canada Cup? Hopefully the temperatures in the next couple of days will get us most of the way there...

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    ^ I was through there on Monday and it was rideable enough, but the section between the Walterdale and City's yard was really messy.

    At lunch I was down by the equine centre which was terrible, so I gave up and stuck to the paved trail instead. The gravel mup that goes around Ft. Edmonton is pretty decent with bits of snow here and there, but no major flooding or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    ^ I was through there on Monday and it was rideable enough, but the section between the Walterdale and City's yard was really messy.

    At lunch I was down by the equine centre which was terrible, so I gave up and stuck to the paved trail instead. The gravel mup that goes around Ft. Edmonton is pretty decent with bits of snow here and there, but no major flooding or anything.
    Yeah, the stuff near the equine centre (above Keillor Road) was going to be quite wet when it warmed up. The snow wasn't bad on the DT running 2.4's for my ride on Saturday, but I'm sure it was a mud-fest come Monday...I didn't bother with the lower trail as it already looked like a mudfest on Sat.
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    ^ a mudfest mixed with horsepoop. Yuck.

    And the forecast is for rain/snow for the next few days.

    Anyway, here's my fancy "new" bad-weather ride:

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    Mostly all Canada Cup ST is still under snow as 99% of it is on a north facing bank. Everything should be good to go by next Friday.
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    Got out with the wife last night for some pavement pounding. CC uppper is all clear except a couple of patches of snow, but it's muddy. Mill Creek is almost snow free, but again, muddy. Pavement river valley wide is dry and snow-free!

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    ALBERTA!!!! Gotta love the weather!

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    New question here. Mud riding, thoughts?

    Rats! Lookin like another weekend going by without any riding.
    Maybe time to put the fenders back on the cyclocross bike

    From the looks of it out there the trails won't be drying up for awhile.
    Now I don't mind riding in the mud sometimes, considering I have time to hit the car wash and rinse the bike post ride, but... What's the general view on riding the trails in the river valley when its muddy/wet? I know some places I've heard that it may even be illegal/frowned upon to ride after it rains because you'll tear up the trails and cause damage/erosion problems, etc. Is that something to be concerned about in the Edmonton River valley? Does anyone care? Or am I just paranoid/OCD?
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    According to most of the mtb clubs in Edmonton - who are essentially the ones volunteering to do trail maintenance; proper trail etiquette is not to ride on wet trails to prevent causing further damage. It is frowned upon by the clubs - yes - but is there going to be a grim reaper hiding in the trails that's going to pop out and axe your head when you shred on wet trails - not likely.

    Or is there?

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    The multi use trails are usually ok for wet weather riding pending on their condition.

    As for all the singletrack. People who ride on soaking wet singletrack create ruts
    that harden when it dries. A lot of people will go around puddles widening the trail
    causing damage. It's best to just stay off...

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    Former IMBA Bike Patroller juices kicking in here:

    The MUTs are intended for all weather use and should have sufficient gravel to them to keep them intact. Riding wet/muddy singletrack can result in significant damage to the trail and surrounding area. People should avoid riding on wet / muddy singletrack.

    Of course, as Jr stated, there isn't anyone out there with a scythe waiting for you if you do ride them... it's just as Capt. Hook would say: *best Dustin Hoffman voice here* "Bad form!!"
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    Well that's good to know. Thanks for the information folks. Well I managed to supress my urges to tear up the lovely singletrack around the city yesterday and did a ride on the paved trails instead. Suprisingly it was mostly dry and the wet/snow covered sections were not icy at all. It sure was cold though! But I had 3 layers of clothing on so I kept warm enough.
    Rode from the argyl velodrome parking lot to the strathcona science park and back. Was a great ride. Planning to do it again next weekend, hopefully it'll be warm enough to wear shorts and tee by then!

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    Here's what happened last year when a single track section was ridden excessively during our rain-plagued summer. This used to be one track wide, but grew to about five feet across.


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    Got out last night with Hardcore's group ride. Muddy and slick. Equine center, muddy and greasy. Victoria's Secret - muddy, greasy, and difficult to ride going east to west (west to east wasn't bad). Old Timer's Cabin - yep, greasy mud. Another week of dry weather should help out these spots immensely

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    The other issue with riding muddy ST in Edmonton is that the mud is greasy to ride on yet very sticky on your bike - generally not much fun to ride in. Anyone else recall the Edmonton Canada Cup last year? YUK
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    Quote Originally Posted by gord962 View Post
    The other issue with riding muddy ST in Edmonton is that the mud is greasy to ride on yet very sticky on your bike - generally not much fun to ride in. Anyone else recall the Edmonton Canada Cup last year? YUK
    Do they do a lot of trail repair after the race? I imagine that a race like last year's would destroy some trails.

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    The majority of the course that was unrideable is in Harcore's area for trail maintenance. Hardcore has done a ton of trail maintenance in the last couple years. The great work that the club puts back into the trails and the sport were one of the biggest deciding factors for me to join their club this year.
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    Chickacoo Lake

    Well I figure this is close enough to edmonton to report in this thread, i don't see much point starting a "Spruce Grove spring thread" as i think everyone here mostly drives to edmonton to ride anyway.

    Dusted off the ol' XC bike today and took her for a spin around chickacoo lake (XC ski/Horse trail 15 mins northwest of spruce grove). So much snow! Yes its still winter at chickacoo lake, or at least thats what it felt like today. Very chilly and i would say 50% of the loop I rode was snow covered(2 or 3 inches deep), a good lot of the flat or hill climbs i had to get off and walk as the 2.1" schwalbe racing ralph USTs don't seem to have as much bite as the 2.4 maxxis ardents on my other bike.
    It did help quite a bit when i finally decided to drop the pressure to about 25 pounds(was running 55 pounds for the first half of the ride, doh! ).
    I wouldn't call chickacoo lake trails "technical". They are comparable to blackfoot recreation area as regards trail surface and width. Nice mix of short steep hills and long less steep hills to test your climbing endurance and strength.
    Actually it was cool enough today that the sections with mud were partially frozen so the mud wasn't too bad.

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    Lots of riders out last night. The Hardcore ride was just shy of 15 riders and we ran into the United Cycle group who looked like they were close to 20 people. West Coast Trail is is good shape and ready to go as is most of the trails around Old TImers Cabin. Mill Creek trails on the east side of the ravine were good but the west side ST was still sloppy. Ewok trails were all great as was everything from Dawson to the Capilano bridge on the N side of the river. There are the odd spots of water but in general, any trail facing south or west is good to go.
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    Went for a ride last night: As reported, most trails on the North bank of the river are dry. I took the MUT from Rundle footbridge to Dawson. I went into Ewok but turned around at the muckslide - didn't feel like plugging my cleats. Other than that part, Ewok was good - the only muddy spots are usually small enough to bunny-hop.

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    Took Groat Rollercoaster today, and about midway along someone had strung a rope across the trail. It was a fairly thick rope and it was pink, so it wasn't exactly inconspicuous, but it was at throat/face level on one of the turns, so some ******* thought they were being funny.

    Trail was in great shape though, as was victoria secret. Someone has been doing a bunch of trail building on Victoria Secret, and there are a few new lines down there - really buff, but new stuff is always fun.

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    Quick question....Is there any trail maps showing the single-track? I have tried searching the web and I only get the official City of Edmonton stuff. I am going to jump on some group rides, as time permits, to get some exposure to all the trails in the river valley, but would like to have some sort of guide to reference on my own. Thoughts?

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    ^ rivervalley cycle had some, but since they're out of business it looks like the maps aren't online anymore. But luckily I archived them.

    I think these links will work, but let me know if they don't:

    Terwillegar - Rollercoaster - https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3A...MXBLRzM1LTJoQQ
    Terwillegar - Perimeter - https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3A...R1h4UHBUXzlYdw
    Terwillegar - Fireman's - https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3A...dnJxLVY2T05PZw
    Millcreek to Goldbar - https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3A...a3gwSGY4bTBTUQ

    And here's a gps track of one of my longer loops from last year: Goldbar, Hawrelak, Mackinnon, Victoria | Endomondo
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    There is really not much for maps, but depending on the area you have in mind we can point you in the right direction. Some trails are easy to describe and others not so much, but you would have to be relatively familiar with the area to have a chance of the directions to make sense.

    As you already mentioned, joining up with a group ride is the best option for becoming familiar with the river valley trails. Group leaders typically know which trails flow best from one to the next.
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    Thanks for the replies. I did download all the maps you provided, glad you archived them. They will give me and my wife a head-start for sure. My wife joined Dirt Girls this year and will be exposed to a lot of the valley trails with them, as well. Soon as the trails dry out, again, we will get out there.

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    Since we're sharing tracks, I figured I'd include one of my favorites:

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    Rode the Canada Cup course, all over Mill Creek, Routes 1 and 2, and Bobsled on Monday. Trail conditions were prime!

    Depending on how much it rains in the coming days, that could change sadly.. fingers crossed.
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    I noticed on my commute home last night that the big tree across one of the Mill Creek ST trails was finally removed. It was immpassable and you had to hike your bike up to the paved trail to get by.
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    ^ good to hear. There's a lady over by Dawnson bridge that doesn't want to remove her tree blocking the public access so that she can keep everybody out (and enjoy the City waterfront unhindered by cyclists). She might be getting a call from the local bylaw if the tree is still down (it's the tree with the satellite and rock climbing handholds in it). I kind of got into it with her last weekend

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    ^ I'd noticed that one was still there. Is what they've done down there even legal - with all the fencing and landscaping and whatnot? I've always wondered about it.

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    The landscaping is in their yard, but the single track is City property. As it's their tree that fell across City property, it's their responsibility to clear. They just chose not to as they are trying to defer public access. I'll ride by sometime this week and make a call if it's still down.

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    A few years ago the city cracked down on property owners who'd illegally extended their "yards" into public ravines, and I'd always wondered if this was the same thing. But:



    That lot really does extend all the way from the street to the river, which is odd. It's the only one along there, and all the other ones are cut off at the purple line. I guess there must be some weird historical reason for it.

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    Well damn! So if the lot goes ALL the way to the river, then that single track is kind of hooped??

    Edit: yep, that lot goes ALL the way to the bank. Not sure what to do now?

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    ^ out of curiosity I also looked around at a few other river valley properties. The ones that are just east of the Louise Mckinney bridge at the top of the northbank also go all the way to the water - even though there's a paved MUP running through there. So the city must have some sort of agreement, but who knows what the terms are?

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    What to do? Build a ladder bridge over the offending tree, of course!
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    I actually suggested that to the property owner (I suggested plywood) but she was concerned that it'd be too hard for the seniors to get up and over the tree. All BS I think, she just wants people off her yard.

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    Well, I've been doing the Cx bike shuffle the last while....commuting mostly, but some longer training-ish rides for the big Ride this summer. Not sure if anyone here was with the group of 3 that I saw coming out of the Mill Creek MUT south of 76th on Friday, but if so: "hi!"

    I've got some sleuthing to do on the DT...little bit of a click, but Dusty Bottoms on the Knolly board has set me up with a good checklist of things to go through to track down the source.

    Also, on the Ride front, I've passed the $5k mark (woohoo).
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    Hardcore ride last night was fantasic - trails were firm but tacky and next-to-no mud which screams FAST! Keeping up on the single speed was a challenge but it sure was good to be out. The Mill Creek ST on the west bank that north of the pool is still very muddy - we completely avoided the area but almost everything else was good to go! Cambodia still has snow, but it is always one of the last places to dry.
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    This might be a dumb/obvious question, but is there no Canada Cup race in town this year?

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    No, the Edmonton Canada Cup will not be running this year. However, the Royal River Valley Rumble will be taking place on many of those same trails in and around the QE Park/Old Timers Cabin on May long weekend.

    http://www.albertabicycle.ab.ca/uplo...A%20XC%202.pdf
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    ^ thanks. Last year I remember seeing some racers and race markings further east of the cc course, and I didn't know what they were for, but now I do. Although anything scheduled anything outside for the may long weekend is just asking for a smiting from the weather gods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    A few years ago the city cracked down on property owners who'd illegally extended their "yards" into public ravines, and I'd always wondered if this was the same thing. But:



    That lot really does extend all the way from the street to the river, which is odd. It's the only one along there, and all the other ones are cut off at the purple line. I guess there must be some weird historical reason for it.

    The Alberta Municipal Government Act gives public access a minimum of 6 metres from high-water mark on all water ways.
    It can be doubled by the municipality, as was done in 2008 by Calgary for all future development.
    I know this because Thorsby is allowing me to build 6 miles of single-track along the creek and we are anticipating static from one land owner.
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    My friend Josh also came across the rope on Groat Rollercoaster. Rope trap in Edmonton river valley cause for concern | Metro

    If anyone encounters such things, report to the park rangers immediately
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    ^ So I think that picture was actually after I went through, because I snapped the rope in half, untied half, and tossed it down the slope. That left half of it still tied to a tree, but I didn't think that the ****wit who'd done it would go to the bother of retrieving the part I tossed down the hill, and then retieing the whole thing.

    I guess that I was wrong, and now I feel dumb for not being more thorough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri View Post
    I actually suggested that to the property owner (I suggested plywood) but she was concerned that it'd be too hard for the seniors to get up and over the tree. All BS I think, she just wants people off her yard.
    I was lucky enough to chat with the property owner for 20 minutes tonight. She's quite nice and a bright person. She doesn't seem to have any interest in blocking access to the trail, but she is (rightfully) miffed about the reaction of some people to the downed tree - like riding through her garden or yelling at her when she simply states the facts.

    Let's be honest here, it isn't her responsibility to clear that tree, though it would be nice. At the end of the day, nobody can force her to spend the money to clean up a felled tree on her private property (she didn't say this, it's my take.) The best course of action is to dismount, carry your bike over, and get on with life. She doesn't mind that and is actually quite happy to have friendly people going through her yard.

    Diplomacy can go a long way and I'd bet that, if couched correctly, she'd let a team of bikers dispose of it - it's a win-win situation that way. She saves a significant bill, riders get that nice fast section back to it's uninterrupted glory. I think I'll pitch that to her, she seemed very receptive to constructive conversation.

    Oh yeah - the trails are in awesome shape

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    Yeah, since that post I've found out on here that it's her property all the way to the bank, so she's within her rights to do as she pleases. It's not that big of a deal (anymore) and if she chooses to leave her tree down, it's not an issue for me (although it would be cool to have a ladder/staircase up and down on both sides!

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    Hardcore held their first trail maintenance day of the year yesterday on the QE Park trails. Lots of good work done to get the trails ready for the XC race on May 19th. The re-route on Gnome Trail will definitely help flow and eliminates the tight left-then-right double turn with the stump in the middle. There was also a few low trees removed and there is a couple more that should be taken out before the race. Lots of drainage issues were addressed and many bags of garbage were removed.
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    Got out for a good romp through Mill Creek and over to the Capilano boat launch and back. Trails are bone dry, with only one small mud spot in mid-Ewok at the bottom of the washed out multi use trail. Trails are in super fast condition. Rode through the downed tree area by Dawson Bridge. It's a big tree to step over and such a PIA that it's almost better just to avoid the area.

    Mill Creek has one bridge out for maintenance and there's a sink hole in the middle of a multi trail. The big downhill that takes you from the upper to the lower multi over by the huge culvert with the open field and one fire pit - yep, big hole there now in the middle of the multi trail. City crews have it covered and are working on....something. I'm sure Sherijumper will post his pic up here or on his blog if anybody wants to check it out.

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    Just a reminder to anyone riding this long weekend that the Royal River Valley Rumble is taking place in and around the Queen Elizebeth Park on Saturday from 10:00 to about 4:00.
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    Not much in the way of updates with the good weather we've had so far this spring, but the past two days of constant rain have put a damper on the riding.

    Got out tonight and although the Mill Creek ST looks ridable, it's not. 500m of singletrack plus 20km of pavement riding finally equalled a mud-shed bike! Trails are deceptively slimely and muddy. Think Terwilliger mud pack and that's Mill Creek tonight. Another couple of days and it should be good to go.

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    Thanks for the update - the view from my commute this morning gave me the impression that the trails were nice and tacky. I will be out on Saturday afternoon and expect them to mint other than the normal puddle areas.
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    Update: parts of the treasure island trail is washed out into the river down below. What use to be a nice flowing trail along the steep river bank is no more. Sad to see it disappear as this is one of the more challenging trails in the area. There is a piece of the trail that totally dislodged washed out into river down below (with tree and all) its crazy.

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    It has been a while... spent the winter recovering from a fall down the stairs and am just getting back up to speed and the speed is a little slower but yesterday you could not wipe the smile off my face.

    Decided to take a little ride in the river... figured that if I got to deep or fell in that I could use the new whip as a life preserver.







    Figure it will be fun to hit some trails I have been missing and see where this beast cannot go...
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    Very nice, sixty-fiver.

    I love it when the river is this low, and there's all sorts of rock and sand crawling to be had.


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    Got out last night. Lots of bugs on lower Ewok, lots of green foliage slapping the arms, face, etc. Can't wait for autumn! Spring and autumn is where it's at, summer, too much overgrowth. A few mud puddles here and there on lower Ewok, one mud spot on Rowland trail, other than that, all trails are dry.

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    I've got a new puppy, so I'm not getting out nearly as much as I'd like, but it's amazing how quickly all the green stuff has sprung up to choke the trails.

    Speaking of Roland, there's a new lower route that skips the always-muddy hill. It's a nice option, and using it I think I cleared that trail on my SS for the first time.

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    I love that bridge they put in on the lower route!
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    Very nice, sixty-fiver.

    I love it when the river is this low, and there's all sorts of rock and sand crawling to be had.

    I have rolled along the river on the 2.3's on my Blizzard and at my weight they give me pretty good float but there are places that Pug will go that my other bikes can't and makes it almost too easy.

    I need to get down to the forest and revisit my old playground with the Pug and yesterday got the spring checkup done on the Blizzard which is ready for anything you could find here.

    Upgraded a few things on the Pug... having no love for ACS freewheels I picked up a White Industries 18 tooth and will order a 22 tooth WI for my front wheel, added a rack, and trimmed those bars.



    Monday I stopped by Rev to check on some parts then dropped into the valley and had a nice high speed run and then climbed up to the University on the path as it's a really good workout for legs that aren't what they used to be.

    Have been climbing well of late... seem to have taken the lead shot out of my pockets.
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    I'm still kicking around here too....though I've been getting in the longer km's on the road bike vs. the DT. Managed a decent night ride about 2 weeks ago now on the DT.

    Only about a month to go to the Ride to Conquer Cancer, so holiday monday I took my life in my hands and did the Henday from Whitemud/Meridian Street to Manning Drive...total was about 85km...a good ride, but the wind was a bugger. I figure this weekend I'll be breaking out the slicks and swapping saddles on the DT so I am set for the Ride. (Btw, I'm only $700 from the shave the legs milestone).

    65'er...good to see you back on here, good to hear you're healing up too!! That Pug should help the back and who knows, maybe I'll actually see you out there from time to time
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    Heya... Just reported a bike theft in that I saw a couple of guys exchanging cash for a new Kona Jake the Snake CX and a little casual inquiry revelead the buyer knew it was "warm" and that he paid $100.00 for it.

    EPS is looking for the guy as I was not going to do anything radical with this guy's buddies half a block away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho Mike View Post
    I'm still kicking around here too....though I've been getting in the longer km's on the road bike vs. the DT. Managed a decent night ride about 2 weeks ago now on the DT.

    Only about a month to go to the Ride to Conquer Cancer, so holiday monday I took my life in my hands and did the Henday from Whitemud/Meridian Street to Manning Drive...total was about 85km...a good ride, but the wind was a bugger. I figure this weekend I'll be breaking out the slicks and swapping saddles on the DT so I am set for the Ride. (Btw, I'm only $700 from the shave the legs milestone).

    65'er...good to see you back on here, good to hear you're healing up too!! That Pug should help the back and who knows, maybe I'll actually see you out there from time to time
    We should try and hook up for a ride instead of making random passes...

    If you want to get out for some road work I have a new whip for that too... this Proctor was a deal I could not pass up.



    Or I could bring the Moulden MX (monster cross) which is now rocking some slicker tyres... took it out on the TdP last September and it was great over 100 miles.

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    ^ good to hear. There's a lady over by Dawnson bridge that doesn't want to remove her tree blocking the public access so that she can keep everybody out (and enjoy the City waterfront unhindered by cyclists). She might be getting a call from the local bylaw if the tree is still down (it's the tree with the satellite and rock climbing handholds in it). I kind of got into it with her last weekend
    I spoke with her as well and got a completely different story, she said she phoned the city and they refused to cut it up because her property line runs all the way to the river, so she will not be removing it.

    She only kindly requested that we not cut through her yard, and instead climb over it, had no issues she was nice to the group I was with.

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    ^ see my post #121.

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    Flood plains below Kiellor Road are dry. All areas ridable with no mud. River's pretty low.

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    I saw on my Twitter feed there was a large fire in Mill Creek today. Anyone have any details?
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    Three blocks long, but in the Mill Creek that's south of the Whitemud where there's no riding to be had. My mom saw it yesterday, said it was pretty impressive, but didn't have many details other than than.

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    Just noticed that the Edmonton (spring) thread has the distinction of being a sticky.

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    Got out last night with the Hardcore group. Door to door, I logged just under 50km. Hit Patricia ravine for the first time ever and wow, what a great place to ride! Sort of like Rooty Trail but much better. About half the ride was on trails I never knew existed.

    There's a good trail from the new pedistrian bridge over by Fort Edmonton on the norht side by the staircase that leads up to the ravine via singletrack.

    Pinch flatted my pinky finger on a tree (it was a big tree), true to life snake bites on either side of the finger, but no sprain or broken bones.
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    ^ I've never been out there, but I should really make the trip one day after work. Do you know if you stayed in Patricia ravine the whole time, or crossed into Westridge ravine as well?

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    Never made it into Westridge, just Patrica, as far as I know. I asked the group rider and he confirmed that we just stayed in Patricia.

    I don't know if I'd be able to find where we were again on my own, but it was a super nice trail. Sort of like Rooty Trail meets the Mill Creek and Rowland trail combination. I do know that the begining was down by the stair case over by the new pedistrian bridge, and that the trail climbed steadily up and next thing I knew, we were on some chunky single track that had some nice flow to it. Definately worth getting back there and doing some more exploring.

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    I suppose I have to include my own riverbank shot. The weather this week has been fantastic.



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    ^ great photo and great blogpost. Did you actually use a timer for that pic?

    I've ridden my ss 29er in the river a few times, but even keeping it shallow I end up with the disc brakes shrieking like it's the end of the world, and that's usually followed by a couple days of very disconcerting grindy noises.

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    Can anyone tell me where I can find the gnarliest trail in town? As far as I know it's all pretty mellow, mostly rolling, beginner type trails. I have never seen a trail where you can at least do a straight 15 minute climb, at least or at least a 2-5 minute straight descent..

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    Is there anywhere to park close to patricia and westridge ravine? Never been to there before and I'd like to go check it out. Or else how do i get there on a bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon777 View Post
    Can anyone tell me where I can find the gnarliest trail in town? As far as I know it's all pretty mellow, mostly rolling, beginner type trails. I have never seen a trail where you can at least do a straight 15 minute climb, at least or at least a 2-5 minute straight descent..
    Your not going to find too many long climbs unless you drive west for about three hours. The best thing you can do is hill repeats if you want to climb lots. As far as "gnarly" goes there are plenty of areas in the river valley that are technical and challenging. You just have to know where to look. Go on a club ride or two and you will see...
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    ....technical would be Patricia Ravine, Old Timer's cabin area and Kinsmen area, couple of steep drops into Hawrelak Park from street level, McKinnon Ravine, etc. It's all relative, though. For some guys, it's a ride in the park, for others it's a white knuckled affair.

    Best bet is to join up with a local group ride (Hardcore, United Cycle, Redbike, etc) to see what's really out in the river valley. You're obviously been exposed to the easy stuff, it's the harder stuff that is tucked away that you need to ride and experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon777 View Post
    Can anyone tell me where I can find the gnarliest trail in town? As far as I know it's all pretty mellow, mostly rolling, beginner type trails. I have never seen a trail where you can at least do a straight 15 minute climb, at least or at least a 2-5 minute straight descent..
    I think you are asking for 3 different things

    Technical trails? Lots of them - as others have mentioned, join up with a club and get out on group rides if you want to be exposed to Edmonton's best. Cambodia is definitely one of the most challenging trails if you think everything else is too tame.

    Long climbs? The river valley isn't a mountain - you can climb from the bottom to the top, rinse and repeat. Head out to Sun Ridge for toughest climbing. Here is the tech guide for the July race there. The red section on the map is what I am referring to http://pedalheadedm.com/news&product...ch%20Guide.pdf

    Fast descents? Again, there are no mountains so the best you can do is from the top to the bottom of the river valley. As for fun downhillish type runs, check out Bobsled in McKinnon ravine. Beyond that, Rowland/Riverside/McNally/upper ewok/super D connector. Some climbing in between but it has a ton of short downhill sections that allow you to carry momentum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gord962 View Post
    Cambodia is definitely one of the most challenging trails if you think everything else is too tame.
    I completely forgot about the hell trail! Once was enough for me!

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    With the melting in the mountains, the river level has gone from 3m to 5m over the last few days. Could be an interesting week.

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    Yeah, some warnings about the rising river are in the papers today. River still looked low last night, though.

    Great riding conditions last night. All the rain has hardly impacted the trails at all given that they were so dry to begin with. Couple of mud puddles here and there, but nothing major.

    Horse poop on the flood plains below Kiellor Road and along the single track the follows the river up to the pedistrian bridge. Some big horse hoof prints too, but nothing too bad. Horses definately impact the trails more than our tires.

    Lots of girls in skin tight clothing and iPods blasting their ears in the trails last night. Seriously, what's the point of a bell when they can't hear you anyways because their music is too loud to hear over anyways?

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    You lost me at lots of girls in skin tight clothing.

    Pics please!
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    Of course, Melton Ravine is always a good challenge too...but again, we're river valley riding here...not going to get super long climbs or descents. For a good climb (if you don't mind the asphalt), you could always go up 105 Street from Walterdale Bridge to the ATCO building.
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    Yeah, that's not how a sentence beginning with "Lots of girls in skin tight clothing..." should end. How about some trail locations, so the rest of us can be annoyed by them too?

    I didn't think the river was high yesterday, but this morning it was noticeably up, with turbulence forming off the bridge piers, and a lot more debris. Still nothing like last june, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    ^ great photo and great blogpost. Did you actually use a timer for that pic?

    I've ridden my ss 29er in the river a few times, but even keeping it shallow I end up with the disc brakes shrieking like it's the end of the world, and that's usually followed by a couple days of very disconcerting grindy noises.
    Thanks for the kind words. No timer on the pic, just patience.

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    If you're going to go for a wet ride, might as well do it during the middle of a downpour and be soaked within five minutes so that you can enjoy the rest of the ride!

    River's getting pretty high:





    Spoke at length with Tanya and she's thankful that her property issues are well publicized here and she's seen a much better attitude from the public now that the word is out. It was absolutely pouring when I took the picture, the streaks are rain drops:



    Waffle break:



    A bit too high to bunny hop:



    Nobody in sight:



    Foggy glasses or mud in my eye? Tried both ways, went with foggy glasses:



    Under Capilano bridge:



    Lower Ewok, yeah, turned around as pure slick greasy mud:



    Multis all good to ride, single track all crap to ride, nobody out and pretty warm all things considered.

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    Got out tonight with Hardcore's group ride. Old Timer's Cabin - some puddles but all good to go. East Kinsmen, all good to go. Rooty Trail - couple of real slick puckering areas, but all ridable and most of it is surprisingly good. Dog Park down by the zoo - all the trails are in great shape. Equine Centre area - about 25% slick mud, the rest is tacky and good.

    Given all the rain we had, the trails are in real good shape.

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    Just wanted to say hi! I just found this forum! Nice to get the names to many of the trails I ride... I've pretty much spent the last several rainy days looking over the recent Edmonton threads...

    Also, you've helped me find a trail I never realized is right out my front door pretty much - Victoria's Secret! Who knew there was a trail tucked back in there!!

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    Hey feeps. Yeah, Victoria's Secret and the Groat Road Rollercoaster are pretty awesome for Oliverians. The middle section of Victoria's Secret has changed quite a bit recently, because one of the guys from Pinkbike has been adding a bunch of new jumplines.

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    Has anyone here or elsewhere ever made a effort to map out all the single track into one source?

    Has anyone ever done the trail from Science Park to Goldbar? I tried it earlier this year before the leaves started overtaking the trails... There's some guy building a bunch of wooden track back there, but be careful, its not so well built. Quite the track though...

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    Update time for me...

    The Ride to Conquer Cancer is only 11 days away and the DT is now in "road form" (i.e. slicks and steepened geometry). I've managed a phenominal amount of fund raising this year ($7,375) and am only $125 from hitting a milestone where I promised to go roadie and shave my legs (yikes! btw).

    With the Ride, I haven't been out as much on the trails, but the MUTs I've been hitting have been in pretty decent shape

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    Has anybody been out to Terwillegar in the last day or two? From what I remember the rollercoaster there gets pretty muddy after rainfall... In fact I've only ever been there when it was muddy. I'm going to be in the area and want to check it out but it seems extra dependent on good weather.

    I'll second jkirkpatri's vote for Patricia being one of the most technical trails in town, especially the second half of the downhill; tons of heavily rooted descents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feepa View Post
    Has anyone here or elsewhere ever made a effort to map out all the single track into one source?

    Has anyone ever done the trail from Science Park to Goldbar? I tried it earlier this year before the leaves started overtaking the trails... There's some guy building a bunch of wooden track back there, but be careful, its not so well built. Quite the track though...
    Yup - that's called Cambodia. The northshore fixtures have been there for many years, some has been replaced and updated, others haven't. Usually the older stuff is blown down so not much left that is over 3 or 4 years old, to my knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HankMcCoy View Post
    Has anybody been out to Terwillegar in the last day or two? From what I remember the rollercoaster there gets pretty muddy after rainfall... In fact I've only ever been there when it was muddy. I'm going to be in the area and want to check it out but it seems extra dependent on good weather.
    If Terwillegar is muddy it is definitely an area to avoid. The mud there worse than anywhere else in town as far as clogging up your wheels. A fair bit of work has been done on improving drainage on most Terwillegar trails so I suspect that the golf course/rollercoaster trail should be good to go. The bottoms might be wet but most of them have logs in the bottom now to reduce the pounding those mud holes used to take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gord962 View Post
    If Terwillegar is muddy it is definitely an area to avoid. The mud there worse than anywhere else in town as far as clogging up your wheels. A fair bit of work has been done on improving drainage on most Terwillegar trails so I suspect that the golf course/rollercoaster trail should be good to go. The bottoms might be wet but most of them have logs in the bottom now to reduce the pounding those mud holes used to take.
    Now you tell me!!!! I went yesterday morning, only my third time riding there. The majority of the trails could be done, but there were lots of holes to wheelie through. Then, on the return trip down Roller Coaster, I found a stretch of clay that just ended a good time. Just tacky enough to turn my Slayer into a Fat Bike.....Uggh! I will definitely avoid that place for at least a few days after a rain.

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    Got out yesterday for a good three hour, 45km+ ride. Some highlights:

    On the way to Keillor Road:



    Lower flood plains of Keillor Road area flooded. Where there was a path a week ago, there be a river now:



    Coolest bridge in town:



    Patricia Ravine in the background:



    Lost in Patricia Ravine. Could not find the singletrack I was on as part of a group ride two weeks ago. Maybe I'll find it next time....


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