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    Suggestions for light XC tires that aren't too skinny?

    Anyone have some suggestions for light XC tires that aren't 1.8" or anything? I have a pair of Kendas, they are really light but a little narrow for my liking. I used to run Continental Dual (Double?) fighters, the black sides, grey middles. I like semislicks, but would also like suggestions for lighter knobbies for wetter conditions. Any thoughts much appreciated (and where to get for a good deal, if anyone is selling, etc., is a plus). Thanks.

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    Here's something that's worked great for me...

    Front tire-Schwalbe Racing Ralph, Rear-Python Airlight. Both tires are a true 2.0, lightweight, fast-rolling XC tire. Good for hardpack to semi-loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canuck Doc
    Anyone have some suggestions for light XC tires that aren't 1.8" or anything? I have a pair of Kendas, they are really light but a little narrow for my liking. I used to run Continental Dual (Double?) fighters, the black sides, grey middles. I like semislicks, but would also like suggestions for lighter knobbies for wetter conditions. Any thoughts much appreciated (and where to get for a good deal, if anyone is selling, etc., is a plus). Thanks.
    How wet? The Racing Ralphs are OK. Conti Explorer Pro (or Supersonic) may be the best light tire for sort of muddy conditions.
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    As for your conditions, I think that something like the IRC Mythos tires may actuall work fairly well for you in the 2.1 or even 1.95 size. The Conti Explorers and Shiggy has suggested would probably also work well except that they can pack up with mud as I've seen on my friend's bike while riding in the Boulder area before. He seems to like the Tioga Factory XC for the rear now, but still uses a Conti up front...

    As for me, I have a similar dilema now, but my conditions currently are the exact opposite of yours...

    I'm now looking for a fairly light tire that can do well in rocks and gravel I've been using Mosquitos or Scorpions in front with Pythons in back for a while now, but I really miss the old Specialized Ground Control S tires of the mid-'90s. Those had great grip, floated over sandy washes, could take the sharp rocks weighed 550g and were a true 1.95 size.

    As my Hutchinson tires have worn, I'm starting to worry about sidewall cuts as a regular problem now. One of my rear Pythons finally got a big gash in it that could never have been sealed by sealant. I'm going tubeless now, so I'm wondering if there is really a tire under 600g that will work well for my conditions and still provide good cush for my steel hardtail through the AZ summer... I really love the floaty feel of the 2.0 Hutchinsons--especially on a hardtail. I'm more than willing to go into the 550g+ range if necessary.

    Any suggestions out there?

    ***Just a side note: Duckman has turned me on to the Racing Ralph 2.25s, but he thinks the sidewalls may be even thinner than the Python's. The NBX 2.1 also looks interesting, but it is over 600g. Are these the only possibilities? Maybe Explorer ProTection?


    Quote Originally Posted by Canuck Doc
    Anyone have some suggestions for light XC tires that aren't 1.8" or anything? I have a pair of Kendas, they are really light but a little narrow for my liking. I used to run Continental Dual (Double?) fighters, the black sides, grey middles. I like semislicks, but would also like suggestions for lighter knobbies for wetter conditions. Any thoughts much appreciated (and where to get for a good deal, if anyone is selling, etc., is a plus). Thanks.
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    Conti Vapor

    I use the continental Vapor Protection in SoCal and like it a lot for training. Rolls well (not like NBX or Racing Ralph, but better than a Panaracer), wears well, and so far has been extremely durable. It does pack up with the sticky clay mud we occasionally get here. I like it alot for hardpack where you really need to trust your tire - traction can be a very binary thing. I'll also plug the RR, which is the most predictable tire I've ever used and so far has been very durable on some pretty nasty rocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ-X
    As for your conditions, I think that something like the IRC Mythos tires may actuall work fairly well for you in the 2.1 or even 1.95 size. The Conti Explorers and Shiggy has suggested would probably also work well except that they can pack up with mud as I've seen on my friend's bike while riding in the Boulder area before. He seems to like the Tioga Factory XC for the rear now, but still uses a Conti up front...

    As for me, I have a similar dilema now, but my conditions currently are the exact opposite of yours...

    I'm now looking for a fairly light tire that can do well in rocks and gravel I've been using Mosquitos or Scorpions in front with Pythons in back for a while now, but I really miss the old Specialized Ground Control S tires of the mid-'90s. Those had great grip, floated over sandy washes, could take the sharp rocks weighed 550g and were a true 1.95 size.

    As my Hutchinson tires have worn, I'm starting to worry about sidewall cuts as a regular problem now. One of my rear Pythons finally got a big gash in it that could never have been sealed by sealant. I'm going tubeless now, so I'm wondering if there is really a tire under 600g that will work well for my conditions and still provide good cush for my steel hardtail through the AZ summer... I really love the floaty feel of the 2.0 Hutchinsons--especially on a hardtail. I'm more than willing to go into the 550g+ range if necessary.

    Any suggestions out there?

    ***Just a side note: Duckman has turned me on to the Racing Ralph 2.25s, but he thinks the sidewalls may be even thinner than the Python's. The NBX 2.1 also looks interesting, but it is over 600g. Are these the only possibilities? Maybe Explorer ProTection?
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    I assume you are looking for a lightweight resolution to your problem. I run the Nokian NBX lite in the back with the Schwalbe Racing Ralph 2.1 in the front. They both weigh in at 470 grams. You will have a hard time finding something with some grab in loose conditions that will go any lighter than this pair. Go tubeless and your traction in the wet stuff will increase even more and you'll save some weight as well.

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    Bontrager Super-X

    I've got Bontrager Super-X's on my race bike.

    They are fast, come in 2.1's for 550g and have good traction.

    I got rid of some wire bead 1.9 Nanoraptors that were OEM on my bike, and the difference is amazing. The last racecourse had 8 miles of sand, and they grabbed the whole way at 40psi.

    I need to find another pair. They are way better than the Bonty SS's that I had on my last bike.

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    The Schwable Jimmy Lights are a good tire for your ap maybe. Its about the same volumn as a Conti Explorer Pro, but has taller wider knobs. They clean better/quicker when spun up. Rolls fast for a knobby, and weighs under 500gms(check WWs, as they show 5-6 being between 460 and 495gms). Prob my fav knobby. I tend to run it in the back, with an Explorer Pro up front...like ATM.

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    The Racing Ralgh 2.25 compared to a 2.0 Python Airlight. About 500gms. Love this tire. The 2.1 is around 450gms. Prob my fav of the 2 sizes. Next race I'm running a rr Conti Twister SS, and frt 2.1 RR. I swear once inflated, these tires stretch and get bigger as time goes by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorJD
    Front tire-Schwalbe Racing Ralph, Rear-Python Airlight. Both tires are a true 2.0, lightweight, fast-rolling XC tire. Good for hardpack to semi-loose.
    I would reverse the order. RR rolls very nice, but does not work well in front IMO.

    For the stated purpose I run Racing Ralph rear, BlackJack front. Black Jack is not the very lightest, but it rolls very well, and corners just awesome. Makes you go faster.

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    Are those the Karma DTC's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canuck Doc
    Anyone have some suggestions for light XC tires that aren't 1.8" or anything? I have a pair of Kendas, they are really light but a little narrow for my liking.
    Were those Kendas you have the Karma DTCs? Those are pretty high volume for such a light tire, and is wider than a Racing Ralph 2.1. They seem to weigh between 450 and 480 grams. You won't find any larger volume at that weight. If they aren't the Karma DTC's, you might try them.

    The Racing Ralphs are somewhat hard to come by right now. Hopefully they will be more readily available (and at a reasonable price) soon. You can get them now, but it'll cost you. The DTC's are pretty reasonable.

    Those recommending the Nokian NBX lites should point out that they are very skinny tires, since that was one of the criteria of the question, but its almost unanimous that they "ride bigger than they are" and are very good tires among those who use them. I have not yet tried them.
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    Duck: How do the Jimmy Lights and the 2.1 RR compare in size to the Hutchinson 2.0s? How does the Jimmy compare to the Mosquito in rolling resistance and overall performance (grip, float, etc.).

    Thanks for owning so many different tires!

    Quote Originally Posted by Duckman
    The Schwable Jimmy Lights are a good tire for your ap maybe. Its about the same volumn as a Conti Explorer Pro, but has taller wider knobs. They clean better/quicker when spun up. Rolls fast for a knobby, and weighs under 500gms(check WWs, as they show 5-6 being between 460 and 495gms). Prob my fav knobby. I tend to run it in the back, with an Explorer Pro up front...like ATM.

    The Racing Ralgh 2.25 compared to a 2.0 Python Airlight. About 500gms. Love this tire. The 2.1 is around 450gms. Prob my fav of the 2 sizes. Next race I'm running a rr Conti Twister SS, and frt 2.1 RR. I swear once inflated, these tires stretch and get bigger as time goes by.

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    Hmmm...lets see...

    The Jimmys are more old school-ish sorta. Meaning smaller volumn like the Contis. The RRs are much bigger, even tho they both say 2.1 on the side. The RR 2.1s are about as wide as the 2.0 Hutch ALs, but a touch lower profile maybe. Still ride good compared to the old school stuff for sure(almost exactly like a Comp S lite in volumn when I compared them..yes, I have 4 of those). The RR are the new "Evolution" series and are billed as a whole diff. carcas design FWIW. All kinds of amazing claims.

    I have 5 friggin Mosq Golds, 2 std ALs, 3 Python ALs, 2 Golds, 2 in UST...someone...help...me...

    I've always liked the Mosqs cause they work just about everywhere despite being a mud specific tire. In fact, I raced them the most last year. Roll sorta fast...great volumn...don't packup as bad in clay. But, the front gets kinda busy sometimes on hardpack corners, and I feel they don't roll all that fast when compared to the speedsters out there. The Jimmys roll faster to me, feeling sorta like when I run my 2 front pattern 2.1 Mythos, which I have one up front on my HT ATM, with a Python RL in the rr. heheheh. The Jimmys grip better then the Mosq. No question. The only place I sorta watch'm, is say an off camber hardpack corner and I have one mnted up front. Those tall knobs will understeer a touch at those times, but I've had no probs when this has happened, as I almost had to make it do it, just to see. Very easy to "bring it back" for those few instances. The RRs shine on offcamber stuff. Bigtime. VERY predictable when cornering on hardpack to loose=rail city. Makes one feel alittle more invincable sorta kinda, ya know? At least with me. I can push it hard up front...finally lose the front...and bring it back...over and over, and never raise an eyebrow in the process. Thats what I like...a tire I can push the limits and come back time after time with no bad things going on in the meantime. This=fast on the race course, at least for me, especially when I'm getting tired during the later stages of the race. Oh yeah, despite the thin feeling sidewalls when felt with my hand, I have no rolling off the rim feeling that the Comp S lites do, or even either Hutchy tires if they are a tad too low psi for a given weight. Did I mention I love my RRs?

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    Kenda Klimax Lite, actually (1.95's)

    I'm running Kenda Klimax Lites 1.95, supposedly 345g each (is that accurate?). I rode them today for a long ride, mostly hard-pack singletrack (mostly what I ride) with some killer climbs with loose dirt. If I positioned well, the climbing was fine. I actually didn't have too much of a problem with them today (first time riding them, I had previously ridden the Kenda Kosmics? (the first sub-400g tires, a few years back) and hated them, so I was leery.

    I should clarify: I prefer semislicks front and rear for hardpack singletrack (most of my riding), and knobbies if I go to a course/place that is sandy/loose, or conditions are wet. I was looking for advice for both - ie. two separate styles of tires. I typically run 55psi in my tires.

    Two more questions: Does anyone have experience with the Kenda Klimax Lites 1.95's - are they decent, do they wear well, etc.?

    Also, I've toyed with the idea of switching to Stan's system. I am using American Classic wheels (non-tubeless), can I use the Stan's system with the Kendas I have, or any other tires I would consider (including my old Conti Double fighters)? How much weight would I save? I normally run 1" tubes (light if I can find them) that are 90g or less anyway, and at 55psi, I very rarely flat (maybe once every two years, despite riding multiple rides every week spring, summer and fall).

    Thanks for all the responses, looking forward to hearing further from you guys.

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    Got those too. Light as hell, and "feel" fast, especially going up. Roll relatively slooooow tho. Small tire, and not the best for descents by any means. One of my least favorite tires. I'd say run some Conti Twister SSs if your gonna run some 340gm tires. Yes, those KlimaxLites actually run in the 330s gms if I remember right at WWs. Raced them once.
    In contrast, I like the 450gm Karma's, altho as a front on loose, they're more like a Python on 'loose over hardpack'. Skittery sorta. Big volumn...roll FAST. Make a better rear then front, but rock on pure hardpack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckman
    Hmmm...lets see...

    Did I mention I love my RRs?

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    So (basically) this sums up that entire post, Duck...

    Which Ralph is the best all around tire, rolling resistance, grip, sand, mud, whatever. It there a reason you keep both the fat 2.25 AND the 2.1 around, or do you just have them because you wanted to try both out?

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    LOL!! Um...seems that way, eh?

    I got both sizes and some Jimmy Lights cause they were part of that deal from Ediscountbike.com. $12.99 per, so I loaded up with'm.

    If I had to choose, I'd pick(meaning I could only keep 1 set) the 2.1s everytime, for your "average" race/ride and assuming the conditions point to such a tire(ie. Karma, Comp S variant, Python, yada yada). They are a perfect rep of your classic race tire, being right in that sweet middle of everything...weight...volumn...profile...and excel in all the traits we like in a tire..speed, spinup, predictability, and traction. But, I like what the 2.25s offer when its bigass rolls over anything everything. It has its speed and comfort benefits(a trait that did not go unnoticed when I was in the saddle all day for 59 tough Pisgah miles in that death march race last Sat week)for sure when called upon, say a very rough race but fast course. Just before that at a Ga champ series race, I ran a 2.25 front and a 2.1 rear. Loved it for the race(toughass course)and got to the podium in my Sport class. Hot damn. I build the race bike up for each race, and this is just part of it I guess. Just having fun is all.

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    It looks more and more like the RR 2.25s are the ones for me for now. Still worried about thorn/cactus punctures and sharp rocks, but I guess I'll try them and we'll see...

    Thanks Duck. Looks like I'll still be able to have a cushy, floating hardtail with increased traction to boot...Now, I've just got to actually find some... DirtBoy is checking stock for me as we speak!

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    Hey guys, anybody had tried the Maxxis Flyweight, they claim that it's light as 330gr...How does this thing ride???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canuck Doc
    Two more questions: Does anyone have experience with the Kenda Klimax Lites 1.95's - are they decent, do they wear well, etc.?
    I have been using Klimax Lites front and rear for two seasons. I experimented a lot with various air pressures in the first season and discovered that the lower the pressure, the better they work. I now run 40psi front and rear.

    Here in the high desert of Nevada, most everything is hardpack, and the Klimaxes work well in these conditions. My biggest gripe with them is that they slice into sand and gravel and get downright scary. This season I am trying out a Maxxis Minotaur 380 in front, keeping the Klimax in the back. Only a few rides on this combo so far, so I'll have to reserve judgement.

    As for weight, my Klimaxes weighed 346 and 347 when new.

    As for durability, well, I haven't put that many miles on them (you know--kids, wife, home improvement, job, and all those other distractions collectively known as "life"), but they seem to be holding up well: knob height still decent, no ripped-off knobs, no sidewall cuts.

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    Oh how soon they forget.... Hutchinson Scorpion Elite Gold 2.0s (real width is about 2.2 over the treads), around 540g-550g each.

    Also for tires with real width/volume, the Ritchey Motovader 2.25 foldables (I run the WCS version as its got the lower durometer rubber than the Pro version) are about 600g for a REAL 2.25" width tire, that rolls quite well.

    The Schwalbe Big Jim 2.25s were actually 2.12" (54mm) in tread width with an overall casing width of just a hair over 2" (51mm) on my calipers. That's a tire that's about 600g range. The aforementioned Ritchey's, have a casing width of 52mm and a tread width of 57mm.

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    I'm using, on my GT hardtail, Schwable Little Albert 2.1". Great for the conditions here, hardpack, fire roads and some singletrack. Amazed by how easy they roll compared to my old Velociraptors

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorJD
    Front tire-Schwalbe Racing Ralph, Rear-Python Airlight. Both tires are a true 2.0, lightweight, fast-rolling XC tire. Good for hardpack to semi-loose.
    Put the RR in the back and I'm with you... Python offers a tad more control which you might want at the front, the back only has to follow
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    Michelin?

    I am now using the Michelin XCR Dry for half a year. And they are great! The rolling resistance is the same as a Racing Ralph. But the can handle mud much better. And the are pretty wide. (2.0) but very high. Now in the mud I ride with 1.8 bar. That works realy well.
    And light: 495gram.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    The Schwalbe Big Jim 2.25s were actually 2.12" (54mm) in tread width with an overall casing width of just a hair over 2" (51mm) on my calipers. That's a tire that's about 600g range. The aforementioned Ritchey's, have a casing width of 52mm and a tread width of 57mm.
    I like the Big Jims, they seem to have unlimited amounts of traction. Mine weigh 593 and 560 grams. I use these on my singlespeed where pedal mashing requires lot of grip. I also have pairs of Racing Ralphs in 2.1 (455 and 493g) and 2.25 (~550g), but don't have much experience with them. I've been using a 2.1 RR in front and a 2.0 Fast Fred (347g) in the rear when dry on my geared bike; although I haven't been using that bike much.

    I just realized how old of a post this was. Where did this get pulled up from?

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    Love the Racing Ralphs

    Am using 2.25 rear and 2.4 on the front. That big front tire tracks over anything. (The southern Kettles in WI have a lot of sand.) Tracks well on rocks and roots and provides mucho confidence on the front and yet rolls super fast.
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    me personally,

    I use to always get the IRC mythos (2.1 front, 1.9 back) , then i tried the 2.1 panracer fire whatevers, front and back, and saw a huge difference in grip. i love em!


    IRC are descent for firm packed stuff still, i just cant see myself spending more than 25 bucks a tire for mtb tires, im just a cheap ass
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    I am having good results with a Python gold elite 2.0 for front

    Quote Originally Posted by Canuck Doc
    Anyone have some suggestions for light XC tires that aren't 1.8" or anything? I have a pair of Kendas, they are really light but a little narrow for my liking. I used to run Continental Dual (Double?) fighters, the black sides, grey middles. I like semislicks, but would also like suggestions for lighter knobbies for wetter conditions. Any thoughts much appreciated (and where to get for a good deal, if anyone is selling, etc., is a plus). Thanks.
    and a Panaracer Trailblaster 1.8 for the rear, even with this recent SO Cal rain/mud fest. Was running a matching Python in the rear but as others have stated side wall durability is an issue with Pythons. Also flat repair with these Python Golds are a time consuming pain in the ass but being 90% of my flats and cut side walls have been rear this current set up is better than O.K.

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    I'm a big fan of Michelin Wildgripper Comp S lights....they roll fast and hook up really well in most conditions. They're a bit pricey though.

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