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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Magura Marta SL Magnesium <300g!

    Target under 300g!
    brakelever housing and caliper made from magnesium, the lever still carbon.



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    Nice, so they can re take the lightest brake title from Hope then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EGF168
    Nice, so they can re take the lightest brake title from Hope then?

    probably, but we have no confirmed weight so far.
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    Nice weight, thought that lever looks a tad skimpy... wouldn't want to crash on it.

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    That looks awesome! And, no less fragile than other lightweight goodies I love
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhsavery
    Nice weight, thought that lever looks a tad skimpy... wouldn't want to crash on it.

    every lever , carbon or alu or wood or marble , never liked to hit terrain....

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    Hopefully, Magura would now re-take the crown from Hope... With the advent of their Mg brake system...

    This is interesting!
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    There was no need to scare potential buyers and burn bridges "buddy"
    Tell me now, what's Product testing all bout then?

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    the question is, is it sub 300 grams with the disc on the picture, if so, there is some room for shaving of atleast 30 grams per rotor

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliflap
    every lever , carbon or alu or wood or marble , never liked to hit terrain....

    My Oro Puros have crashed hard many times, the lever brakes away, snaps right back into place.
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    does anyone know when they will be available?

    you can probably save more weight if you remove the powder coated finish

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    Quote Originally Posted by mx_599
    you can probably save more weight if you remove the powder coated finish

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    And replace it with heavily oxidized magnesium, they'll constantly get lighter the longer you own them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    And replace it with heavily oxidized magnesium, they'll constantly get lighter the longer you own them.
    i didn't think of that

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    beat hope?
    I think the lightest OEM brakes where the old formula B4SL...
    my old 140mm setup was 308g with formula rotor and around 274 with stans rotor

    will this magura have the same problem with magnesium making oil dirty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by STS
    beat hope?
    I think the lightest OEM brakes where the old formula B4SL...
    my old 140mm setup was 308g with formula rotor and around 274 with stans rotor

    will this magura have the same problem with magnesium making oil dirty?
    Hope mono mini pro is sub 300 already

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltazar
    Hope mono mini pro is sub 300 already
    And with a 160mm steel rotor at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Some Guy
    And with a 160mm steel rotor at that.

    Swap it with stans and they are even less.

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    Hve they been released yet?

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    From what i heard there is an issue with the magnesium caliper so its no longer magnesium just plain alloy - hence its heavier.

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    Wouldn't that make it just a marta sl?

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    There is some issues with the manufacturing process. Magnesium is a very tough material to work with and Magura had to go back and do some retooling. I will check with my contact but as far as I know they should be out in Feb or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EGF168
    Nice, so they can re take the lightest brake title from Hope then?
    Maybe lighter than Hope, but, not than Formula's new R1 at 270 gr (claimed) we will have to wait to see production real weights.

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    Magura says late Feb 2009 for those...

    Email from Justin at Magura:

    "It sounds like your shop may have been talking about the 09 Marta Magnesium, it will not be available until late February. Have a great day!!

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    double post
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    Interesting, the Magura website is listing the Marta SL Magnesium as having a magnesium master cylinder, and an alloy caliper, where the Marta SL master cylinder and caliper are both forged aluminium. The description talks about a 295gm system but the specs talk about them starting at 312gms. It sounds like they may have changed the plan as they talked about a magnesium caliper when it was introduced.

    Marta SL Magnesium

    The completely new developed Marta generation comes with a new flagship, the Marta SL Magnesium. The name speaks volumes. By using high-strength , forged magnesium for the master (brake lever) , the spearhead of the Marta line features a weight of just 295 grams!

    Open hydraulic disc brake system with completely integrated reservoir. New: EBT technology for superfast and convenient bleeding. Dual piston fixed caliper with automatic pad wear adjustment in a smart one piece design for maximum stiffness. Pad wear thickness can be checked without removal of the pads. Awesome looking SL rotor in a wave design for improved cooling. Featherlight 2-finger carbon fibre lever blade with integrated reach adjust. New: Improved lever kinematics and mud protection. Dual Docking: Trigger shifters can be mounted both inside and outside the brake lever.

    Available in February 2009 only!

    Biker profile: Enduro, All Mountain, XC Race, X-Country

    Weight (in grams): from 312 grams/0.69 lbs. onwards (depending on rotor size)

    Brake system: full hydraulic disc brake, open system with reservoir

    Material brake lever/caliper: Aluminium cold forged, magnesium


    Marta SL

    When it comes to superlight disc brakes there has been one benchmark over the past six years: MAGURA Marta SL ! Minimum weight, combined with unmatched power, modulation and performance. Our word that the new generation combines all these guts again and features a bunch of finements!

    Open hydraulic disc brake system with completely integrated reservoir. New: EBT technology for superfast and convenient bleeding. Dual piston fixed caliper with automatic pad wear adjustment in a smart one piece design for maximum stiffness. Pad wear thickness can be checked without removal of the pads. Awesome looking SL rotor in a wave design for improved cooling. Featherlight 2-finger carbon fibre lever blade with integrated reach adjust. New: Improved lever kinematics and mud protection. Dual Docking: Trigger shifters can be mounted both inside and outside the brake lever.

    Biker profile: Enduro, All Mountain, XC Race, X-Country

    Weight (in grams): from 335 grams/0.73 lbs.onwards (depending on rotor size)

    Brake system: Full hydraulic disc brake, open system with reservoir

    Material brake lever/caliper: Aluminium cold forged
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    email from Magura 08.12.08:

    Hello culturesponge

    the production start for Marta Magnesium is planned for february.

    In the last yoear most customers used the standart straight hose for spezialized frames with brain. This year we have a new option. You may use the 90 ° hose in the bleeding opening. But keep in mind that the hose is more exposed to damage in this position.
    The weight will be around 300 g with srews, 700 mm hose and 160 mm rotor.



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    Does anybody know if it is going to be the beginning or the end of February?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltazar
    Hope mono mini pro is sub 300 already

    Formula R1 is claimed to be 280g. Anyone get those on a scale yet? CRC wants something like $260 per side for them, which is about $100 more than the hopes.

    $200 for 40g diff sorta sucks unless the bike is at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Light-Bikes
    Uberlight levers next to gear indicators?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dinoadventures
    Formula R1 is claimed to be 280g. Anyone get those on a scale yet? CRC wants something like $260 per side for them, which is about $100 more than the hopes.

    $200 for 40g diff sorta sucks unless the bike is at that point.
    here's some pics of the R1...both are postmount so at least the adapter for the rear is missing if i'm not wrong
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    Can't help but to see the somewhat throwback to the B4 plastic lever/MC days in the R1's lever. I've pulled on one. Expect the flex, external, or internal.

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    well...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Can't help but to see the somewhat throwback to the B4 plastic lever/MC days in the R1's lever. I've pulled on one. Expect the flex, external, or internal.
    according to several german magazines that tested bikes with the R1 the brakes are just awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Can't help but to see the somewhat throwback to the B4 plastic lever/MC days in the R1's lever. I've pulled on one. Expect the flex, external, or internal.
    Not sure what you mean there but I know the carbon fiber SL levers don't flex. Nor will any properly-made carbon fiber part. Carbon fiber is very stiff but also light and absorbs vibration when used as a frame material. Flexy? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dinoadventures
    $200 for 40g diff sorta sucks unless the bike is at that point.
    You mean they all aren't?
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    Those with hope rotors (80g each) plus bolts (7g) plus rear pm adapter (25g) makes for

    Front: 255g
    Rear: 290g
    Total: 545g... With 140mm rear -15/20g... 525g total.... Very nice.

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    Does anyone know if they are they going to be selling the R1 with or without rotors?

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    Normally Formula sells brakes without rotors/adapters.

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    Think I'm holding out for the R1's...

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    When will a disc brake set be lighter than a KCNC or Extralite vbrake system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sergio_pt
    When will a disc brake set be lighter than a KCNC or Extralite vbrake system?
    I figure it won't be long now. Especially since most manufacturers are focusing their energies on the disc stuff, and forgetting about the rim brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnozpikr
    Does anybody know if it is going to be the beginning or the end of February?
    apparently they will be available around February 6th, not certain about stateside.

    ...its the last componant needed for my S-Works Stumpjumper build - i'm fed up waiting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sergio_pt
    When will a disc brake set be lighter than a KCNC or Extralite vbrake system?
    Do not forget the extra material on the rim and studs and reinforcement on the fork and frame when comparing.

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    V's

    Quote Originally Posted by sergio_pt
    When will a disc brake set be lighter than a KCNC or Extralite vbrake system?
    that will be hard to beat

    levers: 38g
    brakeset: 158g
    add about 50g for cables
    Total: 246g

    @Curmy:
    you have about the same added weight for discbrakes....postmount adapters on forks and rear adapter on frames...i'd say this is about equal. BUT latest disc-rims got quite a bit lighter than V-brake rims. there's an advantage for discs now. But hubs and spoke count are still in favour of V's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nino
    @Curmy:
    you have about the same added weight for discbrakes....postmount adapters on forks and rear adapter on frames...i'd say this is about equal. BUT latest disc-rims got quite a bit lighter than V-brake rims. there's an advantage for discs now. But hubs and spoke count are still in favour of V's.
    Few people if any will shave disk mounts from forks, and I have not recently seen any with V-brakes only. Same about most good frames. I will also pick a lighter, stronger rim over a lighter hub..

    I like Vs, and still use them, but with the actual weight difference for a practical complete system getting into realm of negligible, I think it is time for them to go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Few people if any will shave disk mounts from forks, and I have not recently seen any with V-brakes only. Same about most good frames. I will also pick a lighter, stronger rim over a lighter hub..

    I like Vs, and still use them, but with the actual weight difference for a practical complete system getting into realm of negligible, I think it is time for them to go...
    hmm-please explain:
    you say you prefer a lighter,stronger rim??
    I'd say it is pretty obvious that V-brake rims are still beefier/stronger...therefore also the added weight. i'd definitely say i prefer a stronger rim over a flimsy sub 300g disc-rim with weight limit...

    V-brake hubs are lighter.period

    Frames? ok-half a point to you. but we were talking about the weight difference of these systems and if we do so i also like to go full out.

    i could also continue with saying that you can still use a old-school SID with V's but will have a flexy setup when mated to a disc...discs need a sturdier fork. i'd say we can agree also in here right?

    anyway - V's are lighter and do a good job

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    Quote Originally Posted by nino
    anyway - V's are lighter and do a good job
    No questions. I keep running them. Unfortunately with my weight above 90kg I do hit weight and performance limits on many real lightweight parts anyway, so a lot of the discussion is fairly theoretical for me. Sub 300g brake system per side makes me happy enough.

    As far as rims, I have certainly not done any FEA computations on strengths, but I would expect a rim without a need for a braking surface to be stronger and wider for the same weight. Not sure about that, but the fact is I would have never considered sub 400g rims just a few years ago..

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    Disc vs V-Brake Rim Stiffness

    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    As far as rims, I have certainly not done any FEA computations on strengths, but I would expect a rim without a need for a braking surface to be stronger and wider for the same weight. Not sure about that, but the fact is I would have never considered sub 400g rims just a few years ago..
    You don't really have to do FEA to roughly figure out if one rim is going to be stronger than another. All you need to know is the moment of inertia about the cross section. The taller the rim profile is, the larger the MOI will be and thus the rim will be stiffer. Think of an I-Beam. The reason why an I-Beam is so stiff (in the longitudinal direction) is that most of the material is located as far as possible from the axis that bisects the section.

    If we are to compare a disc specific rim with a v-brake rim then we are generally looking for a taller cross-section, in conjunction with thicker sidewalls. This is going to look most like a box or rectangular cross-section.

    Using the attached pictures, (I added the axes, trying to center them as much as possible).

    Section Width

    Disc Brake -> 23.2mm

    Rim Brake -> 24.4mm

    > -> difference of -1.2mm

    Single Sidewall Thickness

    Disc Brake -> (23.2 - 18)/2 = 2.6mm

    Rim Brake - > (24.4 - 19)/2 = 2.7mm

    > -> difference of -0.1mm

    Cross-Section Height

    Disc Brake -> 18.6mm

    Rim Brake -> 16.9mm

    > -> difference of +1.7mm
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    Well, I'm actually a bit surprised. I would think that the extra sidewall thickness would make the v-brake rim stiffer, but the reality is that the braking surface is located very near the center of the cross-section so it does do as much to increase it's MOI.

    The way Stan has crafted the ZTR Olympic disc rim is to make it a taller section than the ZTR 355, so that it mostly likely has superior stiffness. The flat bottom (vs. curved for the ZTR 355) and the fact that the bridge is located a couple millimeters from the axis is likely to contribute significantly to the MOI.

    Interestingly, the extra section width on the ZTR 355 should contribute to stiffer section in the lateral plane. This should make sense as the rim brakes do load the rim laterally so you would want to optimize the rim for that application.

    In conclusion, buy rims for your application! Disc rims for disc wheels, etc. Also, remember mass does not determine stiffness, it's where the mass is located in relation to the loads encountered that determine the stiffness of a part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nino
    hmm-please explain:
    you say you prefer a lighter,stronger rim??
    I'd say it is pretty obvious that V-brake rims are still beefier/stronger...therefore also the added weight. i'd definitely say i prefer a stronger rim over a flimsy sub 300g disc-rim with weight limit...

    V-brake hubs are lighter.period

    Frames? ok-half a point to you. but we were talking about the weight difference of these systems and if we do so i also like to go full out.

    i could also continue with saying that you can still use a old-school SID with V's but will have a flexy setup when mated to a disc...discs need a sturdier fork. i'd say we can agree also in here right?

    anyway - V's are lighter and do a good job
    Vbrakes are good when not riden in the mud. everywhere else they can beat a disc brake by performance and weight easly. but I'm geting disapointed with frame manufacturers getting lazy to produce v-brake options.

    Disco fever is contagious and I see weightweenies taking weight penalties to get a discbrake system, manufacturers leaving vbrake options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sergio_pt
    everywhere else they can beat a disc brake by performance and weight easly.
    No, I do not think that V-brakes can beat strength and modulation of a 203mm front rotor on my AM bike.

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    I have noticed that this forum about the Magura Marta SL Magnesium has kind of leaned toward the Formula R1 recently. For all you R1 fans, you might find this forum which is specifically about the R1 interesting: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=417405

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    That photo Nino posted shows the Formula R1 at about 350 grams, 80 grams more than the claimed weight!

    So much for me getting a set of those for my Scott Spark weenie project!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveBis
    That photo Nino posted shows the Formula R1 at about 350 grams, 80 grams more than the claimed weight!

    I thought the claimed weight of 270g was for 1 brake, so add ~100g (heavy) to the 168 and you are still under the claimed 270g which is lower than almost anything (stock) out there. I'm looking forward to these brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by civil
    I thought the claimed weight of 270g was for 1 brake, so add ~100g (heavy) to the 168 and you are still under the claimed 270g. I'm looking forward to these brakes.
    You think 100g is heavy for rotor and rotor bolts and mount adapter and mounting bolts? I would say it would be a rather nice weight.

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    Yep, scrub rotors

    I didn't factor in an adapter because I don't use one.

    And who needs bolts? 3 Al bolts should work fine.

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    civil: are you kidding?, 3 al bolts for one whole brake disc?, you better have a good life insurance.
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    Nope, sometimes I even run the front without a disc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batas
    Those with hope rotors (80g each) plus bolts (7g) plus rear pm adapter (25g) makes for

    Front: 255g
    Rear: 290g
    Total: 545g... With 140mm rear -15/20g... 525g total.... Very nice.

    Batas - are you saying use 140mm rotor in rear with R1's?
    Interesting.....

    How would you mount the caliper in the rear - whose adapter would you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckji
    Batas - are you saying use 140mm rotor in rear with R1's?
    Interesting.....

    How would you mount the caliper in the rear - whose adapter would you use?
    Use a 160mm front caliper mounting system on the rear.
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    I would consider the Marta SL Mag's if they came in all-black and actually had some damn modulation, unlike the current Marta SL's.

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    You don't find the Marta SL's modulate well?

    I've got them on three bikes and I like the range of power they have once the pads touch the rotors. They are such good one finger brakes that you can get all the range of clamping pressure you need with that one finger.
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    I've found them to be very on/off. Is there an adjustment of which I am unaware?

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    Use a 160 front caliper mount??
    Sorry, I'm not getting it.

    I would need to go from PM to IS and lower the caliper to get to the 140mm rotor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckji
    Use a 160 front caliper mount??
    Sorry, I'm not getting it.

    I would need to go from PM to IS and lower the caliper to get to the 140mm rotor...
    Just use any IS caliper setup (direct IS or with PM/IS adapter) that will work on a 160mm front rotor, move it to the back and presto, it's sized for a 140mm rotor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinoadventures
    I've found them to be very on/off. Is there an adjustment of which I am unaware?
    There's a lever reach adjustment but that's all. Which pad are you using, the Endurance or Performance version? The performance pads are very quiet and offer lots of modulation.
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    i rolled it with whatever came factory.

    you think i should give them another go? i am really pretty pleased with the Hopes I have now, but I could move those to the Turner.

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    If it's easy enough to change without having to fuss with hoses and bleeding, it's always worth a shot. Try the Performance pads out, they will wear quicker, but not diabolically so.
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    I'd have to go buy another set of Marta's to try it out. If I had them on hand I'd try the pads for sure.

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    The Marta Magnesium brake is very likely to arrive in the 2nd or 3rd week in February. I would reckon that you shuold have yours, if you've already got 1 on order, in the last couple of week of February.
    The small bleed kit is probaly as good a way to bleed this brake as any.

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    I just got an email from magura with regard to when the Marta Magnesiums are finally going to be released. It is the last piece to put on my custom Sewanee and am frustrated waiting for so long for them. I hope they're worth it.


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    I am patiently (that's debatable) waiting for my brakes to come but have a question about them for anybody who may know/ have experience. With regard to new brakes (I have always had a set already installed come with all of my bikes) obviously the hydraulic lines need to be shortened to fit the bike. My question is in regard to the bleeding of them: do they need to be bled after the lines are shortened or is it simply cut, connect to the master cylinder/ lever and you are done?

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    If you're careful you can shorten the hose without needing to bleed them, but it's best to assume that things won't go that well and you will need to bleed them after shortening them.
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    Just plan on bleeding them. If you're lucky/good enough you won't have to, but if you're planning on bleeding the brakes and don't have to you'll be happy. If you were planning on not bleeding them and have to, you'll be pissed.

    I love the feeling of recently-bled brakes anyway....

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    i get marta SL Magnesium in 2/3 weeks shop where i go buy them wil get them this week onlye need w8 on money from my work then i can go get them when i get them i wil post weight of breaks

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    Sweet, I'm really interested in seeing some real weights. Trying hard to decide between these and some R1's.

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    I will hopefully get mine around the same time, but we will see. Are you getting them online or what? USA or Europe? Supposedly they are already out in Europe and on the way to the USA as we speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnozpikr
    I will hopefully get mine around the same time, but we will see. Are you getting them online or what? USA or Europe? Supposedly they are already out in Europe and on the way to the USA as we speak.
    i get from dutch bike shop

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    I would consider the Marta SL Mag's if they came in all-black
    Yes, what's up with al these brake manufacturers. I looks like they all want the most striking brake. I simply want a realy light AND black brake

    It turns out there isn't any. Yes I know I could use the older Marta and buy some carbon levers, but none of the recently released brakes comes in simple black. I could life with the extra grey of the new Marta but if I need to buy carbon levers separate, these brakes would be freaky expensive! The closest I could find is the R1. BUT, how many people want red bolts? I shure don't!

    If every part manufacturer wants to be the most striking, whe will get screaming bikes with all the colors of the spectrum!

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    Quick question... diff between Marta and Marta SL non-magnesium is just the lever, or is there something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis rides Scott
    Yes, what's up with al these brake manufacturers. I looks like they all want the most striking brake. I simply want a realy light AND black brake

    It turns out there isn't any. Yes I know I could use the older Marta and buy some carbon levers, but none of the recently released brakes comes in simple black. I could life with the extra grey of the new Marta but if I need to buy carbon levers separate, these brakes would be freaky expensive! The closest I could find is the R1. BUT, how many people want red bolts? I shure don't!

    If every part manufacturer wants to be the most striking, whe will get screaming bikes with all the colors of the spectrum!
    i upgraded my old black Stans edition Marta's with Goodridge carbon thin wall hoses + alloy connectors, 08 Marta carbon SL levers, TH Ti bolts, Scrub 180mm + 160mm metal matrix rotors and Swiss Stop pads. stopping power/modulation is brilliant + they are probably alot lighter than the 09 Marta's.

    ...seems like beyond bikes still has some Stans Marta's with aluminum rotors.

    i'm chuffing bored waiting for the white/red Magnesium Marta's to be released so i can finish my Stumpjumper build - i have a can of 500º matt black enamel engine paint (normally used for rotors) ready incase they are too pretty.
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    Quick question... diff between Marta and Marta SL non-magnesium is just the lever, or is there something else?
    I believe also titanium bolts for the SL.

    i have a can of 500º matt black enamel engine paint (normally used for rotors) ready incase they are too pretty.
    Yeah, I'm thinking of simple paint the borecap and unreplacable bolt of the R1 black, but this could turnout ugly as well.

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    For the normal to the SL, it's just the carbon lever. No Ti bolts included. Pretty stupid for the extra money. But, worth it if you want/need one of the fancy colors

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    Quote Originally Posted by culturesponge
    i upgraded my old black Stans edition Marta's with Goodridge carbon thin wall hoses + alloy connectors
    That seems interesting - few questions :

    - where did you get the hoses and what is the difference between the Thin wall hoses vs the regular Goodridge hoses?
    - Is the hose stainless steel?
    - Any difficulties installing them?
    - Noticeable difference in performance?

    Thanks
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    [QUOTE=madskatingcow]That seems interesting - few questions :

    - where did you get the hoses and what is the difference between the Thin wall hoses vs the regular Goodridge hoses?

    i've purchased them from several sources, if you need a Marta kit 103, price point has some up for under $30.

    as far as i know thin wall/goodridge are the same thing, thin wall brake line increases the brake fluid pressure..

    - Is the hose stainless steel?

    the re-inforced braiding on the brake hose is SS, if they were completely SS you might need a plumber to install them! aparently with SS connectors they weigh just about the same as standard brake hoses - if you use alloy connecters they are quite abit lighter.

    - Any difficulties installing them?

    none.


    - Noticeable difference in performance?

    brake fluid works much harder for better braking performance all round - better bite, better modulation, and a less fussy brake that doesn't get all iffy if the bike is ever upside down.

    hope that of help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by culturesponge
    apparently they will be available around February 6th, not certain about stateside.
    WRONG!

    Competitive Cyclist today moved their availabilty date for the Marta Mags from tomorrow back to 18/03/09.

    ...i should have tried harder to buy the Marta SL World Cup Ltd Ed.
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    After they are released in Europe it takes 4-6 weeks to get to the US, since it arrives by boat!

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    A local dealer has a set of the worldcup edition's. Personally, not my cup of tea. The WCS flag gives the brakes a cheap look. On the other hand, these should be the lightest config as they have magnesium caliper's & oil reservoir. Due to production problems, the regular magnesium series only have a magnesium oil reservoir, caliper is aluminum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madskatingcow
    A local dealer has a set of the worldcup edition's. Personally, not my cup of tea. The WCS flag gives the brakes a cheap look. On the other hand, these should be the lightest config as they have magnesium caliper's & oil reservoir. Due to production problems, the regular magnesium series only have a magnesium oil reservoir, caliper is aluminum.
    I know that the first batch will be Al calipers, and it will be interesting to see if they can get the tooling corrected so we can have Mag calipers!

    Yes, those colors on the WCS are way to much!

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    According to Magura USA, they are set to arrive in the states in the beginning of March.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madskatingcow
    A local dealer has a set of the worldcup edition's. Personally, not my cup of tea. The WCS flag gives the brakes a cheap look. On the other hand, these should be the lightest config as they have magnesium caliper's & oil reservoir. Due to production problems, the regular magnesium series only have a magnesium oil reservoir, caliper is aluminum.
    madskatingcow please PM with info on your dealer - i'd be insanely happy with the "WCS Pride Edition" brakeset.
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    Go figure, the "special limited world cup edition" is out before the regular production version. I am lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnozpikr
    Go figure, the "special limited world cup edition" is out before the regular production version. I am lost.
    Maybe they think that people will not feel bad about paying extra for early availability if it has some garish kooky graphics on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Maybe they think that people will not feel bad about paying extra for early availability if it has some garish kooky graphics on it.
    They're likely committing the initial production run to the World Cup teams who will be building bikes about now for training for the first race in April, so those 150 kits are likely the surplus from the World Cup runs, just for the keeners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Maybe they think that people will not feel bad about paying extra for early availability if it has some garish kooky graphics on it.
    looks like my payment went though for a set...

    i know my bike will look like i sella de nice icey creams, but i think all the waiting made me softer in the head + looser in the wallet area than usual. its not so bad anyway - my other bike (an S-Works Epic) has 15 Worlds emblems: 3 on the frame, rest on the componants.

    matt black with gloss black graphics + carbon composite levers would be my ideal choice - but at least these are made of magnesium.

    ...my thinking is, get the brakes then i can order plain (non WC Pride) 2009 Marta black res covers - when i get my mits on the brakeset i can finally build my bike.
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    I am so jealous as I am still waiting for my set. Please let us know how they perform though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnozpikr
    I am so jealous as I am still waiting for my set. Please let us know how they perform though.
    thanks, but please don't be jealous. apparently the Mag Marta's should be available in the next week or so - i'll probably be waiting longer for mine to arrive in the post from Belgium.

    i've some upgrades ready for mine lined up, Goodridge hoses + alloy connectors, Scrub 180+160 rotors & Swiss Stop pads - so braking won't be the exactly same as factory issue.
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    Ha, so you ordered them from my local dealer?

    Enjoy the brakes, you'll love them for sure - Marta's are the best!

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    Quote Originally Posted by madskatingcow
    Ha, so you ordered them from my local dealer?

    Enjoy the brakes, you'll love them for sure - Marta's are the best!
    yes! massive thanks for your help.

    lucky for us Roald's a very patient man, next time your there please give him regards from alex & flavia.

    Marta's are brilliant (we'll have 3 brakesets soon 07/08/09) but they really come into their own when you upgrade the brake hose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by culturesponge
    WRONG!

    Competitive Cyclist today moved their availabilty date for the Marta Mags from tomorrow back to 18/03/09.

    ...i should have tried harder to buy the Marta Magnesium World Cup Ltd Ed.
    Those are just Marta SL's and not the Marta SL's Mags. Just spoke with US Magura and they still hope to have a full Mag set sometime! Until then the first run of Marta SL Mags will have an alloy caliper.

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    Any information from them on when they will be available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnozpikr
    Any information from them on when they will be available?
    No definite time as yet, but should be in the next couple of weeks, at least I hope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastajet
    Those are just Marta SL's and not the Marta SL's Mags.
    eh?

    09 Magura Marta SL Mag Ti Disc Brake @ $365.00 .

    https://www.competitivecyclist.com/m...132.508.0.html

    as i said CC changed the availability date from 27.02.09 to 18.03.09 on the 26th.

    CRC (UK) currently have a due date of 31.03.09 for the brakes (Magnesium Marta's)

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