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    Frischy once more Worldchampion....

    cool - he just won again!!!

    (Marathon Worldchampionships in Lillehammer /Norway)
    MTB. Cross Country. Marathon-WM. Elite (109 km):
    1. Thomas Frischknecht (Sz) 3:52:01. 2. Bart Brentjens (Ho) 1:43. 3. Dario Acquaroli (It) 2:50. 4. Peter Riis Andersen (D�) 4:42. 5. Ralph N�f (Sz) 5:58. 6. Karl Platt (De) 6:05. 7. Marco Bui (It) 6:36. 8. Thomas Dietsch (Fr) 6:47. 9. Andreas Kugler (Sz) 7:05. 10. Jader Zoli (It) 8:18. -- Die weiteren Schweizer: 14. Christian Heule 9:24. 19. Sandro Sp�th 10:22. 22. Thomas Girardi 10:52. 24. Thomas Zahnd 11:32. 31. Christof Bischof 12:50. 45. Thomas Spichtig 21:04. 49. Roman Peter 22:26.

    Women (109 km):
    1. Gunn Rita Dahle (No) 4:05:18. 2. Blaza Klemencic (Sln) 1:43. 3. Petra Henzi (Sz) 2:25. 4. Anna Enocsson (Sd) 2:46. 5. Pia Sundstedt (Fi) 4:15. 6. Daniela Louis (Sz) 7:40. 7. Esther S�ss (Sz) 10:56. 8. Irina Kalentjewa (Russ) 10:57. 9. Gretchen Reeves (USA) 11:27. 10. Paola Pezzo (It) 12:18. -- Die weiteren Schweizerinnen: 14. Dolores M�chler-Rupp 18:28.
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    Good to hear,

    Was thinking he was having an off season and as im guessing its one of, if not his last season racing i was sort of bummed out for him.

    But no, hes just won that some i am very happy for him.

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    Dahle was only ~12 minutes slower over 109 km! That is impressive, too.

    Congrats to Thomas and Gunn Rita.
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    yes, but did he ride his carbon tub wheels?

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    Isn't this his first world title that he actually crossed the line first for at the actual event (his other one was awarded several years afterwards when the actual winner admitting to steroid use at the time of his win) ?
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    3rd MTB-title...

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    Isn't this his first world title that he actually crossed the line first for at the actual event (his other one was awarded several years afterwards when the actual winner admitting to steroid use at the time of his win) ?
    no, besides getting the XC-title afterwards in 1996 he was marathon worldchampion in 2003 already.

    his palmares is pretty impressive:
    http://www.frischi.ch/main.htm

    Mountain Bike
    1996 Olympic Silver medallist Atlanta
    2003 Marathon World Champion
    1996 Cross Country World Champion
    4 times Vize World Champion 1990/91/92/2001
    3 times World Cup Champion 1992/93/95
    17 World Cup victories
    1993 European Champion
    2002 World Championship Bronze medallist
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    2000 6th place Olympic Games Sydney
    2002/04 World Championship Bronze Medall
    2004 7th place Olympic Games Athens

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    1988 Junior World Champion
    1991 Amateur World Champion
    1997 Elite Vize World Champion
    1990/92 World Championship Bronze medallist
    1 World Cup victorie

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    1994 winner of 2 stages and points leader GP Tell
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmrun148
    yes, but did he ride his carbon tub wheels?
    Yes Frischy did ride with his carbon tub wheels

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmrun148
    yes, but did he ride his carbon tub wheels?
    Yes Frischy did ride with his carbon tub wheels
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    man that guy has been around for a while. and still winning.

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    And, nino, on disc brakes! ;-)

    Nice win, Bart really wanted this one. Has changed his season layout for this race specifically.

    Dale so close, after so long...amazing. Must have been a unique course that women hardly lose any time. I'd almost thing they had a headstart, but the men's times were shown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    ...Must have been a unique course that women hardly lose any time. I'd almost thing they had a headstart, but the men's times were shown.
    The first U.S. male finisher's time was 1 second faster than the second U.S. woman finisher!

    EDIT: Missed the top US man.

    But top top American man was still just 31 seconds faster than the first American woman.
    Second US man was 1 sec. faster than the 2nd US woman.
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    yeah, because of "tubeless"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    And, nino, on disc brakes! ;-)

    Nice win, Bart really wanted this one. Has changed his season layout for this race specifically.

    Dale so close, after so long...amazing. Must have been a unique course that women hardly lose any time. I'd almost thing they had a headstart, but the men's times were shown.
    Frischy rides his tubulars so he is forced to have discs as on the tubular carbon rims a v-brake would be useless. Frischy is one of the guys who would ride V's forever, believe me. BUT the advantage of his wheels is just too big. just ask Brentjens and Aquaroli who BOTH flatted !!!! maybe someone should tell them that in 2005 there's some nice ways to keep flats away....some guys are just too stupid. Frischy relies on Eclipse Tubelesskits since 2001 and now went a step ahead with his tubulars. if the terrain is too techincal or fast he still rides with Eclipse since the glued on tubulars are still prone to come off the rim in extreme situations.

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    Shorter

    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    The first U.S. male finisher's time was 1 second faster than the second U.S. woman finisher!

    EDIT: Missed the top US man.

    But top top American man was still just 31 seconds faster than the first American woman.
    Second US man was 1 sec. faster than the 2nd US woman.
    Saw a program on norwegian television, where they said that the womens course was shorter than the mens. How much i can't remember, think it was about 5k.

    And it was an amazing race my clubmate Peter Riis Andersen made to finish 4th, his best result so far. In the last split, with 20k to go, he was down in about 10th position and 7.18 behind Frischi, but ended up being only 4.42 behind at the finish. Amazing!
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    Men: 116km - Women: 109km

    Quote Originally Posted by Emil MP
    Saw a program on norwegian television, where they said that the womens course was shorter than the mens. How much i can't remember, think it was about 5k.

    And it was an amazing race my clubmate Peter Riis Andersen made to finish 4th, his best result so far. In the last split, with 20k to go, he was down in about 10th position and 7.18 behind Frischi, but ended up being only 4.42 behind at the finish. Amazing!
    correct - lenghts were:
    Men: 116km
    Women: 109km

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    Cloxxki: on a HT!

    Quote Originally Posted by nino
    correct - lenghts were:
    Men: 116km
    Women: 109km
    they were riding HTs....
    pictured the early leading group with german Karl Platt as the leader...he had a flat at 78km and therefore dropped to 6th at the end...another one that seems unaware of Tubelesskits....just like Brentjens who sits in 2nd in the pic.
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    Nijs uses tubulars with v-brakes

    Sven Nijs, world champion cyclo cross, begian champion mtb and finisher in the top 15 at the european championship mtb, uses mtb tubes ass well. As you can see on the pics, he rides with v's. So Frishi isn't that v-like??

    http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/phot...w&image=542376
    http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/phot...w&image=542377

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    good brakes...

    Quote Originally Posted by tarzan
    Sven Nijs, world champion cyclo cross, begian champion mtb and finisher in the top 15 at the european championship mtb, uses mtb tubes ass well. As you can see on the pics, he rides with v's. So Frishi isn't that v-like??

    http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/phot...w&image=542376
    http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/phot...w&image=542377
    well - it's a well known fact that rims brakes on carbon rims don't perform too well. sweet bike by the way. rigid Pace and all...sweet!! it just shows that all the hype about FS,Discbrakes and suspension in general is exagerrated. my words....

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    here's what Frischy has to say...

    here's what Frischy has to say about the race:

    "It took many many years of racing. Finally I did it!
    The perfect race!
    Not that I haven't won any big races before. But one that goes with no problems, doubts and struggles; one that unfolds just the way I planed it, never happened before.
    Nice that it all came together at a race like the world championships.
    And that's how it unfolded:
    The Birkebeiner marathon in Lillehammer, Norway is with its 13'000 participants one of the worlds biggest mountain bike events. We did the original course from Rena to Lillehammer on a fast (mainly fire roads), non-technical course, which was 89km plus a very difficult 17km loop around the Olympic town of Lillehammer. Most riders set their bikes up for the first part of the race. Hardtail, skinny tires with lots of pressure. But the super technical finale actually asked for a full suspension bike. Once again my tubular wheel set and my SCOTT SCALE was the best way to go. Fast on the dirt roads, good control and traction on the last part.
    This and the fact that Bart Brentjens wanted to win badly (it's the only title he hasn't won yet) made me concentrate on him and the final loop. Tough the 116km race was already decided after 8 km on the first climb. Bart attacked early, which was not a surprise to me. He got away with his teammate Tjallingii, Italys Dario Aquaroli and Germanys Karl Platt. I was on the wheel of to other race favourites Thomas Dietsch and Marco Bui. Bui did not want and Dietsch was not good enough to close the gap. After I saw Bart hammering at the front and our gap getting bigger and bigger I attacked hard and moved up to the front group by myself. Right on top of that first 15-minute climb I jumped on the Bart train. Because the five of us worked well together and each major country had one guy in the front group we made good time on the pack. The Fumic brothers, Marco Bui, Liam Killlen, Thomas Dietsch and all the marathon specialists were locked in. Plus I had my countrymen's Ralph Näf and Christian Heule controlling the field for me. Soon after Bart flatted and got a wheel from his teammate Tjallingi. We waited for Bart since it was still long to the finish and we needed his power on the flat sections. While I felt very strong starting to dream about the rainbow stripes I could see Bart was suffering. He also had a hard time keeping up in the short technical sections due to his skinny tires. Karl Platt who looked strong flatted after 85 km. That left us down to three. Like I predicted, the last loop had to make the decision between Dario Aquaroli, Bart Brentjens and myself. I attacked early on the last long climb and got away quite easy. The only problem was that I had no information on the gap to the others, which is common thing in marathons (especially point to point races). Even I had a good feeling I was safe, I looked back so many times the past 10 k's. Two years ago at worlds in Lugano, Bart came back on me just 3 km to go, even I dropped him 45 minutes earlier and thought I already won the jersey. If you can only see the 200 meters behind you, you don't know if you have a lead of 20 or 200 seconds. Anyway my uncle Werni and Tom Ritchey relived my fears 1 k to go by telling me I was two minutes ahead. The last 1000 meters with the thousands of crazy Norwegian spectators was pure enjoinment. I realized that this was probably my best race in my career. Just perfect!
    Bart came in second, like in 2003. Bronze went to Aquaroli. In the finale of the main pack, who was almost six minutes down, Christian Heule helped Näf to come in fifth while Heule himself finished in good 14th. The three of us formed a liaison after we did not get selected by the national team. That's why I was racing in my Swisspower Team jersey and the first (maybe the last and only one) world champion to step on the podium in his own team uniform instead of the national jersey.

    Winning the rainbow jersey again at the age of 35 is hard to describe. After being in second place at worlds for so many years I would never ever dream about winning to world champion titles in the fall of my career. It is my 10th MTB medal (15th with cyclo-cross) and 5th consecutive medal since 2001. Good thing I did not retire like I planed after Olympics 2000.
    And the season is not even over yet. I believe in my chance for Nr.16 in two weeks in Livignio.
    And if not, I might start doing more marathons. The statistics tell me that's where I'm pretty good at. I did only 6 marathons in my career! One I quit because I got lost (Garda), and out of the other five I won four, including two world champion titles!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emil MP
    Saw a program on norwegian television, where they said that the womens course was shorter than the mens. How much i can't remember, think it was about 5k.
    None of results I have seen mention that. Nino's post has them both at 109km. cyclingnews.com both @ 116km.

    Strange to have slightly different courses.
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    Nice read from Thomas.
    Strange how a super pro like Bart (my idol) races on skinny tires now. I gives the FEELING of going fast, but it hinders you. On the Dutch Nationals he rode so well, no man alive could have beaten him there. But I did notice that he was cornering less impressive than the years before, when he had a different tire sponsor (Michelin or Hutch, now Maxxis). Sure his speed is amazing, just he doesn't make a difference anymore downhill. BTW, I wonder what tires he used in Athens, UST probably?

    I'd love to try Thomas' setup once. But then preferrably in 29", not because that's my passion, but because I'll be able to compare better. Plus, it makes most sense to me scientifically.

    More on topic : why do pro's still allow themselves to flat their tires? Why skinny tires, when science says wider rolls faster, besides the obvious handling an comfort aspects? Aerodynamics perhaps?

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    because they are plain stupid!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    Nice read from Thomas.
    Strange how a super pro like Bart (my idol) races on skinny tires now. I gives the FEELING of going fast, but it hinders you. On the Dutch Nationals he rode so well, no man alive could have beaten him there. But I did notice that he was cornering less impressive than the years before, when he had a different tire sponsor (Michelin or Hutch, now Maxxis). Sure his speed is amazing, just he doesn't make a difference anymore downhill. BTW, I wonder what tires he used in Athens, UST probably?

    I'd love to try Thomas' setup once. But then preferrably in 29", not because that's my passion, but because I'll be able to compare better. Plus, it makes most sense to me scientifically.

    More on topic : why do pro's still allow themselves to flat their tires? Why skinny tires, when science says wider rolls faster, besides the obvious handling an comfort aspects? Aerodynamics perhaps?
    that's what i said above:
    if such guys get a flat it seems they missed the whole "tubeless" story...you must really be stupid to ride a setup that gets you a flat. really stupid!! man, they earn their living by cycling and still haven't gone with any kind of sealant etc... i can't understand. Frischy proved for years already that tubelesskits are the way to go. now he is another step ahead with his tubulars yet most riders still throw in lightweight inner tubes. sometimes i really think cyclists are stupid.

    the biggest advantage of those Dugast tubulars is the comfort. you can run even lower pressures than with a tubelesskit. Frischy tested such a setup for the olympics in Athens where the track was all hardpack with dust on top. usually a non-grip course but his wide tubulars run at ultra-low pressure gave him back some control. now you see him run tubulars most of the time. the early problems of tires rolling off the carbon rims are almost gone and the advantage is just too big. there's several other guys running tubulars too but maybe sponsors and manufacturers don't like you to run different equippement...it seems they don't allow their riders to win this way. who cares what a guy has inside his tires as long as he wins? insiders always know what a certain guy runs but the masses, those who buy the products, believe what the pictures say. Frischy won using "Ritchey" tires. that's all that counts. no wrong - HE WON -that's what counts.

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    Then are the Tufo tubular clinchers, made to fit 21mm rims or so, so badly made? I once had them, but I had already converted o 29" and couln't be bothered to actually test them. If only Dugast could stick their tubs to such a Tufo strip, Frischy could go back to V's once again...
    What tread is that on his Tubulars now?

    Normally with 29" for racing "the problem" is that you can't get the fastest tires in 29". But Frischy surely can have a fast 29" tubular done, drop 10% in rolling resistance, and gain even more grip and comfort. Might even be able to raise pressure without losing grip or comfort, and roll outtathisworldfast.

    Another thing I don't understand about pro's...the 29" rule came into effect, they feared the CX tubulars winning everything, so they went to 650c tubulars, custom made. They could have done that all along! And then, you're still stuck with smaller wheels than is allowed as a maximum, and many regard large wheels as "cheating". Sigh, pro's...everyone's looking at them for what innovations they ride with, and they just ride what has been working for them the past 30 years...
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