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    Finally got up there today to ride Raging. PT was very good, i will say it was crazy muddy and slick and the alternate line on the upper section knocked me down! I haven't ridden anything that muddy and slick in a long time but looking forward to riding it again.

    What I dont understand is how the seattle area can have true black and double black trails and down here in vancouver and portland the only trails like that have to be illegal.

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    I have a few guesses as to ďwhyĒ, in no particular order: land managers, volunteer orgs, local bike industry companies, and being closer to Canada.

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    PT might be my favorite trail currently.

    Keep in mind Tiger and Raging both started 10 years ago with green/blue trails. Iverson, NWT, Preston, Raging Ridge. The network has to grow sufficiently before you get trails for that 10% hardcore group. I honestly think it's a slow process where you convince the land manager to ratchet it up one trail at a time.

    Also topography is huge, legal builders have to deal with what they are given. You can't just make a PT/EBAD/Predator anywhere.

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    The Raging trails are super fun, but the clay makes them very slick and challenging in the wet.

    It's odd that Tiger has similar geology without all the clay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenwood72 View Post
    Finally got up there today to ride Raging. PT was very good, i will say it was crazy muddy and slick and the alternate line on the upper section knocked me down! I haven't ridden anything that muddy and slick in a long time but looking forward to riding it again.

    What I dont understand is how the seattle area can have true black and double black trails and down here in vancouver and portland the only trails like that have to be illegal.
    You should get yourself up to Darrington. Those trails are badass!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mntnmn117 View Post
    Keep in mind Tiger and Raging both started 10 years ago with green/blue trails. Iverson, NWT, Preston, Raging Ridge.
    Ummm....Tiger and 27 are more than twenty years old, maybe more like thirty. And PT was around for five or six years before it was "adopted" into the official system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeePhroh View Post
    Ummm....Tiger and 27 are more than twenty years old, maybe more like thirty. And PT was around for five or six years before it was "adopted" into the official system.
    I should've specified Legal trails. Raging didn't officially open till May 2018.

    PT is a great example of the difficulty of a legal black trail. Initial trail building is a small part of the process. To actually get PT official and on the map took 5 years. Refining features to meet DNR standard, fixing drainage, adding a 50ft bridge over a creek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mntnmn117 View Post
    I should've specified Legal trails. Raging didn't officially open till May 2018.

    PT is a great example of the difficulty of a legal black trail. Initial trail building is a small part of the process. To actually get PT official and on the map took 5 years. Refining features to meet DNR standard, fixing drainage, adding a 50ft bridge over a creek.
    Um, yeah, I have a lot of hours working on it.

    I think my point is that it's actually more complicated than, "they always start with green and blue trails." At "legal" or to use a better term, "sanctioned" 27, Poppin' Tops and Invictus were part of the opening of the system.

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    27 started out as the hardest of the hardcore. I actually rode up there one day before there were any trails, although some rumors had started. Then it just went way over my head for quite a while so I wasn't too involved as it grew. I think you make a good point that most legitimate areas start off as an easier network. But most illegitimate areas start the other way ! Either way we're blessed by what people have accomplished.

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    Hm, I was under the impression that the old DNR guy didn't like mountain bikers and they didn't allow any new trails but the new DNR is a lot more open. Of course, the sport has grown so much too. They see the interest and need for new trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinchflat View Post
    new DNR is a lot more open
    Thatís the impression Iíve gotten as well. Having a land manager who rides and has that innate understanding of what riders like and how it can differ from other trail uses is crucial.

    Sam has been there for about a decade and a half. I havenít met him but he seems to get it. He has a relative (brother?) in OR who managed the NW Oregon BLM until transferring to Siuslaw NF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinchflat View Post
    Hm, I was under the impression that the old DNR guy didn't like mountain bikers and they didn't allow any new trails but the new DNR is a lot more open. Of course, the sport has grown so much too. They see the interest and need for new trails.
    IIRC, the former executive director of Evergreen went to DNR recreation and that's when really big things started to happen. The transformation has been pretty stunning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    IIRC, the former executive director of Evergreen went to DNR recreation and that's when really big things started to happen. The transformation has been pretty stunning.
    That would have been Glenn Glover in 2015.

    Of course the DNR wouldn't have hired someone from MTB advocacy by accident, so there was clearly some intention on their part to move in that direction. It definitely appears to be working based on what I've seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinchflat View Post
    They see the interest and need for new trails.
    And not just new trails, a lot of raw and rugged trails that take skill to ride. Some days I feel like I won the lottery on fun trails.
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