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    Cuss Hollow is now open for business

    Where is that you ask? Doofie, of course.

    Pouring today so no first run pics but it was cleaned. So, it IS possible. Looking forward to lots of frustrated folks. Should be good practice though. Just don't bring the long wheelbase rig.... Bwahahahaha!

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    sooo,

    where is it out there/ i was just there 2 days ago & didn't see anything pointing it out.
    slow & tech?
    breezy shade

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    SW XC (Movin' On)

    The entrances were opened this afternoon and the signs went up.

    Maybe.

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    I guess y'all don't get excited unless there's some gnarly air and structures.

    Feel free to helmet cam yourselves up and post the carnage here. (Nice point to shoot from across the way too catching the first down section as well as most of the climb out...)

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    We checked it out last Sunday, and I can't wait to ride it this Sunday! I just got a GoPro HD, so I'll try to get some video and post it up.

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    Thanks Borneo!

    Thanks Borneo! Looked great when I walked it after last week's work party. Will see how many tries it takes on the Scratch.

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    LOL. It made my little hardtail feel like it had a long wheelbase.

    Looking forward to lots of helmet cam footage wandering left and right and making me seasick.

    Are those uphill switchbacks supposed to be flowable, or was a trackstand the idea?
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    A-ha... So, that was you yesterday in the rain?

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    Yeah. I realized I was spending more time posting than riding a few months ago, and promised myself a midweek MTB ride. Schedule today is not so flexible, tomorrow's out, and so it was last night or not at all.
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    No worries...

    I'm glad you asked if it was okay for a second go at it. Maybe next time you'll clean it.

    Good to finally put a face to the name.

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    This thread is worthless without pictorz!

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    Randomly funny R1de.

    I'll get something to sate your appetite EB. Or, I'm sure there will be wobbly helmet cam footy by this weekend as Andrewswitch noted....

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    One of the guys I was riding with last weekend was on a Demo 8 downhill bike (talked him into some XC stuff) and the other guy was on an XL Stumpjumper, both with long wheel bases. Even if it was open, I don't either one would have had much of a chance to ride it clean. It would be fun to watch them try it though!

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    the olympic bike is actually kind of sweet.

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    No pics EB but I just found out most of the Sturdy B's that rode it last night cleaned everything but the last switchback. Two cleaned the "crux" switchback first time Andrew but I'm sure the bikes are smalls too....

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    Which one is the crux switchback?
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    Wirfless wiffout pictors.

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    Nope. Just means you gotta go see for your self. Geez....

    The second to last one Andrew.

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    I rode it today on my new bike- XL Tallboy 29'er.
    A couple corners on the climb were a bit tight. Nice challenging little course to work. I really liked the bricks used for the uphill switchbacks. Should help the trail last a while. My compliments and thanks to those that built the trail.

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    My riding buddies and I rode it today. I was on a medium stumpjumper and I was able to clear it clean first try. had to trackstand the last two turns, but I was able to make it. My friend on an XL stumpy caught a log on the 2nd downhill turn and cartwheeled thru the bushes to the bottom. He left some blood and skin on the trail, so it was good times! My other friend on a Large Trek ex8 made it all the way until the 2nd to last turn, where he dabbed. He cleaned the final turn though.

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    "Caught a log"??? Huh? Wow, cleaned it first time. That's rare....

    Good on ya. No pictures or carnage video yet?

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    Bob, rode it yesterday....had no idea til I rolled up on it. Haven't checked the forum in a while.

    Anyhoo, it's fun! Dabbed maybe 3-4 times total, the uphill switchbacks are tricky.

    It's Duthie's own version of "Loyd detour." Thanks mang.
    Taking it easy for all you sinners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo
    "Caught a log"??? Huh? Wow, cleaned it first time. That's rare....

    Good on ya. No pictures or carnage video yet?
    That was his story. Tried to stay wide, hit soft dirt, front tire slide out, caught the edge of a log and down he went over.
    The guy that crashed had a GoPro on his bike, so Hopefully he shares the cartwheel footage with us.

    I thought the trickiest corner was the very last one. The 2nd to last turn was tough, but you have a little speed from the straight setion prior to it so it helped with getting around it. The last turn though your barely moving so it adds to the difficulty. The funniest thing was after clearing the last turn I relaxed and ended up spinning my rear tire in a small mud hole at the top and putting a shoulder into the big tree on the right, just before you reenter the Movin' On trail.

    I think it is a great addition to the trail and adds a nice challenge/entertainment to the ride.

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    It's Duthie's own version of "Loyd detour." Thanks mang. [/QUOTE]

    This post is worthless without pics...

    You're welcome. I asked Mike if I could put some features at the bottom to jazz it up like the Lloyd Detour and he said no. But, Maybe later we can do that. I'd like to deck the last 2 turns on the way down Cedar Run style for a start. Maybe this fall.

    As for the last turn Mr. Lynch, I always thought that was easier than the second to last because you can re-group and give 'er and the wide arc is pretty shallow compared to the one you just passed.

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    I also really like the entrance to the new line. The drop/roll in looks a lot bigger than it is and we witnessed 4 or 5 people ride up to it, take a look, deicde it was too tough and ride off. It probably didn't help that my buddy was 10' away from it doubled over with a bloody leg.

    Was the entrance to the big roll in ramp a bit futher down the trail changed recently? My friend with the XL stumpy always had trouble making that turn but he had no problem setting up for it nicely the past few weeks.

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    Thanks. It is indeed intended as a "gate" feature though pretty easy to roll in on but intimidating enough apparently. Hehehehe....

    No. Kat's kids dumbed it down for a class last summer by digging out the uphill side of the trail more is what I was told. Someone added logs on the leading edge to make it easier too. I took those back out last fall. But, maybe they are back.

    Usually stuff just gets easier with practice though... Maybe that's what is happening.

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    There were no logs, so it must be the uphill side digging that made it easier to angle into.

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    Still no pics or videos? Haven't been able to make it out and ride yet, though I did crash twice just test riding sections while we were building it

    Should have left the entrance as tight as it was when we first put it in... the endless endo's would be priceless.

    Oh yeah and thank me for that gate feature... put the magic touch on that :tup:

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    Yeah, figured there would be pics/vids by now...

    We can always make it tougher later. (I'm waiting to see if people ride around the roll in...)

    See ya tomorrow.

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    I'd love to do it, but the little free time I've had in the last two weeks has gone to boarding and digging. And cleaning the bike, which is now looking all dressed up with no place to go.
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    Too bad we're going snowboarding tomorrow and can't film. Right?

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    So the weather is freakin' AMAZING today, so I will be heading up to Duthie to actually ride the Hollow. I will have a camera with me, so if anyone wants their pic taken crashing, stalling, rolling backwards etc., look for me there and I can make it happen.

    Oh and Bob sorry I missed out on Wednesday, how did it go? Family emergency... grandparents getting old

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighFivenWhiteGuy
    So the weather is freakin' AMAZING today, so I will be heading up to Duthie to actually ride the Hollow. I will have a camera with me, so if anyone wants their pic taken crashing, stalling, rolling backwards etc., look for me there and I can make it happen.
    Well I will be out there around 5 probably, so if you see a guy falling down on a black rune I'm ok with the public humiliation.

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    Sounds great, I ride a red Kona Cadabra and a green jersey.

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    black Rune... you're not the guy I bumped into at the Beaver Lake entrance to Soaring Eagle last year, are you? I asked you about your bike and IIRC I had on an Evergreen ride leader jersey...
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1de
    black Rune... you're not the guy I bumped into at the Beaver Lake entrance to Soaring Eagle last year, are you? I asked you about your bike and IIRC I had on an Evergreen ride leader jersey...
    I think so, I ride there a lot with my dad who has the blue prophet. I think we talked about some places to do some epics maybe?

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    Yeah it was you and your dad. As for remembering a bike I saw once a year ago: no comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1de
    Yeah it was you and your dad. As for remembering a bike I saw once a year ago: no comment.
    Haha, well there aren't many Runes in the area... I've run into FM (which I knew from the chromag components and the 'team' color) and maybe one other guy with one, were basically albinos.

    So Cuss Hollow was fun. Didn't see HighFivenWhiteGuy out there to document my attempts so you guys won't know if I did it clean or not But really, the first time I didn't drop my seat at all which made the down hill portion much trickier (wide bars were hitting into my leg even though I was back behind the saddle), but I found the uphill a little easier (relative to dropping the saddle, but both times it was much trickier than the downhill). Dropping the saddle just an inch or 2 made the down hill much easier, but then I had to tap my feet down a few times on the climb. Oh how I wish I had an adjustable seatpost...

    Good stuff guys. Just another feature making the whole duthie experience better, being able to work on the techy stuff whilst my old man cruises along
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    Nice changup for Duthie. Only one tiny dab. I guess I have been riding PVCA too much. A couple more months when all the roots pop up will make it even more NW classic. Nice trail Bob hopefully it just get techier with age,
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    Here are some picaroos... enjoy!

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    Also, a few riders came by and gave it a whirl. Never got your names btw, kindof embarrassing. Oh and you owe me a pic of myself getting a massive 6 inches of air lol

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    OMG pitchers!



    I haven't been on a bike in almost a month but that will change and I will try this Cussing thing.

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    A couple of "F!"s and several "SH!"s from our group. Very well done, Borneo and team! Love the entry/gateway feature. Thought I was going to have trouble with the long wheelbase of the Scratch and was all psyched up to be in rear-wheel-kick mode to get around the turns, but only a mild "Doh!" as I spun out on the very last climbing SB . I'm coming back with the Session!

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    I definitely had a lot of F's coming out of my mouth. Cuss Hollow indeed.

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    Good job!

    Great trail Borneo. You should make it tougher though as I cleaned it the first time doing a nose wheelie!

    Actually I'm 0-3 each time missing a different feature (or two). Have enjoyed the challenge.

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    i'd like to hear the story on how did the trail got it's name...

    You know there is a Cussed Hollow trail in St. Helens ?!
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    Dang it. I thought maybe you rode it and had a comment.

    I wanted to make something that was in defiance of everything else "Duthie" and show that it could still be fun. But, create a lot of verbal self abuse along the way. That's all.

    Nope, didn't know about "Cussed Hollow" until KenO told me. But, this is shorter so just "Cuss" will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo
    Dang it. I thought maybe you rode it and had a comment.

    I wanted to make something that was in defiance of everything else "Duthie" and show that it could still be fun. But, create a lot of verbal self abuse along the way. That's all.

    Nope, didn't know about "Cussed Hollow" until KenO told me. But, this is shorter so just "Cuss" will work.

    Can't comment since I have not ridden that and also a few other trails in the park.
    I'm usually working when I go there and bring my bike only to test trail.
    Someday next year when we wrap up phase 2 and work stops I can enjoy it more.
    During the last year, my ride/trailwork time splits up about 20/80.
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    "During the last year, my ride/trailwork time splits up about 20/80."

    No worries. That sums up my last year or so too. This year I'm saying' "F-it' and not doing any trailwork after May 1st if I can help it... Please feel free to remind me if I fall off the wagon and you see me with a McLeod in hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo
    Please feel free to remind me if I fall off the wagon and you see me with a McLeod in hand.
    Or a leaf blower?

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    I'm the guy on the orange bike!

    Thanks for the pics- here are the pics you requested.
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    PSA: I got word that some of the switchback blocks were coming loose or popping out so if anyone is out there today and can confirm that, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo
    PSA: I got word that some of the switchback blocks were coming loose or popping out so if anyone is out there today and can confirm that, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
    Yes ... a couple of the blocks near the top of the climb have popped out on the inside of the last switch back + a couple of large holes have opened up on two of the switch backs on the outside of the turn on the descent which should be attended to.

    I nearly cleared Cuss Hollow on my Nomad (slid out on a root on the 3rd to last switch back on the climb) and Mikey nearly cleared it completely on his new Session 88.

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    Thanks. I think I know what the issue is on the second switchback going down then. The first and third should be just fine though? There's a bucket and shovel stashed out there for repairs so hopefully it will get attended to shortly.

    Need to throw way more dirt on the blocks since I knew a lot of people would be walking up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo
    Thanks. I think I know what the issue is on the second switchback going down then. The first and third should be just fine though? There's a bucket and shovel stashed out there for repairs so hopefully it will get attended to shortly.

    Need to throw way more dirt on the blocks since I knew a lot of people would be walking up.
    If I recall correctly, the holes were on the 2nd and 3rd switch backs on the descent. It looks like you had used a border log to hold up the outside trail tread and the action of tires and the weather has opened a deep gap between the trail and the outside border log.

    You pretty much have to set those smaller paver stones on a sand base otherwise they will pop out if the soil is overly soft. But I will readily admit they are much easier to haul long distances than those larger mother-f*#%$! ones.

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    Fixed.

    Big thanks to John and Allan for doing that for me today. Enjoy! (And, cuss often...)

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    Damn the long wheelbase! Still made all the switchbacks, barely.

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    First attempt? If so, awesome.

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    If we ride Duthie this weekend I'll get some Gopro footage of the trail.
    My buddy who crashed on it acouple weeks ago says you see one turn then dirt, then sky/trees, then brush, then sky again. He wont share the footage though.

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    Many thanks -- Cuss Hollow ricks!

    I am LOVING Cuss Hollow! The notion of "XC = technically easy" has been frustrating me since moving to this area 6 years ago. IMO if you can clean it the first, second or even third time you ride it...it's not fun. Yes, there certainly is room for flow and I dig on beautfully sculped berms that require no brake as much as the next speed junkie. But I really miss features that are like a puzzle that take forever to find that ONE line that works.

    Cuss Hollow reminded me how fun "technical" XC can be. Just because it doesn't have a 15 foot gap without a case guard doesn't mean it's not hard. Now if we could just get some big-ring grinding step-ups I'd be in heaven.

    Thanks to everyone who sacrifices their time building trails. You shall inherit the earth.

    PS - Cleaned all of Cuss Hollow on trial #3 on an XL Stumpy 29er...let's go tougher. Think Tabegauche trails by Grand Junction or South Mountain in Phoenix.

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    We all say,You're welcome....

    Seeing it get ridden a lot and praise is the best reward.

    Here's to hoping most people dono't make it the first time.

    Mike and I talked about it a lot and we're going to let it deteriorate "Duthie style" and let it get harder and see what happens. So, when roots pop up, they won't get back filled unless it gets real bad and people just start riding around them or "doing us a favor" and cutting them out. Same with SW XC/Movin' On.

    Unfortunately, due to the high traffic and overall low ability of the XC trail users at Duthie, it's tough to make stuff tight and tech and still manageable. It's a watch and learn deal.

    Still managaing to ensure there's lots of that out in the wilds nearby though.

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    I cussed last weekend. One minor dab on the descent, and stalled twice on the way up. I think it might take some trials-style hopping action to get me around some of the climbing switchbacks.

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    I have yet to make it all the way through clean... admittedly I have only tried about 4 times but still sounds like a fair number are cleaning it first time. Got some work to do lol

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    Oh and Bob don't know if I ever took the time to thank you for hosting the work parties and showing me the ropes of mtb trails. Got the basics of trail construction down, but building a trail to flow on a bike takes a different mindset, one that I am trying to hone on a certain trail system I am currently working on.

    Thanks again and great work on the 'Hollow. It may be easy for some but definitely a challenge for me

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    I got the descent cleanly last time. The climbing switchbacks still take me some weird convolutions.
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    The trail kind of reminds me of how some sections of the Tapeworm use to be back in the late 90s. Even if you can't clear it, it is a great skill builder that is fun to try over and over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo
    Dang it. I thought maybe you rode it and had a comment.

    I wanted to make something that was in defiance of everything else "Duthie" and show that it could still be fun. But, create a lot of verbal self abuse along the way. That's all.

    Nope, didn't know about "Cussed Hollow" until KenO told me. But, this is shorter so just "Cuss" will work.
    That name is an awful tease!I saw this thread's title and I could not believe that Cussed Hollow was open...I doubt Lewis River is even clear.Oh well,you got me.Nice lookin' trail though.
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