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    White Clay trail conditions

    Anyone ride WC in the past week? I want to head there tomorrow, but wonder if the trails are dry from all the rain last week.

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    Well I realize I am late but I rode middle run yesterday and found it mostly dry but soupy at spots. Watch out for them because they will surprise you when you hit one. Almost fell twice within the first minute of my ride.

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    Any beginners ride during the week?

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    If it keeps raining on the weekends I may need to ditch work to get a weekday ride in. It's going on 4 weeks ffs! More rain forecast for this weekend too.

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    I'm down from Tuesdays-Thursdays. I work weekends

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    Riding during the week is better I think cuz of less people walking the trails.

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    A couple night of freeze/thaw created some slick trails over the weekend, but according to what I'm hearing trails are ok now.

    Official, organized rides are pretty much over for the season. Wooden Wheels has a Wednesday Night ride out of the Pike Creek Shopping Center lot, call them for more info.

    Henry's Bikes is located right at the trailhead, so they're usually a good source of info for current trail conditions.

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    anybody ride there recently? I am just wondering if the snow that hit us up in Pennsylvania made it down that way either in the form of rain or snow, we are looking to ride somewhere near Philly on Sunday and figured if we head south from up in northeastern PA we might be OK

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    I live 15 miles south of white clay and we have about 4inches of snow laying on the ground atm. Haven't hit any trails since the snow so don't know what the trails look like.

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    Gah. Ok, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    anybody ride there recently? I am just wondering if the snow that hit us up in Pennsylvania made it down that way either in the form of rain or snow, we are looking to ride somewhere near Philly on Sunday and figured if we head south from up in northeastern PA we might be OK
    Newark got the most snow in the region last sunday. 12"

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    I've ran Middle Run three times this week since the snow. I don't know how it would translate into the 2-wheeled world since I'm a trail runner, but as of tonight, the trails have some sections of ice, some powder, some packed snow, and a few areas of exposed trail. It's a good technical run, so I'm assuming it would be the same for a bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trailrunner33 View Post
    I've ran Middle Run three times this week since the snow. I don't know how it would translate into the 2-wheeled world since I'm a trail runner, but as of tonight, the trails have some sections of ice, some powder, some packed snow, and a few areas of exposed trail. It's a good technical run, so I'm assuming it would be the same for a bike.
    Thanks for the post! We are getting a good amount of snow up here so we are hitting up a cx race and going sledding with the kiddos tomorrow instead of heading south.

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    Rode middle run today. 90% of the trails are clear. Other 10% being ice/snow in frequent 10ft patches. Did see a handful of mtb tracks as well In the snow. Only muddy in a few spots.

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    I'm heading out tomorrow night(Thursday) late at middle run. I'll post an update.

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    Anyone else planning on riding on Saturday? Weather is looking like it's going to cooperate.

    If anyone rides today or tomorrow I'd love to know if things are slick out there. Need to decide on the 29er or fat bike for this weekend.

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    Rode white clay David English trail (personal favorite downhill) was pretty muddy. When it wasn't muddy it was snow covered. Defiantly made the ride more technical. Was happy with my goblins ability to climb on snow though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schlava View Post
    I'm heading out tomorrow night(Thursday) late at middle run. I'll post an update.
    Schlava - Did you ride Middle Run last night? If so, how were the trail conditions?
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    I rode Middle Run this morning. I did a loop of basically the outer limits of MR including Possum Hollow, Snow Goose, and Lenape. Rode it counter clockwise. I'd say it's 50/50. There were good spots and bad spots. However, as the temperatures rise, some of the spots I considered good today will no longer be that way. The snow covered parts of the trail that were good today are gonna be messy once it melts. I think the next few days will allow things to dry out more, but I will not be back this weekend based on what I saw today. I'm gonna wait until the middle of next week when things get cold again so the trail can freeze up. Hopefully someone else can give us an update by then. If you do ride, be careful because there are some fairly slick spots. Also be preparted to get dirty. Happy Holidays!

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    Can't believe people are trying to ride there the last few days. Guess I shouldn't be surprised by anything at this point.

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    No I never made it out. Based upon ebay riders report I may stay off and just try brandywine tomorrow. Bwine seems to have a harder base and may be in slightly better shape. But I do agree that I bet the warmth and thawing may just bring up to much moisture over the next couple days.

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    I rode Brandywine yesterday and its predominantly snow and iced covered. Slick bud definitely doable. Just be careful on the steep declines. After today though it probably all melted and will be pretty greasy.

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    Rode middle run about mid day today. Middle run seems much better then white clay right now. Was maybe 30% muddy with other stuff just damp. Ima ride again tomorrow hoping it dried even more.

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    Tried getting in Brandywine before the rain sunday. Total soup. Turned around went home. After today's rain it's gonna be a while. Need freezing temps.

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    Going to be mud for the next week or so with the freeze/thaw happening. Might want to ride Fair Hill instead.

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    I heard iron hill is supposed to have good drainage.

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    I rode brandywine yesterday. The field trails that were in sunlight were sloppy the trails were perfect. It's pretty frozen out there. The eariler in the day you can go the better it will be.

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    Gonna try to ride fair hill or white clay tomorrow looks like that's gonna be the best time weather wise for awhile. Never been to white clay,but I will post a report either way.

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    You figure it will be rideable after that huge dump of rain sunday and temps above freezing?

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    I rode below the dam Saturday. It was very mushy and I had to walk climbs that are normally doable on my SS. No traction. I would love to get back to WC but I think its best to stay off the trails in the freeze/melt days until we either get cold enough to freeze up completely or dry enough to not damage the trails.

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    Rode iron hill today. Was actually pretty pleased with how dry it was. Rode about 3 miles and only hit maybe 6 short mud spots the whole time. 95 percent was pretty dry/moist.

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    Rode WC for the first time today,awesome place can't wait to hit all the trails. There was a lot of bikers ,as well hikers there today. The trails started getting muddy later in the day. I wiped out pretty good today shootting down through one of the fields the bike just washed right out from under me,had a blast though.

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    Any updates to the conditions after the snow and frozen rain lately? Wondering if DE fared better than the trails up near Philly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshhan View Post
    Any updates to the conditions after the snow and frozen rain lately? Wondering if DE fared better than the trails up near Philly.
    Well the trails were almost clear of snow until yesterday we got another 2 inches. We are supposed to get weather into the 40s In a few days so hopefully that knocks the snow away off the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sti2.5ldohc View Post
    Well the trails were almost clear of snow until yesterday we got another 2 inches. We are supposed to get weather into the 40s In a few days so hopefully that knocks the snow away off the trails.
    Latest forecast is for heavy snow on Wed night into Thursday.

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    My weather report is just saying snow, sleet, rain. I don't think it will amount to much.

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    I hope not. I'm as sick of this crap as anyone but...
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    Agreed. I've done enough snow riding to last me awhile. I miss clear trails.

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    I'm assuming everything is still a sloppy mess? Rain forecasted this weekend on top of the melting/melted snow. Is this accurate?
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    Well right now everything is probably frozen. Tonight it's supposed to snow but then warm up for like 5 days straight which will hopefully take out the snow. If the temp drops after that it will be rideable but if it doesn't freeze it's gonna be a mess for awhile.

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    Can anybody provide current conditions? Thanks in advance.

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    Wouldn't expect to ride white clay for awhile. Once the snow starts melting it will be a mud pit for awhile.

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    Yea, with the snow we got Monday and the highs in the 40s I'd imagine White Clay is a slushy/muddy mess. Wouldn't be surprised if we have to wait a couple weeks, the weather just isn't looking very promising.

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    Thanks. I'll check back in a couple weeks. I won't be passing down that way until the week of the March 24th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huffster View Post
    Thanks. I'll check back in a couple weeks. I won't be passing down that way until the week of the March 24th.
    If WCC isn't ready by then just ride Brandywine instead. It seems to drain better from what I've seen. I think the trails there are more fun anyways.

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    ^OK, good option. I've found the map at: http://www.destateparks.com/download...wine-Creek.pdf

    Any recommendations on a good route that might be ~10-12 miles?

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    ^^^ not too familiar to recommend a course but here's a more detailed map. Brandywine Creek State Park | Park Trail Maps | Mountain Biking | Hiking | GpsTrailSource

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    Please report back if the conditions at Brandywine are good. I'm so done with the double track gravel trails at Fair Hill...

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    I was at brandywine the other day on the rocky run portion and that was good to go.

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    Huh... I've never used a map there at all, so I couldn't really recommend a route. We usually park at the Jewish center and keep banging rights for a while, then down and back up a few times on different routes. When we're done we just head back up to the top and follow the trail back. Would love to see if there's a good route though!

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    How's WC / Middle Run now? The snow has been gone for a while, has it dried out?

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    ^^^^ I'd assume middle run is good. White clay is probably still wet in spots. But gonna snow tonight so all will be lost.

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    Thanks. Depending on weather, I may try to ride there this weekend.

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    The ground in Newark is pretty saturated in general, but if anyone checks out the trails this weekend an update would be awesome. Would love to try to get a short ride in on Sunday, but I suspect it's still not dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formula4speed View Post
    The ground in Newark is pretty saturated in general, but if anyone checks out the trails this weekend an update would be awesome. Would love to try to get a short ride in on Sunday, but I suspect it's still not dry.
    +1. Even if you are walking or running on the trails, please give an update.
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    I saw a post on Trail Spinners' Facebook page that the trails are in pretty darn good shape at WC/MR.

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    hey guys... never been to white clay.. coming from PA/NJ area.. want to head down there tomorrow .. think it's worth it with the conditions?

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    I wouldn't head down here yet do to some rain on Wednesday. If you want to ride in the area, I would go to Brandywine Creek State Park

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    I am planning to go here or to Wissahickon tomorrow. Is it dry enough to ride?

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    ^^^ I would say at the very least middle run should be fine. Probably white clay as well. Or brandywine like others has suggested

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    you guys are super! thank you! I'm probably going to hold of for a few more weeks to get down there... Rode today local and can't wait to come south to ride.

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    Rode middle run Saturday & it was perfect.

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    Alright WC/Middle Run locals, how're the trails holding up to the recent rain? I'm heading up tomorrow afternoon to visit my wife's extended family in Wilmington this weekend and I'd love to get away for a ride.

    I know there's a chance of rain forecast for tomorrow/Saturday. So if the trails are already swampy, I'll leave the bike at home. But if they're riding fine now, I'll bring it and decide when we get up there.

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    Right now the trails are in pretty decent shape, but we are expecting more rain tonight going into tomorrow. Not sure how much we are expecting though. Saturday looks dry and sunny so I'm hoping things will be in good shape for a Sunday ride.

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    Riding brandyine right now and its great

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    Did a short loop yesterday, Whitley Farms and Bryans Field (?). Trails were great, going back out again after work tonight before the rain rolls in tomorrow.

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    1st trip to WC today. Rode mostly Middle Run,Bryan's Field area. Trail has lots of sharps turns & switchbacks, with trees right ON the trail, both sides. Keeps you on your toes. I run short bars (640mm), If you are running wide ones i would guess you really need to watch out. I was challenged at the skills trail.
    Question: What is the best way to ride the logs/skinnies/elevated trails? I tried sitting,standing,slow,fast. I can't say one way worked better than another.
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    ^^^^ I think sitting down is the easiest way to balance because that's how you normally ride the trails. However I often stand up incase I fall off the side. They take practice.

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    I've been riding there for 2 years now . I use 720mm bars and want to switch to 750mm. I haven't had any issues .
    Quote Originally Posted by SoftballGuy View Post
    1st trip to WC today. Rode mostly Middle Run,Bryan's Field area. Trail has lots of sharps turns & switchbacks, with trees right ON the trail, both sides. Keeps you on your toes. I run short bars (640mm), If you are running wide ones i would guess you really need to watch out. I was challenged at the skills trail.
    Question: What is the best way to ride the logs/skinnies/elevated trails? I tried sitting,standing,slow,fast. I can't say one way worked better than another.
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    Think they'll be ridable today or too muddy?

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    I forgot to reply last night, but the trails were perfect yesterday. If you have time to go today, before it rains all week, you'll be pleased.

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    Anyone check out the trails since we got hammered with rain last week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by formula4speed View Post
    Anyone check out the trails since we got hammered with rain last week?

    I was out there yesterday. Trail was actually in pretty good shape considering. It was slightly damp, there were some spots out in the open that were a little muddy. Definetely ridable, i rode for a few hrs.
    They need to cut the tree blocking the skinnies on the skills trail. It's been there a while.

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    Rode there Saturday and Monday. Sat was a bit on the damp side; still very rideable. We did get some rain on Tuesday, but hopefully things will be dry by tomorrow & the weekend. Ride it!!!

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    Think W/C will be rideable tomorrow? It's been raining pretty much all day today in MD but i'm an hr. away from Newark so not sure how much it rained there.

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    It's been raining most of the afternoon here in Newark, combined with the rain we got yesterday riding tomorrow is probably pushing it. I'm hoping for good conditions Saturday if the sun comes out tomorrow.

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    Unfortunately not. If we have clear weather tomorrow then Saturday afternoon should be ok. We have had a lot of rain this spring, so the trails are being slow to dry out. I plan to ride Sunday so they can dry out more.
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    How is white clay? A few friends are thinking about coming down this sat to go riding. With rain on Thursday, do you think it will be to wet to ride on Saturday? My gut says yes.

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    White clay is good to go right now. So as long as it doesn't rain a ton I think it will be good for the weekend.

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    You should be OK, though the devil is in the details. In this case the devil is how much rain we get on Thursday. The trails are very nice right now.
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    We got rain in the area yesterday and last night and more rain to come tomorrow. I would check back Friday night and see if anyone was out there and can report. I agree that the way things look now it will be ok by Saturday, but the longer you can wait the better.

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    Thanks for the update. Schedule has changed, probably coming down on the 21st. Lets hope for good weather!

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    I was looking to ride White Clay tomorrow. How well does the place drain? Would it be rideable tomorrow or should we just bag it until Sunday?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fam Money View Post
    I was looking to ride White Clay tomorrow. How well does the place drain? Would it be rideable tomorrow or should we just bag it until Sunday?
    We got a lot of rain through here this week. I would bag it til Sunday and the later the better.

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    Yeah, I saw it mirrored ours up here in central PA. I guess we'll push it back until Sunday. Thanks for the reply.

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    I was at White Clay yesterday (Monday, 6/16) and the three loops are good to go for anyone who is wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL911 View Post
    I was at White Clay yesterday (Monday, 6/16) and the three loops are good to go for anyone who is wondering.
    Awesome, I will be taking a friend for his first time today.

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    The trails were nice Sunday afternoon. With 2 more days of drying they should be in great shape. The only issue I found on Sunday was a massive (30"+) diameter tree with two large forks has fallen across Cart Path and completely blocks the trail. You'll have to climb over it if you go that far North.

    For anyone familiar with Cart Path, the fallen tree used to be arched over the trail and we ducked under it as we climbed. I guess that rot got the better of it and the tree has collapsed.
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    Hell again. Did Newark get rain yesterday? Will the trails be good for tomorrow? Or best wait for another weekend?

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    The rain here in Newark was pretty light yesterday and the sun is out today so I think you'll be fine for tomorrow. Right now the forecast says there is a 30% chance of rain tomorrow (Saturday), so keep that in mind.

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    Thanks, decisions decisions decisions.

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    We had a whole bunch of rain down near Aberdeen MD. Was wondering if any of it hit Newark. I was hoping to go hit White Clay for the 4th of July but think it might be wet.

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    I'm in Pa and we got hammered but radar showed whiteclay got less. Anyone able to give a update on if it will be good to go tomorrow?
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    We currently have scattered rainstorms in the area, and it is supposed to stay cloudy until tomorrow. Saturday afternoon the trails will probably still be soft, but how much water the trees and plants suck up is the wild card. If they were thirsty that could dry things out faster.

    I've already postponed riding until Sunday to let the trails dry out more. Last Monday the trails were nice and dry, and the least rolling resistance I have felt this year. I set a lot of personal records that day.
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    We actually went Saturday and the biggest issue seemed to be random tree's and branch's down. We moved what we could but there's a few large ones that need saw's. 1 was in the skill's area and 1 was across the long double track climb. We actually moved 1 other big one off to the side on the long double track climb. We moved as much of the small stuff we found as well.

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    Was out there yesterday. The huge downed tree across the skinnies on the skills trail has been there a while but you could ride under it. Now there is another tree down just beyond it, so you have to walk your bike over it. They need chainsaws for these i believe. Other than that, trails were in good shape. Corkscrew & Logzilla trails are always fun.

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    Has anyone checked out the trails in the last day or two? Newark has gotten quite a bit of rain in the last week.

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    The amount of rain wasn't actually too bad, I'm going to check out the trails tonight. I think they'll be fine, probably some soft spots in low areas. Still keep an eye out for downed trees, ran into a bunch when riding last weekend.

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    Ok great! If the trails look ok for riding, I am going to head there tomorrow AM.

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    I rode tonight. They are OK to ride. There are some muddy spots, and overall the trails in the woods are slow rolling. Still, ready to ride.

    I'm hoping to ride again on Saturday, by which time the trails should have dried out more and will be faster.
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    Thanks for the report! I'm headed out there this morning if anyone would like to join! I park alongside the road near the ranger office at the David English trailhead. Aiming to be there around 10 AM. Going to do the three loops, then head back around into Middle Run area. Going to put some miles in today.

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    So how soaked did the Newark area get last night? Some nasty storms rolled through. I didn't even bother driving down to take a look today as I'm sure the trails are not rideable for at least today.

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    I'm about 20 minutes away and it dumped on us last night. I don't plan on riding anywhere until tomorrow night and that is assuming no more rain between now and then.

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    I was there today till about 7:45,trails were ok,was clouding up pretty bad when I left.

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    My weather app tells me that Newark got .37" of rain yesterday. Anyone know how saturated the area is? My girlfriend just got a new bike and she wants to give it a go today!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL911 View Post
    My weather app tells me that Newark got .37" of rain yesterday. Anyone know how saturated the area is? My girlfriend just got a new bike and she wants to give it a go today!
    Not good. Very wet. Leave till Tuesday.
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    Bummer. I won't be able to make it out again until next weekend. These things happen though. Thank you for the update!

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    I'm assuming the trails are a no-go for another couple days? Lots of rain moved through a few days ago.

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    It rained a good amount on Tuesday, but it's been dry since then. I think I'm going to check out the trails tomorrow (Friday) after work. I'd expect them to be in pretty good shape for the weekend in general.

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    I'd imagine they are fine.

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    Hey guys, trails in White Clay and Middle Run are in good shape. Got a ride in this morning in the absolutely perfect weather.

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    How does it look for this weekend 8-23, 8-24?
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    Hasn't rained for the last few days at least. You should be good as long as it doesn't let loose this evening or tomorrow. I'm hoping to make it out tomorrow AM for a bit.

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    I was curious too. I'm watching the weather map tonite. If Newark stays relatively dry, i think i will head out tomorrow also.

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    So Sunday better than Saturday? Depending on the amount of rain Saturday in the afternoon, it may dry some for Sunday?

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    Was there this morning from 10:30-1:00. Some spotty rain just enough to dampen the trails. By the time i left rain had stopped. Unless Newark gets more tonite you should be fine for tomorrow.

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    Rideable on Labor Day?

    Myself and a friend have heard great things about these trails - and were gonna head out tomorrow morning bright and early - around 8 am. We are coming from SW PA - almost a 4 hour drive.

    Do you think the trails will be rideable? How much raid did you all get? Weather channel is saying 0.14 in the past 24 hours. Don't want to make the trip if we are just going to tear up the trails.
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    How are conditions? My buddy and I are making a trip out there for around 10am or so.. haven't been there ... kinda same story as bobbydale... hope it's dry enough!
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    Newark got 1.34" of rain last evening. It is almost definitely going to be a mud fest. I would not recommend riding today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL911 View Post
    Newark got 1.34" of rain last evening. It is almost definitely going to be a mud fest. I would not recommend riding today.
    So I am thinking you left out the "not".

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    I just rode there this morning. About nine oclock it was wet. Not too muddy. By noon the sun had come out and the trails were drying out.
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    Rode WCC around 12:00 noon 'till 3:00. Was a bit damp in some places, dry in others, but overall very rideable. Surprising considering the 1.3+ inches of rain in the last 24 hours. Big Kudos to the DE Trailspinners for some recent drainage work. Many of the problem puddle areas have been alleviated/drained.

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    Can a local rider tell me what the storm system did down there this afternoon/evening? It poured here in PA, but all precipitation meters I can find from the Newark area are telling me that only 0.03 inches fell there. I have a few people planning to meet me there in the AM and I'm trying to make the call yay or nay on WC/MR tomorrow.

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    I'm out of town but my buddy just invited me to ride in the morning so I guess the rain wasn't too bad.

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    The rain started heavy but quickly got very light. I would expect a little muddy. If you know the area you can try to avoid trails that don't drain as well.

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    Okay thank you! I think I'll go on an early morning scouting mission and make the call from there unless someone can tell me for sure.

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    I just got out here to check out the trails. They are very soft and full of puddles, yet there are a ton of riders out here damaging the trails. Real nice.

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    I'm just going to put this out there; as most of you know the white clay trail system is extraordinarily well-maintained and well-designed and thus, drains quickly. Unless it downpoured like crazy all day the day before or is still raining, the trails are probably fine.

    Now, I'm not saying go make some ruts and slog the place up, but seriously you don't need to see cracks in the ground to ride guilt-free.

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    If anyone is wondering the rain never came yesterday so the trails should be great tonight. I'll be seeing how many miles I can get after work before the sun goes down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsciulli19 View Post
    I'm just going to put this out there; as most of you know the white clay trail system is extraordinarily well-maintained and well-designed and thus, drains quickly. Unless it downpoured like crazy all day the day before or is still raining, the trails are probably fine.

    Now, I'm not saying go make some ruts and slog the place up, but seriously you don't need to see cracks in the ground to ride guilt-free.

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    I thought I should have taken pics to show what I was talking about. It rained 1.5 inches the evening before with no sun to dry it up before the AM. There are some rutted up areas where the rainwater pooled but nothing too bad. By 2pm the trails had dried very well thanks to generous sunlight.

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    Probably will still be too wet tomorrow 9/14? We're getting a decent amount of rain in PA today. Also...have had the privilege to only ride weekdays at White Clay so far. Is it busy enough there on a Sunday that a slowpoke like myself would be in the way?

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    Rode Friday, dry as a bone relatively speaking. Riding tomorrow early morning and thinking it should be fast and tacky. Sure there might be a puddle or two but it is mountain biking. Rode last Sunday morning and there was some kind of unofficial running event going on and kinda made things stop and go. Don't expect a repeat tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortep66 View Post
    Rode Friday, dry as a bone relatively speaking. Riding tomorrow early morning and thinking it should be fast and tacky. Sure there might be a puddle or two but it is mountain biking. Rode last Sunday morning and there was some kind of unofficial running event going on and kinda made things stop and go. Don't expect a repeat tomorrow.
    Was also thinking about riding Sunday morning. Got a good soaking rain in PA, however. Anyone with the 411 please sound off.

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    Any reason to believe that WC will be ridable tomorrow? TIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorth2 View Post
    Any reason to believe that WC will be ridable tomorrow? TIA.

    I think if anything it would be later afternoon so the sun hits the trails for a 5 hours . I was thinking about it too .
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    We've only had really light rain yesterday and today and it looks like it's done so I'd actually expect them to be rideable. Not bone dry, but wouldn't expect a mud fest or anything either.

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    Planning a ride here tomorrow. Anyone have a guess if they'll be in good shape tomorrow?
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    Hoping to be there tomorrow too....I think it should have dried out somewhat today, anyone get out yet?

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    We got a good amount of rain yesterday, ground is still pretty saturated in general. Sun hasn't been out much today. I'd expect to run into some mud tomorrow but most of the areas drain pretty well. Hopefully someone who has been out to the trails can chime in for you guys. I wish I could work some of the trails into my commute.

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    As long as the sun is out today, the trails should dry out pretty well for the weekend. Definitely got a lot of rain this week so some low-lying areas might have puddles.

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    Henrys Bikes is right next to the trails, just a couple hundred yards from two drop-in spots, and always has current trail condition info, including an old traffic light in the window (green = good, etc).
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    How are the trails looking for this weekend? Last weekend there were a few areas that were soft from the freeze/thaw cycles.

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    Would like to hear from anyone that rides today.

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    I'd advise staying out of the White Clay side. Very muddy in the field sections between trails. Middle Run is good for the most part.

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    has anyone been out to white clay since the snow? is it packed down and ridable?

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    I'd assume most of the snow is melted enough it's either a non issue or very little on trail. Just make sure it's below freezing because it will turn to moosh fast as it melts.

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    thinking about checkin this trail out when i come home this weekend.

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    Any news on the trails?

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    Frozen then within a day there not frozen = soft and will be unridable. Those who ddo try will cause damage . There are are signs warding off riders not o be there when trails are wet and soft .
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    The White Clay Creek and Middle Run trails are very susceptible to freeze/thaw damage. The top layer thaws out and the water does not have anywhere to go when the soil below is frozen. It makes for slop, and causes serious trail erosion when ridden or hiked. Please do not ride if the trails are soft.

    The temperatures are supposed to drop later this week. When that happens the trails will freeze and will be good to go until things warm up. Trails though the fields tend to thaw out sooner than ones with tree cover, because of the sunlight. If the temperature is 28 or below and things have had time to freeze, then it's generally safe to ride.

    The gravel fire roads at Fair Hill and the Northern Delaware Greenway are what I end up riding when everything is a sloppy mess.
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    ^^^^ What Andrew Said.

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    Tell that to the horse people and all the bikers I saw late Sunday afternoon in Brandywine!!

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    glad i didnt ride out there. definitely wanna check it out this summer when its warmer though.

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    Anyone keeping an eye on the trails? Supposed to stay below freezing tomorrow so it shouldn't be muddy, but is it rideable?

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    Nevermind, Trailspinners has them as "unrideable" on their FB page.

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    There are a few nights this week dipping down to freezing temps, but I doubt the ground will stay frozen very long into the day.

    I can't wait to get back out there again.

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    Does anyone know how Middle Run conditions are? I am hoping to get my first ride of the season somewhere tomorrow.

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    I rode judge Morris Wednesday. It was ok. I think we've had rain since then. I'm going early in the am tomorrow since it should freeze tonight

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    I only clicked on this discussion because the name of the last poster was Dung Hopper.
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    There are a lot of horses around here. Dogs too.

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    I rode WC/MR last night. Trails were soft in a few places, but otherwise great. Rain tonight may change that.

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    Trails were great tonight and it was so nice riding with out winter gear!

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    Cool, I might try today.

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    Anxious for an update about the weekend. Just sayin.

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    It's probably going to depend on what kind of rain we get this afternoon, they are calling for thunderstorms. The trails were perfect on Monday, but Tues, Weds and Thurs we basically had misty/drizzle so they are probably damp going into today.

    The sun is supposed to be out on Saturday so if we don't have too much rain today I'm hoping to ride on Sunday.

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    I was in Philly last night and there was no rain. How did Newark fare?

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    Have the trails had a chance to dry out?

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    Word from other Trailspinners is that the trails were rideable yesterday evening. I do not believe that any rain has fallen since then.
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    I ended up ridding it today with my son. Trails were in OK shape but with some soft spots. As a guy who normally rides Fair Hill and not White Clay (which strangely enough is right next to my parents house) - are there always douche bags trying to make their strava time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    I ended up ridding it today with my son. Trails were in OK shape but with some soft spots. As a guy who normally rides Fair Hill and not White Clay (which strangely enough is right next to my parents house) - are there always douche bags trying to make their strava time?
    You may have just crossed paths at a bad spot? There are a ton of fun downhill sections that are pretty easy to get carried away on. Also lots of blind spots with the overgrowth coming in strong this time of year.

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    Hey guys, how bad did White Clay get hit by that storm the a few nights back? I know parts of Jersey got slammed and there's a lot of downed trees at the Wiss. I was hoping to get to White Clay before more rain moves in this weekend but I don't want to hurt the trail. Anyone know?

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    I rode it last night before the rain moved in and it was soft in a few places but otherwise rideable. I am not sure if the overnight rain made things worse.

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    We got more rain here yesterday. Given the amount of rain over the past week or so I wouldn't expect the any of the local trails including WCC to be ready for riding until next week based on the current forecast. I know it sucks but you can't control the weather. I'll be hitting the gym this weekend and try again Monday or Tuesday.

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    OK. I might take my chances. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eBayRider View Post
    We got more rain here yesterday. Given the amount of rain over the past week or so I wouldn't expect the any of the local trails including WCC to be ready for riding until next week based on the current forecast. I know it sucks but you can't control the weather. I'll be hitting the gym this weekend and try again Monday or Tuesday.
    Sorry, just saw this. I'll reevaluate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V1k1ng View Post
    I am not sure if the overnight rain made things worse.
    It has, WCC needs a good 24-48 hours to sufficiently dry in the majority of locations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorth2 View Post
    OK. I might take my chances. Thanks!
    Out of respect for those that maintain the trails as well as those that ride them regularly I wouldn't take my chances if I were you. We got a good soaking last night and torrential rain Tuesday night. A friend of mine tried trail running on the David English trail Wednesday and told me it was a sloppy mess.

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    I was out there last night before the rain, and I thought conditions were good to excellent. We didn't get much rain last night, but there's more expected tomorrow. Overall, considering the amount of rain we've had in June, trails were good.
    Quote Originally Posted by V1k1ng View Post
    I rode it last night before the rain moved in and it was soft in a few places but otherwise rideable. I am not sure if the overnight rain made things worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eBayRider View Post
    Out of respect for those that maintain the trails as well as those that ride them regularly I wouldn't take my chances if I were you. We got a good soaking last night and torrential rain Tuesday night. A friend of mine tried trail running on the David English trail Wednesday and told me it was a sloppy mess.
    I hope you saw my post. I stayed north. Thanks for the heads up and the work!

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    After all the rain on Saturday, do you think it'll be rideable Monday afternoon? Nice & dry finally today....

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    Quote Originally Posted by EKEL View Post
    After all the rain on Saturday, do you think it'll be rideable Monday afternoon? Nice & dry finally today....
    Unfortunately not. Today was a good drying out day, but we had a long, sustained rain yesterday - and half the trail system was not rideable then. With the forecast, it's looking like another week before the White Clay and Fair Hill trail systems are rideable.

    *Sigh*
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    Sent some rep your way. We got slammed again Saturday. Hopefully the rain stays away this week. I've spent too much time off the bike lately!

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    I managed to get a ride in Friday night. It was only ok then. I can only imagine what the rains did to it over the weekend. Tons of trees down as of Friday. I'd wait till at least Tuesday...really Wednesday to try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eBayRider View Post
    It has, WCC needs a good 24-48 hours to sufficiently dry in the majority of locations.
    Can anyone tell this to the equestrians at Fair Hill down the road? They never seem to get it.
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    I was at white clay on saturday the 20th. I stopped riding as soon as I got into the woods and saw how bad it was. That wasn't stopping the other groups I saw as I was packing up to leave. No one cares, especially the people that "need" to train.

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    Not sure how much rain the Newark area got last night, but there was a strong line of thunderstorms that rolled through southern PA last night. May have postponed decent conditions another day or so yet again. Today is forecast to be sunny and warm so that should do the trails some good. Lots of trees down throughout the entire White Clay/Middle Run area from what I understand.

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    It rained hard last night, but honestly I'd have a hard time saying exactly how much because it was around 2am. It was enough to wake me up though...

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    There are lots of douche bags that ride at white clay. Nox has a page to tell you when the trails are closed. The trailspinners should do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trajan View Post
    There are lots of douche bags that ride at white clay. Nox has a page to tell you when the trails are closed. The trailspinners should do the same.
    Agreed. This Summer has been sucking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trajan View Post
    There are lots of douche bags that ride at white clay. Nox has a page to tell you when the trails are closed. The trailspinners should do the same.
    The Trailspinners have no authority to close trails; they can only ask people to stay not ride them when muddy. Only the land managers can close the trails. White Clay is a Delaware State Park, and Middle Run is a New Castle County Park.

    And in my humble (but accurate) opinion, most of the douche bags of which you speak are not locals. They're generally groups that have planned to drive to the area to ride White Clay, and they're not going to let a few muddy trails ruin their trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinker View Post
    The Trailspinners have no authority to close trails; they can only ask people to stay not ride them when muddy. Only the land managers can close the trails. White Clay is a Delaware State Park, and Middle Run is a New Castle County Park.

    And in my humble (but accurate) opinion, most of the douche bags of which you speak are not locals. They're generally groups that have planned to drive to the area to ride White Clay, and they're not going to let a few muddy trails ruin their trip.
    Nox is owned by the state. The Ride-Nox crew posts when the trails should be ridden or not. Actually, they say the trails are open or closed. They technically don't have the authority to do so, but we all obey it (for the most part). People can't think for themselves and they need guidance. Let the people who maintain the trails have that right.
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    If you're there now, please report. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by homeslice View Post
    Can anyone tell this to the equestrians at Fair Hill down the road? They never seem to get it.
    I hate it when I'm on a non-equestrian trail at Fair Hill and find a lot of deep horse tracks tearing up the trail.

    Fair Hill trails normally dry out a day earlier than White Clay. I rode a number of trails on the north end (higher trails) the other day. Some of them were perfect. I'm going to take a look at White Clay today, but expect that I'll be riding a mix of gravel and trail at Fair Hill due to yesterday's weather.
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    I rode most of the major stuff south of the chunnel this morning. It's not just the occassional mudhole, there are slick spots everywhere. The Chestnut Hill connector heading to Judge Morris was a mess. I would rate it a "D' as a whole, it needs a few more sunny days to dry out. You can hate on me, but the middle run lot was full so it isn't just me out there. A bike shop which will remain unnamed had set up a tent with probably a few dozen riders out for a group ride. You would think they would set an example but that was not the case.

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    I went to Fair Hill. There are a number of trails there that normally dry out a day before White Clay.

    Quote Originally Posted by SoftballGuy View Post
    You can hate on me, but the middle run lot was full so it isn't just me out there.
    This should never be used as an excuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badmovies.org View Post
    I went to Fair Hill. There are a number of trails there that normally dry out a day before White Clay.



    This should never be used as an excuse.

    100% true. SoftballGuy, think about it.
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    The area was supposed to get light rain last night and this morning but I'm not seeing it. Can anyone in the area verify or state that tomorrow would be MUCH better?

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