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    He sure has a nice pair of frames.
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    The WTB Phoenix Thread

    Very nice bikes. I hope you can talk him into selling.

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    "ART" is in the eye of the beholder

    I worked in the bike shop biz for many years and built some really awesome bikes for customers. I could see the writing on the wall, with newer CNC/Billit parts ...Carbon Fiber....and Full Suspension in its infancy. So I decided to build a bike from the area from witch I came. I started building mine back in 1995, and never finished. I have Gore cables and X-Ray Grip Shifters for it, because those parts where available and new back then. The only thing that is not from 95ish is the carbon fiber stem spacer, witch will be coming off when the bike is finished.

    I do like the newer WTB tires with white lettering on the side vs. mine, but again I wont to have everthing from 94,95,96ish.

    Some parts that can't be seen are:

    WTB New Paradigm Bottom Bracket -Ti
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    Not the direction I would have gone with that bike, but the foundation is great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Not the direction I would have gone with that bike, but the foundation is great!
    I didn't build this one for a rider. I did use a few parts that where in the shop showcase that I worked at, that may not have been my first choice, but do to my finances as a bike shop wrench, I did my best at the time I started the build. I had a WTB Cr-Mo Stem on it until I scored the Syncros from a friend and a Bontrager Titec handlebar with XTR front and rear derailleurs, the XTR was only on for a short time do to my Specialized M2 that I was still racing at the time needed a little maintenance. I was also building another Phoenix at this time as my new race bike, It was the dark forest green w/silver decals and a custom painted Rock Shox Judy fork.

    After the build was under way, certain bike parts spoke to me as I tried to make the components flow with each other, like the TNT cranks that tapered near the pedal like the FSX Fork does at the drop out, similar to the seat and chain stays of the frame.

    I would not have used Ritchey W.C.S. Ti pedals but," they spoke to me" with there gold color that matched some of the other parts that where saying I have a touch of gold on me too, like the photos show with the front hub badge....rim sticker....stem bolt washer....fsx fork logo...even the brass pivot bolts on the Paul derailleurs and the springs on the Avid canti brake arms all to go with the little decal on the left chain stay marking the painter of the frame.

    I started this project knowing this bike was going on the wall. So I was more interested in some pretty parts than function, not to say that the "pretty" parts don't work great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desmodetroit View Post
    I was also building another Phoenix at this time as my new race bike, It was the dark forest green w/silver decals and a custom painted Rock Shox Judy fork.
    Too great of a bike to be a wall hanger! Got any pics of the green one? Mine started off green too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Too great of a bike to be a wall hanger! Got any pics of the green one? Mine started off green too.

    Unfortunately No. Along with many other "prized possessions"(Bridgestone X0-1...Bimota SB6R motorcycle... Ducati 900 SS Special Edition motorcycle...Ducati Elefant 900 Enduro...etc...etc ) . I sold to pay the doctors, as my wife and I tried to have children for seven + years .

    WORTH EVERY PENNY for my new "prized possessions".

    I just realized as I was attaching this photo, that it may look like I"m talking about the dirt bike as-well, but I mean the girls.
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    Beautifull girls!! You did good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by desmodetroit View Post
    prized possessions
    Nothing better than having a daughter. Definitely worth every penny!
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    My 1998 with some updates.
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    The WTB Phoenix Thread-img_0756-kopie.jpg

    Starting to build up my Phoenix, Still waiting for Type II. In the meantime it comes with an Accutrax.

    Sorry for lousy photo quality, iPhone.

    If someone own WTB Skewers or a WTB SST Ti saddle and will sent to Germany, let me know.

    Thank you, Alex

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    you need a shorter stem.
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    I know, still in search and high hope ...

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    This article may be elsewhere in this thread ...

    If not, I can do a proper scan and post if interested.
    January '94 Mountain Biking.

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    Wanted: more of the same ... but different

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    They say it's an all day comfort cruiser. NOt what i hear from the fans in VRC
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    They say it's an all day comfort cruiser. NOt what i hear from the fans in VRC
    Mine's comfy. Would be a great all day bike (for a hardtail).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed View Post
    Mine's comfy. Would be a great all day bike (for a hardtail).
    didn't you say something about it being a great technical trail ride?
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    didn't you say something about it being a great technical trail ride?
    Yep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    didn't you say something about it being a great technical trail ride?
    They're great at everything!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCMDoc View Post
    If not, I can do a proper scan and post if interested.
    January '94 Mountain Biking.
    Post the full article if you can.
    Each bicycle owned exponentially increases the probability that none is working correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    Post the full article if you can.
    Will do before weeks end.
    Wanted: more of the same ... but different

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCMDoc View Post
    Will do before weeks end.
    Searched the net for the article, but no success.
    Will be great if you post the complete article.
    Thanks, Alex

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    January 94 Mountain Biking

    If anyone prefers, I can email original scans but each page is ~ 2MB.

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    Wanted: more of the same ... but different

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    if you send me the original scans I can turn them into a PDF file, apply some measure of compression, and post a link here for all to download. PM incoming with my email address.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classen View Post
    if you send me the original scans I can turn them into a PDF file, apply some measure of compression, and post a link here for all to download. PM incoming with my email address.
    Scans emailed!
    Wanted: more of the same ... but different

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    small version (800kb)
    mtn_biking_wtb_phoenix_review_sm.pdf

    big version (9.3MB) -- if you want to see all the little details of the magazine printing process.
    mtn_biking_wtb_phoenix_review.pdf

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    Great, thanks.
    Alex

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    Like you know, I am just start to build up my Phoenix . All works fine, since it comes to brakes (WTB speedmaster canti/Taiwan ). Does someone owns a manual for installing these brakes and will be so kind sent me a scan or know where to find it online?

    Thanks, Alex

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    didn't you say something about it being a great technical trail ride?
    So, reading that write up, I guess I agree for the most part. It was never a superb climber in my opinion with the laid back seat angle, but it gets up the hills just fine. Where it shines though for me is ripping through fast, fun, technical singletrack.

    I think I've said it before; I wouldn't choose it as an XC race bike, but if I was racing the hardtail DH class, it'd be my first choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed View Post
    So, reading that write up, I guess I agree for the most part. It was never a superb climber in my opinion with the laid back seat angle, but it gets up the hills just fine. Where it shines though for me is ripping through fast, fun, technical singletrack.

    I think I've said it before; I wouldn't choose it as an XC race bike, but if I was racing the hardtail DH class, it'd be my first choice.
    It looks similar in numbers to a Yo Eddy: fat oversize tubing, 72/71 angles, long sloping top tubes and a 41.5in wheelbase on a medium frame. Except the Phoenix has a tall head tube.
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    Yo Eddy is a lot more nimble. Phoenix rides more stable, esp at speed. A Yo can be more fun in some ways, but also takes more attention.
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    Hot Rod Phoenix

    I don't do many hot rod bikes these days, but here is my steel Phoenix with a 9 speed dropbar build. I was going to make a billet stem for it but I now have the materials to make an LD.

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    1994 WTB Phoenix SE - Vintage MTB Workshop

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    I don't do many hot rod bikes these days, but here is my steel Phoenix with a 9 speed dropbar build. I was going to make a billet stem for it but I now have the materials to make an LD.

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    1994 WTB Phoenix SE - Vintage MTB Workshop
    Have to say, I'm not diggin the carbon fork choice on that...

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    Debbie Downer strikes again.

    Without custom paint, this fork blends in pretty well.

    Would you prefer the silver WTB brake arch on a yellow, gold, or red Judy? No thanks.

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    How did you adjust the RS to take a roller cam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    Debbie Downer strikes again.
    hahah! Whatever makes you happy, DC.

    Doug Lexington just said the Mohagany seat does not match the Pine bar tape. I'll tell him to shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed View Post
    Doug Lexington just said the Mohagany seat does not match the Pine bar tape. I'll tell him to shut up.

    Haha! Whatever happened to that guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tductape View Post
    How did you adjust the RS to take a roller cam?
    WTB made a Judy arch that accepted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tductape View Post
    How did you adjust the RS to take a roller cam?
    It was a WTB product, as shown here. It weighs a ton.

    Lever Link Brake - Vintage MTB Workshop

    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed View Post
    Doug Lexington just said the Mohagany seat does not match the Pine bar tape. I'll tell him to shut up.
    Tommy Donahue agrees, but calculated that at T = 123 hours of ride time the two would match in color from discoloration of the tape. A new photo will be taken at that time, after which the match will be lost forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    I don't do many hot rod bikes these days, but here is my steel Phoenix with a 9 speed dropbar build.
    Can't say I cared much for suspension forks + drop bars, but thats a cool hotrod.

    I'll repost new pictures of my hotrod Phoenix here soon. New fork is en route that'll really make things plush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Can't say I cared much for suspension forks + drop bars, but thats a cool hotrod.
    I'd gladly trade for a non-suspension corrected frame. This frame needs yet another owner. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    I'd gladly trade for a non-suspension corrected frame. This frame needs yet another owner. :P
    Non-suspension corrected SE 140 would be ideal. That poor frame. You could always send it back to it's first owner.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Can't say I cared much for suspension forks + drop bars,
    Agreed, but I got somethin in the works (not a Phoenix) that seems like it sorta gets by this aesthetic problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed View Post
    Agreed, but I got somethin in the works (not a Phoenix) that seems like it sorta gets by this aesthetic problem.
    Please don't add drops to this bike.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    Please don't add drops to this bike.
    Ha! That one gets slicks and an aero bar.

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    What? No Spins? pffft



    Truth be told, I actually like that JP Morgan.
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    Adding my contribution to the thread

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    Really like the stem and crown all matched up. Looks so clean and beautiful.

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    Beautifull.. but if it was mine i would build the rigid Phoenix w/ a drop bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s_timoshenko View Post
    Adding my contribution to the thread

    '93
    Green one is really nice, but I love the white one!

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    That's dangerously close to the best of both worlds right there
    looking for 20-21" P team

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    The white one gives Jeroen's a run for the money.
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    Different seatpost/saddle, front tire label on the same side...cantis are still cantis. I love the overall color scheme and fork/stem paint.

    The green one looks like such a ripper. Nice pair up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    Different seatpost/saddle, front tire label on the same side..
    Planning to replace the seatpost with a replica of a WTB post with a suntour head. The saddle is a WTB designed Specialized. Also have a set of WTB classic hubs and a WTB-modifed freewheel to built up a new set of wheels. The front tire orientation is intentional. With Timbuk IIs running the front reversed performs a bit better, in my opinion. The beveled edge of the tread is leading to help it roll better and braking is against the square edge of the tread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_timoshenko View Post
    Planning to replace the seatpost with a replica of a WTB post with a suntour head. The saddle is a WTB designed Specialized. Also have a set of WTB classic hubs and a WTB-modifed freewheel to built up a new set of wheels. The front tire orientation is intentional. With Timbuk IIs running the front reversed performs a bit better, in my opinion. The beveled edge of the tread is leading to help it roll better and braking is against the square edge of the tread.
    Yep, good eye. The Timbuk II is has the rotation arrow in the wrong direction. Not sure if that was the case on the originals as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    Different seatpost/saddle, front tire label on the same side...cantis are still cantis. I love the overall color scheme and fork/stem paint.

    The green one looks like such a ripper. Nice pair up!
    That's a WTB designed Prolong seat. Perfect.

    Those tires have the rotation direction pointing the wrong way (consequentially the labels are on the wrong side), especially for the front; rear could somewhat be argued either way.

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    Seatpost plan sounds great! I know the spesh is WTB design, but something about that big S.... would the rear TBII reversed do much worse? Labels are a petty grievance, to be sure, but still annoying
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
    And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD5h3y0a9AU

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    Plus the hardware on the brakes.
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    Really like the stem and crown all matched up. Looks so clean and beautiful.
    Zip ties? Not on my bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff View Post
    Plus the hardware on the brakes.
    Not the dia compe levers. Light and pretty but shimano slr would rock those wtb cantis like nothing else.
    The green Phoenix is rad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    Seatpost plan sounds great! I know the spesh is WTB design, but something about that big S.... would the rear TBII reversed do much worse? Labels are a petty grievance, to be sure, but still annoying
    Traction would be compromised if the rear is reverse, which would be more annoying .

    Quote Originally Posted by jeff View Post
    Plus the hardware on the brakes.
    Chris DeKerf did the repaint. I sent him the brake hardware to match. I was also thinking the blue would be a bit similar to Blue that the Phoenix also was available in.

    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    Not the dia compe levers. Light and pretty but shimano slr would rock those wtb cantis like nothing else.
    The green Phoenix is rad.
    I kind of prefer the performance of the SS5 levers to the SLRs. The SS5s give more feedback and modulation, in my opinion.

    The green '97 still needs some finetuning. The fork travel is set at 80mm currently, I need to bring it down 63mm. I plan to put a Chris King Classic hub with a 140 axle on the rear with a matching front. Currently, the hubs are M950s with washers added to the rear to space it out to 140. The seatpost also needs to be replaced and I'll likely swap the saddle for another SST that doesn't have the yellow kevlar reinforcing. Also the frame will be repainted. It's been already been repainted once but it's thin and there's no clearcoat. I'll keep it green but it will be a pearl or a candy to give colour more depth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_timoshenko View Post
    Traction would be compromised if the rear is reverse, which would be more annoying .
    You're luck you get to ride it. All we get to do is nit pick pics :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    Seatpost plan sounds great! I know the spesh is WTB design, but something about that big S.... would the rear TBII reversed do much worse? Labels are a petty grievance, to be sure, but still annoying
    If you follow the arrow's guidance on the rear you get increased rolling resistance, more climbing traction, and less braking traction. Most tires are marked the opposite of this; they go for less rolling resistance and more braking traction (which is what I'd prefer) so not sure what Panaracer was thinking. For the front it's a no brainer as you get poor braking, more rolling resistance and no benefits if you do what the arrow says.

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    A recent (although not great) shot of my Phoenix. Unlike most of my bikes this one is not period correct, but built with purpose.
    It has evolved over the years and is what I consider to be the best (vintage) bike I've ever ridden.

    95 Phoenix SE suspension corrected frame, 1 1/8" HT - repainted in a dark charcoal with limited black decals.
    RB modified Fox Float 80 (knocked down to 70mm)
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    Easton SL carbon low rise (optional WTB Ti, but I like the slightly wider carbon bars)
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    M900 XTR brifters, ti clamp bolts
    M901 XTR fd, ti pinch bolt (shaved for clearance)
    UN91 XTR BB, 107mm
    Suntour XC Pro Micro Drive (Sugino) forged cranks, 175mm (shaved for clearance), alloy chain ring/crank bolts
    M910 XTR rd, ti pinch bolt, Carmichael pulleys
    Wheelset - F: Chris King ISO, Mavic 317, WS XL14 spokes, alloy nips, R: WTB 140mm, Mavic M231CD, WS DB spokes, alloy nips
    Dura Ace 11-26 8spd cassette
    Brakes: WTB Toggle Cam rear, Avid Road BBDB7, ti rotor bolts
    Quick Release: Salsa F/R/Seat
    WTB (CC) modified Suntour XC seatpost
    WTB SST Ti saddle
    Tires: WTB Motoraptor 2.24 rear, 2.4 front
    King SS cages
    M959 XTR clipless pedals

    With heavy tires and tubes its sitting at 25.75lbs. While the mullet look isn't ideal visually, it lets me run a modern fork and the Toggle Cam out back with the M900 levers.
    It is otherwise a very unassuming bike, which suits me just fine.

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    Great work around on the BB7/lever issue. You say shaved cranks and front derailleur? Crank/Chainstay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff View Post
    Great work around on the BB7/lever issue. You say shaved cranks and front derailleur? Crank/Chainstay?
    Has to be the Road version of the BB7. The feel between front disc and TC isn't too bad either. Better modulation and feel with the Toggle Cam, but the Avid is tolerable.

    And ya with the 107 spindle I needed the FD to release inward just a touch more to make the little ring. Cranks would catch the chainstay with the flex, so the end was shaved a little to clear as well.
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    Cranks would catch the chainstay with the flex, so the end was shaved a little to clear as well.
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    Nah, he just didn't have the juice to tighten the crank bolt enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTB-rider View Post
    Nah, he just didn't have the juice to tighten the crank bolt enough.
    The opposite. I tightened that thing on there so hard I lost all the clearance.
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    Favor request:

    Is anyone able to cite the differences in Phoenix headtube lengths (or any other useful measurements), to help determine/confirm if a particular frame is intended to be suspension corrected or rigid? I seem to find conflicting information in some other old threads, even though this is noted as the surest way to tell. Also, did these numbers change throughout the course of the run, or were the suspension models always intended for a 63mm-ish travel fork?

    I'm mostly interested in the measurements for the 18" frame, but it might be nice, if anyone has them, to include other frame sizes too, as future reference for others.

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    Yep, head tube length difference is the key for sue vs non sus. There are a few PDFs floating around. Dig through these yet?: Catalogues | WTB Archive | Retrobike
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    Found the one I was thinking of:
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    Found the one I was thinking of:
    Thanks, Nate! That's tremendously helpful. Haven't run across that PDF before. I've looked through as many old catalogs as I could find, along with a "late model hardtails" spec sheet that someone here posted, but they all seem to list dimensions for the suspension-correct version only.

    I'm still perplexed about something though, and I guess I'm eventually going to have to embarrass myself with some more information in order to ask the question. (Basically, I'm seeing something where a +/- 385mm a-c fork measurement yields the correct frame angles, on a frame that's supposed to be suspension-corrected...)

    In the meantime, just out of curiosity: Did happen to measure the head and seat tube angles on your green beauty, before and after you installed the type II? If so, how close do they actually come to the specified 71/72?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    The opposite. I tightened that thing on there so hard I lost all the clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumpfy View Post
    the opposite. I tightened that thing on there so hard i lost all the clearance.
    ha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    RBI makes no excuses.
    Standard process is to tighten until you strip the threads or hear a 'crack', then back off a quarter turn.....which ever comes first.
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    farmer tight
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamkeith View Post
    In the meantime, just out of curiosity: Did happen to measure the head and seat tube angles on your green beauty, before and after you installed the type II? If so, how close do they actually come to the specified 71/72?
    Haven't measured -- the Type II I have was made for a sus-corrected Merlin, but feels good. Before I installed that I had a Salsa fork (nice if a bit too flexy) and a Manitou R7 which left it rather choppered...but with 80mm of travel. I'll try to remind myself to measure the next time I swap tires out (could be a while).
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    Changed stem and mounted the brakes, which was a nightmare ....

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    what style brakes are the rear studs for a Phoenix? It has a 140mm rear (this is far from a given on a phoenix)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathydroman View Post
    what style brakes are the rear studs for a Phoenix? It has a 140mm rear (this is far from a given on a phoenix)?
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    Thank you!

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    This is a pretty distinctive bike, so I wouldn't be surprised if it has already showed upon this thread or if one of you guys owns it. Saw it in San Rafael today, possibly in connection with the Appetite Seminar.


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    All business in the front, and party in the back!
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    A question for all you Phoenix owners. I'm building mine for the first time and it has brazed on cable guides under the BB. Do you run the inner cables through these and directly against the BB shell or do you use some sort of thin tube as a "guide" to reduce friction?
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    Since I was using Goretex cables, they came in a sheath that protected the cable. The set also came with guides for different applications.
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    No sheath for me.

    I want to feel everything.
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    I used nokian(?) cable housing liner. Same at the rear brake cable guide (pre-V brake routing). I seem to remember the housing being a pretty tight fit, but the cable itself slides nicely.

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    My setup is ditto to iamkeith...never a problem.
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    I run mine bare back too, no sheath.
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    Great guys...

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    Modern Love:

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    Quote Originally Posted by tductape View Post
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    Looks like quite a weapon Tim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastcoaststeve View Post
    Every time I see a front fender on a mountain bike I want to make motorcycle noises.



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    It has been raining here for day's. The fender keeps the mud out of the eyes. I really like those "the" fenders. They go on and off in five minutes, and they can almost be considered vintage by now.
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    Where was that taken at? I know you are close by. I am awfully jealous. I want a Phoenix more than I can possibly tell you.

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    Spotted this one while out riding today. The owner turned out to be Tony Martin.


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    Who is Tony Martin? Only one of the significant contributors to mountain bike culture and vernacular, starting in 1980 with the first "Ricky Cha" cartoon in the Fat Tire Flyer.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    Spotted this one while out riding today. The owner turned out to be Tony Martin.
    Who is Tony Martin? Only one of the significant contributors to mountain bike culture and vernacular, starting in 1980 with the first "Ricky Cha" cartoon in the Fat Tire Flyer.
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    My 2 cents.

    The 1998 Phoenix SE i bought from a nice Idaho fellow. Since we have a classic ride out in two weeks i wanted it ready for whatever it takes. So to test the water before i build it up as planned, i just threw existing parts at it for the moment. Can't wait to ride it though. Just like the Potts it feels like it fits perfectly already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    Getting there




    Sexy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by eastcoaststeve View Post
    Sexy.



    Fitfinder stem peeking out?




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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    Just to give an idea for where I'm headed with this


    It looks awesome so far....looking forward to seeing progress and completion.




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    Wow! I never knew that there was a such a devoted following to the ol' steed that I've loved for 20 years. I built mine as a sort of graduation present to myself after high school. It was 1996 and a friend sold me his Med Phoenix as he made the move to the new Ibis Bow-Ti. I worked at REI at the time and tried to outfit the bike as well as I could for how little I had as an 18yo guy with a taste for the finer things. The bike is still built up almost exactly as I did it then, only having changed out the brakes and levers (I do miss the Kooka Racha levers, but the Avid Tri-Aligns not so much) and pedals as my OG Onzas finally gave up and I got some Times.

    The build centered around that beautiful frame and oversize Synchro seatpost. I used a Manitou EFC front fork that I converted to coil springs and a 1' threaded steerer. Headset was the same Shimano 600 road unit that the PO had run. Drivetrain is a mix of XTR shift pods, XTR front and XT rear deralliers, and XT BB. Wheels carried over from my previous Barracuda: handbuilt Pauls F-Hub w/ Bontrager BCX-1 front and a re-flanged 36 hole Bullseye freewheel hub with an 8spd FW and BCX-2, and Salsa QRs FnR. Bar was also a carryover, my first WTB part, their old Ti flat bar w/ the plastic "bulge" spacer in the middle, Precision Billet Pro-Shift levers and Bontrager bar ends. my 23 yo Flite saddle rounds it out. This pic is with an old set of Ritchey speedmaxes, but I have since gone back to a full MTB tire with some NOS WTB Velociraptors.

    Enjoy! I still do, but I really need to update the drivetrain.





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    Awesome! Thanks for sharing the bike and backstory.
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    What a beautiful bike.
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    The new stem for my Phoenix is ready for shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauricer View Post
    The new stem for my Phoenix is ready for shipping.

    Nice! Who did the work?
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    Eric Estlund at Winter Bicycles. Had another stem and a fork made too. He knows his fillets.

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    What a bike, but I've sold it
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    Always a good thread to revive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    Getting there

    Hey Hollister, I didn't see this one at the VRC ride a couple weeks ago, is this one all ready to fly out of the gate? Where's this one headed, already spoken for? Not that I could afford it....booo-hooo.

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    I know Ibis would bend the brake levers to match the angle of hbars.. Is it doable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Claus View Post
    Hey Hollister, I didn't see this one at the VRC ride a couple weeks ago, is this one all ready to fly out of the gate? Where's this one headed, already spoken for? Not that I could afford it....booo-hooo.
    Took H long enough to land one, I doubt it's going anywhere ever except the trailhead.
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    That makes sense, seems like it's got all the WTB bells and whistles, Hollister I'm sure I'm not alone here, but a few pics of the finished product would be nice and envy inducing...

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    Not finished yet. A few of the placeholders since this pic have been fixed, a few more to go


    Please forgive the phoeni pics..
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    Not finished yet. A few of the placeholders since this pic have been fixed, a few more to go


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff View Post
    Is the stem coming from Potts?
    No one has been able to convince him to start makin' those again.
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    Reviving this most important thread with a project in progress

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    My favorite color!
    Looking forward to seeing progress at more than a glacier's pace ...
    Wanted: more of the same ... but different

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    soooooo....how is the gossamer Klein coming along?

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    Pretty sure this bike has it's own thread, but here it is in the Phoenix thread.

    My 1993 Wilderness Trail Bikes Phoenix SE, non-suspension corrected, full WTB catalog spec. Even the non-WTB parts are WTB collaboration items.

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    The WTB Phoenix Thread-phoenixbefore.jpg

    After:
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    JNT in Los Gatos
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    Gap in Saratoga
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    Wilder in Santa Cruz
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    -eric-

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    Rumpfy,
    THAT is a truly AWESOME Phoenix.
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    So I finally have one to call my own. A super gracious local who wasn't using his sold it to me and I am now in the process of redoing it. I grabbed a 31.6 Thomson Layback post since it will be a bazillion years till I find a proper Suntour/WTB one. It is a 95 so I will be swapping everything out on it to XTR with the exception of the brakes and rear hub (front hub might also get a WTB.... have a couple things sitting in the hopper that will get tried out on it).

    With that said..... to match the lovely rear brake in the pic above. What front brakes would you run on it and what levers would you run?

    I have a lot of options at my disposal that I could use but I also am not going to skimp on this so even if I don't have something I will buy whatever is needed to best compliment that awesome rear.

    What say you all? As always love to hear your input. Thanks!!

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    My project is starting to pick up steam after sitting around for a year, so I'll throw it in along with the cool green one to get this thread going one.

    Some of you may remember this bike from its time at Mombat.

    The WTB Phoenix Thread-473db365-e22a-4bab-99de-9ee612a9cee0.jpg

    The bike is a 1994, a 1" suspension corrected frame. My Ti Phoenix is already running a Judy so I thought I'd convert this one to a rigid configuration. Steve Potts provided a corrected Type 2 fork last year and I was just noodling along trying to figure out a stem solution to run dirt drops. Steve ended up making a series of stems a couple weeks ago and I managed to get one that matches my rise/reach requirements.

    The WTB Phoenix Thread-e668bf03-1b06-4eb9-8ded-760656a7325a.jpg

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    So I stripped the frame down to send to Rick at D&D to paint the stem and fork to match. He's going to check it over while there and see if he thinks the rust issue is bad enough to address (significant rust spidering across the entire frame). Chuck at PCC rebuilt the wheels with brand new Powerbeam rims so that's good to go, rear is a gunmetal NP and front is a sort of white/pearl white NP. I'm trying to decide whether I'll run the saber cam up front now that the Judy is gone. That brake, despite some of the not so good things I've heard about it was one of the draws for the bike, along with all the amazing things I've heard about the frame itself ofcourse. So, I'm inclined to make it work, but we'll see. I'd like to have a complete gunmetal group on the bike, but that may need to wait.

    The WTB Phoenix Thread-853fa05c-9202-4760-a338-07b5a766e63b.jpg

    Other than that I'm going to get dual cockpits setup, one RM-2 with WTB shiftermounts and DA levers and the other using a Powerband quill stem with a WTB Ti bar and M737. The bike came equipped with a press in BB setup for compact drive and with Shimano M737 more or less. So, I may keep that setup or go with an XC-PRO MD or XC-PRO/XT hybrid. Not exactly sure yet.

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    So I finally have one to call my own. A super gracious local who wasn't using his sold it to me and I am now in the process of redoing it.
    It is a 95 so I will be swapping everything out on it to XTR

    With that said..... to match the lovely rear brake in the pic above. What front brakes would you run on it and what levers would you run?

    What say you all? As always love to hear your input. Thanks!!
    Fantastic pickup. Congratulations.

    Brake levers - Paul would be my first choice, followed by Avid Speed Dial. There are a few others of similar design from that era that would look good and work well.

    Front brake - I assume itís a suspension fork and would run a V-brake while you wait to find something better. Itíll give you similar feel and grab as the rear you have.

    Brake levers means youíre going with shifters other than the XTR Brake/Shifter combo so if youíre doing that, youíll also need to think about which shifters will you be using.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMRTIN View Post
    My project is starting to pick up steam after sitting around for a year, so I'll throw it in along with the cool green one to get this thread going one.

    The bike is a 1994, a 1" suspension corrected frame. My Ti Phoenix is already running a Judy so I thought I'd convert this one to a rigid configuration. Steve Potts provided a corrected Type 2 fork last year and I was just noodling along trying to figure out a stem solution to run dirt drops. Steve ended up making a series of stems a couple weeks ago and I managed to get one that matches my rise/reach requirements.

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    So I stripped the frame down to send to Rick at D&D to paint the stem and fork to match. He's going to check it over while there and see if he thinks the rust issue is bad enough to address (significant rust spidering across the entire frame). Chuck at PCC rebuilt the wheels with brand new Powerbeam rims so that's good to go, rear is a gunmetal NP and front is a sort of white/pearl white NP. I'm trying to decide whether I'll run the saber cam up front now that the Judy is gone. That brake, despite some of the not so good things I've heard about it was one of the draws for the bike, along with all the amazing things I've heard about the frame itself ofcourse. So, I'm inclined to make it work, but we'll see. I'd like to have a complete gunmetal group on the bike, but that may need to wait.

    Other than that I'm going to get dual cockpits setup, one RM-2 with WTB shiftermounts and DA levers and the other using a Powerband quill stem with a WTB Ti bar and M737. The bike came equipped with a press in BB setup for compact drive and with Shimano M737 more or less. So, I may keep that setup or go with an XC-PRO MD or XC-PRO/XT hybrid. Not exactly sure yet.
    Niiiiice!

    That dual bar setup is exactly the same as I had planned for my recently built Potts Ti Phoenix but in the end I chickened out and stuck with the flat bar setup.

    You probably donít need that silver bike anymore.
    Iíll drive down and take it off your hands. Youíll have more room to work and less clutter.

    Hope to see it complete and in person some time this summer.
    Wanted: more of the same ... but different

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCMDoc View Post
    Fantastic pickup. Congratulations.

    Brake levers - Paul would be my first choice, followed by Avid Speed Dial. There are a few others of similar design from that era that would look good and work well.

    Front brake - I assume itís a suspension fork and would run a V-brake while you wait to find something better. Itíll give you similar feel and grab as the rear you have.

    Brake levers means youíre going with shifters other than the XTR Brake/Shifter combo so if youíre doing that, youíll also need to think about which shifters will you be using.
    Thanks!! Funny that I hadn't seen the reply and actually took your advice without knowing it. Used a set of speed dial levers so I could run the same levers for the rear and the vbrake front. I left the White Brothers fork on it for now but will be trying out some other forks over time. I am tossing around the idea of machining a new fork brace for a couple forks so that I can run a set of roller cams up front too.

    For shifters I went with my standard, m732 thumbies. Perfect for the mud of Washington.....

    Took it for a spin with the puppy last night for it's first ride. It has some kinks to still be sorted but was an absolute pleasure to ride. Definitely disappears under you.....

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    hollister, that bike is just perfect!

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    I am loving my 1996 Phoenix, a great rider! Being my own worst enemy, I can't help but want to set this up a little more retro some day, even though it runs perfectly as is. Maybe once I find/order the proper fork...

    20180317_115615 by shamalama88, on Flickr

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    Just finished rebuilding it yesterday. 1999 steel Phoenix...I bought it brand new from WTB. Itís built up with mostly original parts that I rode.
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