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    Wheel ID, Anyone?, Anyone?, Bueller?

    Bought these off CL for my wife's bike vintage bike build. I think they might be older Cane Creek, but not sure. Anybody know year, model or maker?
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    Cane Creek.

    And as an aside? Possibly one of the most annoying wheels on the planet to true, and to build one? A recipe for insanity....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Cane Creek.

    And as an aside? Possibly one of the most annoying wheels on the planet to true, and to build one? A recipe for insanity....
    There are some very similar Spinergys too I think, they fall into the 'oh you broke a spoke? we can't get those anymore, time to buy a new wheel!" category in many shops.
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    They might be original Cronometro's
    If they're Cane Creek they're early ones, circa 1997-98.
    If they're Crono's they coule be up to 5 years older
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    Quote Originally Posted by mechagouki
    they fall into the 'oh you broke a spoke? we can't get those anymore, time to buy a new wheel!" catergory in many shops.
    That's why I got me one of these, and a big old pile of different types of straight pull spokes.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Cane Creek.

    And as an aside? Possibly one of the most annoying wheels on the planet to true, and to build one? A recipe for insanity....
    I did a spoke-over on one of those. It was an all day project even with the tiny ratchet wrench I found at a hobby shop.

    The later models came with a dust cover for the left rear nipples & the front too. Based on that I'd say early Cane Creek.
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    As a former employee of Cronometro and a builder of dozens of those wheels I think I can get you within a year of their assembly. And no, they're not too much of a PITA to true, but then once you've done that for 8 hours at a stretch for weeks and weeks...

    They look to me like they're from the fall of 1995 spring of 1996. The nipples, drive side hub flange and front axle caps are the three points that tell me that. The nipples were changed to include a nylock on the end so we could stop using Red Loctite on the nipples about 1998. Like these...
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    Also about that time (1998) Cronometro stopped drilling blank rims to match the number of spoke holes in the hub. The nail head of the spoke sat better in a radius washer and allowed use of factory drilled rims with 2.0mm holes. It wasn't until later that a more traditional "nipple adaptor" was put into use which allowed the use of any rim with a traditional spoke hole or stainless eyelet. As you can see here and on your rims...

    <img src="http://api.photoshop.com/home_a9cbaba77e7542c7b69a03229f545751/adobe-px-assets/2caadc24ca1b4727baf771bb4dadf586" width="512" height="384" alt="OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA"/><img src="http://api.photoshop.com/home_a9cbaba77e7542c7b69a03229f545751/adobe-px-assets/a653d63b56674091bfb844747e11a216" width="512" height="384" alt="OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA"/>

    The hub flange you have is in between the ones I have. The one on the left is from 1995 before the change to yours. The one on the right is from 2000 after the sale to Cane Creek. It was still hand built since it's a 650c with Ti bladed spokes for my wife's road bike. (a birthday gift) That version is a one piece unit as well with a dust cover for the nipples.
    <img src="http://api.photoshop.com/home_a9cbaba77e7542c7b69a03229f545751/adobe-px-assets/369becc6492b4ea09dbf99b17f113573" width="512" height="384" alt="OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA"/><img src="http://api.photoshop.com/home_a9cbaba77e7542c7b69a03229f545751/adobe-px-assets/50ebeca87f0e45a3ba39fbb8169d5cea" width="512" height="384" alt="OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA"/>

    There wasn't as much refinement going on with the front hub. The hub remained relatively unchanged until the sale to Cane Creek. The axle caps went through 2 versions. The ones you have are 2nd generation caps the ones in the image below are 1st generation caps. Don't read anything into that. They are interchangeable so you could run one of each on a hub. The version you have covers the outer seal of the bearing better.
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    The rims you have are Velocity and I think are a 26" version of the Deep V. If I remember right, we made something like 100 pair of those for one of Bianchi's very high end cross country bikes. We also made the same number of road versions for a Reparto Corse model. For the 1995 Interbike in Anaheim we made many extra wheels which we displayed in the booth and sold to the attendees. It may even have been a pair of those.

    If your wife crashes and destroys the rims you'll have options since they're both 28 hole. You'll just have to call Colin and tell him what hubs you have and what rims you want to use and they will cut you the correct spokes. As for truing, the spoke wrench I used every day is a 3/16" Spark Plug Wrench. It has been bent and ground to allow a better fit in the hub, but a wrench out of the bag from Sears will work just fine. The Cane Creek wrench next to it came with wheels or hubs purchased from Cane Creek. They may still have them for sale.
    <img src="http://api.photoshop.com/home_a9cbaba77e7542c7b69a03229f545751/adobe-px-assets/047c22f9a1b34d9199d6043def2d18c1" width="512" height="384" alt="OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA"/><img src="http://api.photoshop.com/home_a9cbaba77e7542c7b69a03229f545751/adobe-px-assets/b1fab3f8b668458587ea646af376b2a6" width="512" height="384" alt="OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA"/>
    As for needing the wrenches, hopefully you won't need them. I have several sets of Crono wheels on many bikes. My wife and daughter also use them. Because of the way we built them the wheel would have to be crashed fairly severely to need to be trued. Road & MTB racing and basic trail use won't knock the wheels out of true. The rims chosen weren't prone to deflection and were manufactured well enough that when assembling the wheels fell into true very easily. Assembly and tensioning by the builder (4 of us) wasn't rushed. There was a standard of deflection for vertical and lateral trueness which was absurdly tight. Most times it was the seam that irritated us.
    Authorities speculate that speed may have been a factor. They are also holding gravity and inertia for questioning.

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    Caffine Powered to the rescue!

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge on the wheels. They are from the Anaheim area, so they could be from Interbike in 95'. I was at that show and do recall seeing those wheels. Thanks again.

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    Great info Caffeine Powered, that's why I always check here daily. There are lots of those out there and mine included can use a truing.
    Too many bikes, and just enough time to ride them.

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