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    Thoughts on an early Stumpy Epic Carbon

    I've got a lead on an early 90's Stumpjumper Epic Carbon (I'm pretty sure steel lugged) and I need some feedback.
    Frame looks to be ok, simple upgrades (ringle skeewers, Mag 20 fork, A-Tac stem, Hyperlite bars). Early underbar XT drivetrain.

    Down sides...no cranks, u-brake bike, and the bottom bracket it seized.

    Asking twofiddy ($250) for it....It is worth it? There is a better than average chance of freeing up the bb, but if not....

    Thoughts?
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    Just do it.....

    if all else fails, buy the whole lot, strip it for spares/sell it on eBay and keep the frame, or give the frame to me if its a 17"?

    i'd love someone to offer me one for 250 bucks......

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    I'd go for it. $250?! that's cheap for sure. And if I'm not mistaken, I always thought that the Carbon Epic had lugs that were welded Ti from Merlin. Check out the newest velonnews for a history on Ti in bikes.
    Just a regular guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    And if I'm not mistaken, I always thought that the Carbon Epic had lugs that were welded Ti from Merlin
    some were done by Merlin, a lot were steel, or even painted steel...

    still, for $250 it would almost be rude not too, especially considering your new status, imagine if that frame were sold to some kid who resprayed it, or broke it, it would be such a waste.....

    dont just do it for yourself, do it for all of us......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djuc Wun
    some were done by Merlin, a lot were steel, or even painted steel...

    still, for $250 it would almost be rude not too, especially considering your new status, imagine if that frame were sold to some kid who resprayed it, or broke it, it would be such a waste.....

    dont just do it for yourself, do it for all of us......

    *sigh* You're right. I guess if I have to. I'll take one for the team....and give you the frame if it's a 17"

    The lugs are painted on this guy. Probably steel.
    Merlin did pitch in on making the limited edition Ned Overand edition Epics....which are worth up in the thousand dollar range for just the frame. I've seen a few go through eBay.

    And yeah, strip the parts for eBay (or MTBR classifieds) and keep part of it.

    If I end up with it today I'll post pics.
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    Good man, keep us informed!

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    hi guys

    the specialized epic mde some fairly big changes throughout its lifespan.
    you say this is U brake equipped?
    early models had real long steel lugs with tiny carbon mid sections. as time progressed the lugs got smaller, the carbon longer. Intionally it was difficult to tell the steel lugged epic, from the ti lugged ultimate epic (yes, lugs made by merlin, painted in oregon, hand built by chris murphy at morgan hill california.)
    The steel lugged frame was later dropped soon after the first M2s came out around 92/93.
    I always found it weird that the later grey lugged (now specialized ultimate, no longer called epic) ti frame, still had painted lugs? Why didnt they polish them!?

    I lived in surrey for two years. I saw 3 on the trails while I lived there, this could partially be due to the UK specialized importer being close by in epsom (I've heard that 1 of the specialized guys still has 1 & will never sell!)
    The last versions of the ti ultimate were so light! like 2.7lbs, with a 3.3UK pounds price tag!

    so in answer to your question. specialized may not have quite the uber retro kult appeal of some smaller boutique frame builders. But purely due to its relationship to Neds early years campaigning on the frame (1990 worlds!) & its rarity. Its definately a frame to keep hold of, even hang on the wall. I know I would (spesky guy off singletrack, now thats another story

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    Well...I broke down and bought it. I'll post some pics when I get a chance.
    I think overall it's a good deal. It was much lighter in weight than I thought...
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    Taken from the Forst Flight bikes mailer:

    I was in charge of the carbon Epic frame project when I worked at
    Specialized in the 1980's. I am very sure that the Epic was first, but I
    don't remember the date. We sold a steel luged version somewhere around
    1988. Ned won the 1990 world championship on a frame I made, the new
    VeloNews incorrectly says that Merlin made the lugs for this bike. Peter
    Johnson made the lugs for this one bike, Rob Vandermark worked at Merlin on
    the production version lugs. Ned's frame was made using special carbon
    fiber from DuPont and weighed only 2.2 pounds without fork, at the time the
    lightest in the world. These frames inspired Rob, who now president of
    Seven cycles, to combine carbon tubes into Ti frames. They were way ahead
    of their time.

    Jim Merz
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    Morgan Hill, CA


    Hope thats of some help dude - and get us some pics!

    Ta, Djuc

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    obviously thats first flight bikes

    D'oh!

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    I guess all you dudes on 1st flight bikes? seems mr.nichol of ibis fame made the proto steel /carbon frame the spesky team used in the early days. how cool is that

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    Epic Carbon Pictures...

    Quote Originally Posted by Djuc Wun
    Taken from the Forst Flight bikes mailer:

    Hope thats of some help dude - and get us some pics!

    Ta, Djuc

    Ok...here are a couple pics. I've got quite a few more but you get the idea.
    I'm having the seized bb takend out...and I'll see where I want to go from there....
    Any ideas as to what year. By the decals I think it may be pre-90's (89 perhaps). The parts that are on it are old, but not period correct...



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    hey nice pics! nice bike! mail these pics to firstflight bikes, some1 on there's bound to have a good idea on age. U-brake under the chainstay being a good indication.
    its funny seeing bikes like this some times. seems like only yesterday seeing them in the specialized catalogue

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    "By the decals I think it may be pre-90's (89 perhaps)."

    This is my 89 Stumpy, though obviously not an epic. No pink flash behind the dt sticker, and the tt sticker is italicized block letters with no shading mounted towards the front of the tube. Sorry about the pic quality. You might see it a little better if you tack <.orig.jpg> on the url.

    I think I remember first seeing the manly pink flashing around 87, and my 85 Rockhopper definitely didn't have it.

    Edit: Oh, and there's nothing on the seat tube but the tubing sticker and a WC rainbow sticker.

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    to be honest, it looks a bit more, well, ordinary than I was expecting.... I'm sure she could be turned round to look great though, I would be inclined to keep the stickers/frame as is, I reckon a certain amount of patina adds to a bikes appeal

    oh, and ill take the Ringle skewers off her if you want Rumpfy?

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    my 2 cents.....

    relating on firstflight´s specialized specs http://www.firstflightbikes.com/specialized_specs.htm it is a 1989 specialized stumpjumper epic.
    definitely one of the rare models with u-brake. looks very nice to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djuc Wun
    to be honest, it looks a bit more, well, ordinary than I was expecting.... I'm sure she could be turned round to look great though, I would be inclined to keep the stickers/frame as is, I reckon a certain amount of patina adds to a bikes appeal

    oh, and ill take the Ringle skewers off her if you want Rumpfy?
    Funny, that's one of the things that caught my eye when it was hanging in the rafters in the shop. He said Ti rear, steel front, but I guess we'll see. I'll have a silver pair that I'd be selling in place of the blacks though....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rasaldul
    relating on firstflight´s specialized specs https://www.firstflightbikes.com/specialized_specs.htm it is a 1989 specialized stumpjumper epic.
    definitely one of the rare models with u-brake. looks very nice to me.
    I'll throw it up on FFB as well. Looking at the chart, it would indicate a first gen Epic. All the drive train is Shimano, for 1990 it was Sun Tour.
    As Wooglin said about the decals, I had an late 89 early 90 with the block 'Specialized' script on the top tube. This has a good chance of being pre-90.

    Thanks for all the helpfull information guys!

    I just got a call from my LBS and the seized BB came out with no problems. Chased the casing and the frame is golden! (or carbon as it were...)




    And I'll get an after picture of the BB
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    Ned Overand Limited

    Here's the other Carbon Epic we've been talking about...
    This Ti luged jobbie:
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    Sidenote: There was a roadie version - Allez Epic - carbon tubes with pointy aluminum lugs (like lugs on a steel frame)... early-90's?

    A friend of mine might be disposing of one... I'll post a pic if/when I get it...

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    eric,

    i have found a test of the first gen epic in mba from july 1988 - here are the scans, i hope you all sit on the fast lane

    stumpy epic 1
    stumpy epic 2
    stumpy epic 3
    stumpy epic 4
    stumpy epic 5

    really nice - isn´t it?
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    Anyone have one of theses

    I had a S-Works ultimate that i sold (DONT ASK ME WHY) last year. It was the best bike ever. period. Anyone have a frame for sale they want to get rid of??? please????

    email me... briansavery at hotmail.com

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    Stumpy Epic Carbon is for sale...

    Quote Originally Posted by bsavery
    I had a S-Works ultimate that i sold (DONT ASK ME WHY) last year. It was the best bike ever. period. Anyone have a frame for sale they want to get rid of??? please????

    email me... briansavery at hotmail.com
    Please check this link to the MTBR classifieds if you're looking to buy one:
    MTBR Classieds Ad
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    Font and graphics look similar to my 1988 rockhopper.

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    Ouch. You've brought back such a painful thread.

    I've neither of my Epics anymore.
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    here is my ultimate...




    wanted:
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    - potts type I or II fork
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    Cool-blue Rhythm S-Works Ultimate

    used to have one just like yours - a 1993 that I rode for many happy years until the seattube cracked ....

    well just got me a new one - a 1992 this time

    this thing just is so much fun on the local singletracks
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    Quote Originally Posted by freakforti
    used to have one just like yours - a 1993 that I rode for many happy years until the seattube cracked ....

    well just got me a new one - a 1992 this time

    this thing just is so much fun on the local singletracks
    Think I posted this in another thread but I just picked up a frame off ebay too...

    Gonna make it a SINGLESPEED!
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    Great looking bike!

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    Hey, Scant...I want my Epic back now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newsboymerlin
    here is my ultimate...
    Whatever you do Newsboy....don't use that Ti Specialized stem! They're not the safest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Whatever you do Newsboy....don't use that Ti Specialized stem! They're not the safest.
    rumpfy, the frame is too large... i'm not going to use it...

    ashok
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    Weird question:
    anyone have frame geometry numbers for these frames? I'm looking to build mine up and wondering how long a stem I should use (18 inch frame)

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    We the people ...

    times (edit doh!) are changing as far as stem lengths go. I rode 135mm until 98. Now I use 100mm on all my normal (non retro) hard riding/ mileage bikes.

    although for the record I've got a 120mm on my 91 epic
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    Cool-blue Rhythm S-Works Ultimate frames specs ...

    I run a 150mm - 6° Helfrich Ti stem just like I used to back then

    here you can find Specialized frame specs starting from 1990

    http://www.mtb-kataloge.de/

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by aosty
    Sidenote: There was a roadie version - Allez Epic - carbon tubes with pointy aluminum lugs (like lugs on a steel frame)... early-90's?

    A friend of mine might be disposing of one... I'll post a pic if/when I get it...
    I have the roadie version of the Allez Epic. I'm only the second owner and it has seen very few miles overall. I believe it's a 1991 -- I'll ask the original owner next time I talk to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aosty
    Sidenote: There was a roadie version - Allez Epic - carbon tubes with pointy aluminum lugs (like lugs on a steel frame)... early-90's?

    A friend of mine might be disposing of one... I'll post a pic if/when I get it...
    ....but I thought they did a mountain version with those pointy (ti) lugs as well??...not just the std lugs in most of these pics.

    ...as for the year I'd say 88. I bought a pine mountain in 89 and looked a the stumpy - the paint job on the specialised predates that.

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