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    I was visiting a bike shop in northern Westchester county NY (www.yorktowncycles.com) and snapped a few pictures of this custom built period piece.
    I think the builder worked in a shop in Port Chester NY. The frame is in no danger of being blown away in a wind storm, (the custom cut and relieved seat collar is steel) but is interesting and looks to be in working order. For the interested collector It can probably be picked up for cheap. The owner also said he had a Manito(u) 1 though I did not see it as I was too busy liberating the Turner Burner and oogling the Maverick American forked Titus Switchblade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A:42
    I was visiting a bike shop in northern Westchester county NY (www.yorktowncycles.com) and snapped a few pictures of this custom built period piece.
    I think the builder worked in a shop in Port Chester NY. The frame is in no danger of being blown away in a wind storm, (the custom cut and relieved seat collar is steel) but is interesting and looks to be in working order. For the interested collector It can probably be picked up for cheap. The owner also said he had a Manito(u) 1 though I did not see it as I was too busy liberating the Turner Burner and oogling the Maverick American forked Titus Switchblade.
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    it looks like a rebadged Asama Rockline Race FS from the mid 90s with a slightly different linkage. Its hardly original as a result.

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    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery is it not?

    [QUOTE=DeeEight]it looks like a rebadged Asama Rockline Race FS from the mid 90s with a slightly different linkage. Its hardly original as a result.
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    I didn't see anything in the post about the fact that the frame in New York was being billed as an original design, just custom?

    I guess you know for sure that Asama did not rebadge the Strnad design or got it by R&D from someone else?
    A bike by any other name is still a bike.

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    [QUOTE=Bigwheel]
    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    it looks like a rebadged Asama Rockline Race FS from the mid 90s with a slightly different linkage. Its hardly original as a result.
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    I didn't see anything in the post about the fact that the frame in New York was being billed as an original design, just custom?

    I guess you know for sure that Asama did not rebadge the Strnad design or got it by R&D from someone else?
    Considering I was an asama dealer, and have been around full suspension bikes since the beginning, yes.

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    Yeah, they sure alike to me....

    if I close my good eye and roll 30 feet away from my monitor. Check again the pivots on the front triangle, lower shock mount, shape of the chainstays, chainstay bridge...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    it looks like a rebadged Asama Rockline Race FS from the mid 90s with a slightly different linkage. Its hardly original as a result.

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    bzzzztt! it looks very different to me: main pivot location on the strnad is behind the BB and not above like asama. it seems also, to have a cs/ss pivot. both pivot locations would give a very different ride. far, very far from a "rebadged asama.
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    there's no dropout pivots on the either, they're both chromoly frames, and the front ends are identical. Ok, the main pivot was relocated on the copy. Whoopy. Asama made frames for OTHER brands too you know ! Asama is like giant... a rather big company that makes bikes for multiple brands (they also own the Kuwahara brand name).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    there's no dropout pivots on the either, they're both chromoly frames, and the front ends are identical. Ok, the main pivot was relocated on the copy. Whoopy. Asama made frames for OTHER brands too you know ! Asama is like giant... a rather big company that makes bikes for multiple brands (they also own the Kuwahara brand name).
    i see drop out seatstay pivots... now, is that rocker/ pivot location an asama design? if the strnad is copying anyone, it's not asama. anyway, whatever...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    there's no dropout pivots on the either, they're both chromoly frames, and the front ends are identical. Ok, the main pivot was relocated on the copy. Whoopy. Asama made frames for OTHER brands too you know ! Asama is like giant... a rather big company that makes bikes for multiple brands (they also own the Kuwahara brand name).
    How do you know Asama didn't copy (er, borrow design ideas) from the Strnad? After all, if you deal with Taiwan, you know what the moniker R&D means. Jeez A:42 was just showing us a vintage suspension frame.

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    Yep, I'm seeing pivots on the seat stays as well. Best not be sucha jumpy jerk there D8. You're falling back to your old self there. This was a simple post showing a cool, rusty old bike and you hijack it to a "They copied it! Its not original!" thread. Thanks.
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    I looks like a Fat Chance Shock-a-Billy

    It actually looks most like a last-run-version of the Fat Chance Shock-a-Billy
    Which were made in upstate New York.

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    No Fat (But heavy as hell)

    Just showing an old frame not making claims (other than this is not in any way shape or form a Fat Chance).
    This is probably somebody else’s rear triangle mated to a Strnad front (Note the traces of blue paint on the chain stay pivot and the painted over CS protector)
    Of more interest to the curmudgeon collectors on the board might be the fork and shock. These items might be had by the right person bearing a friendly smile and a six (or so) of tasty brew. That is provided they dragged the entire carcass from the premises not merely stripped it of it’s part’s, (and dump it on your own dumpster not the shops)

    D8 I doubt that it is the same frame as the red ones you have posted there, and am wondering if your contribution might have been better received if you posted your frames with a “hey that looks similar to some cool old frames I used to rep” cause we always appreciate a peek at the stuff that makes us go “Yeah I remember….”

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    A:42,
    Sorry to say, DeeEight doesn't care if his posts are well received- he doesn't sugarcoat his arrogance for anyone. His apparent purpose for being on this board is to occasionally pop up and tell people that they are wrong, that he has been around longer, and that what he has in his collection is cooler, and occasionally to unload something he doesn't want anymore for a profit.
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    Actually I am very familiar with D8’s MO, I gain no pleasure from replying to him in kind and chose to assume that he means well in his own special way and does not always realize how he comes across. I think that ocassionally he even has interesting information to add, and obviously has been involved in the industry for a long time, though at times, he forgets he is not the only one who wore a Bell V1 Pro

    Oh and I am pretty sure there are pivots on the seat stays, and I hope no large company made this frame as it is pretty home brewed. from what I remember Strnad's claim to fame was frame repair.
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    try enhancing the brightness of the image...there's no pivot or bolt assembly on the dropouts. There are different colors of paint and a rather messy brazing job though ( plus some rust on the frame).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    Christ, when are you gonna stop being such a prick? Oops, sorry that would be....never.
    can't be bothered to enhance the image eh? typical.

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    Consider a weekend chill pill ride

    Sorry D8 I actually do not make my living on MTBR and do not monitor the boards regularly so…better late than never here are the dropout images clipped full size from the original picture. I have a sneaking suspicion that the rear end might have been borrowed from a Jamis but you might be better able to identify it than me.

    Personally I am wondering why the aggressive tone regarding a simple post of an artifact from the past? There was no claim to pedigree beyond being a Strnad and being heavy as hell. I think the pictures make the case for the quality of workmanship , and as I said before it was posted as a mildly interesting oddity. Let’s face it, it is no Cunningham but it is different and old and possibly of interest to some one seeking a 1” (Rock) Shock or (Fox) Alps shock or even a boat anchor.

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    I know Frank. He's a small custom builder that's been around since dirt was new. He didn't necessarily copy anything unless you consider every bike that uses tubes a copy of another. How many MTB's have you seen that had a dropped top tube and secondary structural tube from TT to ST? Hmmm? EWR, Moots (early & late), and just about every current DS MTB on the planet. As far as similarities of the rear linkage goes, there are only so many ways to skin a cat. Looks to me like he use fork blades for the chainstays and fabbed everything up himself.

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    Besides the above bikes with the reinforcing tube... Boulder (which is another brand I used to sell) did it like 1994 on their Starship and Finesse model FS bikes, plus there was Balfa doing it on the early woolybooly's around 1996.. It actually wasn't that rare of a feature. Mountain Goat's Whiskeytown FS (1993) had it also. Hell, the original Supergo Access FS (1993) had one too (in a 7005T6 frame mind you).

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    It is the exact same design as a 1998 Fat Chance Shock-a-billy, built in New York at the Serotta factory.This was a rocker link model that Chris was making in house vs. the older Shock-a-billy that had a Fat Chance steel front triangle and bolt on AMP rear. The 98' was also made in steel, all steel....also not light.

    On the aside, you guys should get over yourselves. I think your forum bickering is stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pulli
    It is the exact same design as a 1998 Fat Chance Shock-a-billy, built in New York at the Serotta factory.This was a rocker link model that Chris was making in house vs. the older Shock-a-billy that had a Fat Chance steel front triangle and bolt on AMP rear. The 98' was also made in steel, all steel....also not light.

    On the aside, you guys should get over yourselves. I think your forum bickering is stupid.
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    The Boulder with the shock behind the seattube doesn't look a whole bunch to me like the Strnad pictured above, with its shock located on pivots located at the bottom-front of the seattube.
    About the Shock-a-Billy, a friend of my brother's rode one of the older ones, maybe a 1995. I thought it was essentially an AMP bike the typical shock under the seattube and pivots in front of the rear dropout, and not too similar to the Strnad. Is my memory off, or did Fat Chance change the design of their full suspension bike without changing its name? It's been years since I have seen any Shock-a-Billy so I may be totally off. Could someone help me out here?
    Pulli- I don't know how often you see this board, but DeeEight has been around for as long as anyone can remember on this board, and even though he contributes some knowledge, it is almost always in the context of an insult or some self-gratifying comment. That's why everyone is down on him.
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    As an aside the two incarnations of the Shock-a-billy

    http://www.firstflightbikes.com/1994...hockABilly.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by uphiller
    The Boulder with the shock behind the seattube doesn't look a whole bunch to me like the Strnad pictured above, with its shock located on pivots located at the bottom-front of the seattube.
    TRY TO FOLLOW THE FLOW OF A CONVERSATION WILL YA?!

    I wasn't comparing the boulder to the strnad on overall appearance. I was referring to the reinforcing tube between the toptube and seattube, as not being a very unique feature as MANY frames have used them. The fatchance shock-a-billy (both the amp and the linkage versions) had it also. Balfa 2-steps as well, and a host of other bikes, and practically every full suspension with an interrupted seattube has a similar concept at work.

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    [QUOTE=DeeEight]TRY TO FOLLOW THE FLOW OF A CONVERSATION WILL YA?!

    After reading what you posted I realized that it was about the extra bracing for the top tube and not about the appearance of the bike per se.
    Guess you were just laying in wait as usual for someone to make a mistake so you could creep out of the woodwork and tell everyone how much more clever and knowledgeable you are. My comment that the Boulder and the Strnad don't look much alike was in any case intended to have as neutral a tone as possible, buy you misread as usual... maybe your pissy response cited above stems from mistakenly reading your own surliness into my in fact neutral comment?
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    Bonking ... not feelin' well

    Ok
    The later Generation Shock A Billy is pretty cool and I have never seen one in flesh or pictures, it is pretty cool and shows similarities in construction. Thanks for posting the cool info.

    D thanks for the pictures of the boulders, I sold a couple of boulders back in the day and always thought they were a very nice design in their time.

    A Clarification regarding my intention for posting the original pictures. I was making no claims to earth shattering originality or ground breaking design concepts, rather sharing an old full suspension frame I came across with the readers of the board. I am saddened to have my original post degenerate into b!tchy retorts and personal attacks. D8 if you could please take a moment and re-read my original post (without adding any editorializing) I hope you will realize that I made no claims other than some one made this frame in a small shop (Hence “Custom”) and that it was heavy and possibly moderately interesting to readers of this board.



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    [QUOTE=DeeEight]Besides the above bikes with the reinforcing tube... Boulder (which is another brand I used to sell) did it like 1994 on their Starship and Finesse model FS bikes, plus there was Balfa doing it on the early woolybooly's around 1996.. It actually wasn't that rare of a feature. Mountain Goat's Whiskeytown FS (1993) had it also. Hell, the original Supergo Access FS (1993) had one too (in a 7005T6 frame mind you).
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    Which was my point, every bike that used the TT/ST secondary structural tube look alike and they were popular back then just like they are today and it's easier to build than a bent tube. Frank, like every designer, builds on what others have done before him. This example is obviously completely hand fabricated and it looks like he took the hard way around when he could have used any number of rear ends which were popular back in the day. How many different DS bikes used the Amp rear tri? Tons. I just wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Frank's efforts as a copy when we don't know that it is, and when it obviously had many contemporaries when it was built. Who built what first is hard to say. Frank still builds fine custom frames today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    obviously completely hand fabricated and it looks like he took the hard way around when he could have used any number of rear ends which were popular back in the day. How many different DS bikes used the Amp rear tri? Tons. I just wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Frank's efforts as a copy when we don't know that it is, and when it obviously had many contemporaries when it was built. Who built what first is hard to say. Frank still builds fine custom frames today.
    What exactly is the hard way about that rear end? And why did someone think he used fork blades for the chainstays?! Because they curve upwards to the dropouts? That's hardly an
    indication of fork blades. Univega used to do that on their hardtail frames, and Ritchey's plexus frames have seatstays that curve at the dropouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    What exactly is the hard way about that rear end? And why did someone think he used fork blades for the chainstays?! Because they curve upwards to the dropouts? That's hardly an
    indication of fork blades. Univega used to do that on their hardtail frames, and Ritchey's plexus frames have seatstays that curve at the dropouts.
    The "hard way" in that he obviously fabricated the whole thing himself as opposed to just buying an "off-the-shelf" rear tri. I thought I had made that plain in my other post.

    I suspect he used fork blades for two reasons, 1, because it was a common thing to do for steel DS bikes back then as fork blades were available in thicker gauges and made it easier when attaching pivots and whatnot, and 2, because of the size and shape of what's shown in the pics. I'm aware that a lot of builders curved the chainstays to the dropouts, Schwinn Paramount MTBs were all like that and I even used to do it myself http://www.anvilbikes.com/gallery/de...p?image_id=93& and still do on occassion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    The "hard way" in that he obviously fabricated the whole thing himself as opposed to just buying an "off-the-shelf" rear tri. I thought I had made that plain in my other post.

    I suspect he used fork blades for two reasons, 1, because it was a common thing to do for steel DS bikes back then as fork blades were available in thicker gauges and made it easier when attaching pivots and whatnot, and 2, because of the size and shape of what's shown in the pics. I'm aware that a lot of builders curved the chainstays to the dropouts, Schwinn Paramount MTBs were all like that and I even used to do it myself http://www.anvilbikes.com/gallery/de...p?image_id=93& and still do on occassion.
    i'm a fan of your work and hope to have one of your customs (a road bike in max tubing!)...one day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    i'm a fan of your work and hope to have one of your customs (a road bike in max tubing!)...one day.
    Thanks, Colker.

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    I actually have a NOS frame that I am building up now. I'll post some pics when it is done.

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