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    Specialized FSR MAX backbone

    Anyone remember what years they made the extruded MAX Backbone frame? At least 1 year they used chameleon paint on it. A friend had one of the welded tubing FSR frames that cracked, he got a MAX frame and rode the wheels off of it, I've got it now for when he comes to ride and it still rides great. Got a chance to pick one up, trying to ID it. Can't ride rigid in the rocks ALL the time.

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    I remember those! A guy at the shop I used to work got one of those. We waited and waited, finally showed up, that paint was so cool. I too rode the crap out of it. Enjoy!
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    Pretty sure it was 1997

    They offered an FSR Pro in a color called Cosmic, which was mostly black, but had mica or a prism in the paint or clear coat that gave it a rainbow reflection. There was also a fire engine red FSR Elite and a gloss black FSR LTD. All Max Backbones, all with USA built front ends, (probably from Anodizing Inc in Oregon) and most with USA built rear ends.

    The USA rear ends were grey instead of the Taiwan black, and used a larger OD tube for at least the seat stays. MRP used to make a brake mount that bolted to the outside of the OS seatstays and we used them in later years to upgrade these overbuilt frames. MRP also had a needle bearing kit and a long travel kit that came with a Stratos coil shock.

    With these upgrades, these frames remained trail performance-competitive until the into of the monocoque Enduro in 2001. From then on, the older Max bikes were merely competitive in terms of durability and craftsmanship.

    Anyone remember the C3, and the ensuing recall?

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    Nice!

    Dude, you gotta post pics of that thing. I just google searched it and came up with nothing.

    PS, I just found this cool smiley!


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    Quote Originally Posted by backpedal
    Anyone remember the C3, and the ensuing recall?
    Oh yeah, we had 2 customers waiting for those, had been for a while, then the plug got pulled.... Unhappy guys, they were Anyone have pics of the C3?
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    Thanks for the info! Yeah, the C3. I was selling Specialized back in those days but nobody tried to order one. I found reference to a 98 FSR Comp with "eggplant colored" changing paint in an old review. Anyone know if the bearing kits are still available?
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    Quote Originally Posted by azjeff
    Anyone remember what years they made the extruded MAX Backbone frame? At least 1 year they used chameleon paint on it. A friend had one of the welded tubing FSR frames that cracked, he got a MAX frame and rode the wheels off of it, I've got it now for when he comes to ride and it still rides great. Got a chance to pick one up, trying to ID it. Can't ride rigid in the rocks ALL the time.

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    The Max Backbone frames did come out in 97. They were extruded and welded at Anodizing Inc in Portland, Oregon, right up the street from Kinesis. The Mountainspeed guys were a mile or so south, on 1st St if I remember correctly. I would go to their small upstairs office for spings n things and to see what goodies they had. They had a couple of the red Elite series with the 6 inch MRP rear link and and gold Stratos dual crown forks. Those were some good times, DH racing at Mt Hood. And that reminds me of another bike from that time. A TiCycles URT DH bike.
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    Garners Pro Bikes in Palo Alto California

    We got a few of the C3's, and even sold a couple of them. When they were recalled, we had to get the two back, give the customers a refund, and then offer them their original parts, reinstalled on a Cosmic Max FSR frame at a discounted price.

    When Specialized got the recalled C3's back in house, both new and used, they were stripped for parts, and the parts were sold, first to employees, then to dealers that knew about them, then the rest at "garage sales" held at the Morgan Hill office. Garners got quite a few parts kits on several occasions, and we built up a bunch of FSR LTD's and Cosmics with the high end parts kits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azjeff
    Thanks for the info! Yeah, the C3. I was selling Specialized back in those days but nobody tried to order one. I found reference to a 98 FSR Comp with "eggplant colored" changing paint in an old review. Anyone know if the bearing kits are still available?

    I've got a '98 FSR Ground Control that is still getting the crap beaten out of it in Pisgah a couple times a week. As of a year ago you could still get bushing and bolt kits.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Wode
    I've got a '98 FSR Ground Control that is still getting the crap beaten out of it in Pisgah a couple times a week. As of a year ago you could still get bushing and bolt kits.



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    Funny you brought this back to the top. I just checked with a Specialized dealer and was told Specialized no longer stocks the bushing kits. Bikes too old. I passed on a MAX frame FSR because of it. You may want to troll your dealer to see if you can snag a kit that's in stock.
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    I still have my '97 FSR in Cosmic hanging on the wall in my office. The bushings went south so I replaced it with a '04 Epic Marathon. The paint has held up really well. It's partly stripped but still gets a lot of looks from people, especially when you explain that it's an extruded frame.

    Between the great colour shifting paint and all the fond memories of riding it, I just can't part with it. That, and my Flying V.

    As for the C3, I may have an old bike mag somewhere with an ad for it. I'll see if I can find it. And the C3 was definitely one sexy bike to look at.

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    yes '98 it was. I got one from my buddy its green looking one angle and eggplant the other. I have seen 2, both were from specialized employee deals.

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    My FSR MAX backbone - pics

    Here's my main ride. Still riding it today.

    Checkout the second pic (view from head-tube). It shows the 2 steel braces that runs the length of the inner frame. What makes the frame super stiff.

    It's a GREAT ride. Stable flying down the hills :-)
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    Funny this came back to the top. Last weekend I was unloading my temporary FS ride at the trailhead and what should cruise by on the street but a CHERRY FSR Pro max backbone bike. I chased the guy down in city park. Of Latino descent, he told me he bought the bike last year in Mexico City new. It had a Psylo fork, Avid mech disc, and different wheel out front but otherwise stock and like new, not a scratch. Before I could ask if he'd sell it he offered it up for $3200 DOLLARS. Seeing that bike being ridden around with the seat all the way down like any other homey on a WalMart BMX bike about made me cry.
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    I've had a couple, a stumpjumper and a rockhopper version myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    I've had a couple, a stumpjumper and a rockhopper version myself.

    D8, we're talking about the extruded frame model. They made them late 90s and were only called FSRs. The main boom starts at the headset as one piece is split and bent further back. Neat manipulation and strong. Never knew about the steel inside.
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    there was a max on ebay recently.i would have bid but need to sell a few things myself at the moment.for bushings,needle bearing upgrades and long travel kits check betd.co.uk.he has nice stuff.had a lt kit on an old fsr years ago.high quality a good guy to deal with.no problem shipping to the states.

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    models yrs of Max Backbone - PICS

    Jeff -

    To answer your original question. The Max Backbone was made for 3 years.

    1997 - simply called Ground Control FSR (red, cosmic green/purple)

    1998 - the moniker Ground Control was dropped. Came in Elite/Red, Pro/Black, LTD/Black).
    the LTD had an air shock and to lighten the bike

    1999 - Elite & Pro versions. The frames were silver annodized w/ stickers.

    Misc other variations used the frame.

    Hope this helps and raises the enthusiasm for this frame.
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    So is this one of them or not ?

    <img src="https://yoda.densan.ca/kmr/bikes/enduro1.jpg">

    And THIS looked pretty much like an extruded main tube also...

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    The blue bike isn't. The main tube is rectangular and 2 round tubes are welded into it. The black bike looks like one of the Rockhopper FSR frames, I thought it was 2 formed sides welded together but not sure. Never really looked at them. Look at the other pics. The tube starts as one piece at the headset and is split and bent apart and some gussets are welded in. The extrusion is 2 rectangular boxes stacked that are split at the back. The top of the extrusion is concave, the underside is convex. I've got a red Elite in the garage, belongs to a friend.
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    Max Backbone vs. other variants

    DeeEight,

    Jeff is right. Technically neither bike is the Max Backbone, but they are from the same era and heritage. Kind of like the Stumpjumper vs. Rockhopper ... similar characteristics but not the same. The parts used for the build were also of a lower line to save on costs.

    Although I never rode one, the blue bike (FSR Expert?) was suppose to quite nimble/light on the trails. The Max Backbone, while stiffer it's also a heavier frame (the downside).

    Regardless, all of these bikes are going the way of the dinasaur ... just another evolutionary link to the perfect bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 40mtns
    DeeEight,

    Jeff is right. Technically neither bike is the Max Backbone, but they are from the same era and heritage. Kind of like the Stumpjumper vs. Rockhopper ... similar characteristics but not the same. The parts used for the build were also of a lower line to save on costs.

    Although I never rode one, the blue bike (FSR Expert?) was suppose to quite nimble/light on the trails. The Max Backbone, while stiffer it's also a heavier frame (the downside).

    Regardless, all of these bikes are going the way of the dinasaur ... just another evolutionary link to the perfect bike.

    Keep On Riding!

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    Uh, dinosaur yes. But still fun! I still ride my modified 1998 FSR (non MAX). The tubular frames were lighter, cheaper and strong enough for most things. The MAX frame had better stays, which improved upon a flexy rear end.

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    Anyone remember the head tube angle on this bike?

    I had a 98 Pro that I stripped to the frame and rebuilt with what I wanted....Bomber Z.1, King Hubs, Bontrager Mustang rims, DT Revo spokes, XTR, Race Face Cranks, etc... I got it down to 28lbs WITH the Vanillla RC coil shock!

    It was awesome and I kick myself everyday for selling it.

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    I rode a 97 Cosmic paint scheme (flip-flop in the auto painting world) until this spring when I replaced it w/ an Intense 5.5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mxer
    there was a max on ebay recently.i would have bid but need to sell a few things myself at the moment.for bushings,needle bearing upgrades and long travel kits check betd.co.uk.he has nice stuff.had a lt kit on an old fsr years ago.high quality a good guy to deal with.no problem shipping to the states.
    WOW, looks like they still make parts for this bike. I know this thread is really really old, but I am just stoked to find this thread and BETD.

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    Here's the green one

    Looks like the "Grabber Green" (paint name stolen from Ford?) one was the 1998 FSR Extreme
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    97 Cosmic available

    Had this one on ebay earlier this year, but did not sell it. Will sell frame with Risse rear end/shock. Have run this bike with either 150 mm (current Fox 36,~69 deg head angle) or 175 mm fork (nicer DH geometry).
    No bushing worries! All sealed bearing rear end which is no problem to find bearings for. This frame is STOUT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctorino
    Had this one on ebay earlier this year, but did not sell it. Will sell frame with Risse rear end/shock. Have run this bike with either 150 mm (current Fox 36,~69 deg head angle) or 175 mm fork (nicer DH geometry).
    No bushing worries! All sealed bearing rear end which is no problem to find bearings for. This frame is STOUT.

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    I am trying to get more info regarding this bike. I have a 97 model with the longer DH rear end.

    Does anyone have any more information on the travel on these frames?

    IIRC, here is what they were in 97-99

    USA built MAX Backbone FSR=4.3" travel
    USA built MAX Backbone FSR DH=5.5" travel
    China built GC FSR=4.5" travel
    China built Ground Control (non-FSR)=~3" travel

    Does this sound correct?

    BTW, I think the MAX frame is increadibly innovative and it was an incredible set up. I don't really understand why the basic design went away, I think they are super strong, stiff and look really clean. I am not a big fan of some of the newer full suspension bikes (looks wise) and really don't get why they went away from these designs in general. Just my opinion.

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    That all sounds correct

    With the possible exception that the early Ground Controls were actually FSR's by definition, even if they did not say so on the frames.

    You can check the travel of your bike by replacing the rear wheel with felt tip marker tied to the rear drop out, moving your repair stand next to the wall, and running the suspension fully through its travel. Measure the mark on the wall, that's your travel. It helps to dump the air out of your shock, or remove the coil spring before trying this.

    I recall the travel on these bikes varying a little bit depending on which shock was in the frame, but is about what you state above.

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    Tooling costs

    The main frame on the Max Backbone bikes is an extrusion, which would be really expensive to tool up for. Kenesis did it at the time, for this bike as well as for Marin, and probably others, and from what I recall, when Specialized needed to move production off shore, it wasn't practical to retool a Taiwan factory to do this extrusion when molded, monocoque, and hydroform technology had come as far as it did. Modern frames are stronger and stiffer with less material, and thus less weight.

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    I had a 1998 FSR Pro. I loved that bike. It had a Fox Vanilla RC coil shock on it and it has 4.5" of rear wheel travel. I took the Manitou double triple crown fork off and put a Polished Marzocchi Bomber Z.1 (4"). That bike went up and down hill equally well and was PLLUUUSSSHHHH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by backpedal
    The main frame on the Max Backbone bikes is an extrusion, which would be really expensive to tool up for. Kenesis did it at the time, for this bike as well as for Marin, and probably others, and from what I recall, when Specialized needed to move production off shore, it wasn't practical to retool a Taiwan factory to do this extrusion when molded, monocoque, and hydroform technology had come as far as it did. Modern frames are stronger and stiffer with less material, and thus less weight.

    When I was working at a shop at the time, I was told by the specialized rep that the tooling was requiring a ton of maintainance because the materials were so strong and the extruded process was so intense. They ended up scraping it for this reason (I was told).

    As far as modern frames being "stronger, stiffer and lighter" do you really believe that or is that a fact?

    Stronger? Doubt it (my neighbor has gone though 3 Turner Freeride frames from failing and he only rides cross country, I Use to race my FSR down hill and NEVER had a problem).
    Stiffer? Maybe
    Lighter? Probably depends on what you are comparing it too, BUT mine is/was 25.5lbs with an old school front Hayes disc brake, Z.1 bomber (heavy fork), Long stroke Fox Vanilla Rx Coil over shock with piggy back (heavy compared to air sprung shocks). Granted everything else was super trick so I made up wt on that stuff, but I still don't think it is considered "heavy". BTW, I had a C3 before it was recalled, guess what, Specialized lied, this frame was lighter that the C3 and it had more travel.

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    I believe its a fact

    I think the Max Backbone frames weighed about 6 pounds with an air shock, and more with a coil shock. A Giant Trance X and Ibis Mojo each weigh about 5 pounds with 5 inches of travel, and the Blur XC Carbon is about 4.2 pounds.

    The MRP bearing kits and links were popular mods to the Max frames because they increased the ride quality, and durability, but also the frame weight.

    They are really nice frames though, and ahead of their time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backpedal
    I think the Max Backbone frames weighed about 6 pounds with an air shock, and more with a coil shock. A Giant Trance X and Ibis Mojo each weigh about 5 pounds with 5 inches of travel, and the Blur XC Carbon is about 4.2 pounds.

    The MRP bearing kits and links were popular mods to the Max frames because they increased the ride quality, and durability, but also the frame weight.

    They are really nice frames though, and ahead of their time.
    I should have mentioned that my frame is the 5.5" DH version. But you are probably right, I am sure they are a little heavier, but weight sure seems to be less of a worry now with all the travel, disc brakes, beefy wheels, big tires, triple clamps, etc......My 1997 "freeride/DH" bike is now considered more like an all mountain bike.

    Speaking of the bearing kits, can the MRP kits be found anywhere? Looks like BETD still makes kits, but they have to be shipped from england.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctorino
    Had this one on ebay earlier this year, but did not sell it. Will sell frame with Risse rear end/shock. Have run this bike with either 150 mm (current Fox 36,~69 deg head angle) or 175 mm fork (nicer DH geometry).
    No bushing worries! All sealed bearing rear end which is no problem to find bearings for. This frame is STOUT.

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    Wow. I have a bike that looks just like that one. I have the Risse set up, Marz. 55 and the green or chamelion paint to boot. I ride the pizz out of this thing. It takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    Wow. I have a bike that looks just like that one. I have the Risse set up, Marz. 55 and the green or chamelion paint to boot. I ride the pizz out of this thing. It takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. Cheers!
    What is a Risse set up? IIRC, Risse use to make shocks, is that what you are referring to, or do they do a linkage upgrade, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH
    What is a Risse set up? IIRC, Risse use to make shocks, is that what you are referring to, or do they do a linkage upgrade, etc...
    They do a whole rear triangle, shock, hex link, chainstay, seat stay. Really stout and adjustable.
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    I have an FSR

    Let's do this chronologically:

    - Last week I bought a cheap ($400) used moutain bike.
    - Today I rode on my first trail in 15 years
    - Today I registered on MTBR for the first time.
    - Right now, I came across this old ass thread!

    And this is my first post ever! The odds of me finding this post are just weird, because it just helped me identify this bike I bought.

    I'm guessing its an 98 FSR Elite Max Backbone. My bike has a Manitou Black 120mm shock, XTR dérailleurs and pedals, XT Cranks, Hayes Hydro Disc Brakes, Ahead headset, and some beefy Sun rims on XT Hubs. I don't think this is the factory configuration at all, but I found getting info on this bike to be very difficult. It rode great today, although I kept to Intermediate trails since I haven't ridden in over 15 years.
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    I noticed something here, doctorino and 1luckymonkey's pic's show their seat post's extending down through the seat tube on these frames. My frame does not allow this, any idea what the diff. might be? Anybody?
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    my elite doesnt allow the seatpost to go below the seatube too

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    Quote Originally Posted by islubio
    my elite doesnt allow the seatpost to go below the seatube too
    My frame is an Elite, maybe that has something to do with it. Idk.
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    starting in 98 they put a little tack weld in the seat tube to keep people from slamming the post down to the point where the shock would slam into it when the rear end compressed
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    10-4. Thanx Webertime.
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    yup mine's the 98 elite with the weld
    just took it to my local trail will post the pictures of my setup in awhile

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    here's the pictures to my FSR




    Specs :
    1998 FSR Ground Control Elite
    White Brother Vt 1.3
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    Front Tire Michelin Wide Gripper
    Rear Tire Schwable Little Albert
    XTR 951 V-Brake/Levers
    XTR 951 Crank with TI BB
    XTR 951 FD
    XT 760 Shifters and RD
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    Wow. You got a great deal. Probably because how old the bike is. But it is still an awesome set up. I think the only thing From making that frame as good or better than a lot of modern frames is the lack of bearings at the shock pivots. It uses really tightly fit bushings instead. BETD still had bearing kits available for it and mountain speed still carries the "a link" bearing for it. I was looking to buy that kit when I found someone willing to sell a used one with the kit and a DH travel rear shock for $225 for the whole frame, betd link ($150 value), bearing kit ($175 value) and downhill long travel rear shock and disc brake adapter ($30-50 value). Now I plan to use this rear triangle to build up my mainframe and get exact what I want and then sell mine for a couple hundred bucks. Or maybe I will not get enough money for mine and just build it ip and let my daughter ride it around the block or use it for my "thrasher bike" to ride to he beach when I go surf?

    Yours looks like a 97 or 98 model. For sure the forks have been upgraded and he discs. Good job on the find. You are n fact one lucky monkey

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    Let's do this chronologically:

    - Last week I bought a cheap ($400) used moutain bike.
    - Today I rode on my first trail in 15 years
    - Today I registered on MTBR for the first time.
    - Right now, I came across this old ass thread!

    And this is my first post ever! The odds of me finding this post are just weird, because it just helped me identify this bike I bought.

    I'm guessing its an 98 FSR Elite Max Backbone. My bike has a Manitou Black 120mm shock, XTR dérailleurs and pedals, XT Cranks, Hayes Hydro Disc Brakes, Ahead headset, and some beefy Sun rims on XT Hubs. I don't think this is the factory configuration at all, but I found getting info on this bike to be very difficult. It rode great today, although I kept to Intermediate trails since I haven't ridden in over 15 years.

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    Ok, I have a FSR LTD ground control and also says direct MAX drive, does anyone knows how to measure the size of the frame on this one? Thanks.

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    I beleive to measure that it's from the center of the bottom bracket to the top of the seat tube. Correct me if I'm wrong. My frame reads 19".
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    Thanks men, that was really helpful. I guess I will need to change the handlebar stem.

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    Nice rides guys
    Here's mine
    - '98 FSR GroundControl Comp frameset
    - MS upgrade link kit + Strato shock (6" travel)
    - Manitou Sherman '05 (6" travel)
    - Cook Bros. crank + titanium 44t
    - Crank Bros "egg beater" pedals
    - XT shifters
    - Hayes nine 6" front
    - Avid v-brakes back
    - HED rim back
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    Here is my old school 1997 Specialized FSR DH with a bunch of older parts (probably should post in the "vintage section". I think EVERYTHING on this bike is 2000 model year or older). Funny how this frame use to be considered a "DH" frame and now it probably wouldn't even really be considered a true AM bike, but its what I ride all over the mountains. The bike was painted back when everyone was still using "glossy" paint compared to all the matte finishes you see out there today.

    * Frame Size (Color): Medium, Custom powder coated, BETD bearing kits at all pivots
    * Fork: Marzocchi Bomber Z1 BAM 1997 4" travel
    * Rear Shock: Fox Vanilla Rx 6.5" X 1.5" stroke, 4.5" actual travel with stock link (5.25" claimed). BETD link added 4.5"/5.6"/6.75" travel options
    * Brakes: Hayes Disc the originals, not sure what they were called? (F), Shimano XTR (R)
    * Cranks: Caramba Double Barrel Cranks with Ti BB
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Shifters: Shimano XTR M952 3x9
    * Chain: Shimano XTR
    * Pedals: Speedplay Frog Ti
    * Stem: Race Face System 115mm / 10deg
    * Handlebar: Avitar hi-rise
    * Seatpost: Synchros Ti
    * Saddle: Serfas Lola Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: Ti-can't remember brand
    * Cassette: Shimano XTR 9
    * Headset: Cheap FSA (the one area I could never justify dumping a bunch of money into, sorry Chris)
    * Grips: Yeti
    * Front Tire: Panaracer XCPro Kevlar Bead 2.1
    * Front Rim: Mavic 217
    * Front Hub: Hayes by Hugi/DT Disc hub
    * Rear Tire: Panaracer XCPro Kevlar Bead 2.1
    * Rear Rim: Mavic 217
    * Rear Hub: WCW (Wasatch Cycle Works) Carbon Fiber shell
    * Titanium Bolt kits on practically every place possible, triple butted spokes, alloy nipples, Ti non-QR skewers.
    * Weight: 26.5lbs (But gaining weight real soon, see below)

    Just purchased an old shool rear Hayes brake for the rear to replace the XTR-V, used 5" Marzocchi Z1 BAM Bomber with lockout (to replace the 4" bomber), REAL Rear disc hub, 203mm Alligator front disc, 160mm Alligator rear disc, looking for a shorter stem. More pics to follow when build up is done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaos777
    Nice rides guys
    Here's mine
    - '98 FSR GroundControl Comp frameset
    - MS upgrade link kit + Strato shock (6" travel)
    - Manitou Sherman '05 (6" travel)
    - Cook Bros. crank + titanium 44t
    - Crank Bros "egg beater" pedals
    - XT shifters
    - Hayes nine 6" front
    - Avid v-brakes back
    - HED rim back
    That is an FSR, but not a MAX Backbone frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH


    Here is my old school 1997 Specialized FSR DH with a bunch of older parts (probably should post in the "vintage section". I think EVERYTHING on this bike is 2000 model year or older). Funny how this frame use to be considered a "DH" frame and now it probably wouldn't even really be considered a true AM bike, but its what I ride all over the mountains. The bike was painted back when everyone was still using "glossy" paint compared to all the matte finishes you see out there today.

    * Frame Size (Color): Medium, Custom powder coated, BETD bearing kits at all pivots
    * Fork: Marzocchi Bomber Z1 BAM 1997 4" travel
    * Rear Shock: Fox Vanilla Rx 6.5" X 1.5" stroke, 4.5" actual travel with stock link (5.25" claimed). BETD link added 4.5"/5.6"/6.75" travel options
    * Brakes: Hayes Disc the originals, not sure what they were called? (F), Shimano XTR (R)
    * Cranks: Caramba Double Barrel Cranks with Ti BB
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Shifters: Shimano XTR M952 3x9
    * Chain: Shimano XTR
    * Pedals: Speedplay Frog Ti
    * Stem: Race Face System 115mm / 10deg
    * Handlebar: Avitar hi-rise
    * Seatpost: Synchros Ti
    * Saddle: Serfas Lola Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: Ti-can't remember brand
    * Cassette: Shimano XTR 9
    * Headset: Cheap FSA (the one area I could never justify dumping a bunch of money into, sorry Chris)
    * Grips: Yeti
    * Front Tire: Panaracer XCPro Kevlar Bead 2.1
    * Front Rim: Mavic 217
    * Front Hub: Hayes by Hugi/DT Disc hub
    * Rear Tire: Panaracer XCPro Kevlar Bead 2.1
    * Rear Rim: Mavic 217
    * Rear Hub: WCW (Wasatch Cycle Works) Carbon Fiber shell
    * Titanium Bolt kits on practically every place possible, triple butted spokes, alloy nipples, Ti non-QR skewers.
    * Weight: 26.5lbs (But gaining weight real soon, see below)

    Just purchased an old shool rear Hayes brake for the rear to replace the XTR-V, used 5" Marzocchi Z1 BAM Bomber with lockout (to replace the 4" bomber), REAL Rear disc hub, 203mm Alligator front disc, 160mm Alligator rear disc, looking for a shorter stem. More pics to follow when build up is done.
    That's a badass lookin bike you got there bro. I'm trying to get some pic's of mine to put on here. I dig these bikes.
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    I have one I think I got in '99. It's an FSR Pro. It has few hours on it and I'm thinking about selling it, because I have too many bikes and frankly ...I'm getting to an age that my body won't take half of what this frame will!

    It's really almost new looking and the SID seals are still in great shape. I'm going to pull the XT discs off and put the original brakes and rims back on and return it to stock config.

    Anyone have an idea of what it's worth??? I think after Specialized stopped selling the bikes, they sold the frames for several years......$1500 for the frame I think.

    BTW ...the frames were not measured in inches. they were simply sold as small, medium and large
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    This thread is kinda old but I'm wondering if anyone out there has one of these Max backbone frames they'd be willing to part with? I'm thinking about replacing the frame on my '98 GC FSR Comp and want to keep it old-school. Anyway, just thought I'd check. Let me know. Thanks!

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    Hey Chipmunk,
    I'm interested in selling mine... it's the one in the post before yours.
    I took the disc's off and put the v-Brake back on ...but have the rear bracket if you what to go back to disc. I'm selling the whole bike, not just the frame though. But it's almost brand new and I'm not too far up the coast from you in the Bay Area

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    This thread is kinda old but I'm wondering if anyone out there has one of these Max backbone frames they'd be willing to part with? I'm thinking about replacing the frame on my '98 GC FSR Comp and want to keep it old-school. Anyway, just thought I'd check. Let me know. Thanks!

    Alvin Caragay
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    Hey Alvin, Risse had some of these frames for sale when he was still here in Redding. If you had good luck with him before maybe give him a try on one of these, just a thought.
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    Actually I do have a spare (I say spare because I have 2 and want to keep the other, I love this frame). It has been modernized, in that it has: new paint and stickers, longer travel (Manitou coilover 1.75" rear shock with adjustable rebound and compression. This results in rear travel in the 5" range), Brand new A2Z rear disc brake adapter. Also new pivot bushings installed as well as a spare set all the way around. BETD main pivot needle bearing kit (retails for $75). Send me your email and I can send pics. I am In SoCalif. It is a 1999 edition, which is the last MAX backbone frame Specialized built.
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    I have a 97 FSR Ground Control Comp that I looking to do a few upgrades to. Does anyone still offer any spare or upgrade parts for these frames.

    Thanks
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    BETD out of the UK has several bearing kits for the frame. I was looking at getting them for my '97 now that I've decided to re-build it.

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    BETD makes some great stuff for this frame (plus they have great service). On my main frame, I ended up getting the BETD adjustable linkage, and all pivots are BETD. I am not sure it is worth the cost for each pivot (each being $50-75 depending on pivot) so I ended up just getting the main pivot needle bearing kit on my spare frame. I do really like their stuff though, but it adds up pretty quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJon
    I have a 97 FSR Ground Control Comp that I looking to do a few upgrades to. Does anyone still offer any spare or upgrade parts for these frames.

    Thanks
    Try Risse Racing.com
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    Thanks for the replies OverDaBar, Skip, and RodH.
    ODB...thanks, but i'm really only looking for the frameset only. Don't need the rest of the stuff as I have my '98 FSR Comp modernized a bit with some Marzocchi Junior T forks, a Risse Hex Link, Vanilla R shock, and a Race Face Diabolus Crankset. I pretty much just want to swap all my stuff onto a Max backbone frame to keep costs down. Here's how she looks right now (pic is from before I installed the Risse Hex Link):



    Skip...thanks for the tip. Will try giving Kevin Risse a call on monday to see if they still have any of them for sale...

    RodH...PM'd you my email address...

    JoJon...I second Skip Canfield's suggestion of Risse Racing. They don't have much info on their website, but they make a replacement longer travel rear link (Hex Link) as well as a complete, modular replacement rear triangle (includes sealed bearings). I recently added the hex link to my FSR Comp and from just the hex link I noticed a difference in the feel of the rear suspension. It is notably more plush...even with the same shock (a 6.5" i2i Fox Vanilla R). Depending on how things progress with the leads I have on a "new" frame, my fairly new Risse Hex Link just might be for sale soon...

    Anyway, thanks again guys. Hoping to join the ranks if the Max Backbone owners soon. It's times like this that I really wish I had just plunked down the extra cash back in '98 for an FSR Elite instead of my FSR Comp. Oh well...c'est la vie...

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    Well hopefully you'll soon be Bad with da Bone!
    Then you have to do something about that rear brake. I've tried some of the newer setups, but nothing modulates like those old 2 piston XT's. I think they stopped production because they were too expensive to make.... like the frame. Sometime retro is a good thing

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    how much do the Risse rear triangles cost? (not the link or shock)

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    RodH...Risse sells just the chainstays or just the seatstays of their modular rear end seperately for $198 each (the Hex Link is also $198). Or, I think they do a package price of $350 for both the chain and seat stays. The seat stays have a rear disc mount designed into it as well, which is one of the main reasons I am interested in their rear end. They also come with ball bearings at all the pivots as well. Hope this answers your question...
    Oh, and I got your email and will be replying shortly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Thanks for the replies OverDaBar, Skip, and RodH.
    ODB...thanks, but i'm really only looking for the frameset only. Don't need the rest of the stuff as I have my '98 FSR Comp modernized a bit with some Marzocchi Junior T forks, a Risse Hex Link, Vanilla R shock, and a Race Face Diabolus Crankset. I pretty much just want to swap all my stuff onto a Max backbone frame to keep costs down. Here's how she looks right now (pic is from before I installed the Risse Hex Link):



    Skip...thanks for the tip. Will try giving Kevin Risse a call on monday to see if they still have any of them for sale...

    RodH...PM'd you my email address...

    JoJon...I second Skip Canfield's suggestion of Risse Racing. They don't have much info on their website, but they make a replacement longer travel rear link (Hex Link) as well as a complete, modular replacement rear triangle (includes sealed bearings). I recently added the hex link to my FSR Comp and from just the hex link I noticed a difference in the feel of the rear suspension. It is notably more plush...even with the same shock (a 6.5" i2i Fox Vanilla R). Depending on how things progress with the leads I have on a "new" frame, my fairly new Risse Hex Link just might be for sale soon...

    Anyway, thanks again guys. Hoping to join the ranks if the Max Backbone owners soon. It's times like this that I really wish I had just plunked down the extra cash back in '98 for an FSR Elite instead of my FSR Comp. Oh well...c'est la vie...

    Alvin Caragay
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    With a Risse rear triangle and a Max Backbone frame that bike would look awsome. Let me know how it goes.
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    Here's the run down on my 1997 Specialized FSR DH. My wife got me the frame and fork from Supergo (remember them) for my birthday in 97, at the time I was riding a 94 stumpy and just transferred all the parts over. Over time I've done some upgrades, I added a rear disc with the help of a A2Z adapter and this is how I ride it now.

    Frame Size : Large,
    Fork: Rockshox Revelation Maxle Lite Dual air, 140mm travel, 20mm axle
    Rear Shock: Fox Vanilla Rx 6.5" X 1.5" stroke
    Brakes: BB7's 185mm Discs
    Cranks: Shimano DX
    Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
    Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    Shifters: Shimano XTR 3x8
    Chain: Shimano XTR
    Pedals: Shimano DX PD-M636
    Stem: Kalloy UNO
    Handlebar: Avitar hi-rise
    Seatpost: Ritchey
    Saddle: WTB Speed V Comp
    Bottom Bracket: Ti
    Cassette: Shimano XTR 8
    Headset: Cane Creek S2
    Grips: Chumba
    Front Tire: Specialized Resolution 2.1"
    Front Rim: Sun Rhyno Lite
    Front Hub: Formula alloy 20mm hub
    Rear Tire: The Captain 2.0" tubeless
    Rear Rim: Sun Rhyno Lite
    Rear Hub: Shimano XT
    Weight: 32.2lbs

    Next up I'd like to add a Risse rear triangle and Hex Link or if I can find a Mountain Speed link and rear triangle and also upgrade the rear shock. So if anyone has or knows someone that has any of these parts for sale, please send them my way.

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    With a Risse rear triangle and a Max Backbone frame that bike would look awsome.
    Exactly what I was thinking...

    So, JoJon's post got me thinking...what exactly is the difference between the other Max Backbone FSR's and the DH version? I know a previous post in this thread stated that the rear travel was longer on the DH (5.5" I believe), but how does the DH version achieve that extra travel? Longer shock perhaps? Is the main frame actually different in some way? Or Is the rear triangle actually different? Anyone know? Just curious. Thanks.

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    JJ, Cool bike. That is the exact same frame and rear shock that I have (until I powdercoated it orange and blue). I have the BETD link, BETD needle bearings and the MRP rear Disc adaptor (which is more of a clamp style, I also have an A2Z which are getting harder to find, but my caliper bolts straight to the MRP). The actual DH frames were even more rare. People don't realize it, but these frames were OVERRATED as far as travel goes, they were supposed to get 4.5" of travel, but they really only got 3.75" (3.75 with the 1.25" stroke shock). The DH version had a better rear shock and 1.5" stroke which is claimed to be 5.5" travel, but in reality only got 4.5". You have the 97 DH version just like I do with the Fox Vanilla Rx with piggyback. Easily the best shock of its time and still a very good unit. I added the BETD link for more adjustability.

    I would love to get a Risse rear end, I am just not sure it is worth dumping a bunch of money into, especially since I already have the BETD rear link, and BETD needle bearings at all pivots.

    The other frame I have just got painted and is more of the matte finish in black and red. It is a 1999 DH frame. It uses an extra gusset at the head tube (now it has one at the bottom and one at the top). IT also has a really nice Manitou rear shock with, IIRC, 1.5 or 1.75" stroke and around 5" of actual rear travel with the stock link. This frame with the shock is designed for a longer travel front fork, like everyone is using today (5-6" travel), the geometry would be all screwed up with a 4" or less travel front fork. I might put it on ebay, or here to sell, but a part of me still wants to just build it up and use it for a thrasher bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by JoJon


    Here's the run down on my 1997 Specialized FSR DH. My wife got me the frame and fork from Supergo (remember them) for my birthday in 97, at the time I was riding a 94 stumpy and just transferred all the parts over. Over time I've done some upgrades, I added a rear disc with the help of a A2Z adapter and this is how I ride it now.

    Frame Size : Large,
    Fork: Rockshox Revelation Maxle Lite Dual air, 140mm travel, 20mm axle
    Rear Shock: Fox Vanilla Rx 6.5" X 1.5" stroke
    Brakes: BB7's 185mm Discs
    Cranks: Shimano DX
    Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
    Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    Shifters: Shimano XTR 3x8
    Chain: Shimano XTR
    Pedals: Shimano DX PD-M636
    Stem: Kalloy UNO
    Handlebar: Avitar hi-rise
    Seatpost: Ritchey
    Saddle: WTB Speed V Comp
    Bottom Bracket: Ti
    Cassette: Shimano XTR 8
    Headset: Cane Creek S2
    Grips: Chumba
    Front Tire: Specialized Resolution 2.1"
    Front Rim: Sun Rhyno Lite
    Front Hub: Formula alloy 20mm hub
    Rear Tire: The Captain 2.0" tubeless
    Rear Rim: Sun Rhyno Lite
    Rear Hub: Shimano XT
    Weight: 32.2lbs

    Next up I'd like to add a Risse rear triangle and Hex Link or if I can find a Mountain Speed link and rear triangle and also upgrade the rear shock. So if anyone has or knows someone that has any of these parts for sale, please send them my way.

    Thanks,
    JJ

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    Longer stroke rear shock and better shock. The main frame also has some extra bracing/gusseting.
    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Exactly what I was thinking...

    So, JoJon's post got me thinking...what exactly is the difference between the other Max Backbone FSR's and the DH version? I know a previous post in this thread stated that the rear travel was longer on the DH (5.5" I believe), but how does the DH version achieve that extra travel? Longer shock perhaps? Is the main frame actually different in some way? Or Is the rear triangle actually different? Anyone know? Just curious. Thanks.

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    You guys know that the actual DH frame looks a bit different than the FSR frame, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    You guys know that the actual DH frame looks a bit different than the FSR frame, right?
    Looks pretty much the same until 1999/2000. Then they changed it and they don't have the seat stay (for the front derailler) and the monocoque looks slightly different. The rear triangle is more beefy as well. They are usually white.

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    I'm looking for a pic of one right now,but they also had a hole just below the seat tube and really other than that they lokked the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    I'm looking for a pic of one right now,but they also had a hole just below the seat tube and really other than that they lokked the same.
    here it is: http://photos.nsmb.com/showimage.php?i=18247

    http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18188

    that is the "TEAM DH" bike. I was buddies with Todd Tanner, a DH racer for Specialized back in the day. These were only team bikes, then IIRC, in 1999 or 2000 they did a limited production run. They only go for around $400-500 on the used market which in another reason why I think spending $350+ for the risse rear isn't the wisest thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH
    here it is: http://photos.nsmb.com/showimage.php?i=18247

    http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18188

    that is the "TEAM DH" bike. I was buddies with Todd Tanner, a DH racer for Specialized back in the day. These were only team bikes, then IIRC, in 1999 or 2000 they did a limited production run. They only go for around $400-500 on the used market which in another reason why I think spending $350+ for the risse rear isn't the wisest thing.
    Thats the frame I was thinking of, good job sir. Tell me, whats the purpose of the hole in the frame? You think a Risse equipped DH frame would be cool.? I'm kinda partial to Kevin's (Risse) bike parts,but I do think they make the rear sus. really plush. Give um a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    Thats the frame I was thinking of, good job sir. Tell me, whats the purpose of the hole in the frame? You think a Risse equipped DH frame would be cool.? I'm kinda partial to Kevin's (Risse) bike parts,but I do think they make the rear sus. really plush. Give um a try.
    I honestly have no clue what the hole is for. The Risse rear isn't going to be any more plush than my rear with the BETD needle bearings, but it is meant to be stiffer and provide the disc brake tabs. I would MUCH rather have that DH team frame than a stock frame with a Risse rear end. A team DH frame was sold on ebay last month totally built up with all parts for like $450, the problem was that the guy wanted $150 shipping, so it didn't make sense for me.

    Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/Specialized-Team...Mountain_Bikes

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    That bike is badass, I'd ride it. The rearend does look beefy. That is the frame that I spoke of though. I appreciate your time showing me this stuff. I'm always looking to get more info on these bikes. I've been riding the FSR frames now since "01" and I really like the way it rides.
    I am having some issues with the Astro-5 rear shock, so I'm thinking about moving over to Fox and trying out one of their Dhx or Van shocks. Thanks again.
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    OK, so I just finally got it built up and weighed it (I know, we aren't supposed to care). 27 pounds!!! I think that is pretty light considering it has old school 5" travel front Marzocchi Z1, 4.5/5.625/6.75" travel rear with a COILOVER rear shock (heavy), dual disc brakes (that I had to add a rear bracket for) and a needle bearing kit (weighs more than the bushings). The bike was 25.5, but I added the rear disc brake system, bracket, needle bearings, linkage, and went from a 4" to a 5" travel Marzocchi. Considering all I added, I guess 2 pounds isn't bad. I still have about 25 Ti Bolts I can add to the bike as well.

    It cost me a LOT more money and work than I thought when I had the idea origionally, but that is how it always seems to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH
    OK, so I just finally got it built up and weighed it (I know, we aren't supposed to care). 27 pounds!!! I think that is pretty light considering it has old school 5" travel front Marzocchi Z1, 4.5/5.625/6.75" travel rear with a COILOVER rear shock (heavy), dual disc brakes (that I had to add a rear bracket for) and a needle bearing kit (weighs more than the bushings). The bike was 25.5, but I added the rear disc brake system, bracket, needle bearings, linkage, and went from a 4" to a 5" travel Marzocchi. Considering all I added, I guess 2 pounds isn't bad. I still have about 25 Ti Bolts I can add to the bike as well.

    It cost me a LOT more money and work than I thought when I had the idea origionally, but that is how it always seems to go.
    27 lbs? Damn, my bike weighs (cough) 38lbs. 6" travel front/rear, heavy wheel set, basically beefy everything. But I love to ride it.
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    A lot of great info guys, on the topic of rear triangles . Is it possible to mount a later year rear triangle with a disc mount to a backbone frame????

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJon
    A lot of great info guys, on the topic of rear triangles . Is it possible to mount a later year rear triangle with a disc mount to a backbone frame????

    This gets extremely confusing because specialized changed the main pivots on the 1999 model. I learned this the hard way when I was purchasing the bearing kits. My understanding is that the 1999 has the same pivots as some of the newer (non-monoque style) frames. I am not sure of the details though, other than those newer rear triangles will not work with anything older than 1999, and there are some linkages that can work back and forth as well.

    If you look at this site, it gives you a bit of info: http://www.mountainbikecomponents.co...s+and+Upgrades

    Looks like the linkages from the 00-01 enduro works with the FSR from 97-99.

    Also here is some info regarding the bearing kits, notice the 1999 main pivot is NOT listed on the bearing kits, it uses a different main pivot, I had to have them do seperately: http://www.mountainbikecomponents.co...s+and+Upgrades

    It can get really confusing, if you get parts for one of these frame, just look at the serial number under the BB and it will start with a 97.......... or 98..........., which indicates the model year, and call the company you are going to order parts from and give them the exact year.

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    Interesting. Never noticed the added gusseting above the head tube on the later DH frames. Also looks like the chain stays are made slightly differently as well. From one of the pics I saw it looked like the chain stays were made out of round tubing instead of the rectangular tubing used on the other versions. Or, it might have just been how the pic looked...

    Anyway, here's a more recent pic of my FSR Comp that's in need of a Max Backbone makeover after some new wheels/tires and the Risse Hex Link :


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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Interesting. Never noticed the added gusseting above the head tube on the later DH frames. Also looks like the chain stays are made slightly differently as well. From one of the pics I saw it looked like the chain stays were made out of round tubing instead of the rectangular tubing used on the other versions. Or, it might have just been how the pic looked...

    Anyway, here's a more recent pic of my FSR Comp that's in need of a Max Backbone makeover after some new wheels/tires and the Risse Hex Link :

    looks good with those wheels and link. Also notice that you brake stays are much different than the Max version of the FSR. It is stronger and stiffer with more CNC parts at the A-link and next to the linkage.

    Also, you need to throw on a rear disc.

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    I know I've said it before but, I sure do like the way these bikes look no matter what.
    Hey Alvin was that bike blue when you started?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH
    looks good with those wheels and link. Also notice that you brake stays are much different than the Max version of the FSR. It is stronger and stiffer with more CNC parts at the A-link and next to the linkage.

    Also, you need to throw on a rear disc.
    Yeah, the Max seat and chain stays definitely look to be beefier than mine. One more reason to switch to a Max frame. And I'm definitely working on the rear disc. That's next on the list...

    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    I know I've said it before but, I sure do like the way these bikes look no matter what.
    Hey Alvin was that bike blue when you started?
    I totally agree. Some people find them kinda ugly, but I love em! My non-Max FSR Comp was actually Mango colored when I rolled it off the showroom floor of Performance Bike Shop in Baltimore back in '98. I REALLY wanted the FSR Elite right next to it but just couldn't afford it at the time.
    I rode the Comp bone-stock for that summer and once the weather turned cold I stripped all the parts off of it, stripped the paint, and hand sanded and polished the frame. I kinda like it polished but I have different plans if I go the Max Backbone route...
    I still love the way this non-Max frame rides in it's current state. My main concern with it is the added stress the longer fork/slacker head tube angle put on the frame. I figure the Max frame is probably more up to the task...
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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    I totally agree. Some find them kinda ugly, but I love em! My non-Max FSR Comp was actually Mango colored when I rolled it off the showroom floor of Performance Bike Shop in Baltimore back in '98. I REALLY wanted the FSR Elite right next to it but just couldn't afford it at the time.
    I rode the Comp bone-stock for that summer and once the weather turned cold I stripped all the parts off of it, stripped the paint, and hand sanded and polished the frame. I kinda like it polished but I have different plans if I go the Max Backbone route...
    I rode with a guy who had the Mango colored one, I had a Blue one, nice color blue I might add. You gunna check with Kevin on one of those frames? I'll be talking to him tomorrow if you want me to ask. After I get my bike back together I'll take a picture of it, nothing fancy but I like it.
    Oh yeah, Kevin told me that you mentioned my name, Thank you sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    I rode with a guy who had the Mango colored one, I had a Blue one, nice color blue I might add. You gunna check with Kevin on one of those frames? I'll be talking to him tomorrow if you want me to ask. After I get my bike back together I'll take a picture of it, nothing fancy but I like it.
    Oh yeah, Kevin told me that you mentioned my name, Thank you sir.
    Was gonna try to give him a call today just to see. I have a couple of leads on some frames, but it can't hurt to have more options. If you talk to him go ahead and ask him...i'll try to give him a ring later otherwise. You're welcome for mentioning your name. Thanks again for the info...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 40mtns
    Jeff -

    To answer your original question. The Max Backbone was made for 3 years.

    1997 - simply called Ground Control FSR (red, cosmic green/purple)

    1998 - the moniker Ground Control was dropped. Came in Elite/Red, Pro/Black, LTD/Black).
    the LTD had an air shock and to lighten the bike

    1999 - Elite & Pro versions. The frames were silver annodized w/ stickers.

    Misc other variations used the frame.

    Hope this helps and raises the enthusiasm for this frame.

    My first proper mountain bike was a fsr elite in red with x-verts the same as in the 2nd picture of 40mtns post.
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    Think I finally finished my bike a couple days ago:

    Here is my old school 1997 Specialized FSR DH with a bunch of older parts (probably should post in the "vintage section". I think EVERYTHING on this bike is 2000 model year or older). Funny how this frame use to be considered a "DH" frame and now it probably wouldn't even really be considered a true AM bike, but its what I ride all over the mountains. The bike was powdercoated back when everyone was still using "glossy" paint compared to all the matte finishes you see out there today.

    * Frame Size (Color): Medium, Custom powder coated, BETD link and bearing kits at all pivots
    * Fork: Marzocchi Bomber Z1 BAM CR 2000 130mm (5.1") travel
    * Rear Shock: Fox Vanilla Rx 6.5" X 1.5" stroke, 4.5" actual travel with stock link (5.25" claimed). BETD link added 4.5"/5.6"/6.75" travel options
    * Brakes: Hayes Disc the original mag (F)-champagne, and Hayes mag (R)-black
    * Cranks: Caramba Double Barrel Cranks with Ti BB
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Shifters: Shimano XTR M952 3x9
    * Chain: Shimano XTR
    * Pedals: Speedplay Frog Ti (also run old bearclaw style from my BMX when DHing)
    * Stem: Kore Elite 60mm
    * Handlebar: Avitar hi-rise 25" wide
    * Seatpost: Synchros Ti
    * Saddle: Serfas Lola Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: Ti-can't remember brand
    * Cassette: Shimano XTR 9
    * Headset: Cheap FSA (the one area I could never justify dumping a bunch of money into, sorry Chris)
    * Grips: Yeti
    * Front Tire: Panaracer XCPro Kevlar Bead 2.1
    * Front Rim: Mavic 217
    * Front Hub: Hayes by Hugi/DT Disc hub
    * Rear Tire: Panaracer XCPro Kevlar Bead 2.1
    * Rear Rim: Mavic 217
    * Rear Hub: Real Disc
    * Titanium Bolt kits on practically every place possible, triple butted spokes, alloy nipples, Ti non-QR skewers.
    * Weight: 27lbs (But gaining weight real soon, see below)

    I wanted to add a read disc to this bike and the process was a LOT bigger than I expected. I also got the longer travel BETD link which made me also get a 5" travel fork (instead of 4") to not screw up my geometry. Also added needle bearings to all pivots in the process. These changes seemed to add some stiffness to the rear and at the same time make the suspension more active. The rear disc looks a bit stupid, I had to add an adapter and the situation made it so only a 8" disc would work. I then thought I should put an 8" on the front then, but my front Hayes Mag was the 1styear they produced is a 71mm spacing (not a 74mm spacing like is standard now) and NO ONE seems to have an adapter for this caliper for an 8" disc, so I am forced to run a 6" for now.

    I plan to add some new tires (2.35/2.1 Kenda Nevegal), and maybe some different pedals soon.

    I was really surprised I was still able to keep the bike well under 30# (27 lbs)considering I added the rear link, needle bearings, rear disc, rear disc mount, etc... PLUS I am running a real coilover rear shock and a Marzocchi coil/open bath system. I am sure it will get closer to 30# when I add different pedals. And, Yes, I still care about weight, since I ride up as well as down, and I pretty far from a goat.








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    I noticed that the chain stays on there look diff. from the stock set-up that came on my bike. Any ideas? Any info? As far as weight, my bike comes in at 38#.
    Here in Far-Nor-Cal we ride up so we really enjoy the DH back to town (earn your turn). Nice bike Rod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    I noticed that the chain stays on there look diff. from the stock set-up that came on my bike. Any ideas? Any info? As far as weight, my bike comes in at 38#.
    Here in Far-Nor-Cal we ride up so we really enjoy the DH back to town (earn your turn). Nice bike Rod.
    Thanks for the compliments.

    Chainstays are stock, just look different because they are painted.

    As far as going "down". I use to race this bike DH in the last 90s, Back then I had a 4" travel JrT and 4.5" (claimed 5.5") on the rear. I also had XTR V-Brakes on the rear. I just added slightly bigger tires and my BMX pedals. Now this bike is in a LOT of ways even more capable as a DHer than it was back then, and it still is that light. To be honest, I don't know how I could make it more stout outside of wider/beefier wheels (but I never bend my rims anyway), take off all the Ti bolts, run bigger tires and pedals, wider bars? maybe add some fenders? LOL. To be honest, it would be pretty hard for me to get this thing above 32lbs.

    I kind of wonder how much this frame weighs compared to newer frames? IIRC, when I weighed it, it was 6.25# (this was before the BETD link and bearings).

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    Everything on my bike is stout/beefy. This way I don't have to worry about hurting anything while haulin the mail down some/all of our local dh around here. We also do some light Freeridin also, so this is def. my do everything type bike.
    Hey Rod, I raced DH on this bike too and had alot of fun. Plan on doin some more DH racing with it too. I'll try and get some pic's of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    Everything on my bike is stout/beefy. This way I don't have to worry about hurting anything while haulin the mail down some/all of our local dh around here. We also do some light Freeridin also, so this is def. my do everything type bike.
    Hey Rod, I raced DH on this bike too and had alot of fun. Plan on doin some more DH racing with it too. I'll try and get some pic's of it.
    Cool, I have a couple picks of me racing some DH NORBA national races on this bike with V-Brakes, when they first came out and all the rave. I should post them.

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    Hey Rod, if you want, look back to 9-6 -2009 on here at OverdaBars pic's of his bike and check out the non-drive side chainstay, thats what mine looked like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    Hey Rod, if you want, look back to 9-6 -2009 on here at OverdaBars pic's of his bike and check out the non-drive side chainstay, thats what mine looked like.
    Thats right, that the newer frame. Did they use a bearing kit at that main pivot at that point? I can't remember why they changed it.

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    btw, "achipmunk" bought my spare frame today, he is in the process of building it now (he has sent me a few emails as we speak, asking questions). Can't wait til he gets it built up and posts some pictures!!!

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    It's been so long since I had that set-up I don't remember. It kinda looks like bearings though, doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH
    btw, "achipmunk" bought my spare frame today, he is in the process of building it now (he has sent me a few emails as we speak, asking questions). Can't wait til he gets it built up and posts some pictures!!!
    A Max Backbone frame? Too cool. He will love it.
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    Check out this one on the AM forum. Check out this guys bike. Looks pretty dang sweet.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?...postcount=2416

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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    A Max Backbone frame? Too cool. He will love it.
    Ya, Max. It should turn out really nice, he has a Risse link to put on there and it already has a needle bearing kit on the main pivot, along with his stuff he already has, should turn out really nice.

    I was really debating even selling the frame, the OCD in me wanted to keep it and still build it up, just because. But the logic in me tells me I didn't need to have another bike just sitting around for no reason. I am really stocked I sold it to him, rather than some goof on ebay trying to put his Huffy parts on it.

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    That's nice. I'm curious to see Alvin's bike when it's done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH
    btw, "achipmunk" bought my spare frame today, he is in the process of building it now (he has sent me a few emails as we speak, asking questions). Can't wait til he gets it built up and posts some pictures!!!
    Yes indeed...I have just joined the ranks of Max Backbone owners. Thanks again Rod. Now, I just need to build it.
    I pulled apart the rear end earlier today and am getting ready to strip the paint. Need to figure out what I want to do in terms of finish though. I'm either gonna polish it like I did with my FSR Comp (and maybe have it clear powder coated to protect the shine) or I'm thinking about having it powder coated a matte gunmetal/dark grey color.
    Here's an older pic of the finish on the FSR Comp:


    Once the color is outta the way, it'll be time to swap parts from the Comp to the Max frame. The frame came with a Manitou rear shock, but I also have an '05 Fox DHX 5.0 Coil waiting in the wings. Can't wait to get it all together.

    I do have a quick question for you max owners. When I was working on the frame earlier, I noticed that the last cable holder for the front derailleur is right under the rear link...before it turns downward to the actual front derailleur. On Rod's bike, it looks as if there's an additional guide that turns downward towards the front derailleur? Anyone know where I can get one of those?

    Anyway, Rod...thanks again. Your Orange/blue bike looks great in person. Rock on.

    Alvin Caragay
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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Yes indeed...I have just joined the ranks of Max Backbone owners. Thanks again Rod. Now, I just need to build it.
    I pulled apart the rear end earlier today and am getting ready to strip the paint. Need to figure out what I want to do in terms of finish though. I'm either gonna polish it like I did with my FSR Comp (and maybe have it clear powder coated to protect the shine) or I'm thinking about having it powder coated a matte gunmetal/dark grey color.
    Here's an older pic of the finish on the FSR Comp:


    Once the color is outta the way, it'll be time to swap parts from the Comp to the Max frame. The frame came with a Manitou rear shock, but I also have an '05 Fox DHX 5.0 Coil waiting in the wings. Can't wait to get it all together.

    I do have a quick question for you max owners. When I was working on the frame earlier, I noticed that the last cable holder for the front derailleur is right under the rear link...before it turns downward to the actual front derailleur. On Rod's bike, it looks as if there's an additional guide that turns downward towards the front derailleur? Anyone know where I can get one of those?

    Anyway, Rod...thanks again. Your Orange/blue bike looks great in person. Rock on.

    Alvin Caragay
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    Dang, You will have 2 sweet shocks, let me know how the FOX works!!

    As far as the cable stop, I didn't even realize it didn't have one. Hmmmm? I did a quick search, I wonder if a V-Brake noodle might work like this one?: Seems like a pretty decent solution.

    https://www.icyclesusa.com/catalog/a...ake-noodle.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH
    Dang, You will have 2 sweet shocks, let me know how the FOX works!!

    As far as the cable stop, I didn't even realize it didn't have one. Hmmmm? I did a quick search, I wonder if a V-Brake noodle might work like this one?: Seems like a pretty decent solution.

    http://www.icyclesusa.com/catalog/av...ake-noodle.htm
    The DHX was a good eBay find. It came with 3 different rate springs (550#, 600# and 650#) and I got a GREAT deal on it. I actually bought it hoping it would fit on the Comp with the Risse Hex Link. Needless to say, it wouldn't fit the Comp...at all. It's 7.5" i2i and the reservoir with the bottom-out adjustment was just too big even to reverse mount it. I already test fit it though and it fits the Max frame perfectly!

    As for the cable stop. I have a v-brake noodle from the v-brakes that came off the front of my bike (and the ones that will soon come off the rear of my bike)...will give it a try tomorrow and see if that'll work...

    As for the color...i'm feeling a little impatient. I think I might just strip it to bare aluminum, give the frame a good rub down for the brushed aluminum look, and build it from there using the parts off the Comp. I NEED to get this thing out on the trails ASAP!
    Maybe after it gets a bit colder and the days shorter, i'll pull it apart again to properly finish the frame (still debating if I wanna polish or powdercoat it)...

    Alvin
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    Hey guys, come spring or early summer next year we should all get together and do some ridin. Maybe a Downieville or Northstar adventure. Get a chance to check out other Max bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    Hey guys, come spring or early summer next year we should all get together and do some ridin. Maybe a Downieville or Northstar adventure. Get a chance to check out other Max bikes.
    Interesting idea Skip. My wife and I are having our first child this Dec/Jan (her due date is Jan 1st!) so my availability will very much depend on how the kid turns out...hopefully she'll be easy and i'll be able to spare some time for fun stuff. If so, i'd be down...

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    Cool cool, Congrats on the baby and good luck.I have 4 of those little buggers, only 1 at home now, but they are a kick. Gives you a ridin partner some day, huh? Again Congrats Alvin.
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    Hey, any idea if the rear triangle off a 2000 FSR Enduro would fit on a max backbone frame?
    I've got a line on a Enduro frame on Craigslist for $100 just wondering if it's worth it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    Cool cool, Congrats on the baby and good luck.I have 4 of those little buggers, only 1 at home now, but they are a kick. Gives you a ridin partner some day, huh? Again Congrats Alvin.
    Thanks Skip. Hopefully i'll have a riding partner some day. Hopefully I can get her to follow in daddy's footsteps and take to mountain biking. How soon is too soon to put a kid on a bike anyway?

    JoJon...I too wondered the same thing before. I believe the 00-01 Enduro uses the same rear link as the earlier FSR's, but the question is if the pivot is the same. I assume you're thinking about it because the Enduro had the rear disk mount?

    Alvin

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    JoJon...I too wondered the same thing before. I believe the 00-01 Enduro uses the same rear link as the earlier FSR's, but the question is if the pivot is the same. I assume you're thinking about it because the Enduro had the rear disk mount?

    Alvin
    The Enduro I'm looking at has a shark fin mount, I'd like to try and fab a disc mount on a rear triangle but I want to do it on a spare just in case I mess it up.

    Congrats on the little one, hurry up and get your max together and let's do some riding I'm in Tustin (Orange County) not far from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Thanks Skip. Hopefully i'll have a riding partner some day. Hopefully I can get her to follow in daddy's footsteps and take to mountain biking. How soon is too soon to put a kid on a bike anyway?

    JoJon...I too wondered the same thing before. I believe the 00-01 Enduro uses the same rear link as the earlier FSR's, but the question is if the pivot is the same. I assume you're thinking about it because the Enduro had the rear disk mount?

    Alvin
    Hey Alvin, I started my oldest boy at the age of 2 (now 20) my youngest daughter at 5 (now 16) and my youngest boy at 4 (now 10). My oldest girl takes after her mother and has nothing to do with bikes.
    Nothing like having your kid as a riding partner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJon
    The Enduro I'm looking at has a shark fin mount, I'd like to try and fab a disc mount on a rear triangle but I want to do it on a spare just in case I mess it up.

    Congrats on the little one, hurry up and get your max together and let's do some riding I'm in Tustin (Orange County) not far from you.
    Ah...why not just use the shark fin mount? Or would you prefer the "Custom" route. If so, I completely understand. I love fabricating stuff myself...
    RodH is down in south OC as well. Getting together and riding with some fellow Max owners would definitely be cool...

    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    Hey Alvin, I started my oldest boy at the age of 2 (now 20) my youngest daughter at 5 (now 16) and my youngest boy at 4 (now 10). My oldest girl takes after her mother and has nothing to do with bikes.
    Nothing like having your kid as a riding partner.
    Heh. Well, let's hope that she (having a daughter) takes after me and not my wife. She barely ever goes near the Electra beach cruiser I bought for her....much less a mountain bike. I figure i'll eventually get one of those trailer-like half bikes for kids that attaches to the seat post of your bike and has handlebars (and I believe pedals as well) and will take her on some real light trails (jogging paths, really). Hopefully that will pique her interest in bikes and eventually i'll get her her own MTB...

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    Oh and I just wanted to add...MAN is powdercoating pretty tough! Been working on stripping the finish off of my Max frame. There was paint over what looks to be the factory powdercoat. Using the standard chemicals I usually use for paint removal, the outer layers of spray paint come right off. The underlying mango-colored (didn't even know they made these Max frames in a mango/yellowish-orange color) powdercoat is pretty damn resilient and didn't really react to the chemicals. Had to move up to a badder, heavier-duty, aircraft stripper which smells much more caustic. Anyway, got it pretty much all stripped. Hmm...maybe I'll start my own little "build" thread in the Specialized Forum as well...once I get a little further along. Stay tuned...
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    Help!

    Help! Need to ask a favor from my fellow Max Backbone owners. Can someone take a closeup pic of the rearmost cable hanger for the front derailleur...the one that is kinda under the rear suspension linkage. It allows the cable to turn downward to the front derailleur. My recently acquired Max frame doesn't have the guide (or at least the curved piece that guides the cable downward from the frame-mounted guide) and I need to see if I can find one, or at least find something that will work. I tried the V-brake noodle from my old front brakes but it won't work. The frame-mounted part of the guide doesn't have a stop to it so there's nothing to hold the noodle in place in the frame-mounted part of the guide. I imagine that the proper guide has some sort of lip to prevent the guide from sliding out of the frame-mounted guide. That make sense? If not, I'll try to take a pic of what i'm referring to tomorrow...once my DSLR battery is charged up again...

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    Alvin,

    Here's the best I could do, the part is a machine turned part that is bent with a collar bonded on it. If you have access to a lathe one could be made easily but not everyone has access to a lathe. I searched through my box of bike parts and this is what I came up with if I had to fab the same part. First part is a long adjuster screw from an old front break leaver the other part is the V-brake noodle and the third part is (that isn't in the pic) a small piece of tubing that is the right inter diameter to slip over the screw and the noodle making it a collar or stiffener. Cut a small radius section out of the noodle, using JB weld bond the the three pieces together. Confused?? I hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Help! Need to ask a favor from my fellow Max Backbone owners. Can someone take a closeup pic of the rearmost cable hanger for the front derailleur...the one that is kinda under the rear suspension linkage. It allows the cable to turn downward to the front derailleur. My recently acquired Max frame doesn't have the guide (or at least the curved piece that guides the cable downward from the frame-mounted guide) and I need to see if I can find one, or at least find something that will work. I tried the V-brake noodle from my old front brakes but it won't work. The frame-mounted part of the guide doesn't have a stop to it so there's nothing to hold the noodle in place in the frame-mounted part of the guide. I imagine that the proper guide has some sort of lip to prevent the guide from sliding out of the frame-mounted guide. That make sense? If not, I'll try to take a pic of what i'm referring to tomorrow...once my DSLR battery is charged up again...

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    Hey Alvin, I just ran a piece of housing from the stop thats up higher to the very edge of the lower stop and left it at that, works fine.
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    Thanks for the replies JJ and Skip.

    JoJon...unfortunately, I personally don't have access to a metal lathe, but I may know some one that does. Gonna ask him if he could make me one. Looks like the original part is made out of stainless steel?

    Skip...so yours just comes out of the cable housing and the cable itself makes the turn down towards the front derailleur with nothing to guide it other than the housing itself? Interesting.
    I'm leaning a little more towards seeing if I can have one made by a competent machinist. Or perhaps i'll design one and see how much it'll cost to have made on emachineshop.com. I thought about trying to cobble something together, but i'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to small details like this. Anyway, thanks for the input guys.

    Oh, and I started a little "build" thread in the Specialized Forum for my "new" frame. Here's the link: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...82#post6295382

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Looks like the original part is made out of stainless steel?


    Oh, and I started a little "build" thread in the Specialized Forum for my "new" frame. Here's the link: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...82#post6295382

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    Alvin,

    Yes it's stainless steel, did a quick check with a magnet.

    I'll be fallowing your "build" thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJon
    Alvin,

    Yes it's stainless steel, did a quick check with a magnet.
    Figured as much, Thanks for the verification. Now, to get one made. If only I had bought that Smithy 3-in-1 lathe/milling machine back in my hardcore paintballing days...

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    Did you want to sell the discs you took off?

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    anyone know what the geometry of these frames were? Head angle, etc.....? For some reason I think it was a 70 or 71 degree HA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH
    anyone know what the geometry of these frames were? Head angle, etc.....? For some reason I think it was a 70 or 71 degree HA?
    Hey rod, I have a spec sheet here and it says 70.4.
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    skip, thanks!!

    Any more specs/geometry? I have a Medium 1997

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    Hey rod, the spec sheet I have is for the "99", but I'm sure they would be the same.
    This sheet shows frame sizes, SM, MED, LG, XL. What do ya want to know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJon
    Hey, any idea if the rear triangle off a 2000 FSR Enduro would fit on a max backbone frame?
    I've got a line on a Enduro frame on Craigslist for $100 just wondering if it's worth it or not.

    JJ, did you ever figure this out?

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    RIP my recently decommissioned FSR Elite

    Just been looking up stuff & pics on this bike to reminisce.

    Rapped to see so many of you with a passion for this bike!

    Here are pics of my recently decommissioned 1998 FSR Elite.
    Will be polishing her and putting her on the wall of my office.

    Sniff, my replacement '09 SJ FSR Comp is a better climber, but the old 1998 FSR decended with much more speed and cornering grip/agility = FUNNNNNN!!!
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    Reason for retiring? Was she broke or just tired?
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    Nice bike RobG555! Yeah, why decomission it? Why not take the Elite and set it up more for decending? Then you'd have your SJ for climbing and another bike for more gravity oriented riding... Nice bike either way. I'm sure it'll make a nice adornement to the office wall.

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    Why 1998 FSR Decommissioned?

    My fault intially
    Was 4WDing with her on the roof. Didn't notice the low branch across the track! Swept the bike off the racks. Broke the toe off one of the fork's dropouts. Hence the parts upgrade in the last shot. Replaced the XTR cranks too because found cracks mid-crank.
    Replaced Bars and Stem too for safety (Too many hospital bills already from MTB accidents!)
    Thought all was great again. But found the Frame (Sniff) was cracking in all the wrong places (Seat tube especially)
    Didn't want to change the way she looks by way of repairs. She'll look great reminding me of our awesome rides, by hanging on my wall
    The happy ending to all of this, is that if I replace the dud TRIAD rear shock on my 09 SJ FSR, it will descend and XC just as well as the old-girl. Yippee
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    That's a shame robg555. Sounds like she had her day though. The important part is that you're still out riding...regardless of what steed it's on.

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    WOW - thats great to hear that so may of you still have the passion for the FSR - I have a FSR Por black w/tripple crown manitou fork mostly stock except for the pedals, stem, bars, computer I loved that bike, well still do, getting back into it after being out of touch for some 5-10 years I still have it in my garage was cleaning here last night - wow I love that bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by specializeddaddy
    WOW - thats great to hear that so may of you still have the passion for the FSR - I have a FSR Por black w/tripple crown manitou fork mostly stock except for the pedals, stem, bars, computer I loved that bike, well still do, getting back into it after being out of touch for some 5-10 years I still have it in my garage was cleaning here last night - wow I love that bike
    Speshdaddy...Nice, another Max Backbone owner! Post some pics of your rig, i'm sure we'd all love to see em!

    Just realized I never posted a pic of my Max in this thread, so here's a pic of my "almost" completed bike:

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    Hey Alvin, did you get that DHX modified yet? Pix? I'm changing some stuff on my rig, hope to get it out in the next couple of weeks, come on sunshine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    Hey Alvin, did you get that DHX modified yet? Pix? I'm changing some stuff on my rig, hope to get it out in the next couple of weeks, come on sunshine.
    Not finished yet Skip. I picked up some fluid and the 1/16"MNPT to 1/8" FNPT adapter as well as a 1/16" NPT tap. Just need to find the proper drill bits to drill the holes for the taps. Unfortunately, the proper sized drill bits for both sizes of NPT taps are "Letter" sizes and not too many places carry letter sized drill bits. Gotta find some time to make it over to Harbor Freight as they have a drill bit set that has letter bits...

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    Hey guys just thought I'd chime in here......didn't realise there was still so many people who love these old frames as much as I do hehehe. I have 3 M.A.X. frames, a '97 GC, a '99 DH with the seriously beefy factory custom fabricated chainstay, and a '00 S-Works Team DH.....a few linkages and shock combinations to mess with.....also an as yet uninstalled Specialized disc adapter, MRP linkage and bearing kit. Here are a few pics.....enjoy!!!!
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    Joe Rumble...WOW. Sick collection of frames and old school FSR parts! I Would LOVE to find and build an FSR Team DH frame as a dedicated DH rig. One question...WHY aren't the Team DH and DH built?! It'd KILL me to look at those frames in my collection and not be able to ride em. Anyway, thanks for sharing! Glad to see another fellow FSR enthusiast out there.

    BTW...how does the length and shock mount placement on the gold Team long travel linkage compare to the other 3 linkages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    One question...WHY aren't the Team DH and DH built?! It'd KILL me to look at those frames in my collection and not be able to ride em. Anyway, thanks for sharing! Glad to see another fellow FSR enthusiast out there.

    well basically I've had the frames for a few years....amassed a very nice and rather exotic stockpile of parts but things have happened that made me have to shelve the builds. My music rig, cars etc....espcially my latest car have taken a high toll on my time and finances.....but I haven't forgotten my FSRs.

    You know I'm almost too scared to build them up and ride them because of something does happen to them I really won't be able to replace them....but in due course they'll be built up lovingly.

    It's really bought a smile to my face knowing there's people out there who still love these frames....I'm my opinion they're simply the best....I don't look at modern bikes....they've never taken my attention the way these USA made MAX handmade frames have.....thanks for the kind words and hope to chat again soon...

    Take care.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    BTW...how does the length and shock mount placement on the gold Team long travel linkage compare to the other 3 linkages?

    I've taken a couple photos of all 6 of my linkages so you can see for yourself.....I took them on grid paper and lined them up as best as I could using the forward linkage/frame pivot as the reference so you can see their respective sizes, shock placements.

    Ok from left to right....1) Stock MAX FSR linkage (forging), 2) '01 FSR Enduro 4 point adjustable linkage (forging), 3) MRP FSR long travel linkage(billet, CNC machined), 4) '99 FSR DH factory linkage (billet, CNC machined), 5) FSR Big Hit linkage (forging), 6) S-Works Team DH linkage (billet, CNC machined).

    The gold linkages shock placment is alot further forward than the MRP, Enduro and Big Hit links. The stock DH shock is a Fox RX and is a 6.5" i to i, and has a 1.75" stroke coupled with the longer linkage to give the 6" of travel. The wheelbase is also 1" longer because of the R.E.E.G. Engineering fabricated chainstay. A mod that can be done to this frame is the use of the Big Hit or S-Works Team DH linkages.....they're slightly longer than the gold link but the shock placement is significantly further back allowing the use of a much longer stroke shock (a 2" or maybe a 2.25" stroke shock compared to stock 1.75" stroke) for more travel, and the longer chainstay maintains the geometry within reasonable tolerances....maybe slightly steeper but with tall forks you could slacken it up a bit, and you get the 4 way adjustability as well.

    The MRP linkage is almost impossible to find, but a great and not well known upgrade for the standard FSR linkage is actually the FSR Enduro 4 way linkage. It bolts straight on and has a remarkably similar geometry, mounting points and shock locations as the MRP...but it's ever so slightly shorter than the MRP so it won't give ultimately as much travel, but it has 4 way adjustability for travel and head angle so it's well worth looking into if you're in the market for a longer travel option for the stock FSR. The shock placement is much further back than the stock linkage allowing the use of a longer stroke shock. The MRP kit for the MAX frame came with the FOX RX shock and was custom made for MRP in the very unusual size of 7" i to i with a 2" stroke.

    The Big Hit and the S-Works Team DH are identical in size but the Big Hit has much shorter travel because of the 24" tyre specific chain and seat stays.

    I've actually gone the other way on my red MAX GC and using a much shorter 5.75" i to i, 1.5" stroke shock from a Cannondale V. The stock shock is a 6.5" x 1.5" but I wanted a slacker head tube so the shorter shock gives me that while maintaining the stock 4" travel due to the same stroke length of the shocks.

    Well I hope this has been of some use to all you MAX FSR users out there.

    Chat soon and take care.....
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    Awesome. Thanks for that. That really helps actually. I have the Risse rear link, but have been tinkering with some longer travel shocks lately and have been thinking about trying out some other links. The length of the Risse link limits the max amount of travel. Was actually wondering if the link off of the Big Hit would work. Have you by chance ever tried fitting the Big Hit link onto your MAX FSR? Wonder how long of a shock you could fit with that thing on there...
    And yes...that is a dizzying collection of part you got there...
    Anyway, thanks for the added pics...

    So wait...you bought that frame off of eBay?! Damn. Now THAT is an eBay find if i've ever seen one! Did it come with the Dorado fork on it already?! How about your FSR Team DH? Was that an eBay find as well? There's a complete FSR Team DH on eBay right now, put the starting bid is $1600 or something like that. I'd love to find just a frameset like yours to build.
    Anyway, I completely understand where you're coming from with other things getting in the way. That's why it took me so long to get BACK into MTB after an almost 9 year hiatus...just too many other things going on in my life. I finally just shelved other things and made the time. Anyway, definitely keep up updated if you get to build those frames. would love to see how they turn out!
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    Are you selling the spesh disc adaptor? I've been looking for one of those for months. Those sharkfin things are mad hard to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Was actually wondering if the link off of the Big Hit would work. Have you by chance ever tried fitting the Big Hit link onto your MAX FSR? Wonder how long of a shock you could fit with that thing on there...
    Yes it will bolt on, but you'd seriously throw the geometry out in a big way and may run into clearance issues with the stock shock, mainly because the shock mounting is so far back in the linkage it will bring the linkage up more vertically and in turn bring the seat stay pivot alot closer to the seat post beam and tube. I think with a longer shock it would raise the bb height and steepen the head angle big time and require alot of dicking around to get things right again. You'd be alot safer going with an '01 Enduro linkage and slightly longer shock.....that will get you around 6" of travel, maybe a little more, and maintain your angles reasonably well.


    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    So wait...you bought that frame off of eBay?! Damn. Now THAT is an eBay find if i've ever seen one! Did it come with the Dorado fork on it already?! How about your FSR Team DH? Was that an eBay find as well?
    Yes my friend the '99 DH was an eBay score. I got the frame and the MRP bearings for under US$200 i think....can't remember it was a few years ago. I bought the '03 dorado a little later on.

    The Team DH was bought just as a totally bare main frame off eBay for US$60. I sourced the complete rear end, hardware bearings and bolts minus the shock here in Australia.

    The original shock for the Team DH was a Fox Vanilla RC measuring 8.5" i to i and 2.5" stroke. I couldn't find one in that size so i bought an RC measuring 8.75 x 2.75....it would steepen the angles ever so slightly but with that ultra tall Travis fork you have alot of room for adjustment. I loved the idea of the swinger platform shocks and was told by some good DH oriented bike shops here in Sydney that the 4 way swinger was the pick of the bunch as it was alot more reliable and responsive than the 6 way.....i didn't know whether it would fit onthe Team DH but alas it does.....but ONLY in the upper most shock mounting position on the frame and ONLY with the piggy back resevoir end of the shock mounted in the linkage, with the resevoir towards the frame. In all other positions and shock mounting orientations there are clearance issues. I took the spring out of the swinger and tried every posible mounting and shock orientation combination.......that position that i just described is the only way it will work and allow you to use all 4 shock positions in the linkage with no clearance issues.

    Man you just can't stop talking about these things once you get started....

    Take care....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunn Xchox
    Are you selling the spesh disc adaptor? I've been looking for one of those for months. Those sharkfin things are mad hard to find.

    Sorry mate it's not for sale, it will eventually make its way on my red GC to replace the Avid V brakes on it with the Shimano XT 4pot brakes. Thanx anyway and good luck tracking one down

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe rumble
    I've taken a couple photos of all 6 of my linkages so you can see for yourself.....I took them on grid paper and lined them up as best as I could using the forward linkage/frame pivot as the reference so you can see their respective sizes, shock placements.

    Ok from left to right....1) Stock MAX FSR linkage (forging), 2) '01 FSR Enduro 4 point adjustable linkage (forging), 3) MRP FSR long travel linkage(billet, CNC machined), 4) '99 FSR DH factory linkage (billet, CNC machined), 5) FSR Big Hit linkage (forging), 6) S-Works Team DH linkage (billet, CNC machined).

    The gold linkages shock placment is alot further forward than the MRP, Enduro and Big Hit links. The stock DH shock is a Fox RX and is a 6.5" i to i, and has a 1.75" stroke coupled with the longer linkage to give the 6" of travel. The wheelbase is also 1" longer because of the R.E.E.G. Engineering fabricated chainstay. A mod that can be done to this frame is the use of the Big Hit or S-Works Team DH linkages.....they're slightly longer than the gold link but the shock placement is significantly further back allowing the use of a much longer stroke shock (a 2" or maybe a 2.25" stroke shock compared to stock 1.75" stroke) for more travel, and the longer chainstay maintains the geometry within reasonable tolerances....maybe slightly steeper but with tall forks you could slacken it up a bit, and you get the 4 way adjustability as well.

    The MRP linkage is almost impossible to find, but a great and not well known upgrade for the standard FSR linkage is actually the FSR Enduro 4 way linkage. It bolts straight on and has a remarkably similar geometry, mounting points and shock locations as the MRP...but it's ever so slightly shorter than the MRP so it won't give ultimately as much travel, but it has 4 way adjustability for travel and head angle so it's well worth looking into if you're in the market for a longer travel option for the stock FSR. The shock placement is much further back than the stock linkage allowing the use of a longer stroke shock. The MRP kit for the MAX frame came with the FOX RX shock and was custom made for MRP in the very unusual size of 7" i to i with a 2" stroke.

    The Big Hit and the S-Works Team DH are identical in size but the Big Hit has much shorter travel because of the 24" tyre specific chain and seat stays.

    I've actually gone the other way on my red MAX GC and using a much shorter 5.75" i to i, 1.5" stroke shock from a Cannondale V. The stock shock is a 6.5" x 1.5" but I wanted a slacker head tube so the shorter shock gives me that while maintaining the stock 4" travel due to the same stroke length of the shocks.

    Well I hope this has been of some use to all you MAX FSR users out there.

    Chat soon and take care.....
    Hey joe, could I get you to measure link #3 & #4, center 2 center please. I'm just curious if my Risse link is close to or in between those 2. My Risse link is about 4.3". It is so cool to see another "old school" fsr still around. You have a great collection of parts there, keep up the good work. Cheers!
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    Hey skip thanks for the kind words. I just LOVE these older MAX FSR's....I have a real passion and soft spot for them. Modern bikes just don't do it for me like the MAX FSR's do.

    I tried to measure these as accurately as I humanly could hehe....

    The MRP linkage measures pretty much on 4 7/16" (113mm) center to center. From the frame pivot to the shock bolt center is 2 5/8" (68mm).

    The gold '99 DH linkage measured pretty much on 4 7/8" (124mm) center to center. From the frame pivot to the shock bolt center is 2 1/8" (53mm).

    Hope this helps.

    Take care.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe rumble
    Hey skip thanks for the kind words. I just LOVE these older MAX FSR's....I have a real passion and soft spot for them. Modern bikes just don't do it for me like the MAX FSR's do.

    I tried to measure these as accurately as I humanly could hehe....

    The MRP linkage measures pretty much on 4 7/16" (113mm) center to center. From the frame pivot to the shock bolt center is 2 5/8" (68mm).

    The gold '99 DH linkage measured pretty much on 4 7/8" (124mm) center to center. From the frame pivot to the shock bolt center is 2 1/8" (53mm).

    Hope this helps.

    Take care.......
    Thanx joe, thats what I needed. I have a few more ??? for ya but I'm feelin a bit under the weather right now, so I'll touch base with ya tomorrow, K? Thanx again.
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    Hope you feel better Skip. You took the words right outta my mouth as asking lengths was gonna be my next question for Mr. Rumble...

    Joe....can I trouble you to also take measurements of the Big Hit Linkage as well? I'm currently running a Risse linkage with a 7.5"x2.0" Fox DHX 5.0. With that combo and how i'm running it, i'm getting a little over 6" of travel. I also recently acquired a 2009 8.5"x2.5" DHX 5.0 to play with. Trying to get to close to 7" to match the 170mm of travel from my Marzocchi Junior T fork, but don't want to screw up the geometry while doing it. I can run the 8.5" DHX using the lower set of upper shock mounting holes on my frame, but I think the length of the Risse link may be a slightly limiting factor in actual travel. I think a lnkage that is the length as the gold DH link, but with the shock mount location of the MRP or Enduro link old be perfect...

    Hey Rod...if you're out there....any chance you could measure your BETD linkage? Not the overall length, but the distances from the frame side pivot to the 3 shock mounting points on the linkage. Pretty please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Joe....can I trouble you to also take measurements of the Big Hit Linkage as well?

    Ok here you go....it's pretty long compared with the others....

    Total length center to center....5 5/8" (143mm), frame pivot to forward most shock bolt center 3 9/16" (91mm), frame pivot to rear most shock bolt center 4" (111mm)

    S-Works Team DH link is identical.

    Good luck & take care.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe rumble
    Ok here you go....it's pretty long compared with the others....

    Total length center to center....5 5/8" (143mm), frame pivot to forward most shock bolt center 3 9/16" (91mm), frame pivot to rear most shock bolt center 4" (111mm)

    S-Works Team DH link is identical.

    Good luck & take care.....
    Thanks for that Joe Rumble. Sounds like that might be too long. Actually, I think the length of the link would be ok...it's the mounting point for the shock that I forsee as a problem. Anyway, thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Hope you feel better Skip. You took the words right outta my mouth as asking lengths was gonna be my next question for Mr. Rumble...

    Joe....can I trouble you to also take measurements of the Big Hit Linkage as well? I'm currently running a Risse linkage with a 7.5"x2.0" Fox DHX 5.0. With that combo and how i'm running it, i'm getting a little over 6" of travel. I also recently acquired a 2009 8.5"x2.5" DHX 5.0 to play with. Trying to get to close to 7" to match the 170mm of travel from my Marzocchi Junior T fork, but don't want to screw up the geometry while doing it. I can run the 8.5" DHX using the lower set of upper shock mounting holes on my frame, but I think the length of the Risse link may be a slightly limiting factor in actual travel. I think a lnkage that is the length as the gold DH link, but with the shock mount location of the MRP or Enduro link old be perfect...

    Hey Rod...if you're out there....any chance you could measure your BETD linkage? Not the overall length, but the distances from the frame side pivot to the 3 shock mounting points on the linkage. Pretty please?
    Alvin, about a year ago I rode with a guy that had a couple of these Max bikes with a Risse rear set up. One of them had a Jupitor 5R rear shock on it and he claimed he was getting 7" travel out of it. I don't know what the i2i was on it. But maybe a longer shock with a remote res. could get you around 7" of travel. Just my .02
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    Alvin, about a year ago I rode with a guy that had a couple of these Max bikes with a Risse rear set up. One of them had a Jupitor 5R rear shock on it and he claimed he was getting 7" travel out of it. I don't know what the i2i was on it. But maybe a longer shock with a remote res. could get you around 7" of travel. Just my .02
    Thanks for that Skip. Did the bike have a high standover height or a super high BB height? I'm trying to get 7" without jacking up the rear end excessively and completely messing up the geometry, etc. Although the Risse line of shocks do have longer travel for a given i2i length...longer than most other shock manufactuers. Right now i've got a 8.5x2.5" Fox DHX that i'm playing with and it might be a bit long. Jacks up the rear end a little higher than i'd like...even with the hex link set on the "lowest" setting. The 8.0x2.5" Jupiter 5R would probably be perfect...only problem is the price....

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    The standover wasn't to bad, but the BB was pretty high. He did have the whole Risse rearend on there so the seatstays are adjustable as well.You are right, the 8 x 2.5 would probably be a perfect fit for what you want. I agree with you on the price of the shocks, pretty spendy. To bad you couldn't talk Kevin into a sponsorship or something and give you a helluva discount on the rest of the parts you need.
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    I just got a FSR MAX frame Brand new never used (1999) from a guy who had it as spare parts. It has the Mountain Speed link on it and stuff like that. It came with a brand new 2001 Carbon X-vert. OMG I was happy when I got this thing! It is a large frame but he has a used medium he is giving me for $100.




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    Nice find there steven, very clean looking cycle. That swing link really looks like the Risse Hex link that I have on my rig. Had a chance to ride it yet? Oh yeah, welcome to the FSR ranks.
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    Not much. This is my first real bike and I am still learning all the ins and outs of setup. I did take it off a 7 foot jump and was surprised that I didn't die....good start!

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    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=570489 Go to this thread and check out some of the other FSR's out there. I'm sure some of those guys would like to see what you have found.
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    WOW, so you got the frame (or the whole bike) for $100 american? WOW!!!!!!!

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    no $600. The other frame will cost me $100. LOL...I wish!

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    Hi,

    I got one too

    Bought second hand, barely used. Spins from eBay, full XTR.

    A joyride

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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    Nice find there steven, very clean looking cycle. That swing link really looks like the Risse Hex link that I have on my rig. Had a chance to ride it yet? Oh yeah, welcome to the FSR ranks.
    Skip....if i'm not mistaken. The linkage on there looks to be the Mountain Speed Long Travel Kit. Used to be quite popular for these bikes back in the day, but seem to be pretty hard to find now...

    Anyway, nice to see a couple more old-school FSR's out there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Skip....if i'm not mistaken. The linkage on there looks to be the Mountain Speed Long Travel Kit. Used to be quite popular for these bikes back in the day, but seem to be pretty hard to find now...

    Anyway, nice to see a couple more old-school FSR's out there...

    Yep Alvin it is most definitely an MRP linkage....and an MRP brake adapter too....Still running the factory bushings though....

    steven and kaptein....gorgeous bikes guys....you've both done well to score such awesome bikes in the condition they're in, and glad to welcome and hear from more MAX FSR fans....thanks for sharing

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    I had no clue what I was buying till afterwords. I all I kept thinking when I seen it was....dirt bike...Between the forks the bars and the stance I thought it just looked like dirt bike frame minus the motor and tank!

    After reading about the MAX frame vs all the stumpjumpers I am quite happy to have this bike. Now all I got to do is go enter some races....if there are any in my area.

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    Hey steven, a good friend of mine said the same thing about my rig, how cool.

    Welcome Kaptein, enjoy the ride. Cheers!
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    So who here knows where to get derailleur hangers for these bikes at? Had some der issues and now I am hangar-less and running single speed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steven_first
    So who here knows where to get derailleur hangers for these bikes at? Had some der issues and now I am hangar-less and running single speed!
    I just may have a couple of those little dudes. Post a pic and I will look, see if I can find them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    I just may have a couple of those little dudes. Post a pic and I will look, see if I can find them.
    I don't have the rest of the hanger around the bike but let me know if you need to see it...I think it is still on the crap derailleur! Let me know if you need any other pics or info!
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    Quote Originally Posted by steven_first
    I don't have the rest of the hanger around the bike but let me know if you need to see it...I think it is still on the crap derailleur! Let me know if you need any other pics or info!
    Yeah, I have a couple of those around here somewhere, let me do some searching and I'll get back to ya, koo?
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    OK steven 1st, I found 'em. They're not mint, but they are straight and better than what you have there. Shoot me a PM if ya want with your address and we'll get these puppies in the mail to ya.
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    Does anyone know how the sizing on these goes? I saw one post that said they only came in Small, Medium & Large but then I have seen others size them as 17, 19, etc. Would a 19 be considered a Medium or a Large? I have a non-Max FSR 19 inch that it fits me really well.

    Does anyone have a 19 inch equivalent Max frame that they would like to sell? Preferably with the upgraded linkage, bearing kit and disc mount.

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    Here's what I have from a spec sheet: sm, med, lg, xl. I don't know if they ever measured in inches or not.
    If you measure from center of bb to top of seat tube, 19" should be a large. You can measure the top tube length and that will tell you the size also. If you have anymore questions let me know, be glad to help.
    Cheers
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    I think you're right there skip....If I can recall they go up in 2" increments....15" small, 17" medium, 19" large and 21" x-large.

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    For Sale: Newly Powdercoated Max Backbone

    Another Max Backbone fan here. I was going to build a second one but never got very far. If you're interested in a Medium 17" frame, please contact me. Just the 3 pieces - you'll need to build it up from scratch.

    Powdercoated at MAAS Brothers (a leading powder coater in the Bay Area).

    A two coat powdercoat. It has a VERY deep / wet / candy coat look.

    $200. - just about the cost of the powder coat.





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    great thread... thanks for all the pics and info in here ... friend of mine just gave me a '98 FSR elite... needs some tidbits on it (chain, pads, and levers) and cleaned up but neat bike... large frame and the suspension just aren't up to my height or weight needs doh lol..
    prob going to clean it up get it rideable and sell her to someone who can enjoy her...

    on a side note... boy does that triple clamp fork look mean...
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    fsr 1999

    Hi, I am writing from Spain. I was lucky I discovered this post I attach some pics of my bike. It is exactly as I bought it (only NC-17 mod was added).

    Yeah, this is a great bike!!! ... Now I want to make some upgrades to it and I need some help from you guys.

    I want to upgrade my rear suspension, because I think I can get a better (much better) performance using one of the new rear suspensions that you can buy now. I have checked the whole post, but -because my poor english- I am not sure about what rear suspension I can mount. I have checked various rear suspensions (fox, manitou, ..) but none have the exact measure for this bike (eye-to-eye: 15,8cm = 6,22"). Only Risse has one (Astro 5), but it´s difficult for me to contact them (it takes a week or more to them to answer an email). Can anyone tell me what other options do I have? I don´t know if I can mount for example a rock shox Monarch 4.2 with this measures: 165 x 38mm (6.5 x 1.5")? I live in a small island and it´s not easy for me to see physically the rear suspensions and check if they work. Therefore I must be 100% sure before I order it online.

    Anyone can suggest a rear suspension that works great with this bike? mainly use enduro/all mountain.

    Once I upgrade my rear suspension, ishould I also upgrade the bearings in my rear suspension? Any ideas where I can get some kits for it appart from Betd ones?

    Also, I am not sure if buying one linkage (for example Betd has 2 options: Specialized FSR XC 99/00 or Specialized FSR Gc 97 to 99 and Enduro 00 to 01) would help me to mount a "more standard rear suspension" for example like Monarc/Rp23? What is the main use of this linkages?

    And last, how can I mount a rear disk brake? I have seen a lot of pics of your bikes, but cannot see in detail how it is done.

    Thx in advance for your help.
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    I know you mentioned that Risse takes some time to responde to your e-mail's, but truthfully he is probably the guy you really need to try and do business with. He makes a complete rear triangle for the FSR, which includes the disc brake tabs, needle bearing pivots. Another plus for Risse, he has all the dimensions for this bike so when you get his stuff it bolts right on and off you go.
    I had that very same bike at one time and over time I had a complete Risse rear triangle on it and what a difference it made. If you can, I think your best bet would be to give Risse a try. Thats just my opinion. Aside from having my Astro-5 rebuilt a couple times, I've been running Risse stuff on my FSR Elite for 7 years now, no issues. Good to see another FSR out there. Good luck with your project.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=570489 Here is something for you to look at.
    It's a long thread, but some good info and pictures too.
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    Thx for replay. I will call tomorrow Risse by phone. I hope this helps and I can order from them. I will later update my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razzta01
    Thx for replay. I will call tomorrow Risse by phone. I hope this helps and I can order from them. I will later update my post.
    If you want, you can mention my name to Kevin (Risse), it may help a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    If you want, you can mention my name to Kevin (Risse), it may help a little.
    Hi, talked today with Kevin. Everything is ok now. Thx.

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    Hi gents....and gals if you're there....stumbled on this online site/forum devoted to the MAX BB frame....there's only 2 members there, myself and the admin guy, i joined a couple of months ago, but site has been up for a couple of years I think....just thought you guys might be interested in pulling all resources and experience together in the one place with a common interest....up to you guys, but just putting it out there....here's the link http://www.wix.com/mbbadmin/max%20backbone

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    Hi again!

    Looking forward to upgrade my bike .... now I want to upgrade my drivetrain.

    I have all components that came with my original bike, but I am not sure if I can combine them with some new stuff. Let me explain ... my rear Derailleur does not have a "fixed arm" like the new ones. So my question is: can I combine my whole drivetrain with a new rear Derailleur? If yes, what can you recommend?

    I am asking you because the guy at my local bike shop told me the only option would be I buy the whole new drivetrain...he suggested shimano xt 2010, but it is quite a lot of $.

    Now I have: 1 deore Lx rear & front Derailleur.

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    Hi, is Kevin Risse still able to sort me out with a rear end? The Risse Racing web site seems to be down, I'd hate to think that he has folded. Any info or a phone number much appreciated (and should be put on the MBB site too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmAwelon
    Hi, is Kevin Risse still able to sort me out with a rear end? The Risse Racing web site seems to be down, I'd hate to think that he has folded. Any info or a phone number much appreciated (and should be put on the MBB site too)
    I just looked and their website (http://www.risseracing.com) and it worked for me. I also tried calling the number I had stored in my phone (same as listed on their website): 541-526-7242 and got the Risse Racing answering machine, so it looks like they're still in business. I still need to buy their rear triangle for my Max BB FSR (or at LEAST their seat stays for the bearings and integrated disc mount) so I *hope* they're still in business...no one else still makes parts for this bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by razzta01
    Hi again!

    Looking forward to upgrade my bike .... now I want to upgrade my drivetrain.

    I have all components that came with my original bike, but I am not sure if I can combine them with some new stuff. Let me explain ... my rear Derailleur does not have a "fixed arm" like the new ones. So my question is: can I combine my whole drivetrain with a new rear Derailleur? If yes, what can you recommend?

    I am asking you because the guy at my local bike shop told me the only option would be I buy the whole new drivetrain...he suggested shimano xt 2010, but it is quite a lot of $.

    Now I have: 1 deore Lx rear & front Derailleur.
    Hey razzta...I went through this same thing earlier this year when I built my Max BB frame. I don't know if you could get a newer RD to work with the rest of your older drivetrain, but honestly, It's probably a safer bet to just upgrade the shifters and derailleurs at the same time...that way, you'll KNOW they'll work together. That's what I did with my Max BB FSR...upgraded to a complete '09 SRAM X9 drivetrain (everything was bought on sale since at the time it was last year's models) and couldn't be happier. Shifts much better than my old, worn out LX drivetrain, and I got the added benefit of a 9-speed rear. Oh, and it looks the part as well.

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    Thanks - Risse's www. must have just been having a funny moment last night. I like what he does there with that modular rear end. It opens up disc possibilities for plenty of retro full- sussers.

    Here in the UK my mate Postman Dan had a '98 non-MAX Ground Control Extreme in grabba green. He upgraded it with the BETD link and their needle bearings as each set of bushes wore out. Apart from the fact that the v-brakes braking on carbon composite Spin wheels were rubbish stoppers it was a surprisingly good ride and he was beating lots of newer rigs DH.

    This Easter he got lucky on ebay and upgraded the chassis to a '98 Ground Control FSR Pro with the Maxbackbone. It also came with box section BETD seatstays (no longer available) so was disc friendly. A very nice ride and to be honest I'd like one myself to park alongside my fleet of Specialized bikes. BETD do us proud over here in the UK and I am glad they keep some of you rolling over the pond.

    I'm sure once I point him to this he'll get some pictures up for you guys although he can be a bit lazy unless it concerns selling something on ebay!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmAwelon
    Hi, is Kevin Risse still able to sort me out with a rear end? The Risse Racing web site seems to be down, I'd hate to think that he has folded. Any info or a phone number much appreciated (and should be put on the MBB site too)
    Hi! Yes, Rise is working. I just bought 1 Astro-5 recently.
    And yes: he is still selling the whole back suspension (you can also buy each part of the back suspension separately if you want). Kevin from Risse is a nice guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Hey razzta...I went through this same thing earlier this year when I built my Max BB frame. I don't know if you could get a newer RD to work with the rest of your older drivetrain, but honestly, It's probably a safer bet to just upgrade the shifters and derailleurs at the same time...that way, you'll KNOW they'll work together. That's what I did with my Max BB FSR...upgraded to a complete '09 SRAM X9 drivetrain (everything was bought on sale since at the time it was last year's models) and couldn't be happier. Shifts much better than my old, worn out LX drivetrain, and I got the added benefit of a 9-speed rear. Oh, and it looks the part as well.
    Ok, I think I will go this way: just buying the whole drivetrain kit. How much did you pay for your SRAM?
    Do you know any shop that has now a good offer of any drivetrain (i am looking for slx or xt or sram´s equivalent (what would it be?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by razzta01
    Ok, I think I will go this way: just buying the whole drivetrain kit. How much did you pay for your SRAM?
    Do you know any shop that has now a good offer of any drivetrain (i am looking for slx or xt or sram´s equivalent (what would it be?)
    Hmm...haven't tallied up the totals, but I bought it all piecemeal from different places online depending on who had the better prices. A good majority I got from Pricepoint.com and Jensonusa.com. Last year's models are usually available for a pretty good price. Pricepoint also usually has the derailleurs and shifters packaged as well for a slight savings. Definitely worth checking out.

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    I picked this guy up a few weeks ago. Haven't really had time to go for a good ride yet except for a rail trail with the fiance. My only beef with it is not knowing how well the rear shock will take big hits.

    Specs: MAXX backbone frame, Rock Shox Boxxer fork, azonic bar and stem, Chris King headset, Sun Ringle wheels and hubs, IRC Kujo DH tires, Hayes hydraulic front and rear, XT front and XTR rear. And the really old Rock Shox SID rear shock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugemoose
    I picked this guy up a few weeks ago. Haven't really had time to go for a good ride yet except for a rail trail with the fiance. My only beef with it is not knowing how well the rear shock will take big hits.

    Specs: MAXX backbone frame, Rock Shox Boxxer fork, azonic bar and stem, Chris King headset, Sun Ringle wheels and hubs, IRC Kujo DH tires, Hayes hydraulic front and rear, XT front and XTR rear. And the really old Rock Shox SID rear shock.


    Nice bike Hugemoose! Don't know how that rear shock would handle bigger hits either, but the way the rest of the bike is built it looks like you could probably benefit from a longer travel rear link (and maybe a beefier rear shock) like the Risse Hex link or BETD linkage (only 2 that I know of that are still being made currently for our bikes).

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    Thanks for the tips about the linkage. I'll definitely be looking into those!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugemoose
    Thanks for the tips about the linkage. I'll definitely be looking into those!
    Yeah, I had a Risse Hex Link on my Max BB FSR and it's a well designed piece. Made the rear travel feel more plush than the stock linkage. A worthwhile purchase IMHO. I recently, however, switched to a rear linkage off of a 2000 Big Hit because it is longer and would allow me to run a longer shock in an attempt to get even more rear travel than the Risse Link would give me (I wanted to even out the rear travel with the 170mm Marzocchi Junior T front fork). Pics and info can be found on the build thread for my bike here: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=570489

    A couple guys on here run the BETD linkage and seem to like it as well. It is a bit longer than the Risse one and works with a stock length rear shock. Perhaps one of the guys with the BETD link will chime in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Yeah, I had a Risse Hex Link on my Max BB FSR and it's a well designed piece. Made the rear travel feel more plush than the stock linkage. A worthwhile purchase IMHO. I recently, however, switched to a rear linkage off of a 2000 Big Hit because it is longer and would allow me to run a longer shock in an attempt to get even more rear travel than the Risse Link would give me (I wanted to even out the rear travel with the 170mm Marzocchi Junior T front fork). Pics and info can be found on the build thread for my bike here: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=570489

    A couple guys on here run the BETD linkage and seem to like it as well. It is a bit longer than the Risse one and works with a stock length rear shock. Perhaps one of the guys with the BETD link will chime in...
    That's certainly an interesting thing to do. I'll have to look into that. My biggest concern is if I buy a new link making sure that I buy the correct length shock. It seems that Fox makes some really reasonably price rear shocks. I could pick up a simple non-external reservoir one for $100 bucks. Or a slightly better one for $200. That's not too shabby! I did put it through it's paces yesterday and the rear did seem to keep up rather well, but there is always room for improvement.

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    atchipmunk, you have a PM.

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    Hi again, some pics of my new astro-5. I still need to install it..i will post more pics when installed.
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    Hi, I tried to install the Astro-5 and it does not fit in properly.


    I had to change the bushes (I think you call it like this) to the other side.


    Now it fits in but I am not sure if I can install the shock like this (it´s placement is exactly the opposite as it comes with the stock position). Pls, can anyone confirm if this is ok?

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    Hi !

    Another question: where can I get bearings to update my rear suspension?

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    Hey Razzta...I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be a problem to run the Risse shock in that position. To be sure, though, you should give Risse a call and ask.

    As for the Bearings, I believe the only place that sells just the bearings themselves is BETD in the UK. Risse only has bearings available as part of their rear chain and seat stays. Don't think they sell them by themselves, but it's worth asking when you call about the shock. Hope this helps.

    Alvin

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    BETD is where you get the bearing kits. They make the suspension even better.

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