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    The single consolidated official drop bar thread

    Edited for clarity, I hope

    There are some drop bar bikes that are set up really well and some that aren't. I'm hoping the ones that are set up really well predominate in this thread. I see some bikes posted in other forums that are really bad and it would be nice for folks to be able to find properly set up drop bar bikes in one place as a reference of sorts. VRCers seem to have the hang of setting up dirt drops. I know there are a few styles of offroad drop bars, and people have different preferences, but generally proper dirt drop bar setup fall in a pretty narrow range.

    Enough people ask about this topic in this forum, and you see plenty of people using drops these days on new bikes, how about nice repository for properly set up bikes, vintage or otherwise, with drop bars. Let's include links to external resources like Shiggy's and Guitar Ted's, good photos of 'proper' setup, philosophy, anything that will help the newb when they decide to try drop bars offroad.

    http://mtbtires.com/site2/features/3...-ride-dropbars

    http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com...ng-part-i.html
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    It's a touring bike, but they are mountain drops and it is a trail pic.
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    Nice start.

    Maybe a little more bike in each picture. Especialliy the ham
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    Quote Originally Posted by IF52
    Nice start.

    Maybe a little more bike in each picture. Especialliy the ham
    I thought the focus was the Dirt Drop Setup....

    Personaly I was admiring how each bike so far has a little different variable to the cable routing......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemmer
    I thought the focus was the Dirt Drop Setup....

    Personaly I was admiring how each bike so far has a little different variable to the cable routing......
    Yeah, pretty much, but it is kind of hard to get a really good idea of setup with just a snap of the bars. That picture of the Ritchey with the saddle visible is nice because it shows the bar to saddle relationship.

    It seems like a lot of folks when they first try to set up a drop bar bike wind up with the bars too low and with too long a stem. My first attemptin the early 90s was like that. I could barely reach the hoods and felt like my nose was on the stem bolt because the drops were so low.
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    Here's a link to a couple of the other pretty stacked drop bar threads:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=85975

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=300480


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    Ah, damn. My search skilz suck. I was looking for those. I forgot I was the one started that one or I would have bumped it back up. Sorry.
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    Original setup with RM-3s:


    Newer setup with RM-2s:



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    I love that ibis
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    Quote Originally Posted by IF52
    I love that ibis

    Yep. One of my fave Ibis' too.
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    Between the RM-2s and RM-3s which do you prefer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IF52
    Ah, damn. My search skilz suck. I was looking for those. I forgot I was the one started that one or I would have bumped it back up. Sorry.

    Haha, ya I was gonna call you out on that.


    This one has 'official' in the title....so MCS should put this in the main VRC sticky up top for reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Between the RM-2s and RM-3s which do you prefer?
    The RM-2s felt instantly comfortable and familiar even after riding some 20+ yrs with the RM-3s. At first I was worried about the increased width of the RM-2s on tight trails, but that doesn't seem to be an issue. My RM-2s had been cut down an inch to accommodate barcons which helps a bit.

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    the ibis is so hot. it's my fave bike in this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    the ibis is so hot. it's my fave bike in this forum.
    The guys at Ibis were sure doing some nice work in those days. This bike was from the time when it was still a three man operation - Scot, Wes Williams, and the painter Lawrence. Although Scot painted this one himself.

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    I second the petition for this as a sticky, but IF--why not edit your first post into a compendium of the collective wisdom regarding fit and drop bar mtbs, some links to the previous threads, and other such business?
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    Comment moved up as suggested.
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    Sorry--I can clarify--

    I meant all of it
    Sort of like the other stickies, this thread could be a crash course for drop bars. Grab the links to the other threads, maybe write a short primer (or pull one from the other other threads) explaining the reasoning behind offroad drop bar fit. Your second paragraph in the post above sound like a good intro.

    Might be worth tossing in some other links from around the web. Then perhaps this thread CAN act as a consolidated drop bar thread and serve as a resource to people who google themselves to the VRC.

    Guitar Ted's write-up is probably useful to include a link to:
    http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com...ng-part-i.html
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    Well...the mod could in theory merge all the threads into one.
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    i got one..
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    Drop Bars, Not Acid....

    Sorry, flashback to a less militant time.
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    But, it really rides nice, has an almost plush give to it , especially descending.....I was pleasantly surprised....Comfy climber also, very peppy(even when I'm not)
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    I have photo's of many little dirt drop related jewel's (and a few dirt clods) from the VRC coffers. Admittedly I have stolen a ton of dirt drop related photo's from this site during my personal quest to learn about and then apply the whole theory.......

    I really dig researching old VRC threads...
    With a little filtering, there really is a lot to learn here.......
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    Here's a couple

    <img src="http://ns10.reliablehosting.com/~kb11/tc28.jpg">

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    But if there already some original threads about this, would that make this thread a reproduction?

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    Here's a shot my '92 Litespeed with drops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadsters
    But if there already some original threads about this, would that make this thread a reproduction?
    Yes, but that's why eric mentioned having MCS merge and sticky them. There are already threads that are just picture threads, and there is the one I started a few years ago asking for advice on setup, but there isn't one good consolidated thread on the generally accepted best practice of drop bar setup. I see a lot of posts where people set there bikes up with drops, but have them set up like a road bike. Then when they finally ride them offroad, they state they hate how the bike rode. Really good pictures, like some in this thread so far, and explanation like G-Teds might induce an 'oh, duh' moment.

    I had ridden drop bar bikes like the Rock Combo and liked them, but the first time I tried to set one up myself I really didn't think about bar height and reach and wound up with it set up like a road bike and it sucked, so I gave up on the idea. Then I found this forum and it sparked my interest to try it again, properly, and I really like it. Now that is how my 29er is set up.
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    I was also spurred to try out a drop bar mtb build after reading threads here. I spent a while searching for the right stem, but finally decided to get a custom one made for my Monster Fat at Winter Cycles. I've been really happy with the Salsa Woodchipper bars. For what it's worth, here's the link and a couple pictures!

    Entire thread: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=598337

    "Finished product" post: http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?...8&postcount=70
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    I think this has been posted before:

    http://socketsetcycles.blogspot.com/...ustom-219.html

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    Still dunno what to do, maybe I'll go for 26x1.15 or 700x23. Also about the brake, I don't know if V-brake would fit with roadbike levers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackspade
    Still dunno what to do, maybe I'll go for 26x1.15 or 700x23. Also about the brake, I don't know if V-brake would fit with roadbike levers.
    The only real issue is cable pull. With regular road brake levers, you'd need to either use cantis, or you could add "Travel Agents," to work with V-brakes (they have a little "gearing" system that increases the cable pull).
    http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...ls.php?id=6361

    Cane Creek also makes a road lever that pulls enough cable to work with V-brakes:
    http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...5&category=669.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackspade




    Still dunno what to do...
    I'm not sure what you're aiming for, but maybe compare how your bars are set up currently to how all the other bars in this thread so far are set up. Also maybe take a peek at some of the other links in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IF52
    I'm not sure what you're aiming for, but maybe compare how your bars are set up currently to how all the other bars in this thread so far are set up. Also maybe take a peek at some of the other links in this thread.
    ....except for that Litespeed

    Get yourselves some stems with rise, gentlemen!

    And BP---that is super sweet. Still a big fan of the saddle-included fade.
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    Factory Dirt Drop circa 1987.

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    If any of those sets are up for grabs let me know!
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    I wish. Those are just pretty photo's I borrowed from the bay that give a pretty good close up for someone who has never used them before.
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    Jackie was sponsored by columbus.. wht part of that cunningham was columbus? aluminum tubes?
    btw... interesting build w/ RS there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemmer
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    That Litespeed is my ride, I come from a road background but have been racing off-road since 1987. It gets kinda hairy on drop-offs but it's awesome for downhills. Check out early pics of Tomac on his drop bar Yeti & you can see the road influence.

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    Wow Aemmer, you weren't kidding! Tons of good stuff piling in.
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    Retro Dude,

    JT was kind of the exception, I think, to typical bar setup. He wanted his mtn and road bike to have identical setup so he could comfortable switch from one to the other throughout the season. I think for anybody who wants to try drops offroad but hasn't yet, the majority of the examples in the thread so far are a better guide than Tomac's setup. Besides, I think his setup was closer to the bridgestone than to yours.
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    www.retrobike.co.uk/?p=122

    There's a nice shot of Tomac's C26 at the link above. More aggressive than the typical set up, but Tomac is Tomac!
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    IF52,

    Agreed, riding drops set up for road for the first time off-road is not for the faint of heart. I get some looks as I pass people in tight twisty single track.

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    Drop Bars+Their History in Mt Bike Lore

    Pretty much all our riding in the heady days before bikes w slashes through them decorated our dirt paths here in the S Bay region were dominated by the "Goat Horn" bars....

    http://www.bayareabikehub.com/rides/...ange_slide.htm

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    Agreed, riding drops set up for road for the first time off-road is not for the faint of heart. I get some looks as I pass people in tight twisty single track.

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    Nothing fancy, but it does its job very well. Those are studded tires under the coating of snow.

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    Allard- what frame is that? Love the brakes.
    These enormously tall stems always look scary to me. How do they hold up under long-term off-road abuse? Are they flexy?
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    The frame is a Specialized S-Works steel frame from '93/'94. I had it refinished so any rust would be treated the inside is treated with J.P. Weigles frame saver. The brakes are IRD (Interloc Racing Design) Widget's. I bought them back in the day ('94) directly from Rod after extensive emailing (!). They took for ever to come across the pond and came with catalogs, stickers and a Rocketboy inc T-shirt (Which i do not have anymore, wore it to pieces). They work perfectly and are very strong!
    The stem is a bit flexy, but that makes for a very comfortable ride. The best i have ever had!

    I use the bike around 3 times a week and is fitted now with Tom Slicks 26"x1" for road use. The chainring i use is the 40 teeth one.

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    27 years of dirt drops

    #7 cunningham, cinellis with superbe levers and suntour barcons. #C 'ham,same setup. both bars were flaired and spread. willits 29"er, salsa bell lap bars with shimano STI and interupters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by den haag
    #7 cunningham, cinellis with superbe levers and suntour barcons. #C 'ham,same setup. both bars were flaired and spread. willits 29"er, salsa bell lap bars with shimano STI and interupters.
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    i still have #7, although i'm restoring it to it's original glory, including the clampon bullmoose bars. they have downtube shifters brazed on top. and the willits was made custom for me, so it'll never go away. did you notice the dettos in the top pic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by den haag
    i still have #7, although i'm restoring it to it's original glory, including the clampon bullmoose bars. they have downtube shifters brazed on top. and the willits was made custom for me, so it'll never go away. did you notice the dettos in the top pic?

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    Must read for anyone contemplating dirt drops

    Matt Chester's blog.. a piece on dirt drops: Functionality As Inspiration... akin to Nichols' write up on frame materials. There's 3 parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmitty
    Matt Chester's blog.. a piece on dirt drops: http://5metresofdevelopment.blogspot.com/

    Thanks for that!!

    And for sure, that Overbury's is a super sweet addition to this thread!
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    It's got drops again! My DeKerf Mountain, as set up for cyclocross:





    Bars have to come up a bit, it's about 3/4" lower than my road position which doesn't allow me to use the drops and is a bit uncomfy for rides longer than a cross race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    i got one..
    Hey Colker1, on post number 24, what handlebar and stem are you using? Thanks.

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    Where do you guys get the 1" threaded stems that large? Best I got was a Nashbar 130mm 70deg rise (I think) and that did not do much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by safariofthemind
    Hey Colker1, on post number 24, what handlebar and stem are you using? Thanks.
    if my merory is still clear it's an SR stem and a midge handlebar. the sr didn't have enough extension so now it has a nitto dirt drop
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pink57
    Where do you guys get the 1" threaded stems that large? Best I got was a Nashbar 130mm 70deg rise (I think) and that did not do much.

    1. There are several lower end bikes from the threaded era that came with stems promoting upright handlebars.

    2. Salsa P10, P7.

    3. WTB, Cunningham, Potts, Ibis etc. LD Style stem.

    4. Nitto Dirt drop

    5. Custom stem builders.

    To keep the price in check and acquire a vintage style stem, I would suggest checking Rivendell's site for a Nitto Dirt Drop, or Bens on the bay. If perfect fit is more important than price or vintage, go custom. If you want to hang out with the really cool people, plan on spending a year or two searching and dropping close to a half a grand for the whatever size is available when it finally comes up LD. I believe someone here on the forum sold a stylin Salsa P10 for a couple of bennies two weeks ago on the bay.

    All the above is just my opinion and fun rambling. In all reality, owning an LD is not an invitation to hang out with the cool people. I am still here with the geeks.

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    Thanks for the info Aemmer and style is not as important to me as a ok fit. I do have an adapter on their now to use a 1 1/8 stem but even a 130mm seems a bit cramped. The bike might be just too small.

    It's a 15.5 I believe and I got it when I was 12 yrs old (NO RUST!)
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    Nice splatter paint
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    Good job! Drop Bar Monstercross

    Excellent thread. The Phelan shots I haven't seen on the net ever (Rock Shox drop bar competition bike)

    Thought I'd add a few modern monstercross, stemming from John Tomac's Yeti drop bar thrasher with the Tioga rear disc to Cunningham's aluminum swan neck drop bar to Singular UK's do-it-all. I remember seeing the Peregrine a few years ago and thought - WOW! - that's how a drop bar monstercross bike is done. It helps that the guy that runs singular knows how to dress up a bike, too! Almost pulled the trigger but had a jones' for aerospace titanium. Below are some shots from the collection I amassed from MTBR forums over the years, the Amaro ti is an instant classic, and the Japanese-boutique lugged steel fixie with front hub brake on 2.3 Exiwolf's got me good. Enjoi.

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    Nice.
    I really like the idea of a monstercross bike. With the popularity of rigid 29ers, I'm surprised so many are going for the suspension corrected mtb 29er frames and fugly suspension corrected rigid forks, rather than a much more elegant monstercross setup.
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    Matt Chester article on set-up: http://www.63xc.com/mattc/midge.htm

    Also, I need ONE WTB shifter mount. If anybody has ONE, I will trade a complete set of Kelly Take-Offs

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    Nice Kleiningham Joe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel
    Matt Chester article on set-up: http://www.63xc.com/mattc/midge.htm
    Newer stuff here:
    http://5metresofdevelopment.blogspot...on-part-i.html

    A modern threadless example:
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    ...nothing beats the ride of a bridgestone

    tires, seat and pedals are subject to frequent change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rigidftw
    tires, seat and pedals are subject to frequent change.
    Nice.

    This is really inspired me to use V-brake and road bike brake lever.

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    Also sporting one of my favorite saddles!
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    Quote Originally Posted by l-s-d
    A modern threadless example:
    Another:



    And my modern threaded example:

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackspade
    Nice.

    This is really inspired me to use V-brake and road bike brake lever.
    thx. but those road bike brake levers are cyclocross v-brake levers. tektro rl520.

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    Not VRC, but another Singular Peregrine.

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    Beautiful. Such a great selection of vintage dirt drops. Never knew about the Bridgestone!
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    Diamondback Overdrive

    Just built this up before Christmas! The bars are Salsa woodchippers, and with barend shifiters, they keep hitting my legs in tight turns. Ghost shifting is not cool!
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    I've always liked Drops, and the Merlin I've recently purchased lent itself to a drop approach. Being its top tube a tad short for me, I thought it would have been a perfect occasion to mount my Specy drop bar using a longer stem. I tried with a Girvin stem (see in the first pic), but couldn't manage to get a properly comfortable position with my hands on the drops.

    The Nitto Moustache bar, similar to the on one Midge, has made a world of difference. The grip on the drops is very comfortable and offers perfect pedaling efficiency, so much that I'm thinking of adopting the bars for my racing 29er too. Magura brakes help a lot, since being able to stop the bike using one finger only is important when you ride on a rigid fork. Just remember that moustache bars require a much shorter stem. To get the best position I had to use a 90 mm stem (I used a 120mm Flexstem with my Specy drops)
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    Just came across this stem. Not vintage, but certainly unique.

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    that would be perfect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by even
    The Nitto Moustache bar, similar to the on one Midge, has made a world of difference. The grip on the drops is very comfortable and offers perfect pedaling efficiency, so much that I'm thinking of adopting the bars for my racing 29er too. Magura brakes help a lot, since being able to stop the bike using one finger only is important when you ride on a rigid fork. Just remember that moustache bars require a much shorter stem. To get the best position I had to use a 90 mm stem (I used a 120mm Flexstem with my Specy drops)
    Did you know the moustache bar was originally developed for use off road? Waaay back when I was a kid I remember Gene Opperpillar (sp?) of Bridgestone (later Bianchi) fame testing the bars at local races. We're talking 1990-1991. He'd eventually win the Chequamegon 40 on a set with a Softride stem for suspension. So yeah...try it. I personally had a set once, didn't work for the riding I did, but could see how they could.

    What do you think of the Magura brakes vs V's? I found a set of the drop levers and canti's a year ago. Building a custom monster cross frame and brakes I've been debating on Cane Creek's, Avid Ultimate's, and Paul's Motolite's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by even
    I've always like Drops, and the Merlin I recently purchased lent itself to a drop approach. Being its top tube a tad short for me, I thought it would have been a perfect occasion to mount my Specy drop bar using a longer stem. I tried with a Girvin stem (see in the first pic), but couldn't manage to get a properly comfortable position with my hands on the drops.

    The Nitto Moustache bar, similar to the on one Midge, has made a world of difference. The grip on the drops is very comfortable and offers perfect pedaling efficiency, so much that I'm thinking of adopting the bars for my racing 29er too. Magura brakes help a lot, since being able to stop the bike using one finger only is important when you ride on a rigid fork. Just remember that moustache bars require a much shorter stem. To get the best position I had to use a 90 mm stem (I used a 120mm Flexstem with my Specy drops)
    why didn't you try the normal dirt drop bar with the 90mm stem. could have done the trick...

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    No, the normal drop .. well ... drops too much... this Nitto is just perfect. I've also found thet the control while downhilling is better, but that might be due to the better position.

    Maguras, in comparison with vees, are much more comfortable, being the effort at the lever near to zero. One finger braking is possible, and this allows better control. Vbrakes would be lighter, tho, and even nicer if you chose a cool pair. I don't know...

    The only thing is that Maguras are so hard to find...

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    Nothing elaborate - in fact down right bottom of the barrel Trek 800 Antelope. Converted to be an on road touring rig and also off road machine to take my son and I camping next summer.


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    Another 'bare-bones' type build, a 1988 Stumpjumper Comp. There is a lot of corrosive salt used here in New England and I didn't want to worry about ruining anything, so I just hung a bunch of old parts on it so I could ride. The stem is deliberately short on reach, I don't like being too far out over the front wheel in the snow. It works great as-is, but I think a setback seatpost would make it 'just right' for my long arms and legs. 2.25's in back are a tight fit....


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    I know, it's not VRC.
    My attempt, Explosif with Woodchipper

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    Nowhereman, What kind of stem is that? Can't read it.
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    It looks a little like the "Dimensions" riser stem I got for cheap from my LBS. It's not a bad stem either. Mine was in the 160g range IIRC.

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    Yes, it's a Dimension stem. Though it's cheap but it's surprisingly well built and finished.
    I dont know about the longevity, time will tell.

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    Hi, This is my first or second post on this forum, but I have been reading it for years and it has been great inspiration. thank you all. Here is my MB-1 1989.



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    Nice MB-1! .....might be the angle but your front fork looks kind of bent?
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    Thanks! I did not notice but it does look weird in the photo. I just check and the fork seems straight. Will do more investigation.
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    [QUOTE=Machianera]Hi, This is my first or second post on this forum, but I have been reading it for years and it has been great inspiration. thank you all. Here is my MB-1 1989 last week at Cunningham Park in nyc.

    That looks great. Did you get an answer to your drop bar swap?
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    It's a Koski fork and it sure looks to be bent to me.

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    Yes the fork is bent. Not as much as the photo may suggest, but it is. Never occurred to me since the bike handles fine no hands. EDIT I just scored the same fork on CL and about to mount it!

    YETIFIED: no answer on drop bar trade.
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    is there a bridgestone gallery on here yet?

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    Might as well add my Bontrager with RM-3 Ibis bend bars to the thread, although it no longer has drop bars on it. I couldn't get them high enough and never liked the way it looked or rode, so I switched back to flat bars. Personally, I think drop bars only look good on sloping tube frames, probably because the first MTB's I remember with drops were Cunninghams, JP's mainly. In any case:


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    the bars on the rock lobster are the wtb-logo only variety 25.4 clamp.

    the surly has the specialized rm-2 / wtb logo variety 26.0 clamp. the surly is also equipped with a set of old wtb thumbshifter mounts.

    both feature velox plugs. natch.
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    CX is kind of offroad too, I guess:





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    Quote Originally Posted by nowhereman
    Yes, it's a Dimension stem. Though it's cheap but it's surprisingly well built and finished.
    I dont know about the longevity, time will tell.
    Surprisingly....cheap lol

    Just went to their web site.

    http://www.dimensionbikeproducts.com/cpsc.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by modifier
    "There has been one report of a handlebar stem breaking that resulted in minor abrasions and bruises to the rider"

    That's it? I think you frighten too easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailville
    "There has been one report of a handlebar stem breaking that resulted in minor abrasions and bruises to the rider"

    That's it? I think you frighten too easy.

    LOL I think that I've had similar injuries on nearly every bike that I've ever owned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailville
    "There has been one report of a handlebar stem breaking that resulted in minor abrasions and bruises to the rider"

    That's it? I think you frighten too easy.
    Oh I guess I read it wrong. I thought they were recalling 18,000 stems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike
    add one.
    Stubby LD there G. You have some nice Dirt drop setups. I think it was a picture of your Salsa and ER's Otis together that first got me motivated to try putting together my own Dirt Drop ride. Made it all that much better when I recently got to see your Salsa at Keyesville.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike
    add one.
    classy. i just love those old ibis.
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    Wow, four great looking bikes. Lots of rollercams there Aemmer, I love it!

    Looking through the pages, the LD stems make DD builds look 'right' every time. Other stems certainly get the job done, but to my noobish eye, none quite pull it off with the same grace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike
    add one.

    Show off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shogun700
    Wow, four great looking bikes. Lots of rollercams there Aemmer, I love it!

    Looking through the pages, the LD stems make DD builds look 'right' every time. Other stems certainly get the job done, but to my noobish eye, none quite pull it off with the same grace.

    You've got a great noobish eye then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    You've got a great noobish eye then.
    Thanks. It creates a problem when what looks right is pretty much unavailable. Every time I look a these stems I start to wonder what it would take to build one-I assume it's not as straightforward as it looks. I work in a shop that makes all kinds of things-engines, carburetors, 2-stroke exhaust systems...and tube chassis made with small diameter chromoly. We can bend, cut and weld pretty much anything, but unfortunately (for this anyway) my job is in the horsepower department, and I don't weld. It's one thing to get one of my coworkers to weld something for me, but another thing entirely to ask them to help me create something essentially from scratch. Plus, copying someone else's idea sucks.
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    Does anyone ave any tips to share about where to order good drop bar stems these days?

    I know there are lots of places to get Nitto DirtDrop & Periscopa quill models. Ebay is a pain in the pants for good vintage ones. And most of the builders who've made the nicer work in this thread that are built in this decade are now too busy for stems without an accompanying frame order.

    The "modern" stem offerings are upsetting. Time was when you could get a huge variety of reach and rise options at most bike shops. These days everything is 0deg or 5deg, and you're expected to run the thing up a flagpole made of spacers if you want your bars higher. (Or put one of those adjustable monstrosities on.) There are more off-roadable bars available than ever before, but without a fork with a 3 foot A-to-C pushing your front end up in the air there are no stems to run them.

    So ... who's the "new old-Salsa" of stem building?
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    These look worthwhile, if you can find one:

    http://www.bti-usa.com/voodoo/bicycles/nakisistem

    I've been using the Profile "Boa" stems on several of my bikes where I need to get the bars way up there. They're ugly, fairly heavy, and really inexpensive. Oh, well! Better than adjustables, anyway.

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    That's got the reach/rise, but the dumb handlebar size. (At least it's bigger so it could be shimmed.)

    Can it be run on a 1" steerer with a shim, or is the clamp too funky? I regularly run 1-1/8" stems on 1" steers with shims to adapt, but I'll only do so if the binder arrangement is a "normal" pinch that generates enough clamping force. There's a lot going on there with that Voodoo ... anyone run one on a 1" steerer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jak0zilla
    Does anyone ave any tips to share about where to order good drop bar stems these days?

    I know there are lots of places to get Nitto DirtDrop & Periscopa quill models. Ebay is a pain in the pants for good vintage ones. And most of the builders who've made the nicer work in this thread that are built in this decade are now too busy for stems without an accompanying frame order.

    The "modern" stem offerings are upsetting. Time was when you could get a huge variety of reach and rise options at most bike shops. These days everything is 0deg or 5deg, and you're expected to run the thing up a flagpole made of spacers if you want your bars higher. (Or put one of those adjustable monstrosities on.) There are more off-roadable bars available than ever before, but without a fork with a 3 foot A-to-C pushing your front end up in the air there are no stems to run them.

    So ... who's the "new old-Salsa" of stem building?

    The only production stem <45deg is the Nakisi. opps... too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jak0zilla
    Does anyone ave any tips to share about where to order good drop bar stems these days?

    I know there are lots of places to get Nitto DirtDrop & Periscopa quill models. Ebay is a pain in the pants for good vintage ones. And most of the builders who've made the nicer work in this thread that are built in this decade are now too busy for stems without an accompanying frame order.

    The "modern" stem offerings are upsetting. Time was when you could get a huge variety of reach and rise options at most bike shops. These days everything is 0deg or 5deg, and you're expected to run the thing up a flagpole made of spacers if you want your bars higher. (Or put one of those adjustable monstrosities on.) There are more off-roadable bars available than ever before, but without a fork with a 3 foot A-to-C pushing your front end up in the air there are no stems to run them.

    So ... who's the "new old-Salsa" of stem building?

    The only production stem <45deg is the Nakisi...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ong
    These look worthwhile, if you can find one:

    http://www.bti-usa.com/voodoo/bicycles/nakisistem

    I've been using the Profile "Boa" stems on several of my bikes where I need to get the bars way up there. They're ugly, fairly heavy, and really inexpensive. Oh, well! Better than adjustables, anyway.
    I just got one of the VooDoo stems recently from Bikeman. As the photo indicates it comes without the stem bolt or the pinch bolt. Kind of strange. It also took about a month to get to me. Fortunately I wasn't in a hurry.

    Also Profile Design makes a quill style to clamp style stem adapter in both 1" to 1 1/8" and 1 1/8" straight. If you take the top cap and machine it down to 1 1/8th it works as a stub for the above stem. Or leave the cap on and use it to mount modern stems to 1" threaded steertubes.
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    suntour shifter options for drop bars

    I have a bike that I have been slowly converting to drop bars. I have the stem/bar/brake lever position pretty much dialed, but I was hoping for input from anyone with experience pros or cons. The drivetrain is full 7sp XC Pro. Options:

    1. Barons. Probably the cheapest and easiest to find, but I'd rather have the shifters closer to the brake levers.

    2. Kelly Takeoff with road shifters. Not too expensive and fairly easy to source, but I've heard mixed reviews relating to positioning and I couldn't find anyone that had used them on dirt drop bars.

    3. Suntour command shifters. Harder to find and a little more spendy. How well do they work with dirt drops?

    4. Is there any way to mount Suntour thumbs to a WTB mount, or are they Shimano specific?
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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy View Post
    I have a bike that I have been slowly converting to drop bars. I have the stem/bar/brake lever position pretty much dialed, but I was hoping for input from anyone with experience pros or cons. The drivetrain is full 7sp XC Pro. Options:

    1. Barons. Probably the cheapest and easiest to find, but I'd rather have the shifters closer to the brake levers.

    2. Kelly Takeoff with road shifters. Not too expensive and fairly easy to source, but I've heard mixed reviews relating to positioning and I couldn't find anyone that had used them on dirt drop bars.

    3. Suntour command shifters. Harder to find and a little more spendy. How well do they work with dirt drops?

    4. Is there any way to mount Suntour thumbs to a WTB mount, or are they Shimano specific?
    they're Shimano specific. Suntour's indexed barcons would be cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singletracktourist View Post
    they're Shimano specific. Suntour's indexed barcons would be cool.
    I have a Suntour set.

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    Maybe the Velo Orange/ Rivendell friction barcon set up.
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    Seeing that the WTB's and DKG's are darn near impossible to find unless you're "in the loop", the Kelly's are questionable, DC is not mass producing his, the Suntour Commands are just plain weird and bar ends are, well, barends. What are the options? It would seem like such a simple item to produce. Shimano and Suntour compatible please.
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    Barcons aren't that bad. The Suntour ones are really rugged...unless you round the bolts cuz you forget to go lefty tighty and righty loosey.

    As for the WTB/DKG mounts, I don't think you exactly have to be in the loop. You either have to shell out some real dough like the ones that sold on ebay tonight or you have to luck into them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Barcons aren't that bad. The Suntour ones are really rugged...unless you round the bolts cuz you forget to go lefty tighty and righty loosey on one side.
    Don't get me wrong G. I love Barcons and own many sets but I want to be one of the cool kids like you.

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    I'm not one of the cool kids! I lucked out location wise. Come out for a visit Jeff, I'll buy you a beer!

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    Holding your own in this testosterone laden soup called the VRC forum gives you double cool points. I'll be out visiting family in August and take you up on that beer. Beer and bikes.
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    There was a set of WTB's on the bay a couple of weeks ago with a $275 BIN. They did not sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy View Post
    2. Kelly Takeoff with road shifters. Not too expensive and fairly easy to source, but I've heard mixed reviews relating to positioning and I couldn't find anyone that had used them on dirt drop bars.
    I've run the Kelly's on my Phoenix since new in '98 and I'd say I'm generally happy. My setup is with 8sp Shimano downtube shifters.

    Positives:
    - Works with any recent generation of Shimano downtube OR BARCON shifters -- 8, 9 or 10sp. If I was to re-do this, I'd probalby try try the Barcons as their larger size and rubber hoods might be more finger-friendly.
    - MUCH more inexpensive/available than the various WTB and DKG variants.

    Negatives:
    - Mounting position of the shifter onto the mount doesn't have the adjustability of the WTB/DKG options.
    - Shifter is a little further from the bar than WTB/DKG and probably lends itself more to someone with large hands and/or long fingers.
    - Not really "vintage correct" on anything older than '97 or so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig View Post
    I have a Suntour set.
    pics please.

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    I like barcons best but depends on the bars you use.
    If they are very flared like the old wtb, the wtb mounts or kelly may be better.
    If the bars have less flare and shorter ends then I would use barcons.

    I like the old metal suntour w ratcheting, they work very well. Dont like shimano, silver etc.. bc theway they look
    The old campagnolo bar ends shift the best and are more precise.

    But none of the above are index!

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    Suntour are indexing.
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    The bars I'm using are the WTB/Specialized RM2. I don't have a lot of experience for comparison, but they seem to have quite a bit of flair.

    Shifters will be indexed, regardless of location.
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    should have sold a child and bought those shifter mounts 2 nights ago! Barcons do great until you luck into a dkg/wtb set. truusttt meeeee

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    should have sold a child and bought those shifter mounts 2 nights ago! Barcons do great until you luck into a dkg/wtb set. truusttt meeeee
    Was watching those. Like everyone else here was I'm sure. But the cheap bastard in me wouldn't let me pay for them. Plus there's the Suntour aspect complicating things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemmer View Post
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    Converting the Gecko. Had been thinking about it for a while, just finally got around to getting the parts together.
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    3. Suntour command shifters. Harder to find and a little more spendy. How well do they work with dirt drops?
    My local shop has probably 5 sets of these if you want to go that route.
    They're interesting. I never really liked them on drops but they're fun on the end of bullhorn bars or TT aero bars.
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    Came across this yesterday. Clockwork Bikes is making "LD" style stems. I guess they are going for about $250.00 each, and there are options for face plate or not. See a Flickr pic of one here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/2887955...in/photostream

    Looks perfect for a retro-fit.
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    Hey GT,

    we've talked about it a couple times in here. Tried to get him to do a 1" headtube one but no luck, I believe. The thread was locked.

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    I also inquired about him doing a 1" girth LD and he suggested using a shim.
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    He's listening though. I'm sure if he received enough commitments he would make a run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Hey GT,

    we've talked about it a couple times in here. Tried to get him to do a 1" headtube one but no luck, I believe. The thread was locked.
    Sorry. Didn't realize that.

    I don't see a problem using a shim, but I understand not everyone will see that as being "proper". That's cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Sorry. Didn't realize that.

    I don't see a problem using a shim, but I understand not everyone will see that as being "proper". That's cool.
    Actually, I don't mind the shim at all. My 1" uses a shim. I don't really like the bolt on top and also the reach is a little long for me.

    Thanks for the heads up though. I didn't mean to imply that it wasn't a good lead on an altogether too rare part.

    Edit: he said he could make it without the hole in the framebuilding LD stem thread. That's great!
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    while on the subject, does anyone know a quill stem for a 1 1/8 steerer with 26mm bar clamp? Looking at the Nitto dirt drops but not shure if the quill diameter works, any other options?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stylus View Post
    while on the subject, does anyone know a quill stem for a 1 1/8 steerer with 26mm bar clamp? Looking at the Nitto dirt drops but not shure if the quill diameter works, any other options?
    I've never seen Dirt Drop stems in anything but 1"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stylus View Post
    while on the subject, does anyone know a quill stem for a 1 1/8 steerer with 26mm bar clamp? Looking at the Nitto dirt drops but not shure if the quill diameter works, any other options?
    Something like this: https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/images/p...s-img20442.jpg

    Plus this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/288795...in/photostream

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork Bikes View Post
    Hard to tell from the photo, but it looks like the "cap" on that Profile adapter is just part of the single machined piece?... and wouldn't allow your LD to slide over the top of it. Perhaps you should look at the Kalloy's or, better still, the Nitto's:

    https://www.benscycle.net/index.php?...ducts_id=10278
    https://www.benscycle.net/index.php?...ducts_id=10277
    https://www.benscycle.net/index.php?...oducts_id=7559
    https://www.benscycle.net/index.php?...oducts_id=7454

    But, while we've got you here, a few questions on your new stem:
    - Custom sizes? If not, what's the stock rise/reach?
    - Can a customer specify bar clamp size or would you just tell them to shim down from the presumably 31.8mm?
    - Would you leave off the hole/setup for the Aheadset bolt if the customer was going to use it with one of these adapters?
    - What's the radius of the bend you're using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by halaburt View Post
    Hard to tell from the photo, but it looks like the "cap" on that Profile adapter is just part of the single machined piece?... and wouldn't allow your LD to slide over the top of it. Perhaps you should look at the Kalloy's or, better still, the Nitto's:

    http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?m...ducts_id=10278
    http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?m...ducts_id=10277
    http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?m...oducts_id=7559
    http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?m...oducts_id=7454

    But, while we've got you here, a few questions on your new stem:
    - Custom sizes? If not, what's the stock rise/reach?
    - Can a customer specify bar clamp size or would you just tell them to shim down from the presumably 31.8mm?
    - Would you leave off the hole/setup for the Aheadset bolt if the customer was going to use it with one of these adapters?
    - What's the radius of the bend you're using?
    1. All are custom reach and rise. Min. 120 rise for average reaches.
    2. Bar clamps can be 25.4, 26.0, or 31.8 and you may choose 1 or 2-bolt clamp.
    3. Compression bolt hole may be omitted.
    4. It was bent with a 3" c.l.r. tool but it's actually a little more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stylus View Post
    while on the subject, does anyone know a quill stem for a 1 1/8 steerer with 26mm bar clamp? Looking at the Nitto dirt drops but not shure if the quill diameter works, any other options?

    They aren't as tall as a dirt drop, but the nitto mt-11 is the best looking mtb stem ever, in my opinion. And they're only available in 1 1/8" quill. Also available from Ben's, in various extensions:

    http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?m...ducts_id=12318
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork Bikes View Post
    1. All are custom reach and rise. Min. 120 rise for average reaches.
    2. Bar clamps can be 25.4, 26.0, or 31.8 and you may choose 1 or 2-bolt clamp.
    3. Compression bolt hole may be omitted.
    4. It was bent with a 3" c.l.r. tool but it's actually a little more.

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    I just finished a review of the RM-013 and the RM-014 at biketouringnews dot com. You might have to search for dirt drop if the post is no longer sticky (can't put a link here)

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    Looks like the guys across the pond have a similar thread going.

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    Looks like the guys across the pond have a similar thread going.

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    some there are against drop bars based on aesthethic issues.. well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    some there are against drop bars based on aesthethic issues.. well.
    Funny, I like drops more for the way they look than perform.
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    I like off road drops for the way they look AND the way they perform!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    I like off road drops for the way they look AND the way they perform!
    OR D bars gives a very diff feeling from the bike. I like them a lot. Handling and comfort are great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    OR D bars gives a very diff feeling from the bike. I like them a lot. Handling and comfort are great.
    Ya. Gets you a bit deeper into the bike. I really feel connected when I'm riding drops, though I find you need to put in a bit more effort to get the front end up if you're spending a lot of time with both wheels off the ground.
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    I forgot about this thread. Here's my latest build, seen elsewhere but it belongs here too.

    '96ish Phoenix with WTB RM-2 bars (and yeah I know I need to lower the levers)




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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Ya. Gets you a bit deeper into the bike. I really feel connected when I'm riding drops, though I find you need to put in a bit more effort to get the front end up if you're spending a lot of time with both wheels off the ground.

    same here: lifting the front wheel requires attention. everything else is easier on drop bars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Anomie- View Post
    I forgot about this thread. Here's my latest build, seen elsewhere but it belongs here too.

    '96ish Phoenix with WTB RM-2 bars (and yeah I know I need to lower the levers)



    Beautiful bike. I need a B52 like yours....

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    I got lucky on that, I just happened to walk into Pacific Coast Cycles right after Chuck got that B-52 from another customer. He offered, I bought without even thinking about it, since that's the only one I've ever found for sale. I'll let you know if he gets another one, PCC is kind of a magnet for stuff like that.

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    Great thread.

    As soon as I post 6 more times I can show you my 88 Fisher Procaliber SS with drops.

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    OK, now I can post it. 88 Fisher Procaliber now SS path and trail bomber.






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    Quote Originally Posted by RFC View Post
    OK, now I can post it. 88 Fisher Procaliber now SS path and trail bomber.

    Absolutely beautiful bike. Man, that is a long stem though. How big is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2 View Post
    Absolutely beautiful bike. Man, that is a long stem though. How big is it?
    Yes, it is one damn long stem -- 150mm

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    Drop bar MB-1

    After a year and a half of tinkering and trying different configurations, I finally got this build the way I like it. Here are a couple of drop bar-related shots. I'll try to post more photos in the Official Bidgestone Thread - just as soon as I can find it (hint, hint...)

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    - 1993 Bridgestone MB-1 frame, 52cm.
    - Nitto Dirt Drop stem (designed by Grant Peterson, specifically for the '87 MB-1), and...
    - NOS 3TTT WB-1 dirt drop bars.
    - Suntour Command Shifters, to go with...
    - Full XC-pro drivetrain + hubs, bottom bracket and headset.
    - Dia Compe 287-Vs were the most comfortable non-plastic levers I could find, so...
    - Shimano XT V-brakes (kind of out of place, but worked with the levers).
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamkeith View Post
    After a year and a half of tinkering and trying different configurations, I finally got this build the way I like it. Here are a couple of drop bar-related shots. I'll try to post more photos in the Official Bidgestone Thread - just as soon as I can find it (hint, hint...)

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    - 1993 Bridgestone MB-1 frame, 52cm.
    - Nitto Dirt Drop stem (designed by Grant Peterson, specifically for the '87 MB-1), and...
    - NOS 3TTT WB-1 dirt drop bars.
    - Suntour Command Shifters, to go with...
    - Full XC-pro drivetrain + hubs, bottom bracket and headset.
    - Dia Compe 287-Vs were the most comfortable non-plastic levers I could find, so...
    - Shimano XT V-brakes (kind of out of place, but worked with the levers).
    it needs canti brakes!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    it needs canti brakes!!
    I know, I know. I'm sensitive about that fact, too, which is why I tried to rationalize my decision in the description. I was hoping the fact that they're the correct finish would make the V-brakes less obvious - but no such luck, I guess. It's amazing how hard it is to find comfortable non-V brake levers that aren't plastic ("resin"). I'd be grateful for any suggestions.

    I'm hoarding a set of the factory correct Dia Compe 987 brakes for when I figure it out. The suntour headset has a taller stack-height than the original, so I'm going to need to figure out something for a hanger, too...

    In the meantime, I plan to ride the bike hard, so brakes is brakes in some ways...

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamkeith View Post
    It's amazing how hard it is to find comfortable non-V brake levers that aren't plastic ("resin"). I'd be grateful for any suggestions.


    Almost all road levers are non-V. There's dozens of choices.
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    I really like the 987s i have been using for like 17yrs.. Grab a pair of cane creek drop bar levers (non V). If you can't find vintage stuff, shimano, campy, mavic, modolo, go to rivbike.com and chose from whatever they have there. Or velo orange.
    You've got a very nice bike. Those V brakes there are just wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne View Post


    Almost all road levers are non-V. There's dozens of choices.
    I guess I should clarify:

    Levers that :

    1. Look appropriate for a vintage build - ie: silver levers and, did I mention, non-plastic bodies? (pretty much rules out anything current from Tektro/Cane Creek, Shimano, or Sram.) But maybe what I'm hearing is that v-brakes stick out worse than modern-shaped, plastic levers...

    2. Have big enough hoods to comfortably hold and use as an alternate hand position, for someone with man-hands. (pretty much rules out anything more than 15 years old and, therefore, most non-aero levers.) I know this isn't the way dirt-drop setups were historically used, but it's hard to give this option up once you get used to it. Just reduces fatigue, and is nice for climbing...

    3. Have a smooth, quality feel to the action, and a graceful, ergonomic shape to the levers. (pretty much rules out things like the other still-available lower-end dia compes - at least I can find) I know this is subjective though...

    You may be right, but I honestly can't find something I like. Any specific suggestions? I'd love a set of vintage Aero Gran Compes, but they're hard to come by. This is the kind of nit-picky, self-imposed challenge that's caused me to take a year and a half to put this thing together in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    I really like the 987s i have been using for like 17yrs.. Grab a pair of cane creek drop bar levers (non V). If you can't find vintage stuff, shimano, campy, mavic, modolo, go to rivbike.com and chose from whatever they have there. Or velo orange.
    You've got a very nice bike. Those V brakes there are just wrong.
    Actually, check this out: I just posted pictures of another build (I've been busy this Fall) on another thread in another forum, where I did use some of the new Tektro (TRP) levers that I got from Riv., of all places. It's sort of VRC and drop-bar related, but I didn't try as hard to stay aestheticallly/period-correct I just built it with parts I that wanted and/or that I had on hand. Old Ibis. But DAMN, those TRP levers are comfortable - funny looking or not!!!!

    link to post

    This is what I like about this VRC forum: No shortage of people willing to share first impressions and good opinions! I guess I have my directive for the MB-1....
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    nice mb-1.
    I'm planning a very similar conversion with my '91 mb-1. but I'll be using an on one midge bar, modern road bike brake levers and ultegra 8speed barcons.

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    That MB1 is amazing. It affects me in a way that I'm not even comfortable with. In fact, I have some dirt drops just sitting around and you've just inspired me to put them on something!

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    I may be the only one...but I like the V brakes. I'll try to take a close up of the cable hanger used to solve your problem if you go to canti brakes...It will mount in the front fork crown hole.

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    Hange it like this...[IMGhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Zm1PDeVYvwI/Tig7v_J8VQI/AAAAAAAAJcA/NOrpw1bhK80/s400/HPIM2578.JPG[/IMG]

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    those tires are crap and the front brake isn't working as i would like it to, but otherwise it's just magnificent.

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    Sorry for the road tires but it's road season for me now... coming spring it will get it's proper tires again!

    The frame and fork are Klein Pinnacle from '88 or '89 It came with a beat-up non Klein paintjob so i was comfortable in having it stripped to raw aluminium.
    The brakes are a combination of IRD Switchback and Rotary and it also has an IRD seatpost. The rest is Deore XT with a Nitto dirtdrop stem. I went with STI's because barcons suck and WTB / DKG brackets are impossible to find. It's a rider so ergonomics are all important!



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    Nice set up. I know its a winter rider right now...but skin wall knobbies and a Turbo or Ti Flite!

    I ran STI's on my first drop bar bike too. Works great.
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    Nice setup!

    Its probably the photo but something about that fork doesn't look right
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    The forks are original Spinners for Klein and yes compared to the large frame and it's fat tubes they look very thin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allard View Post
    The frame and fork are Klein Pinnacle from '88 or '89 It came with a beat-up non Klein paintjob so i was comfortable in having it stripped to raw aluminium.
    No paint looks nice! A good friend of mine bought a Klein in about '87, couldn't stomach their hideous paint jobs, and talked them into giving it to him un-painted. So it was actually a "factory option" of sorts. Here's a cropped shot of that bike that I found recently, from our first bike trip to Moab circa '88. I seem to recall being able to see grade markings on the tubing - from ALCOA perhaps? Kind of off-topic, but thought you'd be interested...

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    Anyone make anything close to these today? The closest I could find was the Kelly Take Off
    Kelly Bike Company

    There is an interesting lever coming out for the cyclocross gang Retroshift.
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    retroshift | Mud Proof Shifting. Designed by Goats!

    Youtube video, watch it. The video explains it well.
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    I decided to throw some dirt drops on my Bontrager and it really sucked! The problem was I had convinced myself I would hate them, so when I ended up loving them I got all mixed up inside. It climbs like a spider monkey, cruises like a crown victoria and descends like a flying squirrel. Now, I'm left to pick up the pieces and decide how to rebuild the bike around them! The only issues I had were the vintage gran-compe levers, which look great but the cables were in the way and I need more meat to grab onto, so I think I'll use some modern Cane Creek's like rigidftw. Also, that heinous rastafied cinelli world champion tape needs to go!
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    If you ran more housing, they don't get in the way. Glad you liked it.
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