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    Quote Originally Posted by oneschnark View Post
    Hi, here is my Salsa 1989
    The stem and hte fork are repaint

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    Very nice Philippe! My '89 has the same triangular gusset. I think soon afterwards, Salsa went to the Bontrager-style gusset that you see through the 90's production bikes, which allowed for a bit more compliance.

    Please post some more photos in the http://forums.mtbr.com/vintage-retro...376282-15.html

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    Sweet bike.
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    Late 80's Grizzly. Suntour Command (butterfly) shifters.

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    Yeah. Original bars too.
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    What kind of tape do you use for your VRC build? I'm trying to decide between new Cinelli, Brooks leather, and possibly some NOS Cinelli. What do you like?

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    Cloth. Velox Tressostar or Newbaums. Velox often requires 4 rolls/bar. Newbaums is long and nice, but does seem to (UV) fade a bit faster -- perhaps owing to its "eco-friendly" dyes.
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    What Hala said, always cloth. Newbaums for me.
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    Just back from shakedown ride... so far, so GOOD! 1991 Stumpjumper Comp built with black LX, Salsa woodchippers, and Deore Thumbies on drop bar mounts.
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    awesome.

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    Not sure if I posted this bike previously (and too lazy to search the thread). '92 Salsa ala Carte jelly bean with WTB drops, Bontrager composite fork and P7 stem.


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    Nice, which seat cluster arrangement came on that one?
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    Hey, first post on MTBR...my name says it all. I'm too young to have been around during the heyday of the dirt drop, but appreciate it in all of its glory. Working on setting up a Bontrager Privateer with dirt drops. Will drop some photos here as the build progresses. You're also welcome to follow along as I post more on IG via @dirt_drops.

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    That looks great Scooderdude! How'd you like the ride? Do you have it set up the way you like now?

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    Great thread.
    This is my 1986 High Sierra budget build (original brakes, wheels, bb, derailleurs--sontour xc--and seatpost. Saddle from a 1985 Miyata 610 (my Brooks B17 is on that), barstem, bars and levers from a $15 1984 Miyata 210, $20 suntour barcons from CL, Planet Bike bartape, parts bin deore xt crank arms with the original High Sierra chainrings, Shimano HG37 Freewheel, $5 CL VP spd pedals, CST 2.4" Cyclops tires.




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    Great rig for fire roads.
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    Great thread.
    This is my 1986 High Sierra budget build (original brakes, wheels, bb, derailleurs--sontour xc--and seatpost. Saddle from a 1985 Miyata 610 (my Brooks B17 is on that), barstem, bars and levers from a $15 1984 Miyata 210, $20 suntour barcons from CL, Planet Bike bartape, parts bin deore xt crank arms with the original High Sierra chainrings, Shimano HG37 Freewheel, $5 CL VP spd pedals, CST 2.4" Cyclops tires.



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    Benedict shredding on a Clockwork frame and LD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork Bikes View Post
    Benedict shredding on a Clockwork frame and LD!

    Great picture! How does that front disc work with the 1/2" (or are those 3/8"?) fork blades? No flex issues? What's the story on those skinwall Ardents?? Cool!

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    They're standard fork blades with a thicker wall.
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    Hi, AMERICAN 1991 / 92 with Nitto



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    Quote Originally Posted by oneschnark View Post
    Hi, AMERICAN 1991 / 92 with Nitto



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    That is awesome!

    Looks aggressive too....great build.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oneschnark View Post
    Hi, AMERICAN 1991 / 92 with Nitto


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    Great looking bike and love the component choices. And all the visuals point to it being built by a skilled mechanic (which always make the bike look better). Thanks for sharing. I like it!

    How do you like the bars? Was it hard to get them through that stem?

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    Beautiful American.

    Serial number should tell you if it's a 91 or 92.

    Make mine clipless or at least toe clips. Never stay on the pedals that way myself.
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    The stem is a GT.
    No difficulty to get the Nitto through that stem.
    I love this bike, and for Berlin , perfect


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    Rawland Drakkar Dirt Dropper

    Just stumbled on this thread and thought I'd share a recent drop bar project.

    I set out to build a gravel bike/dirt camper and stumbled across this Rawland Drakkar. It is designed to run up to 2.35" 29er tires and with a drop bar. Notice the longer top tube length and the height of the head tube to mask the stack height with a modern stem set up.

    The hardest thing for me was erasing the mental picture of what a "serious" drop bar bike looks like, with the bars significantly lower that seat (i. e. top bar is #1 position!).

    Anyway it really helped looking at the older Cunninghams, Salsas and WTBs to get the look burned into my mind as to what the proportions should look like.

    That got me in the zone but now with hundreds of dirt and commuting miles on this thing I've lowered it a bit (to open all the hand positions w/out sacrificing the main drop position) and moved from a Midge to a slightly narrower SOMA Portola bar.
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    Don't remember if I've posted any of these on this thread - so I'll throw 'em all together in one post
    The "CamoTam"


    The Ibis


    An earlier Fisher Mt Tam that I converted to drop bar (sold to fellow VRC member with original flatbar setup)


    The "Kleiningham"


    I had this Ritchey P series built up for a while as a dropbar. Didn't fit. Stripped and sold.


    And finally, the Potts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Don't remember if I've posted any of these on this thread - so I'll throw 'em all together in one post
    The "CamoTam"


    The Ibis


    An earlier Fisher Mt Tam that I converted to drop bar (sold to fellow VRC member with original flatbar setup)


    The "Kleiningham"


    I had this Ritchey P series built up for a while as a dropbar. Didn't fit. Stripped and sold.


    And finally, the Potts

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    Love the brown Ritchey..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork Bikes View Post
    nice. it could use less gears behind and another upfront.. imho.
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    Nice Joel! Very cool.

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    Love those Ardants! What size are they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork Bikes View Post
    Great bike. Love the parts selection too; especially that Nitto 65 (Pearl?) seatpost w/ the Hite Rite mounted up to a Brooks. I think my only change if I ordered up one of those would be a request for some stouter fork blades (but I do love the early 80s look of them as they are). Is it raw or clear coated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork Bikes View Post
    Joel, that bike is way cool (even says so on the seattube).

    I took the liberty of linking to your flickr build album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/clockw...57632468109162
    That skinny bladed fork with internal hose routing and retro crown is quite an item. Now that I'm nursing rotator cuff tendonitus from riding a flat bar 29er with stout rigid fork, your compliant skinny-blade fork is looking pretty luxurious.

    And the component choice is sweet but I would ditch the BB7s for maybe a set of those dual-action Spyres.

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    Cool!
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    Trek 970

    Not as classy as some of you guys/gals rides but here she is in pavement mode....

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    1989 GT Tequesta

    My dad had his old and barely used GT Tequesta laying around in his basement, so I decided to convert it to a drop bar commuting monster!
    The thumb shifters that it came with conveniently had steel bands, so I was able to spread them a bit to fit on the ends of the drops so they operate like barcons.

    I was pleasantly surprised at its 27.5 lb weight with heavy pedals and tires. I also added personal touches such as pink bar tape and its many stickers. My favorite is the "Bacon Powered" one on the top tube

    The thing rides great: it's smooth in the way only steel can be, and while it's heavier and slightly slower than a road oriented bike it doesn't feel sluggish. It's low profile so it's unlikely to attract thieves, and I'd like to try touring in the future and this would be a good bike to ride as well

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    There are so many great bikes here. Lots of inspiration!

    I've been SLOWLY rebuilding a 1990 stumpjumper I picked up off CL last year.

    I have 2 questions though.

    1) Does anyone know where I can find a pair of 25.4 Midge drops? I've been watching On One's site for quite a while, but they seem to be sold out every time I check. I've even tried ebay, but I haven't seen them in my clamp size.

    2) Does anyone have experience fitting 26x2.35 tires with fenders on an old stumpjumper or comparable bike? I really like the idea of fatty tires (schwalbe big apples or big bens), but I don't want to get them on there only to find out later I don't have room for a fender?

    Thanks in advance for any help!

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    2.35 might fit, but likely not if you want fenders too. Depends on how old a Specialized and what kind of fenders, of course.
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    Good luck finding Midges in that size, check out the Origin8 Gary bars as a substitute. As far as big tires go, I got nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideAtDawn View Post
    There are so many great bikes here. Lots of inspiration!

    I've been SLOWLY rebuilding a 1990 stumpjumper I picked up off CL last year.

    I have 2 questions though.

    1) Does anyone know where I can find a pair of 25.4 Midge drops? I've been watching On One's site for quite a while, but they seem to be sold out every time I check. I've even tried ebay, but I haven't seen them in my clamp size.

    2) Does anyone have experience fitting 26x2.35 tires with fenders on an old stumpjumper or comparable bike? I really like the idea of fatty tires (schwalbe big apples or big bens), but I don't want to get them on there only to find out later I don't have room for a fender?

    Thanks in advance for any help!
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    The single consolidated official drop bar thread

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    We had the same frustration with On-One and Planet X and I love the Midge bars. Soma to the rescue! The Portola and Junebug bars are a close copy to the Midge, but better because the drop portion is a bit longer. The Portola is 26.0 and silver. The Junebug is 31.8 and black.

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    Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm actually new to the forum and stoked to see how helpful everyone is.

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    Midge bar on a Rockhopper. Going friction shifting with Gevenalle (formerly Retroshift).

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    How does the positioning work out for the shifters with that bar? From here it looks like it would be difficult to reach them from the hoods.
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    Midge bar on a Rockhopper. Going friction shifting with Gevenalle (formerly Retroshift).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff View Post
    How does the positioning work out for the shifters with that bar? From here it looks like it would be difficult to reach them from the hoods.
    Haven't been able to ride it yet. Just received the brake cable hanger yesterday, so I was able to finish up the front and wrap the left side of the bar.

    In general the Gevenalle (Retroshift) stuff requires taking my hands off the drops and shifting from the hoods (as seen in the bar orientation in the pic). Once on the hoods, it takes minimum effort to throw it from one direction to another.

    Since this is a general fire-road bike, I'm going to need to plan my shifts ahead of time, which shouldn't be a problem. Besides, I'm almost always in grannie gear when climbing so I won't be doing much shifting.

    I'll report back after my first ride. I just need better brakes than the Exage stuff. New pads and they're already squealing on the repair stand during tuning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tk1971 View Post


    Midge bar on a Rockhopper. Going friction shifting with Gevenalle (formerly Retroshift).
    That's a very nice Rockhopper. An extremely underrated bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideAtDawn View Post
    2) Does anyone have experience fitting 26x2.35 tires with fenders on an old stumpjumper or comparable bike? I really like the idea of fatty tires (schwalbe big apples or big bens), but I don't want to get them on there only to find out later I don't have room for a fender?
    From what I've seen at our local bike co-op, I think most older frames will fit a 2.35 big apple with fenders.

    Here are my two successes (an 89 kuwahara which I replaced with an 85 bridgestone):





    Both frames had lots of clearance, and the biggest challenge is that I have to keep the fenders pretty low so that they don't interfere with the (non VRC) v-brakes. With cantis I don't think it would be a problem.

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    Finally took the Rockhopper up the San Olene Fireroad this weekend.

    Almost right away, I had to raise the seatpost and slide the saddle back.

    Going up was not bad (takes some getting used to). Angle of the bar needs to be adjusted, but I made it up to the top with minimum fuss.





    Then I started going down. Sure enough, I found it difficult to keep my hands on the drops. The rough terrain and my speed would bump my hands off the bars. I had to make 2 adjustments to the angle of the bar before I finished going down. Here is where it settled to now.



    Looks like I have some more tinkering to do. I ordered a longer quill stem adapter. I'm going to have to re-position the brake levers. I should have cut the brake cables / housing longer.

    Overall, the bike performed very well. Surprisingly, the Exage brakes performed adequately. I used a razor to remove the excess "flashing" from the cheap replacement pads, so that it wouldn't rub against the tire sidewalls. I got rid of that pesky squealing with proper toe-in.

    Can't wait to finalize the setup.


    Added:
    Got myself a taller stem adapter. Had to cut new cables and housing. Also fixed a minor oversight and added an inline barrel adjuster for the rear brake. Didn't like the look of the thin stem adapter, so I sleeved it up with an old/discarded/stretched-out grip.



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    2nd ride was much better. Got me the entry level GoPro, so here are some screen capture shots from the video:









    No problems going down:

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    Grrattitude

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    I posted pics of my build in one of the other monstercross/drop bar MTB threads. There are lots of great builds and ideas here. After scrapping my first two attempts at building a monstercross bike (not including the Miyata Junior Ten 24" 10-speed I destroyed off-roading in the early 80's), this is my third and ultimate drop bar build. And I f%^*ing love it.

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    That's a good looking bike.
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    I posted pics of my build in one of the other monstercross/drop bar MTB threads. There are lots of great builds and ideas here. After scrapping my first two attempts at building a monstercross bike (not including the Miyata Junior Ten 24" 10-speed I destroyed off-roading in the early 80's), this is my third and ultimate drop bar build. And I f%^*ing love it.
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    First build up:


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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnw View Post
    A Ham without Roller Cams?
    Quite a few out there like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff View Post
    That's a good looking bike.
    Thanks. This is as close to a road bike as I'll ever own, since I prefer to steer clear of cars, cops & concrete.

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    tk1971 I like your Rockhopper. Did you ever think about a bigger frame? That's a lot of seatpost and stem showing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2 View Post
    tk1971 I like your Rockhopper. Did you ever think about a bigger frame? That's a lot of seatpost and stem showing.
    It actually fits me very really well. The bike feels very agile, and at no time do I feel like I'm going over the bars.

    When I was researching all these posts about drop bar mtb conversions, I read from somewhere (probably this thread) that when converting a frame that is not specifically designed for a drop bar, starting off with a smaller frame is a good way to accommodate the longer reach with the drop bars.

    I can ride faster on this bike than my Raleigh XC bike. The weight may have alot to do with it. The Rockhopper seems to be perfect in balance and weight (around 27 lbs). Very capable.

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    Where on earth are you people getting your quill stems from!!!
    Is there is place that sells those curved goose neck looking stems or do I have to A) get one made or B) get lucky and find one on ebay

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    A. Try Clockwork. If you plan on B, start saving money, and developing patience (the first one in about a year just sold on Ebay a week or two ago).

    C. Buy a Nitto Dirt drop stem from Rivendelle.

    Also your questions have already been answered in this thread. I would suggest skimming it at least, beginning to end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbond09 View Post
    Where on earth are you people getting your quill stems from!!!
    This is the threadless stem I use on my modern bikes. It looks sort of like an LD/gooseneck stem but costs a lot less. They're from a UK company but you can get them in the US, Google "humpert ergotech high charisma" (Brits have silly names for everything):


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    Does that stem replace the headset topcap?

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    ^ yup. It can actually makes things tough though, because I found it was too high (I'd have preferred a 60 or 75mm) but there's no way to lower it without cutting the steerer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    ^ yup. It can actually makes things tough though, because I found it was too high (I'd have preferred a 60 or 75mm) but there's no way to lower it without cutting the headtube.

    Go to their website. They come in 2 heights. You might have the tall.
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    ^ I've definitely got the shorter 90mm one. But it added 1-1/2" of height when my 29er probably needed half that.

    Basically, it's pretty dramatic. But I'm sure I'll find it handy when the revamped Luxy bar comes out and I'm trying to fit it to an old 26er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    ^ I've definitely got the shorter 90mm one. But it added 1-1/2" of height when my 29er probably needed half that.

    Basically, it's pretty dramatic. But I'm sure I'll find it handy when the revamped Luxy bar comes out and I'm trying to fit it to an old 26er.
    The short version is called the Charisma. It's 20 deg rise. The High Charisma, pictured above, is 45 deg.
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    ^ ah, I see. But this was the typical dirtdrop struggle of height vs. reach, and a 20deg would have been too much reach. The 90/45deg sounded really promising, but for me it ended up being less comfortable than a shorter 35deg.

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    Having a blast with the Dirt Drop Odile 53 degree rise custom Igleheart stem puts the Woodchippers in a good position for drops only riding. The stem I believe is very close to the specs for the original Salsa P10 stem (mine is more like a P9.5 for reach). Great cockpit setup and I will gladly accept the weight penalty for its functionality.
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    Dirt Drops in SFGate picture thread

    Not just any mountain bike, Dirt Drop Mountain Bike.


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    And there are so many other fun outdoorsy things to do here, including mountain biking, which was invented in Marin County. (Photo on Mt. Tam in 1989.) Currently pic74

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    Thanks tductape.

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    The Croll project. long story short; I had a raw frame that I brought to Erik Noren of Peacock Groove who used to work at Croll. He made a fork and LD stem for it and had it painted in Croll inspired tiger stripes (Erik couldn't resist and painted up a pair of rims too). I stopped by the shop today to drop off some parts and had to take an in progress pic. I'll post a more detailed description later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hegstad1 View Post
    The Croll project. long story short; I had a raw frame that I brought to Erik Noren of Peacock Groove who used to work at Croll. He made a fork and LD stem for it and had it painted in Croll inspired tiger stripes (Erik couldn't resist and painted up a pair of rims too). I stopped by the shop today to drop off some parts and had to take an in progress pic. I'll post a more detailed description later.

    That's so obnoxious that I like it.

    More detail pics of the stem if you have em!
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    Yeah, in person it is really crazy. It's got some sparkle/flake in the paint that make it look like some funky pimp-mobile. The rims almost push it over the top for me. We'll see how the final build looks. I'll get some better pics of the stem next time I'm in the shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    ^ I've definitely got the shorter 90mm one. But it added 1-1/2" of height when my 29er probably needed half that.

    Basically, it's pretty dramatic. But I'm sure I'll find it handy when the revamped Luxy bar comes out and I'm trying to fit it to an old 26er.
    Do you still have that stem? Want to sell it? PM me if interested, I'm local.

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    I had crashed on this bike back in February. Messed up my back for a while.

    Anyways, the back is healing and I feel well enough to try the drop bar conversion again. This time, I converted it to a full rigid and made it into a single speed.

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    My 1st Drop bar mtb build, having troubles with bar height / placement. Brand new un-cut fork, still doesn't feel quite right and looks ridiculous. Grips to seat also 2" further away than my usual. Fork is 406mm a-c, so increasing this is an option, although forks with a-c 410-425 not easy to find. Surly Troll fork would look great, but >450mm way over intended for this frame. Any suggestions?

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    Pretty sure you should be able to find a kona project 2 fork in that length.

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    The more I think about it, if I raise the a-c of the fork, the bottom bracket will rise some with saddle height and defeat my purpose. I have 2 more frames with shorter top tubes, I am going to throw some parts over and see how it looks.

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    Salsa El Mariachi with On-One Midge's from earlier this fall.

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    Velo Orange working on a dirt drop stem.

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    Very cool. I never understood why On One or Salsa didn't do something similar to match with their bars.

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    They're hard to make.

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    ^ no doubt. And I guess salsa actually did make their high-rise stems for awhile, but I think they'd phased them out a few years before they introduced the woodchipper? More for On One then, it's always surprised me that they don't carry anyone else's 35+deg stems on their site (bontrager, ergotec, etc), instead forcing people to hunt around. It's a good move by VO.

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    Anyone knows where i can get hold of this picture in high-res? Or as a poster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by burritoguru View Post
    Velo Orange working on a dirt drop stem.

    The Velo ORANGE Blog: Long Tall Stem Prototypes
    That is exactly what bikes like a Surly CC need. The short headtube makes it tough to get the bars up without looking ridiculous. Good move VO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    They're hard to make.
    They are especially for the small one man shops. VO is probably going to have jigs made up and produce them in quantity which will hold the price down. Let's see if they can make some thumb shifter mounts like the old WTB versions at a reasonable price.
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    VO shifter mounts would be so cool. That's another thing that I'm surprised no one sells.

    I never posted this in this thread, but stretching out the clamp on a cheapo Sunrace shifter works pretty well, but it's a little closer to the bar than the standoff clamps would be.

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    It's been a little bit, but I found time to ride my 90's Rockhopper conversion just this last week. Took it fast and wreckless going down.

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    With the small/stiff frame and rigid fork, I really took a beating on it. Lots of fun on an otherwise very dull trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burritoguru View Post
    Velo Orange working on a dirt drop stem.

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    I just emailed them. They are going to be importing them.
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    3 attempts and I think I finally got something. Hard to size right with long legs and short torso. I had to pony up on the $$ and get the Nitto mt-10 long quill stem. I used my smallest/shortest frame, old bridgestone mb-4.

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    3 attempts and I think I finally got something. Hard to size right with long legs and short torso. I had to pony up on the $$ and get the Nitto mt-10 long quill stem. I used my smallest/shortest frame, old bridgestone mb-4.
    Whoa nelly. I also have longer legs and a shorter torso than a corresponding height-equivalent man that these bikes were designed for so I know a thing or two about top tube and stem lengths but you really should get a different bike that fits you better and if you really have that much trouble reaching down and getting a water bottle, maybe get a camelbak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Whoa nelly. I also have longer legs and a shorter torso than a corresponding height-equivalent man that these bikes were designed for so I know a thing or two about top tube and stem lengths but you really should get a different bike that fits you better and if you really have that much trouble reaching down and getting a water bottle, maybe get a camelbak.
    The water bottles are there for a couple reasons, 1: they stay clean instead of getting a mouth full of dry dirt this summer, 2: leaving the frame open for a frame bag. My idea was to put the hand position while in the drops close to the same spot as if on a regular bar, with exception of being sideways. I started with a larger frame, was impossible to get reach short enough, tried a medium frame, still not enough. The Nitto stem maxed out on this frame puts the lower curve of the drops right about saddle height with reach being very comparable to my typical mtb's. Looks ridiculous, yes indeed, but actually rode pretty well, could probably drop the stem an inch or so. I think when I build my touring bike I'll go jone's H bars or equivalent instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneschnark View Post
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    I like the silver brakes in back, black up front. I did the same with my drop bar Salsa.
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    I got the Croll out for a shake-down ride. I will post more pictures when I get some of the details finished up. It has garbage shifters on it and cheap bar tape. I also want a different cable hanger up front. As it stands, it has XTR 900 brakes, hubs, and derailleurs, Ultergra tricolor brake levers, Cook Bros. Cranks, XT pedals, XTR 910 seat post (because it's silver) Turbo suede seat, new Nitto RM 014 bars. The fork was made by Eric Noren at Peacock Groove. He helped build the original frame back in 1993. Eric had the LD stem made by Joel at Clockwork. The rims are new DT Swiss that Eric had painted to match the frame.


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    Those rims are amazing. Whole bike is amazing, but the rims are something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hegstad1 View Post
    I got the Croll out for a shake-down ride. I will post more pictures when I get some of the details finished up. It has garbage shifters on it and cheap bar tape. I also want a different cable hanger up front. As it stands, it has XTR 900 brakes, hubs, and derailleurs, Ultergra tricolor brake levers, Cook Bros. Cranks, XT pedals, XTR 910 seat post (because it's silver) Turbo suede seat, new Nitto RM 014 bars. The fork was made by Eric Noren at Peacock Groove. He helped build the original frame back in 1993. Eric had the LD stem made by Joel at Clockwork. The rims are new DT Swiss that Eric had painted to match the frame.
    So ugly it's cool!

    Maybe it's the camera angle...but that saddle looks pointed down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    So ugly it's cool!

    Maybe it's the camera angle...but that saddle looks pointed down?
    The saddle is level with the earth! The frame has a sloping top tube which makes the seat look titled down, at least from that angle. I have the seat tipped back as far is it will go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hegstad1 View Post
    The saddle is level with the earth! The frame has a sloping top tube which makes the seat look titled down, at least from that angle. I have the seat tipped back as far is it will go.
    Gotcha!

    If you have the saddle tilted all the way back and it's still ever so slightly facing down (or you can't get it to point up at all), the cradle might be in backwards. I made that mistake with an XT post and I think the XTR is similar.
    If the saddle is level and it's just the pic, then you're golden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Gotcha!

    If you have the saddle tilted all the way back and it's still ever so slightly facing down (or you can't get it to point up at all), the cradle might be in backwards. I made that mistake with an XT post and I think the XTR is similar.
    If the saddle is level and it's just the pic, then you're golden.

    Damn, you might be right. I've done that before too. I'll check but it's still pretty close.

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    Here is my Bridgestone. I just recently converted it to dirt drops--Specialized WTB RM-2. It's a ton of fun! Here it is on my first ride:




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    Quote Originally Posted by Wissahickon View Post
    Here is my Bridgestone. I just recently converted it to dirt drops--Specialized WTB RM-2. It's a ton of fun! Here it is on my first ride:
    Sano build there! RM-2's are great. How'd you feel about it after the first ride? I was sold after mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wissahickon View Post
    Here is my Bridgestone. I just recently converted it to dirt drops--Specialized WTB RM-2.
    That reminds me that I've never posted my MB-3 in this thread. Sadly nothing is period-correct except for the headset, but it's all super comfy anyway.


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    [QUOTE=Rumpfy;12629207]Sano build there! RM-2's are great. How'd you feel about it after the first ride? I was sold after mine.

    Thankss Rumpfy! I must admit, I had a blast riding the RM-2s. For a while I was looking at the other drop bar choices like the Nitto rm-3, salsa's woodchipper, onone midge, etc. but ultimately decided on waiting for the RM-2 to present themselves. Once I got a chance, I jumped on the opportunity to acquire them and I'm glad I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    That reminds me that I've never posted my MB-3 in this thread. Sadly nothing is period-correct except for the headset, but it's all super comfy anyway.


    Nice Bridgestone! What year is that? What kind of drops did you use?

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    A couple from RacerX09 line up

    I have since sold the Litespeed, but I have a few.

    Right now I am riding an older Bianchi, really neat lugged triple butted frame. I have put on some newer, lighter wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wissahickon View Post
    Nice Bridgestone! What year is that? What kind of drops did you use?
    '85 based on the catalogs on Sheldon Brown's site, and a midge. They go together very nicely.

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    For the past few years, I've had a bit of a wacky idea rolling around my head. After being exposed to the idea of a 'ratrod' bike and falling in love with the 50's aesthetic, I got thinking about parlaying that whole concept onto a MTB. My biggest concern is not whether I could, but whether I should. So, can anyone comment on the riding geometry of a 'swoopy' beach cruiser or towny with drop bars and 26" MTB tires?
    I ride a 26'er with tubes and rim brakes.
    Yeah, I'm basically living in the stone age.

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    For the past few years, I've had a bit of a wacky idea rolling around my head. After being exposed to the idea of a 'ratrod' bike and falling in love with the 50's aesthetic, I got thinking about parlaying that whole concept onto a MTB. My biggest concern is not whether I could, but whether I should. So, can anyone comment on the riding geometry of a 'swoopy' beach cruiser or towny with drop bars and 26" MTB tires?
    I have also fell in love with 50's style and have built a couple "klunkers." Both from Schwinn cantilever frames, and also have a couple other tank bikes in the works. Problems you might have: the rear ends on these things are super long, not playful, do not handle well imo. The top tubes on these things tend to be long as they are designed for swoop back cruiser handle bars, will be a problem if you are a shorter rider. I use american to euro bottom bracket converter in mine to run standard mtn bike cranks. I have also spread the rear dropouts apart to 135mm and run cheap sunrace derailleur hanger to run gears with no problems. 1 other thing to note, the seat tubes are really skinny, you'll have to shim the front derailleur and cable stop (if needed) witch is actually trickier than it sounds (they like to move). I use plumbers strap, worked for the derailleur, couldn't get the cable stop to quit moving. A derailleur that runs full length cable housing would fix this.

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    I think it's a bro thing. The whole skidding thing annoys me. Love the drop bar love though.

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    Plan to hit the new Waterloo Rec Area trails with it this weekend though. Rumor has it they are skinny tire friendly.

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    Plan to hit the new Waterloo Rec Area trails with it this weekend though. Rumor has it they are skinny tire friendly.
    Really nice bike.
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    Thanks. It's headed out to the new owner this week. It will be well travelled.

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    Here's my first attempt at a drop bar mountain bike. I just finished it last night, so i only have a day's commute to base my first impression on. It seems very well mannered, but we'll see how it behaves when pushed. Hopefully it'll see some dirt tomorrow night.




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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeDumler View Post
    Here's my first attempt at a drop bar mountain bike. I just finished it last night, so i only have a day's commute to base my first impression on. It seems very well mannered, but we'll see how it behaves when pushed. Hopefully it'll see some dirt tomorrow night.



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    Rumpfy's new best friend! Great looking frameset.
    The guy built a drop bar Otis and we're workin' on putting together a killer vintage ride for everyone...he's ok by me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    The guy built a drop bar Otis and we're workin' on putting together a killer vintage ride for everyone...he's ok by me!
    So is it time to let the cat out of the bag then? Should our gathering of the VRC nerds get it's own thread now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeDumler View Post
    Here's my first attempt at a drop bar mountain bike. I just finished it last night, so i only have a day's commute to base my first impression on. It seems very well mannered, but we'll see how it behaves when pushed. Hopefully it'll see some dirt tomorrow night.



    That looks well sorted out and i like how you placed the brake levers low on the hbar. I see most of the time dirt drops w/ brake levers like it was a road bike and it bugs me.
    back to your bike.. you can even raise that stem so you can rock the technical and steep w/out fear.
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    Eric, I know I haven't met any of you yet, but this will be a good chance. BTW, though you've probably heard, this Saturday there's a bike swap in Petaluma (Bruce Gordon bikes). I talked to Paul Sadoff and he's bringing an old rigid fork for my Lobster, not sure but there might be other like minded folk. Oh and damn that OG is an elegant one. Cheers and I'll keep my eye out for the ride, north Bay Area I suppose, didn't you do one at China Camp in 2010 (yes I trolled your photos, they're just too nice and envy inducing!). Cheers, Ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeDumler View Post
    So is it time to let the cat out of the bag then? Should our gathering of the VRC nerds get it's own thread now?
    Definitely. You want to start it or shall I?

    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    That looks well sorted out and i like how you placed the brake levers low on the hbar. I see most of the time dirt drops w/ brake levers like it was a road bike and it bugs me.
    back to your bike.. you can even raise that stem so you can rock the technical and steep w/out fear.
    Brake levers too high is another common setup mistake...but not so here. Looks like his saddle to top of bar ratio is just about right too...might not need to raise that stem very much (if at all).
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    My commuter / light touring / all around fun bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Definitely. You want to start it or shall I?
    I think I'll let you take that on. Seems like you might have a bit more clout around these parts than I do.

    Back on topic, I took the OG out for its first thrashing tonight. We did our typical Wednesday night loop, which I like to call the "Everything Bagel" because you get it all in a 10 mile spin. There's a rocky fire road grind which leads to a flowy single track up to the peak. Next comes the biker built DH run called "Hitler", followed by the "no pedal zone", a tight, twisty single track with no real elevation drop that can be navigated without pedaling. Last is the tech section, which is loaded with hairpins, log hops, makeshift bridges and steep, loamy sweepers.

    Ride report is overall very positive. The frame lacks the responsive feel of some of my faster bikes, but it makes up for it in ride quality ten fold. You really have to manhandle it when you get it up to speed. It climbs like a monster though. I was able to clear the steepest stuff I could point it down, even with the stem as low as it is.


    Bottom of Hitler. Made it down just fine...


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    I think the takeaway here that is sticking with me the most is that, as much as I enjoy this bike, I want to build something better. I picked the OG for my build because I thought a more "traditional" Marin County bike would compliment the drops best. After seeing how they stack up to other handlebar setups, I think that they would be just as well suited to a slightly more aggressive and contemporary bike. Something with a shorter rear end, a slacker front end and a slightly taller BB and axle to crown height. I'm thinking mid 90's Ala Carte or something of the sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    nice ibis... curious about the ride of those szasbos.
    That's my friend Steve's bike. He's owned three of them over the years, plus a Bow Ti. I haven't ridden it yet, but he loves it. He says it's more plush than you'd expect a URT bike to be, and upgrading to a shock with a platform damper made it almost as good as his modern full suspension Giant Anthem. He sold the Giant, and now has an Ibis Mojo 3 on order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeDumler View Post
    I think I'll let you take that on. Seems like you might have a bit more clout around these parts than I do.

    Back on topic, I took the OG out for its first thrashing tonight. We did our typical Wednesday night loop, which I like to call the "Everything Bagel" because you get it all in a 10 mile spin. There's a rocky fire road grind which leads to a flowy single track up to the peak. Next comes the biker built DH run called "Hitler", followed by the "no pedal zone", a tight, twisty single track with no real elevation drop that can be navigated without pedaling. Last is the tech section, which is loaded with hairpins, log hops, makeshift bridges and steep, loamy sweepers.

    Ride report is overall very positive. The frame lacks the responsive feel of some of my faster bikes, but it makes up for it in ride quality ten fold. You really have to manhandle it when you get it up to speed. It climbs like a monster though. I was able to clear the steepest stuff I could point it down, even with the stem as low as it is.

    I think the takeaway here that is sticking with me the most is that, as much as I enjoy this bike, I want to build something better. I picked the OG for my build because I thought a more "traditional" Marin County bike would compliment the drops best. After seeing how they stack up to other handlebar setups, I think that they would be just as well suited to a slightly more aggressive and contemporary bike. Something with a shorter rear end, a slacker front end and a slightly taller BB and axle to crown height. I'm thinking mid 90's Ala Carte or something of the sort.
    Sounds like a fun loop. No wide bars and modern tires to take the edge off either!

    Solid assessment. Nothing racy about my drop bar OG either. I can bring my Ala Carte up for the vintage ride if you want to try it (or take it home with you to knock around on to see if does what you want).
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    93 (?) Bianchi Project 5 fell into my lap recently. Seemed lightly used so all I did was clean it up and get the Origin 8 Gary bars from the lbs. Are most dirt drops essentially upside down Schwinn cruiser bars or just these? Have some fatter tires on the way to replace the original 700cx45s, could use some more cush.

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    Haven't been able to find much info about these, if anyone could help I'd appreciate it! Also would love recommendations for better stem and straight blade forks

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkgizzard View Post
    93 (?) Bianchi Project 5 fell into my lap recently. Seemed lightly used so all I did was clean it up and get the Origin 8 Gary bars from the lbs. Are most dirt drops essentially upside down Schwinn cruiser bars or just these? Have some fatter tires on the way to replace the original 700cx45s, could use some more cush.

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    Haven't been able to find much info about these, if anyone could help I'd appreciate it! Also would love recommendations for better stem and straight blade forks
    Looks like you have a threaded steerer fork, which is different from the current system. They do make an adpapter that allows you to use a threadless stem with your threaded headset/fork. Replacing the fork with a new one will require a new headset, stem and fork. Frankly it's a pretty cool bike and I would just ride it as is, replace parts as they wear out and enjoy it!
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    The Bianchi Project bikes are VERY cool and are in the line that led to the 29er bikes today. I agree with rockcrusher and I would run the original fork. Nothing wrong with the set up you have now. I'm not sure about the Project 5, but I've seen the Project 7 bikes with a Ritchey Logic unicrown fork.

    About half way down there's a discussion of the Bianchi Project bikes at this link GT Tachyon, Bianchi Project 7, and the Tire Standard That Wasn?t - Bike Hugger

    And some discussion here as to why the Bianchi Project bikes are NOT 29ers. Hint: max tire width clearance. Guitar Ted Productions: The Beginnings Of The Modern 29"er: A History

    Little bit of the history of development from Dirt Rag here The Big Wheel Mountain Bike Story | Dirt Rag

    And some interesting bits from MOMBAT MOMBAT: History of the 29" wheel bicycle by Adam Hunt

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    The original fork is no problem and in no way inhibits my enjoyment of the bike, I just think it would look killer with a straight blade fork! I know finding one pre-existing that is 1" threaded w/ canti bosses and clearance for 700c x 2" tires is probably a dream and I doubt I'll ever get a custom fork made for it, but if anyone has any ideas of something fitting the bill (steel or carbon or other) I'd love to know what to look for.

    As for the 29r question, I did manage to squeeze in a pair of Clement 29x2.1 tires. A cat's whisker of clearance but I'll take it! I have heard bikes like this described as "28r", I'll leave the semantics to others.

    Thanks for those links, reading that Dirt Rag history is what got me into looking for a vintage big wheel MTB in the first place, it must have been synchronicity because I feel like this bike found me rather than the other way around.

    What would be great to see is original Bianchi catalogs with this model, I was surprised that they weren't around the web already.

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    There's a few that I found online and have linked here https://repartodirt.wordpress.com/bi...bike-catalogs/ but nothing really in the VRC category. I could spend a mint on catalogs on ebay, but I'm still hoping there's someone out there that has scans I can host.

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    Drop Bar advice, yay, nay on my plan?

    Hope you all had a good weekend of riding, good ride with the BTCEB folks in JMP, now on topic

    I scored a real deal on a pair of WTB RM-2s recently (think a good lunch) and also might have a stem that would work, but probably not. I'm thinking of giving drop bars a shot and re-purpose/reconfigure my 99" Ritchey NiTi. A couple questions...

    a) Think the NiTi has geometry that would lend itself to drop bars?

    b) I would rather not use barcons, are there any other options out there besides the elusive/pricey WTBs? Is there anyway you can make thumb shifters work? I saw these Paul's on a bike today, no-go right?

    c) My fork is currently a Surly big dummy (sus corrected threadless), are there threadless drop bar stems that are decent? If not I might be able to have Paul Sadoff make a custom stem, I'm guessing if I did that I would need to barrow someone's stem fitter, as I'd be going all-in as it were.

    d) I currently have M900 V-brakes on there, what would be a compatible brake lever?

    Before I dive in, maybe someone could let me tool around a bit on a drop bar bike at the VRC ride later this month?


    Here are the Paul shifters I recently saw, any chance they could be altered to work, I'm moderately handy? I know I'm gonna get the duh on this one.
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    Any sage advice would be helpful, and yes of course you could say "do your own homework and go down the google hole", I'll do that as well.

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    A) I don't have enough experience on dirt drops yet to make an educated answer, but my gut feeling is that a NiTi's have too long of a front end (mid-late 90's geometry) to make dirt drops work effectively.

    B) Kelly made some. Text me and I'll tell you where I saw a pair for $40.

    C) I saw somewhere (probably earlier in this thread) that Velo Orange is coming out with a copy of the LD stem. If you're going to have a stem made, I have a Salsa Size-o-Matic fit stem you are welcome to borrow. That's how I figured out my setup.

    D) Tektro makes long pull drop bar brake levers. Others probably do as well. That's assuming you meant M95* v-brakes. M900 was cantilever.

    E) Feel free to borrow my drop bar OG at the get together. Bring SPD compatible shoes if you want the full experience.

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    You want a tall head tube for drop bars. Basically your hands will be at the same distance from the saddle as in a flat bar when your hands are in the drops. Ritcheys have short head tubes.
    I have seen Paul's cx adapter for top of bars but bar cons work well.
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    The inclination with trying drop bars is to use what you have handy to see if you like it before really committing. It's generally a good plan since people either seem to love or hate riding off road drops.
    The rub is that if you don't really get the set up right, it makes a big difference in your off road drop riding experience.
    I was fortunate in that I was able to borrow a buddies drop bar (P-23) to try out the platform first. While was bike was a little small for me, I loved it and set out to build my own drop bar project bike. My first several were failures and it took me time to get the right frame/stem set up. Once that happened, I've never felt so comfortable on a bike.

    I think your NiTi/Paul/V-Brake proposal will create enough hurdles that negate any time/money you'd save using that bike as a test sled for off road drops.

    Definitely try Lee's Otis at the vintage ride. I'm considering bringing my red/white 85 drop bar Otis as well. That'll give you an early and late vintage mtb drop set up to pedal around on. If you think you might like it, we can dork out on options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    You want a tall head tube for drop bars. Basically your hands will be at the same distance from the saddle as in a flat bar when your hands are in the drops. Ritcheys have short head tubes.
    I have seen Paul's cx adapter for top of bars but bar cons work well.
    Tektro and cane creek have good levers for V brakes.
    ^^ This.
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    Lee and Colker,

    Thanks for the insight, looks like the consensus might be that "this is not the bike I am looking for", I do still ride it, but it is the less ridden on my modest staple at the moment. I'll do a little more research, see if anyone else replies. I suppose at the least I saved myself some money, time and effort, oh and then I might have a pair of WTB RM-2's for the taking or trade. I heard about the Kelly's, if I do end up building it up DB anyways I'll contact you on that deal.

    Lee, I will take you up on the offer to test ride the OG. I'm thinking of doing both rides on the 28th too, depending on the "course", the lobster and the P-22.

    Many thanks,

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    So, Eric, would you say the NiTi is a no-go for drop bar, just a bad fit, or wouldn't really be worth it as it wouldn't perform well as a drop bar? I'm in no rush, I did see a drop bar Ritchey timber comp in Pacifica for sale (don't flag me GOB), though that's a decade or more earlier bike.

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    Ahh, that sounds like what I needed to hear, there's no substitute for behind the bar time. I'll shelve the idea for the moment till I get more perspective, I know it's not truly VRC, but I actually like the ride of the NiTi, though it doesn't get a lot of love, even like. Look forward to the big ride. Thanks all

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    Hi guys, my question is somewhat more brake related. Currently I am using XT 732 cantis with Shimano 105 aero levers - I am especially not convinced of the levers. The brakes working fine with Paul levers... Do you have any recommendations on aero levers? Cheers, Marco

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Claus View Post
    So, Eric, would you say the NiTi is a no-go for drop bar, just a bad fit, or wouldn't really be worth it as it wouldn't perform well as a drop bar? I'm in no rush, I did see a drop bar Ritchey timber comp in Pacifica for sale (don't flag me GOB), though that's a decade or more earlier bike.
    As Colker said, it really helps to have a taller headtube. If not, you'll need a really tall stem to get yourself in the correct position on the bike. Ritcheys typically have a pretty short headtube. I've found full rigid is the way to go with drop bar bikes as well. It can certainly be done with suspension, but I don't like the way it feels as much.

    So to me you've got a much newer frame that is:
    - suspension corrected
    - has a short head tube
    - will require a odd spec custom stem

    There's so much out there. So many really neat frames you can try. You don't seem at all afraid to take on a project or track down parts, so I think you have the luxury of being smart about it. I'm confident you'll have a much better sense of direction in a few weeks after trying out some drop bar bikes at the vintage ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caemis View Post
    Hi guys, my question is somewhat more brake related. Currently I am using XT 732 cantis with Shimano 105 aero levers - I am especially not convinced of the levers. The brakes working fine with Paul levers... Do you have any recommendations on aero levers? Cheers, Marco
    I run M732 XT cantilevers with Dia-Compe Gran Compe Aero levers with no issues.
    So you went from a flat bar set up to drop bar set up? The 105's should work ok.

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    BTW, love that Salsa bike! I totally agree, I look forward to checking out the various drop bar combos out on the VRC ride and maybe being lucky enough to take em on a little spin. I was just looking to monkey with the NiTi, but also like as is. At least I got a good lucky start with the great deal on the RM-2s, who knows what I might scare up at the impromptu parts swap later this month.

    I also saw that red Phoenix Lee has in his garage partially built, who knows?? hint? I believe a 18', maybe a tad big (at least Phoenix wise) for me at shy of 6'. Sorry to have "hijacked" the drop bar thread and thanks for advising me (invoice to follow?), back to your normally scheduled programming! Ben,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    I run M732 XT cantilevers with Dia-Compe Gran Compe Aero levers with no issues.
    So you went from a flat bar set up to drop bar set up? The 105's should work ok.

    No, I am still switching around setups. But I will have a drop bar stem build for me - and afterwards my Lobster will stay as dirtdrop machine:




    As to the levers, I will try out my 105 again but since they belong to the project "test the dropbar" anyway and aren't in a good shape I am open for something new

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    Love old Litespeeds

    This was my favorite project. Someone offered me some $$ for it and sadly I sold it....
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    New Velo Orange stem recreates classic dirt drop stem

    Have you guys seen this? I noticed this over on the Velo Orange blog...The Cigne stem...looks like it has some potential for those who want that VRC dirt drop stem look when you cant find the original part...per the blog they intend to have an adapter to make it work with threaded forks/headsets in 1" size. In production now and will be offered in 70mm and 90mm extension and black, nickle and raw finishes.

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    I'm curious what the rise will be. In that proto pic it looks to be about 8"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokchoicowboy View Post
    Have you guys seen this? I noticed this over on the Velo Orange blog...The Cigne stem...looks like it has some potential for those who want that VRC dirt drop stem look when you cant find the original part...per the blog they intend to have an adapter to make it work with threaded forks/headsets in 1" size. In production now and will be offered in 70mm and 90mm extension and black, nickle and raw finishes.

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    Yep! There are a few options out there now, which is great to have.
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    I don't post pics of this guy often, but I put a temp Ibis LD in there. I need a bit more height and reach, but it's close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Yep! There are a few options out there now, which is great to have.
    The second stem is a humpert high charisma. It's a German company but you can usually get one from a UK seller on eBay. They only come in black. I called VO and they confirmed that's what they were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    I don't post pics of this guy often, but I put a temp Ibis LD in there. I need a bit more height and reach, but it's close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onebignut View Post
    To me that is perfection in a mountain bike.
    Tell me something i don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onebignut View Post
    To me that is perfection in a mountain bike.
    Won't argue with that. For a bike made in 84 (though Charlie said possibly late 83), it rides like a bike 10 years newer.
    I can't think of anything available at the time this bike was made that could ever come close to the way this rides.
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    I can't seem to find the details of geometry for my 1990 Team Marin MTB.

    I'd like to see how different the geometry of this bike is versus say a Rawland or other purpose built 26" drop bar tourers.

    I think I want to try running some spare drop bars I've got on it. I've got a 1" threaded to 1-1/8" stem adapter that I can raise pretty high, and a shorty stem to decrease the reach.

    That being said, it does certainly feel far different than other drop bar bikes (650bm, 700C, or 29x1.9) I've ridden.
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    Quick question here to see if I am doomed or should proceed. OK, I picked up some RM-2s on the cheap, the original owner cut about 3/4" - 1" off each of the bar ends. Does this make them unusable? Is there a safe, relatively simple and not hideous way to add back the length? I'll be using bar-cons...any help would be well helpful. cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Claus View Post
    Quick question here to see if I am doomed or should proceed. OK, I picked up some RM-2s on the cheap, the original owner cut about 3/4" - 1" off each of the bar ends. Does this make them unusable? Is there a safe, relatively simple and not hideous way to add back the length? I'll be using bar-cons...any help would be well helpful. cheers
    Control tech Terminators. They're great. Or, if you use bar end shifters, maybe that would be enough. I suspect that's why they were cut in the first place?

    Edit: to clarify, you can't use the Terminators AND bar end shifters, but the shifters effectively add an inch or so of grippable real estate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkgizzard View Post
    93 (?) Bianchi Project 5 fell into my lap recently. Seemed lightly used so all I did was clean it up and get the Origin 8 Gary bars from the lbs. Are most dirt drops essentially upside down Schwinn cruiser bars or just these? Have some fatter tires on the way to replace the original 700cx45s, could use some more cush.

    Do you have lugs as well. I really like this bike I converted this past spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Claus View Post
    I'll be using bar-cons...any help would be well helpful. cheers
    People cut drops to fit bar cons on the ends and not have too much bar sticking back. If you also run bar cons you are good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    People cut drops to fit bar cons on the ends and not have too much bar sticking back. If you also run bar cons you are good to go.
    Thanks to both of you for the reply, that makes sense and good to hear. I've heard people say that the uncut ones with bar cons would sometimes hit their leg when turning..thanks again cheers, project moves forward

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    [QUOTE=DoubleCentury;12861457]People cut drops to fit bar cons on the ends and not have too much bar sticking back. If you also run bar cons you are good to go

    Thanks Tashhi, I know there are posts here, but to cut to the chaffe, do you know what bar cons would work best with an XT 732 der, 7 speed, and a 26mm dia bars? Also I'm thinkin dia comp levers for the M900 cantis. I'm hoping to get Grumpyone's salsa stem, perfect for this build. A couple of pieces have to come together, but I'm getting there, cheers

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    [QUOTE=Mr. Claus;12861995]
    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    People cut drops to fit bar cons on the ends and not have too much bar sticking back. If you also run bar cons you are good to go

    Thanks Tashhi, I know there are posts here, but to cut to the chaffe, do you know what bar cons would work best with an XT 732 der, 7 speed, and a 26mm dia bars? Also I'm thinkin dia comp levers for the M900 cantis. I'm hoping to get Grumpyone's salsa stem, perfect for this build. A couple of pieces have to come together, but I'm getting there, cheers
    Hi Ben,
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    People cut drops to fit bar cons on the ends and not have too much bar sticking back. If you also run bar cons you are good to go

    Thanks Tashhi, I know there are posts here, but to cut to the chaffe, do you know what bar cons would work best with an XT 732 der, 7 speed, and a 26mm dia bars? Also I'm thinkin dia comp levers for the M900 cantis. I'm hoping to get Grumpyone's salsa stem, perfect for this build. A couple of pieces have to come together, but I'm getting there, cheers
    I use shimano ultegra indexed 8sp. Rivendell was selling some very nice shifters. Any DT shifters can be retrofit to bar end plugs and on friction mode, will move any number of gears south of 8sp.
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    The single consolidated official drop bar thread-bontydrop-3_4tv.jpg

    My entry: Nitto dirt drop stem, Salsa bars, tecktro levers with Cannondale cross levers, 9 speed shimano bar end shifters.

    My Bonty has been through many transitions, but this is a favorite. I'd like to have a Bonty fork, but this Klein-Spinner does the trick.

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    Nice, but you must be awfully forward and deep with the drops so low, but if it works, it works for you. I know there will be some nay sayers, but I have a Bonty dirt drop project as my last project (RM2, salsa PM10 from someone here) and hopefully still a switchblade from near me, I think these Bonty DDs could catch on. I hope all your legs ache like mine tonight. Cheers, sorry GOB for my violations .

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    Another drop-bar Bonty

    This was a brief incarnation of my Race Lite.
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    I wasn't thrilled with the 700c wheels. It's a flat-bar 26er again now, and my drop bar MTB is a Moots YBB.

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    Hey guys: lower those brake levers and i promise you paradise.
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    mr C: The long quill will allow me to raise the bars a lot higher, it all works for me here. This shot may show position better.
    Colky: brakes match my cross bike position. I know it look funky, but again, feels right.
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    mr C: The long quill will allow me to raise the bars a lot higher, it all works for me here. This shot may show position better.
    Colky: brakes match my cross bike position. I know it look funky, but again, feels right.
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    It's amountain bike, to ride rougher trails than cx. On the CX bike you ride holding the hoods. On the mtn bike, once you lower the levers, you wil ride in the drops which gives you the necessary control on technical, risky terrain. You will feel better once you raise the hbars and lower the brake levers: you will ride "inside" the front of the bike and not on top of it. If you ride your cx downhill at speed on a technical trail while holding the brake hoods, you lose control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    It's amountain bike, to ride rougher trails than cx. On the CX bike you ride holding the hoods. On the mtn bike, once you lower the levers, you wil ride in the drops which gives you the necessary control on technical, risky terrain. You will feel better once you raise the hbars and lower the brake levers: you will ride "inside" the front of the bike and not on top of it. If you ride your cx downhill at speed on a technical trail while holding the brake hoods, you lose control.
    Can you post a picture of the proper set up?
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    The proper set up is what works for the person actually riding their bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDXdog View Post
    The proper set up is what works for the person actually riding their bike
    You haven't read all 12 pages of this thread have you

    But in all seriousness I agree. The "proper" dirt drop set-up doesn't work for me at all...too upright...makes the a bike feel like a low end hybrid.
    I prefer a more Tomac like set-up: long and low with drops near the fork crown.

    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    If you ride your cx downhill at speed on a technical trail while holding the brake hoods, you lose control
    I do ride downhill at speed on my 'cross bike on the hoods. I have the most control from that position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDXdog View Post
    The proper set up is what works for the person actually riding their bike
    Sure.. you try options on mountain bike trails and chose what's best.
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