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    Raleigh "The Edge"

    anyone know much about these? I've got a chance to pick up a real clean one for $150.00. All original except tires, seat and handlebars. Looks just like the one at First Flight( borrowed the picture). 24" rear and 26" front tire setup.....buy or pass? thanx guys
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    picture of the one for sale

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    Trialsy- woodsy bike

    If you want to give the trialsy- woodsy thing a try, then get it. The price seems right for entry, and it's a mildly interesting model, designed and influenced by John Oleson (sp?) a former magazine writer for Mountain Bike or one o those rags. I wouldn't consider it unless I was going to actually ride it. It might be a fun bike to plunk around on rock piles, logs, and steeps.

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    Get It! I love mine...and it WAY more than mildly interesting...It's a classic!!!

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    I'm with Richard. It is an outstanding bike and $150 is a good price for a clean one.

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    Aye - another vote for a classic bike. John Olsen aka Uncle Knobby?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    John Olsen aka Uncle Knobby?
    Umm.....wait a minute......I get confused. I think that's him. Capn' Dondo was the other one. Don Cuerdon? Pink Ibis dude, right?

    Anyway, buy the Raleigh!
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    you made me do it!

    The ayes have it. I bought it! heres what we got, the paint is actually shiny, the camera didn't pick it up. It's got some minor chips but hey, it's a mountain bike. Turns out the ex-owners husband was a Klein factory rider back in the ninetys. real interesting couple...thanx guys.
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    The frame is slightly different on mine - the cross-piece on the seat-stays is straight, not curved.

    That is a great pickup. Congrats.

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    what year?

    Quote Originally Posted by richieb
    Get It! I love mine...and it WAY more than mildly interesting...It's a classic!!!

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    I noticed yours has the brake on the seatstays, mine is a roller brake under the chainstays. also your cross brace on seatstays is straight, mine is curved. Any idea as to what year yours is? or mine? also mine doesn't have a canti-roller on the stem,cable just goes thru the top of the stem and straight down. I'm guessing mine is older, serial # "M7EM00039"
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    Mine has a rollercam under the chainstays and the straight cross brace. Serial number is M7IM11082

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    The first Edge was released in 1987...chainstay rollercam brake, etc...

    It the didn't appear in the 88 catalogue, then in 89 it appeared in all the buyers guides againwith the brake spec being the big difference. The later production (which i suspect was a 2nd 87 production that never sold that well in the first place) had a Dia Compe u brake mounted on the seatstay...the seatstay mounted brakes feel REALLY squishy due to the complete cable housing from lever to seatstay, the flexy 990 brake and the thin-ish seatstays.

    I have since switched to Deore U-brake and front canti in order to make the bike ridable.

    Oh, and I put on a bash ring...it IS a trials bike after all....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Umm.....wait a minute......I get confused. I think that's him. Capn' Dondo was the other one. Don Cuerdon? Pink Ibis dude, right?

    Anyway, buy the Raleigh!
    I think Uncle Knobby has been different people over the years. It could have also been Don Cuerdon at one point - and yes Capt. Dondo is the pink Ibis dude. Rumor is that he is going to be at First Flight Bikes Crossroad's Bike Festival with that big ole pink Ibis. Uncle Knobby could have also been John Kukoda at one time - where is bulC anyway? Those were spirited times.

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    When I bought my edge (bike for the wife) back in early 88, the bike shop had two bikes left, one with the suntour roller cams under the chainstays, and the other had canti's on the rear seat stays. This was a shock to me as I had been looking at the bikes and had never seen one with rear cantilevers. I left the shop and then called them back saying that I wanted the one with the canti set-up, but unfortunately some other lucky buyer managed to pick it up first. I have never seen another with rear canti's since, but I am glad I still have my(oh I mean my wifes!) edge which still hangs in like new condition in my garage.

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    If there is anyone out there with a raleigh edge with a seat stay mounted rear brake and it's in good shape let me know, I'd be interested in purchasing it, I have one and would very much like a spare. [email protected].

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    Good find Stan.
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    Looks like this thread has been idle for a while so here is my Edge. It's still under renovation .
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    raleigh "the edge"

    Very nice, What still needs to be done? how are the bearings? (bottom bracket,headset&wheel bearings) What's the condition of it overall, any concerns? If you where interested in selling it what kind of price where you thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott murray
    Very nice, What still needs to be done? how are the bearings? (bottom bracket,headset&wheel bearings) What's the condition of it overall, any concerns? If you where interested in selling it what kind of price where you thinking?
    Well, I had to replace the bottom bracket. The other bearings feel good. The rear wheel is not true. It has been enjoyed quite a bit. I have another one to throw on soon. The front wheel is very true but the cantilever front brakes were out of adjustment and wore the sidewall of the original IRC Trials Winner tire a tad (does anyone know where I could pick up some of these tires). Also, the front brake cable roller pulley is missing. So I temporarily put on the front Maguras and front wheel/tire from my C'dale which is what is in the picture. I may invest in a new set of Maguras for this little devil. The rear derailleur needs new pulleys. The chain needs replacing. When I got it, the freewheel had been replaced (now a 13-32 instead of original 13-26 according to Raleigh spec sheet) as were the shifters with Shimano Deore XT indexed units (I believe Raleigh did not put indexed shifters on until the Ď90ís according to http://www.mombat.org/Raleigh.htm: ďThere is no bike with the new Deore XT index group which is extremely popular in 1987.Ē ). I have the front derailleur and shifter as well as the 175mm cranks and chain rings (26/36/46). I put on 167.5 modified Specialized cranks with a 24 tooth chain ring. It has the original chainstay mounted Roller Cam brake and I am searching for different cams for it (if anyone knows where I can get just the cams give me a holler).

    For the type of technical trails you find in East coast woods biking, these are nice bikes; almost spot on, which is why I got it. Iím not a Trails rider but a technical trail rider (ala John Olsenís article "Technical Trail Riding" in Mountain and City Biking, November 1991). Iím too old to try and play bunny-hopper. I subscribe to the roll over method.

    The Edges ride/handling/geometry is close to what my Beast is except for the 24" rear wheel and 9 years older. The shortcoming of the Edge (as with the "Beast of the East" also) is the relatively long chainstays as compared to say an Ibis Mtn. Trials which I would just love to have. Do you think anyone would care if I used my torch to shorten them up a little? After all, it a Taiwanese made mass produced frame. (I have done this to other Taiwanese made frames and loved it except for the high stand over height. ) Why didnít John Olsen go for shorter chainstays to start with? Iím also toying with a 24Ē front wheel?!?! Where is John Olsen anyway? I really miss his articles .

    I have no plans to sell and if I did I wouldn't know what to ask.

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    raleigh "the edge"

    There is a suntour roller cam brake on ebay right now, the top of the line one with two different cam plates included you might want to check it out,, I looks to be in real good shape to rich for my blood but sure would like it. I have two edge's and love them both, bless you for designing them john olson, i'm going to try and get pictures of them and post them on this site so as to share them with fellow raleigh edge lover's, I don't blame you for not wanting to sell it, looks like it's real fun.

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    that gusset alone makes it worth having. totally awesome bikes.
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    The dude is like 120lbs, tops lol he can run any tires he wants without issues, i'm sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott murray
    i'm going to try and get pictures of them and post them on this site so as to share them with fellow raleigh edge lover's
    Can't wait to see them!!
    Even if they are all the same color!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by veloreality
    that gusset alone makes it worth having. totally awesome bikes.
    Stylewise, yes it is. It certainly sets these bikes apart.

    I wonder how functional they really are?

    Years ago John Olsen wrote an article in which he stated an opinion about gussets. But quite frankly, I can't remember what it was nor did I keep a copy of such. I think the article was about designing/building frames and it was in Mountain Biking.

    I wonder if he engineered it in or if it was added by Raleigh (Huffy) marketing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abaris
    Well, I had to replace the bottom bracket. The other bearings feel good. The rear wheel is not true. It has been enjoyed quite a bit. I have another one to throw on soon. The front wheel is very true but the cantilever front brakes were out of adjustment and wore the sidewall of the original IRC Trials Winner tire a tad (does anyone know where I could pick up some of these tires). Also, the front brake cable roller pulley is missing. So I temporarily put on the front Maguras and front wheel/tire from my C'dale which is what is in the picture. I may invest in a new set of Maguras for this little devil. The rear derailleur needs new pulleys. The chain needs replacing. When I got it, the freewheel had been replaced (now a 13-32 instead of original 13-26 according to Raleigh spec sheet) as were the shifters with Shimano Deore XT indexed units (I believe Raleigh did not put indexed shifters on until the Ď90ís according to http://www.mombat.org/Raleigh.htm: ďThere is no bike with the new Deore XT index group which is extremely popular in 1987.Ē ). I have the front derailleur and shifter as well as the 175mm cranks and chain rings (26/36/46). I put on 167.5 modified Specialized cranks with a 24 tooth chain ring. It has the original chainstay mounted Roller Cam brake and I am searching for different cams for it (if anyone knows where I can get just the cams give me a holler).

    For the type of technical trails you find in East coast woods biking, these are nice bikes; almost spot on, which is why I got it. Iím not a Trails rider but a technical trail rider (ala John Olsenís article "Technical Trail Riding" in Mountain and City Biking, November 1991). Iím too old to try and play bunny-hopper. I subscribe to the roll over method.

    The Edges ride/handling/geometry is close to what my Beast is except for the 24" rear wheel and 9 years older. The shortcoming of the Edge (as with the "Beast of the East" also) is the relatively long chainstays as compared to say an Ibis Mtn. Trials which I would just love to have. Do you think anyone would care if I used my torch to shorten them up a little? After all, it a Taiwanese made mass produced frame. (I have done this to other Taiwanese made frames and loved it except for the high stand over height. ) Why didnít John Olsen go for shorter chainstays to start with? Iím also toying with a 24Ē front wheel?!?! Where is John Olsen anyway? I really miss his articles .

    I have no plans to sell and if I did I wouldn't know what to ask.
    Just a point of clarification regarding the shifters on the Edge. I purchased my Edge new back in 88 and its still fairly close to original condition. I can tell you that it did come from the factory with Deore front and rear derailleurs and Deore indexed 6 speed thumbies. It also has Suntour hubs mixed with the shimano 6spd cluster....weird combo. Still a fun little bike to ride on tight technical trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N10S
    Just a point of clarification regarding the shifters on the Edge. I purchased my Edge new back in 88 and its still fairly close to original condition. I can tell you that it did come from the factory with Deore front and rear derailleurs and Deore indexed 6 speed thumbies. It also has Suntour hubs mixed with the shimano 6spd cluster....weird combo. Still a fun little bike to ride on tight technical trails.
    Hi Jeff,

    If you haven't posted any pics of your wifes Edge you should. It would be nice to see if all of them are the same color.... but seriously having a photos posted of an original Edge would help restorers.

    Indeed, product managers or whatever they called themselves back then, started mixing Shimano with Suntour components as well as Rear Suntour brakes with Dia-compe front units.

    I believe, after looking at the spec sheet at http://www.mombat.org/Raleigh_Specs.htm, Edges supposedly did not come with Deore XT. Certainly, they came with Deore SIS units.

    After rereading my earlier post it is obvious that I mixed wording "Deore XT" and "indexed shifting". It is a fine point between Deore and Deore XT but I believe the main difference is the shifter frame material, i.e., press metal vs alloy.

    Does yours have Deore XT or "just" Deore?

    I humbly apologize if I mislead anyone.

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    raleigh"the edge"

    Pictures of my two babies,the one without the tailight I bought brand new in I think in "88" it came with a di compe 981 front cantilever brake and a suntour roller cam rear, it came with deore thumbshifters and deore derailleurs (long cage rear) SIS system,It has a kona dh bar,shimano deore lx front cantilever brake and a deore xt u brake in back with a gorilla brake beefer brake brace,shimano deore xt short cage derailleur,shimano deore xt pedals,lock on grips,wtb moto raptor 26x2.24 front tire and piranha pro 24x2.10 rear tire,wtb seat and a threshold bashring. The one with the tailight has the same tire setup,shimano deore xt pedals,a shimano deore lx front cantilever brake and the suntour roller cam rear brake that originally came on the other bike ( the one with the tailight came with a dia compe 982 front cantilever and a dia compe 990 rear u brake and a wtb seat.
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    Beautiful!!! How do you decide which one to ride?
    Did the flat bars and those grips come on the one with the light and rear roller brake?

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    Yes, Both bikes came with that bar and grips, the grips and bar. by the way are really comfortable,That's the thing about the edge,strip it down to just the granny chainring in the front,take off the front derailleur and the thumbshifter, switch out the front brake with something better and put a shimano u brake or if your lucky and your's came with a roller cam rear brake use that on the back( the advantage with the u brake is you can use a brake brace with it,put a bashring on it or just use the tabs the middle and large chainrings mounted to to get a grip on logs your climbing over and your set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abaris
    Hi Jeff,

    If you haven't posted any pics of your wifes Edge you should. It would be nice to see if all of them are the same color.... but seriously having a photos posted of an original Edge would help restorers.

    Indeed, product managers or whatever they called themselves back then, started mixing Shimano with Suntour components as well as Rear Suntour brakes with Dia-compe front units.

    I believe, after looking at the spec sheet at http://www.mombat.org/Raleigh_Specs.htm, Edges supposedly did not come with Deore XT. Certainly, they came with Deore SIS units.

    After rereading my earlier post it is obvious that I mixed wording "Deore XT" and "indexed shifting". It is a fine point between Deore and Deore XT but I believe the main difference is the shifter frame material, i.e., press metal vs alloy.

    Does yours have Deore XT or "just" Deore?

    I humbly apologize if I mislead anyone.
    How many shades of salmon pink can there be? I do need to get some pictures of the bike. Its currently sitting in a bike carrier mounted to the top of my pop-up camper in my garage. My (wifes) Edge has Deore shifters and derailleurs not Deore XT. The Deore shifter clamps are pretty chintzy compared to the allow XT thumbie mounts. No harm at all on the comments either way, I just wanted to make sure to throwin with what I knew. I actually walked out to the garage to check because I wasn't absolutley sure on which derailluers it had.

    I actually had the Edge out this past fall for a ride.After riding a 29er for a while jumping on a 24" rear wheeled bike was a drastic change of pace (literally). Fun for the right techincal tight single track ride though, thats for sure.

    Jeff

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    Quote Originally Posted by N10S
    How many shades of salmon pink can there be? ...
    Jeff
    The so-called Raleigh Spec sheet indicates that the paint is Pastel Hot Red. But it does look PINK!!!
    Post some pics... just to make sure about the color....
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    Need Advice on Tires

    I have a Raleigh Edge and want to replace the Specialized Fat Boy Tires I have had on it for years. Apparently, this tire is no longer available in th 24-inch size. Any advice from Edge owner on a good, reasonably priced set of tires that can be had in both the 24 and 26 inch size. I prefer a high pressure road tire since I don't do much off trail riding.

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    Look into Maxxis Holy Rollers.....Not traditional but a nice tread design, good
    traction and fairly low rolling resitance.
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    Hi guys! This is John Olsen. I just discovered this thread (amazed to find it, actually). I was Uncle Knobby from 1994 until about 2002. I worked with Chris Murphy of Raleigh to inspire the edge and suggest geometry. Chris and the other folks at Raleigh were responsible for the gusset and the component choices. The geometry was based on the chainstay tubing and the limitations of the bending at that time. The 24" rear wheel was chosen because it was easier to make the chainstays shorter than with a 26" (duh), DESPITE the limited tire choices. Same with the first Cannondale MTB, which I consulted on too. Later, I helped a friend convert his Edge to a 26" rear. Anyway, I'd be glad to answer any questions, if I can remember the answers, that is!

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    Welcome aboard John. I came really close to buying one of those last week. Great price I just don't have the room.

    This thread might also spark your interest.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...ighlight=olsen

    and this one
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...ighlight=olsen

    here's one
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...ighlight=olsen

    and this one's really cool
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...ighlight=olsen

    I think Stan likes your stuff.

    edit: and great name, couldn't fit you better.

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    Welcome to VRC John,
    Always enjoyed your writing back in ther day...
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    Heck yeah! I had your guide book back in the day, yet never managed the rad log rolls...
    Saw a lady riding an Edge around town the other day, good thing I was seated at a restaurant at the time...
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    Hey John, glad you finally found us. I'm the one that e-mailed you about the Raven I've also got 2 Edges, a 24/26 C'Dale and an R&E Montana...yea, I kinda like your stuf f ..Tell us some stories please
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    Welcome John. I loved your writing back in the day. The piece on your first ride on clipless is a classic.

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    Gunfighter Eyes - Classic.

    Welcome to the group, John! You've got a couple fans in here.

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    And if you could post all of your wonderful articles from Mountain Biking, that would be sweet too! Awesome to have you here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeBike13
    Hi guys! This is John Olsen. ... Anyway, I'd be glad to answer any questions, if I can remember the answers, that is!
    Welcome. I am honored to be "in the e- presence" of such a grand penmen as you. You are one of the few blessed ones who have engineering talent and the ability to put into words that the rest of us have enjoyed in the past. Just having your name on the Chainstays of the Edge is such a remarkable tribute to your talents.

    In reference to your past articles in certain mountian biking magazines, I have been reluctant to post scanned copies of some of your old articles without your permission. Hopefully you have a complete set and willing to share. One of my favorites is "Technical Trail Riding." which I believe describes those who ride Edges.

    So here is are some questions for you:

    What is the tube (chainstays, top tube, seat tube and seat stays...and the rest of the tubes if you know) thickness and "butting" thickness and lengths if double-butted or triple-butted tubes were used. This frame seems lighter than the other products of Taiwan. Is the fact that a lug is used to join the top tube and seat tube mean thinner tubing is used
    Is it possible that the chain stays between the BB and the chain-stay cross support are of constant thickness?


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    I have a bike that John designed, built by Bushnell (?), pimped by Shoji of Side Trak, painted by Klien. The seatless "Strage Bike" was ridden by my wife all around the Puget Sound area in the early 90s and remains built up and hanging in the garage.

    We did a couple of rides with John on Martha's Nipple and Cap Sante up north. He is fun to ride with and wished to have done more. If John would publicly give an update to what he has been up to, would be interesting to his fans, but privacy is understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sven Trials
    I have a bike that John designed, built by Bushnell (?), pimped by Shoji of Side Trak, painted by Klien. The seatless "Strage Bike" was ridden by my wife all around the Puget Sound area in the early 90s and remains built up and hanging in the garage.

    We did a couple of rides with John on Martha's Nipple and Cap Sante up north. He is fun to ride with and wished to have done more. If John would publicly give an update to what he has been up to, would be interesting to his fans, but privacy is understood.
    Pics or it doesn't exist.
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    I will post picts of bike tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sven Trials
    I have a bike that John designed, built by Bushnell (?), .
    Dennis Bushnell is a pretty well known PacNW frame builder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sven Trials
    I will post picts of bike tomorrow.
    It is now tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abaris
    Look what's on ebay!!!
    Not sure it is worthwile to buy online from afar and pay shipping costs. With a little bit of patience you should be able to find one on your local CL.

    At least they show up around here fairly often. A unique frame that was produced in mass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abaris

    well..if thats "beautiful and well kept" my two are NOS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemmer
    Not sure it is worthwile to buy online from afar and pay shipping costs. With a little bit of patience you should be able to find one on your local CL.

    At least they show up around here fairly often. A unique frame that was produced in mass.
    That's the same one I nearly went for last week. All of 15 minutes away from me. More tempting at the lower price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by da'HOOV
    well..if thats "beautiful and well kept" my two are NOS
    Maybe they mean "beautifully well used and kept".

    If it wasn't for the shipping, $50 wouldn't be bad...but at lot of work to restore.
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    Picts of John Olsen designed bike

    I hope this works, I am a mantard with uploading crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sven Trials
    I hope this works, I am a mantard with uploading crap.

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    Damn computers
    Hit "Post Reply" button.

    When page with editable input window appears, SCROLL down and there is a box that indicates "Attach Files"
    In that box click "Upload images"
    Be aware of file size(s), they won't upload if too big.
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    Here are scanned pages from a John Olsen article called "Technical Trail Riding" in Mountain and City Biking, November 1991 pages 105-110.
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    Hope this works

    Lets try again
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    And here is a previous article by John Olsen called "The Lament of the Technical Trail Rider" in Mountain and City Biking, February 1990, page 13.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sven Trials
    Lets try again
    Very nice.
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    last try for picts

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    Nice. That looks like a fun bike. Thanks for posting the pics. Are the chain stays attached at the down tube?
    Zip ties? Not on my bike!

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    The chain stays are welded at the down tube and at the seat tube. Makes for a stiff rear.

    Got to like a stiff rear...

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    ^This^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sven Trials
    Hope this is it..
    Very cool.
    And this was your wife's bike? I'm impressed. My wife would probably prefer a bike without handlebars to one without a seat...

    Are (were) her trials skills equal to the bike?
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    yes indeed. The last competition she did with this bike was in '95 at a NORBA national at Mt. Spokane. It was fun to take pictures of her with Hans Rey and Lebor checking out the trials sections before competition. She now rides either a Transition covert or a Specialized SX trail on secret unnamed trails. Somewhere..

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    Here is where I was from 2001 to 2006, before I made a Texas-sized mistake:

    (note: I tried to post 2 of my favorite photos- don't know if it worked!)
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    Columbia River?
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    Yes, indeed! Max bonus points. That's an offshoot of the "Millenium" trail north and east of the town of Bingen, WA. You can see the Hood River Bridge in the background. That area has some of the best technical riding you will ever see, with lots of lava rock faces, infinite traction, and sheer terror.

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    I will Paypal $3.00 to the first person (other than Mr. Olsen) to PM me what the original name of The Edge was supposed to be before Raleigh changed it to The Edge.

    A hint - "No Name Too Mamby Pamby"

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    Actually ...Raleigh Llama..
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    Quote Originally Posted by abaris
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    Well done, Sir.

    PM me your Paypal address.

    Any idea what the "No Name too Mamby Pamby" reference was alluding to?


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    I stand by my answer "Raleigh Llama" read the second post, forth paragraph, direct from Johns article.....but no problems, facts here are irrelevant.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...ighlight=olsen
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    I'll explain....

    Quote Originally Posted by richieb
    Brand - Raleigh

    Model - Llama
    ...the "joke" with the name is when it was said together..."Raleigh Llama"..the problem was the obvious rhyme with "Dalai Lama" ...they didn't want religious repercussions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richieb
    Well done, Sir.

    PM me your Paypal address.

    Any idea what the "No Name too Mamby Pamby" reference was alluding to?

    Keep your money.

    Let John Olsen know how much we all appreciated his writing back then.
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    Pederson SE brakes on my Edge.. No more rollercam blues!!!
    Although, I can now flex my seatstays!!!!
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    Hey just to let the rest of you know dmr tires makes a moto digger tire in a 24x2.1 size and a moto rt in a 24x2.2 size of which the rt is more of a street trail tire and the moto digger is more a looser soil tire, been a while since i've been on this site, WELCOME ABOARD JOHN OLSEN and thanks for designing some of the coolest bikes to ever come along, 26/24's ROCK

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    Abaris could you please show us more pictures of your edge,

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    Thank you, Scott! Glad I bumped into the site!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott murray
    Abaris could you please show us more pictures of your edge,
    I'll try to post some tonight!
    Maybe John could post a pic or two of an edge that he might have!!

    So here is a question for John Olsen, Who chose the paint color for the Edge?
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    Chris Murphy, the marketing genius for Raleigh at the time, chose the color, and I think he was responsible for the jagged gussets on the head tube as well. Chris was/is an extremely energetic and enthusiastic cyclist who I took on one of my Northwest trail rides (which included about 50 2' log crossings and a bunch of 30 degree climbs, so a "trials ride") on the Tiger Mountain Trail from the Highway 18 side of Tiger Mountain, near Issaquah WA in 1985 or 6. He got so fired up by it, that he started the Edge project. I based the geometry on bikes that I had been building for myself (you couldn't ride those trails on commercial bikes at that time), and Chris added the bling. He is quite a guy!

    My payment for the Edge (I basically only did the geometry and "starred" in the ads) was 2 Edges. I sold one somewhere along the way, and have kept one in near new shape, but somehow missing the front brake! Anybody got a front brake with the old "wrong side" return spring?

    Fondly,

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeBike13
    My payment for the Edge (I basically only did the geometry and "starred" in the ads) was 2 Edges. I sold one somewhere along the way, and have kept one in near new shape, but somehow missing the front brake! Anybody got a front brake with the old "wrong side" return spring?

    Fondly,

    John Olsen
    hmmm. I just took off the dia-comp 982s (or 985s, whichever) off mine (and put on Pedersons and I have an extra set of Pedersons)....I'm not a resto/vintage traditionalist but I think the Pedersons are nearly period correct....but I guess I'm not sure what John means by 'the old "wrong side" return spring".............hmmmmmm...yeah, I think I could part with the original dia-comps....by the way, how do you tell the year of manufacture of the Edge?

    For Scott Murray,
    If your riding in the mud and have "mud" tires on and come to a bunch of rocks, which tire should I choose, the moto diger or the rt? How soft a compound, and all the other etc techno stuff?

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    The moto digger is the more aggressive tire made for softer soils, the rt is more of a street and hardpack dirt tire I just came across them doing a general search on yahoo on cannondale's sm 600 just look on the net under dmr moto digger tires, Don't know the specs. on them other then the moto digger comes in a 24x2.1 which should fit your edge's chainstays. I run irc piranha pro's 24x2.1 on the back of my two edge's, there is a trail near where I live used to be an old 4x4 jeep trail real rocky, rocky ledges, loose rocks and my piranha pro's hook up amazingly well on them though it kind of chews them up but softer compound tires wear out faster that is the trade off for super traction but this trail has ALOT of sharp rocks brutal trail great workout though, anyways got about 12 set's from a bike shop in new york I think it was, that was selling a pair on ebay, contacted them asked them how many they had and bought a bunch so I wouldn't have to worry about back tires for a while, also arrow racing had a 24x2.1 wire bead tire that had a nice narly looking tread on them, think I saw them on cambria bikes website.

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    Me again, ran out of room rambling on, anyhow I'm sorry mr. olsen I have none of my old brake parts or I would gladly send them to you, abaris I hope this was of some help, anything I can do to help out a fellow edge owner.

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    Mr. Olsen Sir,
    Is this what you are looking for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott murray
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    Hi Scott,
    For what it is worth:
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    Hey John, I saw an Edge at Kurt Long's place and I thought he got it from you. Am I confused?

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    Hi abaris, What do you mean for what it's worth your bike looks trick that's got to be a blast to ride, What kind of bar is that I like the shape and bend of it, So tell me about those pedersen brakes those this look beefy how do they work? You say you have an extra set do you mean one single brake or two? Would you be interested in maybe selling them? If not do you know where or if you can still get those? Your bike looks really nice the way you've got it set up. Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott murray
    Hi abaris, What do you mean for what it's worth your bike looks trick that's got to be a blast to ride, What kind of bar is that I like the shape and bend of it, So tell me about those pedersen brakes those this look beefy how do they work? You say you have an extra set do you mean one single brake or two? Would you be interested in maybe selling them? If not do you know where or if you can still get those? Your bike looks really nice the way you've got it set up. Scott
    I have to admit it does look radical does it not? AND It is a blast to ride. I don't ride it as much as I should...work...time...muddy trails not open....etc...

    Good eye on the handle bars! They started as NASHBAR downhill bars which are not listed on their site anymore. I got them about 11-12 years ago and have been on my Cannondale Beast until this winter. I also "cold set" them to have more sweep-up (or back depending on your point of view) to match my natural wrist angle when riding. They are extremely comfortable. So much for bars...but it is Friday nite...

    The Pederson SE brakes work as the best brake I can put on right now short of discs, v brakes or Manguras. Mr. StrangeBike13 tells me "they don't work well going backwards but on a good day...". I can literally bend the seat stays and the "Big Cheese" adapter with them. And I mean bend and rotate. I can do the same with the Manguras on the C-dale without the brace on them so it sort of suggests I need a rear brake brace. I actually put the Manguras on for a short time, but boy did the seat stays flex then. I was afraid I was going to twist/bend the stays permanently. The "Big Cheese" adapter just isn't stiff enough by itself. (I have consulted with one of the TOP bike experts in the world and I believe he might suggest disc brakes. So I search now for a disc adapter for the rear.) That said, I can lock the rear wheel at will (that's the great thing about well set up Pedersons SE brakes), even though it feels like SpongeBob on a rainy day. Oh they only mount to V-brake/canti mounts; not to U brake or roller-cam mounts.

    I have an extra set of Pederson SE's (I think I'm spelling that right), 1 front and 1 rear as they are location specific (unless you want to go backwards or turn your fork around 180 degrees). I will PM you about them. You would have to get an adapter.

    The Edge to me is more of an "emotional" thing as this is the bike I "lusted" after (until I read about Ibis Mountain Trials or the early C-dale 26/24's , sorry StrangeBike13; However, I haven't been able to find an Ibis and today they are prrriiiccceeeyyy if you can find one.) The Edge's geometry is almost identical to the C-dale "Beast of the East"...That said, when the tough trails come along, I would rather be on the Beast. The bottom bracket on the Edge seems to flex more than the Beast and so do the wheels as well; but it is 10 years older than the C-dale.

    Like the Beast, the Edge climbs well as long as you stay planted on the seat. Moving forward off the seat on STEEP CLIMBS is wheel spin city. Ny experience is that this would be easily remedied by shortening the chainstays...which I just haven't had the "heart" to do yet even though I have consulted with one of the TOP frame experts in the world.

    If I could only talk StrangeBike13 into a swap... DiaCompe 982s for shortened stays...seems like a reasonable barter to me.

    Wow. I guess that's enough for now.

    Thanks for the interest Scott and I will PM you about the SE's.

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    Hi abaris, How does the lower arms of your big cheese mount to your seatstays?

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    Do any of you guy's know how I would go about converting u brakes bosses over so as to be able to run pedersen se brakes on the back of my edge? My back brake is seatstay mounted not under the chainstay's. Thanks for any help, Scott

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    The Scott/Pedersen u-Brake was available in a seatstay mount model - you have to look around, though.

    I have one on the back of my Ibis Mt Trials.

    https://farm1.static.flickr.com/84/2...872_z.jpg?zz=1

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    Thanks, I guess i'll keep an eye out for one on ebay, By the way I've checked out your site vintage fat, saw your pictures of the restoration of your Mt Trials and let me say that is the most beautiful one I've ever seen, alot of time, effort, money, and love went into that restoration and let me tell you it shows, that has to be a blast to ride, I so envy you.

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    That is one beautiful bike....I hope you don't ride it in the rough and get it all scratched up...incredible...I wish I had one.

    Scott, I know of NO adapter for u brakes to cantis. Mine had the chainstay type roller cam.

    richieb, do they make one for the upside down under chainstay position as it would have to have the opposite rotation helical gear in it.
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    Yes, there are chainstay Pedersen U-Brakes as well - just like the one on the FRONT of my Ibis...they're actually a little more common. A well tuned roller cam on a chainstay is a superior brake, though.

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    Mine finally posted here

    All of these have me taking another look at mine. Here is the one I have that looks OK and is completely stock except for maybe the seat. Roller brake version though. Anyone have the saddle like mine on their bike? I don't use it, wall hanger, but seems it's time for me to clean it up, new cables, grease and a little TLC.








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    One more thing, are the bars upside-down? Sure look like it to me.
    Too many bikes, and just enough time to ride them.

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    Bars look bent te me, actually.

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    Uh oh...

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    uh oh is right......what up with that?
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    Hey proto 2000, Good looking bike, I don't think the bar is bent, I have that same bar on one of my edge's, looks exactly the same just a strange looking bar but it's comfortable. Nice bike

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    I agree with Scott. I have my original bar and it looks bent but it's not.
    Is your bike Restored or Original and to what extent is it not?
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    Thanks. Great to know that it was made that way, just looks odd. Mine is all original down to the tires. It's missing the front wheel reflector and the left shift cover and possibly the saddle, all easy parts to find. I do have the rear red reflector on the rack that came with the bike so I just have to move it over to the frame.
    Too many bikes, and just enough time to ride them.

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    Oddly, that textured saddle is OE spec on that bike.

    I have a spare shifter cover if you need it...

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    Hey proto 2000, It's a good looking little bike, Just ride it and enjoy it, it you have any issue's just come to this forum these guy's will help you out.

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    Hi richieb, How do the deore xt brakes that you put on your edge work, Doe's the front one work nice and smooth, I have deore lx front cantilever brakes , I think there the style that came right before v brakes, on both my edge's and they both have a pulsating grap to them (hard to explain) the harder you use the brake the more pronounced it is, Both bikes have the stock araya rm 25 rims on them, it feels kind of like the rims have a blip in them but they have been trued and spin smooth, Want model # is your front brake? I'm wondering if it's a leverage thing in the design of the newer canilevers compared to the older ones like the 731's, I'm perplexed and it drives me nuts. I've also found that even with the newer cantilever in front and the deore xt u brake in back the brakes are still nothing to write home about, pictures of both my bike's are in this forum, any thought's ? Thanks Scott

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    Hey guy's our forum is now up to 3 pages long WE ROCK!! Scott

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    richieb, I kinda thought it was since the rest of the bike looks untouched. I could use it for sure. I have a spare set but I don't want to cannibalize them for a cover. I'll PM you with contact info. Thanks.
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    Scott, RM25's are the cause if you pulsing brakes. They have a welded seam that is machined to 1987 accuracy tolerances - they are renowned for brake pulse.

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    richieb- Thank you for the feedback, abaris also said it was my rims, I put my wife's cruiser front wheel on my edge just to see after I got abaris's message and that seemed to fix it, Thanks so very much. scott

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    Hey abaris, don't know if you got my last couple of messages to you but you were right about the rim. Thanks so much for the help you guy's ROCK. Scott

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    So, John olsen we havn't heard from you lately are you still out there, You know I was thinking I bet a new 26 front 24 rear wheeled technical trail bike like the edge or the old cannondale's would be REAL popular these day's say with a rigid frame, 13 inch bottom bracket, good powerful v brakes, 15 or 151/2 chainstay length, sloping top tube, short wheelbase, man I'm drooling already, I'd buy one, What do you think? Scott

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    So John, Some more thought's on the bike, a single front chainring with a short cage rear derailleur and some gears in the back, seat and chainstays designed to accomadate today's 2.5 and 2.7 inch 24 inch downhill tires so there would be a good choice in tires available, Keep it simple and basic to keep the cost down and so the average person could work on it themselves, A nice wide downhill bar, sealed cartridge bearing hubs ( no maintaince, just pop out the old and pop in the new ones when the time comes) ditto with the bottom bracket, double wall sun rhyno lite rims, get the rights from shimano for the old orginal deore xt pedals and start remaking those, put a pair of those on it, (you are right about those best pedals ever made) I'd buy two.
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    A Post for you Scott (But it really does not belong here)!
    (However, another Olsen derivative...although 1 generation removed...perhaps a grand-bike????!!!
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    Bob, oh man that is SWEET !! magura hydraulic brakes? You use the middle chainring for a bashring I don't see a front derailluer?Dual 26 inch wheels? Like that bar looks like it works real good, those brakes mount on standard cantilever post's don't they? Man that looks wicked awesome, I can only imagine how fun that must be to take on an all day ride, I'm wiping the drool off my computer screen at this very moment, I'm jealous !!! Nice stable you have there, so which is your favorite I'm guessing the beast? That would be my choice, Man I wish I bought one of those back in the day. VERY VERY NICE !! Thanks for the picture. Scott

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    Hey Bob, I've been noticing while looking at images of other beast of the east cannondale's that the rear dropout's on some of them extend way beyond the point where the stays meet and where dropout's are normally located looks like the chainstay length could be about two inches shorter on these bike's where your's are what's up with that? Scott

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    Maybe there is a Cannondale "Beast of the East" Thread?
    Maybe Mr Olsen could tell us?
    Maybe we should start a Mr. John Olsen Design and Derivative Thread!!
    Or Maybe this just becomes that????
    What do you all think????
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    Well hey how about the john olsen cool creations forum, Anyways the edge and the old cannondale's and john all tie in together so I think it' all good, Design and derivative, I like that. Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott murray View Post
    Well hey how about the john olsen cool creations forum, Anyways the edge and the old cannondale's and john all tie in together so I think it' all good, Design and derivative, I like that. Scott
    Togetherness.
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    Very nice, But you know I honestly think I like the look"s of the edge a little more now that I see them up close together, not that I don't think the beast isn't cool looking cause it is, There's just something about the edge, Guess that's why I have two, I've got that picture, copied it off the net. If you go to http:// www. retrobike.co.uk/forum/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=22730 there is an old mountain biking test article on the edge, blew me away when I found it, I used to have that magazine. Scott

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    I'm sure it's the paint.
    however, the Beast easily out performs the Edge, not to say the Edge is bad.

    The link you posted doesn't seem to work.
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    Okay, Here is what you do, Go to www.retrobike.co.uk, Click on gallery&archive, Click on gallery 2, Click on manufacturer archive, Click on page 3, Click on raleigh archive, Click on reviews, I just checked it and the article is still there, Havn't been there in a long !!! time, Just took a few minutes to find it again, Man, my brain hurt's now, ENJOY!! Let me know if you find it or not

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    Hey bob, I'm sure the beast doe's outperform the edge, I bet if the chainstay's were a little shorter the beast would be just about spot on at being an ideal techinical trail bike, That is one sweet beast you have there, Let me know if you have any trouble finding that site, I just followed the instruction's I gave you and it took me right to the article, Scott

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    That's funny - those are my scans with Retrobike wordmarks on them.

    Never knew they stole over there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by richieb View Post
    That's funny - those are my scans with Retrobike wordmarks on them.

    Never knew they stole over there...
    and did you have permission to scan and post those articles in the first place?

    stealing? whatever
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    I hereby give authorization for all pictures to be used everywhere.

    That is my only authority, and even that is self-granted. So grain of salt, grain of salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeBike13 View Post
    I hereby give authorization for all pictures to be used everywhere.

    That is my only authority, and even that is self-granted. So grain of salt, grain of salt.

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    ...they're a petty lot here John. But I'm glad you cleared it up
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    Stan, I'm confused. At what point was i petty?

    Oh well. I'm just bummed they farmed my scans without telling me. It's legal, but ethically questionable.

    When I want to post the fruits of someone else's labor, I at least give them the heads up.

    But, this is your forum after all, so the rules of your reality, as always, apply.

    My mistake.

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    Rep power is lagging Stan...
    Too many bikes, and just enough time to ride them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richieb View Post
    That's funny - those are my scans with Retrobike wordmarks on them.

    Never knew they stole over there...
    it gets worse.
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    da'Hoov, not sure who you're calling out as petty but maybe keep the personal attacks out of the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richieb View Post
    Stan, I'm confused. At what point was i petty?

    Oh well. I'm just bummed they farmed my scans without telling me. It's legal, but ethically questionable.

    When I want to post the fruits of someone else's labor, I at least give them the heads up.

    But, this is your forum after all, so the rules of your reality, as always, apply.

    My mistake.
    I didn't mean to ruffle anyones feathers, I just find it funny when people repost pics, scans etc. it seems like someone invariably says "hey, those are my XXXX" . I just think it's petty, nothing more, nothing less.

    and "my reality" doesn't even apply to my reality ....whatever and wherever that may be :eek

    no mistake made, no need to apologize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyButterfly View Post
    da'Hoov, not sure who you're calling out as petty but maybe keep the personal attacks out of the forum.
    no personal attack was made, just a general observation....but thanx fo your concern...
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    rep power?

    Quote Originally Posted by proto2000 View Post
    Rep power is lagging Stan...
    wow, my "rep power" whatever the hellllo that is , went from 4 to 0 in one day


    edit: just read the announcement on "Rep Power" ....kinda like the voting on American Idol
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    Quote Originally Posted by da'HOOV View Post
    wow, my "rep power" whatever the hellllo that is , went from 4 to 0 in one day

    They finally fixed the bug that was causing inaccurate readings.
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    Mr. John olsen, Are you still out there, In your article techinical trailriding you say to put a longer stem on the edge, how much longer and how will that improve the bikes performance? Thanks Scott

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    Tell ya what. When we did the Edge, I was still building bikes with relatively short top tubes based on my first mountain bike, a Mongoos Kos Kruiser BMX bike modified with gears and built up for trail/trials use. My buddy in LA, Ron Murakami, was telling me about bikes with longer top tubes, but I didn't beleive him. When I finally rode a long top tube bike, it really was better! Unfortunately, the Edge was done by then. So I rapidly came to prefer a longer top tube, even for trialsy riding, mainly because you had more room for climbing, went over the bars less coming off of huge logs, and it just fit my 6' frame better. So for me, the cockpit of a stock Edge is too short, but it may not be for you if you are shorter. If you're 6' or taller, you need a longer stem!

    Of course, they also put a seat post on it that was 1" too short for me to be able to ride it, but that's another story...

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    Hi John, Thanks for the info, Scott.

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    Any time, my friend!

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    How about another related equipment question? I understand that the tires were irc trials winners on these bikes which I believe are not made anymore. But back then I seem to remember an article/column you wrote in which you priased Specialized Ground Control tires as being the cats meow in mtb tires. I see that both 24 and 26 inch tires are available from the likes of bikepro.com. would these be sufficient to fill the gap for a "period correct" technical trail tire?
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    Keep in mind that everything that I wrote in the 80's was wrong. Given that, the IRC Trials Winners were good tires on hard pack and dry logs and rocks, but they filled up horribly in mud. The Ground Control tires cleared mud notably better (if not as well as Storm Controls). For real riding, the GC's would look period AND function well on most rides- I'd go that way!

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    The guy we hired to install our radon mitigation system, his name is Stan and bought his Edge brand new in Denver and up till 2 weeks ago was still riding on the OEM front tire!
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeBike13 View Post
    Keep in mind that everything that I wrote in the 80's was wrong. Given that, the IRC Trials Winners were good tires on hard pack and dry logs and rocks, but they filled up horribly in mud. The Ground Control tires cleared mud notably better (if not as well as Storm Controls). For real riding, the GC's would look period AND function well on most rides- I'd go that way!
    Would Storm Controls be better?
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    storm controls

    No, Storm Controls were the ultimate tire for NW muddy trails- they didn't load up, and if you kept the wheel turning you kept moving. For most riding, they had way too little edge and area on the ground. They were perfect Anacortes, WA Winter Tires. Of course, our terrain and geology meant that we could ride in mud without damaging the trails, unlike, say, SoCal.

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    So what would you think is best for the East Coast woods bikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeBike13 View Post
    No, Storm Controls were the ultimate tire for NW muddy trails- they didn't load up, and if you kept the wheel turning you kept moving. For most riding, they had way too little edge and area on the ground. They were perfect Anacortes, WA Winter Tires. Of course, our terrain and geology meant that we could ride in mud without damaging the trails, unlike, say, SoCal.
    So what would be best for the East Coast woods bikes?
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    By the way the offer on the DiaComp brakes still stands!
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    If you want vintage looks, the Ground Controls would work the best in some mud/some dry. The 24" wheel limits your choices so much- My apologies!

    I adopted a friend's Edge to a 26" rear wheel, and it worked great. The wheel/tire fit fine, but I might have had to move one of the bridges (chainstay or seatstay). We also spread the drops to accomodate a 135mm spacing wheel for modern 9-speed. Unfortunately, we did enough brazing that he had to repaint it.

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    Hi Bob, Ground controls were around the exact same time farmer john's were, 26x1.95 and 24x1.95, Yes sir, Back then ground controls were the bee's knee's, They still make a ground control, but I'm sure the tread design is different by now, Plus do they still make it in a 24 inch for the back? Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeBike13 View Post
    I adopted a friend's Edge to a 26" rear wheel, and it worked great. The wheel/tire fit fine, but I might have had to move one of the bridges (chainstay or seatstay). We also spread the drops to accomodate a 135mm spacing wheel for modern 9-speed. Unfortunately, we did enough brazing that he had to repaint it.
    Does that change the head angle much? and bottom bracket height?

    I recently just ran into the 126 vs 135 mm spacing issue....it sucks.

    and When you repainted it, did you paint it PINK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott murray View Post
    Hi Bob, Ground controls were around the exact same time farmer john's were, 26x1.95 and 24x1.95, Yes sir, Back then ground controls were the bee's knee's, They still make a ground control, but I'm sure the tread design is different by now, Plus do they still make it in a 24 inch for the back? Scott
    I have a 24" GroundControl now. However, I bought it like 12 years ago....
    I see a difference in the tread.....so I'm puzzled by what you mean...

    So StrangeBike13, which would be better, the ground control or the Farmer John rear...Both are supposedly available in 24"....And now a days with 24" Trials becoming a bigger item, the 24" tire market is opening up... What an idea!!!! Convert a Raleigh Edge to a 24" Trials bike!!!!!!!!! Supreme idea don't ya think?!?!?!? Now what would anyone name that???? (Llama...hehehehehe).....

    (images from http://www.bikepro.com and http://www.mombat.org/MOMBAT/PartsForSalePages).

    ouch, I think i slipped on a banana peal, fell and hit my head.....
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    Here is a pic of a Farmer John (26") after a little east coast fun.
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    DiaCompes!

    Thank you, Abaris- I'll take you up on that. do you have a private email?

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    I never had much luck with the Farmer Johns, but I didn't spend too much time on them. Where I ride, mud is a frequent companion, so any rear tire had to be able to clear mud well. Ground Controls did OK, and the Farmer Johns seemed a bit more "pluggy". I don't know about 24" trials, but 20" trials tires are pretty heavy, almost like little motorcycle tires, with nicely sticky rubber. I loved them for moist rock and logs. I built a 20" tirals bike in about 87, and rode the pants off of it because those tires (michelins) were so much more grippy than any of the plastic mountain bike tires of the day.

    And yes, the 26" rear wheel did steepen the head angle about 1 degree, and my buddy painted it an odd flesh tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeBike13 View Post
    Thank you, Abaris- I'll take you up on that. do you have a private email?

    John Olsen
    Certainly. I will PM you my email address.

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    I'm converting my edge's over to single speed, I'm using the old freewheel, fourth gear, the chainline is straight in that gear, I shortened the chain down as much as I could, I'm going to take the bike to the shop and have them put in some half links to see if they can dial in the correct chain tension, if not I'm going to go with a chain tensioner mounted off the rear derailleur mount,What kind of chain tensioner do you guys recommend? Scott

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    If you use a 24 front then a 24 or 20 or a 16 works without a chain tensioner.
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    Hi Bob, Thanks for the info. the other bike has a 24 front chainring so that will come in handy, Thanks Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott murray View Post
    Hi Bob, Thanks for the info. the other bike has a 24 front chainring so that will come in handy, Thanks Scott
    If you use a 26 in front then a 26, 22, 18, or 14 works in the rear with no chain tensioner (assuming you have a decent chain that is).

    I hope you realize that single speed low enough to do Trials/Technical Trails is a rough ride to get to where you go off road...so I hope your transporting to the trail heads!!!
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    I may be slow but I'm sure not fast, Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott murray View Post
    I may be slow but I'm sure not fast, Scott
    No problemo!
    24/24 will give you a gear made to go not fast of 24 gear inches.

    To answer your original question, i road a 32/28 which gives 27 gear inches and i thought that to be too low for a single speed. I could climb almost anything but on the flats i was a spining turtle. So i changed to a 24/16 whichis like 36 gear inches and the flats weren't nearly so bad (mind you, off road east coast woods narrow singletrack) but this old bod had trouble on the hills......too steep a gear for this bag of bones.

    Next step for me is to try a 20/16 which should be around 30 inchers.
    So hey, if you think you're not fast, I'm even more not faster.....

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    I used to run single speeds on my trials bikes for one season because I spent so much time knocking rear deraillers off on the big rocks we have out here, especially in the motorcycle trials sections I used to ride. My Mongoos Kos Kruiser frame had horizontal drops, so I didn't have trouble getting the chain tight but single speeds are a pain. Chain tension gets off, and then you throw the chain. Oh, or the trails organizers throw in a long loop, and then you wish you had your derailler back again. In the end, I went back to deraillers with a gaurd, and never went back. Plus, back then, I was a monster, and could push a 35" gear up anything. THAT'S long gone!

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    I here that, What happened to the good old days? I'm converting one of my edge's to singlespeed, I'm using the freewheel,picking the gear with the best chainline, 4th gear, shortening my chain,going to use some half links to try and get it as close as I can, (thinking of going to a half link chain) then using a chain tensioner to take up the rest,Looking at what's out there I think I want a non spring loaded one like the rennen, What do you guy's think on chain tensioner's, spring loaded or non spring loaded, I just want to do this once, So John where can we go to see footage of old school trials, back when they pedaled through sections, pictures of the old trials bikes, maybe old articles, I enjoy the old stuff, the new stuff, 20 inch wheels, hopping everywhere, there amazing don't get me wrong, I just liked the old way more, Thanks Scott

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    Scott, if you're using a freewheel, there is a great rear freewheel out there with very, very rapid engagement- 72 points, versus 18 or so on a standard freewheel. It's the White Industries Trials freewheel- http://www.whiteind.com/singlespeedg...reewheels.html. Just thought I'd share that.
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    A fast engagement would be wonderful! Also, trails is really hard on freewheels, and the multi-tooth jobs are a lot stronger. I used to eat Shimano freewheels for lunch. Shimano sent me an early Hone group once to try out. I broke the (standard, XT-type) cassette freehub pawls on my first ride. I bought another, redid the rear wheel, and broke the new one a week later. I called Shimano and told them they had a problem. They sent be a box of a dozen freehub bodies, and I went through it in 5 months. Now, I was 230 lbs, strong, and loved very steep climbs (Scappoose, Mini-Moab, Post Canyon for you Portlandians), but still- shouldn't they be designing with a bit of margin? Sigh.

    I too miss rolling trials, bigtime! As soon as hopping, which I suck at, came in, I knew that my time as local rooster was over! I liked the rolling trials because it's really just distilled difficult trail riding, which is my main love... Sigh (again)

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    The white industries trials freewheel is only 18T. So that means a 22 or 26 chain ring. That's 30 gear inches or 35 gear inches. If ur like me then the 22 is the better option.

    Rolling trials seems to be the old school forrunner to technical trail riding.

    Single Speed Technical Trail Riding (SSTTR) is a good way to get in shape fast and hone your bike handling skills at the same time!

    Ya got to love it! Go for it Scott!!
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    Thanks for the info. uphiller, Scott

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    Thanks for the info guy's, Hey john How about a custom fit bashplate for the raleigh edge, like an onza, that would be so cool and handy, with like little traction grooves on the bottom to grip on logs, seriously, is there any you know of that would work on an edge? Scott

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    Skid plates... but wait

    There are or were some clamp-on bash plates around. I got a Monty unit and fitted it to my 20" bike, but I had to braze fitting on. Another approach that might work even better is something I haven't seen anybody else do. You get a left side crank from a mountain tandem, which is a drive side crank with pedal threads for the left hand pedal. You install a mid-position, small, rock ring on both right and left cranks, and now you have a rolling skid plate, one that is nice and wide, so that you can sit on top of a log all day while to gather fear concerning the descent off of said log. You just need to find a tandem crank with the same small and middle ring bolt circles.

    Snazzy, what? I had this on one bike back in the 80's, and it worked fabu.

    And yes, rolling trials in the 80s were basically just the really hard parts of trails, and it's just like riding a technical trail, but with observers and spectators! I miss it. I put such events on from 82 to 87, and then the hoppers had taken over, and I didn't have much interest or skill in hopping...

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    Here is a source from a reliable e-shop I use all the time. Others will have them too. Make sure you match your crank lengths! Going to 2 180mm cranks would be good too.

    http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...&category=1628

    Tell them Uncle Knobby sent you, and they will charge you slightly more.

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    And as for bash plates, check out this very cool shop:

    http://trialspads.com/shop/bash-plates.html

    They have LOTS of good single speed, trailsy stuff. They may deserve our support!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeBike13 View Post
    Here is a source from a reliable e-shop I use all the time. Others will have them too. Make sure you match your crank lengths! Going to 2 180mm cranks would be good too.

    http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...&category=1628

    Tell them Uncle Knobby sent you, and they will charge you slightly more.
    I don't get why you cant use two of the same with square taper? Is it an offset issue, i.e. slamming into chain stays?

    I don't see 180s there. But Im sure other places would have them.
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    Bob, you do have to worry about clearance, and you might have to get a different BB. But the main thing is that pedals are right-hand threaded on one side of the bike, and left hand threaded on the other side, so if you ran two right side crank drive arms, you would have to buy two right side pedals, which means you buy two sets of pedals! Tandem arms usually are just drive side arms (right side) but with left side arm pedal threading. If you go this way, make sure that the left side tandem arm DOES have both sets of holes so that you can mount a rock ring to it to match the current drive or right side crank arm, or there's no point in doing it. Tandem arms could provide just the bigger bolt circle, but that's OK as long as syou can get the right size of rock ring for it.

    So the issues could be: 1. does the new tandem arm clear my frame? 2. Does the tandem arm have the right bolt circle to allow me to mount the same size rock ring as on my current drive side crank arm? 3. Should I just buy a skid plate for $51?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeBike13 View Post
    But the main thing is that pedals are right-hand threaded on one side of the bike, and left hand threaded on the other side, so if you ran two right side crank drive arms, you would have to buy two right side pedals, which means you..
    ...would have to pedal backwards on the left side to keep the pedal from coming off????

    So why was it that only old Chrysler products had left hand thread on the left hand wheel nuts??????

    Does it really mater......

    I really don't know......

    I also used to run my Piranha Pro TC front tire backwards.... but someone told that was the reason I was so slow.....
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    No, you have to pedal with your right foot under the pedal. This is very difficult to master if you have a very low saddle.

    I think a little blue loctite would solve all problems! And as for Chrysler, I own a Chrysler. Don't even go there!

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    I own one also.............and an Edge............hmmmmmmmmm.................
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    The stereo probably works better on the edge, and the transmission is less likely to explode!

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    Hey John, A bash ring on both sides that would look so trick, I bet that would work great on logs, So I was looking at the site you mentioned, trialspads.com and I think I found my chain tensioner, the trialtech race fixed tensioner, It's out of stock right now so I'll contact them, see when they will have more, check it out, tell me what you think, Scott

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    That seemed like a good tensioner- maybe that's why it's out of stock! Handy website, too. The two bash ring settup worked well for me, but it was a lot of monkey business to set up. Well, more money than monkey, I guess.

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    Hi John, Nice website, little bit of everything, I'm going to contact them in the next couple weeks, see if they are going to be getting more, can't beat that price either, You don't by any chance have any pictures of the two bashring settup you had you could possibly show us, Doing logs with that kind of settup would be cool, very clever, Sounded like a lot of work but it sure would be a cool settup to have on a bike, Scott

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    That was well back in the pre-digital camera days, and I wasn't much of a photographer, I'm afraid! The two ring trick worked well, especially on logs or wide obstacles, and I'd recommend it. The only thing against it is that it costs some extra money to do.

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    Hey John!
    I found some UmmaGumma 24x2.5 SWorks tires.
    I know there big (wide) and actually clear the seat stays!
    However, the chainstays are almost exactly the same width as the tire.
    So, do you know of a way to create some clearance in the chainstay department?
    Preferably without heat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by abaris View Post
    Hey John!
    I found some UmmaGumma 24x2.5 SWorks tires.
    I know there big (wide) and actually clear the seat stays!
    However, the chainstays are almost exactly the same width as the tire.
    So, do you know of a way to create some clearance in the chainstay department?
    Preferably without heat!
    take an XActo knife to the offending knobs on the tires.....seriously
    :)

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    Sell 'em and get some tires that fit!
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
    And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD5h3y0a9AU

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    Quote Originally Posted by da'HOOV View Post
    take an XActo knife to the offending knobs on the tires.....seriously
    surely you're just kidding....
    I can imagine the headlines now: "Man dies from wounds while cutting off his offending knob..."

    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    Sell 'em and get some tires that fit!
    So to summarize, you guys think I should either mod the tires or sell the tires and keep the bike...

    I'd rather sell the bike or trade (+ money) for an Ibis Mt. Trials (or 1991 E-stay Fisher or E-stay StrangeBike or copy designed/built by J.Olsen)... But
    1) no one seems to want to sell me one of those and
    2) not sure if the tire would fit anyway.
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    Widening the chain stays would be a nightmare. You would need heat, or brutal force, and you can't go out too much with the chainstays without hitting the crank arms.

    I'd actually recommend the Xacto knife method! If you can get 1/4" clearance by snipping off the edge of the outer lugs, that may be enough. I only vaguely remember those tires, but I think they were pretty good. Maybe worth an hour with a knife!

    I've also mounted the tires, inflated them hard, and held the wheel/tire up agaist a power sander!

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    Thanks to all.
    As always you offer sound advice.
    Exacto it is and I'll take back the hydraulic jack that i was gonna use to push the chainstays wider!
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    Quote Originally Posted by abaris View Post
    Thanks to all.
    As always you offer sound advice.
    Exacto it is and I'll take back the hydraulic jack that i was gonna use to push the chainstays wider!
    Well I did the exacto thing to the Specialized SWorks Chunder UmmaGumma 25x2.5....Worked...
    Just love these tires...

    Thanks d'Hoov and StrangeBike13!!!
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    I took photos of the Strange Bikes I've still got in my posession, but I can't figure out how to post therm here. What the hel's a URL?

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    click post reply

    scroll down to Additional Options

    Click Upload images

    follow the directions......
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    don't use "POST QUICK REPLY"
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    Here are some Strange Bikes (and a cool shot from the Columbia Gorge of the Millenium trail).
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Raleigh "The Edge"-sb13_2.jpg  

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    thanks, Bob!

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    haha! I like that sticker. Reminds me of the Fremont troll under the Aurora bridge.

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    Trolls

    Those decals were made for me by Genny Gebhart and Lee Kanning, who lived not a mile from the Fremont Bridge. There must be something in the water there... Or is it the proximity to Ballard?

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