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    Old photos surface

    I have been rooting through my voluminous files lately looking for stuff to entertain this forum. A few days ago I came across an envelope with photos I haven't seen in over 20 years.

    There were photos of my Breezer #2 in mint condition, one of Alan Bonds' awesome klunkers, and some negatives that I could tell from the size were from Gary Fisher's Hasselblad camera.

    Here are a few of them. I'll post more down the thread if these are well received.

    The Breezer:




    This was a contact print, but because it was from the large format Hasselblad negative, I was able to get a halfway decent scan. This is one of the nine bikes that Tom Ritchey fronted to Gary and me in September of 1979, and which we used to start our business. The photo was taken in what would have been the "dining room" if a normal family had lived in the house at 1320 San Anselmo Avenue, but served us as the shop before we rented a commercial space two blocks away.





    Thank Hewlitt-Packard for scanners! Years ago I would have had to trudge to the photo store and have these developed, only to find that most of them were out of focus or badly lit. This one wasn't. Gary took this photo of me on his bike, one of Tom's first run of three mountain bikes built in early 1979. Purists will note that the t-shirt is the same one that Billy Savage is wearing on the cover of Decline Magazine.


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    Great pix. Thanks for posting them. I am looking forward to seeing what else you have in your archives for our entertainment.

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    Wow... no that's HISTORY!

    Thanks for sharing!

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    Awesome! Keep 'em coming. The contrast of flash and night on the Breezer is pretty cool.

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    Incredible stuff!

    Thanks for sharing this incredible history with us, Charlie.

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    That's new desktop wallpaper for me!

    The first 9 Tom built bikes. Where are they now? All accounted for, or just a few with their whereabouts known?


    Fantastic pictures! I how we get to see more.
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    Just another amazing post from CK. Consider me entertained!

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    Those are great pics!

    You can really see the modern mountain bike evolve from clunker to a true purpose built mountain bike at that moment. I'd say those design were copied for at least a decade or more without major changes from that point forward.

    thanks for posting those.

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    That looks like some good trail in #3.
    Thanks.
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    please keep em coming

    anybody know how many came with truss forks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    The first 9 Tom built bikes. Where are they now? All accounted for, or just a few with their whereabouts known?.
    Those were my exact thoughts.....

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    i'm not joking: i can't see any pics CK posts. firefox on mac here. what gives?
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    i'm not joking: i can't see any pics CK posts. firefox on mac here. what gives?
    can you see mine?maybe its not your computer
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    i see your breezer and not CK's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    anybody know how many came with truss forks?
    One. That's Joe's Breezer #1. All the rest, mine included, came with Red Line forks and were nickel-plated instead of painted. Did anyone notice that the seatpost is Campy micro-adjusting?

    As far as where the Ritchey bikes went, I know where two of them are. Fred Wolf still has his. One of the others was sold to my uncle, and a few years ago I took it to Tom to see what he would give him for it. Thomas Frischknecht traded my uncle straight across for one of his full-race top of the line bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    As far as where the Ritchey bikes went, I know where two of them are. Fred Wolf still has his. One of the others was sold to my uncle, and a few years ago I took it to Tom to see what he would give him for it. Thomas Frischknecht traded my uncle straight across for one of his full-race top of the line bikes.

    Frishi got the better end of the deal.
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    Alan Bonds' '78 klunker






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    More Breezer




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    More Ritchey


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    I certainly don't mean any disrespect to a legend and pioneer of the sport but aren't the forks on the early bikes made by Cook Bros? They are dead ringers for my two sets of CBR forks from the era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxcollector
    I certainly don't mean any disrespect to a legend and pioneer of the sport but aren't the forks on the early bikes made by Cook Bros? They are dead ringers for my two sets of CBR forks from the era.
    RedLine. Pretty much identical to CBR, just a 3" longer BMX fork. Joe made his own fork with curved tapered tubing, but he bought all the others.

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    Interesting, Redline never made a production 26" bike. A picture did surface recently of a one off 26" Redline from 1975. It did feature a 26" redline fork but was of the original style with solid drop outs. Maybe the Breezer/ Redline fork was produced to spec and not a off the shelf item? Cool stuff thanks for the pics!

    A quick note. Cook Brothers was among the first to copy the tubular fork design developed by Redline for the BMX market in 74/75. Not making them very popular with the owner of Redline. That was what made me question the Breezer fork as being a CBR. I found it very strange Redline would use a CBR style dropout as there was no love lost between the two companies.

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    I believe the fork on the front of this bike if a Cook Bros.
    Alan, Billy, or Charlie can correct me if I'm wrong on this.

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    I just wanted to say how much I am enjoying this thread. Thank you for sharing these with us.

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    If your talking about the forks on the Lawwill those are not Cook Bros. What is interesting is the gold one has what look to be 26" Redline forks. Several makers were producing a similiar fork by then and I bet they are Gary Littlejohn forks. The forks on the red bike are most likely modified Diamond Back units.Probably an overseas unit judging by the construction. Very few BMX companies had the dual drop out set up. Speedo, Motopro, Bandito, Diamond Back being the most well known.

    So where was that gathering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxcollector
    So where was that gathering?
    Fairfax Fat Tire Festival 06.

    This from 05:

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    Here are a couple of shots I know you guys will like.

    These were taken in June of 1979. The bikes from left to right are Alan Bonds' Excelsior klunker, my Breezer #2, Mike Castelli's 1979 Jeffey Richman and Gary Fisher's first Ritchey.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Here are a couple of shots I know you guys will like.

    These were taken in June of 1979. The bikes from left to right are Alan Bonds' Excelsior klunker, my Breezer #2, Mike Castelli's 1979 Jeffey Richman and Gary Fisher's first Ritchey.
    Very cool!

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    The best yet!! Awesome pics!

    Thanks for sharing.

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    This is a fantastic thread! I recently picked up a 20 dollar Schwinn Cruiser off craigslist and these pics are giving me TONS of ideas.
    A new old set of Mavic 231 rims would REALLY make my day.

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    We're lovin' this CK. Fantastic to see these early mtbs in their prime.
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    wow.....thanks charlie!


    one can clearly see.....back in da days...nobody knew mountain bikes.....


    ....there is no locks on the bikes!!

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    Breezer

    I think Larry Kragg still has one of those Breezers under his porch?

    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    I have been rooting through my voluminous files lately looking for stuff to entertain this forum. A few days ago I came across an envelope with photos I haven't seen in over 20 years.

    There were photos of my Breezer #2 in mint condition, one of Alan Bonds' awesome klunkers, and some negatives that I could tell from the size were from Gary Fisher's Hasselblad camera.

    Here are a few of them. I'll post more down the thread if these are well received.

    The Breezer:




    This was a contact print, but because it was from the large format Hasselblad negative, I was able to get a halfway decent scan. This is one of the nine bikes that Tom Ritchey fronted to Gary and me in September of 1979, and which we used to start our business. The photo was taken in what would have been the "dining room" if a normal family had lived in the house at 1320 San Anselmo Avenue, but served us as the shop before we rented a commercial space two blocks away.





    Thank Hewlitt-Packard for scanners! Years ago I would have had to trudge to the photo store and have these developed, only to find that most of them were out of focus or badly lit. This one wasn't. Gary took this photo of me on his bike, one of Tom's first run of three mountain bikes built in early 1979. Purists will note that the t-shirt is the same one that Billy Savage is wearing on the cover of Decline Magazine.


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    Another pile of old photos has surfaced in my collection, so I thought I would bring back this thread rather than starting another, so they would all be in the same place. These are mostly InstaMatic shots, with limited quality because the negatives are so small.

    Around 1975 we took a ride in Point Reyes and got busted. This is Bob Klock talking to the ranger, and Gary Fisher in the foreground.

    Take a close look at Gary's shifters, barely in the photo at the bottom. It is a pair of "stem shifters" moved to the handlebars, with both levers operated by the same hand. This was what we used before thumb shifters.
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    These ride photos look to be from about 1976, when most of our crowd had upgraded to multiple gear clunkers.
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    One more. Howie Hammerman, Alan Bonds and his dog Ariel, and Vince Carleton
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    Really looks like you made the most of your rides. Took your time and enjoyed things.

    CK, generally speaking, when you guys went out to ride, was it an all day event?
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    Thanks for reviving the thread, CK. It's great to see the photos and read the stories of how things evolved 30 years ago.
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    beautiful pics

    Thanks for sharing them with us. I find the history very interesting, especially how the frames and parts came together.

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    Great thread thanx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Upchuck
    Thanks for reviving the thread, CK. It's great to see the photos and read the stories of how things evolved 30 years ago.

    Great pics, CK!

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    Great shots! keep them coming!

    CK I'm gunna trim my mustache and side burns to match yours in that first shot and then sport the look to my local races.

    Forget about the first Tom bikes, what happend to Gary Fisher's Hasselblad camera?
    The 80mm format I assume?

    I'm not that into cameras but its probably worth $8-10,000 at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freemtnrider
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    Forget about the first Tom bikes, what happend to Gary Fisher's Hasselblad camera?
    The 80mm format I assume?

    I'm not that into cameras but its probably worth $8-10,000 at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Really looks like you made the most of your rides. Took your time and enjoyed things.

    CK, generally speaking, when you guys went out to ride, was it an all day event?
    Smoke em if ya got em!

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    Time to bump this one back to the top, and I have just the stuff.

    Here is a better scan of a photo on my website, taken in 1976 after a Repack race. From left, Alan Bonds, Benny Hendricks, Ross Parkerson, Jim Stern and me. Every bike is a Schwinn Excelsior. I have blown up my own bike, which as you can see has an Alan Bonds paint job.

    Some of us are wearing Excelsior t-shirts printed by Alan. I am wearing my standard Repack attire, my Army fatigue shirt with my name still over the pocket.
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    Parking lot of the Fairfax Theater, 1981. My first Ritchey is second from the left, red with brass plated bars and everything anodized gold.

    I can identify Tom Meyers in the white pants, Dennis Leonard in the white jersey, and myself in the red hat. The bike at far left is a Murray Baja, which Gary gave me as a joke, and which then fell into the hands of Steve Wilde, who rode it into the ground in short order.
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    Joe Breeze and I raced in the Tilden Park CycloCross on our Breezers in 1978. I was a DNF with bike damage (bent my wimpy TA chainring), and Joe finished out of the money, but our teammate Joe Ryan won on a standard 'cross bike.

    Here are myself, Denise Caramagno, Joe Ryan and Gary Fisher after the race.
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    In 1980 we drove down to Glenn Odell's race in San Luis Obispo, the Central Coast Clunker Classic. Here are Ken Fuetsch and Joe Breeze after the race. The three bikes are all Breezers. Mine is closest to the camera and Joe's is in the middle. The third bike is a type II Breezer without the extra tubes.
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    Legendary stuff CK!

    I'm sure it's been said before but....it's a damn good thing you had the wherewithal to take the pictures and keep track of all this stuff.

    A great deal of otherwise important history would surely have been lost otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Parking lot of the Fairfax Theater, 1981. My first Ritchey is second from the left, red with brass plated bars and everything anodized gold.

    I can identify Tom Meyers in the white pants, Dennis Leonard in the white jersey, and myself in the red hat. The bike at far left is a Murray Baja, which Gary gave me as a joke, and which then fell into the hands of Steve Wilde, who rode it into the ground in short order.

    tell me about the bike behind Tom!! sloping tt?

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    Keep up the great work. Those photos are priceless and a nice window into the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williwoods
    tell me about the bike behind Tom!! sloping tt?
    Not a lot of possibilities in 1981. I'm thinking it might be a Trailmaster, but I don't know how to verify it. The photo is maxed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Not a lot of possibilities in 1981. I'm thinking it might be a Trailmaster, but I don't know how to verify it. The photo is maxed out.

    As usual, great stuff. Where's the red Ritchey now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    As usual, great stuff. Where's the red Ritchey now?
    Sold it in 1982 to a guy named Aaron Goldstein, who is now the sound mixer for the Sons of Champlin.

    Saw a guy riding it in 1987, haven't seen it since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Joe Breeze and I raced in the Tilden Park CycloCross on our Breezers in 1979. I was a DNF with bike damage (bent my wimpy TA chainring), and Joe finished out of the money, but our teammate Joe Ryan won on a standard 'cross bike.

    Here are myself, Denise Caramagno, Joe Ryan and Gary Fisher after the race.
    possibly my favorite photo yet.
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    I'll second that

    and third it
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    possibly my favorite photo yet.
    Really? Thanks.

    I debated even posting it, since there aren't any bikes in the shot.

    I need to correct the date of the photo; it's actually 1978, not 1979.

    That was my first "date" with Denise, who moved in with me a short time later and was instrumental in starting the Fat Tire Flyer. (She named the publication and acted as the publisher, starting at the age of 19.) Denise is now in the MTB Hall of Fame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Really? Thanks.

    I debated even posting it, since there aren't any bikes in the shot.

    I need to correct the date of the photo; it's actually 1978, not 1979.

    That was my first "date" with Denise, who moved in with me a short time later and was instrumental in starting the Fat Tire Flyer. (She named the publication and acted as the publisher, starting at the age of 19.) Denise is now in the MTB Hall of Fame.
    please, dont hesitate to post any of the photos you got
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Really? Thanks.

    I debated even posting it, since there aren't any bikes in the shot.
    We respect the people as much as the bikes, so please, post-a-way.

    I don't think a lot of other forums give as much credit to the riders/builders as they do the bikes.

    You can't know where you're going if you don't know where you've been. We might be bias, but MTB history is pretty colorful.

    It's a bonus for us to get our history lessons first hand from those of you that wrote it.
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    Thanks CK

    Oh man, I wish you would have opened that envelope a year ago! I could have used a few more shots of you riding on the trails on that MB. Thanks for posting and for all the support, CK. I just wish we were on our way to London for the premiere there. It's gonna rock. Thanks Rumpfy, and the rest of you folks on this site for keeping in the klunk alive.
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    Above Alpine Dam, January 1982.

    All the bikes are Ritcheys. The one without a rider is Denise Caramagno's. From left, John Troja in front of Dennett Colescott, and Mike Flanagan is standing behind me.

    I have included a detail shot of my red 1980 Ritchey, with brass plated bars, gold anodized brake levers, cranks, rims, pedals and Blackburn rack (which doubled as a rear fender in those days). It even has red leather covers for the brake levers and red cable housings. Black anodized TA chainset.

    Definitely one of the coolest looking Ritcheys that ever hit dirt.

    Mike's bike, behind mine, is painted flat black, and everything else is black anodized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Above Alpine Dam, January 1982.
    Alpine Lake at flood stage, even. God that was a wet winter!
    ...strictly downhill...

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    Nice stuff CK. When's the book coming out? You know me... I'm thinking Klunkerz 2...The Chromoly Years! How did Joe Ryan win the Tilden 'Cross race after a face-plant? He looks like he's bleeding pretty good. Keep 'em coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Above Alpine Dam, January 1982.

    All the bikes are Ritcheys. The one without a rider is Denise Caramagno's. From left, John Troja in front of Dennett Colescott, and Mike Flanagan is standing behind me.

    I have included a detail shot of my red 1980 Ritchey, with brass plated bars, gold anodized brake levers, cranks, rims, pedals and Blackburn rack (which doubled as a rear fender in those days). It even has red leather covers for the brake levers and red cable housings. Black anodized TA chainset.

    Definitely one of the coolest looking Ritcheys that ever hit dirt.

    Mike's bike, behind mine, is painted flat black, and everything else is black anodized.

    Super cool. This needs to go in the Ritchey thread. I like that black one. Ive seen a real early (82ish) Mt Goat Deluxe with red paint, red Magura covers, and gold ano parts. Pretty neat.

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    great!

    love the klunker & early mtb stuff. the early repack/pearl pass photos in 'bicycling' and 'outside' fired up my imagination and got me into cycling. i see qbp has 'klunkerz' in stock now, i better go put together a totally unneccessary parts order.......

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    One of my marketing tools when I sold Ritchey MountainBikes was to take my bike out on the road century rides and kick ass. This was the best century I ever rode on fat tires, the 1981 Hekaton starting and ending in Dublin (East Bay) It had 8000 feet of climbing, and I rode my gold-trimmed red Ritchey, while my friend Mark Edwards rode my Breezer #2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Me, Gary and Joe, around 1994.

    You still have that Ritchey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue
    I just wanted to say how much I am enjoying this thread. Thank you for sharing these with us.
    I like how none of the rear tires can fit into the rack. Classis pics.

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    I'm getting away with posting some pretty bad photos here.

    This is Denise Caramagno right after a race, with my Breezer #2. I'm thinking this was the 1980 Central Coast Clunker Classic, or possibly the 1981 version of that race.

    Denise suffered a little damage, which she shows off proudly.

    The third shot is Dave Epperson's photo of Denise and Wende Cragg practicing on the Pacifica Cyclocross course before the 1981 National Championships.

    Denise has her own Ritchey, and Wende has an original Breezer.
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    Joe Murray, Ned Overend, Roy Rivers and Paul Thomasberg, Virginia City around 1984.

    Ned Overend's Schwinn Paramountain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Joe Murray, Ned Overend, Roy Rivers and Paul Thomasberg, Virginia City around 1984.

    Ned Overend's Schwinn Paramountain.

    I wonder who made Ned's frame.

    You sure thats Joe Murray? Doesnt look like him to me and wouldnt he be on a Fisher then? You know better than me for sure. How about that Ritchey rider in the background, is that Tom?

    The guy with the beard looks familiar too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    I wonder who made Ned's frame.

    You sure thats Joe Murray? Doesnt look like him to me and wouldnt he be on a Fisher then? You know better than me for sure. How about that Ritchey rider in the background, is that Tom?

    The guy with the beard looks familiar too.
    I assumed it was Joe, 'cuz it looks like him and it's the right crowd for the time, but the bike looks Cannondale-ish, so I might be wrong. I found some so-so shots of Joe at the time, and I will post them for comparison.

    I looked at the Ritchey rider in the background, and he looks too short and too thick of leg to be Tom. I suspect it's Max Jones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    You sure thats Joe Murray? Doesnt look like him to me and wouldnt he be on a Fisher then.
    I'm terrible with faces, worse with names.

    Here's a known Joe Murray photo from the 1988 Rockhopper. Is it the same guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    I'm getting away with posting some pretty bad photos here.

    This is Denise Caramagno right after a race, with my Breezer #2. I'm thinking this was the 1980 Central Coast Clunker Classic, or possibly the 1981 version of that race.

    Denise suffered a little damage, which she shows off proudly.

    The third shot is Dave Epperson's photo of Denise and Wende Cragg practicing on the Pacifica Cyclocross course before the 1981 National Championships.

    Denise has her own Ritchey, and Wende has an original Breezer.
    that last pic is awesome.

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    Fantastic pictures! Thanks for sharing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Joe Murray, Ned Overend, Roy Rivers and Paul Thomasberg, Virginia City around 1984.
    I am sorry to go way back to a previous post, but the tires on Ned's and Roy's bikes look like Ground Controls. That would place the date as 1985 at the earliest. Both bikes look like the ones that they used at the 1985 NORBA Nationals in Santa Barbara, CA. My guess is that it is 1985.

    No matter the date, all of the pictures (bikes and/or people) are fantastic! This is history.

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    Great thread!
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    Retro,

    Good catch on the Ground Control tires. Some photos are easier to date than others. If I'm in the photo, I generally knew when and where it was taken. I wasn't sure which year Ned switched to Specialized, but he rode the 1986 Nationals on a Schwinn. I have a lot of photos from Edgemont Ranch from that year and he's still with Schwinn.

    Here's Crested Butte rider Tracy Smith with his Cunningham at the 1986 Plumline Challenge near Bishop, California.
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    Specialized owner Mike Sinyard hands up a bottle to his star rider, Ned Overend at the 1988 National championships at Sun Valley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider

    Here's Crested Butte rider Tracy Smith with his Cunningham at the 1986 Plumline Challenge near Bishop, California.
    SMITH aka Seldom Seen~I have a pic of that bike that I took at his condo a few years ago somewhere in the archives......he can still ride all day perty darn fast to this day. He also has a 700c 'Ham. You must have one of his teammate S Cook also?
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    I thought I had already posted this one, or at least had it on my website, but apparently not because I couldn't locate it anywhere. Sorry if it's a repeat.

    This is from Repack, 1979, and apparently Gary won something, because I'm on the big rock that served as the podium for race finishes, handing him some sort of prize.

    Yesterday I scanned the Crested Butte newspapers from September, 1978, which detail how the California riders took the place by storm. Knowing what we know now about CB, this is pretty interesting, so I put up a new page on my site for them.

    Rather than duplicate it all here, I'll just post this link to my new page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    I thought I had already posted this one, or at least had it on my website, but apparently not because I couldn't locate it anywhere. Sorry if it's a repeat.

    This is from Repack, 1979, and apparently Gary won something, because I'm on the big rock that served as the podium for race finishes, handing him some sort of prize.

    Yesterday I scanned the Crested Butte newspapers from September, 1978, which detail how the California riders took the place by storm. Knowing what we know now about CB, this is pretty interesting, so I put up a new page on my site for them.

    Rather than duplicate it all here, I'll just post this link to my new page.

    Neat article. On that Pearl Pass shot with everyone lined up, were the CB locals the ones with the "ape hanger" bars or did some of the CA guys have those as well? The high bars seem to look different from what Ive seen on Repack shots.

    Edit: after closer inspection, I see that most of the Marin guys have the lower motorcycle bars.

    Please keep this stuff coming!
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    I have been following this thread and while I cannot consider myself a mountain bike history buff, I would like to be one. Is there a book considered to be the crème de la crème of mountain bike history? Any other mediums that could help me get a grasp of what mtbing was like back in the day?

    this site, particularly this thread rock, thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastale
    I have been following this thread and while I cannot consider myself a mountain bike history buff, I would like to be one. Is there a book considered to be the crème de la crème of mountain bike history? Any other mediums that could help me get a grasp of what mtbing was like back in the day?
    But...who could WRITE such a thing. All the mountain bikers I know are functionally illiterate.

    You guys like shots of interesting groups of people. I found this photo from Crested Butte in an old Suntour company bulletin from 1982. It includes mountain biking's most famous fugitive, Neil Murdoch (Richard Bannister) and the president of Suntour, Junzo Kawai.

    When Richard Bannister fled to the tiny backwater of CB and assumed a new name, he probably never figured he would get famous under his alias and that the sleepy little town would be written large on some maps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    But...who could WRITE such a thing. All the mountain bikers I know are functionally illiterate.

    You guys like shots of interesting groups of people. I found this photo from Crested Butte in an old Suntour company bulletin from 1982. It includes mountain biking's most famous fugitive, Neil Murdoch (Richard Bannister) and the president of Suntour, Junzo Kawai.

    When Richard Bannister fled to the tiny backwater of CB and assumed a new name, he probably never figured he would get famous under his alias and that the sleepy little town would be written large on some maps.
    Irony at work

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    Irony at work

    haha. Yep. So whats the latest on "Mr. Murdoch"? Anyone know?


    Fastale, try watching the movie Klunkerz for a history lesson. Its out on DVD now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    haha. Yep. So whats the latest on "Mr. Murdoch"? Anyone know?
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    Murray had engineers?

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    Murray had engineers.

    These guys dreamed of guiding the company in a new direction. They were young, they were hanging out in Crested Butte and they saw what was going on. Or maybe they were groupies for people who WERE making a difference, who knows?

    As it turned out, Murray didn't get any of our market share.

    Here's a cover shot from the Fat Tire Flyer, taken before a race in Colorado in 1984.

    From left, Jim Deaton, winner of the first two NORBA downhill events, Gavin Chilcott, who had already raced as a road pro in Italy, Alan Ott, Sandy Hague, Dave McLaughlin, Sandy Chapman and defending NORBA champion Steve Tilford.

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    From left, Jim Deaton, Gavin Chilcott, Alan Ott, Sandy Hague, Dave McLaughlin, Sandy Chapman and Steve Tilford.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    From left, Jim Deaton, Gavin Chilcott, Alan Ott, Sandy Hague, Dave McLaughlin, Sandy Chapman and Steve Tilford.

    I love that shot. Gavin is managing the BMC domestic cycling team, Dave Mac is running the Luna Chix team after a pretty long mtb carreer with Specialized and then Ritchey. Tilford is still racing I think! Im pretty sure his Raleigh there is really a Moots.

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    Cyclocross, 1984 John Loomis (Fisher) left, Dave McLaughlin (Specialized) right
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Cyclocross, 1984 John Loomis (Fisher) left, Dave McLaughlin (Specialized) right

    I like the shifters on the inside of the bullmoose struts.

    Hey, and I have that frame Dave's riding. He rode it that year in the '84 cyclocross worlds in Munich, Germany. Need to get it repainted and built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    I like the shifters on the inside of the bullmoose struts.

    Hey, and I have that frame Dave's riding. He rode it that year in the '84 cyclocross worlds in Munich, Germany. Need to get it repainted and built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Cyclocross, 1984 John Loomis (Fisher) left, Dave McLaughlin (Specialized) right
    I love that shot. I've got a magazine somewhere here with that shot in it...or was it also a poster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    I love that shot. I've got a magazine somewhere here with that shot in it...or was it also a poster?

    Looks like McLaughlin going for the pass on Team Fisher and possibly a Cunningham 'cross bike. Ive seen it in a mag somewhere too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by First Flight

    Now thats some classy craftsmanship if Ive ever seen it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Hey, and I have that frame Dave's riding. He rode it that year in the '84 cyclocross worlds in Munich, Germany. Need to get it repainted and built.
    Are you out of your mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    I love that shot. I've got a magazine somewhere here with that shot in it...or was it also a poster?
    I sold it to Cyclist. I WISH it had been a poster.

    I'm digging into stuff now that has already appeared somewhere.

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    Gary gave me a Murray Baja one Christmas as a joke. It cost just about $100 new.

    Since I had a Ritchey, I found it pretty much unrideable, and igt fell into the hands of one of our employees first, then a skateboarder friend of mine. The two of them were pretty strong riders, and they wore it out really quickly.

    You can't work on bikes like that. You have to throw them away.

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    Riders line up at the top of Mammoth Mountain for the start of the first Kamikaze Downhill, 1985.
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    Looks like a number of Bell V1 helmets there as well as a Bell Biker (saw a guy yesterday riding with one of those). Is that helmet on the far left, was that a Skid Lid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinguwin
    Looks like a number of Bell V1 helmets there as well as a Bell Biker (saw a guy yesterday riding with one of those). Is that helmet on the far left, was that a Skid Lid?
    Definitely a Skid-Lid. The owner of the company, Kevin Montgomery, was a friend of mine at the time and I had one. You couldn't enter a race with one of those now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Riders line up at the top of Mammoth Mountain for the start of the first Kamikaze Downhill, 1985.
    Cool! That guy in profile with the dark Brancale helmet (on a Salsa ala Carte IIRC) and the guy to his left with the tilted back V1 Pro were riding buddies of mine back then.

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    I looked through all my online stuff, and I think this may be the first time this one has seen the light of day. It's self explanatory. Pete Barrett's sig is on the right margin ("BLAST80")
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Riders line up at the top of Mammoth Mountain for the start of the first Kamikaze Downhill, 1985.
    I was there. My brother inlaw was in that race, he may be in that photo.. And my sister did the XC race.

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    Pretty sure this is 1988 or 1989. During Fat Tire Bike Week in Crested Butte, all the Hall of Fame people got together for a ride along with a few of the locals, and at some point we all stopped so Dave Epperson could take a photo.

    Standing: Paul Anderson, Charlie Kelly, Joe Breeze, David Peoples, Carol Bauer, ?, Wende Cragg, "Girl from Steamboat Springs," Gary Fisher, ?, Rick Baldwin, Mark Slate, Mike Sinyard.

    Front row: Victor Vincente of America, Matt Hebbard, Dave Lindsay, Hank Barlow.
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    San Anselmo, around 1977, directly across the street from where MountainBikes would open two years later. Bob Burrowes in the yellow jacket, Ian Stewart in red sweater.
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    China, 1981. A Chinese kid poses on the Great Wall with Kevin Foster's first generation Ritchey, which is far too big for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    China, 1981. A Chinese kid poses on the Great Wall with Kevin Foster's first generation Ritchey, which is far too big for him.
    That is an excellent shot with the wall trailing back over his left shoulder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    That is an excellent shot with the wall trailing back over his left shoulder.

    That is a great shot. Any more from that trip?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    That is a great shot. Any more from that trip?
    This one, which appeared as an ad in the July/August 1982 Fat Tire Flyer. I'm not sure where the original might be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    This one, which appeared as an ad in the July/August 1982 Fat Tire Flyer. I'm not sure where the original might be.
    That's a good rip on Specialized in the ad.
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    Starting area of Repack, either 1983 or 1984. There are two first generation Breezers and a second generation. Facing the camera, from left are Alan Zulch, Charlie Castelli, Martin McBirney and Ross Parkerson. The one in middle with his back turned on the second generation Breezer looks to be Steve Potts, and the back on the right belongs to Otis Guy.

    Charlie Castelli is on his brother Mike's 1979 Jeffrey Richman, and everyone is riding SnakeBelly tires.
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    i', not sure if you've seeen this... a local old school fan had a breezer I remade by a local frame builder here in zürich. the whole project took two years, but the result is

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    CK, Thank you so much for sharing your pictures. They are absolutely fabulous!
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    New photo of an old bike...

    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    ...The one in middle with his back turned on the second generation Breezer looks to be Steve Potts...
    And after changing hands a time or two, Steve still has that bike.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxcollector
    I certainly don't mean any disrespect to a legend and pioneer of the sport but aren't the forks on the early bikes made by Cook Bros? They are dead ringers for my two sets of CBR forks from the era.
    I just saw this fork string. In fact, this is my first post here.

    Breezer #2 through 9, built in 1977/78, had specially built Cook Brothers forks. I had CBR make the blades shorter to match the old Schwinn length. In fact, I made the Breezer head tubes 5-1/4" long so, in a pinch, a Schwinn fork could be substituted. I don't believe that was ever necessary though.

    Note the dropout reonforements in the photo. I brazed those on for additional strength. All 9 Breezer frames and forks were bead blasted and nickled at the same time.

    -Joe Breeze

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    Quote Originally Posted by breezin
    I just saw this fork string. In fact, this is my first post here.

    Breezer #2 through 9, built in 1977/78, had specially built Cook Brothers forks. I had CBR make the blades shorter to match the old Schwinn length. In fact, I made the Breezer head tubes 5-1/4" long so, in a pinch, a Schwinn fork could be substituted. I don't believe that was ever necessary though.

    Note the dropout reonforements in the photo. I brazed those on for additional strength. All 9 Breezer frames and forks were bead blasted and nickled at the same time.

    -Joe Breeze
    Thee Joe Breeze just chimed in! Welcome...........I just soiled myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by YETIFIED
    Thee Joe Breeze just chimed in! Welcome.
    AWESOME!

    this place gets better all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by breezin
    I just saw this fork string. In fact, this is my first post here.

    Breezer #2 through 9, built in 1977/78, had specially built Cook Brothers forks. I had CBR make the blades shorter to match the old Schwinn length. In fact, I made the Breezer head tubes 5-1/4" long so, in a pinch, a Schwinn fork could be substituted. I don't believe that was ever necessary though.

    Note the dropout reonforements in the photo. I brazed those on for additional strength. All 9 Breezer frames and forks were bead blasted and nickled at the same time.

    -Joe Breeze
    joe,

    the 1991 or was it 92? breezer storm, red and white.. that was the most beautifull bicycle i had ever seen in my life.
    i tried to buy it from south america, where i live, but it was impossible. damm.... that was the perfect bike.
    WTB: Bomber Z2 1 1/8 steerer, in good to excellent shape OR bomber rebuild kit.

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    Cool bike. Steve told me he built that while apprenticing under Joe.

    I might guess that that's Joe Breeze in that photo rather than Steve as I think Steve's a little taller and that bike looks smaller than Steve's.... and those chops that you can barely see there... Maybe Joe can confirm or deny.

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    Joe will be the featured yakker at the ROMP xmas gathering in Mt View at the end of November.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ssulljm
    Joe will be the featured yakker at the ROMP xmas gathering in Mt View at the end of November.


    http://www.romp.org

    Sully!

    I hope those Ritchey's you snaked from me are doing good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by breezin
    I just saw this fork string. In fact, this is my first post here.

    Breezer #2 through 9, built in 1977/78, had specially built Cook Brothers forks. I had CBR make the blades shorter to match the old Schwinn length. In fact, I made the Breezer head tubes 5-1/4" long so, in a pinch, a Schwinn fork could be substituted. I don't believe that was ever necessary though.

    Note the dropout reonforements in the photo. I brazed those on for additional strength. All 9 Breezer frames and forks were bead blasted and nickled at the same time.

    -Joe Breeze

    Quite an honor to have you post Joe. I can't tell you what an interested audience you have here.

    Charlie has been awesome in serving up photos and stores, educating us on MTB and its history.

    If you have the time and desire to share as well, we'd be all ears (or eyes as it were).
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    speakin of jeffrey richman

    This beauty just came to light,
    Any feedback on jeffrey richman?
    Frame building history?
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    The first sanctioned downhill mountain bike race was the 1984 Repack event. The second was the 1985 Mammoth Kamikaze.

    Promoter Don Douglass asked me to help him out with the Kamikaze, since I was at that time the only person with experience putting on these races. Here I am at the start line, wearing my Velo Club Tamalpais warm-up, but what I found more interesting about this photo is the fact that the timer has one of the Repack timing clocks hanging round his neck. I guess I brought the timers also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    The first sanctioned downhill mountain bike race was the 1984 Repack event. The second was the 1985 Mammoth Kamikaze.

    Promoter Don Douglass asked me to help him out with the Kamikaze, since I was at that time the only person with experience putting on these races. Here I am at the start line, wearing my Velo Club Tamalpais warm-up, but what I found more interesting about this photo is the fact that the timer has one of the Repack timing clocks hanging round his neck. I guess I brought the timers also.

    Love that lunar landscape up there with that weightless pumice rock. Brings back lots of fun memories.

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    If you rode mountain bikes in Marin during the '80s, it is likely that you knew at least one of the Nilsen siblings, seven brothers and sisters, all mountain bikers.

    From left in this 1987 photo, Rob (Ibis), Mitch (Ritchey), Joan (Ibis), Liz (Ibis), Laura (Cook Brothers), Dan (Ritchey), and Jan (Ritchey).
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    Good job! Charlie! Been a long time...

    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Starting area of Repack, either 1983 or 1984. There are two first generation Breezers and a second generation. Facing the camera, from left are Alan Zulch, Charlie Castelli, Martin McBirney and Ross Parkerson. The one in middle with his back turned on the second generation Breezer looks to be Steve Potts, and the back on the right belongs to Otis Guy.

    Charlie Castelli is on his brother Mike's 1979 Jeffrey Richman, and everyone is riding SnakeBelly tires.

    Hi CK, I've gathered from a close scrutiny of this site that you must be Repack Rider, and I've just been enjoying an evening of going through your website, the link to which was forwarded by an old friend in San Anselmo who thought I'd enjoy it.

    Oh what memories. It is great to see a photo with Martin and me together as this is the only one I know of. He and I and Kent Bostick used to go on many training rides together, along with Gary and Otis and Jerry Heidenreich.

    I was telling my friend earlier this evening that I was your employee number three at MountainBikes in 1980, working part time to put together Ritcheys. Do you recall?

    I first met you at your house on San Anselmo Ave in 1979, introduced by Gary after I bought a Klein frameset from him when he worked for Sunshine Bikes. Before buying it I remember driving to San Martin to visit Gary Klein's farm and test ride his own bike on the local roads. His mother painted the frames in the barn.

    I also remember getting my Klein's first scratch hanging in the back of your "Phlegm" moving truck as we drove around the Perrier Classic stage race in Santa Cruz in the summer of 1979.

    And, soon after I remember waving off Otis and Joe on their Anchor Steamer tandem from the Golden Gate Bridge as they attempted a cross country record. I do believe you were there, right?

    In 1979 Martin sold me his red '48 Schwinn with drums and a five speed rear derailleur, and Magura bars and levers. It was great but when I worked for you at MountainBikes I bought a Ritchey, which I kept until 1983 when I sold it to my friend Joseph Brooke who now has it in Pt Reyes. To replace it, in 1983 I had Otis Guy custom build me a new bike that I still have and ride daily.

    I was active in racing in 1980 only and the photo here was taken that year. I recognize my white "painter pants" and jersey. Besides Martin I also recognize, I believe, Wendy Cragge on the Breezer (face obscured), Otis in the right foreground, and Ross P. Next to Otis, with the hat, is Joe Breeze, I'm quite sure. Not Steve Potts. I recognize his sideburns.

    You may also recall that I was Velo Club Tam's only (and last?) rider in 1980. I still have a gorgeous embroidered wool jersey and sweat suit that Gary had made for me, but the last of my 'regular' VCT jerseys with the Versatex paint sponsor logo I traded at the Jr World Championships in Mexico City in 1980. We snuck into the Soviet's dorm and I traded it for bright red spandex Soviet National Team jersey with a gold and silver thread embroidered hammer and sickle logo, with 'CCCP' on the chest. Nice! I have to pull it out someday and take another look.

    Lest I run on...I hope all is well with you and Steve Wilde (whom I will always recall as being such a gentle, great guy), Charlie Cunningham (he made a custom seatpost for my Klein roadbike that I still have....an engineering masterpiece in aluminum), Steve Barrett (of zany artistry fame), my old housemate Jerry Heidenreich, Jaquie, Wendy, Denise, Gary, Joe and Otis. I think Martin is now in Idaho.

    Alan Zulch (Palo Alto)

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    First Sanctioned Mt. Bike Race?!

    Hey Repack Rider,

    Great stuff ..... pics, etc .....

    I appreciate that you specify that the first DOWNHILL mt. bike race ....... Naturally, we all know that the first sanctioned bicycle race in which a "mountain bike" (then called clunker) took part was the West Coast Open Cyclo-cross Championships, held in Mill Valley on Dec. 4th, 1974. (Actually, I'm fairly sure that I broke the USCF sanctioned rules by letting the Cup. boys race.). Rules are for fools !

    Little did I realise that the use of the word "OPEN" would open a door into our now known universe.

    The 30 cents I spent to send a flyer about the race to Spence Wolfe in Cupertino was money well spent, eh ?!?

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    So THAT'S where it began...

    Hello ItsWitz, I'm glad you let us know that because I, for one, wasn't aware of that event, nor its import on the future. I was aware, however, of 'clunker' as the term of choice! While 'bomber' was my favorite term from 1979 onward, 'clunker' did indeed seem to be used more often. Now I know why. Thanks!

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    Alan,

    ya mon,

    my small part - an unsung hero - one of the known and the unknown.

    I used the word 'bomber' until one day I used the term in court (I had 'bombed' thru a construction zone and tore out a survey telescope). I think the judge frowned on the term bobmer.

    btw; maybe C.K. could let us know exactly how DO you spell cluncker (after all CK is clunckers' middle name).

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    ....nother historical moment is captured right here

    in da early days...even the bikes said each other "tschüüüs"



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    Cool pic Sharky. Interesting to see Ron Jeremy in the background. Add being an early adopter of mountain bikes to his resume!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycleshark
    ....nother historical moment is captured right here

    in da early days...even the bikes said each other "tschüüüs"


    that's a somewhat disturbing picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    If you rode mountain bikes in Marin during the '80s, it is likely that you knew at least one of the Nilsen siblings, seven brothers and sisters, all mountain bikers.

    From left in this 1987 photo, Rob (Ibis), Mitch (Ritchey), Joan (Ibis), Liz (Ibis), Laura (Cook Brothers), Dan (Ritchey), and Jan (Ritchey).
    I'd bet Rob's Ibis is a Cunningham.

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    i was there

    ... it was taken on the street in cressted butte; one rider is rich cast. RR would know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    I'd bet Rob's Ibis is a Cunningham.
    ...strictly downhill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    I'd bet Rob's Ibis is a Cunningham.
    Looks like you're correct. I was reading from the copy in the magazine, which I didn't write and which seems to be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Cool pic Sharky. Interesting to see Ron Jeremy in the background. Add being an early adopter of mountain bikes to his resume!
    Just so we're clear, it's my photo and it ran in the Fat Tire Flyer. The rider on the left is Rich Cast.

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    thanks ceekay

    I had no idea who took the pigtscheroni. I'm glad it landed in the right thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Looks like you're correct. I was reading from the copy in the magazine, which I didn't write and which seems to be wrong.
    I'm pretty sure the guy standing in the back to the right is the Hedgehog. Here is another publicity picture from the same period:



    ** Edited for taste.

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    Piggie,

    I may have posted a photo or two that all of you regretted, but that picture of the hedgehog...that just wasn't right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinguwin
    Piggie,

    I may have posted a photo or two that all of you regretted, but that picture of the hedgehog...that just wasn't right.

    'Guin
    It was a bit much. I've edited so as not to pollute this awesome thread.

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    Bump...Joe Breeze from the American days, racing on a Montanaeus.
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    This is Casey Patterson with her Cunningham around 1986. Casey is Kye Sharp's mother and the sister of BTCEB honcho Michael Kelley. Around the time this photo was taken Casey started participating in the Race Across America (RAAM).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    This is Casey Patterson with her Cunningham around 1986. Casey is Kye Sharp's mother and the sister of BTCEB honcho Michael Kelley. Around the time this photo was taken Casey started participating in the Race Across America (RAAM).

    wow, I met Kye racing and he was a nice guy. Never knew that Casey was his mom though. Great pics as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    This is Casey Patterson with her Cunningham around 1986. Casey is Kye Sharp's mother and the sister of BTCEB honcho Michael Kelley. Around the time this photo was taken Casey started participating in the Race Across America (RAAM).

    Nice legs on her with bonus Cunningham!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    This is Casey Patterson with her Cunningham around 1986. Casey is Kye Sharp's mother and the sister of BTCEB honcho Michael Kelley.
    She now lives in Fairplay Co. She has been in the shop and had a few great stories to tell!
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    Pat Oliver (RIP) of the Berkeley Trailers Union (BTU) on Mammoth in 1985. The BTU boys were the first to show up at Repack from outside of Marin County, and they did within a month of the first race. They pioneered the use of body armor in downhill, starting with catcher's equipment.

    The members of the BTU have not received the recognition they deserve for being pioneer downhillers. Unfortunately for their image, they didn't have a remote location like Repack to practice their craft, and they managed to piss off a boatload of hikers in the Berkeley Hills
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    Great stuff Charlie, thanks for the history lesson . This thread should be stickied, it doesn't get any more authentic than this! It would be a shame to lose it to the Forum "recycling program".

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    I hadn't noticed, but Pat Oliver is riding a coaster brake with a front caliper brake.

    Makes me nervous just thinking about riding Mammoth on that stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    The members of the BTU have not received the recognition they deserve for being pioneer downhillers. Unfortunately for their image, they didn't have a remote location like Repack to practice their craft, and they managed to piss off a boatload of hikers in the Berkeley Hills
    Quite the characters they were. I remember meeting "Jungle" Jon Poschman out in Utah on a tour and his tales of destroying frames jumping off landing docks or just bunny hopping "you just pick it up and slam it down."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    This is Casey Patterson with her Cunningham around 1986. Casey is Kye Sharp's mother and the sister of BTCEB honcho Michael Kelley. Around the time this photo was taken Casey started participating in the Race Across America (RAAM).
    I used to work out at the gym (actually a doctor's office with gym equipment) with Casey during her RAAM days. Some people may not know that after winning RAAM she was hit by a truck while training along Pacific Coast Highway and suffered major injuries. She was very strong before the accident, but worked harder at physical rehab than anyone I have ever seen or thought possible. She pushed to the point where couldn't help but cry. I would constantly encourage her and then she would make sure that I didn't take things easy. She is an amazing person.

    I also worked with Kye at a bike shop. Damn that guy was strong! He was riding and racing XC on a Descender, which weighs a ton, and those of us on our lighter bikes had no ability to keep up with him.

    Good genes and good people.
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    Closing in on 10,000 views. What do you have to do around here to get "sticky?" Can we put this into a gallery?

    Here's another shot of the start of the first Kamikaze, 1985. Interesting collection of bikes and helmets. Bailen, a Skid Lid, and early Bells. Couple of motorcycle helmets also. Bullmoose all around.

    You are looking down the course, which starts off steep and then gos off-camber to the left in powdery granite dust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Here's another shot of the start of the first Kamikaze, 1985. Interesting collection of bikes and helmets. Bailen, a Skid Lid, and early Bells. Couple of motorcycle helmets also. Bullmoose all around.
    Check out the leather helmet on the guy in the foreground. Now that's vintage!
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    I can't recall where Gary and I acquired this Schwinn Paramount tandem, probably from a clubmate who didn't have room for it. So we kept it around because it was a cool bike and you could actually use it to troll for pedestrian girls.

    One afternoon around 1975, Gary and I rode it to Fairfax, where we came across my current riding companion Pat, playing frisbee. Pat and Gary horsed around on the bike, and Pat says I took the photo, which now hangs on his wall.
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    CKs Paramount Tandem

    Hey CK,
    That's one sweet Schwinn. Another EBay fortune lost. It would apprear that you guys didn't have much fun hanging out in Fairfax back then. Everyone seems so uptight and conservative in your pictures

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Fastale, try watching the movie Klunkerz for a history lesson. Its out on DVD now.
    Yup, just got my copy and watched it. I very much enjoyed it. Man, I might even give up my 5" dualie for a chance to go back in the day and fly down a mountain with you guys. I'd even be nice enough to bring some "smokeables" with me

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    It's sad this thread had to die.

    Thanks Charlie

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastale
    It's sad this thread had to die.

    Thanks Charlie
    I hadn't see this. Thanks for the bump!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastale
    It's sad this thread had to die.

    Thanks Charlie

    It didn't die. Its under the 'Legends Thread' in the VRC sticky at the top of this forum.

    Problem is that most people don't bother use the sticky.


    This is one of the better threads here though.
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    itsWITZ, moab

    so....,

    I get todays copy of "Dirt Rag" ... and I'm thinking "I wonder if CK ever writes for these guys'?

    Then..., I open it up and on page one (after the opening ads) "hey", ' here's some guys I know'.

    Joe(y), Billy Savage (wwhom I met once while he was working on the "K"), and ... upon close inspection, a neatly trimmed CK. I mean, I actually had to read the caption to recognize YOU!!!

    Wish I could have been there for the Fairfax showing but, uh ..... with the price o' gas. I'm IN the movie, you know ... with my back to the cam ... at the West Coast Open Cyclo-cross .... I met the Cupertino boys that day too, but .. i thought they were crazy to be riding those bikes. Turns out "I" was the crazy one NOT to be.!?!

    I'm so pleased and proud that you guys are, well... you guys!

    hey, ck, got any old pic o' me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itswitz
    hey, ck, got any old pic o' me?
    1981 race in San Anselmo. You're fifth from the right, behind Erik Koski.

    I didn't let the thread "die" so much as I ran out of photos.
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    More Marc

    Here you are setting up to take the Dead Heifer corner in Fairfax:



    And a little wide...



    Circa 1983??



    Here we are in front of your cabin in Castle Valley a few years later, say 1986-87?


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    I love this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigred67
    I love this thread.

    I know right!
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    A thread worth bringing back to the top.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    A thread worth bringing back to the top.

    both cool pictures, but that one of Joe and CK is awesome. Where'd you find that one?

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    Oh man, LOVE the pics!!

    Yea, Thomas made a killer deal

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    The photo of Joe and me was taken by Wende Cragg on our 1978 trip to Mineral King. During that Golden Age before anyone thought to legislate bike activity in those areas, we rode for three days on trails that will probably never be ridden again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    The photo of Joe and me was taken by Wende Cragg on our 1978 trip to Mineral King. During that Golden Age before anyone thought to legislate bike activity in those areas, we rode for three days on trails that will probably never be ridden again.
    My new favorite pic from that era. I thought for sure that by now I had seen all of Wende's good shots. So glad she dragged around that camera.


    (those don't look like Mafac brakes?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    both cool pictures, but that one of Joe and CK is awesome. Where'd you find that one?

    Pretty cool huh.

    I got that one from...Mountain Bike (for the adventure) I think?
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    Love the old school

    Finished in Fairfax after riding Mt. Barnaby today- saw Cunningham on his claasic drop bar cunningham mtb with jeans and a down jacket- it was 75 degrees!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    (those don't look like Mafac brakes?)
    Weinman. Thought you knew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootsie_cat
    Finished in Fairfax after riding Mt. Barnaby today- saw Cunningham on his claasic drop bar cunningham mtb with jeans and a down jacket- it was 75 degrees!

    Would love to see a picture of that.
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    Another cool one:

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    More Marin in the '70s...

    Ooops...wrong website
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    This one turned up in the collection Billy had of Wende's photos. I don't recall ever seeing it, and I don't know where or when it was taken, but it looks like about 1978.

    The t-shirt is from a band called TooLoose Ta Truck, which was Phil Lesh, Terry Haggerty, John Allair and Steve Mitchell. They played maybe four or five gigs, and I roadied for them.
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    Great thread, or Greatest thread?

    (I'm very thankful for all the contributors, it's fantastic to see history narrated by those who were there!)

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    Looks just like the guy I met at the Sons free show in 73 or 74, Frost Amphitheater, hey, wait a minute, it IS that guy 8o)......
    I rode there on my 64 Cinelli, was working(playing) security for another band,Osiris(scary thought in itself)
    When I rolled up on my all campy bike,same guy as pictured above came boiling out of the band chamber, was all gaga over my old Cino.....
    14 or 15 yrs later, Charlie was MC'ng the nationals at Mammoth, I think, with Peter Graves, fighting over background music selection at the event.
    We had a memorable, "I know you" moment, dug deep into our collectively faded memory banks, came up with the chance mtng at Frost many years before...
    Talkin to Joe Breeze at the ROMP Xmas party last year, we spoke of this encounter, he added, that he , Otis G, and 1 other fellow whose name evades me presently, rode their tandem from Marin to Santa Cruz that day.They were trying to get back in time for the free show,however, circumstances intervened that kept them from attending.
    Great photo Charlie,
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    Found another to bump the thread. I'm running low, 'cuz most of them are already on the thread, but today I dug up this one.

    Japan, 1984. Dale Stetina, Tom Ritchey, a Japanese guy and me, with Denise Caramagno hidden behind me.
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    Damn CK!

    I might'a had a whole different movie if you found these pictures while I was making Klunkerz. This thread has gotten awfully big since the Mill Valley premiere. I like to think I inspired you a little to dig through your stuff and share them with the world. I really appreciate you putting these shots up here for us to enjoy and I know the rest of the folks here do, too. Do me a favor and save a few for your book, would ya?

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    At the risk of "hijacking" Charlie Kelly's 'Marin old mt bike photos thread', thought I would insert a Southern California old photo, a previously never seen before photo of the original ROSS INDIANS returring from the original 1983 Spring Training Camp on Catalina Island, April 1983:


    From L to R: John McCormick, Steve McIntosh, Clark Roberts, Jim Harlow, Don Davis

    For a week, did nothing but ride from one end of the island to the other, what fun. Also some of the original ROSS ads and posters were shot on this trip. As a negotiation for 'photo rights' to take pictures on the remote parts of the island, an un-named island ranger received one of the 'team' bikes at the end of the week, the guy was overjoyed, a free mt bike!

    Good times back in the day ...

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    Don Davis turned up a few weeks ago at a charity ride in Fairfax, led by Joe Breeze and myself. First time I had seen him -- since he got the pacemaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazyracer
    At the risk of "hijacking" Charlie Kelly's 'Marin old mt bike photos thread', thought I would insert a Southern California old photo, a previously never seen before photo of the original ROSS INDIANS returring from the original 1983 Spring Training Camp on Catalina Island, April 1983:

    For a week, did nothing but ride from one end of the island to the other, what fun. Also some of the original ROSS ads and posters were shot on this trip. As a negotiation for 'photo rights' to take pictures on the remote parts of the island, an un-named island ranger received one of the 'team' bikes at the end of the week, the guy was overjoyed, a free mt bike!

    Good times back in the day ...

    'Lazyracer'
    And that that ranger still had that bike when he opened up the island to some friends for a weekend in 1986. The interior of Catalina has some pretty fun riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    And that that ranger still had that bike when he opened up the island to some friends for a weekend in 1986. The interior of Catalina has some pretty fun riding.
    And that begs to answer the question does he still have it? One thing I have been waiting to see on this board are some of the original Ross team bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MABman
    And that begs to answer the question does he still have it? One thing I have been waiting to see on this board are some of the original Ross team bikes.

    I seem to vaguely recall that Tom Kellogg made those??

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    Charlie,
    If you see him again anytime soon, tell em hi from an old teammate ...

    RE: old team ross bikes ...
    ... mine was stolen in 1986, was a nice short light bike, a good quality custom mt bike for the era. I had two of them, both built by Jim Redcay (that's what the decals said). the head tube was fillet brazed at the top tube & down tube, the rest of the frame was lugged. I probably could have gotten another one with not much effort, but was sponsored by another bike brand at the time, did not bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    From left, Jim Deaton, Gavin Chilcott, Alan Ott, Sandy Hague, Dave McLaughlin, Sandy Chapman and Steve Tilford.
    Here's Jimmy and his 1985 team bike, taken at SSWC this year:





    I'm a dork and I didn't get any good pics of Jimmy, but he's riding behind me in the last 2 seconds of this video:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/254706...7622324427761/

    Here's Ned, out pre-riding the SSWC course:



    Jacquie and Joe in Flagstaff:



    There's some cool vintage bikes if you click around in here.

    Charlie, some of your pics have dropped off the first page of this thread. Need help putting them up somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by morganfletcher
    Charlie, some of your pics have dropped off the first page of this thread. Need help putting them up somewhere?

    Morgan
    What happened was that I had kept all those photos on the Compuserve server, and in November of last year they quit letting people do that. So they sut down the server and all the photos disappeared.

    I need to put them somewhere new. I'm really close to overwhelming my Photobucket account right now. The Blue Collar Classics thread is crushing it. I guess I need to open a few more with different emails.

    Do you have a server?

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    When I moved out of the old Fat Tire Flyer office in 1991, all the slides then on my desk were scooped into an envelope, and that envelope was thrown in a drawer, not to be seen again until...

    Yesterday.

    I found a photo of Joe Breeze with his 80-degree experimental bike, a pic of Gary Fisher racing, Tim Gould, Cindy Whitehead, and Don Myrah with Tinker Juarez from big Bear 1990. I sold the great photos, so these are a little second rate by my standards, but the subjects are interesting and if I didn't put the photos here, they would still be in the drawer.
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