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    Official Bontrager Thread

    I am getting a well used Bontrager frame that definitely needs a makeover and new powder coating. I was thinking of going the original black way... but then my creative side took over... now, I cannot decide. HELP ME OUT, by posting pics of your Bontrager Race or others and let me know what color <i>you</i> think I should paint it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by
    I am getting a well used Bontrager frame that definitely needs a makeover and new powder coating. I was thinking of going the original black way... but then my creative side took over... now, I cannot decide. HELP ME OUT, by posting pics of your Bontrager Race or others and let me know what color <i>you</i> think I should paint it...
    I'm partial to factory if it's a race or race or...but black is always safe. Black everything out.

    Check some of the other threads for pics as well...Bontragers have come up often in conversation.

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    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...ight=Bontrager
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    Bonking ... not feelin' well Bonnie

    This one belongs to my brother.

    Still brand new, and too small for me.....
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    Origninal colour samples in NYC (and old Chi Chi)

    There is a shop in NYC that probably still has the original tubing colour samples from Bontrager Circ. @1992-93. They probably have no idea what they are, they have been hanging on the board behind the register since I got them in in 92-93 (my memory is a bit foggy on dates) attached together on a old Cannondale frame Zip tie. I saw them as recently as 2 years ago and see no reason for them to have moved since.

    They also have a great selection of 90's Chi Chi. Zooka stems, Kooka Cranks, Purple this, Red that, 1 1/4 Mavic headset. They are not collectors, this is stuff just hanging around since "back in the day", and I am sure can be had for a good deal. Just don't be a pain in the ass and ask all sorts of annoying questions about exact specifications and stuff, if it isnt exactly what you wanted there is always Ebay.

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    By the way there is 2 locations, avoid the shop on 3rd like the plauge, very very different attitude.

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    I just built up my first Bonty as an SS - a '92, SAnta Cruz, black with white panels. I'll get some pics up this weekend.

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    Here's mine. Had it for about 5 years, but sold it about 2 years ago to buy my Hunter 29"er. There are times when I miss it, but then I ride my new bike and I don't.

    And my wifes. Its a Trek version. but still anice bike. She LOVES it, the way it rides, how it handles. I repainted it from the hideous blue/orange it was as stock. Self modified stickers. She likes the one-off appearance of it too. THe only stock part left on it is the stem. Everything else has been changed. It also has pre hollowtech cranks on it too.


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    Martini,

    Did you buy that black/blue/white at Dave's Recycled bikes in Santa Cruz by any chance? That looks exactly like my first Bontrager which I parted with there. It is a really odd size, has the top decal on backwards, and has the horizontal drops. It must be the same one, there really can't be more than one that looks just like this.

    She was way too big for me so I had her set up as a cross/touring bike. I'm trying to remember if there was anything else that I could identify it by.

    Take it easy.

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    Nope, and you're the second person in two days to accuse me of being from the SC area! Funny. I'm from Minn. and the bike was originally red, there was some rust under the original powder coat, so I had it redone, and called to ask for more stickers. I liked the TT one better backwards. The bike was one of the last out of the SC factory, so it had the Vert. drops on it. I was running 36-18 which fits perfect w/o a tensioner.

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    How about another identical one without the toptube decal?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue
    Martini,

    Did you buy that black/blue/white at Dave's Recycled bikes in Santa Cruz by any chance? That looks exactly like my first Bontrager which I parted with there. It is a really odd size, has the top decal on backwards, and has the horizontal drops. It must be the same one, there really can't be more than one that looks just like this.

    She was way too big for me so I had her set up as a cross/touring bike. I'm trying to remember if there was anything else that I could identify it by.

    Take it easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aosty
    How about another identical one without the toptube decal?




    Frankie says hi...
    Here 'tis in its orgininal color. Also sans toptube decal. This was taken in Colorado somewhere. Probably on the MonarchCrest Trail. Tires were the Specailized 2.2 Cannibals. Loved those tires. Would like to find another set sometime.


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    How could you possibly get accused of being from Santa Cruz, two Bontragers and a Hunter? I get the same accusation every now and again since I have a couple of Bontragers and a Rock Lobster. I did buy most of them when I was living there though.

    I really thought that was my old one. I should have noticed the different dropouts and the cable routing for the top-pull but the super big size and stickers had me.

    What's the deal on the second one you posted? It looks like a large, is it for sale?

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    ... something

    ... green 'n red 'n yellow one year ago, now it has to be repainted because the powdercoat gets off the dropouts
    it's a '94 race lite, my second "real" custom bike. for me the best hardtail i ever had.

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    Here is mine again...

    [QUOTE=]

    This was taken just after I finished the SS conversion. I really like the deep purple metallic color, but can't take much more of the yellow decals. There really is a lot of unnecessary solid color in their decals. I plan on getting it repainted sometime and applying new, yet slightly altered decals. I'm thinking silver/black if I can still buy them. Although, I really like how the Trek titanium decals look, nice and clean. We'll just have to see what I can get my hands on.
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    The purple one? That's the wifes. If I even think of selling it, I can say buhbye to sex for a good long time. The red one is actually the same bike as the black one. I had a rust problem under the powder coat, so I had it redone.Some guy in S.Carolina bought it two years ago for a steal. $600 as in the black pic.

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    Me and my old meany greeny during a muddy ride at Skeggs. Not the best pic. I was late for the ride and didn't have any of my cycling cloths clean, who say you can't ride in cotton?? (you can, it just sucks)

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    my race

    here is mine in all her splendor. ride her 3-5 times a week and have pretty much over the last 10 years
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    great thread. makes me weepy. had a race for five yrs. great handling in the twisty new england singletrack-loved it but it was time.

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    here's mine . . .

    . . . a '92 Race, Santa Cruz built. I just acquired it and built it up as my first singlespeed (mountain bike, that is). Kitted out with a smattering of vintage parts. Rides sweet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikenerd
    . . . a '92 Race, Santa Cruz built. I just acquired it and built it up as my first singlespeed (mountain bike, that is). Kitted out with a smattering of vintage parts. Rides sweet!
    Nice looking fork. What is it?

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    Loooks liek a abontreraver standae= cmpaostite. holy sows meat i'm drunk as the chica i gave my numer to at th batr.. too may margaties... oh damn! i have tow of those foryks they & they are ho t hot hot.!!! hota damn an d hallkeleujuiah! rock on!

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    you got it, flyingsuperpetis!

    Yep, it's an original Bontrager 3-piece rigid fork, kinda like a Tange Switchblade. Stiff as hell - this thing carves turns like crazy. WTF is a flyingsuperpetis, anyway?

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    here's the front view ~

    the Bonty rigid fork in all its glory

    BTW, flyingsuperpetis, que tomas esta noche? Estas bien borracho, no? He tomado unas tres cervezas belgicas (sp?) y no me siento nada.
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    Hey! That's a me!

    Ohhhh yes, that is one of the finest forks ever made. They sure do handle turns like lips on a nipple. Try to shake em off, just try. Amazing. Once you have one, you may get the idea you could benefit from some softness, ie, a suspension fork. Oh sure, you'd buy a few, start with something cheap, a rockox, then maybe a manitou, then pricier, a Marzocchi, then you go for broke and try a Pace, illigitimately imported from england... it goes on and on. Still you keep the Bontrager, mostly out of sheer obligation. A frame belongs with its fork... well, it's only a matter of time, before you get to thinking, I seem to remember that fork pulling me through these turns twice as fast... sure enough, you ditch the brainslug, and reattach the svelte (relatively) rigid bontrager composite, as the universe intended. Whooooooly shmoka. There it is. There is what you have been missing. Wow. It's like being the wheels on a rollercoaster. You're just in there. And it's fast. And tight. What else is there? Maybe some bumps. You learn how to not hit them, and you do so fast. EVERYTHING seems 15 mph faster. Life is flowing and beuatiful. You take the auction down, and realize it's worth more on the front of your bike than the $300 it would fetch on ebay. A thing of beauty.
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    Ohhh no mezcla margaritas y el mead irlands. peligro del peligro del peligro.

    y tengo gusto de su 986's

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    Thanks ALL!

    This thread is definitely pumping me up!

    I cannot wait to finish the build!

    Either have everything, or everything in mind, except for the cranks. What do you think? Part of me wants to go bombproof Profiles, but part of me doesn't.

    Martini, my good friend, I shot you a message... check it, and make me the happiest man in the world?

    THANKS!

    I really love these BONTRAGERS!!!!
    YAYA!

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    SS Ti Bontrager

    I've set my Ti Bonty up SS using a SoulCraft tensioner, 34x19. It was sweeeet!!! I've since switched it back to geared and built up a Hunter frame the same way, only this is with a Hunter rigid fork and disc brakes.
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    Nice choice in the Hunter! I've got one too. 29" EBB and disc. Swanky ride. Lets see a picture of yours. I like the Ti lite, you coulda run a 36-18 w/o a tensioner too.

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    My 94' Bontrager Race. Rebuilt and repainted this winter. stem/bar-combo, RS SL Ti, copmplete XT M-730, cranks will be replaced with black anodized M-730

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    One very very very used Bontrager

    This is my 90-something Privateer Comp. Mojo visible on stem. Pedals currently inhabiting another bike...


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    97 Privateer Comp just upgraded

    that's my ride
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    Quote Originally Posted by phatphil
    here is mine in all her splendor. ride her 3-5 times a week and have pretty much over the last 10 years
    WHOA!! Where'd ya get the saw blade logo sign??? Very cool!!

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    Here's mine, it could be yours...

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    Here's my Bontrager fleet..

    In Front - Race Frame w/ Comp fork and an extra Race Fork .
    Left - Bontrager Singlespeed(Factory) w/ Custom 2002 SID SL
    Center - RaceLite w/Comp fork and Moustache bars. (My favorite ride)
    Right - RoadLite

    It's a sickness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyOne
    In Front - Race Frame w/ Comp fork and an extra Race Fork .
    Left - Bontrager Singlespeed(Factory) w/ Custom 2002 SID SL
    Center - RaceLite w/Comp fork and Moustache bars. (My favorite ride)
    Right - RoadLite

    It's a sickness.

    jw
    Very nice. I really like the RaceLite with shiney forks...
    I am getting my hands on a Race w/ shiney Comp fork with the semi horizontals, gonna be an SS...

    Still trying to decide on cranks and color...

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    8 years and counting...

    Clydesdale owner here. 8 years and still riding like brand new. Original horrible orange color, which I still love to this day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren
    Clydesdale owner here. 8 years and still riding like brand new. Original horrible orange color, which I still love to this day.
    I like orange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek
    Here's mine, it could be yours...

    Here, this seems more properly


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    Good job! Looka!

    Some shop is selling a couple NOS pairs of Bonty cut-downs. Hard Ano MA-40s & Silver MA-2's

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=42317

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=42317

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    Yeah they have been up for a month or more

    I'm surprised that they're not all gone by now, unless of course they have 50 of them.
    I've been debating about picking up a pair of the MA-40's but seeing that have more than 2x as many wheelsets as I have bikes to put them on more rims doesn;t really seem wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aosty
    How about another identical one without the toptube decal?

    Here's the same bike again...almost done now:





    Just waiting on my XT Thumbshifters now...


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    Very nice - and is that a Krylon-job on the fork?

    Also, nice collection of boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aosty
    Very nice - and is that a Krylon-job on the fork?

    Also, nice collection of boxes.
    Yeah, I put about 6 coats of satin black on the fork. Hope you don't mind. I figure I can always get some more Judy legs if I want to go back to the OEM look.


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    Unmolested Race Lite frame

    Here's a pic of my unpainted Race Lite. It was reps frame to take around to the shops and have them examine. The heat tint from the welds look cool. I haven't decided what to do with it yet. I may have it clear powder coated.
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    Good job! ... before

    Quote Originally Posted by HoSS
    Here's a pic of my unpainted Race Lite. It was reps frame to take around to the shops and have them examine. The heat tint from the welds look cool. I haven't decided what to do with it yet. I may have it clear powder coated.
    ... you do anything, please please please make photos of all the details and show them to us and/or send them to [email protected]

    i would be very happy

    ciao
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    Quote Originally Posted by floibex
    ... you do anything, please please please make photos of all the details and show them to us and/or send them to [email protected]

    i would be very happy

    ciao
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    Better hope you get more pics soon, it's already on eBay: liNky

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    Pics coming

    I thought long and hard about keeping this frame but can't justify it right now. I've decided to sell it but will take detail pics before it goes and post here. Kills me to sell this thing. I waited a long time to get it. Hope it goes to a good home.
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    my race

    not quite how it is now,
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    how it was when new

    first built up. has hs33's and xt chainset now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmo
    first built up. has hs33's and xt chainset now.
    What's up with the front brake set-up? Why are the cants behind the fork?

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    Here's mine. It's a 92' medium race frame in the original dark purple color. Also a pic of the race lite that was on the cover of the 94 catalog from Bontrager. One of the things that amazes me about this bike is that I have replced almost every part on the bike at least once but the frame is still going. I have used j.p. weigel frame saver in it once or twice and that must have doen some good because I rode it in the rain a fair amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux
    What's up with the front brake set-up? Why are the cants behind the fork?
    It is how Pace have always been.

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    Wow, super pictures there...

    Wow some beautiful bikes :-) Not sure why everyone is killin the orange/white/light blue colour scheme, thats one of my favourites! Will have to get some pics of my Race built up as a geary and the Race Lite as a disked up SS for the UK winters (and much much more) - I know its a sacriledge to have it welded but keith himself said it would be OK. Using stickers made up by a guy I know, same colours as originals but in layers instead of just one bit. Anyone need some I'll let you know how much they come to...

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    Please post some photos of your RaceLite when you get a chance. I saw your post on Singletrackworld and it sounds like a cool conversion.

    jw


    Quote Originally Posted by SSBonty
    Wow some beautiful bikes :-) Not sure why everyone is killin the orange/white/light blue colour scheme, thats one of my favourites! Will have to get some pics of my Race built up as a geary and the Race Lite as a disked up SS for the UK winters (and much much more) - I know its a sacriledge to have it welded but keith himself said it would be OK. Using stickers made up by a guy I know, same colours as originals but in layers instead of just one bit. Anyone need some I'll let you know how much they come to...

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    I have some detailed pics of my old original Ti Lite. If anyone would like copies, please email me or PM me.

    Thanks
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    All I've got is a 60cm mid- eighties hand-brazed cross frame and fork. So old it's standard geometry. If only I could grow a few inches...

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    Finally sorted this pic business!

    OK, so here are the pics. One of the Race OR geared, one of the Race Lite SS, one of the disc mount welded on the Race Lite SS, and one of the the no tensioner needed drivetrain of the SS (running 36-18 but also have 32 and 40 teeth rings for hills/flat places!). Hope this works...

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    Damn...

    ... think the pics were too big. Back again later!

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    My 89/90 Race

    There is only one colour for a bonty - Grey

    This is my Race
    It started out with red banded decals, and I got the yellow ones about 93

    It's got a fillet brazed Seat Tube to top tube / stays.
    Horizontal Dropouts
    Bonded & Riveted Cable guides

    Pics of -
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    Prototype velo bontrager saddle
    Prototype bontrager PG ti bars

    Other kit - XT hubs, Mechs, Thumbies, BB
    Specialized BCX23 rims
    USE Shimmed Ti Post
    New ! cheapo SPd's (747's are around somewhere)
    Magura Hydraulics
    SRP ti bolts everywhere
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    One more....

    asdfasd
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    This is my 95 Race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BontyRaceOR
    This is my 95 Race.

    Wow! Did you repaint it, or is the paint still that shiny?

    I remember when my Race Lite looked like that many many years ago. Now I leave it covered in dust and dirt so that the beat-up finish is less obvious.

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    Crell,
    Sweet setup, especially the thumbshifters. I have switched to Rapidfire Plus once, 8sp XT, and they were great in their own way, but I always switch back to thumshifters. One thing, though. Maguras on a Bontrager, without a brake booster? Can you lock the rear brake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux
    Wow! Did you repaint it, or is the paint still that shiny?

    I remember when my Race Lite looked like that many many years ago. Now I leave it covered in dust and dirt so that the beat-up finish is less obvious.
    It's the original paint! I use Sonax Extreme Wax (wax for cars) to protect the paint.

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    Acouple of mine

    Here are mine. I'm actually trying to sell the OR if anyone is interested Ti lite will not ever be sold is a bit different from the picture. It has the original decals and acouple more ti pieces on it. I'll get an updated pic up soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uphiller
    Crell,
    Sweet setup, especially the thumbshifters. I have switched to Rapidfire Plus once, 8sp XT, and they were great in their own way, but I always switch back to thumshifters. One thing, though. Maguras on a Bontrager, without a brake booster? Can you lock the rear brake?
    Tim

    No problem at all locking the wheel - esp with the 4 finger levers. The frame flex isn't too bad - it improves modulation ...which on early maguras is pretty dire.

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    Here's mine

    All bonty parts, race light cranks with race milled rings, santa cruz stem, race wheels, Judy XC with englunds, nice perf leather Ti railed saddle, New Jones tires (still have white mold release all over them), race bar, pauls levers and brakes (changing to XTR), XTR 8sp. All bonty parts with the paw logo. All new. Medium, I like large also, a little more roomy . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    All bonty parts, race light cranks with race milled rings, santa cruz stem, race wheels, Judy XC with englunds, nice perf leather Ti railed saddle, New Jones tires (still have white mold release all over them), race bar, pauls levers and brakes (changing to XTR), XTR 8sp. All bonty parts with the paw logo. All new. Medium, I like large also, a little more roomy . . .

    Ok i will take this one and the red one above.............I need a medium frame now..........**** I will take a privateer for crying out loud, anyone................?

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    Hey Williwoods,
    It was you who emailed me a week ago right? If so, I've got your pictures coming tomorrow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    Hey Williwoods,
    It was you who emailed me a week ago right? If so, I've got your pictures coming tomorrow.


    what was I looking at? remind me. Will

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    My NOS orange santa Race with your choice of stickers... But it was an XL, and I see you mentioned a med. Maybe it wasn't you. Bummer, I lost an entire .pst file (many emails) in the middle of getting photos for someone... suppose I'll have to list it again in the classifieds at some point. Whoever you are, I'm not ignoring you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    My NOS orange santa Race with your choice of stickers... But it was an XL, and I see you mentioned a med. Maybe it wasn't you. Bummer, I lost an entire .pst file (many emails) in the middle of getting photos for someone... suppose I'll have to list it again in the classifieds at some point. Whoever you are, I'm not ignoring you!

    thats too bad about the size, anyone ride a medium...........has that same person tried a large? I am in between sizes and could go in either direction. Will

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williwoods
    thats too bad about the size, anyone ride a medium...........has that same person tried a large? I am in between sizes and could go in either direction. Will
    I just sold a "large" Race Lite last week.

    How tall are you?

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    Did someBonnie call?

    Here is my girl. She's still holding up well. I have a SID with Englund Air cartridges ready to install as my Summer project.


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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux
    I just sold a "large" Race Lite last week.

    How tall are you?

    5'9"

    Used to ride a medium Privateer soldthat one (like an idiot)
    bought a full suspension bike k2 razorback
    jonesin for that bontrager feel again though
    Full-Sus is ok just not quite the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williwoods
    5'9"

    Used to ride a medium Privateer soldthat one (like an idiot)
    bought a full suspension bike k2 razorback
    jonesin for that bontrager feel again though
    Full-Sus is ok just not quite the same.
    You really are right on the line between medium and large. You could probably go either way, but since you know that you like the medium, it's probably a safer bet.

    I'm 6'0", and according to the catalogs, the large fits 5'9"-6'1" and the x-large fits 6'0"-something. I've always ridden a "large" frame and like it.

    Prices seem to be reaonable on Race and Race Lites now, so you should be able to pick one up for a reasonable cost. I sold my full-xt (mostly '97 components) in decent shape for $500.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux
    You really are right on the line between medium and large. You could probably go either way, but since you know that you like the medium, it's probably a safer bet.

    I'm 6'0", and according to the catalogs, the large fits 5'9"-6'1" and the x-large fits 6'0"-something. I've always ridden a "large" frame and like it.

    Prices seem to be reaonable on Race and Race Lites now, so you should be able to pick one up for a reasonable cost. I sold my full-xt (mostly '97 components) in decent shape for $500.

    Good luck!


    See my prob is I got short legs and long torso I think I had a 120-130 mm stem on my medium and a layback seatpost. Worked great and felt good but I still wonder if a Large may be better.

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    straight from ebay............

    Looks Interesting....not quite as nice as a race-lite though.


    Here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williwoods
    Looks Interesting....not quite as nice as a race-lite though.


    Here
    Interesting and kinda cool. The seller has it listed on the SF craigslist for $750but negotiable if anyone is interested and not wanting to do the Ebay thing. After that scam alert, who wants to.

    http://www.craigslist.org/pen/bik/34365405.html

    Wiliiwoods,

    For all it's worth, I am 5'11" and mostly torso myself. I feel fine on medium or large Bontragers. At 5'9" with a short inseam, I would stick with a medium but you know your riding style best. You also might want to consider what fork you will put on it. An 80mm fork will raise the front compared to the intended 65mm. This will slacken the seat tube and head tube angle thereby leaning your seat further backwards giving a bit of offset and will bring the stem up. If you are in between sizes and looking to run a more modern fork, I would go with the medium. I would think a medium with an 80mm fork and a 130x0 stem would put the bars and seat pretty close to where a large would put them with a 65mm fork and a 120x10 stem.

    I have two larges. The one with the intended fork length feels smaller than the one with the 80mm marzocchi eventhough the frames have the same geometry.

    Cheers

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    Thank u SSue, that was the insight I needed, I will prob use an 80mm fork for sure, my old privateer had a 63 Judy with 1.25 crown offset. What more modern fork has the most similar rake spec? Any good suggestions? I would go with either a 1-1/8" or 1" Bontrager, I dont discriminate as they all feel nearly identical imho......? I have not really ridden a race or race-lite enough to really say but having fork flexibility is pretty attractive without cutting headtubes off etc........
    I always liked the quick handling of the medium with 63mm set-up, so maybe 80mm will be the cats meow as the handling should still be a bit quicker than most other vintage frames of the era, bontrager geometry etc....am I making sense? If I find a medium privateer I have an 02 mars super I can throw on. Would this be a good choice? Thanks again.

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    I found that once you throw an 80mm fork on a Bontrager, the steering mellows out quite a bit. It won't be as quick as before but will be similar to many of the bikes being built around 80mm forks today. Is this what most other people are finding?

    I can't say I know too many forks. I got stuck on marzocchis early and stuck to them although I can see why people like other forks given their weight. I can say for sure that I don't like the tpc mainitous and the judy sl's.

    cheers

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    Wink Bontragers eh?

    a couple nice Bontragers...



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    wholy crap....NINE?!

    I love the small rasta. If I were to ever go for another it would be something along those lines in small or medium.

    nice

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    Hehe, ten. Two orange Races, two black racelights, two bmxs, the rasta, the ti, the road, cyclocross (not pictured). Plus a few sawed-off old ones for use as stools...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    Hehe, ten. Two orange Races, two black racelights, two bmxs, the rasta, the ti, the road, cyclocross (not pictured). Plus a few sawed-off old ones for use as stools...
    Wow! You've gone a long way to make me fill better about myself. I though that I was over extended in the Bonty department, but it turns out you're worse!!!

    I currently have:
    - Race Lite : red, 9-speed
    - Ti Lite : 8-speed
    - Race : silver, single speed
    - CX : black, 9-speed
    Plus two unbuild frames: one Race Lite, and an '83/'84 frame.

    I recently sold an orange Race Lite (8-speed), and sold my Road Lite a couple of years back.

    All of this seems mild compared to you! Nice collection!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    Hehe, ten. Two orange Races, two black racelights, two bmxs, the rasta, the ti, the road, cyclocross (not pictured). Plus a few sawed-off old ones for use as stools...
    ... this makes me feel very very sick as I need single speed, cyclo x and road frame to get safe and sound again

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    here's my bontrager.

    is there a website for history of this frame ?

    thanks , dirt diggler
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    What is the silver fork leaning against the blue/white bonty? Does it have long forward facing fork tabs. What year is it? Does it have any markings on it that signify it as a bontrager fork, other then the "B" on the front of the fork crown. Does the steering tube have "tange" stamped anywhere on it?

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    It's a Bontrager Race, which pre-dates the Tange. One of the many ways to tell the difference between the Bontrager and the Tange is the brake studs.
    Bontrager made two different forks, the Race and the Comp. And then they made many variations of each. My Race has normal dropouts, not the slotted ones. I've got 2 crowns to use with it for different axel to crown heights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scurra
    What is the silver fork leaning against the blue/white bonty? Does it have long forward facing fork tabs. What year is it? Does it have any markings on it that signify it as a bontrager fork, other then the "B" on the front of the fork crown. Does the steering tube have "tange" stamped anywhere on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyOne
    It's a Bontrager Race, which pre-dates the Tange. One of the many ways to tell the difference between the Bontrager and the Tange is the brake studs.
    Bontrager made two different forks, the Race and the Comp. And then they made many variations of each. My Race has normal dropouts, not the slotted ones. I've got 2 crowns to use with it for different axel to crown heights.

    jw
    Mine has slotted dropouts. Do you know the rough date? (late 80s or early 90s). I have an issue of 1990 MTB Action and it pictured a bontrager with switchblade fork. Looks closer to you other fork, with clamp on brake posts.

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    Sorry, no clue as to when they where made. I do think the Race came first and then the Comp was the last to go out of production. But they were making both models for some time. I have a few catalogs that list both forks from 1990 & 91.

    jw

    Quote Originally Posted by scurra
    Mine has slotted dropouts. Do you know the rough date? (late 80s or early 90s). I have an issue of 1990 MTB Action and it pictured a bontrager with switchblade fork. Looks closer to you other fork, with clamp on brake posts.
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    I knew I saw this thread,
    Finally got it build back up.

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    Good job!

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    Here's my Bontrager Race, size Medium, in forest green. I bought this frame from a shop in 1995 where it had been hanging from the rafters on display (and collecting dust) for a long enough time that I felt I should by it. I built it up and rode it off and on for about 2 years solid before I began riding it less and less as I started acquiring more bikes for the growing obsession. I haven't ridden it at all, other than in my driveway, since at least 1998. A couple years ago I did manage to scour the nation in search of what seems to have been the last higher-end 1" threadless XC fork. The Manitou SX-R you see in this photo replaces the Manitou it was originally built with (can't remember the model designation, but was also black and the "sh*t" back when).
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    What's wrong with this picture?

    This is a 98 Privateer S. When I bought the bike I upgraded the components to XT. I rode it as a Single Speed for a couple of years and then put the gears back on and put on a girl's seat and shorter stem for my wife.

    For those of you that don't know, all Privateers were made by Trek. Here's a Web site that talks a little about <a href="http://www.ridesmarter.com/main.htm">Bonty </a> Frames.

    The cool thing about the 98/99 frames (1999 being the last year they were made) are the 1 1/8 head tube; that's right, that's a 1998 Marzocchi Super Fly; the last fork Marzocchi made without disc tabs.

    This bike doesn't get ridden much anymore, but before my Rocklobster (which was made from some old Santa Cruz Bonty Tange steel Paul still have left over) this was my main ride.

    1G1G, Brad
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    Quote Originally Posted by aka brad

    This bike doesn't get ridden much anymore, but before my Rocklobster (which was made from some old Santa Cruz Bonty Tange steel Paul still have left over) this was my main ride.

    1G1G, Brad
    Cool, so is it one of the ones labelled as a Nontrager?

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    1995 Race Lite

    added a 1 1/8 headtube (courtesy of Paul Sadoff at RockLobster) and new paint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riderup
    added a 1 1/8 headtube (courtesy of Paul Sadoff at RockLobster) and new paint.
    Riderup, I think that I emailed you quite some time ago about your 1.125" equipped Bontrager, but maybe not. Oh heck ya, it hadta be you, what are the chances that someone else had done what you did! Anyway, I contacted Rock Lobster about putting an eccentric bottom bracket on my Bontrager and was shot down in flames. He did remember your conversion, and mentioned something about the thinness of the tubing and all of the gussetts and such. Anyway, he declined the job and I guess I'm not really all that affected by it...I can still run a 2:1 ratio with a 36/18 gearing without a tensioner.

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    I'd trust Paul. He built me my favorite bike, despite it's oddity.
    Picture attached...853 top and down tubes, Ritchey NiTi seattube, columbus seatspays, and tange chainstays, with a 1.5 inch headtube, running a 70mm ultra Headshok. I love the rigid-fork-like aesthetics of the headshok, plus it steers great and has a very nice lockout...perfect for ss. The bike's got subb11 dropouts and I'm using a Phil Wood chainstay mounted device to run rear disc. Mango king hubs round it out.



    Quote Originally Posted by loonyOne
    Riderup, I think that I emailed you quite some time ago about your 1.125" equipped Bontrager, but maybe not. Oh heck ya, it hadta be you, what are the chances that someone else had done what you did! Anyway, I contacted Rock Lobster about putting an eccentric bottom bracket on my Bontrager and was shot down in flames. He did remember your conversion, and mentioned something about the thinness of the tubing and all of the gussetts and such. Anyway, he declined the job and I guess I'm not really all that affected by it...I can still run a 2:1 ratio with a 36/18 gearing without a tensioner.
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    My beater

    Gotta love the Carumba cranks. Broke a few BB's but those things are great.
    Anyone know what year the privateer was brought out?

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    a not very retro race


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    Quote Originally Posted by xrmattaz
    This one belongs to my brother.

    Still brand new, and too small for me.....
    .....where does your brother live?!

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    1998 Privateer S

    Here it is in all its orange and aqua glory! Upgraded to XT deraillers. Just aquired a race Lite frame, so I am probably selling the Privateer. Drop me an email if you're interested in it. pmleblanc AT mac DOT com
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    Got an intersting lead to a Bontrager Ti Lite last week, from a friend of mine. I emailed the owner/seller of the frame to ask about further details. The add told it had a crack and he didn't want a lot for it. It took some emails back and fort before I decided to pick it up.

    So; here's my second Bontrager;




    As said; the frame has a crack. The guy I bought it from, was the second owner. I asked him if he ever had ridden it with a short seatpost. He didn't, but looking at the crack leads me to think that either he or the first owner used a too short seatpost.



    I was not in the market for such a frame, let alone one with a crack. But I can tell you this; the price was this good, I just couldn't leave it there. Had to take it. Plans are already running through my head of having this frame fixed and completely refinished. The welding will be done by someone capable of doing such a procedure. Finishing will be done by myself I guess. As with some of my other frames, this will be a long-term project.

    This is my second Bontrager... and ironically both have a crack in the seattube. The RaceLite OR has one in a vertical plane though, between the toptube and wishbone..... That one will be repaired within a half a year, thats for sure.


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    I'm tryin' to upload a photo

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    I'm partial to factory if it's a race or race or...but black is always safe. Black everything out.

    Check some of the other threads for pics as well...Bontragers have come up often in conversation.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...ight=Bontrager
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...ight=Bontrager
    I'd like to show off my bonty but my picture file seems to be too large. I've tried upoadin my picture but i get an error message that says that my file is too large (1.8mb, and the limit is 1.9 kb or something like that) I have a 5mp digital camera that I used. Please help me out if you can. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSBonty
    OK, so here are the pics. One of the Race OR geared, one of the Race Lite SS, one of the disc mount welded on the Race Lite SS, and one of the the no tensioner needed drivetrain of the SS (running 36-18 but also have 32 and 40 teeth rings for hills/flat places!). Hope this works...

    Ian
    I am wondering about where and how you got those disc mounts welded on, and by whom? Could you tell me, sounds like a cool idea for my bonty, mebe.
    Thanks

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    My 2nd Bontrager a '92 Bontrager Race Lite rigid, size L, frame #588 fresh powder coated (silvergrey metallic) looks like "concrete grey" metallic
    Bontrager Competion Composite fork
    King GripNut 1"
    Bontrager Race Stem 1" 140 15�
    Minoura Cable Hanger
    Suntour XC Pro (crankarms/deraileurs/shifter/grease guard bb/seatpost/shifter cables)
    MAVIC (MA40 32� rims/Paris-Gao-Dakkar VTT hubs/Alu qr's)
    Shimano (sharkfinn, brake cables)
    Dia-Compe (986er Canties, SS5 brake levers)
    WTB (Cartidge Brake Pads)
    Selle Italia (Flite Titan)
    Rohloff (8s chain)
    Sachs (Aris 13/32 freewheel)
    Procraft by Modolo (bar 600/12�)
    Magura gripps
    Continental (Vertical Pro 2.3)

    More photo's

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    Nice looking bike!
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    Very nice build. Definitely one of the nicer Bontragers Ive seen.

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    Good job! Very nice

    That is one fine looking bike, congratulations on such a nice build.
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    just finished this up as a present for my wife on her birthday.
    '96 Race Lite (M) w/ original XT components except:
    Spectrum Powdercoat w/ new decals (obviously)
    front wheel (CK ISO w / sun 0 deg XC rim)
    Panaracer Fire XC Pro - Tubeless w/ Stans (front & rear)
    Avid Mech front brake
    White Bros. XC .8 fork (w/ 1" steer tube)
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTM
    just finished this up as a present for my wife on her birthday.
    '96 Race Lite (M) w/ original XT components except:
    Spectrum Powdercoat w/ new decals (obviously)
    front wheel (CK ISO w / sun 0 deg XC rim)
    Panaracer Fire XC Pro - Tubeless w/ Stans (front & rear)
    Avid Mech front brake
    White Bros. XC .8 fork (w/ 1" steer tube)
    CK headset
    Thompon post & stem
    Easton EC 70 cabob bars
    WTB She Speed saddle
    Now that is a cool bike!
    How did you get the 1" for the White? Were they willing to do it at the factory? Or a custom press?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Now that is a cool bike!
    How did you get the 1" for the White? Were they willing to do it at the factory? Or a custom press?
    White Bros. will do it directly (during manufacturing) for an additional $35.00 but you have to pay full MSRP. I actually went through Speedgoat who was selling the regular 1 1/8" version for a good deal less - they charged me $45.00 to have the factory make it with a 1" and it only took a couple of weeks but since this is done during manufacturing the time frame may vary.

    Funny thing about the bike - it still hasn't seen any dirt! My wifes birthday was 12/26 and since then we have seen 17" of rain in So Cal. Ive managed to get out a few time during the breaks in the rain but she hasn't. The sun is out this morning so Saturday will be the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTM
    White Bros. will do it directly (during manufacturing) for an additional $35.00 but you have to pay full MSRP. I actually went through Speedgoat who was selling the regular 1 1/8" version for a good deal less - they charged me $45.00 to have the factory make it with a 1" and it only took a couple of weeks but since this is done during manufacturing the time frame may vary.

    Funny thing about the bike - it still hasn't seen any dirt! My wifes birthday was 12/26 and since then we have seen 17" of rain in So Cal. Ive managed to get out a few time during the breaks in the rain but she hasn't. The sun is out this morning so Saturday will be the day.
    Don't know if I would own a pink bike, but that is really awesome!! Where in blazes did you get the decals minus the huge mylar panels????

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    Quote Originally Posted by loonyOne
    Don't know if I would own a pink bike, but that is really awesome!! Where in blazes did you get the decals minus the huge mylar panels????
    Spectrum Powderworks had/created the decals for me - $40 for all of them including the 'handmade in Santa Cruz' sticker. I was actually expecting the panel and was surprised when I got the frame back. Not sure if it was miscomunication or an artistic descision on their part but I like how it looks this way.

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    Whenever it sees woodland it turns brown...



    Trust me I do clean it! Best riding bike I've ever had bar none. It's outlived half a dozen hardtails I've owned ( including 2 ti ones ). Old skool xtr ( immortal kit ), DX thumbies ( WAY longer lived than the 3 pairs of XT though I'm not sure why ) and a smattering of " back-in-the-day " boutique bits. Cream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeroen
    Got an intersting lead to a Bontrager Ti Lite last week, from a friend of mine. I emailed the owner/seller of the frame to ask about further details. The add told it had a crack and he didn't want a lot for it. It took some emails back and fort before I decided to pick it up.

    So; here's my second Bontrager;




    As said; the frame has a crack. The guy I bought it from, was the second owner. I asked him if he ever had ridden it with a short seatpost. He didn't, but looking at the crack leads me to think that either he or the first owner used a too short seatpost.



    I was not in the market for such a frame, let alone one with a crack. But I can tell you this; the price was this good, I just couldn't leave it there. Had to take it. Plans are already running through my head of having this frame fixed and completely refinished. The welding will be done by someone capable of doing such a procedure. Finishing will be done by myself I guess. As with some of my other frames, this will be a long-term project.

    This is my second Bontrager... and ironically both have a crack in the seattube. The RaceLite OR has one in a vertical plane though, between the toptube and wishbone..... That one will be repaired within a half a year, thats for sure.


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    I had a '93 race lite that developed a crack in the seat tube also. Bontrager sent me a new frame. I sold it and have regretted it ever since.

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    Hope OK, OK, Ok...

    Some people are still keeping their Bonty's rolling and I keep getting asked for this...


    Here's the link to the Bontrager PDF catalog:

    http://www.mtb-kataloge.de/html/bontrager.html


    Enjoy everyone.

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    Hello All,

    I just finished the 9'er Project. It is built up around the BlackSheep Ti fork. I just can't justify a third bike (a 29"), and I can't part with my Bontrager. I'm really happy with the performance a month.


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    Smile my beloved '96 (bought new)

    well here's mine, in it's current incarnation (still kinda odd for me to see it like this since putting it in "semi-retirement"):





    up until recently i rode it for several years spec'd as follows:

    custom built wheelset: bonty valiant rims, XTR hubs, DT spokes, XTR 11-34 cass
    XT crankset w/ race face rings
    SRAM ESP 9.OSL rear der / shim XT front der
    SRAM ESP 9 shifters (8 spd)
    chris king headset
    bonty race stem and bar
    oury grips / coda bar ends
    real designs levers
    XT cantilever brakes
    judy fork w/ englund total air cartridge
    rockshox suspension seat post
    bonty SSM 'race day' saddle
    time ATAC carbon MTB pedals

    last season i finally upgraded to linear pull brakes and swapped out the cantis for an avid arch rival rear brake, single-digit 7 front (wow, brakes actually stop a bike, what a concept). then late in the year the englund cartridge blew out (my second) and i decided it was time to get a full-suspension bike after riding a hardtail since '85 (paid my dues for twenty years). so i pulled the judy and bought a tange rigid fork, swapped the race bar for a ritchey pro rizer, and lastly was forced to replace a valiant rim which had cracked w/ a sun sub IV.

    there you have it. i ride it every day, either between the bus and my office or my jeep and my office. i will have this bike forever. it has served me well, from the boston-->new york AIDS ride, to mt. snow, moab, and of course this wonderful colorado singletrack.



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    . . .We'll ride the spiral to the end
    and may just go where no one's been.

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    Bontrager Race Lite

    I'm new to this forum and I'm glad to see so many Bontragers. I've had this one sitting in storage for several years and decided to build it up. Looked around in storage to find what parts to build it up with and found all this. XTR 8 speed and Spinergy wheels, all new. Great forum!
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    Quote Originally Posted by golfcycle
    I'm new to this forum and I'm glad to see so many Bontragers. I've had this one sitting in storage for several years and decided to build it up. Looked around in storage to find what parts to build it up with and found all this. XTR 8 speed and Spinergy wheels, all new. Great forum!

    Yours looks like an early 90's Race with newer labels, yeah?

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    You're definately on yer way to the " Tartiest Bonty " award dude!
    ps. nice motor!

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    Nah, it's actually a 98 Race Lite frame that I bought at Robinson's Wheelworks in San Leandro, CA. He had Bontrager powdercoat it Judy yellow and had the rasta panels put on. I still have a couple sets of sticker panels around, I just have to find them. I also have a set of superlight original White Industries wheelset, but they are really noisy. But they are light. Yeah, this is pretty "yellowed out" but I may "Rasta it out" later once I find all those parts in my storage.

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    anyone got a source for decals? i got a couple of restorations that need some love
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    NOS Race - Still has the shop SKU sticker on it. XT with Ritchey Logic cranks, XTR headset, Logic brakes, original Megabites and some gold anod SRP bolts here and there. Only needs thumbys and a bar switch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golfcycle
    Nah, it's actually a 98 Race Lite frame that I bought at Robinson's Wheelworks in San Leandro, CA.

    Seriously?

    I always thought the Race-Lites, regardless of year, had the externally milled headtube. Also, your front derailleur uses a pulley which they stopped doing like in '93 or so; later they were all top-pull. The seatstays being two-parts, I always thought, were a pre-Trek detail too.

    Just curious. I could be wrong. There are some Bonty experts here that might chime in.

    edit: older is better anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyOne
    In Front - Race Frame w/ Comp fork and an extra Race Fork .
    Left - Bontrager Singlespeed(Factory) w/ Custom 2002 SID SL
    Center - RaceLite w/Comp fork and Moustache bars. (My favorite ride)
    Right - RoadLite

    It's a sickness.

    jw

    its a sickness without a known cure,thank god. somebody find this man a cross bike and a ti lite
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    its a sickness without a known cure,thank god. somebody find this man a cross bike and a ti lite
    I remember when this this was first posted and I thought, holy god, is he serious. Now I have one more than him, though not nescesarily as nice as his. That factory SS will always get me.

    Also, fewer of mine are built. So sad.

    As for golfcycle's, I think Holden is right. In '98, Bontrager only sold privateers to my knowledge. The switch to single piece stays and away from the pulley routed deraileur cable came right about the same time as the Trek buyout but weren't nescesarily connected. I've heard it both ways from lots of sources.

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    From what you can see through the paint it certainly looks like a racelite- the bottle bosses look to be bonded in...can't make out the headtube - too much yellow - but I've never heard/seen a race lite with a non milled HT.

    ...definitely earlier than 98 - my current race lite was a 96/97 acquisition and it's got one piece stays/no front mech roller etc. I'd guess it's like a 94/95 no earlier since it's not got the uber cool bonded alloy TT cable guides.
    i've got one inch, who needs more?

    (wanted small or medium 93 or earlier race lite, must have bonded TT cable guides)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 95bonty
    From what you can see through the paint it certainly looks like a racelite- the bottle bosses look to be bonded in...can't make out the headtube - too much yellow - but I've never heard/seen a race lite with a non milled HT.

    ...definitely earlier than 98 - my current race lite was a 96/97 acquisition and it's got one piece stays/no front mech roller etc. I'd guess it's like a 94/95 no earlier since it's not got the uber cool bonded alloy TT cable guides.

    I thought the bonded TT cable guides were '91 only, and only early '91 at that. I'm assuming tha it has horizontal drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue
    I remember when this this was first posted and I thought, holy god, is he serious. Now I have one more than him, though not nescesarily as nice as his. That factory SS will always get me.

    Also, fewer of mine are built. So sad.

    As for golfcycle's, I think Holden is right. In '98, Bontrager only sold privateers to my knowledge. The switch to single piece stays and away from the pulley routed deraileur cable came right about the same time as the Trek buyout but weren't nescesarily connected. I've heard it both ways from lots of sources.
    thats about where im at too,need to finish up a few projects.......... and agreed the factory ss would be my holy grail as well
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    Dang, you've got one more then me now.(?) I'm still looking for a CX and a Ti Lite. Guess I better intensify the search again.

    jw


    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue
    I remember when this this was first posted and I thought, holy god, is he serious. Now I have one more than him, though not nescesarily as nice as his. That factory SS will always get me.
    -

    "And single-speeding 29ers are mountain biking's equivalent of Scientologists..." - Captain Dondo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue
    I thought the bonded TT cable guides were '91 only, and only early '91 at that. I'm assuming tha it has horizontal drops.
    i was recently told the bonded cable guides stopped being glued on OR's in 93
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    according to mba

    The january 1993 MBA test shows a RaceLite with square panel decals, bonded TT guides, two piece chainstays, front mech roller and horizontal drop outs. The December 1994 issue shows welded steel TT guides, dual piece stays, front mech roller and slant decals.

    I think the front mech routing changed 96?

    In the UK it was pretty hard to tell what stock we were looking at - when I was looking during 94 the importer still had some square panel/alloy guide RaceLites...sadly I only had the cash for an OR Race at that point ;-(
    i've got one inch, who needs more?

    (wanted small or medium 93 or earlier race lite, must have bonded TT cable guides)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyOne
    Dang, you've got one more then me now.(?) I'm still looking for a CX and a Ti Lite. Guess I better intensify the search again.

    jw
    Ha, I've got a ti-lite and a brazed cx.

    I thought the horizontal dropouts ended in '92 maybe '93. I have a race with horizontal drops and welded steel cable routing so the switch from bonded cable guides should have been in '93 at the latest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue
    Ha, I've got a ti-lite and a brazed cx.

    I thought the horizontal dropouts ended in '92 maybe '93. I have a race with horizontal drops and welded steel cable routing so the switch from bonded cable guides should have been in '93 at the latest.
    how bout some pics of your cx. curved forks?silver rounded crown?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    how bout some pics of your cx. curved forks?silver rounded crown?
    Curved forks. The crown is a lugged one, not that Bontyish at all. I'll look to get picks up tonight.

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    Took the plunge today.

    I managed to find an old Race frame and am now building it up as an SS.

    Have a Surly singleator, Wheelhouse Surly rear wheel, Avid Single Digit 7's, a Raceface crank, etc. for the build. Most likely will put Crank Bros platforms on it.

    The only real variable is the new 1'' Marzocchi XC fork I have on order (they still make 'em, it just takes a while to ship). Most likely will convert to new headset technology and get a RaceFace stem with a 35.4 clamp for really fat handlebars.

    I'm looking at a 110-120mm stem since the XL is a bit smallish.

    Since I don't have the time or the funds right now (the Singleator was inteded for a Specialized before I found the Bontrager) this might take a while.

    Will post the finished product in a few months, promise.

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    Hello everyone!

    Here are my two, a Privateer and a Race.....the Race is now without decals and sporting purple Paul cantilevers (with black cable housing) and a Ringle cage

    Stu




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    .. to determine which detail would lead to exact production dates of sc bontragers might be a bit confusing to be honest...

    this one, my second race lite, had been bought (acc. to the 1st owner) in germany in jan. 1993. so i think/thought it might be produced in '92 ...
    brazed cable guides, vertical dropouts, rigid geometries, tt nearly parallel to the ground (like the original off road).

    my first, but later race lite was delivered in march '94, details like the one above , sloping tt, slightly beefier dropouts, suspension corrected.

    up to '94 you could choose, according to the german dealer brochure, between horizontal or vertical dropouts, rigid or susp. corrected geometries.

    here you'll find some details of a '90 off road, afaik these are made 'til 1991.

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    [QUOTE=fuquaykid]QUOTE]

    You have a Fuquay frame or anything to do with Greg?
    Wanted: Bontrager TI LITE in medium please

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    [QUOTE=Crell]
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    You have a Fuquay frame or anything to do with Greg?
    Hi,

    Nothing to do with Greg but I've got a Fuquay frame, forks and custom stem, they are away being stripped ready for fresh powdercoat at the moment, i'm keeping photgraphic records of the resto though.....here's a photo of the condition when I bought her

    Cheers
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    Nice. He built a friend of mine a Max OR frame. IIRC it was fillet brazed as well. really nice looking bike.

    Does Greg still build our has he left the bike business behind?
    Wanted: Bontrager TI LITE in medium please

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    From what I've been told this one is made from basic Columbus tubing, very light though

    I think Greg has left the bike business but there were rumors he was going to make a comeback.......hope that's true!

    Cheers
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    My '97 broke on the wishbone. Paul @ RockLobster fixed it up, but I rode it to death.
    Bike is in desperate need of a new fork, headset, bottom bracket and wheelset.
    Pretty much every part on the bike is plumb worn out.
    It's getting revamped for some more winter thrashing, keep tuned for the super duper drive train mod. Road cranks, a 36t single ring, and a chain guide. MMMmmm light and simple, yet still fast. Also considering a 12-27 with an Ultegra deraillure and a 28-38 up front. Hmmm...

    It bugs the hell out of me when people pimp out their Bontragers then don't ride them. That's like torture for a bike. Bontys are made to be ridden fast and hard. Ride like you mean it.


    p.s. some sick bikes in this thread!

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    hey flo

    you mentioned a drop out difference between your two race lites-has your earlier race lite got a really anorexic section that goes down to where the derailleur screws in? Kind of like it's notched/has a square-ish cut out of it?? Sorry don't have an image - but interested to see if you have any shots of yours?

    I'm 95% sure I saw a RaceLite frame in the UK in 92/93 with the alloy guides, but the guides were finished in black, with a skinny vertical dropout. But i've never seen anything like it in any of the photo's here or elsewhere.
    i've got one inch, who needs more?

    (wanted small or medium 93 or earlier race lite, must have bonded TT cable guides)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    how bout some pics of your cx. curved forks?silver rounded crown?

    Sorry about the lag, I've not been able to get to where the frame is in storage. I did find the pictures I was sent of it before I got it. Here we go:
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    Did you buy that on ebay maybe a year to a year and a half ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Did you buy that on ebay maybe a year to a year and a half ago?
    No, I got it from another forum member a few months ago in a trade for a brazed Bonty MTB. This one fit me better and I already had a brazed Bonty MTB in need of building up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue
    No, I got it from another forum member a few months ago in a trade for a brazed Bonty MTB. This one fit me better and I already had a brazed Bonty MTB in need of building up.
    Thats a nice one. Pretty sure that was mine at one point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Thats a nice one. Pretty sure that was mine at one point.
    Cool, it is in my queue of bikes needing building. I like it a lot. It could use new paint but I think it will serve a couple of years as a SS cx with the current paint first. I'll just have to keep it well waxed.

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue
    Sorry about the lag, I've not been able to get to where the frame is in storage. I did find the pictures I was sent of it before I got it. Here we go:
    gonna run it as a ss, double thumbsup
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    sorry replying so late, but I'm a bit hindered 'cause I broke the "socket" of my right shoulder "joint" (this might be not the correct medical term ) hopefully I can make some photos end of the week when i get rid of this sling...

    ciao
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    Quote Originally Posted by 95bonty
    hey flo

    you mentioned a drop out difference between your two race lites-has your earlier race lite got a really anorexic section that goes down to where the derailleur screws in? Kind of like it's notched/has a square-ish cut out of it?? Sorry don't have an image - but interested to see if you have any shots of yours?

    I'm 95% sure I saw a RaceLite frame in the UK in 92/93 with the alloy guides, but the guides were finished in black, with a skinny vertical dropout. But i've never seen anything like it in any of the photo's here or elsewhere.

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    ... some days later

    the official bontrager dropout gallery!

    offroad ca. 1991




    race lite "early 1993"




    race lite definitely 1994



    ciao
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    NOS Race, Race Lite (both SC built)

    I previously posted pics of my mid-90s medium Race with 2-piece stays. It was always a bit small, so a couple years ago I put out feelers on CL looking for a large Race or Race Lite.

    I was eventually contacted by two guys - one from SC with a Race Lite (who happened to have a plethora of Bontys and was a friend of Keith), and another guy in Oregon who had an unbuilt, post-Trek, SC built Race frame, likely one of the last of those built locally, with the tags still hanging from well-rotted rubberbands!

    The Oregon guy drove down to the Bay Area to show me the frame, and I bought it on the spot for $300. The SC guy met me in SC one morning after I drove up from the Sea Otter (I was racing DH that weekend). Along with this complete bike I scored a bunch of spankin' new parts (including two 1" custom RS forks (SID and one-off Judy SL with all Ti fasteners and unique damper), Ti-Crowbar, shifters, Bonty tires, yadda yadda. He happened to have been an R&D engineer at RS way back when they still had their operations in SC.

    I sold my medium Race frame to a guy in SoCal.

    One of the interesting aspects are the decals on the Race, clearly a post-Trek configuration. The Race Lite had not OR decals, but the road frame decals which are pretty sleek and minimalist. I like them. I've since built the Race using all the era parts from my first Bonty. It's still lacking a fr, derailleur, but is otherwise fully built.

    (For some reason pics won't load.... sorry!)
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    Just got through wit building up the Bonty that I had sitting around, I used parts that I had stashed over the years and obtained some new parts to go on the bike. One of the parts that I am ecstatic over finding is a Ti one inch threaded stem, $25.00 and also a set of near new Suntour XC Pro thumbies. The bike hasn't seen the trails for many years due to me riding my steel Jamis Dragon. I figure since the Bonty is built again the first ride will be tomorrow night on some fireroads and singletrack.

    I love Bontragers.



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    A late entry

    Here is my 90-91 OR. Bought the frameset from Davis Wheelworks in 90 and took delivery in 91. Still sees occasional usage whenever a hard tail is called for. Some ncie bikes on this thread, enjoyed looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CANBONSAN
    Here is my 90-91 OR. Bought the frameset from Davis Wheelworks in 90 and took delivery in 91. Still sees occasional usage whenever a hard tail is called for. Some ncie bikes on this thread, enjoyed looking.
    BON_OR.JPG

    Thats a nice one! Love those older ones. The Silca pump, the Mavic underbar shifters, IRD Macaroni stem...cool stuff.

    ...er maybe I should say silca-esque pump...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CANBONSAN
    Here is my 90-91 OR. Bought the frameset from Davis Wheelworks in 90 and took delivery in 91. Still sees occasional usage whenever a hard tail is called for. Some ncie bikes on this thread, enjoyed looking.
    BON_OR.JPG

    Where's the original fork?
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    Hanging in the garage,

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Where's the original fork?
    with the rest.

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    Here they are.... Race Lite and Race (NOS and post-Trek), both Santa Cruz built.
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    WOW, so many Bontragers in one place!!

    Why did it take me soooooo long to find you all?

    Now, where's my camera.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Mike
    WOW, so many Bontragers in one place!!

    Why did it take me soooooo long to find you all?

    Now, where's my camera.........
    whatcha got?
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    An XXXL Race ORS in rasta. Nice but well used.
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    I'm surprised that no one has posted this.

    Mountain Bike Action, 1990.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    I'm surprised that no one has posted this.

    Mountain Bike Action, 1990.
    if i had a scanner i could add 7 more pages to this thread
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    New question here.

    does anyone have a scan/PDF of the old MBA article on the ti lites?
    saw the issue on ebay a while ago, but w/ shipping from canada didn't think it would be worth it for just a few pages that interested me...

    thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    I'm surprised that no one has posted this.

    Mountain Bike Action, 1990.
    I think someone on this forum owns this very bike. It's turned up here before. Thanks for posting.

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    been meaning to upload a pic of mine for a while now.
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    My little Privateer S:

    Nice stuff, everyone.

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    Here's a couple of mine, called BJ Fungus, The Bogey Bike.

    Firstly, brand new before ever being ridden....

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    And after a 'summer' race some years ago....

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    that's enormous! funny how the decals look so small along the toptube!
    i've got one inch, who needs more?

    (wanted small or medium 93 or earlier race lite, must have bonded TT cable guides)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 95bonty
    that's enormous!
    It has to be!!!!

    I had the chance of buying BJ's brother a few years ago but couldn't afford it at the time. I wonder where it is now.....

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    I finished this last spring, but I forgot to post the updated picture.


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    I'm guessing a 93 Racelite, cut and weilded as a singlespeed. I got the weight down to 20lbs flat.
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    Here is my Race still in service. Pic is from last weekend on the Loon Lake loop in Idaho. Gotta love Bonti's,
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    Just out of interest, what is the deal with the 'factory SS'? Were some of these sold as singlespeeds straight from the factory? Are there any differences between these and the equivalent geared model at the same time? Right now I have two SS bonties using the magic gear, debating at the moment whether to run the race lite with Pace carbon forks and discs, the race with Pace steel forks and a coaster hub rear brake, or (shh) a Proflex 955 singlespeed in the UK SS champs in Bristol this weeked. I may be swayed by the weather - the race lite is the best in the mud, but the course is bone dry at the moment and tough on rigid bikes so maybe I'll lean towrds the proflex (heresy I hear you shout!).

    Ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSBonty
    Just out of interest, what is the deal with the 'factory SS'? Were some of these sold as singlespeeds straight from the factory? Are there any differences between these and the equivalent geared model at the same time? Right now I have two SS bonties using the magic gear, debating at the moment whether to run the race lite with Pace carbon forks and discs, the race with Pace steel forks and a coaster hub rear brake, or (shh) a Proflex 955 singlespeed in the UK SS champs in Bristol this weeked. I may be swayed by the weather - the race lite is the best in the mud, but the course is bone dry at the moment and tough on rigid bikes so maybe I'll lean towrds the proflex (heresy I hear you shout!).

    Ian
    There are only twelve of them. All converted by Kirk Pacenti when he worked at the SC factory. They are very similar to the geared versions but exceedingly rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSBonty
    Just out of interest, what is the deal with the 'factory SS'?

    Ian
    why?

    you know where one is?
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    Freshly built! New race frame, year, 1996? 9 speed XT, Ilike the gear range, as I ride anywhere fromthe road to eastern singletrack. Picked the parts from what I had, or how they looked. Love the bike! Now I know why Bonty fans are so loyal. (being from MA, I have a FAT and Indy too!) Yes, I know the cables need trimming, I just like to keep them long until all is broken in, or i've made final parts decisions. Will replace the front v-brake as soon as I can locate the proper Marzoke cable hanger.
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    Nice collection of bikes here. This thread has got me excited about (re)building up this Race I bought last month. Just put frame saver in it today. Have most of the parts lying around ready to go back on.

    Will post pics when done.

    -Hong

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    No leads on one I'm afraid, just interested in what they were - so these were track ended/horizontal dropout conversions done after manufacture but in the same factory? How do you tell they were done their and not elsewhere? Didn't they know about the magic ratios for bonties?! (32:18, 36:18, 40:18 etc)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSBonty
    No leads on one I'm afraid, just interested in what they were - so these were track ended/horizontal dropout conversions done after manufacture but in the same factory? How do you tell they were done their and not elsewhere? Didn't they know about the magic ratios for bonties?! (32:18, 36:18, 40:18 etc)...

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    its not about magic ratio's, or horizontal dropout OR frames.its about the real deal from the factory ss frame.

    i'd kill every one in this room for one.
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    And again I taunt you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    its not about magic ratio's, or horizontal dropout OR frames.its about the real deal from the factory ss frame.

    i'd kill every one in this room for one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyOne
    And again I taunt you...

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    i hate you










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    Hey, it took me a bit over 7 years to find one. How long have you been looking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyOne
    And again I taunt you...

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    STOP IT!!!!

    I want my bike back!

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    Bonty Race 96

    Here's mine.Still raced every Friday night!
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    Love those Bontys

    Bought this Large Privateer S back in 98 for $519.00 at SuperGo on a fixed budget.

    I will never part with the bike..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by LJordan
    I will never part with the bike..........
    hail the privateer!

    (but c'mon man, that seat's gotta weigh 4 pounds!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotdirt
    hail the privateer!

    (but c'mon man, that seat's gotta weight 4 pounds!)
    Well, the weekend after I purchased the bike. I did 2 all day tickets at Snow Summit Ski Lifts in Big Bear. After which my buns insisted on the marshmellow comfort seat. So to compensate for the added weight of the seat. I reduced my body fat by 2% so I would weighed in at 192 lbs. 24 of which is the bike.

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    Race lite

    Race lite with Mt. Tam in the background. Some propaganda as well.
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    Here is my Privateer that I have just turned into a single speed. I love riding this bike! I bought it new when I worked at a Bike Barn in Houston Tx back in high school. That was a fun job. Some crappy riding in Houston though. Check out the sweet XTR chain tensioner.


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    no, i wont stop looking.
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    OK now

    put it up on BOTM so I can . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    put it up on BOTM so I can . . .
    done.


    vote early, vote often folks


    its time a bonty took home BOTM
    looking for 20-21" P team

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    no, i wont stop looking.
    HAWTTTT!!!!!!

    what a great paint scheme btw. industrial, no sillynness.
    WTB: Bomber Z2 1 1/8 steerer, in good to excellent shape OR bomber rebuild kit.

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    What the heck is BOTM?

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