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    Take off the head tube while you're at it and put a new one on that accepts integrated bearings for tapered or 1-1/8" bearings.

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    Anyone try running 650b on a Bontrager with sliding dropouts? I could get a new White Bros. fork up front and 650b it... if it would fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goto11 View Post
    Take off the head tube while you're at it and put a new one on that accepts integrated bearings for tapered or 1-1/8" bearings.
    Why?
    Zip ties? Not on my bike!

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    Quote:
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    Take off the head tube while you're at it and put a new one on that accepts integrated bearings for tapered or 1-1/8" bearings.
    Why?
    I know firsthand as the owner of a Bontrager with 1" head tube that it is very difficult to find a decent front shock with a 1" steerer, unless you have White Brothers custom build you one for ~$900.

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    Goto11:
    Theres a guy on Retrobike that had a bonty with horizontal dropouts that used 650B.
    He also used it on his Ti Lite.
    Ill probably do it in the future on my privateer, Im curious to try it myself.
    Check out my privateer link below, its in there somewhere...
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    N10S:
    Nice find!
    It looks almost brand new, and with the steel crowbar that came with it
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    Not with sliders, but with track ends/horizontal drops: Bontrager Single Speed 650b Conversion

    The main issue is rear brake positioning. I have to have my wheel as far back as possible or the brake pads won't reach. And even then the brake noddle clearance is tight.

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    Anyone try running 650b on a Bontrager with sliding dropouts? I could get a new White Bros. fork up front and 650b it... if it would fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by namkrad View Post
    N10S:
    Nice find!
    It looks almost brand new, and with the steel crowbar that came with it
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    Thanks! Having put some trail miles on the bike I can report that it handles like my other past Bontragers and is a joy to ride on singletrack. Thanks to the influences of this thread I just bought a Pace RC31 for the Privateer (this is where the 1.125 head tube really starts to pay-off), and now just have to hunt down the Pace V-brake kit. At any rate I can shed around 1200 grams of weight with the Pace fork and will be on my way to a significantly lighter Privateer, and maybe even a 650B conversion in the future. Looking forward to posting some "after" shots downstream someday.

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    I've been anxious to post this one up for a while. I finally got this bike put together over the weekend, and figured I should take and share some snapshots before I go muck it up. Through a little serendipity (or bicycle Karma or payback or something) and luck, it came together pretty well.
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    Background, for those who care, is this:
    Some time around '95, one of my best friends - a local race god and shop wrench - gave me his XL '94 Race frame, when he traded up to an XXL. For about 9 years, it was my only functioning bike and I put countless miles on it. But after I got my first full-suspension bike, a '97 Ellsworth Truth, used from yet another racer friend, the Bonty slowly fell out of rotation and ultimately into disrepair.

    I always missed the Bontrager though, and so I set out a couple of years ago to start restoring it. But, through a process of rationalization that can only be achieved by someone who spends too much time reading the VRC forum, I got sidetracked. First I thought "Well, if I'm going to go to all this trouble, I might as well do it with a Race Lite," ... and ended up buying one. But then I started worrying that I might now be too heavy for the Race Lite, and decided that "If one is ok, and two are good.... then three must be great!"

    So, long story short, I ended up with this well-used '95 XL Ti Lite frame! Meanwhile, the Truth had fallen into disrepair and, since it was still my main ride, I decided to upgrade it to a modern shock with more travel, and some disk brakes. And boy-oh-boy, did that decision provide me with the ideal parts to build up the Ti Lite!!!!

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    The wheels, skewers, fork, brakes, cassette and rear derailleur came from the Truth. The good folks at White Brothers were kind enough to install a 1" threaded steerer when they serviced the fork. (Amazing customer service , considering that this is a 15 year old fork!)

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    The impossible-to-find 27.0 seat post, in titanium, from Titec no less, was a $40 ebay score. Perfection. (Many thanks to those of you who talked me into being patient and not reaming it out to a larger size.)

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    (Anti-chain suck plate in place!)
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    Crankset, pedals, saddle, shifters and tires came from my parts boxes, and the rest of the parts are new. The polished titanium quill stem, somehow still made by Nitto in this day and age, is the other highlight.

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    I never liked the plain, stock, blue decals (which were mostly missing), so I had Gil M. make me a new set to play off of the red bits on the fork, and to be a little more grahically consistent with typical Bontragers.

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    The ladies seem to approve!
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    Keith,
    That is one beautiful bike. Great job on the build. Functionally and aesthetically gorgeous. Your choice to go with the White fork is the topper in my book.

    Now.......how does it ride?
    Zip ties? Not on my bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff View Post
    Keith,
    That is one beautiful bike. Great job on the build. Functionally and aesthetically gorgeous. Your choice to go with the White fork is the topper in my book.

    Now.......how does it ride?
    Thanks! I'm really happy about it, as you can tell. I'll take my first good ride this week, as soon as I can, but I'm not the guy to give an expert bike review. I've also been off of the Race for a fair number of years, so I don't have a fresh frame of reference. But so far, it basically feels like an "old familiar friend," which is exactly what I was hoping for!

    I've often heard, and can now definitely confirm, that it feels stiffer than the steel versions - be that for better or worse.

    There are some other subtle things about this particular frame (which may actually be a bit unique, too), which would be interesting to fellow Bontrager geeks, but probably nobody else: Geometry differences dictated by the thicker titanium tubing, and what appears to be the intention to require a longer-travel fork. Between those, switching to a seatpost with setback, wider bars, and a taller/shorter stem than I used in the past, it is considerably more comfortable than I remember - which is great, because I'm older than I remember, too!
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    Love the Ti-lite, cool build and nice job on getting it set-up and on the trail again! Out of all of the many bikes I have owned over the years I can honestly say my favorite was a ti-lite equipped with a Marzochhi superfly fork. I don't regret selling many bikes, but thats one I should not have let get away. Thanks for sharing the pics and the story!

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    Okay, Brother followers of Brother Grumpy,

    Here's the situation. Trying to breathe life into an old Bontrager Race / OR. It has regular verticaI dropouts, but it still has the pulley for the front derailleur. I need the brake studs and the pulley. I'm going to just use conventional brake studs rather than the sleeve/ bolt arrangement, apparently they are M8 studs. I also found a nylon pulley which I think might work, out of a kit for sliding doors. I will have to drill out the tin housing around the pulley. So, that might work. What sort of bolt do I need to attach the pulley? I am going to try Fastenal or another fastener supply place, I guess. I already tried Menards and Home Depot. It seems like an M4? 4mm seems to start into the post holding the pulley on, but it doesn't seem to keep going. But maybe I'm doing it wrong.
    If anyone who has some of these, I'd buy them or trade some spoke bracelets for them, same with a chain deflector plate if anyone has it. Or can point me in the right direction. Thanks! If that pulley fits, I'll post a photo of the pulley.

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    Random question: anyone ever try putting 700c wheels on a 26" bontrager frame, and if so, how'd it ride?

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    Do you mean like, with road tires? There isn't anyplace to mount a road brake. There isn't clearance for anything approaching a niner, of course, but people have done 69'ers with mixed results.

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    ...now, how about my problem?!? I have a frame that needs a pulley and brake studs!

    Actually, I might have a pulley that fits. I was wondering, are those Problem Solver repair cantilever stud kits long enough to use for the Race frame, or no good? It looks like the sleeve is included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara View Post
    ...now, how about my problem?!? I have a frame that needs a pulley and brake studs!

    Actually, I might have a pulley that fits. I was wondering, are those Problem Solver repair cantilever stud kits long enough to use for the Race frame, or no good? It looks like the sleeve is included.
    if memory serves, no. the directions on the ps kit tell you to cut the original stud above the flats and then the sleeve goes on

    just make new studs out of old canti bosses. drill through em and cut off the threads
    looking for 20-21" P team

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler View Post
    Random question: anyone ever try putting 700c wheels on a 26" bontrager frame, and if so, how'd it ride?
    I have a 92(?) Race that, according to Keith, was built with the brake posts higher up so somebody in his shop could run CX wheels. Supposedly it worked pretty well, but the frame is halfway across the country (in my parents basement) and still in need of a suitable fork, so I can't speak from experience about whether or not that's true.

    Here's a photo of it mid-build, when I figured out it needed 700c wheels (the person who sold it to me thought it took 26" wheels).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler View Post
    Random question: anyone ever try putting 700c wheels on a 26" bontrager frame, and if so, how'd it ride?
    There were a bunch of the old fillet brazed Bontrager frames with brake studs for both 26" and 700c but that is just a side note. Should fit, brake mounting will be an issue.

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    Regarding the 26"-700c brake issue, there are adapters available that move the studs up higher, but before I went and bought them I wanted to get opinions. I'm thinking about making a modified, dirt drop, single speed type cross bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    if memory serves, no. the directions on the ps kit tell you to cut the original stud above the flats and then the sleeve goes on

    just make new studs out of old canti bosses. drill through em and cut off the threads
    Thankyew for the info

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    Sizzler:
    Check this thread out. He seems to be pretty happy with his Bonty set up with 700C
    /J
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    okay, another quick question, my digital caliper is broken, could anyone tell me the proper front derailleur clamp diameter for a bontrager frame?

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    looking for 20-21" P team

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    Thanks!

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    So my Privateer Comp has turned SS.
    This one is gonna be my singletrack bike from now on
    And it feels real light too!
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    This might sound nuts, but I think I bought your red Racelite (edit, never mind, mine is a size medium. Weird thing is, it had a sticker on the seat tube in the same way and the scar on the top tube sticker in the same spot.)
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    Bontrager brake studs

    Can anyone tell me where to get and what to look for, since my frame didn't come with brake mounts. Thanks JK

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellyjk View Post
    Can anyone tell me where to get and what to look for, since my frame didn't come with brake mounts. Thanks JK
    Since your frame is a 96 or later (no tapered seat stays), why not use V brakes which are period correct for the frame? They will thread right in with no need for cantilever brake mounts.

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    brakes

    So I can bolt them on with a m8 or m10 bolt? do I use washers on either side of the v brakes?

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    You'll still need the sleeves. If you find some let me know, I need a pair too.

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    I've not tired using v-brakes without the spacer-sleeves, but I'd imagine that the arms would move around without them. The part that you need is the one on the right. They are hard to come by. Some industrious person could likely machine a set.
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    pm me guys. I can make some for you.


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    Nice work, Classen.

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    If you have a damaged frame or fork that is otherwise worthless, you can cut the bosses off and drill them out to make these sleeves if you are careful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Nice work, Classen.
    Thanks. The ones pictured above have already been sent off to someone, but they're pretty easy to make during my lunch break. And just so you don't feel that I'm abusing the forum and trying to make $ from this endeavor - I'm not making any money from this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classen View Post
    And just so you don't feel that I'm abusing the forum and trying to make $ from this endeavor - I'm not making any money from this.
    In that case, I'd like to order 100.


    Just kidding. They look great!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    In that case, I'd like to order 100.


    Just kidding. They look great!!
    If you post a picture of yourself standing next to 100 Bontragers, and they're all missing their brake bosses.... then I guess I'll be spending a long time in the machine shop

    Seriously, if you need a pair let me know. I'd like to provide these to as many desperate Bonty owners as I can.... within reason. I only ask for reimbursement of shipping costs. If I become totally inundated or can't reasonably keep up then I'll stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by classen View Post
    Thanks. The ones pictured above have already been sent off to someone, but they're pretty easy to make during my lunch break. And just so you don't feel that I'm abusing the forum and trying to make $ from this endeavor - I'm not making any money from this.
    Ha. No, I'm not that big a hardass. I think what you're doing is important. Please keep it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classen View Post
    pm me guys. I can make some for you.

    Cool! srsly cool..
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara View Post
    You'll still need the sleeves. If you find some let me know, I need a pair too.
    I stand corrected...yet again
    I guess I was thinking about my Privateer, it has traditional screw in brake studs. Already plead by case to Classen for a couple of sleeve sets for my race and racelite frames!

    Now if someone would just start machining the 6mm OD step down cable ferrules for YETI bikes once again, I would be a happy man!

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    Bontrager Privateer Comp.

    I decided to rescue my Bonty from the shed and giver her a wash. We'll see how she looks after the weekend.
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    I've got your pulley.

    I was digging through my parts bin today, and found the original pulley and anti-chain-suck-plate from my '93 Race, which I sold 15 years ago. I miss it, but it never fit me quite right. If you still need the pulley, let me know.

    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara View Post
    Okay, Brother followers of Brother Grumpy,

    Here's the situation. Trying to breathe life into an old Bontrager Race / OR. It has regular verticaI dropouts, but it still has the pulley for the front derailleur. I need the brake studs and the pulley. I'm going to just use conventional brake studs rather than the sleeve/ bolt arrangement, apparently they are M8 studs. I also found a nylon pulley which I think might work, out of a kit for sliding doors. I will have to drill out the tin housing around the pulley. So, that might work. What sort of bolt do I need to attach the pulley? I am going to try Fastenal or another fastener supply place, I guess. I already tried Menards and Home Depot. It seems like an M4? 4mm seems to start into the post holding the pulley on, but it doesn't seem to keep going. But maybe I'm doing it wrong.
    If anyone who has some of these, I'd buy them or trade some spoke bracelets for them, same with a chain deflector plate if anyone has it. Or can point me in the right direction. Thanks! If that pulley fits, I'll post a photo of the pulley.

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    My poor Bonty was the last bike to be picked up from the Museum SFO Exhibit yesterday. Home now though!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    My poor Bonty was the last bike to be picked up from the Museum SFO Exhibit yesterday. Home now though!
    Wow! They really did treat those things with kid gloves, didn't they. Almost excessive care taken if you're going to go out and race it like you threatened. Glad you posted some more pics of yours, though. I finally found an OR project for myself, an all visual resources are welcome
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    My poor Bonty was the last bike to be picked up from the Museum SFO Exhibit yesterday. Home now though!



    Poor?

    Pfft, uh-huh.

    Shining example Bontrager, right down to the cable routing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange View Post
    Poor?

    Pfft, uh-huh.

    Shining example Bontrager, right down to the cable routing.

    Thanks to your help and guidance! Holli too I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamkeith View Post
    Wow! They really did treat those things with kid gloves, didn't they. Almost excessive care taken if you're going to go out and race it like you threatened. Glad you posted some more pics of yours, though. I finally found an OR project for myself, an all visual resources are welcome
    They were amazing with the bikes. So careful and respectful.
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    Hi all, I just realized that I never posted a pic of my Racelite with the Groovy fork. It's built with Bontrager spec'ed rake, and handles great.

    (Since the pic was taken I've cut some of that steerer off. Measure twice, cut once you know! )

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    Nice! Looks much better with the knobbies!!!!!

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    It's about time you realized, good to see you're still riding.

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    Thanks! Long time no see. We should hook up. I'm in the middle of setting up that Race you traded to me as a drop bar single speed, and am going to be commuting some on it. (Pics coming soon.) I'll give you a ring soon.
    Don't call it a gooseneck.

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    Oh, thank god. I was about to give you hell for spacerville.

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    slapped this together this past weekend.

    Not exactly the way I want it built up, but I need a bike that actually works and that I can ride to work.






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    A few more.






    like I said... what a weird combo of parts early XT, M900, and later M950 XTR hubs, plus 3DV critical racing front cantis.

    It rides though

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    Looks good, love the stem!
    Don't call it a gooseneck.

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    Wow, classic. Nice!

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    I like everything but the xtr hubs.
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    What do you not like about M950s? Is it just what they did to the CNC market back in the day or something? I can't help it, I still love that entire series.

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    It's probably because they are newer than the bike and the other period correct components on the bike. I like M950 stuff too, but only when appropriate to the vintage of the bike.

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    It's probably because they are newer than the bike and the other period correct components on the bike. I like M950 stuff too, but only when appropriate to the vintage of the bike.
    This.
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    Tell KB thanks for the XTR cranks and BB I got from him off ebay, that was quite a treat to see the box as having come from him.

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    I'm curious to know what are the largest tires you've all run on the steel frames?

    I'm considering trying some Maxxis Hookworm 2.5's as an "urban assault" tire. I'll likely get one at first, as I know I have fork clearance.

    My hazy memory of running Ritchey Z-Max 2.35's on the rear was that they fit, but that there was not a lot of mud clearance. Sound about right?

    EDIT - Just in case anyone ever wonders, the 2.5" Hookworms fit just fine AND feel better than the Judy XC I built the bike up originally. Really sweet tire for "urban singletrack"
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    New old Bontrager

    I was looking for some Vintage steel in my size to replace the 92 Stumpy and this 21" Bonty popped up on CL. The previous owner said its a 95 or 96 Racelight, he was the 2nd owner and replaced the origininal decals. It's a mix of more modern components including XT and SRAM x-9 rear derailleur. My first priority is finding a Rigid fork, shortening the stem, and finding a Race lite front rim. Until then I will enjoy the ride.



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    Nice score. That one could really use some love.

    Bontrager OR wraps (sku 575)
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    Thanks Jack0zilla!
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    Found it!!!!

    Been trying to find the pulley that works with the front derailleur on the vintage Bontrager OR / Race frames.

    Finally found it at Lowes: Sliding Screen Door Roller Assembly, part number B-551. Fits like it was made to do nothing else in this world, and the bolt even fits the frame perfectly!!

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    LOL! Nice detective work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara View Post
    Found it!!!!

    Been trying to find the pulley that works with the front derailleur on the vintage Bontrager OR / Race frames.

    Finally found it at Lowes: Sliding Screen Door Roller Assembly, part number B-551. Fits like it was made to do nothing else in this world, and the bolt even fits the frame perfectly!!
    It makes you wonder if in the early '90s there were a bunch of home repair guys saying: "We finally found a source for anodized blue screen door rollers!! These are so sweet!"
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    Anodized aluminum? How about cheap plastic? I always wondered
    why the pulleys had the asymmetric lips, but it makes sense that
    it was designed for something completely different.

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    While I'm at it, here is mine. Sadly, still unridden at this point.

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    Everybody knows that it's all about the pretty colors...
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    Incidentally, my modern CX bike uses a pulley for the front derailler. So some manufacturers are still sourcing pulleys - and they may well be repurposed from sliding doors.
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    It's a nylon/ plastic- looking roller. I'll post a photo when I get a minute. I had heard that it was an off - the- shelf hardware part, had been looking at different stores under pulleys for window blinds previously, but sliding door roller makes more sense. The fact that the bolt works too makes me wonder if they welded the post onto the frame that comes with it- that sounds like Uncle Grumpy in action, waste not, want not.

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    Ooh, pretty!

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    I'd love to use this on a retro cruiser I'm building! Can anyone remove the pulley and take a pic of the mount? I wonder if this could be added as an afterthought..

    Thanks for your help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CYCLEJCE View Post
    I'd love to use this on a retro cruiser I'm building! Can anyone remove the pulley and take a pic of the mount? I wonder if this could be added as an afterthought..

    Thanks for your help!
    The pulley allows for a ft derailleur that was intended to have it's cable pulled from the bottom to be pulled from above. The mount part is a small, hollow post , the pulley slides over / around it and the bolt screws into the post. I hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamkeith View Post
    Crown identification update:

    A couple of weeks ago, I asked if anyone could tell whether or not my recently-acquired black Rock Shox crown was truly a reduced-offset Bontrager version. I never got a definitive answer, but have figured some things out that I thought I'd share:

    The specified 1/4" difference in offset, between the standard and Bontrager-specific crowns, is a lot, relatively speaking. So I always assumed (and had read) that it would be easy to see the difference between the two when placed side-by-side. Well, that's not necessarily the case....

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    There seem to have been a couple different versions of the forged, bold-on crowns made. (Perhaps they weren't even made by Rock Shox at first?) The following picture from Mr. Orange, which must be of an older one, really had me worried. Note the large flat spot at the base of the steerer tube. The typical, silver Rock Shox versions don't have this. The "black" crowns I've been able to get ahold of looked just like the silver crowns, with no flat spot and definitley don't have a 1/4" different positon for the stancion holes, relative to the steerer tube.

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    I don't know how to measure this accurately or scientifically, but the following photos show what I figured out: The offset difference between the two crowns is accomplished entirely by varying the angle at which the steerer tube inserts into the crown:
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    I always assumed that the components of a suspension fork were all parallel to each other and acted on axes that were parallel to the head tube, and that the offset was created by the shape of the crown and dropouts - but I guess that's not the case. The Bontrager crown is actually closer to doing this than the standard crown, though. However, since the axes of the steerer tube and stanction tubes diverge, this means that the longer the fork, the more pronounced the offset reduction will be, compared to a standard crown!

    So the real reason for bringing this up, if I understand the relationship between offset, trail and steering properly, and the implication for those of us who are building "frankenforks" to keep our Bontys alive is this: Unless you plan to stick with 63mm or less travel, the black Bontrager crown might not be the best choice for retaining the bike's factory handling. The offset & steering stabilizing/slowing effect would theoretically be increased beyond 1/4" (relative to a standard crown) with a longer fork (ie: 80mm travel). So for those cases, the typical silver crown might be better.

    I know I'm WAY over-thinking this (and am not a skilled enough rider to notice the difference, probably), but I found it funny that I've spent so much time looking for the black crowns when I might not even prefer them in the end....
    Yeah, right?! It's bad enough trying to find a 1" steerer tube fork, now it has to be black?!?

    I mean, mine's black. ...you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara View Post
    The pulley allows for a ft derailleur that was intended to have it's cable pulled from the bottom to be pulled from above. The mount part is a small, hollow post , the pulley slides over / around it and the bolt screws into the post. I hope this helps.
    I have one on my Rock Lobster, I'm sure it's similar. And I DO have a bottom pull FD and a frame intended for top pull. I may have to look further into this option!

    Thanks,

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    Hey all -

    I thought I'd join this thread as a long time Bontrager fan/rider. I've got 2 Bontragers that I bought new and are both original. The first is a '96 Privateer S in black. I did have the shop upgrade this one to V-Brakes, which were relatively new at the time, before I picked it up at the shop. The second is a '97 Race Lite in red. I bought this one from Supergo at a closeout price - can't remember when for sure but assume it was in '98. Of course is was the one I wanted in '96 but was beyond the budget.

    I just completed a rebuild of the Privateer a couple of months ago and it came out great. I haven't ridden it yet though as it's too pretty to ride. I'm kidding of course as I just want to take some photos first. And tonight I took the Race Lite apart down to the frame. One thing lead to another but the end of the story is that I tore into the frame and it's pretty much done. It cleaned up great with only a couple of very minor flaws mostly in the decals. It's going to be a like new and a real beauty when I'm done. The right crankarm has a crack and it was getting pretty bad the last time I rode it in February. So that is the main part I need to replace. The rest of the components look like they are going to clean up fine. I think I'm going to enjoy this rebuild much more than some of the old Schwinns I've been doing recently. And I expect to be hitting some of you up with some questions too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSpoke View Post
    I did have the shop upgrade this one to V-Brakes
    Is that an oxymoron ?


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    In retrospect certainly though at the time it didn't seem so. I believe stock were cantilevers. And the price went from around $800 to about $1k as I recall though my memory is not so good.

    I've since disassembled the (Rock Shox Judy) fork on the Race Lite including the cartridge. I hope I'm not in over my head on this one.

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    A few quick (admittedly poor) photos of the Privateer S - including the "upgraded" brakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSpoke View Post
    A few quick (admittedly poor) photos of the Privateer S - including the "upgraded" brakes.
    Wow, that is extremely well- preserved! You can't go wrong with basic black.
    I've got a rigid one like that in my garage that I'm working on that isn't anywhere near as nice as that, for a friend of mine.
    Does the fork still work, or are those elastomers stiff? I think I have a Q21 somewhere I was going to put coil springs in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara View Post
    Wow, that is extremely well- preserved! You can't go wrong with basic black.
    I've got a rigid one like that in my garage that I'm working on that isn't anywhere near as nice as that, for a friend of mine.
    Does the fork still work, or are those elastomers stiff? I think I have a Q21 somewhere I was going to put coil springs in.
    Thank you for the comments. They got me to thinking about the history of this bike. I bought it new, probably in the Summer of '96 from a local bike shop now since absorbed by Performance. It was right after by divorce was finalized and was my first good mountain bike after many years on road bikes as well as an '82 Stumpjumper. The Stumpjumper was more of a beach cruiser, which is what I used it for, but it was in great shape too - when it was stolen. Wish I still had that one as it was, I think, the second year of production. Anyway, it was about in 98 that I found the Race Lite on closeout at Supergo and that become my goto mountain bike. In about 98 or 99 I was living with a friend who was fixing up his house to sell. He was using a sprayer to paint it. My bike was in the garage with the door closed but apparently close enough to a gap in the door whereby a lot of paint particles got on the bike. They weren't that noticeable from a few feet away but were all over the front of the bike - the frame, cables, shifters, stem, bars, etc. And then about 2002 I bought a Santa Cruz Superlight and that bike became, and still is, my main mountain ride (started upgrading my road bikes as well as being diverted by some Schwinn restorations). So in 2006 I got into another serious relationship and had a my workbench setup at her house. So I took the Privateer apart and was going to restore it. I got the frame, fork and wheels done then the relationship ended. There were other things going an as well so it sat in pieces for more than a few years. So finally I decided to make it whole a few months ago. Fortunately I was able to find the pieces and it came together beautifully.

    I haven't ridden the bike as yet as I want to take some good pictures of it before I go get it dirty. It's pretty much all original except for the tires. And the tires are some NOS Bontrager Revolt Super-X that I purchased new and aren't too far removed from the vintage of the bike. I did rebuild the fork though, as per above, it was probably 5 or 6 years ago. I remember as how simple it actually was and how pretty much useless it would be as a fork. Just a few days ago I disassembled the Rock Shox Judy XC on the Race Lite and though it's a little more complex it's still pretty basic. It has about a 3" spring and a 4" elastomer on each side and a single hydraulic damping cartridge. As I was surfing eBay for parts for the Judy I've come across some of the coil spring kits you mention - for both the 21R and the Judy. I think I'm going finish the Judy in stock form for now. And as far as the Privateer I'm going to ride it first and then for both decide whether or not to put a spring kit in them.

    The Race Lite has much more use on it that the Privateer but looks to be in great shape. I had setup the Santa Cruz for my girlfriend, so it was my main bike at that time. And when I started riding again earlier this year it was on it. That is until I noticed the crank arm was cracked. So I need to find an M739 crank to complete this rebuild. Right now the fork is in pieces including the cartridge system. And now I'm not sure if I've got the tools or ability to put it back together. But once the fork is done it should go fairly smoothly - hopefully I can get it finished in a few weeks. That is rather than a few years like the Privateer S.

    I'm assuming the Privateer S is a Trek model. And I'm sure the Race Lite is also Trek but does have the Handmade in Santa Cruz, California decal on it. And, of course, the one piece seat stays. I'll try to get some better photos of the Privateer S up soon - I want to go ride that thing. And, of course, will put photos up of the Race Lite when done. And maybe some teaser of the frame if there is any interest.

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    Ok - some Race Lite teaser photos:
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    You are correct; Race and Race Lites were built in Santa Cruz, and the Privateer/ Privateer Comps were built by Trek in Wisconsin.

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    Nice! That looks exactly like a Race Lite that I bought brand new in '98. I loved that bike.
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    "Each bicycle owned exponentially increases the probability that none is working correctly."

    Man, is that so true. I'm up to 12 right now, 9 for me and 3 for my daughters, including a vintage Schwinn still in the box, never built. The 9 include 3 road bikes (76 Alan, 02 Serrota Concours, 07 Ducati Factory 900 XR), 3 mountain bikes (the 2 Bontragers and a 02 Santa Cruz Superlight), 2 Schwinns (76 Sierra 10-sp & 79 Collegiate 3-sp) and 1 Cx (a 2010 Scott Team). And I'm very much trying to get them all fully functional. It's a battle. In fact, just trying to get them all with pedals is an effort.

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    So, seriously doods, what kind of off - the- shelf brake posts can I get to fit an old Bontrager race?

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    You could order these: Canti Studs M6 in stainless steel e.g. for Magura forks - BrakeSTUFF Company

    It's from Germany though, can't seem to find the same thing in the US. And I think you'd need to shorten the threaded portion...

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    So, seriously doods, what kind of off - the- shelf brake posts can I get to fit an old Bontrager race?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara View Post
    So, seriously doods, what kind of off - the- shelf brake posts can I get to fit an old Bontrager race?
    . Make them

    Clamp a standard boss in an axle vise and hacksaw off the threads, then drill out the center

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    I find hardware sexy. I hope that's not weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    I find hardware sexy. I hope that's not weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyOne View Post
    You could order these: Canti Studs M6 in stainless steel e.g. for Magura forks - BrakeSTUFF Company

    It's from Germany though, can't seem to find the same thing in the US. And I think you'd need to shorten the threaded portion...

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    Weren't there M6 brake posts used by RockShox for a while?
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    Exactly, H.

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    Yes, that's where mine came from. Don't remember when or which model forks though.

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    ... and if we just ... Just got a Bontrager Race

    Hi Everyone,

    I just picked up a Bontrager Race, about a week ago. I knew nothing about this bike when I bought it. I've started learning more about just from the research I've done online. The bike I got is in nearly new condition and appears to have barely been used. I bought this bike with the intention on using it on single track and some road riding. The more I read about this bike I'm wondering if I should be riding it like I am. My concern is twofold. One; how easy is this bike to get parts for. I know it has the 1 inch head tube so what am I looking at for a new fork when the need arises. Its currently got what I believe to be a Rock Shox Judy on it that is still working great.

    My second concern is; Is this such a highly collectible bike that I shouldn't be riding it hard? From what I can tell this is a pre-Trek Bontrager as it has the two piece seat stay.

    Thanks for sticking with me on my long winded first post. The LBS I bought it from knows next to nothing about this bike, and the same goes for the other shop in town.

    I have attached some pictures of my bike. Thanks for your help!

    Edit; not sure why they are upside down the originals are fine.



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    It's a great bike but not a lost treasure. Ride it like heck! The parts on there are not that hard to replace and a lot cheaper to get than modern stuff.

    Have fun!

    p.s. what's going on with your stem?

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    There isn't anything you can't get for the bike. 1" forks are not easy to find, but not impossible.

    Rare? The Race Light is more desirable for "collectors". 2 piece stay says it's a pre-trek buyout bike, a "real" Bonty to some.

    Ride it HARD as you planned, that's what it was made for!

    it does look very nice, except for those pedals!

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    Yup, romp on it. The reason they are sought after is that they are durable and ride great! You may be able to find someone to rebuild the fork when the time comes. In the meantime, it wouldn't hurt to cache away a spare with a 1" steerer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    It's a great bike but not a lost treasure. Ride it like heck! The parts on there are not that hard to replace and a lot cheaper to get than modern stuff.

    Have fun!

    p.s. what's going on with your stem?
    The stem is a standard threadless on a quill stem adaptor. Or were you just kidding?

    ...darn nice looking bike once I downloaded the images, then rotated them :-).

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    The bike looks great. Like the others have already said, the best thing you can do is ride the bike and enjoy one of the best handling bikes made. Thats only my opinion, but I think most people who are subscribed to this thread would agree. I am without a Bontrager right now and am having some serious withdrawal pain!

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    Great! Thank you everyone that is what I was wanting to hear. I am going to continue riding it. I love the way it handles, although I dont have much to compare it to as this is my first time riding trails on any bike. None the less I love it.

    Yes, it needs new pedals bad, I have a feeling it didn't have any and the guy who traded it in just threw those on quick.

    For those wondering I paid $300 for this bike and feel like that was a pretty good deal. Serial number on this bike is 5483.

    Last thing can anyone help me out with what the numbered dials are for on the rock shox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rryyyaannn View Post
    this is my first time riding trails on any bike. None the less I love it.
    Good for you, ryyyyaaaannnnnnn. Welcome to the world of mountain biking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rryyyaannn View Post

    For those wondering I paid $300 for this bike and feel like that was a pretty good deal. Serial number on this bike is 5483.

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    Probably you got a discount because the bike is upside down, lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rryyyaannn View Post
    Hi Everyone,

    I just picked up a Bontrager Race, about a week ago. I knew nothing about this bike when I bought it. I've started learning more about just from the research I've done online. The bike I got is in nearly new condition and appears to have barely been used. I bought this bike with the intention on using it on single track and some road riding. The more I read about this bike I'm wondering if I should be riding it like I am. My concern is twofold. One; how easy is this bike to get parts for. I know it has the 1 inch head tube so what am I looking at for a new fork when the need arises. Its currently got what I believe to be a Rock Shox Judy on it that is still working great.

    My second concern is; Is this such a highly collectible bike that I shouldn't be riding it hard?
    The Fork on there appears to be a later Mag21, not a Judy.

    On your second concern, NOT riding the bike is a bit like having a hot virgin girlfriend but trying to keep her preserved for her next boyfriend....

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    Hollister and Mr. Orange told me about this video today. I hope you guys enjoy this as much as I did.

    <iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/QYvPMmlBZwg?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Hollister and Mr. Orange told me about this video today. I hope you guys enjoy this as much as I did.
    Cool that this got mentioned. If I'm listening right, that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange View Post
    Cool that this got mentioned. If I'm listening right, that is.

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    It was good to hear more mentions of Tadd

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara View Post
    Probably you got a discount because the bike is upside down, lol!
    Ha, I just got lucky I didn't know what I was buying just really liked how it rode, and the shop wasn't real familiar with the bike. I didn't realize it was a deal until I started reading about these bikes online!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayJay View Post
    The Fork on there appears to be a later Mag21, not a Judy.

    On your second concern, NOT riding the bike is a bit like having a hot virgin girlfriend but trying to keep her preserved for her next boyfriend....
    Lol I will for sure be riding this bike without regret. Thanks for the info on the shock that will help me look up some info about it.

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    Thanks for posting a link to that video!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    Thanks for posting a link to that video!!
    And one more thing...

    It's was interesting to hear Paul W. talk about the Bontrager bikes being "fun to ride." I've always felt that way about Bontrager frames. I have bikes that are faster - I can get around a race course in a shorter amount of time. However, those bikes are less fun to ride (at least to me). Unless I'm competing in a race, I'd much rather ride a bike that's more fun. I guess that's why I'm still putting miles on a Bontrager frame more than 15 years after buying my first one.
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    girlonbike - thank you for the video link too - Kind of a slow start but watched the whole thing. I'm keeping my 2 Bontragers - and maybe looking for another.

    rrryyyannn - I think that's a great price. And I agree with others, just ride it! I've got a red one similar to yours only a couple of years newer. It's in pieces now but can't wait to get it going. I did see a Race Lite on ebay that has a smilar colored fork to yours that appears to be a Judy XC - I'm sure a very early one. Mine is a '97 and appears to be a revised design. I was able to find some documents on operation and repair online - some from the SRAM site. So I just rebuilt it - it's pretty simple. I ended up with a little air in the hydraulic cartridge but it's still better than it was. And if I need to redo it I'm sure it will be easier the second time around. I reused the original seals and bushings but used fresh lube and hydraulic fluid. I think it's going to be ok. In addition, there are coil spring update kits still available on ebay.

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    Pah!

    Tadd still doing powder coating?

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    Ok - As promised, I finally got the PrivateerS out for some (supposedly) "good" photos. I hope there aren't too many and, if so, slap my hands. It wasn't until I got out to take the pictures I realized the rear tire was on backwards - another (in a long succession of) "senior" moments. I wanted to take the pictures as, after reading all these posts, I want to get out and RIDE it again. Some friends I've meet on meetup.com are planning to head up to the Big Lanuna Trail, East of San Diego, on Sunday morning and I thought I'd take the Bontrager rather than my regular ride - a Santa Cruz Superlight. For some reason I couldn't get to MountainBikeBill's site which has some photos, a description of the trail as well as a map but did find these (among many others on youtube - search "Big Laguna Trail"):
    Big Laguna Trail Mountain Biking - YouTube
    Big Laguna Trail: Red Roost to Los Gatos Ravine - YouTube

    I hope his site comes back up as I need his map for Sunday Happy Summer to all as well and don't forget the Supermoon on Sunday. And now I got to get back to getting that Race Lite back together.

    Noble Canyon drops down the valley from the Big Laguna Trail but I've never done it - and may not:
    Noble Canyon Mountain Bike Trip.wmv - YouTube

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    Great pictures. Maybe someday you can run cantilevers again. Do you like those tires? The front one look rather boxy and stiff.

    Is that a 1" steerer? I like the stem with your bike. The colors are nice too. Good job!

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    Hi girl -

    Thanks for the compliments. The bike is almost exactly as I picked it up in '96. I had the shop upgrade to the V-brakes, which were relatively new as far as Shimano was concerned, at the time - M739s. I don't have the original brakes so doubt, and have no desire to, ever change them back. The only other non-original parts are the tires. I bought them so long ago that I don't remember but I'm assuming prior to 2000. They are Bontrager Revolt Super X 47/46 w/Kevlar bead - I like them as the grey sidewall kind of matches the decals on the frame. I think they are (were) a racing weight and tread. I've not ridden them yet as they were just installed during the rebuild. I'll let you know after Sunday.

    The stearer/headset is the original 1" threaded as is the stem. I don't expect to put a lot more miles on this bike as my early 2000s vintage Santa Cruz Superlight is my main bike. I'm also currently rebuilding my '97 Race Lite. I liked riding that one more as it has a slightly better fork as well as the other components - and, of course, the frame. But all will see mileage. One of my main rides is at Lake Hodges here in Escondido which is mostly flat, a fair amout of singletrack, with only a couple of climbs and not many (almost no) technical sections - so the Bontrager works well there. That is, no steep, technical downhill sections where I prefer the fork and rear suspension of the Santa Cruz.

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    Bontrager Race Lite Monstercross

    I've had a '91 or '92 Bontrager Race Lite since I ordered it built for me new at the Santa Cruz factory. You could order it at the time with or without suspension geometry, and I opted for the frame built for the Mag 21 with custom Bontrager crown. I rode the piss out of it until 2009, when I finally gave into peer pressure and got a full-suspension bike. The Bontrager has been through many different incarnations, with the pinnacle of its existence as a 26er shown below. The photo was taken when I was getting my broken full-suspension frame replaced, so I was forced to revitalize the hardtail if I wanted to keep riding for the month it took to replace the FS frame. So I decked the Bontrager out as far as the geometry and 1" steerer would allow, with a beastly Marzocchi fork, whose main improvement over the Mag 21 was that it had disc brake mounts. The wide riser bar was quite a departure from the long and low stem and narrower-the-better flat bar the frame was designed for. I had gotten hooked on having a dropper post on my FS bike, so I also added a Gravity Dropper, the only 26.8 dropper post made.

    This pic was taken during a muddy ride out at China Camp in NorCal, before I got my FS bike built back up:
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    After I got my full-suspension bike built back up again, I found that I never rode the Bontrager on anything serious... Its 2 inches of travel couldn't keep up with the 5.5 inches I had gotten used to on my FS rig. I had wanted a big-tired, disc-brake cyclocross, AKA Monstercross, bike for a long time, so after a ton of research on these forums, and elsewhere on the inter webs, trial and error, parts from eBay and adjustments, this is the final incarnation of my Bontrager Race Lite:

    Bontrager Monstercross - up to 29 x 2.3 up front and 29x1.75 (45c) in the back:
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    I picked up the NOS WTB Dirt Drop bar a few years back, after I heard they stopped making them. The carbon fork is Exotic brand, one of the few still available with a 1" steerer, and the length matches my Mag 21, so handling is as Keith Bontrager intended it, but without the suspension arch it fits 29er wheels quite easily. Since those frames don't have chainstay braces, the rear triangle can accomodate 29er wheels as well, but the size is limited to around 1.75" (45c), which is plenty for a cross bike. The Xtracycle brake adapter helped relocate the brake posts for the larger wheel diameter on the rear, and I opted to upgrade the braking power from cantilever to a Sweet Paul's Motolite V-Brake. I used an Avid BB7 MTB disc brake on the front, and Cane Creek V levers that have the correct cable pull for both. I have been taking the bike on commutes and fire road rides and love it! It fills a slot in my quiver now that my full-suspension bike can't compete with. As a rigid bike, it doesn't do the rough stuff so well, but if I want to ride far and fast, this bike will take me there, on-road or off.

    I highly recommend this conversion to anyone with an old Bontrager gathering dust in their garage. Let me know if you have any questions about the build or want to see more photos.

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    You sure that wasn't a few years after '92?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    You sure that wasn't a few years after '92?
    Good eye. This is not an original museum piece, by a long shot. That frame and I have been through a lot. It is definitely a late '91 or early '92 (still have receipt somewhere), as evidenced by the horizontal dropouts. It originally had the pulley and bonded aluminum cable guides, but somewhere around its second or third powder coat, the guys at the Bontrager factory took off the bonded guides for paint prep and replaced them with welded guides (much to my disappointment). When I cracked the seat tube and had it replaced under warranty, I asked them to leave the pulley off and opted for a top-pull derailleur instead. Original stickers were square/straight (not diagonal), and it has also been powder coated two other colors. It's far from pristine. It's dented, scratched, needs new decals, and has survived over 20 years of loving abuse, but it still has that "real steel" ride and I'm glad I used it for my CX build, because it's a bike that deserves to be ridden, perhaps subjected to less abuse than in its mountain bike days, but ridden hard until the next tube breaks and I have to find someone to weld in yet another replacement tube and put on another powder coat.

    Here's a blurry old photo of me riding the Tamarancho trail around '97 with the original fork and no decals on the frame. If you look closely, you'll see the purple anodized King headset, which went with the previous "deep metallic purple" paint job.
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    And here's another one of me on the Bontrager on Wagon Wheel at Tamarancho in the late 90's, Mt. Tam in the background.
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    These are the only two digitized photos I have of my Bontrager from that era. If I have any more photos, they must be in a shoebox somewhere...

    Bontragers are meant to be ridden, not curated.

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    It sure would be great if someone took the original specs and started making Bontrager frames again, but with tapered head tubes this time around for universal fork compatibility. I am still sad that Trek bought the brand and stopped frame production. Steel frames aren't the lightest, but nothing compares to the ride of a high-end steel frame. Soulcraft and others make some pretty sweet steel frames, but the Race Lites are still about a half pound to a pound lighter due to thinner tube walls and extensive use of gussets. The Bontrager Race Lite still to this day represents the pinnacle of steel bike frame construction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goto11 View Post
    It sure would be great if someone took the original specs and started making Bontrager frames again, but with tapered head tubes this time around for universal fork compatibility. I am still sad that Trek bought the brand and stopped frame production. Steel frames aren't the lightest, but nothing compares to the ride of a high-end steel frame. Soulcraft and others make some pretty sweet steel frames, but the Race Lites are still about a half pound to a pound lighter due to thinner tube walls and extensive use of gussets. The Bontrager Race Lite still to this day represents the pinnacle of steel bike frame construction.
    I really like your drop bar build man, thats a neat set-up and I bet its fun to ride. I think Paul Sadoff's Rock Lobster frames would be the closest thing out there to providing a contemporary Bontrager type frame. I had a 99 Privateer that had the 1.125" headset and that really opened the fork choices up in a major way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goto11 View Post
    It sure would be great if someone took the original specs and started making Bontrager frames again, but with tapered head tubes this time around for universal fork compatibility. I am still sad that Trek bought the brand and stopped frame production. Steel frames aren't the lightest, but nothing compares to the ride of a high-end steel frame. Soulcraft and others make some pretty sweet steel frames, but the Race Lites are still about a half pound to a pound lighter due to thinner tube walls and extensive use of gussets. The Bontrager Race Lite still to this day represents the pinnacle of steel bike frame construction.
    There are plenty of custom builders that could build a frame with the same geo as a Bontrager. The tubing and gussets would likely be different, but the handling could be made very similar and you could have whatever modern changes that you'd like.
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    I like it too. I was (mtn bike) riding a couple weeks ago with 2 guys on single speeds, one with a rigid fork. They were very fast and said I should build my Race Lite in that fashion. Well I wouldn't do it with my current Race Lite as it is going through a complete rebuild to my as purchased spec though maybe some other in the future. And I like that idea of a Privateer w/1 1/8 headtube.

    I also thought a Bontrager frame with 650B wheels/fork would be a good city/dirt road bike too. And judging by what you've done it's certainly possible. And that would be either with road or mtn bars.

    As far as Trek is concerned, even in the KB video on the previous page, he was saying the market for steel frames was about to die when he sold the company to Trek and the bikes/frames became almost unmarketable. I'm sure that is why they dropped the frames and only continued with components. It's certainly no better today though it seems there are many more custom steel framebuilders than back then. Kelly Bedford and Dave Kirk come to mind though they do specialize more in road frames. That is, if you want a modified Race Lite replica it seems the only route would be custom. I surely don't think there is a market for mass or even limited production steel mountain bike frames today.

    I like to think of it as an era that has come and gone - though a great one. Thankfully there are still frames available. Another option could be to create a 1" stearer crown that would accept modern, larger diameter fork tubes and internals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N10S View Post
    I really like your drop bar build man, thats a neat set-up and I bet its fun to ride. I think Paul Sadoff's Rock Lobster frames would be the closest thing out there to providing a contemporary Bontrager type frame. I had a 99 Privateer that had the 1.125" headset and that really opened the fork choices up in a major way.
    Thanks. It is a lot of fun to ride, and I'm really glad I used this frame instead of buying a new cyclocross bike. If it had a 1.125" head tube like your Privateer, then I'd probably still be riding it as an MTB with a modern suspension fork on it.

    This build is a mountain biker's idea of what a dirt-capable road bike should be, compared to most CX bikes that seem just like road bikes with skinny knobbies, designed for the spandex crowd. Here's another pic, after I got back from my first off-road night ride on it:
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    I contacted Sadoff awhile back on behalf of my buddy who was inspired to convert his old 26er Rock Lobster into a monstercross bike also, and he thinks it will work (depending on the chainstay bridge - some Rock Lobsters have them and some don't). Who knows, maybe one day I'll have Paul or Sean (Soulcraft) build me a monstercross frame, but I have a feeling that this Bontrager build will roll with me to the grave. There are no toe overlap issues with the front wheel and handling is spot on. A rear disc brake would be nice, but the Paul Motolite V brake works great. The bottom bracket is a bit higher as a result of the big wheels, but the extra clearance is a bonus for me, since I have 180mm cranks and I'm used to being up higher on my full-suspension bike. Can't wait to put some more miles on it, as I only finished building it six days ago .

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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    There are plenty of custom builders that could build a frame with the same geo as a Bontrager. The tubing and gussets would likely be different, but the handling could be made very similar and you could have whatever modern changes that you'd like.
    True, but the thinner tubing with gussets to stiffen it up where needed are what make a Race Lite ride so well. It's not just the geometry. Much like how the layup of a carbon frame can dramatically affect its ride quality, the thickness of the tubing and design of gusseted tube junctions is critical. There's a reason why there's a 38-page long forum devoted to old Bontragers here... They are uniquely awesome and no one builds frames like the old Santa Cruz-made Bontragers anymore.

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    Thanks, but no thanks.

    This blog entry from Paul Sadoff has been mentioned before in other threads, but it seems like this might be a good time and place to post it again. In case someone was thinking about having a replica Bontrager made. Kind of an enjoyable read, actually:

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    Bontrager Bike Mag / Mission Workshop Video

    This video was pretty good... slow in spots, but I learned a bunch that I didn't know before.

    Ask a Founder: Keith Bontrager Tells His Story

    EDIT: Sorry - did not see that the vid was posted already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti View Post
    This video was pretty good... slow in spots, but I learned a bunch that I didn't know before.

    Ask a Founder: Keith Bontrager Tells His Story

    EDIT: Sorry - did not see that the vid was posted already.

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    Not a problem, KP! Thanks for dropping in!

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    Nice drive by!
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    Thanks for posting, good to hear KB directly! I didn't see the earlier post either, sometimes the threads are tough to follow...
    Been riding my Race w/700c wheels a LOT lately, love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDXdog View Post
    Thanks for posting, good to hear KB directly! I didn't see the earlier post either, sometimes the threads are tough to follow...
    Been riding my Race w/700c wheels a LOT lately, love it.
    Is your Race a converted 26" frame, or is it one of the few we made as 'purpose built' 700c frames?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti View Post
    Is your Race a converted 26" frame, or is it one of the few we made as 'purpose built' 700c frames?

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    Not a purpose built frame (I'd love to see one of those!), just an east coast winter project, much like others posted on this site:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/vintage-retro...ke-848139.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDXdog View Post
    Not a purpose built frame (I'd love to see one of those!), just an east coast winter project, much like others posted on this site:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/vintage-retro...ke-848139.html
    We only built a handful of them, mostly for shop guys and SC locals... Super rare.

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    And the hunt begins all over again..
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    Anybody have a picture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    And the hunt begins all over again..
    LOL I knew that was coming.
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    I was thinking the same thing.

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    And the hunt begins all over again..
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    Bontrager CX Race

    My brother has the cross frame. He bought it used after some bastard stole his 26" Race Lite. As I recall, it looks pretty much like any other Bontrager Race frame, but with brake posts located for 700C wheels. This is the only image I have, but I can snap more detailed images the next time I see it. I am not a fan of the flat bars, but it's not my bike.
    Official Bontrager Thread-bontrager_cross1.jpg

    So, if the CX frames are rare one-offs, then why did Bontrager make CX-specific decals, or were the decals I see on old websites made by a third party?

    That said, does anyone know if I can still get decals for my Race Lite (CX or MTB decals, straight or diagonal edges)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goto11 View Post
    My brother has the cross frame. He bought it used after some bastard stole his 26" Race Lite. As I recall, it looks pretty much like any other Bontrager Race frame, but with brake posts located for 700C wheels.

    So, if the CX frames are rare one-offs, then why did Bontrager make CX-specific decals, or were the decals I see on old websites made by a third party?
    I have one of the Bontrager CX bikes as well, and the red CX decals are original to the frames. These have similar tubing to the mountain bikes, but do not have good tire clearance. The rear triangle will only accept a tire up to about 35mm - I've tried a 38mm tire and it will not work.

    I think KP meant that there were 700c wheeled frames that accepted wider mountain-ish tires, correct? I assume that they were for the 700c Smoke tire, as that was about the only widish 700c knobby available at the time. More info would be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    I have one of the Bontrager CX bikes as well, and the red CX decals are original to the frames. These have similar tubing to the mountain bikes, but do not have good tire clearance. The rear triangle will only accept a tire up to about 35mm - I've tried a 38mm tire and it will not work.

    I think KP meant that there were 700c wheeled frames that accepted wider mountain-ish tires, correct? I assume that they were for the 700c Smoke tire, as that was about the only widish 700c knobby available at the time. More info would be nice.
    So, you think the Bontrager "monstercross" bikes based on 26" frames with 700c brake post positions are the rare bikes that Kirk Pacenti refers to? My converted 26" to 700c build fits 45c tires and perhaps up to 48c (haven't tried, but there's still some clearance left w/ 45c tires). If that's the case, then I'll take it over my brother's CX.

    Kirk - can you confirm?

    Anyone have the scoop on decals listed on this forum in years past?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goto11 View Post
    So, if the CX frames are rare one-offs, then why did Bontrager make CX-specific decals, or were the decals I see on old websites made by a third party?
    He's not talking about the CX frames. Be careful what you assume here....

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    26er to 29er Monstercross Recipe (Or, How to Breathe New Life into an Old Frame)

    Ingredients
    • Bontrager Race or Race Lite 26" frame, or possibly Rock Lobster or other 26" frame with sufficient tire clearance, 1" head tube (if you have a late model with a 1.125" head tube, congratulations, you have a ton of fork options, move along).
    • eXotic Rigid Carbon Fork 1" Steerer Disc Only (42.5 replaces my original Mag 21).
    • MTB mechanical disc brake (e.g. Avid BB7 MTB).
    • Rear V-brake to match cable pull of disc brake (e.g. Paul Motolite).
    • Xtracycle 26" to 700c brake post adapter.
    • V-Brake/Linear-pull drop bar levers (e.g. Cane Creek Drop V Levers for Linear/Long Pull Brake)
    • Bar-end shifters (e.g. Shimano Ultegra 8-speed bar end shift levers)
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    • Drop bar of your choice (e.g. Salsa Woodchipper).
    • High-rise stem (unless you prefer to hunch down).
    • 29" or 700c 6-bolt disc brake front wheel.
    • 29" or 700c rim brake rear wheel.
    • 29" and/or 700c front & rear tires (front fits whatever, rear can easily fit 45c/1.75", perhaps a bit larger).

    What drove the ingredients list above was an existing 8-speed drivetrain with Avid BB7 MTB brake. Avid now makes a BB7 SL brake that works with road levers, so you could use Shimano or SRAM brake/shifter combos, but you might have to get a cyclocross rear cantilever brake. Not sure. I went with bar-end shifters because they are a lot more affordable and the 8-speed ones still have friction mode. Friction Mode! Just in case.

    I hated those old reverse-pull (Rapid Rise) derailleurs for MTB use, but they work great with bar-end shifters, since both shifters go up to go fast, down to go slow. My brother gave me an old XTR M951 Rapid Rise rear derailleur, which works great. Any old 7-8-9 rear derailleur will shift great with 8-speed shifters and cassette.

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    A couple of nice options are:
    • Inline cable adjusters (e.g. Jagwire J2) - Unlike MTB shifters, bar-end shifters lack adjustment barrels, which makes it difficult to adjust your indexed shifting, unless you use an older rear derailleur with a barrel adjuster. The rear derailleur I used had no barrel adjuster, so this was very handy for getting the indexed shifting dialed in.
    • Bar-top levers with barrel adjusters (e.g. Paul Cross Lever, with pivot pin in outer hole for long pull) - Ditto: road levers lack barrel adjusters. Cross top levers not only give you another braking position, but give you a way to adjust your brake tension.


    Thanks to others on this forum for the inspiration and ideas. Thanks to friends for spare wheels, derailleurs and other parts. My build is about 10 days old and I'm loving it. It definitely breathed new life into my 20+ year-old frame. Ride on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by goto11 View Post
    As I recall, it looks pretty much like any other Bontrager Race frame, but with brake posts located for 700C wheels.
    On second thought, the CX definitely has skinnier stays than the Race Lite and less tire clearance. Still a sweet bike, although it needs drops, or it risks being called a hybrid. Ouch!

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    What did the BB height end up being after you put on the 700c wheels? (with 45mm tires)

    Did it rise very much?
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    Just came accross this photo in my surfing:

    Official Bontrager Thread-just_say_no.jpg

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    Idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    What did the BB height end up being after you put on the 700c wheels? (with 45mm tires)

    Did it rise very much?
    The BB height rose two-fold, due to both a longer fork and larger diameter wheels. But to me, it just felt right.

    ... So I just got around to measuring the BB height and it's a whopping 13 inches (330 mm). Then I measured the BB height of my Ibis Mojo SL and it's 13.5" without sag, so that explains why the Bontrager feels right to me: it has nearly the same stance as my main ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    I think KP meant that there were 700c wheeled frames that accepted wider mountain-ish tires, correct? I assume that they were for the 700c Smoke tire, as that was about the only widish 700c knobby available at the time. More info would be nice.
    ^^^ This.

    When I said a handful, I mean 5 (maybe seven) of these purpose built, 700c frames were made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti View Post
    ^^^ This.

    When I said a handful, I mean 5 (maybe seven) of these purpose built, 700c frames were made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti View Post
    ^^^ This.

    When I said a handful, I mean 5 (maybe seven) of these purpose built, 700c frames were made.

    Cheers,
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    1993 Race / Race Lite Specs

    My frame may be a year newer than I thought. I can't find the original receipt, but have a repair receipt from 7/93 after a car hit me on the bike and I had to replace a buckled seat stay. I also have an owner's manual [C]1993, which I believe came back with the repaired frame, so the frame may be a '92 or '93; I'm not really sure.

    Anyway, I'm including the specifications here for those who might be interested in the frame geometry. It specifies an 11.75" BB height, which I raised by 1.25" to 13" with a longer fork (42cm) and bigger wheels (700Cx45).
    Official Bontrager Thread-1993-race-lite-specifications1.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    I believe Hollister may be reaaally interested now.
    Among others. Are these the ones with the boss mounts for both 700c and 26". Ones' been posted here (and yes, it had a brazed segmented fork) and a biology professor at UCSC has one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue View Post
    Among others. Are these the ones with the boss mounts for both 700c and 26". Ones' been posted here (and yes, it had a brazed segmented fork) and a biology professor at UCSC has one.
    I'd love to see some links or pics of those purpose-built 26"/700C Bontragers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goto11 View Post
    I'd love to see some links or pics of those purpose-built 26"/700C Bontragers.
    I am striking out in finding the post. I know Williwoods posted his old neighbor from Ojai's one at some point. The other I've seen in person belongs to UCSC biology professor Mike Dalbey. Maybe he'll send photos if you ask nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue View Post
    Among others. Are these the ones with the boss mounts for both 700c and 26". Ones' been posted here (and yes, it had a brazed segmented fork) and a biology professor at UCSC has one.
    Those were earlier customs, I've seen 3. Green, black, and another green. I saved pics of Willi's neighbors, gimme a sec

    I know I've seen a 7hundo "production" sometime reccently, but I don't remember exactly where

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    btw.. what fork was on those bikes? Don't tell us there was a custom segmented fork..
    No, not a Bontrager fork. Iirc, they were tig-welded uni-crown forks, but I don't recall what brand... maybe Tange.

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    I have a set of Bontrager Comp (triple-clamp) fork legs with bosses for 700c wheels. What would be the story on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    I have a set of Bontrager Comp (triple-clamp) fork legs with bosses for 700c wheels. What would be the story on that?
    Comp, race, or cx legs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    Comp, race, or cx legs?
    Like I said, they are Comp legs (1-1/8" dia.) but the bosses are positioned for 700c or an apparent CX
    configuration, yet I've not seen a CX bike running these legs before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    Like I said, they are Comp legs (1-1/8" dia.) but the bosses are positioned for 700c or an apparent CX
    configuration, yet I've not seen a CX bike running these legs before.
    Hmmm

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    Well, thanks to you all here , I've just doubled the size of my Bontrager bikes from from 2 to 4. The first two I had purchased new - a Privateer S in '96 (photos a few pages back) and a '97 Race Lite purchased I think in '98. I just got the crankset I needed last week in order to complete the rebuild of the Race Lite and will post some photos of that when complete.

    In the meantime I found 2 more Race bikes on ebay. Both are green and are the first green bikes I've owned after an assortment of blue, black and red. The first was a local seller and I picked it up on Tuesday. It was a complete bike, the term used loosely, that is now in a bunch of pieces. I think it is a '94 though not sure. It has an older repaint by Cycle Art in Emerald Green that I rather like though it is a little rough. It also has a Mag 21 fork that as far as I can tell is a '93 or '94 - it seems to have parts from both years. It has the Bontrager crown but is also very rough. The rest is an assortment of parts, mostly old Shimano including an XTR rear hub wheel, LX/XT shifters and derailleurs, XT cantilever brakes and some Cook Bros cranks that I really like and cleaned up nice. I normally ride a Med (15" ctc) frame and this is a 19" ctc. It does seem to have an almost level top tube though and the standover is ok. And, since I'm planning to set this up for some sort of road/off road use, I think it's going to be good. The frame is missing the chain suck device, has horizontal dropouts, the FD pulley and the seat stay tupe cap is welded. The worst part, and the seller did not disclose it to me, is that the seatpost is frozen - so I'm working on that now

    The second is a frame only in British Racing Green and just arrived a couple of hours ago via FedEx. This one also has a frozen seatpost but at least it was disclosed. This one has an interesting looking 4 piece chain suck plate, horizontal dropouts, the FD pulley and the second set of water bottle cage bosses on the underside of the down tube and the seat stay looks plugged. It's missing all of the decals but not the glue . But most of the glue is coming off and other than a few of the usual battle scars is cleaning up pretty nice - thanks to the powder coat. This one I plan to set up as a single speed, perhaps w/650b wheels and probably a suspension fork. Originally I planned to build this one up first using some of the components from the first bike. But now I think I'm going to just rebuild the first one as purchased and then start changing some of the components later - upright bars, better brakes, etc. And hopefully a repaint as some point. So the BRG one doesn't look like it will need a repaint so I just need some decals ... and a fork ... and, and, and perhaps a donor bike.

    So many of the bikes I've done, inlcuding a few Schwinns, are just rebuilds of complete bikes. So I'm looking forward to having the freedom to try some different things with these two. And happy I'm starting with Bontrager frames.

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    Some photos of the Emerald Green just before being dismantled:

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    Here is the BRG frame. Still needs a little more glue removal but cleaned up pretty good. I think it has potential. SN=9597. I couldn't find a SN on the Emerald Green frame. The bottom bracket has an 18 teeth on the cups - not sure what they are and don't have a tool to get it out. Maybe I'll just leave it.

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    Thanks Hollister - that is good to know and a bit of a bonus I suppose. I can see a sealed bearing and it's still smooth. But still want to take it out and inspect and clean inside the BB.

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    I've been riding my Bonty alot lately and I'm really grooving on it. It's become my daily commuter and I've been taking it on longer offroad weekend rides. However, I am noticing that the front end gets a bit jittery under heavy braking.

    Can anyone give me some advice on how to minimize or eliminate the jitter?

    Is it just a matter of getting the toe-in correct? Or different pads?


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    Do the canti's "wobble" in the post? If the brass bushings and or post are worn, the "play" can cause the shudder.

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    Short top tube + 150mm stem and retro narrow bars may be the cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classen View Post
    I've been riding my Bonty alot lately and I'm really grooving on it. It's become my daily commuter and I've been taking it on longer offroad weekend rides. However, I am noticing that the front end gets a bit jittery under heavy braking.

    Can anyone give me some advice on how to minimize or eliminate the jitter?

    Is it just a matter of getting the toe-in correct? Or different pads?
    Different fork. I've found every Bontrager fork I've ridden to get a little excited under hard braking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Different fork. I've found every Bontrager fork I've ridden to get a little excited under hard braking.
    The fork on my Bonty CX (fork is actually made by Steelman) flexes a lot during hard braking - especially at lower speeds. I can see the fork ends move back and forth.

    I've not experienced it on the Comp forks, but the legs did come with different wall thickness, so I'm sure that the thinner ones have more flex.
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    Same with my Bontrager, I've made a video at 00:14 you will see the flex
    It seems normal to me

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    Loving the photos of your Bonty! Could you possibly tell me the dimensions fo the roller though please? Mine has been long lost but a mate is going to machine one from a type of plastic for me. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chall View Post
    Loving the photos of your Bonty! Could you possibly tell me the dimensions fo the roller though please? Mine has been long lost but a mate is going to machine one from a type of plastic for me. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Chall.
    Look elsewhere in this forum for the part number for the roller. It is an off-the-shelf screen door roller, available at many hardware stores. No need to machine anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goto11 View Post
    Look elsewhere in this forum for the part number for the roller. It is an off-the-shelf screen door roller, available at many hardware stores. No need to machine anything.
    Cheers for this bud! I will get on it asap!

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    A few more photos - cleaned them up a bit more though won't be done until seatposts come out.

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    700c Bontrager

    Quote Originally Posted by goto11 View Post
    I'd love to see some links or pics of those purpose-built 26"/700C Bontragers.
    I have one of them (silver w/ blue decals). I'm in the process of building it up. Using a segmented fork w/ Paul's bmx motolites until I can find a proper cx fork. I'll post pics in a few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goto11 View Post
    I'd love to see some links or pics of those purpose-built 26"/700C Bontragers.
    Finally got this built up, mostly with spare parts for now to see how it would ride. Pretty much a stock 26" frame with 130 spacing (check out the photo of the bends on the stays, near the dropouts) and higher brake posts.

    It needs a narrower spindle (107 or 103) to get a good chain line and some motolites for the rear. Ideally it would get a Bontrager CX fork at some point.

    I'm planning to run some 700X45 Panaracer Smokes. There is a surprising amount of tire clearance.





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    how does it ride w/ such a tall BB?
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    how does it ride w/ such a tall BB?
    It definitely feels taller, but I also ride 29ers so it doesn't feel strange. That said, I think it's better suited for gravel roads than tight trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    how does it ride w/ such a tall BB?

    That bike is really cool. I didn't know they existed a month a go but now I want one.

    FYI, I've seen the same fork 'adjusted' for 700c wheels by drilling out the rivet that secures the brake boss and setting a new one.

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    A few, (probably dumb), questions...

    When did they go from 1" to 1 1/8" headtube?

    When was the switch to one piece seat stays?

    When did th e canti hanger disappear?

    Did any of the 90's frames have regular rear brake studs?

    The Grafton Mag I took off the rear won't work on a regular brake stud...did they make Bonty specific brakes?



    Thanks for I indulging my stupidity.



    Steve

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    98

    95ish

    98, unless it was shaved

    None of the Santa Cruz mtn bikes did

    No
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    Thank you Hollister.

    So...my 1" ht, one piece seatstay, canti-hangered, no rear stud frame
    Was probably made between '95 and '98.

    Any way to tell if it was CA or WI built?

    Should there be a serial# on the BB?

    I'll have to take another look at the rear Grafton to see why it wouldn't fit on a regular stud.


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    Yup

    Race and rl were all sc built

    Serial mumbers(on the dropouts) mean nothing

    I'm betting the boss is stuck in the brake
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    My newly built up Privateer

    Finally got all the parts together and it's ready to go.

    98 Privateer Comp frame(EwBay $120!)
    XT M750 shifter, hubs, derailleur, crankset, BB, etc
    Avid Single Digit Ti brakeset
    Easton carbon riser bar, Ritchey WCS stem, Titec post and barends
    Selle Gel Ti seat
    Salsa Cromoto fork

    I tried to keep it somewhat retro but reliable and not stupid light. I know it's from Wisconsin and I've had Racelites and even a TiLite in my past but hey, it's the same tubes and geometry, the welds just aren't as pretty and it was cheap and I'm not stuck with a weird fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ted simmons View Post
    and I'm not stuck with a weird fork.
    What weird fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    What weird fork?
    1 1/8 headtube on his bike
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    Here's mine, it had been modernized when I purchased. Wish I had a rigid fork up front.

    anything Steel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel29er View Post
    Here's mine, it had been modernized when I purchased.
    That's a big one.
    Each bicycle owned exponentially increases the probability that none is working correctly.

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    And it looks like a very nice one too.

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