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    looks legit. very cool
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    Cool fork.

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    Does anyone know what the stock headset crown race was on a '96 Privateer?

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    It was a Tange Levin CD-S 1":

    http://www.mtb-kataloge.de/html/bontrager.html

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    I didn't think Privateers were 1".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    I didn't think Privateers were 1".
    Most were 1". The final year (1998) the Privateers came with a 1-1/8 head tube.
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    Actually the Privateers came with 1 1/8 headsets both ´98 and ´99, which was the final year Privateers were made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namkrad
    Actually the Privateers came with 1 1/8 headsets both ´98 and ´99, which was the final year Privateers were made.
    Pretty sure Laffeux was dead on right, there was no '99 model.

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    <img src = "https://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/Sizzle-Chest/IMG_0102.jpg?t=1302372123" >

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    <img src = "https://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/Sizzle-Chest/IMG_0083.jpg?t=1302372267" >

    <img src = "https://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/Sizzle-Chest/IMG_0082.jpg?t=1302372288" >

    <img src = "https://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/Sizzle-Chest/IMG_0079.jpg?t=1302372304" >

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    A few pages back (https://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php...postcount=393), I mentioned wanting to replace my '99 Privateer Comp. I finally found one and it's 22lbs of pure fun! Here's the parts list for anyone interested:

    -1994 Race Frame
    -Judy Fork
    -Paul Word Hubs / Sun Rims / White Industries 20t Freewheel / Salsa Skewer
    -Ritchey WCS Crankset / 34t Ring
    -Time ATAC Pedals
    -Paul Crosstop Brakes
    -Chris King No Logo 1" Headset
    -Nitto Stem
    -Salsa Moto Ace Bars
    -XT Levers
    -Yeti Grips
    -Thomson Elite Seatpost
    -Bontrager Race FS Saddle
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    Those red ano bits look great on your bike. Thanks for sharing it.
    Too many bikes, and just enough time to ride them.

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    Well done Sizzler, that bike looks like a lot of fun.

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    Agreed--looks like a fun ride! I really dig the hubs and brakes.
    (but your seatpost is facing backwards)

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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y
    (but your seatpost is facing backwards)
    Yeah, it makes the bike go faster.

    Thanks for all the compliments, but I can't take much credit. The only things I have changed are the drivetrain and the saddle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler
    I mentioned wanting to replace my '99 Privateer Comp. I finally found one and it's 22lbs of pure fun! Here's the parts list for anyone interested:
    I want to ride it. Want to swap bikes some weekend?

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    Sure, as long as you sterilize your taint or bring your own saddle. I want to keep that embroidered logo pristine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler
    Sure, as long as you sterilize your taint or bring your own saddle. I want to keep that embroidered logo pristine!
    I'll see if I can borrow a pressure washer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler
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    Where do you guys keep coming up with these metal head badges from? Cost? Availability?
    Don't call it a gooseneck.

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    ^^^^^ +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jak0zilla
    Where do you guys keep coming up with these metal head badges from? Cost? Availability?
    They were made by Jen Green. $65 IIRC.
    http://www.headbadges.com/

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    ^ Thanks!
    Don't call it a gooseneck.

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    KB's website gone?

    The website that Keith Bontrager maintained after the Trek aquisition (http://ridesmarter.com/) seems to have disappeared recently. Does anybody happen to have a copy of the frame geometry chart that was located there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamkeith
    The website that Keith Bontrager maintained after the Trek aquisition (http://ridesmarter.com/) seems to have disappeared recently. Does anybody happen to have a copy of the frame geometry chart that was located there?
    Yeah, I noticed it went bye-bye last week. I used internet time machine to get the data:
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    Yeah, I noticed it went bye-bye last week. I used internet time machine to get the data:
    Thanks! I guess I need to get in the habit of saving worthwhile items off of the internet instead of counting on them always being there.
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    With the help of Chris King I was able to convert the old No-Logo to threadless. Here's how it looks now:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler
    With the help of Chris King I was able to convert the old No-Logo to threadless. Here's how it looks now:
    I like the rigid fork. How you like those tires so far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    Yeah, I noticed it went bye-bye last week. I used internet time machine to get the data:
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umarth
    I like the rigid fork. How you like those tires so far?
    I haven't had a chance to try them, but they are definitely on the smaller side of 2.0, so I'm not hold out much hope, a mistake perhaps, a misguided attempt to drop a pound!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler
    I haven't had a chance to try them, but they are definitely on the smaller side of 2.0, so I'm not hold out much hope, a mistake perhaps, a misguided attempt to drop a pound!

    I've used those tyres for years for racing in the northeast. I think they work very well and they are light as hell. They are billed as a 2.1 but closer to a 1.9- the trick is to pump them up to 65psi and let them stretch for a week. Good all around tyre that is old school to fit the bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paetersen
    I've used those tyres for years for racing in the northeast. I think they work very well and they are light as hell. They are billed as a 2.1 but closer to a 1.9- the trick is to pump them up to 65psi and let them stretch for a week. Good all around tyre that is old school to fit the bikes.
    Thanks for the tip, I'll give that a shot, they are incredibly light, Ritchey lists them at 478g but they ended up being 450g each!

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    Nice rides, they bring back a lot of memories... it amazes how few of these you see floating around nowadays. I'm just hoping there are more Bontrager bikes hiding in the back of garages that will find their way into garage sales, craigslist, etc. over time. It makes me sad that Bontrager is all but forgotten nowadays, except as house brand parts for Trek... especially as steel single-speed, 29'er and boutique frames have come back into favor in recent years.

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    Thought I would add these shots of my 91 OR to this thread. Bontrager 1 piece bar/stem and composite fork. I previously owned a 96 Race Lite, 97 Ti-Lite, and most recently a 96 Privateer. This particular bike rides great on our tight missouri singletrack, and has lots of cool details like the pump peg and bonded riveted guides. Need to find a good syncros post and Bontrager or flite saddle for her at some point.




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    Classy and stealthy.

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    Here's another one for the thread:



    The frame used to be ChefMiguels, until he MADE me take it. It's a '92(?) with horizontal rear dropouts.

    The fork is a "frankenfork" made from a Bontrager crown (for proper rake) and Tange blades, although I think I'll be swapping it for a Comp fork soon. The Tange blades "chatter" under heavy braking.

    It's interesting that it feels so different than my RaceLite (geared), but then again very familiar.
    Don't call it a gooseneck.

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    Oooh. I dig it.
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    If you ask me nicely Jack, I'd be willing to take it back.

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    i will start looking for a Bonty again.. but w/ a rigid fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jak0zilla

    The fork is a "frankenfork" made from a Bontrager crown (for proper rake) and Tange blades, although I think I'll be swapping it for a Comp fork soon. The Tange blades "chatter" under heavy braking.

    For what it's worth, my Comp fork chatters too under real hard braking. Not sure if it's the pads or what, but I think I need a Type II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    For what it's worth, my Comp fork chatters too under real hard braking. Not sure if it's the pads or what, but I think I need a Type II.
    I noticed you both run the cable from your stem, which along with the forks flex slightly when braking, and if I understand the concept correctly, this changes the length of the cable causing cyclically inconsistent braking and consequently fork chatter. I think your only solution is the admittedly ugly fork crown cable stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler
    I think your only solution is the admittedly ugly fork crown cable stop.
    I've heard that theory, but there are countless examples of forks without this fork crown cable stop that don't chatter.

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    Ditto. I've run similar stems on a few bikes, some with rollers and some with welded stops integrated into the extension. I'm as sure as can be that this has nothing to do with brake chatter - what does cause it is the brake grabbing the rim which makes the fork blades deflect. Once the blade cannot flex more it springs back. You can watch this happen.

    The solution is a beefier fork. The Groovy fork on my RaceLite has never done this. Different brake pads sometimes alleviate it also. Unfortunately the WTB pads that I know to work with that fork are no longer made. The one last thing would be for me to lose 20 pounds - which i expect would also make things better!
    Don't call it a gooseneck.

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    Bontrager made the blades in different thicknesses, probably have the light ones?

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    fine tuning continues

    When I first built my NOS '96 in 2007, I went 9 speed, v brakes, "newer" Bonty wheelset, etc.etc. I wasn't happy at all with the way-soft "zokes, so over the years I've been playing around. Manitou EFC was on for a while-a bit too tall, FAT BOI felt good, but my bad shoulder wanted a sus fork.

    Wanted to ditch the nine V-speed stuff for good old 8.

    Rebuilt the Zokes with heavier Speed Springs and new oil, finally found a cable hanger for it, went back to Suntour 8 speed XC pro thumbies, XC pro levers, Gravity Research canti's front, Avid Tri in rear, "old" style Paul's Moon Units, matching XTR deraillers, Titec Ti bar, Salsa steel stem, NOS Ingleheart bar gnats, Pedros slimwall grips, Mavic blue X222-XT wheelset, and a NOS Control Tech sus seatpost (that fits, no shims!). Post is set up pretty firm, just takes the edge off hard hits.

    I think I'm finally happy with it!
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    fine tuning continues

    When I first built my NOS '96 in 2007, I went 9 speed, v brakes, "newer" Bonty wheelset, etc.etc. I wasn't happy at all with the way-soft "zokes, so over the years I've been playing around. Manitou EFC was on for a while-a bit too tall, FAT BOI felt good, but my bad shoulder wanted a sus fork.

    Wanted to ditch the nine V-speed stuff for good old 8.

    Rebuilt the Zokes with heavier Speed Springs and new oil, finally found a cable hanger for it, went back to Suntour 8 speed xc pro thumbies, XC pro levers, Gravity Research canti's front, Avid Tri in rear, Paul's Moon Units, matching XTR deraillers, Titec Ti bar, Salsa steel stem, NOS Ingleheart bar gnats, Pedros slimwall grips, Mavic blue X222-XT wheelset, and a NOS Control Tech sus seatpost (that fits, no shims!). Post is set up pretty firm, just takes the edge off hard hits.

    I think I'm finally happy with it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange View Post
    Bontrager made the blades in different thicknesses, probably have the light ones?
    Did they make different thicknesses at the same time or change things as time went on? I have early ones that are tanks compared to later ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue View Post
    Did they make different thicknesses at the same time or change things as time went on? I have early ones that are tanks compared to later ones.
    same time. medium was stock, light(and ultralight) and heavy were up charge options
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    same time. medium was stock, light(and ultralight) and heavy were up charge options
    seconded

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    [QUOTE=KDXdog;8196327]When I first built my NOS '96 in 2007...

    Looks like a size large? I managed to pick up both an 1996 NOS size small Race and a size medium Racelite in the same paint color w/yellow decal set. I wonder if there was a stash that was discovered years after the bikes were discontinued that was then put on the market, or maybe they were just an unpopular color combo when new!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    same time. medium was stock, light(and ultralight) and heavy were up charge options
    Any tips on determining which version is which? I have had this discussion in the past, but never really found a way to validate which version I have for sure. I can't say that I have had any fork chatter, but missouri trails aren't full of steep hills that would result in me needing to lock on the brakes on a regaular basis. That said I can vividly recall the prestige straight bladed unicrown fork on my first gen Alien chattering like crazy though, so I am familiar with the feeling. Just wondering as there appears to be wide variety of versions of the Bontrager forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N10S View Post
    Any tips on determining which version is which? I have had this discussion in the past, but never really found a way to validate which version I have for sure. I can't say that I have had any fork chatter, but missouri trails aren't full of steep hills that would result in me needing to lock on the brakes on a regular basis. That said I can vividly recall the prestige straight bladed unicrown fork on my first gen Alien chattering like crazy though, so I am familiar with the feeling. Just wondering as there appears to be wide variety of versions of the Bontrager forks.
    By weight and by taking caps off and looking for reinforcing tubes mounted inside

    The light ones I have do not have anything inside while the heavier and more rigid ones have another thicker tube inside

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange View Post
    By weight and by taking caps off and looking for reinforcing tubes mounted inside

    The light ones I have do not have anything inside while the heavier and more rigid ones have another thicker tube inside
    Thats good info. Mine does have the reinforcing tubes at the top where the legs insert into the crown, so it must be one of the standard versions and also why my fork doesn't have chatter issues.

    Thanks Mr Orange!

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    Quote Originally Posted by N10S View Post
    Thats good info. Mine does have the reinforcing tubes at the top where the legs insert into the crown, so it must be one of the standard versions and also why my fork doesn't have chatter issues.

    Thanks Mr Orange!
    Digging further, I also notice and remember

    Tube material thickness also different

    Different finish levels and color combos were also offered

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    Well, all of the parts to restore/modernize my '96 Privateer Comp have finally arrived. The frame has been stripped of the old parts and cleaned up. There are several spots where chain slap and use have worn the paint off but there is VERY little rust. Should I build the bike and ride it for the remainder of this season as it is or should I have it powder coated now and then built up?

    I am trying to decide if I should spend the $150 now on powder coating or wait until the paint starts to really go and/or surface rust appears.

    Thanks for the input,
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    Question about the Bontrager CX -

    Some photos I've seen show a gusseted frame and what seems to be larger (in diameter) tubing in the main triangle. Where does a frame like this fall in the CX family/timeline?

    Thanks in advance--I've learned a lot reading through this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek View Post
    Here's mine, it could be yours...

    Ahhhh, the M739 cranks; best looking crankset Shimano ever sold. Oh, nice bike btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exapkib View Post
    Question about the Bontrager CX -

    Some photos I've seen show a gusseted frame and what seems to be larger (in diameter) tubing in the main triangle. Where does a frame like this fall in the CX family/timeline?

    Thanks in advance--I've learned a lot reading through this thread.
    Here's a pic of the production CX frame which was made from about 1994 until the end of the frame building days 1997ish. The "stock" color was gray but other colors exist. Any bike that looks different from this was made prior to 1994.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    Here's a pic of the production CX frame which was made from about 1994 until the end of the frame building days 1997ish. The "stock" color was gray but other colors exist. Any bike that looks different from this was made prior to 1994.
    Thanks for the reply--that photo is beautiful for so many different reasons.

    I can't quite tell, though--are the tube junctions gusseted on that frame? It seemed to me from some of the other photos in this forum that they are not always gusseted.

    What would you compare the ride of this frame to? I used to commute on a Surly Cross Check, and have been trying to find an affordable replacement. Is this frame in the ballpark?

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    Quote Originally Posted by exapkib View Post
    I can't quite tell, though--are the tube junctions gusseted on that frame? It seemed to me from some of the other photos in this forum that they are not always gusseted.

    What would you compare the ride of this frame to? I used to commute on a Surly Cross Check, and have been trying to find an affordable replacement. Is this frame in the ballpark?

    The frame is gusseted. If you're familiar with the Race and Race Lite mountain bikes, the gussets are at the same place (near the head tube and BB). Some of the older frame do not have gussets, but the production frames do.

    I've not ridden a Surly, so I can't compare the ride to that. However.... the biggest factor that I notice on the Bontrager is related to the fork which has much less offset than a typical CX fork. The stock fork makes the bike very stable - the bike is excellent for bombing downhill. It's not a quick steering bike.

    There were two forks available on the production bikes. The catalog shows one with curved legs (I'm not sure who made the fork), and some came with a straight bladed fork made by Steelman. Otherwise the frames should be the same.
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    I used to commute on a Surly Cross Check, and have been trying to find an affordable replacement. Is this frame in the ballpark?
    I thought the Surly was the affordable replacement. If you can find a Bonty for less than a Surly, you should get it.

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    I thought the Surly was the affordable replacement. If you can find a Bonty for less than a Surly, you should get it.
    Thanks for the reply (and the wisdom). I have missed my Surly a lot ever since I had to sell it. The used market is so crazy in these parts that the CX is:

    #1 - available, and
    #2 - costs less than I got for the Surly last year.

    I think I've got a bike to buy.

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    Check for condition. Paint, rust, dent, cracks. Check the parts. You didn't give us much to go on. No pictures or price. This makes it really hard to help you. Good luck and I hope you will be happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Check for condition. Paint, rust, dent, cracks. Check the parts. You didn't give us much to go on. No pictures or price. This makes it really hard to help you. Good luck and I hope you will be happy with it.
    Thanks for the suggestions. I will give it a good going-over. Frame looks to be rust-free. Shimano XT drivetrain/brakes with Sachs brifters. Rolf Vector wheelset, though I have my own wheels that I'll throw on.

    Seller is asking $650 - top of my (graduate student) budget, but fills two needs - a commuter and back-up road bike that can handle the dirt roads around here. I'm going to aim for $550ish.

    Apparently I have not yet posted enough to include photos. Sorry about that.

    I also apologize for filling this fantastic thread with a 'what's it worth' question--not my original intention. Look at it this way, though--if I can accumulate enough posts and talk myself into buying this bike, I will have some nice photos of another CX! (Will that absolve me of my guilt?)

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    My two Bonti's, both are Races.

    Not sure of year, but I think 1996ish, due to the non-segmented stays.




    This one I think is a 1992, has the semi horizontal drops.





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    My pre-93 OR and Road Lite.

    In the process of slowly working on a '95 Race project.
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    What is the size of that road lite?

    Cheers

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    Road Lite is a Small - 45.4 cm C to C

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    should i buy this privateer?

    ok...so i finally got the old lady's ok to spend a few bux to buy another bike & i've been wanting to relive my childhood by buying a retro(?) mtb.
    sadly, i lost out on a couple of very cool steel rigid stumpjumpers.
    then ran across this bonty privateer in average, at best, condition. it needs work but of course the owner thinks he's got classic gold in his hands. for a couple weeks he has not been able to sell @ his $300 firm asking price. a few days ago i offered $175 & he passed.
    he just contacted me willing to "let it go for $250"...am i crazy to consider going up to $200-225 for this bike?
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    My newly acquired '92 OR!

    Just picked this up yesterday, first CX race in November! '92 OR with original fork. Not planning to change much, rides like a dream. Thanks, Frank!

    Just out of curiosity, what is the largest rear tire you guys have been able to fit on these frames?




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    Had a great ride yesterday afternoon. Perfect fall day in the midwest. Afternoon ride in a canopy of gold leaves with the sunlight spilling through. Nice solo ride on the Bontrager. The bike is perfect for this kind of ride. No rush and no worries, just nice wooded singletrack and a well-matched trail bike.


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    Quote Originally Posted by edray View Post
    Just picked this up yesterday, first CX race in November! '92 OR with original fork...

    Just out of curiosity, what is the largest rear tire you guys have been able to fit on these frames?
    If you're using that bike for CX races, the better question is: "what is the narrowest rear tire that you guys have run on these?"

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    Weld question

    Can someone give me an opinon on this weld. I just purchased this bontrager race lite bike from ebay and the seller is stating that this is a factory weld. This is an older frame. It has two piece seat stays and is a size extra small.

    The rest of the welds on this bike are clean. Was this something that was comon to early bikes. The seller is claiming to be the original owner and that no repairs have been done to the bike.
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    I have never seen that poor of a weld on a bontrager.

    I am intersted in what others have to say, that sure looks like a repair to me. Looks like the frame has been repainted as well. I dont recall that color as a stock color.......how about pics of the whole bike?

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    gawd, that's terrible.

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    I will get more pictures tonight. I don't have any of the bike itself.

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    Wow!! That's a crappy weld and the smallest wishbone I've seen on a Bontrager.

    I've not seen anything but nice looking welds on the Santa Cruz Bontragers. Either someone was having a really really bad day when they did that, or it's a repair.
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    Is this it?
    no. you don't even need colkervision for that one.

    Yeah, I would say that's most definitely a repair.

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    no. you don't even need colkervision for that one.

    Yeah, I would say that's most definitely a repair.
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    No that isn't the bike I bought. This thing is really small (size 12). I actully bought it for my daughter, so I'm not too worried about it getting beat to death. Just thought if it had been welded that it should have been diclosed.

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    Here is the listting photo....
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    That repair should have been disclosed to you. I would take it up with the seller and/or ebay asap.

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    Positively a re-weld/repair

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    Thanks for the responses. I agree, unfortunately the seller still is instisting that it has been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcurtis View Post
    Thanks for the responses. I agree, unfortunately the seller still is instisting that it has been.
    So long as all the communication was through ebay, I think you should be able to make your case.

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    Im super stoked on mine. '92 Racelite @ Something Wicked 6hrs of Cathedral Pines. My hands/arms were considerably more sore than I have ever felt before, but it kept me honest and was a blast in the corners. I love this bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edray View Post
    Im super stoked on mine. '92 Racelite @ Something Wicked 6hrs of Cathedral Pines. My hands/arms were considerably more sore than I have ever felt before, but it kept me honest and was a blast in the corners. I love this bike.
    PS: Anybody have a line on any CX frames? Saw one on eBay a week ago but it was a bit out of my price range.
    Nice! I was at Cathedral Pines with my orange '94 Race. The mag21 up front was the deciding factor for that over my '90 OR rigid. Even with the front fork my wrists were killing me after 70 miles on the bike. Your bike and my '90 could be twins: Same colour, same decals and rigid SS. As far as I know there were about 5 Bontragers there on Saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paetersen View Post
    Nice! I was at Cathedral Pines with my orange '94 Race. The mag21 up front was the deciding factor for that over my '90 OR rigid. Even with the front fork my wrists were killing me after 70 miles on the bike. Your bike and my '90 could be twins: Same colour, same decals and rigid SS. As far as I know there were about 5 Bontragers there on Saturday.
    Ah thats awesome! I definitely saw you there, very cool. The '94 is really pretty. I met another guy there who has a whole quiver of Bontragers in his basement, none that were present though. I saw our three, must've missed the other two. I loved it out on the course, all those sweeping turns were crazy fun. My wrists are still aching after 60miles though. Going for 70+ next year!

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    Can someone please tell me what the little black thing is on the seat tube under the seat clamp on some Bontragers? It almost looks like a pice of tape, but I've seen it on several bikes. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classen View Post
    Can someone please tell me what the little black thing is on the seat tube under the seat clamp on some Bontragers? It almost looks like a pice of tape, but I've seen it on several bikes. Thanks.
    Original.

    They're slow though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classen View Post
    Can someone please tell me what the little black thing is on the seat tube under the seat clamp on some Bontragers? It almost looks like a pice of tape, but I've seen it on several bikes. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotdirt View Post
    a simple rubber sleeve to keep brake-cable rub from wearing down the finish...
    I think it's to keep water from getting in. But yeah, just a piece of rubber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue View Post
    I think it's to keep water from getting in. But yeah, just a piece of rubber.
    Yep. It's too keep water out of the slot in the seat tube. They came from the factory on Bontrager frames. If you need one, an inner tube cut to size makes a good replacement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    Yep. It's too keep water out of the slot in the seat tube. They came from the factory on Bontrager frames. If you need one, an inner tube cut to size makes a good replacement.
    Needs to be a fairly skinny inner tube, I've found road bike tubes fit best.

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    They even came on CX frames.
    Zip ties? Not on my bike!

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    Imposter crown?

    What do you experts make of this?

    I recently bought a Rock Shox Judy DH with a 1" steerer, specifically because it was supposed have a bontrager crown. Now that I have it in my hands, it doesn't look any different from the regular, silver Judy crowns that I have - except that it's black.

    Am I correct in thinking that this is not a reduced-offset crown, or is the difference between the two versions too subtle to see? I unfortunately no longer have the correct one that came with my bike to compare against, and I don't remember exactly what it looked like.

    If anyone can show me or direct me to some pictures comparing known-different crowns, I'd appreciate it.

    Also, any idea what's up with the bolt head at the bottom of the steerer tube? This is a threadless 1" steerer. Could it have something to do with that? I've never seen this either, on any threaded tubes.

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    this may or may not be helpful, particularly since it's a threaded 1" bontrager specific judy compared to a 1 1/8" threadless judy crown
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler View Post
    this may or may not be helpful, particularly since it's a threaded 1" bontrager specific judy compared to a 1 1/8" threadless judy crown
    Hmmm... The fact that the bontrager one has press-fit legs, instead of bolt-in, makes it even harder. But thanks nonetheless.

    I found this thread after posting my question, but it doesn't quite answer the question either - other than to suggest that there were very few threadless 1" bontrager crowns.

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    Well, I just recieved a black bolt-on judy crown, with a long ti steerer.
    Only the top is threaded so about 7 " threadless. I´m gonna use it as threadless

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    Since we're on the topic of forks, could someone please give a simplified explanation to a doofus such as myself what the bontrager offset does to the geometry and handling?

    In another thread, colker1 explained that it moves "your front wheel axle is closer to your downtube by .25in. . ."

    So, does the bontrager offset reduce trail and give the bike handling characteristics similar to increasing the head angle beyond 71 degrees?

    colker1 also explained that it give the bontrager "Better high speed stability", but it seems like the bontrager would be less stable and more twitchy as a result?

    Also, if increasing the fork's length reduces the head angle, then would a suspension corrected bontrager frame handle poorly with an earlier bontrager composite fork?

    I'm guessing everything I just said was wrong so please help me understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler View Post
    Since we're on the topic of forks, could someone please give a simplified explanation to a doofus such as myself what the bontrager offset does to the geometry and handling?

    In another thread, colker1 explained that it moves "your front wheel axle is closer to your downtube by .25in. . ."

    So, does the bontrager offset reduce trail and give the bike handling characteristics similar to increasing the head angle beyond 71 degrees?

    colker1 also explained that it give the bontrager "Better high speed stability", but it seems like the bontrager would be less stable and more twitchy as a result?

    Also, if increasing the fork's length reduces the head angle, then would a suspension corrected bontrager frame handle poorly with an earlier bontrager composite fork?

    I'm guessing everything I just said was wrong so please help me understand.
    I'd like to hear some thoiughts on this, too. I've often heard that the bontrager crown was intended to "quicken steering," but that doesn't make sense to me.

    As you noted, a REDUCED-offset crown should INCREASE TRAIL, which would make the steering slower and more stable.

    This might explain why so many people have been happy with the change to taller( 80mm) forks with increased (ie.: standard) offset crowns: The resulting REDUCED TRAIL would theoretically quicken steering a bit, thereby compensating for the slackened head tube angle.

    I'm in the process of rebuilding 3 bontys - a race, a race lite, and a ti lite - and I have three different 1" forks and crowns, of varying offsets and travels, and have been trying to wrap my head around this question too, as I decide which to pair with which.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamkeith View Post
    I'd like to hear some thoiughts on this, too. I've often heard that the bontrager crown was intended to "quicken steering," but that doesn't make sense to me.

    As you noted, a REDUCED-offset crown should INCREASE TRAIL, which would make the steering slower and more stable.
    Bontragers came with a somewhat steep HTA which make bikes handle quickly. To offset the steepened angle the fork used a reduced offset to stabilize the handling at speed. So the bikes handled quickly at slower speeds, yet weren't too unstable at higher speeds.

    And Sizzler... it's somewhat counter intuitive, but moving the wheel closer to the frame by reducing the fork's offset makes a bike more stable. Conversely, moving the wheel further forward by slackening the head tube angle also makes a bike more stable.
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    I have a 94 Race with the Bontrager fork and ti hellbent bars. Love it and ride it often.





    I have wondered so many times why KB does not get back into frame production. I'd buy a steel 29'er in a heartbeat.

    Any ideas why he called it quits and remains in "retirement"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by puddletown View Post
    Any ideas why he called it quits and remains in "retirement"?
    Might have to do with the dumptrucks full of money Trek delivers to his house each morning.

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    Alright, we all love our Bontragers. Like many of you, I have owned several bikes since I originally retired my Bonty due to a blown fork, but none have compared.

    I am finally getting to the point where my '96 Privateer Comp is almost revamped (just waiting on a new headset to come in). I am also, however, preparing myself for the time when I will eventually need to replace the Bonty (due to frame stress, fatigue or god forbid a crash).

    Then, the question becomes, who, if anyone, is currently producing a frame with similar ride qualities? Production models only, custom doesn't count. From my research, it appears that Voodoo follows the geometry most closely. Any other thoughts or comments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bianchinut View Post
    Alright, we all love our Bontragers. Like many of you, I have owned several bikes since I originally retired my Bonty due to a blown fork, but none have compared.

    I am finally getting to the point where my '96 Privateer Comp is almost revamped (just waiting on a new headset to come in). I am also, however, preparing myself for the time when I will eventually need to replace the Bonty (due to frame stress, fatigue or god forbid a crash).

    Then, the question becomes, who, if anyone, is currently producing a frame with similar ride qualities? Production models only, custom doesn't count. From my research, it appears that Voodoo follows the geometry most closely. Any other thoughts or comments?
    Why not just get another Privateer? They're not uncommon or expensive. Go with what you like and what you knows works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bianchinut View Post
    Then, the question becomes, who, if anyone, is currently producing a frame with similar ride qualities? Production models only, custom doesn't count.
    Why limit it to "production" frames only? There are plenty of builders that can build you a bike that will ride like a Bontrager. Rock Lobster and Hunter have the Santa Cruz connection, and Kirk Pacenti (BikeLugs.com) probably built the frame that you're riding right now.

    Vicous Cycles makes frames that are somewhat similar, but the BB is a bit higher.
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    Nice!!!
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    Where did you get it? From Sky? Why the new Syncros there?
    WTB: Bomber Z2 1 1/8 steerer, in good to excellent shape OR bomber rebuild kit.

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    Great looking bike. Looks like the relatively old Syncros too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    Why the new Syncros there?
    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig View Post
    Looks like the relatively old Syncros too...
    which one is it?

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    Great looking bike, R. The problem with Bontragers is once you ride one the rest of your bikes will seem ho-hum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    Great looking bike, R. The problem with Bontragers is once you ride one the rest of your bikes will seem ho-hum.
    The Phoenix and potts.. they became lethargic.
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    Great looking bike. Looks like the relatively old Syncros too...
    feels too new for that bike. An XT would fit better.. and then strap a turbo saddle there.
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    Mud would be a better fit. Go get that poor thing dirty. It's *too* clean...

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    Where did you get it? From Sky? Why the new Syncros there?
    Ya, VeloCult purchase. Vertical text is older Syncros. Not a first gen post, but not totally out of place. It was on my 89 Ultimate (which the original owner of that bike spec'ed it with).

    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    Great looking bike, R. The problem with Bontragers is once you ride one the rest of your bikes will seem ho-hum.
    Rode better than expected yesterday. I need more time on it of course, but I'd say the rest of my bikes are safe.

    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    feels too new for that bike. An XT would fit better.. and then strap a turbo saddle there.
    Flite is technically a year too new on this bike...but I'm not splitting hairs here.
    I'd swap for an XT or better yet a Ritchey/Nitto. A little setback would have been good.
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    Almost bought that bike from him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post

    Flite is technically a year too new on this bike...but I'm not splitting hairs here.
    I'd swap for an XT or better yet a Ritchey/Nitto. A little setback would have been good.
    I vote for an American Classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue View Post
    I vote for an American Classic.
    Yaa, that'd be my first choice too. Last one on ePay went higher than I wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    Almost bought that bike from him.
    Glad you didn't.
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    Factory ss, one of the few 26" bikes I like to ride every now and then. Never mind. I'll get the pic later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Glad you didn't.
    I hate you.
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    I hate you.

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    It's now later, where are the pics? I've attached a photo of mine, so let's see what you've got.

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    Factory ss, one of the few 26" bikes I like to ride every now and then. Never mind. I'll get the pic later.
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    I've got a Bontrager fork that I want to run with a 700c Bontrager frame. It looks like the clamps that hold the brake posts in place are held there with a pop rivet. Has anybody had success moving the posts up the fork legs (or have any recommendations about doing so?).

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    Crown identification update:

    A couple of weeks ago, I asked if anyone could tell whether or not my recently-acquired black Rock Shox crown was truly a reduced-offset Bontrager version. I never got a definitive answer, but have figured some things out that I thought I'd share:

    The specified 1/4" difference in offset, between the standard and Bontrager-specific crowns, is a lot, relatively speaking. So I always assumed (and had read) that it would be easy to see the difference between the two when placed side-by-side. Well, that's not necessarily the case....

    Official Bontrager Thread-img_7193.jpg

    There seem to have been a couple different versions of the forged, bold-on crowns made. (Perhaps they weren't even made by Rock Shox at first?) The following picture from Mr. Orange, which must be of an older one, really had me worried. Note the large flat spot at the base of the steerer tube. The typical, silver Rock Shox versions don't have this. The "black" crowns I've been able to get ahold of looked just like the silver crowns, with no flat spot and definitley don't have a 1/4" different positon for the stancion holes, relative to the steerer tube.

    Official Bontrager Thread-dsc00109-copy.jpg

    I don't know how to measure this accurately or scientifically, but the following photos show what I figured out: The offset difference between the two crowns is accomplished entirely by varying the angle at which the steerer tube inserts into the crown:
    Official Bontrager Thread-img_7189.jpg
    Official Bontrager Thread-img_7192.jpg
    Official Bontrager Thread-img_7191.jpg

    I always assumed that the components of a suspension fork were all parallel to each other and acted on axes that were parallel to the head tube, and that the offset was created by the shape of the crown and dropouts - but I guess that's not the case. The Bontrager crown is actually closer to doing this than the standard crown, though. However, since the axes of the steerer tube and stanction tubes diverge, this means that the longer the fork, the more pronounced the offset reduction will be, compared to a standard crown!

    So the real reason for bringing this up, if I understand the relationship between offset, trail and steering properly, and the implication for those of us who are building "frankenforks" to keep our Bontys alive is this: Unless you plan to stick with 63mm or less travel, the black Bontrager crown might not be the best choice for retaining the bike's factory handling. The offset & steering stabilizing/slowing effect would theoretically be increased beyond 1/4" (relative to a standard crown) with a longer fork (ie: 80mm travel). So for those cases, the typical silver crown might be better.

    I know I'm WAY over-thinking this (and am not a skilled enough rider to notice the difference, probably), but I found it funny that I've spent so much time looking for the black crowns when I might not even prefer them in the end....

    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    Bontragers came with a somewhat steep HTA which make bikes handle quickly. To offset the steepened angle the fork used a reduced offset to stabilize the handling at speed. So the bikes handled quickly at slower speeds, yet weren't too unstable at higher speeds.

    And Sizzler... it's somewhat counter intuitive, but moving the wheel closer to the frame by reducing the fork's offset makes a bike more stable. Conversely, moving the wheel further forward by slackening the head tube angle also makes a bike more stable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babbalanja View Post
    I've got a Bontrager fork that I want to run with a 700c Bontrager frame. It looks like the clamps that hold the brake posts in place are held there with a pop rivet. Has anybody had success moving the posts up the fork legs (or have any recommendations about doing so?).
    They brake bosses are held in place by some seriously powerful epoxy (something like Dupont Scotchweld DP-420 ) in addition to the pop rivet. I bought a pretty beat up pair of the Bonty comps and wanted to breath some new life into them so I removed the brake bosses in order to reanodize them and paint the legs, but I put them right back where they came from. If you want to relocate them check the diameter of the leg higher up where you want them to be positioned and it might work just fine. I used a block of wood on top of the brake boss and a rubber mallet to beat the bosses off the fork. It took some patience, but eventually they slide off the bottom. The fork legs will have some epoxy residue on them so you will most likely have to sand/blast the fork legs to get it off.... which means new paint.

    Anyways, let's see some pictures if you decide to do this.

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    Great pic for showing the difference!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by classen View Post
    They brake bosses are held in place by some seriously powerful epoxy (something like Dupont Scotchweld DP-420 ) in addition to the pop rivet. I bought a pretty beat up pair of the Bonty comps and wanted to breath some new life into them so I removed the brake bosses in order to reanodize them and paint the legs, but I put them right back where they came from. If you want to relocate them check the diameter of the leg higher up where you want them to be positioned and it might work just fine. I used a block of wood on top of the brake boss and a rubber mallet to beat the bosses off the fork. It took some patience, but eventually they slide off the bottom. The fork legs will have some epoxy residue on them so you will most likely have to sand/blast the fork legs to get it off.... which means new paint.

    Anyways, let's see some pictures if you decide to do this.
    .. and then rake for a 26in wheel bike usually is different from cyclocross, road bikes or 29ers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamkeith View Post
    Crown identification update:

    A couple of weeks ago, I asked if anyone could tell whether or not my recently-acquired black Rock Shox crown was truly a reduced-offset Bontrager version. I never got a definitive answer, but have figured some things out that I thought I'd share:

    The specified 1/4" difference in offset, between the standard and Bontrager-specific crowns, is a lot, relatively speaking. So I always assumed (and had read) that it would be easy to see the difference between the two when placed side-by-side. Well, that's not necessarily the case....


    There seem to have been a couple different versions of the forged, bold-on crowns made. (Perhaps they weren't even made by Rock Shox at first?) The following picture from Mr. Orange, which must be of an older one, really had me worried. Note the large flat spot at the base of the steerer tube. The typical, silver Rock Shox versions don't have this. The "black" crowns I've been able to get ahold of looked just like the silver crowns, with no flat spot and definitley don't have a 1/4" different positon for the stancion holes, relative to the steerer tube.

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    I don't know how to measure this accurately or scientifically, but the following photos show what I figured out: The offset difference between the two crowns is accomplished entirely by varying the angle at which the steerer tube inserts into the crown:

    I always assumed that the components of a suspension fork were all parallel to each other and acted on axes that were parallel to the head tube, and that the offset was created by the shape of the crown and dropouts - but I guess that's not the case. The Bontrager crown is actually closer to doing this than the standard crown, though. However, since the axes of the steerer tube and stanction tubes diverge, this means that the longer the fork, the more pronounced the offset reduction will be, compared to a standard crown!

    So the real reason for bringing this up, if I understand the relationship between offset, trail and steering properly, and the implication for those of us who are building "frankenforks" to keep our Bontys alive is this: Unless you plan to stick with 63mm or less travel, the black Bontrager crown might not be the best choice for retaining the bike's factory handling. The offset & steering stabilizing/slowing effect would theoretically be increased beyond 1/4" (relative to a standard crown) with a longer fork (ie: 80mm travel). So for those cases, the typical silver crown might be better.

    I know I'm WAY over-thinking this (and am not a skilled enough rider to notice the difference, probably), but I found it funny that I've spent so much time looking for the black crowns when I might not even prefer them in the end....
    Interesting. So you'd think the Bontrager black crown would look like it was bent from a frontal impact from the side view, but maybe it's so slight that it's not really noticeable. The Judys run parallel to the steerer tube I'm pretty sure. The pre-Judy versions of Rock Shox forks all had stanchions that were off a few degrees from parallel (to get their offset) but in the other direction vs the Bontrager crown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    .. and then rake for a 26in wheel bike usually is different from cyclocross, road bikes or 29ers.
    According to KB, the frame is an OR that one of his employees made into a cx bike by positioning the rear brake mounts higher (and setting the rear dropouts at 130mm). The original frame geometry was 71 HTA and 74 STA.

    He added that the guy used one of their composite forks with the bosses moved to the 700c position. He also said that I could use any 700c cross fork I think as long as it's not too long.

    I may go with a cross fork ultimately, but the switchblade looks so perfect on the frame that it may be worth the trouble to move the brakes. Incidentally, the fork I have has a 5 stamped on the underside of the crown, but I can't recall if that means it's one of the models with the most rake or the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classen View Post
    They brake bosses are held in place by some seriously powerful epoxy (something like Dupont Scotchweld DP-420 ) in addition to the pop rivet. I bought a pretty beat up pair of the Bonty comps and wanted to breath some new life into them so I removed the brake bosses in order to reanodize them and paint the legs, but I put them right back where they came from. If you want to relocate them check the diameter of the leg higher up where you want them to be positioned and it might work just fine. I used a block of wood on top of the brake boss and a rubber mallet to beat the bosses off the fork. It took some patience, but eventually they slide off the bottom. The fork legs will have some epoxy residue on them so you will most likely have to sand/blast the fork legs to get it off.... which means new paint.

    Anyways, let's see some pictures if you decide to do this.
    I met a guy at Tour de Fat a couple of years back who had done it for his GF. He had built her a pretty sweet Bianchi including that fork.

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    what fork did you go with?

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    My Bontrager.

    Back from the dead and converted to full rigid.

    Rides like a dream.

    new forks
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikesite View Post
    Back from the dead and converted to full rigid.

    Rides like a dream.

    new forks
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    can't see it being setup any other way. That's a proper mtn bike.
    Still the best, most worry free, non pedal bob, non brake jack "linkage" system out there.

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    Ok, so I met with my local mechanic today and we have set up a tentative date for this Saturday for the restoration/modification/rebirth of my '96 Bontrager Privateer Comp. All the parts are finally in save the chain, cables and housing. Pictures to follow.

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    Build Base

    Here is the frame, stripped of all parts and ready to be built.

    Build Kit:

    Fork: Kona P2
    Headset: Cane Creek S-2
    Handle Bar: Bontrager Race
    Grips: Ritchey
    Stem: Soma
    Saddle: Specialized BG Tomac
    Seat Post: Bontrager Race
    Crankset and BB: Shimano LX with external BB
    Front D: Shimano XT
    Rear D: Shimano XT
    Shifters: SRAM Rocket 9 speed
    Brake Levers: Cane Creek Direct Curve
    Brakes: Cane Creek Direct Curve
    Pedals: Shimano M520
    Wheelset: Shimano Deore
    Cassette: SRAM 9 speed
    Tires: Specialized Team and Dirt Control
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyOne View Post
    It's now later, where are the pics? I've attached a photo of mine, so let's see what you've got.

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    Really like the drop bar set-up on your Bontrager. I have been thinking about going that route with my OR this past year, but finding the right stem is always the issue. Edit: ignore earlier stupid question as its obviously a clamp-on stem!! Looks great though!

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    Thanks. Yep I had the stem custom made, there's a bit more info here: Link
    I've made a few changes since the original post, but it's still setup with a drop bar and I'm still liking it set up that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N10S View Post
    Really like the drop bar set-up on your Bontrager. I have been thinking about going that route with my OR this past year, but finding the right stem is always the issue. Edit: ignore earlier stupid question as its obviously a clamp-on stem!! Looks great though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyOne View Post
    Thanks. Yep I had the stem custom made, there's a bit more info here: Link
    I've made a few changes since the original post, but it's still setup with a drop bar and I'm still liking it set up that way.

    jw
    Thanks for the link to the other thread. I have been on and off the forums at times and missed that post totally. Great looking set-up with the Pace fork.I bet that bike is pretty light eh? I think your mix of new and old works great and that stem is the deal. I have been out on Rody's site and now realize why that stem looked familiar! I have been thinking about a similar set-up using the new Nitto RM014 handlebar. A Groovy stem with 31.8mm clamp would work perfectly.

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    I have a Bontrager with a 1" head tube and a blown rock shock fork, should I put a rigid fork on it, put an RST Gila on it for $190 or just buy beer and ride the blown fork? Any and all opinions appreciated.

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    I have a Bontrager with a 1" head tube and a blown rock shock fork, should I put a rigid fork on it, put an RST Gila on it for $190 or just buy beer and ride the blown fork? Any and all opinions appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamfatnold View Post
    I have a Bontrager with a 1" head tube and a blown rock shock fork, should I put a rigid fork on it, put an RST Gila on it for $190 or just buy beer and ride the blown fork? Any and all opinions appreciated.
    What model fork? Blown how? I had a 95 Judy XC and swapped out for a Mountainspeed (I think) spring and it works far better now.

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    Sorry for the my ignorance I love this bike but I'm not a real bike person. The fork is a red Rock shock xc. It is the second fork I have put on this bike and it cost over $300. It bottoms out and comes back up immediately. there is oil leaking. I took it to the local bike shop they told me it is"blown" and that the rebuild kit is no longer available. I bought another bike but I still covet the bontrager and would be happy to use it as $1000.00 parts bike (my wife might be pissed) if I could get a decent new fork.

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    there are some shops that could rebuild your RS... hippie tech and others. Just go w/ the bontrager. That's the spirit of this forum.
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    If it is a bolt on crown, send it to shockpital and have them put a 1999-2000 SID legs on it. I did this this with mine and they also put 2008 SID internals in it. I now have a pretty modern fork, with a 1 inch steer tube and up to date performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcurtis View Post
    If it is a bolt on crown, send it to shockpital and have them put a 1999-2000 SID legs on it. I did this this with mine and they also put 2008 SID internals in it. I now have a pretty modern fork, with a 1 inch steer tube and up to date performance.
    What does an operation like that run? I assume that you have to supply both the Judy aNd the SID? If I have a curmudgeonly preference for coil sprung, what is the best option? I had looked into this before but never pulledthe trigger.
    For my next planned build, I have a pretty light, brand new red coil- sprung Judy SL that I want to use with a 98 Privateer frame once it's repainted. I'm not too worried about the rake of a fork of that vintage.
    Who should I get to paint my frame?

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    Also have a 98 Privateer frame with a little cancer bubbling the paint under the end of the wiishbone. Should I leave it as is or peel it and paint it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamfatnold View Post
    Sorry for the my ignorance I love this bike but I'm not a real bike person. The fork is a red Rock shock xc. It is the second fork I have put on this bike and it cost over $300. It bottoms out and comes back up immediately. there is oil leaking. I took it to the local bike shop they told me it is"blown" and that the rebuild kit is no longer available. I bought another bike but I still covet the bontrager and would be happy to use it as $1000.00 parts bike (my wife might be pissed) if I could get a decent new fork.
    I built this one a couple years ago with a brand new 1" threadless White Brothers Magic 80. Give the kids at MRP a call, and they can custom make you a fork with a 1" if you want to go down that route.

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    I'm not sure what the cost was. I did some trading with them. I didn't supply any of the parts, he had everything. I would call them and ask for B. Rose. He was very good to work with.

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    Thanks for all the help I was mourning now I have hope. I took it to a bike shop yesterday and the guy there actually knew enough to identify the bike as a racelite built in Santa Cruz and said the fork is an early version of the SID fork.

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    After many delays, here is the picture I just received from my mechanic. It has been 10 years since this bike was last completely built! I cannot wait to pick it up on Saturday
    I feel like a little kid with Christmas fast approaching!
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    which fork for 1994 Bonty Race?

    I am faced with the classic problem of finding a fork with a 1" steerer to replace the old Mag 21 on my Bonty Race. I have been waiting for a 2001 or 2002 marzocchi z2 atom race 80mm (coil/oil) to show up on ebay in a reasonable color scheme, but am getting impatient! There is a nicely rebuilt 1999 marzocchi superfly z2 (air) available for the same price, but I am hesitant to go with an older air fork with a history of complaints about blown seals and other issues (difficulty accessing air valves, necessity of a extra long allen to adjust rebound).

    The superfly does have a shorter A-C length at 433mm (as opposed to about 450mm for the atom), which would probably be good considering the bike was designed for a fork with a 395mm A-C length. I vary between 180 and 190lbs, which may favor the coil/oil option.

    What do you all think?

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    Keep in mind I have converted the 94 Race to SS, so it is pretty light...putting a 4+ lb coil/oil marzocchi fork on there would make the front end really heavy! I'm not a weight weenie, but this might be another advantage of the superfly (at a little over 3 lbs).

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    I like coil sprung for the low maintenance.

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    Hey folks,
    got my 97 priveteer back which I sold to a friend 10 years ago!



    now I need help to get some decals, wheels, stx rc parts and a fork for it.
    I am serching the web for two weeks now and everywhere I find somethig the ppl want a lot of money for the part. For example a guy offered me some copy decals for 50$.

    So please have a heart for my bike and offer me some stuff I can afford!
    PM TO ME PLZ
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    Is that a picture of the bike in its current condition or an earlier picture taken when you owned it before? Other than the seat it looks pretty clean. If you want decals I think that a guy named gil over on retrobike uk is probably one source that can provide nice bontrager decals. Those will be reproductions too though, and it may be difficult to find any factory original decals.

    Always nice to get one of your old bikes back!

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    It is the current condition, if you have a closer look you see a lot of scratches so I have no choice than repainting it. heard a lot of gil but couldn't find him yet. what do you think about paying 50 bugs on it(silver yellow decals) at least I would have some? Someone else got a new back gear stx rc and I asked him to pay 60 and he said he wants more, I can't belive that someone who has a heart for bikes wants to make money out of someone else who has the same problems. If I could get a good picture (vector grafic) I would make my own decals but with the pictures I found yet it is impossible.

    I am very happy to have it back, I was so sad to sell it but it was a good friend who gave it back to me for free!

    I have a problem getting the seat pole of, tried oils and rust killers and now the frame is filled with coke, hope I get it out. I don't want to use force on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boblike View Post
    Hey folks,
    got my 97 priveteer back which I sold to a friend 10 years ago!

    now I need help to get some decals, wheels, stx rc parts and a fork for it.
    I am serching the web for two weeks now and everywhere I find somethig the ppl want a lot of money for the part. For example a guy offered me some copy decals for 50$.

    So please have a heart for my bike and offer me some stuff I can afford!
    PM TO ME PLZ
    It looks good, tune it up and go ride it!

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    ...well, I guess a new saddle. I saw new Bontrager Inform R saddles on ebay for $20 shipped last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boblike View Post
    It is the current condition, if you have a closer look you see a lot of scratches so I have no choice than repainting it. heard a lot of gil but couldn't find him yet. what do you think about paying 50 bugs on it(silver yellow decals) at least I would have some? Someone else got a new back gear stx rc and I asked him to pay 60 and he said he wants more, I can't belive that someone who has a heart for bikes wants to make money out of someone else who has the same problems. If I could get a good picture (vector grafic) I would make my own decals but with the pictures I found yet it is impossible.

    I am very happy to have it back, I was so sad to sell it but it was a good friend who gave it back to me for free!

    I have a problem getting the seat pole of, tried oils and rust killers and now the frame is filled with coke, hope I get it out. I don't want to use force on it.
    Bum deal on the seatpost, hope you get that cleared up. Here is Gils website, I think it has his contact info listed.

    Wheel Building

    I have had good luck with him in the past. My 91 OR still needs decals and when I get ready to purchase it will be from Gil.

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    Doesn't have to be STX-RC, any eight speed Shimano components will work. For what you are seeing as prices, you should look for Shimano Deore LX or Shimano Deore XT eight speed derailleurs instead. STX-RC was usually original equipment and is kind of the lowest of the better grade Shimano stuff. Eight speed LX or XT are going to be compatible.

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    Bontrager question of the day: I have a set of nos unfinished Bontrager fork blades that are smaller in diameter then any I've ever seen. As I remember the Comp's measured 28.6mm where inserted at the crown and the Race blades measured 25.4mm, these measure 24.0mm. I remember seeing pics of old Bontrager cyclocross forks that had a sleeve mounted at the top of the blades (some form of external butting maybe?) but those had curved blades and mine are straight. Was such a thing ever produced or maybe these were a one-off. DId they never receive the sleeves or was there a crown made small enough to fit them as is?

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    any pictures?

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    Yesh, you have CX legs.

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    From left to right: Comp blade, Race blade, & mystery blade. Other pic hopefully shows space with blade placed in Race crown.
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    I suppose I should throw some recent photos of my '93 Race Light up here, since it's been completely reconfigured. One of these days I'll get around to posting a complete build thread, but these will do for now:






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    Mine, almost two years after I started gathering parts for it. I'll post more when I have her cleaned up.
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    what year is this Bontrager

    Hey guys I am trying to figure out what year my bike was built.I know it is from the eighties but not sure what year. Any ideas or opinions will be greatly apreciated. I need a two part tensioner for head set too. Looking forward to hearing from you. The serial number is 240
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    94-5

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    Hello,

    is it true that I can only use 1" forks for my 97 Privateer.
    Have so many nice old forks, like Manitou XC 700 and one of the first ROND FORKS (before WP or Magura) and there is now way of using them? Do you want to see a grown up man cry!

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange View Post
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    Agreed. What's the serial no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boblike View Post
    Hello,

    is it true that I can only use 1" forks for my 97 Privateer.
    Have so many nice old forks, like Manitou XC 700 and one of the first ROND FORKS (before WP or Magura) and there is now way of using them? Do you want to see a grown up man cry!

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    serial number to bontrager

    Hello I believe the serial number is 240.Thanks for your help

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    We also offer a model for use with 1-1/8" forks and “Evolution”-sized 1-1/4" frames. Again, no shims and no special adaptors here. Devolution™ has the same number of parts as our NoThreadSet™.

    I have a 1" frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Anomie- View Post
    I suppose I should throw some recent photos of my '93 Race Light up here, since it's been completely reconfigured. One of these days I'll get around to posting a complete build thread, but these will do for now:
    Love the build, quite tasty!

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    Anybody have a 1" threadless steerer for a '92 Tange Switchblade they'd be willing to part with?

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    I used to have a pre-trek Bontrager - I found a 96 Privateer cheap recently in my area - sooooo tempted to buy.

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    That one has a pretty good build, Jeff. Wouldn't be a bad pick up.

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    I just picked up that same frame/fork/stem at a bike swap. I asked this question in a different thread but no one seems to look there, so I'll ask it here. Quadra 21r with a black crown, threaded 1" steerer. Same as in the photo above. Is it a Bontrager specific crown?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kdboxerdog View Post
    I just picked up that same frame/fork/stem at a bike swap. I asked this question in a different thread but no one seems to look there, so I'll ask it here. Quadra 21r with a black crown, threaded 1" steerer. Same as in the photo above. Is it a Bontrager specific crown?
    I dont believe it is since it appears to be bonded instead of bolted. You need to get a second opinion however, I'm no athority on those crowns, I've only owned one pair of Bontrager switchblades and no RS Bontrager crowned forks.

    I hear that GOB, its a XT/LX mix...aint she gorgeous, still, I'm having a really hard time justifying it...I really dont need "another" bike.

    Additionally, I'm just starting building my Psyclone (which is my "holy grail") honestly, and logically, my money would be better spent on the build, and I think I would be happier in the end.

    Interesting sort of ironic side story - (how I came to own a Bontrager). Long story short, I bought a sick 3,500.00$ GT Psyclone custom built XTR and all the top shelf race goodies of the day, Cooks bros, Control Tech, Advocet Ti, etc (mid 90's)...had the bike a few weeks, fell in love like never before...OMG, this bike rode as if Thor came down from the sky with his hammer and lighning and custom made this thing to my exact body type - as perfect a fit and better than anything else I've ever ridden, she was ultra light (kept the stock steel fork - to keep weight down), shifting was ultra quick, and smoothe as butter.

    A few weeks after I had her, (the short story) she got destroyed was an accedent. Istead of buying/waiting for a replacement, my impatient a$$ when and bought a Bontrager Race OR w/ the Bontrager fork, the one piece Bontrager bar/stem combo, and a few other goodies. Awsome bike, but ultimatly, the Psyclone stole my heart, and I wish I had waited on the replacement...and here we are, almost 20 years later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffgothro View Post
    I dont believe it is since it appears to be bonded instead of bolted. You need to get a second opinion however, I'm no athority on those crowns, I've only owned one pair of Bontrager switchblades and no RS Bontrager crowned forks.

    I hear that GOB, its a XT/LX mix...aint she gorgeous, still, I'm having a really hard time justifying it...I really dont need "another" bike.

    Additionally, I'm just starting building my Psyclone (which is my "holy grail") honestly, and logically, my money would be better spent on the build, and I think I would be happier in the end.

    Interesting sort of ironic side story - (how I came to own a Bontrager). Long story short, I bought a sick 3,500.00$ GT Psyclone custom built XTR and all the top shelf race goodies of the day, Cooks bros, Control Tech, Advocet Ti, etc (mid 90's)...had the bike a few weeks, fell in love like never before...OMG, this bike rode as if Thor came down from the sky with his hammer and lighning and custom made this thing to my exact body type - as perfect a fit and better than anything else I've ever ridden, she was ultra light (kept the stock steel fork - to keep weight down), shifting was ultra quick, and smoothe as butter.

    A few weeks after I had her, (the short story) she got destroyed was an accedent. Istead of buying/waiting for a replacement, my impatient a$$ when and bought a Bontrager Race OR w/ the Bontrager fork, the one piece Bontrager bar/stem combo, and a few other goodies. Awsome bike, but ultimatly, the Psyclone stole my heart, and I wish I had waited on the replacement...and here we are, almost 20 years later.
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    I looked it up, I cant speel worth a crap...

    ooops spell*

    See.
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    Bontrager Race

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    Bought new old stock and assembled with bits I'd been hoarding. I think it's a 1995. Tried to keep it pretty period correct. It's almost all Shimano Deore XT including the brakes, derailleurs, cranks... went with the LX shifters which had the more compact shape (mimicking later Deore XT v-compatible brake/ lever sets, but canti-compatible) over the bigger Rapidfire Plus Deore XTs. Fork has a Mountain Speed Spring in one leg.

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    1996 privateer bb? 68 or 73 ?

    Just like the title is the 96 privateer a 68 or 73mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellyjk View Post
    Just like the title is the 96 privateer a 68 or 73mm?
    All of the Santa Cruz built bikes are 68mm. I assume that the Privateers (built in Wisconsin) are the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    All of the Santa Cruz built bikes are 68mm. I assume that the Privateers (built in Wisconsin) are the same.
    Oddly enough, I have encountered at last one Privateer bottom bracket in 73mm, pretty sure. Best way to tell is to measure with a ruler / tape measure.

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    I have to post mine here. I abandoned old tech whenever possible:
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    The privateers bb shell is 73 mm.
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    What length BB spindle would I need to run Cook Bros RSR cranks on a 1994 Race Lite?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by classen View Post
    What length BB spindle would I need to run Cook Bros RSR cranks on a 1994 Race Lite?
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    RSRs need a really wide spindle. Depending on the chainline you need, use a 123mm or slightly wider spindle.
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    Man...I have no will power when it comes to buying (and selling) bikes. I just sold and shipped my 1990 Bontrager OR this week and turned around this weekend and stumbled across an extremely clean 1999 Bontrager Privateer S. Some grease on the chainstay but no grindage and the bike came with the TIME ATAC pedals, cateye computer, and lizardskin chainstay guard. Owner has had the bike for over 10 years and ridden the bike very little.

    I went to look at the bike expecting it to be a 96-97 but this is the last of the Bontrager model run with the 1.125" head tube which I think is a cool find especially for the price I paid. The fork is a likely replacement item in the future but that will be an easy find considering its a 1.125 steerer. Anyway just wanted to share the pics.




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    Great find, a lovely bike! Have fun getting her muddy!

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    Cool bike. Beware those first-generation of mass-produced Avid V-Brakes- they are powerful, but in my experience squeal, and the return springs tend to come out of adjustment very often.
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    I am going to use this bike as a baseline for a light 1x9 trail bike. I will keep all of the original parts in a box and change out brakes and levers to xtr, lighter wheelset, lighter post, saddle stem and bars, and a rigid fork of some sort. The bike has some potential but right now its a porker and thats a contradiction considering all of the bontragers I have owned in the past have been reasonably light.That fork alone is around 4.2 lbs and has way too much travel for the bike. I actually have a great old 1" rigid straight blade fork but in this case the size of the head tube doesn't work for me.

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    A friend found this in his garage while cleaning up and bestowed it to me:






    Looks like a Privateer or some mid to late 90s vintage with a missing downtube. It doesn't oven look like the downtube was every welded on .

    If I can find a frame builder that would be willing to fit a downtube, I think this would make a great bike for one of my boys.

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