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    BOTM = bike of the month on a certain retrobike site per chance?

    and hollister that is very very nice, but put some gears on it ;-)
    i've got one inch, who needs more?

    (wanted small or medium 93 or earlier race lite, must have bonded TT cable guides)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 95bonty
    BOTM = bike of the month on a certain retrobike site per chance?

    and hollister that is very very nice, but put some gears on it ;-)
    i'll put gears on it when i find my holy grail.


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    One for the masses

    I'm fairly new to the Vintage Board but regularly visited this here thread. About 2 weeks ago I posted looking for ideas on a fork. My plan was to "pimp" my Bontrager for cyclocross on somewhat of a budget instead of just buying a CX bike (and actually considered selling it to purchase said CX bike ). Well, here it is! I really enjoyed building this and tonight got her out on a long overdue singletrack voyage. Kind of felt light hooking up with an old friend. I forget how fricken fast this bike is. Should be good for the CX season. Enjoy the pics!

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    here's my Race Lite set up for 'cross. Worked quite well but got tired of switching bits around on my mountain bike each cross race so I've got a dedicated 'cross rig for this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTM
    here's my Race Lite set up for 'cross. Worked quite well but got tired of switching bits around on my mountain bike each cross race so I've got a dedicated 'cross rig for this season.

    is there a 700c wheel upfront? if i had a bontrager i would turn it into a 69er.
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    is there a 700c wheel upfront? if i had a bontrager i would turn it into a 69er.
    front and back, I was racing fixed so no rear brake needed, but you could run Paul's Moto-Lite V brake in back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    if i had a bontrager i would turn it into a 69er.


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    Pink, that hawt!

    How does it feel on the run-ups? I was having difficulties getting my Race Lite up and on my shoulder last night while practicing. Seems the triangle's a little too small. Of course, I also had a 15 pound camel back on as well.
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    New question here. a couple of questions...

    until i saw the 2-piece seatstays i thought i was looking at my '96 privateer, which has the same color and graphics ('cept for the addition of the band around the seattube which says "privateer comp").

    so i assume those aren't the original decals?

    along those lines, i thought that the race/racelites w/ the segmented stays all had the older square-panel decals-- is this true, or did some get the later chevron style?



    (guess i don't have any photos handy from before i removed most of the decals, but you can kinda see where they were):

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotdirt
    until i saw the 2-piece seatstays i thought i was looking at my '96 privateer, which has the same color and graphics ('cept for the addition of the band around the seattube which says "privateer comp").

    so i assume those aren't the original decals?

    along those lines, i thought that the race/racelites w/ the segmented stays all had the older square-panel decals-- is this true, or did some get the later chevron style?



    We stopped using the 2 pc seat stays in late '94 or early '95. I am not sure when they stopped using the square decals, but I am sure it was before I started working there in '94.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTM
    I was racing fixed
    funny, both bonty track bikes i know of are pink.



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    The yellow was my third set (ordered in '98-99?). As far as I can remember, the origial blue decals were identical.

    Quote Originally Posted by gotdirt
    until i saw the 2-piece seatstays i thought i was looking at my '96 privateer, which has the same color and graphics ('cept for the addition of the band around the seattube which says "privateer comp").

    so i assume those aren't the original decals?

    along those lines, i thought that the race/racelites w/ the segmented stays all had the older square-panel decals-- is this true, or did some get the later chevron style?



    (guess i don't have any photos handy from before i removed most of the decals, but you can kinda see where they were):

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    Quote Originally Posted by obionespeedonly
    Some people are still keeping their Bonty's rolling and I keep getting asked for this...


    Here's the link to the Bontrager PDF catalog:

    http://www.mtb-kataloge.de/html/bontrager.html


    Enjoy everyone.

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    That's sweet, but is there one in English? (The last one, I mean)
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    By the way, does anyone know if Keith keeps a weblog somewhere? He seems to be a good writer / communicator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    By the way, does anyone know if Keith keeps a weblog somewhere? He seems to be a good writer / communicator.
    Years ago he had a "rants" section on bontrager.com that was the pre-blog equivalent of a blog. I'm not aware of any place where he's doing this type of things any more.
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    He posts occasional diaries of racing exploits on cyclingnews.com, but it has less of the technical stuff than the old rants - presumably so it doesn't look too much like an advert

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    I was doing my day job of moving pianos, and one of my customers had this bike in his garage. I asked him about it, and it was obvious he didn't know much about Bontrager.

    Turns out that the bike belonged to a high school classmate of mine, who gave it to the current owner when he upgraded a few years ago. I told him that if he decides to unload it, to call me.

    It's really light, feels about like my P-21. The former owner changed from Shimano shifters to GripShift.
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    I just put my race lite up for sale http://classifieds.mtbr.com/showprod...ct=13069&cat=4 the photo's didn't post up...
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    For those who don't know I'm the HRS / Rock Lobster Cyclo-Cross team Mechanic and I've been working for Paul Sadoff / Rock Lobster Cycles on Mondays.

    I was helping Paul clean up the shop today and found a box of Bontrager Anti-Chain suck devices he picked up when he bought all the old Bonty tubing from the Santa-Cruz plant...

    Need an original one? We got it, $15+ shipping. Call Paul or e-mail/Private Message me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rye

    Need an original one? We got it, $15+ shipping. Call Paul or e-mail/Private Message me.

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    I have been told from Trek that there are no more Bontrager decals to be had from them. I'm trying to have some made, but it's kind of expensive to get decent ones due to minimum quantity requirements. Do any of you guys want to maybe pick up a set for your own restoration and help to defray the cost? I'm not sure what it's going to cost yet exactly... I'm having them done at a professional shop and I'm still deciding what color to do. I'm thinking to get just a set of white lettering with black outline and white darts at the ends on a clear background, but I might do silver lettering and black outline on a white outline... pm me if you're interested. I have to do the whole batch in one color, and they won't be pre-cut, but other than that they should be pretty nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    I have been told from Trek that there are no more Bontrager decals to be had from them. I'm trying to have some made, but it's kind of expensive to get decent ones due to minimum quantity requirements. Do any of you guys want to maybe pick up a set for your own restoration and help to defray the cost? I'm not sure what it's going to cost yet exactly... I'm having them done at a professional shop and I'm still deciding what color to do. I'm thinking to get just a set of white lettering with black outline and white darts at the ends on a clear background, but I might do silver lettering and black outline on a white outline... pm me if you're interested. I have to do the whole batch in one color, and they won't be pre-cut, but other than that they should be pretty nice.

    Try contacting Gary Prange of Screen Specialty Shop in North Carolina. He did the Bontrager decals in the past and may have more. The caveat is that he genially only sells them to professional painters for restorations to insure that "counterfeit" bikes aren't being made by applying the decals.

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    Bontrager Restoration Project

    This is a project that I have been wanting to do since I got the bike in 97-98. This is a 1996 Bontrager Privateer Comp (Pre-Trek).It was a full XT build and back in the day ran $1699.00. I received the Frame,Fork and Seat Post from the Bontrager rep. Since the time I got it the paint poped off the chain stays and other places on the frame.

    Back in the summer I got the interest to do something with the bike other then hanging on the wall. So I needed to pull all the parts off the bike and find someone to paint the bike. I saw a post on the forum from berrieram of her new painted ride. I made contact with Vince and we where on our way with this project.

    I could not find any Bontrager decals for this bike and I tried two online bike decal companies. One did not provide the service and the other would never email or call me back. If you do a project like this PM me and I will let you know who they where so you don't waste your time with them. But I did find a sign shop down at FT Pickett where I work that could do the work and It took about a week to get it done. Learning point number one. Better to take the bike to the sign shop first so they can get all the sizing correct, my mistake.

    I just received the bike back from Vince yesterday and what a great job The paint job is better looking than when I got the frame brand new. The red stripes are hand painted and what a great job. Here is a link that shows the bike in its different stages http://vincecarman.com/frame6/. The pictures will not open up to a full view, Vince will be updating the link and I will post the new one so you can see the picyures better.

    I will keep updating this post until The project is done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikewright
    This is a project that I have been wanting to do since I got the bike in 97-98. This is a 1996 Bontrager Privateer Comp (Pre-Trek).It was a full XT build and back in the day ran $1699.00.
    enjoy it...

    one point of clarification-- by definition the privateer line is post-trek, as the waterloo production facility allowed KB to offer this frame at that pricepoint.

    (and fwiw, yours was a tad cheaper than mine-- if memory serves, i paid $1800 for mine in NYC).

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    I have an orange Bontrager Race that I love, but I've always liked the cherry red color more but could never find one back in 1998 so I settled on the orange.

    Now I'm thinking of getting my bike powercoated cherry red, exactly like Keith had it.

    Question: I know nothing about paint jobs, will the powercoating shop I take it to know how to match the original cherry red color? Is there a specific paint or shade that Bontgrager used back then?

    Thanks for any input.

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    and so it begins
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    That's a unique seatpost binder setup. And are the gussets non-standard too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux
    That's a unique seatpost binder setup. And are the gussets non-standard too?
    head tube gussets lack the cutout along the edges. monostay is capped

    seller says he worked at the factory, explained that the seatpost binder was done as a result of worries about muddy conditions(faces front)
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    Congrats, I know you have been looking for a looooong time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike A
    Congrats, I know you have been looking for a looooong time.
    understatement

    and thanks

    now, who's got a silver no logo...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    understatement

    and thanks

    now, who's got a silver no logo...
    and you've got a classy grey. timeless. bonty fork? m900 cranks? salsa stem stem? suntour post? phil wood wheels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux
    That's a unique seatpost binder setup. And are the gussets non-standard too?
    it's clearly a fake...






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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    and you've got a classy grey. timeless. bonty fork? m900 cranks? salsa stem stem? suntour post? phil wood wheels?

    Sounds like a perfect start there. Glad you finally landed one, Hollister.

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    I realized I havent posted my Bonty to the Official Bonty thread,
    so here we go A '93/'94 Race Lite, all M900 XTR/ Nukeproof
    SuperFly Hubs/ Sun CR18 rims, I've swapped out the stem for
    a Salsa since these pics. This is a rider and I'm very pleased,
    not whippy at all.







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    Quote Originally Posted by kb11
    I realized I havent posted my Bonty to the Official Bonty thread,
    so here we go A '93/'94 Race Lite, all M900 XTR/ Nukeproof
    SuperFly Hubs/ Sun CR18 rims, I've swapped out the stem for
    a Salsa since these pics. This is a rider and I'm very pleased,
    not whippy at all.







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    nice steerer tube! and a sweet looking bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    understatement

    and thanks

    now, who's got a silver no logo...

    I do.
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    Even though I posted a big thread of my own about the restoration on this, I guess I should add it to the "official" thread...to make it official? '93 Race Light, newly painted and re-built this spring, details can be found here: https://forums.mtbr.com/vintage-retro-classic/un-veiling-my-bontrager-restoration-complete-392929.html




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    My first. 92 Race?
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    The finished Project

    Just finished my project bike. Going to take it on a 50 mile ride on the C&O Canal this weekend. Here is the list of the set-up and pic's

    96 Bontrager Privateer Comp frame 18"
    Paint by Vince
    Decals by sign shop at FT. Pickett
    Face & chase of the BB and headtube-CED
    Crank- old Bontrager 8 speed
    Chain Stay- Carbon IRD
    Front D- Old top pull XT
    Rear D- Old 9.0 ESP 8 speed
    Wheels- Cane Creek Used
    Front Fork- Custom steel Waltworks
    Headset- 1"Black Chris King
    Stem- 1" Kelly
    Bar- Ritchey WCS Raiser
    Brakes- Avid 7's with FR 5 Levers
    Shifters- NOS 9.0 ESP 8 speed
    Grips- WTB Dual Compound
    Housing- Jagwire Black
    Seat Clamp- Salsa Black
    Seat Post- Thompson
    Saddle- NOS WTB SSK
    Chain- Sram 8 speed
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    My humble addition...

    Well, I finally go my '96 Privateer back together. I have been riding it a lot lately. THought I needed to finally get some pics up...What do ya think I should do with this thing? Definitely needs a paint job, though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by M_2
    Well, I finally go my '96 Privateer back together. I have been riding it a lot lately. THought I needed to finally get some pics up...What do ya think I should do with this thing? Definitely needs a paint job, though...

    Don't paint it, keep riding it.

    Good for you for going full rigid!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury

    beauty. as always.

    now somebody (coughhollistercough) needs to show us a recent Santa Cruz built acquisition...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed

    now somebody (coughhollistercough) needs to show us a recent Santa Cruz built acquisition...
    still waiting on a tracking #

    (word travels fast on the VRC underground)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    still waiting on a tracking #

    (word travels fast on the VRC underground)

    hey, this will be your first complete vintage bike?

    Shipping? I think that guy is pretty close to you. Or at least he used to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    hey, this will be your first complete vintage bike?

    Shipping? I think that guy is pretty close to you. Or at least he used to be.
    don't worry

    I'm also getting another project, to maintain the balance of the force
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    Race Lite

    Here's my '96 Race Lite. She's stripped at the moment awaiting a new coat of paint but should be up and running again soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haggis1978
    Here's my '96 Race Lite. She's stripped at the moment awaiting a new coat of paint but should be up and running again soon.
    Holy seatpost Batman!

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    Bontrager Ti Lite, Pimped

    I finally finished this build. It's all back to 8 speed but I did make some upgrades (wheels). Other than that, though, it's all the NOS I've been collecting over the past few years.

    Frame: Bontrager Ti Lite
    Fork: '98 SID - Hippie Tech full rebuild - the plushest 63mm ever. . .
    Rims: Mavic 821
    Hubs: Chris King
    Quick Release: Salsa
    Tires: Hutchinson Python
    Pedals: Time Ti
    Crank: Cook Bros. F
    Chain: Wipperman 8 Speed
    Chainrings: Moonhead Machine Works (RIP)
    Rear Cogs: XTR 8 Speed
    Bottom Bracket: Square
    Front Derailleur: XTR
    Rear Derailleur: Paul
    Shifters: XTR 8 speed
    Handlebars: Bontrager Crow Bar Ti
    Grips: Pedros Dice Vice
    Stem: Moots 100mm
    Headset: Chris King
    Brake set: XTR
    Brake levers: XTR
    Saddle: Selle Italia
    Seat Post: Syncros Ti
    Seat Post Clamp: Salsa
    Paint: Raw (Brushed) Ti
    Size: L
    Serial #: Yes
    Place of Origin: Washington State to Santa Cruz as I recall. . . .
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    I have no pics, but mine was deep dark purple, with silver panel stickers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by floibex















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    That is gorgeous Flo. Great use of colour and I bet it's a treat to ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexk
    That is gorgeous Flo. Great use of colour and I bet it's a treat to ride.
    thanks alex yes, its a great ride. brought memories back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    funny, both bonty track bikes i know of are pink.
    The only one I know of is (was) black. It belonged to Brian Whitcomb who rode professionally on the track back in the mid-90's, but I have no idea what he's up to now, or where this bike is. It's kind of hard to see in this photo, but it's the only one I have of his Bonty track bike. I took this photo at the Northbrook, Illinois velodrome back in 1994:

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    Hi Guys,
    Here are a couple of bad shots of my "92 OR Lite. I bought it new in "92 and spoke directly with Keith when I made the order. Originally had it built up with a Manitou fork, Suntour XC Pro Grease Guard components, Sram Grip Shift and Nuke Proof Hubs. I've since changed out the Manitou for a Marzocchi and upgraded the drive train and rear wheel to Sram rear mech and Mavic Cross Max UST Wheel. Only a couple of blemishes on it. A small ding on one of the seat stays from towing the kids in a Burley trailer and a scratch on the top tube that needs to be sanded and touched up. Could use some new decals too.





    Also, anybody know where the serial number is on one of these. I looked the other night and couldn't find it. I did find all of the original paperwork and receipt. Funny, the Manitou fork was only a $35 upgrade.

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    Here's my 1994 Medium Race w/1997 Marzocchi Z2 fork (65mm travel)



    The bike now has XTR M900 cranks on it.

    Marzocchi still has parts for these old forks -- I bought this one via Ebay and sent it to them in Valencia, CA where they replaced the seals.

    I wanted one of these bikes for a LONG time... I had the pleasure of interviewing at Bontrager Cycles in early fall of 1994. I slept on KB's couch for a weekend and basically hung out at the shop, went riding, and ate Mexican food the whole time. Best job interview I ever had, even if I didn't get the job in the end! I found this frame on the local CL in 1999 for $200 and snapped it up.

    Now I'm looking for a Large Race or Privateer frame...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimgskoop
    Here's my 1994 Medium Race w/1997 Marzocchi Z2 fork (65mm travel)

    The bike now has XTR M900 cranks on it.

    Marzocchi still has parts for these old forks -- I bought this one via Ebay and sent it to them in Valencia, CA where they replaced the seals.

    I wanted one of these bikes for a LONG time... I had the pleasure of interviewing at Bontrager Cycles in early fall of 1994. I slept on KB's couch for a weekend and basically hung out at the shop, went riding, and ate Mexican food the whole time. Best job interview I ever had, even if I didn't get the job in the end! I found this frame on the local CL in 1999 for $200 and snapped it up.

    Now I'm looking for a Large Race or Privateer frame...

    Great story, neat bike.
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    Anybody care to take a guess at what the deal with this frame on Ebay is?!? Seller claims it's a NOS Race Lite, and while it does appear to be an XL Race Lite, there's only one set of water-bottle cage bolts (and those are missing the threaded inserts), plus the paint and decals are wrong (looks like BMX decals?). Is it maybe a Nontrager?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimgskoop
    Anybody care to take a guess at what the deal with this frame on Ebay is?!? Seller claims it's a NOS Race Lite, and while it does appear to be an XL Race Lite, there's only one set of water-bottle cage bolts (and those are missing the threaded inserts), plus the paint and decals are wrong (looks like BMX decals?). Is it maybe a Nontrager?

    For what its worth, I've dealt with that seller a couple times in the last few months, and he does not see to be the type to intentionally misrepresent an item.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimgskoop
    Anybody care to take a guess at what the deal with this frame on Ebay is?!? Seller claims it's a NOS Race Lite, and while it does appear to be an XL Race Lite, there's only one set of water-bottle cage bolts (and those are missing the threaded inserts), plus the paint and decals are wrong (looks like BMX decals?). Is it maybe a Nontrager?
    Pretty sure it's not a Nontrager, Paul would never let anything roll out of his shop that wasn't completed. When the Bontrager shop closed up there were probably lots of frames sitting around in various stages of completion. My bet would be this is one of those frames.

    I like the green color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimgskoop
    Anybody care to take a guess at what the deal with this frame on Ebay is?!? Seller claims it's a NOS Race Lite, and while it does appear to be an XL Race Lite, there's only one set of water-bottle cage bolts (and those are missing the threaded inserts), plus the paint and decals are wrong (looks like BMX decals?). Is it maybe a Nontrager?
    I've met that seller in person and he is genuinely a stand up guy.

    I'm not all that surprised that a Bontrager would slip out of the shop with some unfinished details. Could be a later SC frame and they rushed it. One that was left over that got different paint and whatever decals were close.
    It could even be a respray for all we know.

    No shortage of Bontrager anomalies out there.
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    What rumpfy and muddybuddy said......I've bought a few things from the seller; great to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    I've met that seller in person and he is genuinely a stand up guy.

    I'm not all that surprised that a Bontrager would slip out of the shop with some unfinished details. Could be a later SC frame and they rushed it. One that was left over that got different paint and whatever decals were close.
    It could even be a respray for all we know.

    No shortage of Bontrager anomalies out there.
    Absolutely. I have one that came out of the shop after production had finished. It has a one-off paint and came without bottle mounts as well. The story I heard was that the some employees that were let go were sent off with free frames. Some of these got one-off paint jobs. I gathered it wasn't really an official thing, just something one of the welders and the paint guy put together.

    I bought mine around this time at a used bike shop in SC. I heard the story from the guy who ran the shop but it was confirmed by a Bontrager employee when I went by and asked if I could get bottle mounts.

    Still, could be a respray, ask for photos that would confirm whether a BB or HS has been installed. Could confirm a respray.

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cactus Jack
    What rumpfy and muddybuddy said......I've bought a few things from the seller; great to deal with.

    Good to know. Just for the record, I didn't mean to imply that I was questioning the integrity of the seller -- that's definitely a Bontrager frame, IMHO -- just wondering about the story behind the bike, in light of the unusual paint and the incomplete bottle cage mount.

    Sounds like it may very well be one of the "closing-shop" frames!

    Thanks for the insights!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy

    No shortage of Bontrager anomalies out there.
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    The fact that it has one piece seat stays leads me to believe it's at a post-Trek frame, and probably one of the last ones based on what others have said above. Still nice, and my size...

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    here is my old faithful
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    Quote Originally Posted by beewee
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    Nice -- what fork is that?

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    Check out this nice Bontrager 69er hack!


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimgskoop
    Nice -- what fork is that?
    I had Curtis Inglis (Retrotec) make me a "Bontrager" specific 1" threadless fork for it.

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    The age-old Bonty fork question

    Hi all,
    Just discovered this forum. Nice to "meet" other Bonty fans. I'm in the process of replacing the Judy on my Race Lite. I'm considering a White Brothers Magic 80 with a custom a/c to match the fork-to-crown length on the Judy. However, needless to say the fork doesn't match the Bontrager 1.25 (32mm) rake. It has 36mm rake (offset). I know I'm not the first to face this dilemma, so can someone weigh in on how (or if) the handling is changed when increasing the off-set? Should I worry about 4mm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredlf
    Hi all,
    Just discovered this forum. Nice to "meet" other Bonty fans. I'm in the process of replacing the Judy on my Race Lite. I'm considering a White Brothers Magic 80 with a custom a/c to match the fork-to-crown length on the Judy. However, needless to say the fork doesn't match the Bontrager 1.25 (32mm) rake. It has 36mm rake (offset). I know I'm not the first to face this dilemma, so can someone weigh in on how (or if) the handling is changed when increasing the off-set? Should I worry about 4mm?
    cheers,
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    4mm is virtually nothing -- I wouldn't worry about it.

    Are you able to get the White Bros fork with a 1-inch steerer?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimgskoop
    4mm is virtually nothing -- I wouldn't worry about it.

    Are you able to get the White Bros fork with a 1-inch steerer?!?
    Yes I am! It has to be custom directly through White Bros. so you have to pay full (!) retail plus an extra $50 for the custom work. I guess I'm going to go for it. Anyone wanna buy a blown Judy with the Bonty 1.25 crown?

    Thanks for the answer. I suspected as much, but I'm so nervous about changing the ride of this bike. It just feels so damn right. I swear on good days it feels like the bike just disappears beneath me and I'm just floating through the woods. On bad days, it doesn't matter what I ride...

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    PM'd you.

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    Bikes are still going, got a small rust hole in the back of the races seat tube. Don't think it is an issue and have cleaned it to stop it getting worse, mud had come down the easton seatpost and collected on the bottle cage mount bolt.

    got a set of Englund cartridge Black Crown Judies and a set of original silver on white stickers. Just got to figure out what to do with them. Ithink the race(red one) needs a repaint as it is looking tired.

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    Vintage Bontrager Race for sale

    I have four Bontragers for sale. Call me at 831-435-9376. I also have Bontrager B-dot stickers,complete frame sticker kits and Lapel pins. Go here to have a look

    http://classifieds.mtbr.com/showprod...=27680&cat=500

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    Smile Bontrager info needed

    I'm new here and see that there are a number of Bontrager people that are familiar with some of the earlier Bontrager OR bikes.
    I have a picture of the bike and since I am not familiar with this forum, I hope I have attached them properly. I have had this bike for a couple years, I have not ridden it on trails, mostly street riding and it is in excellent condition. I'm interested in knowing where I'd find the serial number, I've looked in the usual places and there is nothing. I'd love to know when it might have been fabricated. Any one know anything about this bike?

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    Thanks for the help.
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    Heh. Just saw that one on Ebay earlier today. The serial number should be stamped on the inside of the left rear dropout. Look for a four-digit number.

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    You're right, it is on eBay! What do you think it is worth? Beginning to think it was built in 1990. I saw a few pages back a copy of a sales brochure that that describes my bike to a "T". Beginning to think I better not let it go, at least not now.

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    Your bike is a 1993 or 1994, based on what frame details I can make out, and the components (e.g., that black LX derailleur was produced starting in 1993, I think).

    What's it worth? That's a tough one, since the bike is an XS -- it's either going to be too small for most, or just the right size for one lucky person!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RagaMuffin
    You're right, it is on eBay! What do you think it is worth? Beginning to think it was built in 1990. I saw a few pages back a copy of a sales brochure that that describes my bike to a "T". Beginning to think I better not let it go, at least not now.

    Please read the stickys at the top of this forum.


    IMO, it won't sell for much.
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    Ok, I'm new here, different type of board for me, what did I do wrong please?


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    Quote Originally Posted by RagaMuffin
    Ok, I'm new here, different type of board for me, what did I do wrong please?

    To put it simply, it is generally frowned upon to ask the value of something you intend to sell. Especially an item that is currently listed on ebay. It basically comes of looking like you are calling attention to your ad which is against forum rules, unless you pay for a classified ad on the forum.

    The reason your bike will probably not sell for much, is that mid 90s Bontys dont seem to make big money to begin with, and the very small size means that it would fit few adults and it will probably be too expensive and too large to be a kid's bike.
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    That was not my intention to draw attention to a possible sale. I was instead directed to this web site by a buyer on eBay who thought this bike might be indeed of more value than I realized which means that I would instead, keep the bike for my son's future use.

    Thank you for that info though, I will remember it.
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    What the heck is going on with that stem?

    Bontragers are simply not made anymore. The one you have will be a total "find" for someone small. Keep it, as it will only go up in value, but it's not going to make you Daddy Warbucks. But, it will make one heck of a bike for your son!

    Since you are here, look at the Official Bontrager thread. That will give you an education of sorts on the bike. Yours looks like a pre-trek california version, more desirable than the trek "privateers". if it's a race -lite version, it's even more so. Look to see if the head tube is machined, indicating a "lite" model.

    The parts on your bike are not top shelf, but that frame is nice!

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    Thanks for that info, I have to figure out how to tell if it is machined or not, I'll let you know.
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    Who knows? If you get a couple VRC midgets in a bidding war you might make out pretty well.
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    serial # help please

    I have a Bonty frame with the serial # 9481, stamped on the rear dropouts,,,,,,,,,,any ideas on what year it might be? i'll try to post a few fotos soon
    thanks

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    Serial numbers don't mean much on Bontragers.
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    1993 Race Lite. It was originally built with a nice selection of 90's parts...full M737 XT, Bontrager fork, original Bontrager stem and seat post, Syncros cranks, etc, etc. I worked in a bike shop in college and bought all the cool stuff I could afford. I was an idiot and sold off most of that stuff along with 3 more sets of 7spd XT thumbies, a couple sets of barely used XT cranks, a couple sets of XT cantis, a bunch of XT 7spd cassettes, another Race Lite frame, 2 bontrager forks, etc. I sold a big box of killer parts a few years ago when I got out of cycling and focused on family and work. It was the right choice at the time, but I wish I had kept all that stuff! Fortunately I kept this frame and a few parts! The plan is to sell of the newer stuff...mostly M950/952 XTR, Thompson, etc and build it back with early 90's XT/XTR.

    Here it is today:

    93 Race Lite 2.JPG

    Here are the wheels that are going back on it. Fortunately I kept these! I laced up a set of M737 XT hubs to an original set of Bontrager/Weinmann BXC red and blue dot rims and American Classic old skewers. Still nice and true after all these years.

    Orig Bonti XT Wheels.JPG

    And yes, I know my top tube decal is backwards!
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    [QUOTE=pint]1993 Race Lite. It was originally built with a nice selection of 90's parts...full M737 XT, Bontrager fork, original Bontrager stem and seat post, Syncros cranks, etc, etc. I worked in a bike shop in college and bought all the cool stuff I could afford. I was an idiot and sold off most of that stuff along with 3 more sets of 7spd XT thumbies, a couple sets of barely used XT cranks, a couple sets of XT cantis, a bunch of XT 7spd cassettes, another Race Lite frame, 2 bontrager forks, etc. I sold a big box of killer parts a few years ago when I got out of cycling and focused on family and work. It was the right choice at the time, but I wish I had kept all that stuff! Fortunately I kept this frame and a few parts! The plan is to sell of the newer stuff...mostly M950/952 XTR, Thompson, etc and build it back with early 90's XT/XTR.

    Thats gonna be alot of fun. I actually still ride that Marzocchi on one of my bonti's and I find that they are much better than forks from other manufacturers that were on the market at the time.
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    Hey Pint, I have the same frame. At least in a medium, same wheels too. Amazing how well they have held up after all these years.

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    Do you happen to know exactly how old this frame is? Was yours purchased as a complete bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RagaMuffin
    Do you happen to know exactly how old this frame is? Was yours purchased as a complete bike?
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    Mine was around a 1996. It came with a complete XT group and a Judy. The Judy has the black Bontrager crown. The seatpost and stem were Bontrager house brand. Bontrager / San-Marco saddle. Bontrager grips and bar ends.

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    If you go back to page 7 there is a brochure from 1990 which show my bike exactly. I was thrilled to find that. Mine had been in a box for a number of years and was then given to me unassembled. I had it assembled and rode it on the street for a short time. It is a great bike but I'm realizing I am not able to ride the rough trails any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RagaMuffin
    If you go back to page 7 there is a brochure from 1990 which show my bike exactly. I was thrilled to find that.
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    Nope, yours is newer than a 1990...and it is a race lite (able to see the scalloped tubing on the headtube on your pictures on eBay)

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    What makes you say it is newer? Just curious since the brochure has the same bike appearance, components as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RagaMuffin
    What makes you say it is newer? Just curious since the brochure has the same bike appearance, components as well.
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    Thank you, that was very helpful. Mine is indeed, according to your pictures, either a Race or Race Lite. Interesting how it has the OR on the decal though. Still is a very nice frame and is excellent condition, no scratches or gouges and decals are perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RagaMuffin
    Still is a very nice frame and is excellent condition, no scratches or gouges and decals are perfect.
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    Mediocre parts, awkward build.
    But if you find a short Bontrager lover, you've got a chance. Almost better off selling as a frame/fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pint
    1993 Race Lite. It was originally built with a nice selection of 90's parts...full M737 XT, Bontrager fork, original Bontrager stem and seat post, Syncros cranks, etc, etc. I worked in a bike shop in college and bought all the cool stuff I could afford. I was an idiot and sold off most of that stuff along with 3 more sets of 7spd XT thumbies, a couple sets of barely used XT cranks, a couple sets of XT cantis, a bunch of XT 7spd cassettes, another Race Lite frame, 2 bontrager forks, etc. I sold a big box of killer parts a few years ago when I got out of cycling and focused on family and work. It was the right choice at the time, but I wish I had kept all that stuff! Fortunately I kept this frame and a few parts! The plan is to sell of the newer stuff...mostly M950/952 XTR, Thompson, etc and build it back with early 90's XT/XTR.

    Here it is today:

    93 Race Lite 2.JPG

    Here are the wheels that are going back on it. Fortunately I kept these! I laced up a set of M737 XT hubs to an original set of Bontrager/Weinmann BXC red and blue dot rims and American Classic old skewers. Still nice and true after all these years.

    Orig Bonti XT Wheels.JPG
    Soooo, I'am curious. I never knew Thomson made a 1" threadless stem. What size/rise is it? Whaddaya want for it? Selling the fork too? Disc tabs? How much? Sweet frame btw. Mines beat to hell! I think mines prettier!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65
    Soooo, I'am curious. I never knew Thomson made a 1" threadless stem. What size/rise is it? Whaddaya want for it? Selling the fork too? Disc tabs? How much? Sweet frame btw. Mines beat to hell! I think mines prettier!

    Take it off line or to PM's. No 'for sale' spam or propositioning in the forums please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65
    Soooo, I'am curious. I never knew Thomson made a 1" threadless stem. What size/rise is it? Whaddaya want for it? Selling the fork too? Disc tabs? How much? Sweet frame btw. Mines beat to hell! I think mines prettier!
    Probably using a shim to allow the the 1" steerer to be used with a 1 & 1/8" stem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexk
    Probably using a shim to allow the the 1" steerer to be used with a 1 & 1/8" stem.
    You're probably right. Didn't think of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65
    You're probably right. Didn't think of that.
    Yes, using a shim. Hopefully I won't be once I find an old Bontrager stem!

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    The rebuild of my 93 Race lite is nearing completion. Just waiting on a 26.8 seatpost. Is it "acceptable" to use the Marzocchi Bomber? Will probably go back to a Bontrager rigid eventually, but I really like this fork. Not sure of the exact year, but I'm pretty sure it's close to period correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pint
    The rebuild of my 93 Race lite is nearing completion. Just waiting on a 26.8 seatpost. Is it "acceptable" to use the Marzocchi Bomber? Will probably go back to a Bontrager rigid eventually, but I really like this fork. Not sure of the exact year, but I'm pretty sure it's close to period correct?
    I think a Bomber will make that a great ride, and isn't that what it's all about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pint
    The rebuild of my 93 Race lite is nearing completion. Just waiting on a 26.8 seatpost. Is it "acceptable" to use the Marzocchi Bomber? Will probably go back to a Bontrager rigid eventually, but I really like this fork. Not sure of the exact year, but I'm pretty sure it's close to period correct?
    Please post photos when you're done -- I picked up a '93 Race Lite earlier this year (haven't built it up yet, the frame needs some TLC first) and would love to compare notes.

    I use a 1997 Bomber on my Race and it works great. I specifically chose the 1997 year because it "only" has 65mm of travel, which is what the Bontrager frames were designed for. I think 1998 Bombers had 70mm of travel, and after that they moved to 80mm. I'm not 100% positive on that though, I'd have to dig through the old owners manuals to check the specs. But many folks use later-year Bombers on their Bontys, and just set up the fork with a bit more sag to preserve the front-end geometry.

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    Just found this Thread! OMG! Brings back sweet memories, but more importantly can my 1990 frame w/ a cracked seat tube be resurrected? After 10,000 miles of riding it broke in 2000 but I never had the heart to throw the old girl out. Sleeping in the attic w/ the original Rockshox w/ Keith's custom crown. Might have to replace the chainstays too! Rode through alotta wet NE winters. Man that bike went through so many funky parts! Paragon Ti BB, IRDs, Westpines, even had an 8-speed cog cobbled together in 91' (wheel promptly disintegrated on the first big downhill). Stuck with the original fork though. Sorry, sniff, nostalgia is creeping in. Maybe I shoud just stick it over the mantle

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    I'd give Rock Lobster a call: http://www.rocklobstercycles.com/contact.php

    Paul Sadoff acquired much of the left-over tubing from Keith Bontrager when they closed the Santa Cruz shop, and he may still have some original stock to fix your's with. That was a long time ago, so it's a long shot, but it can't hurt to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Anomie-
    I'd give Rock Lobster a call: http://www.rocklobstercycles.com/contact.php

    Paul Sadoff acquired much of the left-over tubing from Keith Bontrager when they closed the Santa Cruz shop, and he may still have some original stock to fix your's with. That was a long time ago, so it's a long shot, but it can't hurt to ask.
    Beat me to it Anomie. I was going to suggest the same thing, I recently purchased one of Paul Sadoff's olld Nontrager frames which was made out of a Bontrager tubed front triangle and a rear end of his own making welded together. I brought it down to his shop to appease his curiosity as he likes to see his ol' handiwork. The first thing he did is look over the the junction where the seattube meets the seatstays and the toptube. In his mind this was an area notorious for failures at least on the Bontrager Race Lite models. Since he had such a good eye for this, seems like he would be the man to fix any failures in this are as well.

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    Another Bontrager

    Any model and date knowledge appreciated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkawasaki
    Any model and date knowledge appreciated...

    Mr K

    Fork is a Tange switchblade, not a bontrager. Looks like there is a headtube relief which would make it a racelite. We would need detail photos to be sure though. From one photo, the wishbone sorta looks privateerish but I think it is just the picture.

    The sticker set is really old, definately from before that frame. I would have loved those on their own.

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    ... no front derailleur pulley, no segemented seatstays as far as I can see -> so 95 or later i assume.

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    Rear brake cable stop on the monostay removed? or was it never there?

    Never there means later Trek made (but would have to be 1 1/8 head tube)


    Need a detail shot of:

    Head Tube front

    Front Der area (to see if it has pulley)

    Rear Seat stays (to see if they are stepped)


    Wasn't there more info on it over on RetroBike? I seem to remember . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    Rear brake cable stop on the monostay removed? or was it never there?

    Never there means later Trek made (but would have to be 1 1/8 head tube)


    Need a detail shot of:

    Head Tube front

    Front Der area (to see if it has pulley)

    Rear Seat stays (to see if they are stepped)


    Wasn't there more info on it over on RetroBike? I seem to remember . . .
    The first few years Trek made them with a 1" head tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    The first few years Trek made them with a 1" head tube.
    Yer right.

    96 the Privateer and Privateer S and those were both 1"

    97 the Privateer Comp, Privateer S and Privateer in 1 1/8

    98 the Privateer Comp, Privateer S and Privateer in 1 1/8

    99 the Privateer Comp, Privateer S and Privateer in 1 1/8

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    Front Der cable guide location suggests that it is later one - on Pulley versions the guide was at about 2:00 (looking down at the seat tube with bike pointed in front of you)

    Later bikes at about 5:30-6:00 O'Clock . . .

    From the pics - looks like a 1 1/8" head tube to me.

    Hey MrK . . . . give us a bone here . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    Yer right.

    96 the Privateer and Privateer S and those were both 1"

    97 the Privateer Comp, Privateer S and Privateer in 1 1/8

    98 the Privateer Comp, Privateer S and Privateer in 1 1/8

    99 the Privateer Comp, Privateer S and Privateer in 1 1/8
    I own two 97 Privateer S's, the burgundy model with RockShox Indy XC, and they both have a 1" steerer tube. They don't, however, have the canti brake cable hanger on the seat stay. Same with the green Privateer Comp I have of the same year. I'm fairly certain that 98 was the year they went 1 1/8".

    If I could pick, I'd probably want a Privateer from '96, when they still had the canti hanger (I build up one for my cousin Dan) and one of the more recent ones, so I wouldn't have to whine about selection of forks. I've got an Indy XC still on one, the RockShox Judy XC on the Comp, and a Marzocchi MX on the other Privateer S (still in the works).

    I do have an original pre-Trek Bontrager also, I guess it's a Race, with a pulley and horizontal dropouts. It's been powdercoated blue and has reproduction decals. Might sell that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    I own two 97 Privateer S's, the burgundy model with RockShox Indy XC, and they both have a 1" steerer tube. They don't, however, have the canti brake cable hanger on the seat stay. Same with the green Privateer Comp I have of the same year. I'm fairly certain that 98 was the year they went 1 1/8".

    If I could pick, I'd probably want a Privateer from '96, when they still had the canti hanger (I build up one for my cousin Dan) and one of the more recent ones, so I wouldn't have to whine about selection of forks. I've got an Indy XC still on one, the RockShox Judy XC on the Comp, and a Marzocchi MX on the other Privateer S (still in the works).

    I do have an original pre-Trek Bontrager also, I guess it's a Race, with a pulley and horizontal dropouts. It's been powdercoated blue and has reproduction decals. Might sell that one.
    Easy for me to mix up. you are right - typo on my part. 97 = 1".

    Anyway, we need MrK to pipe in and give us more data on what he has.

    edit: found an earlier pic of the bike over on RetroBike
    Does not have the bigger dropouts of the 98,99 trek made ones . . .
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    I like the color and decal combo on the bike.
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    Apologies!

    Sorry bone eaters - I'm travelling at the moment and won't be able to get photos requested until next week. Will do then - promise!

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    vintage bontrager forks

    Have some Bontrager straight blade forks, circa 1988-89. Any idea what these are worth, if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolson6432
    Have some Bontrager straight blade forks, circa 1988-89. Any idea what these are worth, if anything.
    They're absolutely worthless.

    I've sent you a PM.

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    I took a rag and lemon Pledge to the '90 Bonty Race I picked up yesterday, and decided to pose it with the '95 Race and Race Lite I own as the sun was setting today. The shots are pretty contrasty, but these seem to OK enough to post up. I still haven't completed the build of the middle bike (Race); it's been in virtual mock-up for almost 4 years, now!
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    Some Marzocchi fork specs...

    Quote Originally Posted by jimgskoop
    Please post photos when you're done -- I picked up a '93 Race Lite earlier this year (haven't built it up yet, the frame needs some TLC first) and would love to compare notes.

    I use a 1997 Bomber on my Race and it works great. I specifically chose the 1997 year because it "only" has 65mm of travel, which is what the Bontrager frames were designed for. I think 1998 Bombers had 70mm of travel, and after that they moved to 80mm. I'm not 100% positive on that though, I'd have to dig through the old owners manuals to check the specs. But many folks use later-year Bombers on their Bontys, and just set up the fork with a bit more sag to preserve the front-end geometry.

    -Jim G
    OK, I dug through the manuals and copied down the specs...

    http://yojimg.net/bike/equipment/forks/

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooderdude
    I took a rag and lemon Pledge to the '90 Bonty Race I picked up yesterday, and decided to pose it with the '95 Race and Race Lite I own as the sun was setting today. The shots are pretty contrasty, but these seem to OK enough to post up. I still haven't completed the build of the middle bike (Race); it's been in virtual mock-up for almost 4 years, now!
    Horn Doggie, I'm sorry, I forget how many nice bikes you have. Thanks for bringing the new steed by for a lookie and little scoot today, it felt great.
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    Here's an update of my 1993 Race Lite I've been rebuilding back to close to original spec. I'm using a newer King headset, Crank Bros pedals, an 8 speed freehub body on a M732 XT rear with XTR cassette and Paul's mounts for Dura Ace 8 speed thumbies. It may go all the way back to "stock", but I was tired of digging for parts. Still needs a final tune, cables trimmed, etc. I know the toptube decal is backwards, but it will stay that way until I find a replacement!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pint
    Here's an update of my 1993 Race Lite I've been rebuilding back to close to original spec. I'm using a newer King headset, Crank Bros pedals, an 8 speed freehub body on a M732 XT rear with XTR cassette and Paul's mounts for Dura Ace 8 speed thumbies. It may go all the way back to "stock", but I was tired of digging for parts. Still needs a final tune, cables trimmed, etc. I know the toptube decal is backwards, but it will stay that way until I find a replacement!

    IMG_2521.JPG
    Very nice! Is that definitely a '93? Which year did they stop doing the horizontal dropouts? Cool bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    Very nice! Is that definitely a '93? Which year did they stop doing the horizontal dropouts? Cool bike
    Pretty sure it's a 93. However, I did buy this one used about 5 years ago. It came with the original paperwork all from 93, but you never know. A few NOS parts I recently rounded up: Onza Porcs, XT M735 derailleurs, Bontrager Race stem, Bontrager/Titec Ti 118 bar, Synchros Ti BB, Tange Switchblade fork. Waiting to find a perfect Bonti fork, but couldn't wait any longer! Some day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    Very nice! Is that definitely a '93?
    Mine is just like pint's except it's black ... Race Lite with the angle-style decals but pulley front derailleur. I've always assumed it to be a 1993 also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten
    the fork tool box thread reminded me that i had scanned in these fork tech sheets a while ago - enjoy!
    I wonder what a Mod. 1, Mod. 2, option would look like for frame and fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by holden
    I wonder what a Mod. 1, Mod. 2, option would look like for frame and fork.

    Cool stuff, Carsten. All that talk about fork weight and Keith's forks were pretty heavy. Strong though. I admire all the thought, innovation and engineering going into the early mtb stuff.

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    Classic KB........I am inventing a new phrase, k-bomb. Thanks for posting that, this is well before the 500 page manual or whatever that used to come with every bike in the 90's, had no idea keith was doing aluminum cromo frames all the way back then. I would love to have seen pics of all the models.

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    "Pre-Trek Bontrager Privateer for Sale"

    I saw this on ebay: "This is a very nice and rare 18"Bontrager Privateer steel mountain bike that has been converted to sinlge speed. A true classic!!! I believe that this particular model year frame was prior to the Trek made Bontragers due to the 1" head tube diameter. I think the Trek years went to 1 1/8 inch."

    I sent him a message and politely pointed out that Privateers were by definition made-by-Trek bikes and that his for sure was made by Trek and got this reply: "Did you have a question? Thanks for clearing up the frame build mystery."

    Did I have a question? Yeah, now I have a question. Is he going to amend his auction? I wouldn't even care except that his reply had some side to it. Or am I over-reacting? The irony is that I'm bringing his auction more attention by discussing it.

    Also, a Privateer would have to be a 17" or a 19", technically, wouldn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williwoods
    Classic KB........I am inventing a new phrase, k-bomb. Thanks for posting that, this is well before the 500 page manual or whatever that used to come with every bike in the 90's, had no idea keith was doing aluminum cromo frames all the way back then. I would love to have seen pics of all the models.
    I have yet to see a pre-96 multi material frame come from Keith. One thing I have learned is pretty much anything is possible with the early stuff - he did plenty of experimentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pint
    Pretty sure it's a 93. However, I did buy this one used about 5 years ago. It came with the original paperwork all from 93, but you never know. A few NOS parts I recently rounded up: Onza Porcs, XT M735 derailleurs, Bontrager Race stem, Bontrager/Titec Ti 118 bar, Synchros Ti BB, Tange Switchblade fork. Waiting to find a perfect Bonti fork, but couldn't wait any longer! Some day...
    Might be a 92 bought in early 93? From working in the biz, one thing I've learned is there is always spill from the previous years' inventory. Makes things blurry sometimes. The give away to 92 is the riveted cable stops, but the seatpost clamp is deffo a 93+ style. All other parts, stays and front der wheel and cable stop position are early too. But those things were on 92, 93, 94 too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    I saw this on ebay: "This is a very nice and rare 18"Bontrager Privateer steel mountain bike that has been converted to sinlge speed. A true classic!!! I believe that this particular model year frame was prior to the Trek made Bontragers due to the 1" head tube diameter. I think the Trek years went to 1 1/8 inch."

    I sent him a message and politely pointed out that Privateers were by definition made-by-Trek bikes and that his for sure was made by Trek and got this reply: "Did you have a question? Thanks for clearing up the frame build mystery."

    Did I have a question? Yeah, now I have a question. Is he going to amend his auction? I wouldn't even care except that his reply had some side to it. Or am I over-reacting? The irony is that I'm bringing his auction more attention by discussing it.

    Also, a Privateer would have to be a 17" or a 19", technically, wouldn't it?
    Not over-reacting but it's going to be an uphill battle as everyone wants their Bontrager to be pre-Trek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    Might be a 92 bought in early 93? From working in the biz, one thing I've learned is there is always spill from the previous years' inventory. Makes things blurry sometimes. The give away to 92 is the riveted cable stops, but the seatpost clamp is deffo a 93+ style. All other parts, stays and front der wheel and cable stop position are early too. But those things were on 92, 93, 94 too.

    The cable stops are riveted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pint
    The cable stops are riveted.
    riveted - exactly. Riveted were earlier . . . 92 (ish) and earlier.

    The clamp area for the seatpost clamp looks tall. Look under the rubber sleeve and check if there is a faint line of a taller clamp being installed . . . should be roughly an inch tall.

    This would confirm my thesis that you have a newer style clamp on a older frame.

    No gusset in that area too. Newer ones had a little "V" and hole cutout gusset added there.

    I see there are subtle variations between 91, 92, 93 (looking at the frames I have) but this is a good guide.

    http://www.eandsweb.com/me/bontrager/

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    No gusset in that area too. Newer ones had a little "V" and hole cutout gusset added there.
    [/QUOTE]

    I have a '94 Race that has the seat-tube clamp gusset, and a '93 Race Lite that doesn't.

    IMHO, one of the best ways to discern the year of the frame is by examining the dropouts. See "Bontrager MTB Rear Dropout Differences" (last link in the list) at my page: http://yojimg.net/bike/bontrager.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimgskoop
    I have a '94 Race that has the seat-tube clamp gusset, and a '93 Race Lite that doesn't.

    IMHO, one of the best ways to discern the year of the frame is by examining the dropouts. See "Bontrager MTB Rear Dropout Differences" (last link in the list) at my page: http://yojimg.net/bike/bontrager.php
    Nice link.

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    How do I find this forum on mtbr? The only way I have been able to find it is by goggling official bontrager thread.

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    That's a good way to find it. Otherwise, you could subscribe to it.

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    Thanks for posting the scanned sheets Carsten!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    Nice link.
    yes, indeed

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    So I looked all thru here and didn't see anything about Bontrager "curved " blade forks with the 4 bolt crown (sorry I don't know the proper lingo) Anyone have any info or a link I can go to? thanx
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    Quote Originally Posted by da'HOOV
    So I looked all thru here and didn't see anything about Bontrager "curved " blade forks with the 4 bolt crown (sorry I don't know the proper lingo) Anyone have any info or a link I can go to? thanx
    Early-ish. Hollister has been jonesing for one forever. I have one and it is coolio.

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    so would they have been available with say...a '91 OffRoad?
    :)

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    Just post the pictures already.
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    what?

    Quote Originally Posted by da'HOOV
    so would they have been available with say...a '91 OffRoad?

    do you mean Off Road as in Girvin or an Off Road Toad?


    And I would assume you mean to ask if they were available from Bontrager in 1991?

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    91 would probably be a Comp . . . curvy fork on earlier Toads . . . yes.

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    horizontal dropouts....two piece seatstays....rivited cable stops...and a dead camera battery
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    crappy pics...sorry

    Pre clean-up and horrible lighting but pics none the less.. the decals are pretty beat up but the paint is actually pretty good and no signs of any internal rusting. Surface rust on the dropouts and chainstays, most of the marks are dirt and grease...
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    a couple more...

    it turned into a banner day...

    first my eBay Breezer frame came in the Brown truck. Nothing great but a good start.

    then I found a '97 Ball-Burnished Zaskar with full XT and Mavic 217's on Hadley/GT hubs

    and then this dropped into my lap as I was purchasing some Klein MC-1 bars...

    kaching ring me up, please
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    Careful Stan, you're starting to get too many really nice bikes and are going to lose your reputation . There's no doubt that's an Off Road. The horizontal dropouts, double bend chainstays, and rear canti cable stop are all dead giveaways. That fork is perfect too, maybe a little older than the frame, but close enough to be correct. Nice score .

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    Stan, that is a sweet ride! Let me know if it's too big for you!

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    of course it's too big for me
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    Nice pick up. That's a great frameset!
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    Stan, that bike it *****in'. Love it. I'll give you five lesser frames for it.

    Hell, what about a Mountain Goat WTR in 17" if that is too big?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    91 would probably be a Comp . . . curvy fork on earlier Toads . . . yes.

    Ha! We both guessed wrong. I guess it's cause they're called by their acronym.

    Anyway, the obligatory pic is needed here ("of course it's too big for me"):

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    What cracks me up is in other threads Stan has insisted that 19 inch bikes fit just right! I dig the old Bonty's though and with the curved forks it is even better.

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    curved forks look wrong on a production frame

    that doesn't look like a '91
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    What cracks me up is in other threads Stan has insisted that 19 inch bikes fit just right!
    That's 'cause nobody here wants to buy the other 19 inchers he's got. This bait is getting some bites!

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    actually...

    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    What cracks me up is in other threads Stan has insisted that 19 inch bikes fit just right! I dig the old Bonty's though and with the curved forks it is even better.

    I never said they fit just right, just that for my type of riding they are workable . My main rides are smaller frames.

    Now tell me you have never bought a frame that wasn't the right size and that you would have passed on this one if it wasn't the right size....
    :)

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    Sat, what's the serial number? On the frames of that vintage, the year is included in the serial number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    This bait is getting some bites!

    You betcha!
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    just a couple more

    I always think a frame looks better with wheels etc. so I threw some on to see what it looked like...not sure how I'm going to build this but it could go this way....

    serial # ends in '791' so I assume it was built in July of '91. And it's an 18".

    Just a hair over 19 pounds as it sits.
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    That's my size, but I'm already up to my neck in projects and can't justify another. That's still a great find, especially with the fork. Which reminds me, I have a lead on a Bonty fork with horizontal drop-outs that I need to follow up on...

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    Get that stem off of there right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Get that stem off of there right now.
    don't worry, it's just my mock-up/sizing stem. Just for getting a quick idea of fit.
    :)

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    Too bad we can't have a Bontrager thread under manufacturers; that would consolidate things nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    Too bad we can't have a Bontrager thread under manufacturers; that would consolidate things nicely.
    The Bontrager logo has not been on a bike frame since '98. And a lot of us don't associate the things being made today with the Bontrager logo as having anything to do with the original company, so I'm not sure if it's wise to mix the old stuff with the new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    Not over-reacting but it's going to be an uphill battle as everyone wants their Bontrager to be pre-Trek.
    Know what? I don't, and here's why: I always wanted a Santa Cruz-made Bontrager, until I finally got one with the semi-horizontal dropouts, and it was a major pain to get the rear wheel not to slip.

    I've ridden a '97 Privateer for over a decade now and it's just been a fun problem-free dream to ride. Call me a phillistine, but really, it's damn near the same frame. Now that I have a '99 (I think) Bontrager Privateer also, I have a Privateer which will take a fork with a 1 1/8" steerer tube, so I have a ton more choice when it comes to forks.

    After all, I bought them to ride, not as wall-hangers.

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    First post.....While looking for info on my bontrager, I stumbled onto this site. I have what I'm pretty sure is a '98 privateer. I bought it brand new in '99 as a leftover. Everything except the seat and pedals is original, down to the grips. Since this is a trek made frame, is it worth much? I'm trying to sell it right now and wondering if it has any worth. It's in great condition.




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    Would've been, but your fork boots are missing...
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    Bontrager Race #5712

    Question - Would it be appropriate to use this fork with this frame?

    1994 Race


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    Or should I use a Judy SL I have from the parts donor bike (1994 KHS Montana Pro)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjustin007
    Question - Would it be appropriate to use this fork with this frame?

    Or should I use a Judy SL I have from the parts donor bike (1994 KHS Montana Pro)
    The rigid fork is older than the frame. The frame is likely suspension corrected.

    What is the axle to crown measurement, with the legs as long as they will go on the rigid fork? If' it's under 400mm I'd not use it. If it's over, it will work fine. Slightly longer would be better.
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    How do I measure that?
    From axel to top of crown = 395mm
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    Yeah what Laff said

    Frame looks to be a 95/6 1 piece seat stays and no pulley wheel (if I see right - pic is a tad fuzzy)

    Deffo a suspension geo frame

    That fork will not quite be long enough, but you could put it on and see for yourself what it will do to the geo and ride. Since it has slotted drops, even more fun to experiment with

    But, I would recommend the Judy . . . will ride a lot better with that.

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    Nice fork, though. I see why you want to use it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    Know what? I don't, and here's why: I always wanted a Santa Cruz-made Bontrager, until I finally got one with the semi-horizontal dropouts, and it was a major pain to get the rear wheel not to slip.

    I've ridden a '97 Privateer for over a decade now and it's just been a fun problem-free dream to ride. Call me a phillistine, but really, it's damn near the same frame. Now that I have a '99 (I think) Bontrager Privateer also, I have a Privateer which will take a fork with a 1 1/8" steerer tube, so I have a ton more choice when it comes to forks.

    After all, I bought them to ride, not as wall-hangers.
    Agreed, 1 1/8" gives you more choices. Yes, the frames are close to the same to higher end models.

    "After all, I bought them to ride, not as wall-hangers." Yeah, riding them is what they are for.

    I think we all know that when it comes time to sell - Race and Race Lite bring more bucks. And that is what I was referencing. People want to connect to those models and away from Trek made. Thus people often quote "made in Santa Cruz" when they are not. I see it all the time.

    What I am trying to say is - I agree with you - but I think you are going to have a hard time correcting everybody that puts an ad up on CL or Ebay


    edited for content.
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    Riding Bonty off road?

    Are you peeps riding your bontys off road now? I have a 94 Race, its been my commuter. I have a Judy XC on it, fixed up by Hippietech. I am thinking about getting it back out on the trail. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy
    Are you peeps riding your bontys off road now? I have a 94 Race, its been my commuter. I have a Judy XC on it, fixed up by Hippietech. I am thinking about getting it back out on the trail. What do you think?
    Yes, I still ride my Bontrager Race. It's a single speed with a 2000 SID fork on it (the last of the 1" SIDs). I still love the way it rides, and have no plans to stop riding it.
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    Of course I ride my Bontrager off road! I have a road bike for pavement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by da'HOOV
    So I looked all thru here and didn't see anything about Bontrager "curved " blade forks with the 4 bolt crown (sorry I don't know the proper lingo) Anyone have any info or a link I can go to? thanx
    Here's one:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimg/se...7606722657538/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimgskoop
    Nice frameset. And my size too! I'm glad that I missed that ad; otherwise, I'd be $500 poorer right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkawasaki
    Sorry bone eaters - I'm travelling at the moment and won't be able to get photos requested until next week. Will do then - promise!

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    I've been searching the net for info about this fork, and have come up empty. It's a Switchblade with the slotted drop outs. Can someone fill me in? When it was made, what would be the 'correct' Bontrager to put it on, etc.

    I was going to use it on the 1994 Race pictured above, but seems like it's too old.
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    You guys all have some great bikes. I had to register and post my first bike love. In the summer of 2000 I quit my job and threw down 1100 bones for this '99 Privateer Comp, all in the same day. Was a fun summer! It had a Sid fork, XT and XTR components, Chris King rear hub. Sold it a few years later when I was hard up for money, which I regret. Now the search is on to find one to replace her!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzle-Chest
    You guys all have some great bikes. I had to register and post my first bike love. In the summer of 2000 I quit my job and threw down 1100 bones for this '99 Privateer Comp, all in the same day. Was a fun summer! It had a Sid fork, XT and XTR components, Chris King rear hub. Sold it a few years later when I was hard up for money, which I regret. Now the search is on to find one to replace her!
    Now you can afford a real Santa Cruz made bontrager! What size are you looking for?

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    medium or large, you have one your looking to unload?

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    ooops, double post...
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    96 Race:
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    Oooh clean. My size, too

    You sure it's a '96? The details point towards an earlier year: 2 piece seatstays, straight decals, XT components and fork from 95 or earlier, etc. What kind of headset is that? Is it a repaint or just a near pristine ol' gem? Whats the history on it?

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    96 ?

    Not a 96 but definitely very nice and clean. Decals are just decals but those are the early ones which match the frame. That butted seat stay put it more at 90-91.
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    That is really sharp. Nice work.

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