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    Most overrated vintage mountain bike

    Hmm. Dont have time to say much right now but how about my short list:

    1. Yeti Fro.
    2. Merlin Newsboy

    Have at it boys and girls. I check in on the wounded later.
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    Zaskar.
    Raleigh Tomac.

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    Anything with Gary Fisher's name on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSFA
    Anything with Gary Fisher's name on it.
    Ditto that for GT

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    Tomac Raleigh, agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Raleigh Tomac.
    Surely you meant the Litespeed-made retail model.

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    Have you guys even ridden a Tomac Ti/Carbon Sig?
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    Over rated bikes:

    Cunninghams, Potts', anything WTB.
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    John also made Mongoose famous for a short period. Just think if he had raced a Huffy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Over rated bikes:

    Cunninghams, Potts', anything WTB.

    Fail........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Over rated bikes:

    Cunninghams, Potts', anything WTB.
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by RX-1
    John also made Mongoose famous for a short period. Just think if he had raced a Huffy.

    With what criteria does one rate a bike? nostalgia, ride, weight, durability, history, looks, etc? That's why I like Tomac's old race bikes -so historic and nostalgic. That and they were so damn cool for their day.

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    The JT Team Mongoose is an underrated bike I'd say. For me, JT is uniquely iconic as a mountain bike racer. I don't really dig his bikes after the C-26, but that's just me. That said, I'd like one of his personal Raleighs, if no the Litespeed retail version!

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    I'd say that there are no "over rated" bikes. Opinions vary on what's a good bike or not a good bike. What might be my "most prized bike" might not make another person's list. We all like different bikes for different reasons, and there's no consensus on what's a good bike and what's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Over rated bikes:

    Cunninghams, Potts', anything WTB.

    or anything else you're looking for!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Surely you meant the Litespeed-made retail model.
    i am sure the merlin made rides and looks SO MUCH better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    The JT Team Mongoose is an underrated bike I'd say. For me, JT is uniquely iconic as a mountain bike racer. I don't really dig his bikes after the C-26, but that's just me. That said, I'd like one of his personal Raleighs, if no the Litespeed retail version!
    That's what i am loooking for right now, as a rider.
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    Manitou, any aluminum Yeti.

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    Boulder, IRD, Outland, Mtn. Cycle... Pretty much all the early full-suspension adopters who sold wallet-busting works-in-progress as fully thought out next generation stuff.

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    Obviously there is no correct answer here...but for me personally, Wicked Fat Chance.

    Great cult following, classic looking bike, all the right ques for a VRC MTB. I was really excited to build and ride mine...Ended up hating it. Just didn't fit my riding style and local trails.

    I was also expecting more out of my Bontrager and Mountain Goat too.

    Tried them all, didn't like them, none of the above mentioned bikes are in my collection as a result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Obviously there is no correct answer here...but for me personally, Wicked Fat Chance.

    Great cult following, classic looking bike, all the right ques for a VRC MTB. I was really excited to build and ride mine...Ended up hating it. Just didn't fit my riding style and local trails.

    I was also expecting more out of my Bontrager and Mountain Goat too.

    Tried them all, didn't like them, none of the above mentioned bikes are in my collection as a result.
    wickeds are underrated. when you compare it's market value w/ it's legend and ride quality it becomes one of the best deals around.
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    Made me FRO up.

    Yeti FRO. Boy those arenít very good. Saw some come crooked, geometry didnít match the catalog, heavy as hell, rusted shortly after purchase, handling wasnít good for tight stuff or the east, some stupid cable routing, etc. Iíd still like one.
    Show me your Toads. Old Brodies, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mainlyfats
    Boulder, IRD, Outland, Mtn. Cycle...
    Are we talking overrated then or now?

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    I can only comment on vintage bikes I've owned or ridden. I'd have to say it's is my '93/'94 Bonty Race lite. The bike is lite, looks great, has M900 and all the goodies. It's the correct size for me but......the high speed handling would be considered. ...twichey. At Keysville it had my full attention on those fast sections. I will say it climbs excellent and is nice in the tight trails but open it up and its white knuckles time I've had thoughts of parting it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by kb11
    Are my eyes playing tricks on me or are those brakes reversed? (front on rear and vice-versa)

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    Well i guess i should have added and why to my original post. Obviously this is only going to be our own opinions, if you dont agree by all means convince me or others. I've pulled up my reasons i previously posted about the FRO in another thread outside of here.

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    Both. It has taken me this long to gather some that i wanted then.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury
    Are we talking overrated then or now?

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    Do you say this just because they were disposable. I found the arc to be a good all around bike. Much better than the steel bikes. Might have been because the offset of the suspension forks relaxed them a bit in comparison. I never got to take a Doug built Manitou to the trails. Got to hammer a hardtail/rigid one around the ghetto through some local rail yards and it felt very tight and fast. But how much can you tell from a few makeshift ramps and curb jumping. I have an answer HT version waiting in the que. Rather excited about hitting the trails with it for the first time.

    Quote Originally Posted by jacdykema
    Manitou, any aluminum Yeti.

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    I dunno about other Kleins but the early Attitude with out suspension feel to be a very neutral bike. Does not do anything especially well other than be one f'n light bike if built right. Plus haw can you rate them when out of 10k built only13 have ever been ridden off road. That's including mine, east coast Steve's, and the Team.


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    How far off were the original wicked and the lites? I was really surprised by mine. I put it up there with my p23. Great for switchbacks and cross country sprints. Have not gotten to ride both in the same month to get a better comparison other than the lite is way more flexy in the bottom bracket area when really putting the power down and a but mor flex in the mid section than i'd like but not horrible. My lite is a Serotta made one though. If that makes any difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    wickeds are underrated. when you compare it's market value w/ it's legend and ride quality it becomes one of the best deals around.

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    Anything Trek. I can't think of more boring bikes.

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    Tiny top tube 90's Treks.
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    I'm making a list of Yeti haters.....

    It WILL be reported..

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    I dont hate, They just are not at the top of my list. You can take it up with Tom Ritchey if you have a problem with it, He has spoiled me for the rest. BUt i still give em all a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Roma
    Ditto that for GT
    It doesn't say line of bikes but simply bike. There are a couple of GT's that are not over rated.
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    Yeah! GT made some great BMX bikes previous to 1989. LOL I liked the GT's a lot even if they did copy their triple trianlge design from many others. I wanted to like the steel bikes but they were quite heavy compared to say a stumpjumper of equal lineup. The groove tube made things worse. The Zaskars were cool looking, great quality, and decent riders. but were held back by the suspension forks of the time. Rigid forks were not an option on those. The ti bike were decent but kept coming back with snapped rear drops. But at the end of their production were being sold so cheap who cared. Still surprises me the only hi end gt you see for sale ever are the ti's or zaskars.

    Quote Originally Posted by gm1230126
    It doesn't say line of bikes but simply bike. There are a couple of GT's that are not over rated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckevlar
    Do you say this just because they were disposable.
    Somewhat. I always thought that if you drop that much on a frame it should last. That said, I've ridden both frames off road many times and wasn't that impressed. Maybe they ride better on SoCal/Colorado fireroads or something but they felt really sluggish on the local (Michigan) singletrack. To be fair I never rode a Doug built Manitou, just the Answer. I am also picky. I hope your Answer treats you well though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    wickeds are underrated. when you compare it's market value w/ it's legend and ride quality it becomes one of the best deals around.

    Then start an "underrated" thread and say that for yourself. I think they suck donkey dick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanetti
    Are my eyes playing tricks on me or are those brakes reversed? (front on rear and vice-versa)
    Good eyes Z , that was before my question about M900 cantis on that other forum but slowing down wasn't the problem.
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    If i can get 5-6 rides out of it before the headtube cracks off, and like them, i'll be happy. If i can get 2 rides before failure and say i dont like it, Even better. Then I can pass it on.

    Quote Originally Posted by jacdykema
    Somewhat. I always thought that if you drop that much on a frame it should last. That said, I've ridden both frames off road many times and wasn't that impressed. Maybe they ride better on SoCal/Colorado fireroads or something but they felt really sluggish on the local (Michigan) singletrack. To be fair I never rode a Doug built Manitou, just the Answer. I am also picky. I hope your Answer treats you well though.

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    To tell you the truth i never thought much of them till they came out with the Yo!. Even then i thought it was cheap of them to make fun of the yeti name and copy their cable routing. Still a neat bike and loved the yo fork. Before then all the fats that came through the shop were Wickeds specked out for touring with Bruce Gordon Racks and such. Not that that is anything..
    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Then start an "underrated" thread and say that for yourself. I think they suck donkey dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Then start an "underrated" thread and say that for yourself. I think they suck donkey dick.
    i rather post on this one and tell you how much you know s*** about bikes.
    it saves me a lot of time and it's way more fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckevlar
    How far off were the original wicked and the lites? I was really surprised by mine. I put it up there with my p23. Great for switchbacks and cross country sprints. Have not gotten to ride both in the same month to get a better comparison other than the lite is way more flexy in the bottom bracket area when really putting the power down and a but mor flex in the mid section than i'd like but not horrible. My lite is a Serotta made one though. If that makes any difference.
    very precise front. great sit and pedal climbers. switchbacks, slow steep rocky ground... all good.
    not the best on fast open trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    With what criteria does one rate a bike? nostalgia, ride, weight, durability, history, looks, etc?
    Or how much people will pay vs. what they are getting.

    I hear Kleins are nice but their prices are less so.

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    Hmmm, well, at the shops I grew up working in, GT always seemed to attract the guys who were like "dude, they made sick BMX bikes, and I want a MTB now that I'm all grown up, so they must be a good MTB too" Guess they'd be on my list, and their weight relative to their period appropriate cousins didn't help either.

    Surprised no one mentioned Cannondale yet

    Trek Y bike. That's gotta be the #1 over rated bike, IMHO.

    Litespeed, once I saw their ad campaign talking about how they match their welding rod to the material they weld, and that they alone used an oxygen free environment for welding, I knew they were so full of BS I'd never own one.

    Curious about your Fat thoughts Rumpfy, you bring up a good point. Not correct for the trails you ride etc. What sort of geometries do the west coast bikes you ride have, on average? Lower BB's I'm guessing. Slacker angles? I ask, since Cannondale (for example) made big hay on the 13.5 BB height on their Beast of the East, as a right coast benefit that none of the other "big" folks were doing at the time, which I find to be a point of bike design I appreciate to this day. So it begs the question, what are the regional flavorings that make bikes work well for the environments they're built for....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Hmmm, well, at the shops I grew up working in, GT always seemed to attract the guys who were like "dude, they made sick BMX bikes, and I want a MTB now that I'm all grown up, so they must be a good MTB too" Guess they'd be on my list, and their weight relative to their period appropriate cousins didn't help either.

    Surprised no one mentioned Cannondale yet

    Trek Y bike. That's gotta be the #1 over rated bike, IMHO.

    Litespeed, once I saw their ad campaign talking about how they match their welding rod to the material they weld, and that they alone used an oxygen free environment for welding, I knew they were so full of BS I'd never own one.

    Curious about your Fat thoughts Rumpfy, you bring up a good point. Not correct for the trails you ride etc. What sort of geometries do the west coast bikes you ride have, on average? Lower BB's I'm guessing. Slacker angles? I ask, since Cannondale (for example) made big hay on the 13.5 BB height on their Beast of the East, as a right coast benefit that none of the other "big" folks were doing at the time, which I find to be a point of bike design I appreciate to this day. So it begs the question, what are the regional flavorings that make bikes work well for the environments they're built for....
    aaawww... Litespeed. the lame ads. the pseudo science crap: multi shaped ti tubes.
    good for them Ti sells itself.
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    Another vote for the Wicked Fat Chance. I've owned two and hated both. Terrible at speed and terrible in the air.. two must-haves to put a grin on my face.

    I tried taking it to its 'natural' habitat - slow and twisty technical singletrack, and it still sucked.

    I can only imagine a happy Wicked owner rides slow for one hour and then calls it a day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Curious about your Fat thoughts Rumpfy, you bring up a good point. Not correct for the trails you ride etc. What sort of geometries do the west coast bikes you ride have, on average? Lower BB's I'm guessing. Slacker angles? I ask, since Cannondale (for example) made big hay on the 13.5 BB height on their Beast of the East, as a right coast benefit that none of the other "big" folks were doing at the time, which I find to be a point of bike design I appreciate to this day. So it begs the question, what are the regional flavorings that make bikes work well for the environments they're built for....
    I think that this is a lot of it. I've owned a couple of Fat City mountain bikes, and I agree that at speed on wide-open trails they are not the best bikes. On the other hand while picking your way through a rock garden at low speeds they were nice bikes. On the other hand the Yeti FRO and Ultimate that I used to own where the exact opposite: they were great on high speed wide open trails, but not particular fun to ride at lower speeds - it's hard to get them to go where you want when moving slowly.

    Where you live and where you ride makes a huge difference on what bikes ride well and which do not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux
    I think that this is a lot of it. I've owned a couple of Fat City mountain bikes, and I agree that at speed on wide-open trails they are not the best bikes. On the other hand while picking your way through a rock garden at low speeds they were nice bikes. On the other hand the Yeti FRO and Ultimate that I used to own where the exact opposite: they were great on high speed wide open trails, but not particular fun to ride at lower speeds - it's hard to get them to go where you want when moving slowly.

    Where you live and where you ride makes a huge difference on what bikes ride well and which do not.

    there are good all around ones though. ibis comes to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ameybrook
    Another vote for the Wicked Fat Chance. I've owned two and hated both. Terrible at speed and terrible in the air.. two must-haves to put a grin on my face.

    I tried taking it to its 'natural' habitat - slow and twisty technical singletrack, and it still sucked.

    I can only imagine a happy Wicked owner rides slow for one hour and then calls it a day.
    yours was too big.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    yours was too big.
    Correct. But I've also owned a 16.5" and that felt wrong too. I'm guessing its a great bike for the right rider, just not me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ameybrook
    Correct. But I've also owned a 16.5" and that felt wrong too. I'm guessing its a great bike for the right rider, just not me.
    Just curious, as an extension of my thoughts, wondering if you can put numbers to what you didn't like, compared against what you do? I've built enough frames to be dangerous, so I understand that the science has more to do with the outcome, than the name on the tubes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ameybrook
    .....I'm guessing its a great bike for the right rider.....
    This is an important point, bikes are very personal, if they were a one-size-fits-all kind of thing there would be no place for aftermarket parts, riders are all kinds of different shapes, and riding technique differs too. You know, there's probably someone out there who can rock a trail on a TREK 850. that sound like a joke, but back in my BMXing days the best dirt-jumper I knew rode a POS no-name bike he found (literally) dumped in a pile of garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Obviously there is no correct answer here...but for me personally, Wicked Fat Chance.

    Great cult following, classic looking bike, all the right ques for a VRC MTB. I was really excited to build and ride mine...Ended up hating it. Just didn't fit my riding style and local trails.

    I was also expecting more out of my Bontrager and Mountain Goat too.

    Tried them all, didn't like them, none of the above mentioned bikes are in my collection as a result.
    This seems to be veering into the "tried it and it didn't work for me even though it has full VRC cred".

    For me that would have to be my Salsa Ala Carte. Boy did the "right sized" Salsa ever suck ass for me. I couldn't ride that bike without going over the handlebars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mainlyfats
    This seems to be veering into the "tried it and it didn't work for me even though it has full VRC cred".

    For me that would have to be my Salsa Ala Carte. Boy did the "right sized" Salsa ever suck ass for me. I couldn't ride that bike without going over the handlebars.
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    Like Ckevlar wrote, I mostly recall early Fats and later Wickeds being candidates for racks and handlebar mirrors. The Yo Eddy, late Monster and Buck were what sparked my and many of our customers interest in Fat. They looked more aggressive and were supposedly designed for east coast trails.

    The shop I worked at in Atlanta sold loads of Ritcheys in the mid to late 80s, mostly based on reputation. Many of them left the shop with racks and a set of panniers too, but most were used hard offroad. So west coast geo on east coast tight twisty trails. Then the Yo Eddy came out, combined with co-worker Earl Bob being sponsored by Fat. After that we probably couldn't have given a Ritchey away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kb11
    I can only comment on vintage bikes I've owned or ridden. I'd have to say it's is my '93/'94 Bonty Race lite. The bike is lite, looks great, has M900 and all the goodies. It's the correct size for me but......the high speed handling would be considered. ...twichey. At Keysville it had my full attention on those fast sections. I will say it climbs excellent and is nice in the tight trails but open it up and its white knuckles time I've had thoughts of parting it out

    The racelites are only good if are a light guy. They flex too much if you are over 160# and get worse over time. The weight penalty on the race is well worth it IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    i rather post on this one and tell you how much you know s*** about bikes.
    it saves me a lot of time and it's way more fun.

    No one can eyeball frame geometry from pictures like you can FC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ameybrook
    Another vote for the Wicked Fat Chance. I've owned two and hated both. Terrible at speed and terrible in the air.. two must-haves to put a grin on my face.

    I tried taking it to its 'natural' habitat - slow and twisty technical singletrack, and it still sucked.

    I can only imagine a happy Wicked owner rides slow for one hour and then calls it a day.

    LOL!


    Thats the exact two issues I had with mine. Air time and traveling at a high rate of speed. I felt like it pushed into corners on quick tight sections. But...climbing was great. Climbed well. 24lb steel bike. That was pleasant.

    Just not the right bike for us guys who like to ride quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mainlyfats
    This seems to be veering into the "tried it and it didn't work for me even though it has full VRC cred".

    For me that would have to be my Salsa Ala Carte. Boy did the "right sized" Salsa ever suck ass for me. I couldn't ride that bike without going over the handlebars.

    Well, I wouldn't presume to call a bike overrated without having some first hand experience in the saddle with it.

    Funny...I'm the exact opposite with my Salsas. I love the two I have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    No one can eyeball frame geometry from pictures like you can FC.
    no one can behave as badly as you do here either...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Funny...I'm the exact opposite with my Salsas. I love the two I have.
    Makes sence given the over-the-bars tendancy
    que k-ville photos....


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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith

    Curious about your Fat thoughts Rumpfy, you bring up a good point. Not correct for the trails you ride etc. What sort of geometries do the west coast bikes you ride have, on average? Lower BB's I'm guessing. Slacker angles? I ask, since Cannondale (for example) made big hay on the 13.5 BB height on their Beast of the East, as a right coast benefit that none of the other "big" folks were doing at the time, which I find to be a point of bike design I appreciate to this day. So it begs the question, what are the regional flavorings that make bikes work well for the environments they're built for....
    Laffeaux summed it up pretty well I think. I'm not pining over measurements and angles. If there's a VRC bike I want to try, I'll find one, build it up, ride it. If it suits me and my riding style I'll keep it, if not...off it goes.

    No doubt where the bike comes from has a lot of influence on the ride characteristics of that bike. Didn't like the Wicked (I've yet to try a YO), and I'm working hard to like my Merlin. Otis, Potts, Salsa, Ritchey P-23...great riding bikes for me.

    I don't mind slacker angles so long as they're not a slug. Our trails out there are more open, fast and flowy.

    Of course...nothing is an absolute. Don't like Bontragers or Mountain Goats...but I like my Slingshot. Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    Makes sence given the over-the-bars tendancy
    que k-ville photos....


    I loved the one Salsa I had.

    It was a slow tech section on a Ritchey. What was I going to do!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    no one can behave as badly as you do here either...
    Its a gift really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Its a gift really.
    it's more like a license... or self indulgence.
    Must be fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    (I've yet to try a YO).
    Loved the classic one I had. Love the modern-ish one I have. Unique riding bikes for sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    it's more like a license... or self indulgence.
    Must be fun.
    Its a combination of not taking things too seriously and a bit of ego and self entitlement. Its totally fun.
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    I'd like a Yo that fits!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    I'd like a Yo that fits!
    a small medium and a 135 stem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    I'd like a Yo that fits!

    Fits....in your apartment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    I'd like a Yo that fits!
    For a second there I thought this was posted by Stan
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    Quote Originally Posted by IF52
    For a second there I thought this was posted by Stan

    I mix them up quite frequently myself.

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    Colker knows what I'm talking about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    I mix them up quite frequently myself.
    I'm the guy riding.


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    New question here. Boy named SSue

    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue
    The racelites are only good if are a light guy. They flex too much if you are over 160# and get worse over time. The weight penalty on the race is well worth it IMHO.
    Wasn't the 1992 model the "best" of the bunch? Achieving a kinda steel-framed legendary status?

    Didn't Bontrager change production facilities in 1993 or thereabouts when they got bought out? Isn't that why the 1993-94 models "felt" different?

    I am looking for a 1992 Race Lite, size small, 16-17" if anyone has one IN GOOD SHAPE!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith

    Trek Y bike. That's gotta be the #1 over rated bike, IMHO.
    Awe come on........Who didn't like the constant bob and the seat masts busting off???? I'd agree the hype on these things was crazy! enough to get me on one! Well live and learn I guess! Their awesome FS design lives on-on those sweet Next powerclimbers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredr
    Wasn't the 1992 model the "best" of the bunch? Achieving a kinda steel-framed legendary status?

    Didn't Bontrager change production facilities in 1993 or thereabouts when they got bought out? Isn't that why the 1993-94 models "felt" different?

    I am looking for a 1992 Race Lite, size small, 16-17" if anyone has one IN GOOD SHAPE!!!
    if it's the same tubing, geometry and welders.. why would it be any different?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue
    The racelites are only good if are a light guy. They flex too much if you are over 160# and get worse over time. The weight penalty on the race is well worth it IMHO.
    I do weight over 160 but flexing wasn't an issue, if feels more like a sterring/angle issue, maybe this frame is meant for suspension? I got this bike from original owner and it came with the Bonty forks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredr
    Wasn't the 1992 model the "best" of the bunch? Achieving a kinda steel-framed legendary status?

    Didn't Bontrager change production facilities in 1993 or thereabouts when they got bought out? Isn't that why the 1993-94 models "felt" different?

    I am looking for a 1992 Race Lite, size small, 16-17" if anyone has one IN GOOD SHAPE!!!

    you're off by about 4 years.

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    New question here. Fillet-brazed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    you're off by about 4 years.
    Can you go through the yearly chronology for me? I don't remember..

    From Bonty to Trek & when it happened? If & when production/construction/materials changed for the worse..

    I assume when flex is mentioned it's vertical & not lateral flex?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredr
    Can you go through the yearly chronology for me? I don't remember..

    From Bonty to Trek & when it happened? If & when production/construction/materials changed for the worse..

    I assume when flex is mentioned it's vertical & not lateral flex?

    Thanks
    it's a diagonal flex.

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    I'm going to side with Colker on this one. I own an factory stock 87 Wicked and absolutely love it. All day comfortable, great climber, light, responsive..ideal for my local trails. Sure it doesn't have the high speed sharpness of a Yo or the zing of a Ti but it wasn't meant to. It makes a great all day bike. As for its handling, we had a bit of a downhill race last summer- 30 riders of all ages and abilities on pre 98 bikes, some with full suss and most with a suss fork. I finished 4th on the Wicked. I'm overweight and a smoker and no Tomac for sure. It just gave me confidence to have a go and thats what counts.

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    I'm gonna say all non-ti GTs and all yetis.
    All because they were unnecessarily heavy.
    On a hardtail weight and ride quality are everything and these bikes had strikes on both those points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer
    I'm gonna say all non-ti GTs and all yetis.
    All because they were unnecessarily heavy.
    On a hardtail weight and ride quality are everything and these bikes had strikes on both those points.
    My '96 GT Karakoram steel frame doesn't seem that heavy to me. Not by Clydesdale standards I bet.
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