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    Fat Chance question

    Ive come across a custom mtb frame by Chris Chance built in 87. Im not very familiar with Fats as there never seemed to be too many on the west coast, but this ones got a gusset under the downtube that connects to the headtube. Did that make sense? I looked through a few fat chance pics and havent noticed this on other frames. If anyone remembers the older Haro gussets it kinda looks like that.

    Does anybody know anything about this? Is this gusset normal for that time period?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Ive come across a custom mtb frame by Chris Chance built in 87. Im not very familiar with Fats as there never seemed to be too many on the west coast, but this ones got a gusset under the downtube that connects to the headtube. Did that make sense? I looked through a few fat chance pics and havent noticed this on other frames. If anyone remembers the older Haro gussets it kinda looks like that.

    Does anybody know anything about this? Is this gusset normal for that time period?
    i think there is nothing special about this gusset. my fatīs (89 - 93) have this kind of gusset shown on the right. the left one is from a 93 titanium fat
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    do you mean this type of gusset?

    This is a wrap around type gusset that was on Haro BMX bikes years ago. It is vertical and wraps around the head tube. I remember Fats with a simple spoon type gusset shown in the pictures above.
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    Yes, more like that. I'll get a pic on here a bit later. Hmm, so it sounds like its something different from the norm.....

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    The old Haro mtbs had that too. Ive actually got one if anyone is interested. Im probably just gonna throw it away. Its been repainted, it looks like a spray can job, its pretty bad. I think it was their top of the line model. It had full 1987-88 Deore XT on it.

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    here's an '84 Fat but no gusset

    Check out this link. There is an 84 FC, but you can't see that type of gusset. http://www.absolutebikes.com/museum.html

    Westend Bike shop in Houston has a nice collection of old bikes but I can't find any photos of them on their site http://www.westendbikes.com/fsweall.html

    Might be worth an e-mail to Independant Fabrications to see if anyone there can ID your frame.

    Very different from the norm. Haro is the only one off the top of my head who did a gusset like that. I'm sure there are others. What are some of the other details on the frame like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Yes, more like that. I'll get a pic on here a bit later. Hmm, so it sounds like its something different from the norm.....
    A picture would be good...can you get the serial number as well? It should be under the BB shell. What do the chainstays look like?
    Echoing the other folks, none of my Fats have a gussett like the Haro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat chance guy
    A picture would be good...can you get the serial number as well? It should be under the BB shell. What do the chainstays look like?
    Echoing the other folks, none of my Fats have a gussett like the Haro.

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    Dont have the serial number yet. But heres a pic.
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    Looks really familiar

    That gusset looks really familiar. Can't seem to place it, though. I almost want to say some early 90's Salsa ala cartes had a similar gusset, but can't remember for sure. My 80s ala carte is fillet brazed. When Ross brought back the ala carte in the early 90s it was tig welded and I seem to recall it had a gusset that was similar.

    There are other things to check to find out if the frame is, first, hand made or maybe more mass produced. If there is a crimp in the c/s that is deep and a bit cobby looking, I doubt it is from Fat or even Salsa. Most of these builders use a c/s that is ovalized rather than deeply crimped. Off-shore made frames typically have deeply crimped chainstays. It looks like that photo is crimped pretty deep - correct me if my eyesight sucks. Post some detail shots of the frame like the seat collar area, head tube, bb shell, dropout...

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    Djuc has an older salsa ala carte that has that style gusset. so maybe it is a salsa?

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    Fat Chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Dont have the serial number yet. But heres a pic.
    Thanks for the photo. I can't see anything obvious in the picture, close-ups would help. The chainstays, gusset, dropouts, etc. I assume that the head tube is 1", what size is the seatpost? Is the BB a press-in unit? The rear brake bridge looks Fat, but other builders may have used something similar. In 87 most Fats used a u-brake, but it was not the only option.
    Who told you that Chris Chance made the bike in 87?

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    well, it was made by Chris for the Mongoose team back then. It never had Fat stickers on it.

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    you hit the jack pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    well, it was made by Chris for the Mongoose team back then. It never had Fat stickers on it.
    it may be a tomac frame. made for john tomac when he rode for mongoose. maybe his first race bike. tomac just sold his bike stuff and it wasn't for peanuts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    it may be a tomac frame. made for john tomac when he rode for mongoose. maybe his first race bike. tomac just sold his bike stuff and it wasn't for peanuts...
    YUP, STRONG PROBABILTITY! check this out:
    http://www.singletrackworld.co.uk/article.php?sid=1260

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    Just about to say that is the ex-Tomac Fat/Mongoose, my a la Carte does indeed have the same type of gusset, apparently its an '87, but thats to be confirmed....

    Ta, Djuc

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