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    New question here. do you know anything about my frame?!? (carbon, 80-90's?)

    i know this isn't as vintage or classic as the usual bikes on here, but i pulled a frame out of the pile at my local co-op and fell in love. i like taking on more obscure projects that make others more scared. i've been slowly piecing it together as a functional budget XC bike, but i know absolutely nothing about the frame or the company who made it and i have been fruitless in my internet searches.

    it's either a CATS or CATO (you'll see...) and besides that it says "Carbon Composite" on the top tube, "The Ultimate Bicycles" on the headtube, and "German Design" with a circle of stars on the seattube. It's full carbon and super light. I assume by the saved-by-the-bell decals that it is probably from the late 80's or early/mid 90's. any help is appreciated, thanks!






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    The tube junctions and monostay look Trekish, but that's just a guess. How well does it ride?
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    C.A.T.S.

    Carbon All Terrain Systems?

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    Its a Bik... well a relabled Bik for another brand but still the same...

    This was my Mountain Bik when I had it built up (I sold the frame to a collector for six times what I paid for it several years ago).

    <img src="https://yoda.densan.ca/kmr/bikes/uglybik2.jpg">

    Search in the archives for Mountain Bik and you'll likely find one of my threads on the bike, which explained the company background.

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    i appreciate the heads up, DeeEight. when i search the archives for "Mountain Bik" i get everything about "mountain bike" and "mountain biking" i also just looked through the titles of every thread that comes up you started (180 or so) and no mention of a Mountain Bik, so i wonder if it's just been pushed out the back.

    when i search for "Mountain Bik" on google i get the same results as here, and when i try to exclude the terms "bike" and "biking" i just end up with a bunch of misspellings of mountain bike...

    is there any more information you can give me? thanks!

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    Except for the fact that it's carbon I don't see many similarities to D8's bike. Different model year?
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    A Giant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mainlyfats
    A Giant?
    thats what I was thinkin..the MCS or something like that.. I've got one, I'll look for a pic.

    edit: I was thinking of Raleigh..not the same.
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    I had one like it that was from the late 80's and the original owner/company guy told me it was made by 'Advanced' in Taiwan. Around that time I was under the impression that they also made the carbon frames for Giant. Later, when I was on a similar Giant frame the same guy said it was ' like the one I got from him '. I remember a small company that bought 2" square ads in the back pages as CATO from around then.

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    Hmmmm, it requires searching into the old mtbr archives, look for the word "uglybik" which is what I named the thing. The only thing you'll find with the regular advanced search of the current forum database is the thread for the UglyTi that replaced it in my collection which was late 2004.

    Short version is there was an american company which manufactured carbon bike frames in the 1980s for various brands (Trek, Bik, etc). The designers had a falling out over whether one-piece monocoques were better or three-piece lugged and bonded assemblies. The manufacturer broke up and the Mono-boys became Kestrel and the other guys became Aegis.

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    Here's a shot of repackpioneer's Giant frame. There seems to be considerable similarity.
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    We need mtnwing to chime in, he's the obscure carbon frame expert round here. Also a clearer picture with better lighting would help a lot.

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    CATS were often sold here in Germany in the early nineties, often 200GS crap out of taiwan, the XT models were good parts donator cause of the low price.

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    here are some close-up pics of various parts of the frame. sorry for the dirt and dust, it's been sitting for a while.


















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    cats it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by nordstadt
    CATS were often sold here in Germany in the early nineties, often 200GS crap out of taiwan, the XT models were good parts donator cause of the low price.

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    i assume by 200GS you are referring to the component group? i'm not too concerned about the components as they are long gone. if you say the XT models were good parts donators does that mean that the frames were crap? what was wrong with them? it certainly isn't a heavy frame... and hasn't broken so far, though it's definitely been ridden a lot.

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    I co-founded the ad agency - Iguana Advertising - that marketed the "bik" line in the early nineties. They were manufactured by the same firm in Van Buren, Maine that has evolved into the company which produces Aegis frames. The lead designer was frame-builder Peter Oullette, in Long Meadow, Mass. who was also was helping Columbia revamp their product line-up at the same time. The bike was fabricated using an anisometric layup over a bladder, in contrast to the clamshell technique that Kestrel was using at the time. Another signature of the bik frames was the internally binding seat post bolt. Their road frames used a curved seat tube hat offered a non-linear vaiable top tube length, helping bik cover more rider sizes with fewer frame sizes. IIRC, the first gen MTB frame design used an e-stay.

    The first frame graphics were neon color drops on a metallic gray base color. We created the original art for the decals by dropping black india ink onto a clean sheet of art paper from atop a five foot step ladder. The type and graphics were intended to look utlitarian. At the time, we also had Tange and Tiogas as clients. We set up an e-stay bik with a Tange switchblade fork and Tioga disc wheel, that made a hell of a sexy bike in its day.

    The bik frames never really took off. As creative director, that was probably my fault. :-)

    Somewhere I have a bunch of old brochures and ad slicks we put together for Interbike.

    DeeEight - are you an east coast guy? We were in the Boston burbs when we started on the project.
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    yeah my bike has an external seatpost clamp, so it must not be a Bik...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wearyourtruth
    yeah my bike has an external seatpost clamp, so it must not be a Bik...
    They may have changed designs to an external binder, the internal binder at that time had issues.

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    Great info,

    Quote Originally Posted by thinkcooper
    I co-founded the ad agency - Iguana Advertising - that marketed the "bik" line in the early nineties. They were manufactured by the same firm in Van Buren, Maine that has evolved into the company which produces Aegis frames. The lead designer was frame-builder Peter Oullette, in Long Meadow, Mass. who was also was helping Columbia revamp their product line-up at the same time. The bike was fabricated using an anisometric layup over a bladder, in contrast to the clamshell technique that Kestrel was using at the time. Another signature of the bik frames was the internally binding seat post bolt. Their road frames used a curved seat tube hat offered a non-linear vaiable top tube length, helping bik cover more rider sizes with fewer frame sizes. IIRC, the first gen MTB frame design used an e-stay.

    The first frame graphics were neon color drops on a metallic gray base color. We created the original art for the decals by dropping black india ink onto a clean sheet of art paper from atop a five foot step ladder. The type and graphics were intended to look utlitarian. At the time, we also had Tange and Tiogas as clients. We set up an e-stay bik with a Tange switchblade fork and Tioga disc wheel, that made a hell of a sexy bike in its day.

    The bik frames never really took off. As creative director, that was probably my fault. :-)

    Somewhere I have a bunch of old brochures and ad slicks we put together for Interbike.

    DeeEight - are you an east coast guy? We were in the Boston burbs when we started on the project.
    That's the kind of info. that makes reading this forum worthwhile. It looks like Aegis still has a bike, the Pro-Axe, that looks similar to the one in the original post.

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    https://www.aegisbicycles.com/proaxe.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1
    That's the kind of info. that makes reading this forum worthwhile. It looks like Aegis still has a bike, the Pro-Axe, that looks similar to the one in the original post.
    Glad to be able to contribute!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wearyourtruth
    i assume by 200GS you are referring to the component group? i'm not too concerned about the components as they are long gone. if you say the XT models were good parts donators does that mean that the frames were crap? what was wrong with them? it certainly isn't a heavy frame... and hasn't broken so far, though it's definitely been ridden a lot.
    Jip I meant the Group - the steel Bikes were a bit heavy and not very easy to handle - cheap mass market bike overseas it would mean Huffy...

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