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  • 02-01-2010
    crconsulting
    Cunningham/Potts Content
    Since I had the camera out today




  • 02-01-2010
    colker1
    wow... :)
  • 02-01-2010
    colker1
    couple questions:
    i see the cunningham w/ longer cstays. how do each rides compared w/ the other?

    what's the deal w/ a canti up front and the RCs in the back? front braking is where it counts... why not have the best brake up front?
  • 02-01-2010
    crconsulting
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by colker1
    couple questions:
    I see the cunningham w/ longer cstays. how do each rides compared w/ the other

    That Cunningham is WAY more stretched out. Top tube is much longer along with the stays. Hence the shorter stem. Also puts much more weight on the rear wheel. Bike steers slower but is real real nice on long sweeping fire trails. That's really the terrain that bike was designed for. It's older than the Potts too. But all Cunninghams are different anyways. No two are the same. When I talked to Charlie about the geometry on that particular bike he told me It was loosely based on the excelsior's geometry

    The Potts is more nimble. An evolution of sorts as far as geometry is concerned. Really a joy to ride. Definitely better on the singletracks. A good "all rounder". Steel makes it slightly more compliant/comfortable too.

    Comparing those two, You can see the evolution of what people also rode on. From long sweeping fire trails to more extreme terrain as time went on.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by colker1
    what's the deal w/ a canti up front and the RCs in the back? front braking is where it counts... why not have the best brake up front?

    Bike actually was ordered like that not sure what the rationale was besides cost. None the less I recently made the decision to have roller cams put on the front. Probably will drop the fork off to Charlie sometime this week. Figured I would get some before and after shots.
  • 02-02-2010
    bushpig
    There we go!
  • 02-02-2010
    Dr S
    If I could have one more bike in my time it would be a Cunningham. So far ahead of the game. Really beautiful bikes. if anyone would like to sell one....??

    Cool as.:cool:
  • 02-02-2010
    Gabrielus
    That Cunningham is an old one. I think we met on a trail a long time ago.
  • 02-02-2010
    diver160651
    What ever Happen to Cunningham? Point Reyes Bikes had a couple on their floor in the day. It was my dream bike - I think I was near 20 -- and just spent all my money on my race bikes.. could only afford to up-graded my mtb with WTB parts hubs, breaks, hand cut down bontragers, etc, BUT dreamed of buying the Cunningham. Today I wish I bought the Cunningham instead!!

    What at they selling for today?
  • 02-02-2010
    crconsulting
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gabrielus
    That Cunningham is an old one. I think we met on a trail a long time ago.

    Huh?

    where at?
  • 02-02-2010
    crconsulting
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by diver160651
    What ever Happen to Cunningham?

    Still around, Still riding, Doesn't build frames though.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by diver160651
    Point Reyes Bikes had a couple on their floor in the day. It was my dream bike - I think I was near 20 -- and just spent all my money on my race bikes.. could only afford to up-graded my mtb with WTB parts hubs, breaks, hand cut down bontragers, etc, BUT dreamed of buying the Cunningham. Today I wish I bought the Cunningham instead!!

    Funny I was just mentioning to someone how those bikes (and a lot of other C'hams in retail channels) sat for quite a long time before being sold. It was very difficult to pony up 4000.00+ in the late 80's early 90's You could still buy a house in the bay area for 20k or so. Many vintage mountain bike "experts" today weren't old enough (or even living in the bay area) to remember these things.

    Many of those bikes sat in retail channels unsold for years. Some to be reconsigned to other shops. in "upgraded" configurations.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by diver160651
    What are they selling for today?

    I guess what ever the market will bear. Mine's not going anywhere. Took me ten years to track this bike down. I saw it on the showroom floor ten years before I bought it. Like you I couldn't afford it at the time. Ten years and at least three owners later it was mine.
  • 02-02-2010
    mechagouki
    That Potts is such a beautiful bike, it's just all there. it epitomises VRC for me.

    Didn't you use to have blackwall 'raptors and a modern WTB seat on it? I liked that contrast of old and new, (not that it doesn't look awesome now).

    EDIT: Here you go.............

  • 02-02-2010
    diver160651
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crconsulting
    Still around, Still riding, Doesn't build frames though.



    Funny I was just mentioning to someone how those bikes (and a lot of other C'hams in retail channels) sat for quite a long time before being sold. It was very difficult to pony up 4000.00+ in the late 80's early 90's You could still buy a house in the bay area for 20k or so. Many vintage mountain bike "experts" today weren't old enough (or even living in the bay area) to remember these things.

    Many of those bikes sat in retail channels unsold for years. Some to be reconsigned to other shops. in "upgraded" configurations.




    I guess what ever the market will bear. Mine's not going anywhere. Took me ten years to track this bike down. I saw it on the showroom floor ten years before I bought it. Like you I couldn't afford it at the time. Ten years and at least three owners later it was mine.

    Thank for the info -- you certainly have a gem. I desperately wanted the configuration with the dropped bars! -- Have they doubled, tripled in price?
  • 02-02-2010
    Shayne
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mechagouki
    Didn't you use to have blackwall 'raptors and a modern WTB seat on it? I liked that contrast of old and new, (not that it doesn't look awesome now).

    You missed the most important change
  • 02-02-2010
    mechagouki
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Shayne
    You missed the most important change

    WTB post? I noticed that, to be honest I liked the black offset post more, but I do understand how much more appropriate the current post is for the bike.
  • 02-02-2010
    wv_bob
    Do 'hams have a replaceable hanger? Imagine shelling out $4k for one, catching a stick in the derailleur, and bending the hanger beyond repair.:madman:

    I could afford to spend $4k on a bike now, but would never part with that kind of money for one - although bike magazines and web forums talk about bikes at that price point as though they're entry level. :).
  • 02-02-2010
    wv_bob
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by diver160651
    Have they doubled, tripled in price?

    If you search this forum you may be able to find a thread recognizing one that sold on e-bay for an outrageous sum.
  • 02-02-2010
    mainlyfats
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dr S
    If I could have one more bike in my time it would be a Cunningham. So far ahead of the game. Really beautiful bikes. if anyone would like to sell one....??

    Cool as.:cool:

    Cunningham and "really beautiful"? Really? How about sexyugly?

    While I respect every aspect of CC's enormous contribution to mountain biking, my eyes tell me that the Cunningham doesn't really rate in the beauty contest.

    I mean, I can barely see it when it's next to a knock-out Potts like that - no comparison.

    YMMV.
  • 02-02-2010
    Fillet-brazed
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wv_bob
    Do 'hams have a replaceable hanger? Imagine shelling out $4k for one, catching a stick in the derailleur, and bending the hanger beyond repair.:madman:

    I could afford to spend $4k on a bike now, but would never part with that kind of money for one - although bike magazines and web forums talk about bikes at that price point as though they're entry level. :).


    no replaceable hanger, but with rear entry dropouts it's pretty much a non-issue.

    CRC, great bikes and nice shots of them together. It's cool to see those two together like that as the two builders worked so closely together themselves.
  • 02-02-2010
    Fillet-brazed
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mainlyfats
    Cunningham and "really beautiful"? Really? How about sexyugly?

    While I respect every aspect of CC's enormous contribution to mountain biking, my eyes tell me that the Cunningham doesn't really rate in the beauty contest.

    I mean, I can barely see it when it's next to a knock-out Potts like that - no comparison.

    YMMV.


    It's a beautiful machine to me. But even more beautiful when you realize it's nothing but pure function.
  • 02-02-2010
    benwitt11
    Those are just gorgeous. The Ham speaks for itself, and I love the color on that Potts.
  • 02-02-2010
    mainlyfats
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wv_bob
    Do 'hams have a replaceable hanger? Imagine shelling out $4k for one, catching a stick in the derailleur, and bending the hanger beyond repair.:madman:

    Break-away derailleur bolt?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wv_bob
    I could afford to spend $4k on a bike now, but would never part with that kind of money for one - although bike magazines and web forums talk about bikes at that price point as though they're entry level. :).

    I'd spent $4K+ on a bike, but it would have to go to a working framebuilder I was on a first name basis with for me to sleep well at night.
  • 02-02-2010
    halaburt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mainlyfats
    Break-away derailleur bolt?

    Nope... But very beefy. Cross-threading was probably a bigger worry than bending. Repairable (by Charlie) in either situation, but not something you'd like to see happen obviously.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mainlyfats
    'd spent $4K+ on a bike, but it would have to go to a working framebuilder I was on a first name basis with for me to sleep well at night.

    The "$4k" was in 1980's dollars. It's a moot point, but if there were new Cunninghams today, they would surely be into the 5-figure range.
  • 02-02-2010
    benwitt11
    Quote:

    The "$4k" was in 1980's dollars. It's a moot point, but if there were new Cunninghams today, they would surely be into the 5-figure range.
    Personally I think that Steve's bikes are the closest thing to what Cunningham's bikes were back in the day. Kitted out in the like manner with the strongest, lightest, and highest quality parts available made currently, I have no doubt at all it'd be over 10k. What a bike though...
  • 02-02-2010
    wv_bob
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    no replaceable hanger, but with rear entry dropouts it's pretty much a non-issue..

    Now I have to go find pictures so I understand .. thanks for the motivation.
  • 02-02-2010
    halaburt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wv_bob
    Now I have to go find pictures so I understand .. thanks for the motivation.

  • 02-02-2010
    Fillet-brazed
    a lot more meat this way on the hanger extension (and perhaps protected a little more):

    <img src="https://cunninghambikes.com/images/stories/bicycles/010/DSC02304-1.jpg">
  • 02-02-2010
    wv_bob
    I see they're beefier than most but don't see how rear-entry plays into it except that it let the hanger be wider up until it becomes dropout - which is probably what you meant. Thanks for the photos, I was looking at them over at tastydirty too.
  • 02-02-2010
    mechagouki
    Definitely stronger, but I always found wheel removal/insertion on both the KLEINs I've owned to be something of a PITA.
  • 02-02-2010
    Fillet-brazed
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wv_bob
    I see they're beefier than most but don't see how rear-entry plays into it except that it let the hanger be wider up until it becomes dropout - which is probably what you meant. Thanks for the photos, I was looking at them over at tastydirty too.


    shorter and thicker I would say are the possibilities with the rear entry dropout. not to mention it's not dangling so far back I don't think...

    https://www.pearcecycles.co.uk/image...er_f_large.jpg

    and yes, wheel removal and insertion is a little more difficult.
  • 02-02-2010
    crconsulting
    [QUOTE=mainlyfats]Cunningham and "really beautiful"? Really? How about sexyugly?
    my eyes tell me that the Cunningham doesn't really rate in the beauty contest. /QUOTE]

    Form Follows Function and Function is Beauty........
  • 02-02-2010
    mainlyfats
    [QUOTE=crconsulting]
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mainlyfats
    Cunningham and "really beautiful"? Really? How about sexyugly?
    my eyes tell me that the Cunningham doesn't really rate in the beauty contest. /QUOTE]

    Form Follows Function and Function is Beauty........

    Says the man who has one of each...

    OK - you win! :thumbsup:
  • 02-03-2010
    Gabrielus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crconsulting
    Huh?

    where at?

    deer park trail in 1996 we literaly ran into each other I was riding my orange salsa

    check your pm's
  • 02-03-2010
    Rumpfy
    CR, whats you address and when are you not home?
  • 02-03-2010
    Rumpfy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by diver160651
    Thank for the info -- you certainly have a gem. I desperately wanted the configuration with the dropped bars! -- Have they doubled, tripled in price?


    Five digits with a long line of aggressive connected collector/hunters. Basically, you have little chance.
  • 02-03-2010
    colker1
    2x post... sorry.
  • 02-03-2010
    colker1
    that green Potts... that is THE mountain bike. end of story.:cool:
  • 02-03-2010
    crconsulting
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    CR, whats you address and when are you not home?


    LOL! Come on over, that's the best part about working form home.....
    I get to shoot all intruders and feed them to Bruno, he hasnt been fed in a while and he LOVES fresh young chicken meat :p

  • 02-03-2010
    crconsulting
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Five digits with a long line of aggressive connected collector/hunters. Basically, you have little chance.


    Just like the lottery everybody gets a chance though,

    Keep your eyes open, you never know when you'll see one on a train or something. :D
  • 02-03-2010
    tductape
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crconsulting
    LOL! Come on over, that's the best part about working form home.....
    I get to shoot all intruders and feed them to Bruno, he hasnt been fed in a while and he LOVES fresh young chicken meat :p



    CR, I was doing a checkride today with one of my delivery drivers. Thank goodness that old rotten clothesline your dog was tied to didn't break. At least your house looked nice enough that I know you had good homeowners insurance (about an instant $2k to settle out of court with homeowners Ins. Co. when dog bites delivery driver. At least from what my drivers tell me). Oh yea, my driver was so startled he threw the package with the WTB brake you won off the bay up on your roof ........

    I love this photo......


    Cheers
    T
  • 02-04-2010
    RobynC
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Five digits with a long line of aggressive connected collector/hunters. Basically, you have little chance.

    But you can proudly wear this T-shirt....
  • 02-04-2010
    bushpig
    Lol
  • 02-04-2010
    Rumpfy
    haha!
  • 02-04-2010
    bushpig
    Pics of about 30 Cunninghams here.
    http://cunninghambikes.com/bicycles.html