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    Alpinestars, Goin' downhill circa 1995

    This Alpinestars bike shows how far we have come in 15 short years. This was considered a downhill back in 1995 sporting the optional "long travel" downhill version of the Rock Shox Judy with a whopping 75mm of travel. These days, 75mm would be considered a short travel cross country racing bike. The average downhill bike these days has somewhere aroudn 3 to 4 times the travel of this one. Fairly clean bike featuring the last production year of the original XTR components. I still think the original XTR is the best looking component group ever built for mountain bikes. The polished and clear anodized aluminum parts just have a nice "glow" to them that is lost with all the gray and black parts of today. I suppose at some point in time silver will make a comeback?









    Full specs at https://www.mombat.org/1995_Alpinestars.htm

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    Why didn't you line the modern tires up with the valve stems?
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    Dh?

    Funny where technology has gone in 15 years!

    That really looks more like an XC bike if it weren't for the big rings and lack of a granny gear.

    Looking at that rear brake setup reminded me of a question I had after reading Sheldon Brown's article on cantilever geometry at:

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/cantilever-geometry.html

    How do you determine the correct length straddle cable for Shimano low profile canti's?

    I have a set of M737 canti's and I am not sure which to order?

    S 63 mm
    A 73 mm
    B 82 mm
    C 106 mm
    D 93 mm

    Any insight from the cantilever experts?

    Sorry for the hijack, like the bike. Wonder why no one has jumped down your throat for posting an FS bike here!

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    M90X crank is definitely the nicest mtb crank Shimano has made, not so keen on the rear derailleur - always looks a bit 105 to me.

    That frame looks like a whole slew of cracks waiting to happen - were these any more durable than other Easton tubed bikes of this era?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Why didn't you line the modern tires up with the valve stems?
    Mostly because the were already mounted and I just didn't care enough on this bike to take them off

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    Quote Originally Posted by mechagouki
    That frame looks like a whole slew of cracks waiting to happen - were these any more durable than other Easton tubed bikes of this era?
    When we wiped it off, we didn't see any cracks.

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    I wanted those rims back in the day!

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    Ti pad holders

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    Ti pad holders

    OEM XTR
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    Better suited to non-aggressive 125# gals named Russell.
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    The rocker pivot on the seat tube looks pretty cheap and nasty and looking at the minimal welds I'd say a likely failure point.
    More bikes than you can point a broken spoke at...

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    Cool

    As always thanks for sharing!

    What's funny to me is what downhill MTB racing was considered back in the day of this bike - some single track with a lots of cat track (for those in non-ski areas- a fire road). I wonder if some of yesterday's downhill stars would be stars on today's courses. Big chainrings and aero suits. Heck the UCI banned skin suits for downhill racing just recently - why, because of dumb crap like this:

    "The wearing of skinsuits has been a point of contention over the last year (2008), notably in the Australian round of the mountain bike world cup where Tracy Moseley, wearing a skinsuit, won the women’s race by four seconds from Rachel Atherton.

    Atherton wasn't happy that Moseley used a skinsuit, which being much more aerodynamic than loose clothing, would have given her an advantage.

    "Fair enough to Tracy if she wants to do that to win, but for the sport and the longevity of the sport, to wear cool race kit and to make an image for yourself is more important than the odd win here and there," said Atherton



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    John Tomac, Philipe Perakis, and others were wearing skin suits in the mid-90s DH racing. Funny how it was good enough for all the racers back then, who were often in tight light as well, but now? Oh its cheating.

    Also the Ti eye bolt holders for the cantilevers were not stock XTR, they were most like TNT or SRP. Shimano didn't begin using titanium on any group until the 1996 XTR.

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    I think skin suits should be manditory in the womens class.
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    Horst link?

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    Yes Horst Link.
    More bikes than you can point a broken spoke at...

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    The HL patent expires in 4 years as an aside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    The HL patent expires in 4 years as an aside.
    It will be interesting to see how many manufacturers stay with the DW link after the HL patents expire. I wonder if Specialisized will figure out some way to extend some portion of the patent and continue to squash inovation. Ellsworth has the ICT patent that doesn't expire until 2025, and DW link doesn't expire until 2023, so we won't really know which one the free market chooses until after then.
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    How did Ellsworth get the ICT patent to extend to 2025? Under current US Patent law, at most it should be 20 years from its issue date. What was the ICT patent granted? I'm pretty sure it dates from the late-90s also. The ICT patent likely wouldn't survive a determined court challenge as its decades old suspension theory behind it, and anybody with a few dollars spent towards say, the right suspension engineer and the right patent lawyer could show a judge how all TE did was reinvent something that was in the public domain (technically under patent law, just because its for a bicycle doesn't somehow make it a new invention).

    I checked, TE used the old submarine patent trick to try and extend the issue date of the patent, unfortunetly not knowing that since 1995 that no longer actually works in the USA. For continuation patent filings (which the ICT one was), the expiry date is 20 years from the earliest application date (which was 1999), which puts the expiry in 2019.
    Last edited by DeeEight; 02-13-2010 at 11:27 PM.

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    DeeEight,
    My bad, just did a quick search on Google patents for Ellsworth suspension and the first thing found was from 2005. I didn't have time to read as I needed to get kids ready for sleepovers so the wife and I could have an afternoon and evening together!

    Your point on defending the ICT patent is a good one and I sometimes think it applies to the HL patent also. Four bar linkages a have been around for a long time and the HL isn't all that much different than the front suspension on most cars. That's one of the reasons I don't have patents on my designs (which are not bike related at all).
    Mountain bikers, hikers and horseback riders are not the enemy. Bulldozers are the enemy.

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