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    All things Mantis...

    In conversations with people, Mantis seems to be one of the most sought after classic brands, along with Yeti & Fat Chance. I suppose it makes sense geographically, and with respect to their focus. Mantis being the cool west coast builder making wild innovative strides, Fat Chance being the east coast builder making traditional, almost puritanical, but equally masterful bike art, and Yeti, right in the middle, offering a (possibly more) stable balance of innovation and quality.

    Well, it only seems fitting, we have good Yeti & Fat threads, and I know there are a few members here who have Mantiss, and many others who like em. Plus, there's the small matter of my friends polished one, which is up on ebay at the moment, due to a suprise addition to the family...

    A photo of my own work in progress, which I'll update as it nears completion...
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    The one on eBay looks nice. A bit pricey, but nice.

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    okay okay

    Yep, I know, I have some explaining to do. I figured seeing as how it's a 2nd generation Mantis (full aluminum), it was okay to build & ride it, after 10 years of waiting patiently in its box. Of course, it was horribly tempting to go crazy with Record OR and Grafton & Ringle bits, but I got to thinking, I'd sure like a bike I could actaully ride without worrying about. An xc softail with discs, a sturdy front end, but still light enough to climb, for colorado trail riding. I love to climb, but all the light climbing bikes I've had never descend worth a dang, and are even pretty scary in singletrack at speed. Usually it's due to the flimsy rockshox & superlight wheels. More than anything, I hate a wandering front end. The Mavic XL's are plenty light, with alum spokes, but excessively strong and stiff, with the straightpulls & 20mm thru, and the Marzocchi is built like a battleship. The fork rides about 1/2 height under sag, which doesn't screw up the geometry TOO bad, and has a quick lockout valve which settles about there and then locks in for long climbs. The rest of the build is a straightforward xc setup. So, it's a bike built to serve a specific purpose. Call it XC+. Not quite freeride, cause I don't jump off things, but should be good going fast for long periods at a time, over whatever comes up at fruita this year...

    fsp

    > Subject: New Skool!

    > Pete,

    > New Pro-Floater with big time fork, Shimano dual
    > control, carbon riser bar? How can you call yourself
    > Old Skool? Where are the thumbshifters? Where is the
    > 2" of front travel? Where's the campy?
    > Enjoy the freeride,

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    if james bond rode a mtn bike...

    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    In conversations with people, Mantis seems to be one of the most sought after classic brands, along with Yeti & Fat Chance. I suppose it makes sense geographically, and with respect to their focus. Mantis being the cool west coast builder making wild innovative strides, Fat Chance being the east coast builder making traditional, almost puritanical, but equally masterful bike art, and Yeti, right in the middle, offering a (possibly more) stable balance of innovation and quality.

    Well, it only seems fitting, we have good Yeti & Fat threads, and I know there are a few members here who have Mantiss, and many others who like em. Plus, there's the small matter of my friends polished one, which is up on ebay at the moment, due to a suprise addition to the family...

    A photo of my own work in progress, which I'll update as it nears completion...
    this would be it..
    did you machine a disc tab on rear?

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    double-o cunningham

    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    this would be it..
    did you machine a disc tab on rear?
    Yep, had it cnc'd from 7075. 4 parts, 2 adjustable blocks on the inside, and two side plates to sandwich it all together around the hollow triangular dropout via a pair of chainring bolts, and the brakes own 2 mounting bolts. Allows for a bit of adjustability, and directs the load vertically onto the lower, more horizontal surface, instead of the thin angle brace above. Goes something like this...
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    Early Valkyrie

    I have a late 80's x-Framed Valkyrie that I would love to show off but how do you post pics here? Any help would be appreciated. I tried to upload them as an attachment but I don't know if it will work.
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    Bonking ... not feelin' well

    Well I guess it did work. I will have to post some more pics. Unfortunately this frame has sat as a frame for the past 5 years after having a cracked stay repaired by Wade from Vulture Cycles. I think that she is starting to feel a little neglected.

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    Memories...

    Quote Originally Posted by AKamp
    I have a late 80's x-Framed Valkyrie that I would love to show off but how do you post pics here? Any help would be appreciated. I tried to upload them as an attachment but I don't know if it will work.
    The Mantis Valkyries was one bike I definitely lusted after, mostly due to the looks, the trendy elevated chainstays and the promise of more standover height for my short self. If you get it built up, please post a pic and if anyone else already has one built up, likewise, let's see that beauty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by surlyVEE
    The Mantis Valkyries was one bike I definitely lusted after, mostly due to the looks, the trendy elevated chainstays and the promise of more standover height for my short self. If you get it built up, please post a pic and if anyone else already has one built up, likewise, let's see that beauty!
    We have a nice Valkyrie pictured @ http://www.firstflightbikes.com/1991...s_Valkyrie.htm

    and an earlier Mantis Sherpa @
    http://www.firstflightbikes.com/1983_Mantis_Sherpa.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    In conversations with people, Mantis seems to be one of the most sought after classic brands, along with Yeti & Fat Chance. I suppose it makes sense geographically, and with respect to their focus. Mantis being the cool west coast builder making wild innovative strides, Fat Chance being the east coast builder making traditional, almost puritanical, but equally masterful bike art, and Yeti, right in the middle, offering a (possibly more) stable balance of innovation and quality.

    Well, it only seems fitting, we have good Yeti & Fat threads, and I know there are a few members here who have Mantiss, and many others who like em. Plus, there's the small matter of my friends polished one, which is up on ebay at the moment, due to a suprise addition to the family...

    A photo of my own work in progress, which I'll update as it nears completion...
    Lovely bike.

    Do you still have your Trimble?

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    Screaming V

    Here's some shots of my Screaming V. Sadly, it won't be mine much longer as I've just sold it. A great ride...
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    Mantis

    Hangin' out with Richard C. back in the day was one of the highlights of my MTB experience! Going out on our trice weekly rides was often spectacular.

    RC built frames for me, and I managed to break 'em from time to time. He considered me his "big test rider". At 6'5" and currently 238lbs. (200 at the time) I have no chance to disagree. Just one of those times in my life I would certainly like to re-live.

    Those were the days, my friend!

    Rolled down white sox, Tomac hi-top shoes, clips and straps......wow. And a double chainring to boot.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkullCrack
    Here's some shots of my Screaming V. Sadly, it won't be mine much longer as I've just sold it. A great ride...
    you didn't happen to sell it to Tucker did you?

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    Holy smokes. You know, I used to dream about your life, whilst poring over mba's woefully in my Wisconsin ice-cave 9 months at a stretch. I'll bet you have some interesting pics...

    Nice Photo, I'd frame that too! Tanks for the Mamries!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    you didn't happen to sell it to Tucker did you?
    I was sooo going to say the same thing!
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    Me?

    I'm intrigued at your post, don't know whether to say thank you or QQQQ.

    Mateo



    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    Holy smokes. You know, I used to dream about your life, whilst poring over mba's woefully in my Wisconsin ice-cave 9 months at a stretch. I'll bet you have some interesting pics...

    Nice Photo, I'd frame that too! Tanks for the Mamries!

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    Idea! Pics of the 93 ProFloater

    For those of you that requested em, here they are. I'll delete this post within 24 hours, cause such a big pile of graphics will likely choke the thread, & needlessly take up a bunch of space on mtbr's server. In the mean time, here it is...
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    Poof floater

    The ProFloater era arrived, and Mantis, as we knew it....ended.








    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    For those of you that requested em, here they are. I'll delete this post within 24 hours, cause such a big pile of graphics will likely choke the thread, & needlessly take up a bunch of space on mtbr's server. In the mean time, here it is...

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    Ach!

    What? Seriously? I kinda thought it was an extension of where he was going with the stiff front/ soft rear theory of the beautiful xcr & flying v frames. Kinda suprised he reverted back to tubing for the proflo's front triangle though. Seems like the flying's monocoque front would have slipped right into place. That'd have been one wild looking bike. Can you imagine a more expensive bike to make?

    ...Shayne, don't you have some pics to post, to fill us in in the middle era?

    I thought the end was when the fellas who snagged critical racing and (joes or crystal?) bought em, shut em down, and subbed out full alum copies instead.

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    It is still the right XC profile for a dually

    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    For those of you that requested em, here they are. I'll delete this post within 24 hours, cause such a big pile of graphics will likely choke the thread, & needlessly take up a bunch of space on mtbr's server. In the mean time, here it is...
    Man, that's still the profile that I expect with a XC-FS machine to this day. Would love to see/ride one of 'em, but living in Indiana makes that next to impossible.

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    my xcr

    a pix of my XCR, the components are not vintage, but it's fine....for me!!
    any comment.....
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    Andrea

    PS in few days I will post other my Mnatis frames.....
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    Wooooah, that is one wild ride Andrea! Is that finish original? That is spectacular. I'd be curious to see the componentry rundown. Ird brakes & Cooks cranks? Very cool indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    Wooooah, that is one wild ride Andrea! Is that finish original? That is spectacular. I'd be curious to see the componentry rundown. Ird brakes & Cooks cranks? Very cool indeed.

    Hi Pete,

    The fork is Tange,
    king headset
    Ringle post and stem
    Cook F crank
    Paul brake and lever
    Sram shift and rear der.
    XT front der
    Hyperlite bar
    ringle ? wheel set with Salsa skewers, but I would change it with Machine Tech
    Onza porc's tires

    for any question feel free to contact me.

    Ciao

    Andrea

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    Smile

    There's the happy looking fellow...
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    here are my two Insects

    a MANTIS XCR and a MANTIS XCR EC that I both bought at Cambria Bicycle Outfitters back in 1987 and 1989
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    Ok, Ok, I'm here now...

    Sorry dont have my pics readily available at the moment. If anybody has any Mantis questions though I have lots of answers.

    I'll try to post some pics tonight or tomorrow.

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    Green machine...

    A beautiful Flying V someone spingled.
    WHY WHY WHY???
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    The bigger question is where is the rigid fork and stem

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    yesssss

    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    The bigger question is where is the rigid fork and stem
    Righto. Like this one!

    Uy, all I have are the same few pics everybody else has. We could really use some new imagery, eh?

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    Mantis brochure '96

    I've also got the one from '95 and a price list. Just let me know if anyone is interested in me posting it.
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    ... and if we just ... Go to town man!

    Quote Originally Posted by SkullCrack
    I've also got the one from '95 and a price list. Just let me know if anyone is interested in me posting it.
    Holy guacamole. Yes please! That's stunning. A beautiful scanjob too!
    *****innnnnnnnnnnn

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    Mantis pricelist '95

    I'll get the '95 brochure up Tues or Wed. Until then, here's the pricelist.
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    '95 catalog

    As promised, here's the catalog from 1995. I still laugh when I read where it says the Screaming V will be available 4/95. Try late summer '96, and I got one of the first ones.
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    And why wasnt it available in 4/95??

    Quote Originally Posted by SkullCrack
    As promised, here's the catalog from 1995. I still laugh when I read where it says the Screaming V will be available 4/95. Try late summer '96, and I got one of the first ones.
    There were prototypes in spring of 1994 that were 95% the same as the production version. I wonder why it took 2 years to start churning them out.

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    FB's Flying V (re)discovery.

    Ressurrected by FilletBrazed with love, moved to here by moi,

    Good heavens that is one small frame. 10"? Yeow...
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    Nope, that's a 16" frame

    16" was the smallest Flying V frame. If you scale out the pic assuming the cranks are 175mm then it measures out to 17"c-t of seattube.

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    More SV stuff

    I wish I had more on the earlier bikes. All I got is this Screaming V stuff, so here's some more. The review is from Bike magazine, and the photo is from the MBA review of the SV.
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    Wow.

    Quote Originally Posted by SkullCrack
    I wish I had more on the earlier bikes. All I got is this Screaming V stuff, so here's some more. The review is from Bike magazine, and the photo is from the MBA review of the SV.
    Woah, SkullCrack, another beautiful post. Thanks! I know Shayne must be itchin like mad now, with Screaming fever... Seeing as how we still don't have any photos from the man himself, here are a few pics of my ultimate dream bike. Not exactly my favorite finish, but still neat to see in such detail. & that's not the first one of these I've seen done similar to this either...
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    beats colnago geo huh?

    beeeaauutiifulll! ]

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    But Colnago's is a factory job...

    ...so I think that's still cooler. As are Kleins early 90's masterpeices. Anybody can ship their frame to a custom painter and have something neat done. This Flying-V and the stars and stripes XCR-EC are neat but I could send my Huffy to CycleArt or the like and have a frame that's just as purty.

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    Pretty cool, but it kinda renders the frame useless. Tell Leni to put in on canvas! Now that ti anodizing he does is another story.

    I sure wouldnt take that bike out on a good ride.

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    You ride a huffy?

    I dare you to prove otherwise!

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    F-ing right

    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    You ride a huffy?

    I dare you to prove otherwise!
    Serotta built 7-11 Team Huffy

    well rode, its gone now.

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    ... and if we just ... Oh man,

    Ok, ya got me. I should have seen that one coming. Especially cause I used to have one too... South Club being nearby was pretty cool.

    Looks like I was wrong, this is the same frame as the one above, looks like an earlier stage in the process is all. I still dig the solid green. Or solid blue... Hm, seeing as how we're in a posting mood, and we all like pictures...

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    the main frame shape reminds me of, hmmm, of...

    a y trek! did mantis get any money from trek or is life a b*tch?

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    my Mantis 2

    Quote Originally Posted by alasa
    a pix of my XCR, the components are not vintage, but it's fine....for me!!
    any comment.....
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    Andrea

    PS in few days I will post other my Mnatis frames.....
    My Mantis......2
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    WHOOOOoooooly mackerel. I just bought that polished one (way above) back from my friend. Looking at your white one, makes me think maybe I should keep it...

    The XCR is a beaut too. Campy Brakes & Suntour transmission?

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    components

    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    WHOOOOoooooly mackerel. I just bought that polished one (way above) back from my friend. Looking at your white one, makes me think maybe I should keep it...

    The XCR is a beaut too. Campy Brakes & Suntour transmission?
    Suntour trasmission and Grafton brakes.

    In few week I hope to post my valkyrie and my Flying V, but I have a lot of things to do!!

    Andrea

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    Wooooooah, yes, you've got a Flying!? I think that and the Trimble are my two favorite bikes of all time, ever, period. . So totally out on a limb pushing materials to their capacity, yet so beautiful, it's like watching form & function tango till they're sore...

    I acquired the Polished ProFloater back from my friend, and have it scheduled to be listed on ebay tonight starting at a far more reasonable price. We'll see...

    Drooling in anticipation of seeing your Flying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    Woah, SkullCrack, another beautiful post. Thanks! I know Shayne must be itchin like mad now, with Screaming fever... Seeing as how we still don't have any photos from the man himself, here are a few pics of my ultimate dream bike. Not exactly my favorite finish, but still neat to see in such detail. & that's not the first one of these I've seen done similar to this either...

    Wow!!!!!!!! Where can I get one with that paint job? I like that a lot!

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    Now, what's wrong with singles, eh?

    I had no idea you were form Lake Mills! I get over to that area about once a year to see freinds in MWKE. We'll have to try to hook up to ride John Muir(still haven't ridden there though). I'm from the Minneapolis area.

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    Cool! howdy neighbor! Yep, sure, i'd be up for a spin, whenever you (or heck, anyone) should wind up in my neck of the woods, feel free to le tme know, it'd be fun to show off the finest in Wi singletrack (eesh). John & Emma are the best we've got. Well the Cheguamegon 40 and the Fat Tire Tour Of Milwaukee are still the finest in midwest 1.9" entertainment (mostly for the people), but the kids in the south kettles can indeed be a rockin good time. And the quarry... oooooh don't get me started on the quarry... wow.

    ah, nothin against the spingles, I'm just too big a weenie, and have to blame the bike...

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    my flying V

    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    Wooooooah, yes, you've got a Flying!? I think that and the Trimble are my two favorite bikes of all time, ever, period. . So totally out on a limb pushing materials to their capacity, yet so beautiful, it's like watching form & function tango till they're sore...

    I acquired the Polished ProFloater back from my friend, and have it scheduled to be listed on ebay tonight starting at a far more reasonable price. We'll see...

    Drooling in anticipation of seeing your Flying.

    Hello Pete,
    my flying v.......
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    Nice looking frame...

    is that a 93 or 94 frame? Too bad you dont have the chrome fork on the front end that would make it very nice.

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    Flying V

    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    is that a 93 or 94 frame? Too bad you dont have the chrome fork on the front end that would make it very nice.
    I think '94 because '93 had the chrome seat collar. About the fork, I have not a straight blade, I have only a Logic chrome, with curve blade.I have it on my XCR!!!!!

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    Ok, ok, here's some pics finally

    An early XCR frame
    and an early to mid Flying V
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    Mantis production

    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    An early XCR frame
    and an early to mid Flying V
    Hi, have you an idea about the production number and year of the RC frames, XCR, Vakyrie, Flying V and Pro Floater 1?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    An early XCR frame
    and an early to mid Flying V
    Very cool XCR. I like it. Is that the original paint?

    About that monocoque, whats the purpose? Is it light? Good ride? Just for looks? I guess a camelback would be mandatory.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Very cool XCR. I like it. Is that the original paint?

    About that monocoque, whats the purpose? Is it light? Good ride? Just for looks? I guess a camelback would be mandatory.........
    No, not the original paint but the same color. It was refinished about 10 yrs ago.

    As for the Flying-V I have no idea what the reason behing it was other than to be different. It is not light...probably average for its day but deffinately heavier than the XCR. As far as the ride goes it rides about the same as an XCR-EC (Except for increased standover height). It you didin't look down you wouldn't know you were on it; nothing really distinct about the ride.

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    Oh man, I think I have that very issue of Bike kicking around at home somewhere. I was blown away by both the magazine and the content. That ScreamingV inspired some serious bike lust at the time - still does in fact....

    Guy I knew had one of those polished pro floaters - must have been one of very few in Australia - wonder what every happened to him/it....

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    Wow you guys. Those are some stunning Flying V's. I used to want one pretty bad, but now, it's going to be bloody the next time one shows up for sale.

    Andrea, that is some build! Whose cranks are those? If they're Breezers Lightning Rods, I'm going to keel over right here and now. Spectacolo.

    I'd love to see more of those Flying V's. I'm pretty sure it's my hands down favorite frame ever made, by anyone, anywhere (along with the Trimble).

    I put the ad up in the classifieds for the profloater disc adapters, if you want a set, let me know. Now's the time.

    In the mean time, this is Kurts Valkyrie from Minn. I think this is the best example of one I've seen. It may even be sporting a full Mavic drivetrain at the moment, which would make it EVEN AWESOMER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    Wow you guys. Those are some stunning Flying V's. I used to want one pretty bad, but now, it's going to be bloody the next time one shows up for sale.

    Andrea, that is some build! Whose cranks are those? If they're Breezers Lightning Rods, I'm going to keel over right here and now. Spectacolo.

    I'd love to see more of those Flying V's. I'm pretty sure it's my hands down favorite frame ever made, by anyone, anywhere (along with the Trimble).

    I put the ad up in the classifieds for the profloater disc adapters, if you want a set, let me know. Now's the time.

    In the mean time, this is Kurts Valkyrie from Minn. I think this is the best example of one I've seen. It may even be sporting a full Mavic drivetrain at the moment, which would make it EVEN AWESOMER.

    Hello Pete,
    I have bought this bike from Kurt, the last summer.
    I have make some change, asap I send you pix.

    Ciao

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    Late Pro-Floater

    This pic is from '98...its been stripped and built probably a dozen times since then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alasa
    Hello Pete,
    I have bought this bike from Kurt, the last summer.
    I have make some change, asap I send you pix.

    Ciao

    Andrea

    Had I known that Andrea had plans to buy every Mantis left in the world, I wouldn't have sold him mine a couple of years ago!!!

    I'm pretty sure that white ProFlo used to be red. Am I right Andrea? =]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine
    Had I known that Andrea had plans to buy every Mantis left in the world, I wouldn't have sold him mine a couple of years ago!!!

    I'm pretty sure that white ProFlo used to be red. Am I right Andrea? =]
    You are right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ciao

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    Wow, this thread is a blast from the past. I was the designer for Mantis from 1994 till its demise, through my design firm, Kinetic Design Group. I designed the Screaming V, as well as the revised Pro-Floater & Flying V (the CNC lugged versions). Thanks for the pictures, I had remarkably few for my portfolio. I never even scanned the blue brochure, and those are my drawings!

    Anybody know how I can get hold of a Screaming V? I have three prototype frames, but they aren't ridable. I 'loaned' mine to the owners when they were trying to sell the company back in '96, but of course I never got it back (ended up disappearing at Ross, of all places-so sad). I don't have a lot of cash to blow on it, but would love one. I've got one of the first prototype revised Pro-Floaters, plus my wife has the MB Action cover shot Flying V (it now has a revised rear end & metallic gray paint job, but R Cunningham himself told me it was the one).

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    I was reading this thread and thought "I used to ride one of those." Then I thought "hey, I still have one in a box somewhere."

    I quit riding it in '98 because the swingarm cracked. I would like any info on where I can get it fixed... also, if you want it, make an offer, I'm clearing out the garage. It's a medium.
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    Mantis Mass

    Here's some frame weights.

    2nd generation 18" Pro Floater frame with Noleen NR1, Salsa seatpost, seatpost collar, and r derailleur housing.....2804g or 6.16lbs

    XCR circa 1984 21" frame, fork, 125ish steel BB, seatpost collar, frame pump, shohlder strap, front and rear rollercams......2722g or 5.98lbs

    Flying V circa 1992 18" frame with 110ish steel BB and seatpost collar....2485g or 5.47lbs

    I was surprised to see how light the XCR was seeing as its half steel. The Suntour rollercams weighed in at 256g rear and 250g front. The steel fork was 833g..
    That brings us to a total of 1383g for frame, BB, frame pump, seatpost collar, and shoulder strap.
    That's 3.06lbs for a frame and steel BB from 1984. You'd be hard pressed to do that today....and a 21" frame to boot!

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    3.06 pounds for a 1984 half alum. half steel frame with a pump, bb, etc. sounds way to good to be true. I would bet those steel stays alone weigh 2.5 pounds.

    Are you sure on that?

    The lightest hardtail now is 1150 grams. Made of Scandium thats anodized not painted which saves another 100 grams. Thats about what youre saying the Mantis weighs.

    If its true, Im impressed. Ive got a Fisher CR-7 frame floating around here that feels closer to 5 pounds.

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    It appears I was off by a bit...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    3.06 pounds for a 1984 half alum. half steel frame with a pump, bb, etc. sounds way to good to be true. I would bet those steel stays alone weigh 2.5 pounds.

    Are you sure on that?

    The lightest hardtail now is 1150 grams. Made of Scandium thats anodized not painted which saves another 100 grams. Thats about what youre saying the Mantis weighs.

    If its true, Im impressed. Ive got a Fisher CR-7 frame floating around here that feels closer to 5 pounds.
    I must not have had the BB in the frame when I weighed it the first time. I reweighed the eniter package yesterday and it came to 2987g or 6.57lbs. So the 3.1lbs was probably the frame, seatpost collar, and shoulderstrap.

    Perhaps I'll reweight the whole thing as individual pieces next winter; it's such a pain in the ass to put it all back together.

    I had this frame built up with basically the same components as a Klein Attitude (size small) and the XCR was lighter. The only thing different in the build was the bars/stem which was a Salsa Pro Moto and Titec 118 on the XCR and the Klein had a 135mm MC1, and the seatpost where the Klein had an IRD and the XCR had a steel Campagnolo post.

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    Thats still quite impressive. Especially for steel stays and the fact that it was built in 84. You got me curious and I threw my 18" CR-7 on the scales and I got 6.5 pounds even with the press fit bb, an XT u brake, and no seatpost collar. I figure the U brake probably weighs around 300 grams and the bb probably weighs 150 grams or so. So that leaves the frame weighing right about 5.5lbs. Thats almost twice as much as yours. Maybe Gary used some low grade tubing in his rendition............

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    He did, ya. Well, not so much low-grade as just really really thick. The down tube for instance was about 40 thous thick. I sawed quite a few of those open. Shows how far aluminum has come in the years since. Now we can get most of the same desirable characteristics out of much much thinner tubing. Still, theres something to be said for impact resistance...

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    Anyone have or have pics of a Mantis made Pro Floater?

    I have only seen them in bike mags. Do any of you out there in reader land have one or some pics? Should have rivited on or screwed in cable stops and a seperate clamp on chome band seatpost clamp.

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    Um, I dont know if this is what you want, but click here, and go to page 4.
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    Thanks but...

    those catalogue scans are already located in this thread. And that would be a Control Tech made Profloater.

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    I'm confused about who produced batches of Pro Floaters. Obviously RC made some in house, then I heard that later (1995+) production was farmed out to Redline, and now Control Tech? Who exactly did what and when?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    those catalogue scans are already located in this thread. And that would be a Control Tech made Profloater.
    Eh, how about the one on first flight bikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwr
    I'm confused about who produced batches of Pro Floaters. Obviously RC made some in house, then I heard that later (1995+) production was farmed out to Redline, and now Control Tech? Who exactly did what and when?
    My early ProFlo was made by Kastan. Well, at least the swingarm was because it was stamped 'Kastan'.

    Can I just say, that blue Valkyrie that Andrea now owns is the best looking Mantis I've ever seen. Plus, it's in my size. Andrea, you have to sell it to me eventually, you know that, right?
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    Pro Floater Production

    RC and the Mantis crew made probably around 100 (1992-early1993) of them in house and they were totally overwelmed by demand so he had Redline(1993-1994) produce them to the tune of 200 or so per year. Redline built the majority of the frame with the Mantis folks providing fittings.
    After the sale of the company Control Tec was sourced to produce the Pro Floater and redesigned Flying V.

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    Getting closer

    That frame has a Redline built front triangle and a Control Tech rear triangle.

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    Jeff's at FirstFlight

    The one TheRedMantra suggested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine
    My early ProFlo was made by Kastan. Well, at least the swingarm was because it was stamped 'Kastan'.

    Can I just say, that blue Valkyrie that Andrea now owns is the best looking Mantis I've ever seen. Plus, it's in my size. Andrea, you have to sell it to me eventually, you know that, right?
    Hi, at this moment I dont sell my Valkyrie, in the future.........may be! I dont know!!

    Ciao

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    Hello from Italy. This is my mantis. Ciao alasa..sono arrivato pure io.
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    Holy Guacamole.

    That is gonna be hard to top... I think mine's going to wind up looking like this for some time...
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    Pretty nice looking bike

    Quote Originally Posted by tomac-ve
    Hello from Italy. This is my mantis. Ciao alasa..sono arrivato pure io.
    I sent you a private message as well

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    FSP- What brakes are those on the back of the Trimble in the background? MRC Powerlinks? Might you favor us with a closeup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uphiller
    FSP- What brakes are those on the back of the Trimble in the background? MRC Powerlinks? Might you favor us with a closeup?
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    Hey Up, sure, I'll post a couple pix in the Trimble thread...

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    well i was thinking of using my Mantis as a backup as I am picking up a new bike soon. After reading this thread i'm not sure if I should keep riding it or treat it like a vintage bike. It is a 95 polished chrome pro floater with the original paperwork. I have put about 4 thousand or so miles on it. I would be happy to post pictures but there seem to be a lot here already. My original Mantis came with Grip shifts but they bit the dust a good 2 years ago. anyway interesting thread. Also I notice the oil well on the Noleen shock on my bike resides below the coil.

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    Heck yeah, more pics. That's what we're here for. I'd treat it as a vintage rig at this point. Ride it when you really want to, but savor it while you've got it, cause when it's gone...

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    Cool! Just took it on a nice 3 hour ride through the Santa Monica Mountains. Waiting for my new ride so I will have 2 good bikes.

    Here's the pic.
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    Holy Cats Scoredog,
    You've even got the Critical Racing bits there & everything, eh, stem, brakes, seat collar, vurry nice... How much does that weigh? Nice fork too

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    I'd guess 25.5-26lbs the way it looks there

    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    Holy Cats Scoredog,
    You've even got the Critical Racing bits there & everything, eh, stem, brakes, seat collar, vurry nice... How much does that weigh? Nice fork too
    Although that rear shock is awesome (if it stays in one piece) it is a brick.
    Is that a NR-3 or NR-4?

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    How do I tell if it's a 3 or 4? I looked but couldn't see anything telling me which. I believe the bike weighs about 27pds but I was going to weigh it this weekend and now i have added incentive. I have put a fairly heavy cushioned saddle on it so that may bring the weight up some.

    btw if this shock was to bust, what would be the replacement for it?
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    My ProFloater

    Well, it took some digging to find this photo. I think I took it in'96. My PF is now sitting in front of me waiting to be built up. All I need now is a 9 speed cassette and chain. Originally, she was built XTR, XT shifters, Pauls Stoplights, Syncros ti Propost, Raceface Turbines, EFC with speed springs and 737 pedals.

    Now she'll have Grip Shift Betsy Shifters and rear, XTR front derailler, original Race Face cranks, Onza ti-bar ends, Avid Ultimate Levers (older machined ones), Kore Elite stem, Nuke Proof Atom Bomb Wheel Set. I still have my origianl Scott LFX Carbon handlebars (with a crushed end), and finally XT v-brakes. I still have the original Purple Anno. Stoplights -- but with the cable routing in the back as it is, they never had much power on this frame.
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    This right here (if the photo worked) is my current trailbike. Its a 93 Mantis Pro Floater, with the reinforced rear triangle that they came out with later on. On it is a newly added Marzocchi MX Comp brought down to the 1" steer tube. Aside from that, I have alot of classic components on it, all XTR, including some 7 speed XTR Sti's. The hubs are some classic White Industry hubs with some Mavic 217 rims on them. A control-tech stem with a bontrager flatbar, and a sella italia flite ti seat (i bent the ti rails on the original one). This is my current ride, its my dad's old racing bike so while I love the classic mantis frame, I have to be practical and upgrade some things (I'll have enough money to switch to 9 speed and some actual v brake levers for my v brakes, and im going to rebuild teh wheels with new rims). I love my mantis!

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    Wow, so much effort on such a successful failure. I have a mantis XCR-EC circa 1986 that needs new paint and was sold to me by Cambria in the wrong size but I waited so long for it (12months) that I rode it and hated it and loved it too. But then in my lust for all things mantis I got the profloater with the round chainstays, you know the ones, they put the cable guide on the chainstay instead of the gusset plate so it was a huge stress riser? you know the one that broke through that cable guide because the gusset was 2" too short? you know the one where you called, they told you they where waiting for the next shipment in a few months, but when you called back in a few months you got the BooBeee Boop……I'm sorry this number has been disconnected?

    Yeah some of you may remember this, and all you who are riding this style of profloater still, check that cable guide for cracks frequently because it is an easy fix as long as it is not yet broken.

    And thankfully Cunningham is still selling lies in his post at MBA, convincing everyone that they need a 25lbs 5" travel freeride capable XC race Downhill bike, Some one needs to pull that man out of the 90's. Seriously.
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    XCR EC - Framenumber XCR EC 1

    here are some pics of my MANTIS - it was used frome 1990 'till the reartriangle broke in 1993

    here in Switzerland it just isn't possible to get a new rearend done for a "normal" amount of money - so it's just layin' around in my garage ...

    Want to buy it - give me a ring

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    Mantis Thread Revival 2005

    Like Green?
    1996 model
    Still have all the original components.
    Some in boxes, most are on the bike.
    This one started as a manufactures demo....rep sold it to pay his bills.
    Lucky me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alasa
    a pix of my XCR, the components are not vintage, but it's fine....for me!!
    any comment.....
    Thanks

    Andrea

    PS in few days I will post other my Mnatis frames.....
    Alasa...That is straight pimpin. That bike is worth some money. Dont change a thing on it. If it was my size, i would barrage you with emails.
    Desperately searching for a klein 120mm O-rise MC1 mission control stem /handlebars or any 1 1/4 quill stem equivalent.
    EDIT- HELLOOOOOOOO......... Desperately means i will pay really,really good money for it.

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    Hi,
    please let me know,
    if you have some question feel free to contact me!
    [email protected]

    Ciao
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    Question:

    Hey Andrea,

    Who painted that frame? The stars and stripes XCR-EC.
    And what color was it originally?
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    Paint

    Hi,
    all my Mantis frames are repainted by Paolo, Splash Design

    http://www.splashdesign.it/home.html

    This frame was in Mantis blue, but in bad condition, I bought the frame on Ebay about two year ago from Canada; only a problem, the BB
    is italian threaded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Andrea

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    It has a threaded BB?

    Interesting.

    Oh, so that's where that Blue XCR-EC from eBay went.
    Well, that's 1 less I have to track down.

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    I guess there are 2 kinds of rare old bikes.
    Ones that are rare cause not many are made...
    like off road toads and breezers
    And bikes that are rare becuase most of them are now broken.
    Unfortunately it seems like the beautiful mantis is a victim of both those circumstances

    BTW that all steel one with the small tubes is the business....

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    It's got my beloved Critical stem. I had 2 of em...both attached to old Ventana Marble Peaks that were stolen from me in LA.





    Quote Originally Posted by SkullCrack
    I wish I had more on the earlier bikes. All I got is this Screaming V stuff, so here's some more. The review is from Bike magazine, and the photo is from the MBA review of the SV.

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    Pro Floater: Deconstructed

    Ok, so I was bored while striping, cleaning, and reassembling this.
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    My sweet babies

    Some pics of my sweet babies, from Italy...
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    Hmmm...

    7.62x39?
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    maybe not

    Quote Originally Posted by HoSS
    7.62x39?
    Not fat enough and too much projectile showing? 7.62x51 NATO... Hard too see the tips clearly. Almost looks like the M82 linked blanks.
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    21" CR-7 Weights

    Rear Triangle with BB shell mounting bolts 1080g (2.38 lbs)
    Front Triangle with seat clamp and bolts for seat stays 1481g (3.26 lbs)

    This frame is super stout that's for sure!
    The aluminum is "pipe" as FSP suggested. The steel stays must me be pretty thick tubing as well. The OD is pretty normal but they are heavy for how they look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    This pic is from '98...its been stripped and built probably a dozen times since then.
    I remember that design on the front suspension fork

    Who made them?

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    Linkage design which some people hate, but It worked great for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbikeboy
    Well, it took some digging to find this photo. I think I took it in'96. My PF is now sitting in front of me waiting to be built up. All I need now is a 9 speed cassette and chain. Originally, she was built XTR, XT shifters, Pauls Stoplights, Syncros ti Propost, Raceface Turbines, EFC with speed springs and 737 pedals.

    Now she'll have Grip Shift Betsy Shifters and rear, XTR front derailler, original Race Face cranks, Onza ti-bar ends, Avid Ultimate Levers (older machined ones), Kore Elite stem, Nuke Proof Atom Bomb Wheel Set. I still have my origianl Scott LFX Carbon handlebars (with a crushed end), and finally XT v-brakes. I still have the original Purple Anno. Stoplights -- but with the cable routing in the back as it is, they never had much power on this frame.
    When the old Ventana went down I got the Mantis back together. I did blow the EFC and replaced it with a '98 Z2 Bam (not original but a nice fork). Now rhe Mantis is lined up in the stable waiting to go.

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    Strange mantis frame

    Who has some informations about this frame? It's a XCR proto of the control Tech production? Look at the terrible Flying V in rasta colors...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying_V
    Who has some informations about this frame? It's a XCR proto of the control Tech production? Look at the terrible Flying V in rasta colors...
    Interesting frames since they're all aluminum. I wonder if they were trying to cut costs by elminating the steel rear triangle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
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    what is up?

    if it is regarding those numbers etc, I just dug the bikes out of their slumber and I will get those numbers tonight and post 'em to ya with specifics.

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    Ok, Cool

    Just sent you a PM about it
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    Stars and stripes

    Very interesting paint job...
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    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! My Babies.......

    Don't take my babies.
    You better read the fine print of the custody agreement.
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    That's the best part of the deal... visitation rights! 'Honey, I have to go to Boulder for a couple weeks. It's my turn with the kids." Doesn't that sound nice?

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    so, any of you nab the x-frame off ebay?

    this one:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Mantis-Valkyrie-...temZ7236232730

    lucky dog... :) exceeded my current financial capability pretty quick...

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpiesf
    this one:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Mantis-Valkyrie-...temZ7236232730

    lucky dog... exceeded my current financial capability pretty quick...

    that guy is EVERYWHERE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpiesf
    this one:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Mantis-Valkyrie-...temZ7236232730

    lucky dog... exceeded my current financial capability pretty quick...
    I DID...I DID....

    i'm the newest member of the Mantis club. woo hoo! i'm celebrating by working all night long to gather the funds to pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloculture
    I DID...I DID....:D :D

    i'm the newest member of the Mantis club. woo hoo! i'm celebrating by working all night long to gather the funds to pay for it. :o
    oof! thats a pretty penny - but congrats! share better pics (and a serial?) once you get it? :)

    now to pay for the build, eh?

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    Build? After that win the Mantis is getting a full STX group, well worn

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpiesf
    oof! thats a pretty penny - but congrats! share better pics (and a serial?) once you get it?

    now to pay for the build, eh?
    i've got the entire build sitting here minus WTB roller cams. i refuse to pay top dollar for those so it might be a hella long time before i can call this complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloculture
    i've got the entire build sitting here minus WTB roller cams. i refuse to pay top dollar for those so it might be a hella long time before i can call this complete.
    good luck finding them for below top dollar! theyre worth it, though...

    ive got almost a complete build myself, waiting for an x-frame to come my way... some day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloculture
    I DID...I DID....

    i'm the newest member of the Mantis club. woo hoo! i'm celebrating by working all night long to gather the funds to pay for it.

    Damn fine win, welcome to the club.
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    Expensive Club!

    Wow, weren't those framesets like $600-$700 new?

    It does look pretty sweet though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L-Train
    Wow, weren't those framesets like $600-$700 new?

    It does look pretty sweet though.

    I'm pretty sure they were more than that, although I'm not sure what number exactly.


    But yeah, the're so ugly they're pretty.
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    Not to steal Sky's thunder...

    But:


    And as I found it.
    Manitou 4 was mush,
    500LX cranks, and front shifters, broken gripshift shifter for the rear.
    IRD/Hite Rite unit was there but broken. Newer XT rear der and wheelset. Cheezy saddle, cheap stem and handlebars.

    It was a bad scene.

    I have almost all the parts I need for it save a shorter stem that I want. It won't be totally period correct, but it will be 'era' correct and pimpy.

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    Wow, $600 in 1986. That's pretty cheap, wonder if thats a typo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Wow, $600 in 1986. That's pretty cheap, wonder if thats a typo.
    i'm going to say it is. my 1986 Fisher Pro-Caliber cost $1200 and thats a production bike.

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    I'd Say Its Probably Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Wow, $600 in 1986. That's pretty cheap, wonder if thats a typo.
    Manits was building bikes that were innovative yet people could afford to ride them. The brand was not very popular outside SoCal until the Flying-V and ProFloater came out in 1990-1991. The XCR frameset went for around $1000 in the mid 80's, the older steel frames were less than that. The elevated Valkyrie was about $850 in 89-90. Also the non-el Valkyrie used all off the shelf tubing. There was little labor involved besides brazing it up.

    There is a chart of prices botique builders were charging for their work in a thread here somewhere (I cant find it) and Mantis was pretty affordable compared to Bontrager, Fat Chance, etc.
    Prices went trhough the roof at the dealer level in the ealry 90's because of the demand. List prices remained the same but a shop would sell frames sometimes at 2x list price 'cause people would pay it to have the latest and greatest thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    Manits was building bikes that were innovative yet people could afford to ride them. The brand was not very popular outside SoCal until the Flying-V and ProFloater came out in 1990-1991. The XCR frameset went for around $1000 in the mid 80's, the older steel frames were less than that. The elevated Valkyrie was about $850 in 89-90. Also the non-el Valkyrie used all off the shelf tubing. There was little labor involved besides brazing it up.

    There is a chart of prices botique builders were charging for their work in a thread here somewhere (I cant find it) and Mantis was pretty affordable compared to Bontrager, Fat Chance, etc.
    Prices went trhough the roof at the dealer level in the ealry 90's because of the demand. List prices remained the same but a shop would sell frames sometimes at 2x list price 'cause people would pay it to have the latest and greatest thing.
    exactly. i remember these frames being a really great deal at the time (though i *still* didnt have the money to buy one, somehow, and by the time i did, i was up in santa cruz rather than down in socal, and it was a lot easier to buy, say, a klein pinnacle elite frameset, than get a mantis - and by that time, i think theyd gone e-stay, which meant i wasnt interested anymore :) )

    but yeah - mantis work was priced closer to high-end production frame work than output from other, comparable, small builders - and *very* local to socal prior to the e-stay thing , and then the flying v etc. rc's involvement in the advent of e-stays definitely helped get the name out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Not to steal Sky's thunder...

    But:
    And as I found it.
    Manitou 4 was mush,
    500LX cranks, and front shifters, broken gripshift shifter for the rear.
    IRD/Hite Rite unit was there but broken. Newer XT rear der and wheelset. Cheezy saddle, cheap stem and handlebars.

    It was a bad scene.

    I have almost all the parts I need for it save a shorter stem that I want. It won't be totally period correct, but it will be 'era' correct and pimpy.
    i bet shaynes already on top of it, but got serial on this frame for http://www.blackbirdsf.org/xframe/ ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    Rear Triangle with BB shell mounting bolts 1080g (2.38 lbs)
    Front Triangle with seat clamp and bolts for seat stays 1481g (3.26 lbs)

    This frame is super stout that's for sure!
    The aluminum is "pipe" as FSP suggested. The steel stays must me be pretty thick tubing as well. The OD is pretty normal but they are heavy for how they look.

    Shayne, my XCR arrived today. I remembered this thread and was curious as to the weight. Well, you must have a special one, cause my bare frame weighs in at 5.15 pounds on my digital scale. Anyway, its a pretty frame. Ive got the matching fork and the seemingly very rare Mantis stem. Cant wait to get it built up.

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    2.38 + 3.26 = 5.64lbs. It appears you got the special one.

    You have to remember the older Mantis' used some pretty basic materials. Without cutting one open, I'd hazard to suggest the fronts were 1.6mm+ wall 6061, and the rears 0.9 or maybe even 1.2mm wall Patco 4130. Very basic stuff in a modern context.

    I reckon if you reproduced one using Easton 7005 in the front and Ti in the back, I'd be suprised if you couldn't get an 18" under 4lbs.
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    Frame Materials

    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine
    You have to remember the older Mantis' used some pretty basic materials. Without cutting one open, I'd hazard to suggest the fronts were 1.6mm+ wall 6061, and the rears 0.9 or maybe even 1.2mm wall Patco 4130. Very basic stuff in a modern context.

    I reckon if you reproduced one using Easton 7005 in the front and Ti in the back, I'd be suprised if you couldn't get an 18" under 4lbs.
    I'm not sure about the aluminum in the front but weren't the stays made from some pretty lightweight roadie tubing? .6mm or .8mm wall thickness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine
    2.38 + 3.26 = 5.64lbs. It appears you got the special one.

    You have to remember the older Mantis' used some pretty basic materials. Without cutting one open, I'd hazard to suggest the fronts were 1.6mm+ wall 6061, and the rears 0.9 or maybe even 1.2mm wall Patco 4130. Very basic stuff in a modern context.

    I reckon if you reproduced one using Easton 7005 in the front and Ti in the back, I'd be suprised if you couldn't get an 18" under 4lbs.

    Actually that 5.64 lb frame was his Fisher CR-7. His Mantis XCR weighs 3.04 lbs I think he said. Quite a bit lighter than mine. Pics coming soon.

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well OK guys

    Who has an XL Mantis for sale?

    I need another, as I still have the old team jersey hangin' in the closet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xrmattaz
    Who has an XL Mantis for sale?

    I need another, as I still have the old team jersey hangin' in the closet.

    You missed the last two that came down the line.
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    Hope

    I hear ya.

    Any links to finding Mantis decals?




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    Quote Originally Posted by xrmattaz
    I hear ya.

    Any links to finding Mantis decals?

    Not yet...but it's only a matter of time.

    I need some if I'm going to repaint mine.
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    I Have the Mantis font. If someone wants to trace the headtube logo and scan it and e-mail it to me, I can easily turn that into a vinyl decal.

    For the downtube, all I need is the height and length.
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    just showin' off

    hey guys.

    Just thought that I'd post some pics of my Floater'.

    1992 model. (later updated with the box swingarm) Last ridden only a few weeks ago. Recently updated with Pauls thumbie mounts and some Dura Ace 9spd "thumb" shifters.

    I was the Australian distributor for Mantis from 1992 until the end. (still got the headtube badge tatoo on my ankle) Thanks to Mantis, I work in the industry and have the honor of distributing many of the brands that I used to dream of owning. www.dirtworks.com.au .

    I have a nice assortment of bikes now... but the Pro Floater still rails singletrack the best.

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    Good job! Good things... just keep going and going...

    My wife still rides my old Pro Floater. I've taken off the Grafton Joy Sticks & Speed Controllers long ago and even upgraded the rear end when I tore the DH off the back. Never liked the amount of sideways "float" due to bushing design, but still love the feel of the bike. The original fork was replaced to better handle the local SoCal trails... the old bike still handles well and gives a nice soft ride.

    Mine was built by Mr C in late 1992. I use to ride his Sat morning rides in Chino Hills and we became personal friends (he knew more trails than anybody I had ever met!) Great thing about Richard is he can discourse on many different subjects... I'd call him a truely Universal Man. He was also famous for his birthday rides.. rode the same mileage as his age... although that started changing as he turned 50 (hey, that's a lot of miles on a mountain bike chasing RC!!!). BTW:He now rides his wife's horses almost as much as his bike. We recently had fun on the 29er forum... where they constantly think of him as the Great Satan!.... Richard has his opinions as most builders do... but his are extremely well thought out.

    Anyway, I diverse... back to the Pro Floater. Changed the Noleen out a year or so ago when I found out through someone on this forum that a Risse shock that actually fit the bike. The original fork that the bike was designed around was one of Russ Robinson's ActionTec forks.... it had a whole 1.75" stroke...wow!. He's now added another inch to the forks he's presently building. Even with the 100 mm fork now, the geometry still works.

    Although it's become my wife's bike... I still sneak a ride in on it when she's not looking. Somehow I find that even though I now ride a Blur and a 5.5 Intense, I still enjoy riding the Pro Floater and my first bike, a custom Salsa built by Ross (1986). I've since turned that steel framed beauty into a great little single speed with original Bullseye wheels, Bontrager Switchblade fork and lots and lots of purple Grafton and Ringle stuff. I've come full circle, grasshopper... back to the basics.... funny, no?

    Glad to hear that Mantis is till being talked about as I always considered Richard's bikes to be benchmarks.

    Best from lovely Laguna Niguel...

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    Just a reminder that RC will be at the Crossroads Bike Festival this coming weekend (August 16-28, 2006) for a rare East Coastr appearance. Come meet the legend!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtber3737
    Glad to hear that Mantis is till being talked about as I always considered Richard's bikes to be benchmarks.

    Best from lovely Laguna Niguel...

    Old Man Riding.... on very old bikes.....
    I know this is a 'Mantis' thread...but man I want that Salsa! I remember you posting it some time back...very cool bike.

    Also great to see the Mantis is still in the rotation. It's cooler than 95% of the Freds out there on their modern trendy bikes.
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    The more things change, the more they remain the same...

    An old saying... but somehow seems to be true today. When I go into my LBS with the Mantis or the Salsa a croud always seems to gather. It sort of shocked me a first...younger riders that are on 6-9 inches monsters are fascinated with these old beauties. It's that back to "simplier times" idea.. I think that helps to explain the rigid single speed's popularity today... it sure isn't comfort!!!!

    And, just like kids, I can't seem to get rid of these old friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtber3737
    An old saying... but somehow seems to be true today. When I go into my LBS with the Mantis or the Salsa a croud always seems to gather. It sort of shocked me a first...younger riders that are on 6-9 inches monsters are fascinated with these old beauties. It's that back to "simplier times" idea.. I think that helps to explain the rigid single speed's popularity today... it sure isn't comfort!!!!

    And, just like kids, I can't seem to get rid of these old friends.

    OMR
    Yeah, my LBS pretty much expects me to bring in some classic something-or-other when I walk though the door. They get a kick out of it but shake their heads too.

    It does get attention from other people though. You can tell right away who has been riding for 5 years and who's been riding for 15 years.


    ...and I had to at least try for the Salsa.
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    ... and if we just ... Ha Ha...

    [QUOTE=...and I had to at least try for the Salsa. [/QUOTE]

    Eric, If I ever think about retiring the Salsa, I'll drop you a line.... I must say my garage is starting to get really crowed with bikes. I have a Klein (bright pink) Pennacle with an old Manitou bumper fork that my daughter now rides and a new Curtlo 29er SS due to be delivered next month.... Man and his toys!

    Best from sunny SoCal,

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    Wow you guys. Those are some stunning Flying V's. I used to want one pretty bad, but now, it's going to be bloody the next time one shows up for sale.

    Andrea, that is some build! Whose cranks are those? If they're Breezers Lightning Rods, I'm going to keel over right here and now. Spectacolo.

    I'd love to see more of those Flying V's. I'm pretty sure it's my hands down favorite frame ever made, by anyone, anywhere (along with the Trimble).

    I put the ad up in the classifieds for the profloater disc adapters, if you want a set, let me know. Now's the time.

    In the mean time, this is Kurts Valkyrie from Minn. I think this is the best example of one I've seen. It may even be sporting a full Mavic drivetrain at the moment, which would make it EVEN AWESOMER.
    holy crap... that thing is gorgeous

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    I know a local shop that had a customer bring in a pro floater not sure what year but the owner is trying to sell the bike, email me for the info if ya want.

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    I came across a brand new Flying V second edition. Is it worth $750?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uno-speedo
    I came across a brand new Flying V second edition. Is it worth $750?
    Not in my book it's not.

    Cool bike, and the NOS factor helps...but thats a pretty healthy price IMO.
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    Hmmm...

    Quote Originally Posted by uno-speedo
    I came across a brand new Flying V second edition. Is it worth $750?
    I say it probably closer to $500 if it's total new.... but you never know what some collectors will pay???

    Old Man Riding.... on a new Curtlo SS 29er ... ahh heiracy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtber3737

    Old Man Riding.... on a new Curtlo SS 29er ... ahh heiracy!
    Hellofa bike GH!

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=235201

    Nice crank choice too.
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    finally Mantis

    hi world.
    I'm Icio and i have finally found a Mantis frame...
    Actually it found me.
    The blue flyingV was hangin covered by dust in a small bike shop in the middle of the Langhe hills.
    The legend tells that it was one of the many bikes a well known billionare of this region used to build every month. After few rides he jumped on a new bike, while the "old" frame was repainted and put on sale in the same bike shop.
    Since 1995 till now, waiting for me to enter the shop and look at "him"...
    i'm building it with the stuff i own... it will not be very Vintage, i just want to ride it as soon as possible.
    i'm going to send pictures soon.

    Ciao

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    i hope to be able to load the pictures.
    can anybody find what's wrong in them??
    who can tell why i think the welder was drunk??
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironbelly
    i hope to be able to load the pictures.
    can anybody find what's wrong in them??
    who can tell why i think the welder was drunk??

    whoa! thats a pretty big mistake. at least you still have a few brake options that will get around that problem.

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    i was thinking about magura, which other choices i have??
    if you have time left after a ride...you could have ridden more!

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    Diacompe 986 etc don't use the spring holes.

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    My god, these things are amazing. Why isn't Richard Cunningham building bikes today? I can't imagine how such an inventive frame builder would find complete fulfillment simply writing or editing for MBA. I can understand that Mantis probably didn't make bank, but I would think that any of todays larger companies would be able to make it mutually beneficial. I wonder what he would be designing and building today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironbelly
    hi world.
    I'm Icio and i have finally found a Mantis frame...
    Actually it found me.
    The blue flyingV was hangin covered by dust in a small bike shop in the middle of the Langhe hills.
    The legend tells that it was one of the many bikes a well known billionare of this region used to build every month. After few rides he jumped on a new bike, while the "old" frame was repainted and put on sale in the same bike shop.
    Since 1995 till now, waiting for me to enter the shop and look at "him"...
    i'm building it with the stuff i own... it will not be very Vintage, i just want to ride it as soon as possible.
    i'm going to send pictures soon.

    Ciao

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    Nice find! We trust you'll post pictures after it's all built?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloculture
    whoa! thats a pretty big mistake. at least you still have a few brake options that will get around that problem.
    funny mistake.

    yeah, brake options that don't use spring holes: dia-compe, machine-tech, paul's, fixed gear, stick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Nice find! We trust you'll post pictures after it's all built?
    Yes, i will.
    i have few components left to find and i'm rebuilding the decals.
    i need the exact mesaure of the "M" logo and the "flyingV" logo, i have no real bike to examin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironbelly
    i was thinking about magura, which other choices i have??
    easy. suntour xc pro cantis. ebay is your friend.
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    ciao

    Quote Originally Posted by ironbelly
    Yes, i will.
    i have few components left to find and i'm rebuilding the decals.
    i need the exact mesaure of the "M" logo and the "flyingV" logo, i have no real bike to examin.
    Ciao, se vuoi faccio due misure del logo sul mio e te le mando. Ps ho un amico che ha eppena acquistato da un'altro mio amico un Flying V e lo stava riverniciando..magari ha qualche adesivo in +....se vuoi chiedo o ti metto in contatto. Bye

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomac-ve
    Ciao, se vuoi faccio due misure del logo sul mio e te le mando. Ps ho un amico che ha eppena acquistato da un'altro mio amico un Flying V e lo stava riverniciando..magari ha qualche adesivo in +....se vuoi chiedo o ti metto in contatto. Bye
    Agreed.



    If you guys are having some Flying V decals made, I'd pony up for a set. I figured eventually that I'd scan a catalogue for the artwork, but my ToDo list has gotten quite long, and bikes have fallen off the bottom of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomac-ve
    Ciao, se vuoi faccio due misure del logo sul mio e te le mando. Ps ho un amico che ha eppena acquistato da un'altro mio amico un Flying V e lo stava riverniciando..magari ha qualche adesivo in +....se vuoi chiedo o ti metto in contatto. Bye
    are you guys really gonna make me babelfish that?
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    Onza ho brakes, F.R.O castagnino...don't use hole for spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fsp
    Agreed.



    If you guys are having some Flying V decals made, I'd pony up for a set. I figured eventually that I'd scan a catalogue for the artwork, but my ToDo list has gotten quite long, and bikes have fallen off the bottom of it.
    i have some custom decals made from a picture, in white and in chrome,
    tonight i will pop them on the frame and take pictures, if you like them i can send you a set for free, it will cost me few bucks.
    the picture here is VERY low res.
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    my shiny decals...!
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    My Flyingv Is Alive!!

    Finally

    tomorrow, first ride in the muddy hills of Langhe

    tech info:
    crossmax wheelset
    Geax Barromud
    Specialized ti Quick releases
    Skareb Super
    f.r.m. stem
    sram X7
    Truvativ Stylo crank
    KB pedals
    VP headset
    Kennex chain (blue)
    ritchey front vbrake
    magura hs33 rear brake
    selcof titanium seatpost
    velo titanium seat (colnago)

    weight: 10,5 kg

    ok, ok, it's not so vintage, shame on me and mud, a lot of mud, on my face
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    Hey Matt, I think I have a Mantis head tube decal for you. but it will cost you BIG

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    my pics, finally

    Well, I told somebody that I would post pics of my bikes, oh, maybe two years ago... oh well, its been a busy time. Here's my wife's Flying V- its one of the two original prototypes made by Richard, not sure if it is the MBA cover bike or not. The original rear triangle was broken by the original owner (she was a 5'2" NORBA pro, not sure of her name), so the one on there is a later, beefed up design by RC. Frame had just been repainted when Richard told us about the bike- we found it at an Orange County MTB shop. Its a great bike- as you can see, it doesn't have a serial number, probably because it was the proto.
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    Here's mine- nothing special about the front triangle, just a Control Tech production unit. The rear triangle is the original prototype for the later design. Its not polished- in fact it isn't quite straight(!) because the crew were racing to make FedEx to send it to me to test. I didn't realize the rear triangle was crooked for months, its amazing how you automatically compensate. Sorry for the nasty front tire- the wheel just happened to be handy when I went to take the photo.
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    one more of the MBA Flying V and my wife's:
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    that gray flying v and the one currently on ebay make for a great mantis week

    i actually have that issue of mba, originally purchased by me in 1990. i was fascinated by the v, though it took me 16 years before i was able to get one. also in that issue ran the classic klein "team usa" ad (which also took me 16 years to get).
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    Hi All,

    I have enjoyed all the posts, and have wanted to post some photos for a while now.

    Here is a current photo my Flying V. Still working on an old Valkyrie, debating with SS or and an old XC-Pro build. The Flying V is almost an all N.A. and European build - minus the pedals, some bearings, and ???.

    I'll get the numbers to you Shayne.

    Hope all is cool.

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    Stolen Pro Floater returned after 7 years

    a story worthy of telling...

    In 1994, Dirt Works was started when Poncho and I started importing Mantis frames into Australia. I had (and still have) a nice metallic green Mantis Pro Floater. He had a rich purple Pro Floater. His bike was so cool. Syncros cockpit, Kooka cranks in a purple/blue/black anno' fade. Pulstar hubs laced to Sun CR18 rims, Critical racing brakes, King headset and XTR shifting. (those with early issues of Australian Mountain Bike magazine might remember it, as it was tested in 1994)

    Poncho sold his Mantis to another friend of ours in 1996. He rode it and loved it. After a few years it was looking the worse for wear and in 1999 he had it reconditioned by a local frame restorer. New paint, new decals, and they even customised the main swingarm pivot and machined it to accept cartridge bearings!

    When it was finished it looked beautiful. One week later it was stolen.

    A few weeks ago I get a call from a local retailer asking if I can repair a blown Noleen shock in a Mantis. The mechanic tells me that it's in good condition. Purple with a silver swingarm. I bite my lip and explain that I need to see it to tell if we can repair the old shock or not...

    Two days later I get a call... the bike is in the store. I jump in the car and race over to see. Sure enough. Custom pivot, blue Critical canti brakes, Pulstar hubs... it's the one. 5 minutes later it's locked in the back of my car, just as the current "owner" walks up. He asked me if I think that it would be worth $400 as he's trying to sell it.

    With the recovered bike back at Dirt Works HQ. The police are called. They take details… and the bike. They indicate that it may take months to sort it all out… three police areas spread all over Sydney involved etc etc… Ahhhh but common sense prevails. Once they get it back to the station, the senior sergeant on duty decides that it’s a waste of time to spend months and countless public dollars investigating a “pushy theft”. He decides to call the original owner and get him to pick it up as it’s “in the way”.

    The current “owner” is called and for some strange reason decides to not challenge the ownership of the bike.

    Short version. Stolen in 2000, recovered in 2007.

    Will wonders never cease.

    Elvis.

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    and after our friend got his purple Mantis back... I got motivated to find a second one for myself...

    5 mins on ebay and I now have a 1996 Pro Floater, 1 1/8" headtube (my other, 1991 frame is 1"), and std threaded BB (other frame has pressfit bearings)... serial number: 95FPC089

    Same colour as my old frame too. metallic green. 18". But with a lot less scratches...

    Pics as soon as it's built. Which might be a while... I'm planning some of the new DT Swiss forks, Crank Brothers Cobalt cranks, 190 ceramic hubs... etc etc.

    The 96' Floater will be a contemporary build (for more regular riding). And my old 91' will be rebuilt with as many 1991 era components as I can find. (that still function)

    Elvis.
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    Curious as to what type of bearings the Pro-Floater used for its main pivot...cartridge, sleeve?

    urmb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
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    You sure about there being Delrin in there? Delrin's a white, self lubricating plastic that'd wear out pretty quick in such an application. It's been a while since I've been inside one, but I could swear I remember seeing a big, brass, teflon coated journal bearing or something in there... though, considering some of the previous owners other handiwork on that bike, it could have been a twig and some glue too.

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    Woops, My Bad

    Thanks Pete.

    You're right, its brass.
    I was talking with someone a while back about replacing the rear pivots with Delrin and that stuck in my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    Thanks Pete.

    You're right, its brass.
    I was talking with someone a while back about replacing the rear pivots with Delrin and that stuck in my head.
    Ah si. I see. Oh & by the previous owner, I wasn't referring to the blue one, I got from you.

    & don't sweat it, I'm pretty sure I have a piece of delrin stuck in my head too. Aparrently there was room, so it's cool.

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    Old, retired for the moment

    I'm looking for day one photos.
    This guy has many many thousands of hard miles on it. Second fork and main triangle replaced by RC. The original fork had generator mounts and wire guides. It failed at the generator mount and he never put those on again after that.
    The HT angle was decreased to 71 deg when the new front triangle was replaced. The internal generator wire guides were not replaced with new triangle. The rest of the wire guides were removed from the frame as well.
    There are currently 31 braze-ons not including the canti mounts and seat binder. The blue bag is where I had my fishing pole, tent poles and fillet knife in. The original black bag was a bit small and replaced with this one. There are 2 W/B mounts that it screwed onto.

    I need to get this back on the road.
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    My, what big fillets you have...

    Quote Originally Posted by geckocycles
    I need to get this back on the road.
    Wow is that cool. We rarely see anything of the early early Mantis frames. Very neat to see.

    Oh, & Geckoman, I just noticed your IM... !!! !!! I'll put an email together for ya tonight. Thanks!

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    Thanks for sharing. I remember these bikes were big back in the day, when I was a kid tooling around on a Raleigh from Hank n Franks.
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    Manti Sherpa's

    I found the first day photos. This poor bike had a rough life from the first day. I ordered 3 Sherpa's for my 2 friends and myself. These 2 frames were totaled at the first race when they were on our bike rack mounted behind the car. JD backed his car right into another car and folded both bikes around the rack. Notice the 2 rear racks and all 4 W/B cages were painted to match as well.
    The built up one was mine. I took a rock to the TT after this picture was taken and rode the s--- out of it. This was RC's first attempt at camo paint. It cost me a fortune as I recall. Notice all the wire guides for the generator. The generator mount was moved to the rear stays in this photo. It was originally on the fork which broke at the plate. All internal and external guides were removed when the TT, and DT was replaced after a crash that not only bent this bike but a Chris King frame as well. We both fell into the same hole at a WALKING PACE! I must say the Mantis was bent less than the King and I was a bigger rider than Jay Carney who had the King.
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    Just got me a 2nd Pro Floater from ebay.

    18", metallic geen. 95' model. Risse' air shock.

    serial number is; 95PFC89

    Size and colour match my 92'. But I now have a 1 1/8" headtube and a threaded BB.

    The current plan is to "restore" my old 92' Floater' with period components. (Mag 21, Control Tech, XC Pro etc) while this new one will get some more contemporary parts (DT Swiss fork, wheels, XTR etc) to be my regular ride.

    Elvis.

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    Actually its a '97

    Pictures of is built up are higher up in this thread.
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