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    Sweet Mantis in NY

    This just came to my attention. RC thought that I may know something about it. I didn't recall painting it. My smoke runs, as a rule if there are any, more in line with the tubes and not in the tiger stripe way. But every job is custom and may have been a special request. I don't think there was a "Paint by KB" sticker on it. Maybe it was removed?
    Anyway it looks great and from what I can tell the components are dated correctly.

    Mountain Goat had paint jobs like this. It could of been a Cycle Art job that was done outside of a Mantis order. I think this because RC didn't recall the bike and the stickers don't match in color.

    Update: The owner didn't want me to post the picture so I removed it.
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    Wow, this picture really sucks. Mountain Goat smoke:


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    Cool, and I now remember painting that bike. My smoke jobs aren't washed out. I figured out how to keep it dark, my secret.

    I just can't remember his name now. He never a bike for long and all were custom made. It seamed he liked to just get them made and turn them over ASAP. He was not much of a rider and generally a pain in the royal A**. But his money was good. I built 2 bikes for him.

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    Came across this gem.

    Here is a great looking bike.
    僕の違う。僕は写真トッテナイ
    Look at the baby blue. Who's bike is this.
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    That's one sweet bike, and one that is clearly too big for the owner but which is - funny enough - my size.

    Sell it to meeeeeeeee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine
    That's one sweet bike, and one that is clearly too big for the owner but which is - funny enough - my size.

    Sell it to meeeeeeeee.

    It should fit it's current owner nicely. And Im pretty sure it wont be sold anytime soon. It sure is a neat one though.

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    I've not seen red speedmasters before!

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    It's not baby blue, and the brakes aren't just red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    For those of you that requested em, here they are. I'll delete this post within 24 hours, cause such a big pile of graphics will likely choke the thread, & needlessly take up a bunch of space on mtbr's server. In the mean time, here it is...

    Wow, it's so shiny... Dude, wouldn't it be sweet if you got that Jen Green who makes the custom headbadges to fab you a crazy Preying Mantis headbadge?! With the bugged-out big eyes! Yeah... That'd be crazy.

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    Who has a Mantis Overland?

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    Nobody Around Here

    Quote Originally Posted by geckocycles
    Who has a Mantis Overland?
    (I think)
    But I can think of 2 or 3 people that want one.

    I've only seen 1 photo of one. Granted I live far, far away from where any Overlands may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    (I think)
    But I can think of 2 or 3 people that want one.

    I've only seen 1 photo of one. Granted I live far, far away from where any Overlands may be.
    I had one for a year while my Sherpa was getting a new front triangle. RC was kind enough to give me it to ride. He is such a cool guy. It was very stiff. I was only 165 at the time. The TT was just a bit much for me.

    I forgot about it and haven't seen or heard of them since. At least you have heard of them.

    Do you have a picture?

    It is so F'in cold here. 10 deg. I have just about had it here. It is beautiful but what good is that if you can't go out and enjoy it. Everything is frozen rock hard. Heating fuel went up 60% /gal plus the usage is up. Lease on the shop when up 30%. Everything is up except my wages which haven't gone up even 20% in 28 years.
    OOPS wrong forum!. Just had to vent. LOL I'm better now. Thanks for listening.

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    Damn you guys!

    I've been itching to do a homage XCR-EC in 7005 and Ti for ages now, and everytime one of you bastids posts to this thread, I get a reminder in my inbox just how much I'd love to do one!

    Can't....press......unsubscribe.....must......resi st.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine
    Damn you guys!

    I've been itching to do a homage XCR-EC in 7005 and Ti for ages now, and everytime one of you bastids posts to this thread, I get a reminder in my inbox just how much I'd love to do one!

    Can't....press......unsubscribe.....must......resi st.......
    I know what you mean...I keep remembering I need to send Shayne a bunch of pics and info....soon Shayne soon.

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    OK, time for some new (old) stuff

    here are some old Mantis spec flyer's...I think you guys will like.

    the Sherpa:



    the Overland:



    and the wonderful XCR:

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    Mantis- pro floater 1991 on E-bay

    hey all just saw this on e-bay:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MakeTrack=true
    sure wish I had the money she a beauty and mine was stolen from me back in 93 S#20427 in "Super Blue" (just in case)
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    Quote Originally Posted by befoot
    hey all just saw this on e-bay:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MakeTrack=true
    sure wish I had the money she a beauty and mine was stolen from me back in 93 S#20427 in "Super Blue" (just in case)
    That seller is out of touch with reality.
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    A Bit

    I gave him a pretty good ballpark a few years ago when it was offered for sale on MTBR.

    Inflation hasn't changed that much
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    Quote Originally Posted by befoot
    here are some old Mantis spec flyer's...I think you guys will like.


    and the wonderful XCR:


    72║ head angle and 2.5in rake fork.... hmmmm... interesting. i didn't even know there were 2.5in rake 26in forks.. let alone on 72║ head angle.. very interesting.
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    great stuff. I never knew the XCR was once an all steel bike.

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    Interesting R.C. story about the first Valkyrie on p32 of this month's MBA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by takenomorimonster
    Here is a great looking bike.
    僕の違う。僕は写真トッテナイ
    Look at the baby blue. Who's bike is this.
    For sure this frame is a big part of my inspiration for my current Crazy Project



    Ps: if anybody has contact with Richard, please tell him that Scott taylor Dye a few weeks back and that I have family and friends Info if he like to contact them.

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    Ok kids here's something you don't see everyday


    that's right it's Mantis coffee....from one of Richard's B-day rides
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    Mantis Arrives in the UK

    Fresh in to the UK via Germany... serial S22231. How can I tell whether it's a Redline or an original Mantis??

    Going to try for the classic MBA build up first, natch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkawasaki
    Fresh in to the UK via Germany... serial S22231. How can I tell whether it's a Redline or an original Mantis??

    Going to try for the classic MBA build up first, natch!

    Mr K

    Man the MBA pic is the one that I fell in love with. It took me 3 or 4 years to be able to afford a Pro Floater after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by befoot
    here are some old Mantis spec flyer's...I think you guys will like.

    the Sherpa:



    the Overland:



    and the wonderful XCR:

    sorry the photos disappeared....I'll try and find them and repost them
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    Valkyrie Decals

    Hello All,

    Wanted to thank everyone for all their posts, and help, as I have learned much, but have failed to reply.

    Also wanted to share with you a document I used to get some Valkyrie decals made up. Thanks to Shayne of course for his help with the finer details.

    If any one has any comments, corrections, or additional information, I would be grateful.

    Thanks again, and hope this may help some people.

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    Very nice stuff. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Very nice stuff. Thanks!
    Post yours punk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Post yours punk.
    Yeah, so we can have a contest to guess how tall is Bushpig.

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    Decal Help

    Hi Again,

    I am looking for the name of the material some of the Valkyrie decals were made of. It is a reflective/refractive(?), mirrored, mylar looking something or other. I asked a few decal makers, and they were unable to help. If anyone has any thoughts or information, I would be very grateful.

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    Mantis Pro Floater proto 1991

    Refound these MBA photos of a Mantis Pro Floater prototype in 1991 - I'm guessing the skinny tubes mean it was fabricated from steel?

    Does it predate the Santa Cruz Tazmon/Heckler style rear triangle?

    RC and Mantis must have been overflowing with ideas and production issues around that period - how many own label models and licensed ones must have come out during that 18 month period....?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by howman66
    Hi Again,

    I am looking for the name of the material some of the Valkyrie decals were made of. It is a reflective/refractive(?), mirrored, mylar looking something or other. I asked a few decal makers, and they were unable to help. If anyone has any thoughts or information, I would be very grateful.

    Many thanks,
    Howard

    The Mantis decals were just cut vinyl. You can go to any signwriter and get them redone, including that 'hologram' style silver.

    Yeah that proto with the Marzo shock is steel. It would've lasted about a month before that driveside 'chainstay' popped.

    As much as I love Mantis' - and yes I used to own a Pro-Flo - the laws of physics were somewhat ignored on those old beauties.
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    Beautiful Hindsight

    Interested to know which laws in particular - if someone was to make a ProFlo today, how would it be different??

    Mr K

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkawasaki
    Interested to know which laws in particular - if someone was to make a ProFlo today, how would it be different??

    Mr K

    The force of the chain attempting to pull the rear axle towards the bottom bracket.

    Nobody would bother trying to recreate a Pro-Flo today. Suspension technology has come so far, it would be a Pro-Flo in name only.

    Having said that, if Richard wanted to pretend he's Scot Nichol, I know of a great Industrial Designer.
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    Right direction

    So who, if anyone, had it right or nearly right back in 1991??

    Does the ProFlo work best when your not pedalling then (haven't finished building mine to know :-) )??

    Mr K

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkawasaki
    So who, if anyone, had it right or nearly right back in 1991??

    Does the ProFlo work best when your not pedalling then (haven't finished building mine to know :-) )??

    Mr K

    Didn't I just see you become a Mantis owner recently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Didn't I just see you become a Mantis owner recently?

    I was watching that too. Thought it went for a reasonable price. Maybe even very reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djmuff
    I was watching that too. Thought it went for a reasonable price. Maybe even very reasonable.
    I agree, it was a decent price.
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    Oooh... I've post-outed! Interesting to know you think the price was reasonable - I can't be sure this side of the pond. Maybe the high reserve put people off initially?

    The XCR will be my second proper Mantis after the Pro Floater (registered in this thread). Seems I'm coming out of the closet on RC-related designs, having had two Aliens (an 89 and the square SP) in the cellar for the last couple of years. I'm fairly sure we didn't get anu XCRs imported into the UK at that time, although the Nishiki version did make it across. Definitely after a Valkyrie too, especially after stroking SSMike's fine example in Point Reyes last October.

    Being an e-stay holds much of the appeal - ignoring whether they did everything claimed - I love the period they represent, remembering well the fuss they created and, when I race mine now, they still draw favourable comments!

    Hanker after a Mammoth RC201, a Brave Warrior; Tamarac Elevated and a Talon Elite - all in 19/20" - should you come across them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkawasaki
    Definitely after a Valkyrie too, especially after stroking SSMike's fine example in Point Reyes last October.
    I trust you're keen to BushPigs then.
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    Holy Appreciation Batman!

    That frame sold for ~$135 with some parts on it in 2003
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohm
    I do have an unused yellow Mantis XCR EC 18 or 20 incher lying, including a Bontrager bolted chrome fork. Spindle is titanium Action Tec (?) put in place by Cambria bicycle outfitters. A pair of nearly unused black Graftons is lying in a box, and I don't know if I should build it up or not.

    It's beatiful of course but I have other nice frames too. One next to unused Kestrel 17-18 incher in red circa 95-96 (model???) is waiting for me. I do have some interresting looking one of a kind prototype Brave in steel from the early 90s - u-brakes and a really slooping top tube which should be fun to ride.

    I'm going to take a photo of my Mantis in order to put it here, How much could I expect to get for the frame/fork/brake combo?

    Btw; did Mantis make tandems, as that would be v e r y nice to own? Our steel Burley from that era rides nicely with upgraded components but we are thinking of buing something better - thats something the Mantis could help us fund

    Thanks for reading my first post here!
    Be very careful that this is not a for sale post...strictly not allowed in the forums.

    Take a look at the sticky at the top of this forum as well as the general forum rules so you don't get yourself in trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohm
    I do have an unused yellow Mantis XCR EC 18 or 20 incher lying, including a Bontrager bolted chrome fork. Spindle is titanium Action Tec (?) put in place by Cambria bicycle outfitters. A pair of nearly unused black Graftons is lying in a box, and I don't know if I should build it up or not.

    It's beatiful of course but I have other nice frames too. One next to unused Kestrel 17-18 incher in red circa 95-96 (model???) is waiting for me. I do have some interresting looking one of a kind prototype Brave in steel from the early 90s - u-brakes and a really slooping top tube which should be fun to ride.

    I'm going to take a photo of my Mantis in order to put it here, How much could I expect to get for the frame/fork/brake combo?

    Btw; did Mantis make tandems, as that would be v e r y nice to own? Our steel Burley from that era rides nicely with upgraded components but we are thinking of buing something better - thats something the Mantis could help us fund

    Thanks for reading my first post here!
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    Rumpfy; Thanks for telling me that, I should have been more careful.

    I'll show the pic though as soon as possible - those XCR:s surely are beatiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohm
    Rumpfy; Thanks for telling me that, I should have been more careful.

    I'll show the pic though as soon as possible - those XCR:s surely are beatiful.
    No worries.

    Pictures we like.
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    Valkyrie Decals Part Deux

    Hello All,

    Maybe this with help some one...

    I re-did the Valkyrie decals, the dimensions for which I believe are for the earlier year frames. I also added the seat-tube badge, if you will.

    The font is Busorama, which can be downloaded for free, but may be refered to as Omnibus in the drop down menu.

    Thanks to Shyane, once again for his help. I am trying to get some decals printed up again, as the first set was not quite right. One day, this project will finish.

    Best wishes to everyone,
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    just got my friends Valkyrie up and running after being neglected for a very long time.
    btw...howman66 sorry to say but the font in your attachment is not the right one
    see here: https://mombat.org/1989_Mantis_Valkyrie.htm


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    Nice! Got the original fork for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Nice! Got the original fork for it?
    No Rumpfy, I don't think he has the original fork...and thats a bummer because the bumpers in the fork pictured fell apart like dirt when I cleaned it had to come up with some bumpers to make it work. he was thinking of sell it but I think I talked him out of it. he, Richard and I are old friends and rode together all time....in fact I wont let him sell it

    hey...know anywhere we can find a old fork with a 1"steerer ?

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    Man, great thread, what a flood of memories.

    I spent my high school years riding with RC and the crew down in Cali, and was a certifiable Mantis nut. Got a used Valkyie with snakeskin paint (ala doile). The early runs on those had small dia stays, and broke pretty quick. RC replaced the stays with the next dia. up and painted it what he called 'team green'. Like a Kermit green with light metallic. At some point I had a red/chrome Flying V, and polished/chrome ProFloater. These also had breakage issues at the drive side swing arm by the pivot plate. They were beefed up more or less continuously.. the first revision being the addition of the gusset.

    The wait for a Mantis was off the charts. Some kid bought the company off RC and it went belly up pretty quick there after. He tried to refine the PF a bit, but didn't have what RC brought to the table.

    Too bad RC left the builder world. Man he was doing some cool stuff , and way ahead of his time.

    No too many non-elevated XCR's here. Really a pretty bike. And then Fisher had their version.. the name escapes me.

    I'll try to get some scans up out of 'my secret stash'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmitty

    No too many non-elevated XCR's here. Really a pretty bike. And then Fisher had their version.. the name escapes me.

    I'll try to get some scans up out of 'my secret stash'.

    -Schmitty-
    The Fisher was the CR-7.

    When I was at the Shimano museum over the Christmas holidays, I got access to a back room in which they had an apparently new (albeit with shop-wear) XCR - fillet brazed steel only. They curator was pretty proud of the bike - he figured the NOS Deerhead group was boss. I almost cried.

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    Yeah the 'rain deore' stuff is absolutely bomber. Ther CR7 (thank you) was pretty much the apex of Fisher imo.

    RC had a small two man shop, yet cranked out some really innovative stuff... and rode *a ton*. Wonder why we don't see that today. Somwehere I have a pic of a baby hauler he built, and what do you know, it had a smal front wheel and roll cage/basket seat for the kid up front. You see that quite a bit now for kid transporters.. kid is up front where you can see them.. safer.

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    Here's a some pics of my friend Bob with his 24" Overland and the bike on the right is a fillet brazed XCR






    that's Bob out in front....and the (Bob) behind him now has both bikes.
    sorry I did not get better pics ....now their back in Cali

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmitty
    Man, great thread, what a flood of memories.
    I spent my high school years riding with RC and the crew down in Cali,
    -Schmitty-
    Schmitty...do we know each other? this is Billy I rode a black XCR with colorful little foot prints all over it....PM me. I will be riding with Richard and Eddie this weekend in the 24 Hours of the Old Pueblo I can tell him Hi for you if you would like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by befoot
    Here's a some pics of my friend Bob with his 24" Overland and the bike on the right is a fillet brazed XCR
    Cool, would very appreciate to see some close ups, please.

    Quote Originally Posted by befoot
    just got my friends Valkyrie up and running after being neglected for a very long time.
    btw...howman66 sorry to say but the font in your attachment is not the right one
    see here: http://mombat.org/1989_Mantis_Valkyrie.htm


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    XCR and Pro Flo - Spring Stirrings

    Signs of life on these slow burn projects...

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    Nice teaser of the gray FRO too.

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    Mantis Is Back (in Italy!!!!)

    Just to keep the tread still alive.
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    Oh man.....I love Valkyries. Like a Quadangle for bigger kids.
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    i like the geometry numbers on mantis.
    loong top tubes coupled w/ steep head angle, laidback seat and horiz. level top tubes.
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    What I've found!!!

    It seems that a great number of Mantis is overseas in Italy...
    One of three prototipe of XCR all in aluminum... in Finale Ligure...

    The second one (red, 21") is still in Italy, anyone has some news of the last-one?
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    I was just getting ready to start on my Mantis resto, and I was wondering if they ever anodized any of the aluminum frames. I was planning on having Cycleart repaint it but ano would look so cool but only if it would be "correct".
    Need: McMahon brake for roller cam mounts, Mountain Goat fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy
    I was just getting ready to start on my Mantis resto, and I was wondering if they ever anodized any of the aluminum frames. I was planning on having Cycleart repaint it but ano would look so cool but only if it would be "correct".

    No, I don't think Richard ever did any ano frames...polish yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Nice! Got the original fork for it?
    Rumpfy...we did find the original fork
    but sadly he did sell it...but it was to my pal Bob,
    so that make seven or eight Mantis for Bob
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    Critical Racing

    I was trying to get my Pro Flo build sorted and had some questions regarding the Critical components. First, what year did Critical become the "official" parts supplier for Mantis? and second what years were these stems available? The red one is mine, the silver one which I'm assuming is older was posted on another thread by someone else.
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    They were owned by the same parent company

    After Richard sold the company...so 1995+
    Don't forget Critical brakes and Joe's derailleurs for your build
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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy
    I was just getting ready to start on my Mantis resto, and I was wondering if they ever anodized any of the aluminum frames. I was planning on having Cycleart repaint it but ano would look so cool but only if it would be "correct".
    If you decide to go with paint, remember to ask for paint that chips really easily so that it will be a true Mantis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    After Richard sold the company...so 1995+
    Don't forget Critical brakes and Joe's derailleurs for your build
    Well that sucks. both too new for my frame. Any ideas on vintage for the two stems?

    The Critical brakes would be cool, but I have a set of So Cal made brakes that will work OK.
    Need: McMahon brake for roller cam mounts, Mountain Goat fork.

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    OK, New here, Hey there BILLY!!!

    New to this Forum, but have loved reading everyone's Mantis experiences!
    Here are some pics of my Pro-Floater.
    Maguro hydraulic brakes
    King Headset
    Rock Shox Judy with White springs installed
    Grafton Joy Stix Cranks with a Titanium Spindle (thanks to a machinist buddy I used to ride with)
    btw, Yogi & BooBoo guided me into lots of crashes, but it was a blast!

    Next post will have show my other Mantis, my one of a kind Valkyrie X-Frame.
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    We wait for your X frame!!

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    Here's my RC Prototype Valkyrie X-Frame

    Bought this right out from under RC's ass after I found out that it was his last ride on it, before starting to test ride his 'NEW' full suspension bike that he was thinking of calling the 'Pro-Floater'. I was out riding with my buddy Billy in Chino Hills when we caught site of RC, so Billy on his XCR & me on my Trek 950 joined up and finished the ride with him. When I heard that Richard was going to put this one to pasture, I begged him to let me buy it.

    It was Richard's test project, trying to negate the sluggishness caused by the first gen Rock Shox and he succeeded! It got even more amazing to ride a year later when I swapped out the original RS for the 'New' Rock Shox Mag21. Got it painted at some point by Cycle Art. btw, my buddy made me a Ti Spindle for this one too. Anyway, here is my Valkyrie with it's pierced top tube! Only one RC ever built.
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    Quote Originally Posted by befoot
    No, I don't think Richard ever did any ano frames...polish yes
    Hey Billy, I still remember you kicking a rock into Joe's new powder coated XCR, cause he didn't want to scratch it and was riding like a wuss! No surprise, the rest of that ride up on Wilson became a wild ride, I must have crashed a half dozen times after that first rock chip!

    Can you figure out who I am? You certainly should remember my Valkyrie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkawasaki
    Refound these MBA photos of a Mantis Pro Floater prototype in 1991 - I'm guessing the skinny tubes mean it was fabricated from steel?

    Mr K
    Richard used Chromoly on a lot of his prototypes. It gave him the ability to weld it up, go out and ride it, then cut/grind away the welds so he could tweak head tube angles etc. and re-weld. My Valkyrie X-Frame is Chromoly because it was a prototype frame and experimental, although I think most (if not all) of the X-Frames were Chromoly anyway.
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    That Valkyrie is great--thanks for sharing it! "Pets or meat" haha! Classic scene.
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y
    That Valkyrie is great--thanks for sharing it! "Pets or meat" haha! Classic scene.
    Yeah, Jay and "Big" Bill at Bike Beat, "Pets or Meat" and ridin' my Mantis, good times.
    btw, the "Ride Fast Take Chances" sticker came from them too and "befoot" from this forum is the one that coined the phrase. I put that same message on every one of my snowboards too!

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    Seriously cool Valkyrie!

    Glad you found the forum and thanks for sharing.
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    Yep. I'm digging that bike!

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    Chino Hills was a nice blast from the past too. I grew up riding San Timoteo Canyon and Hulda Crooks!
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graelock
    Hey Billy, I still remember you kicking a rock into Joe's new powder coated XCR, cause he didn't want to scratch it and was riding like a wuss! No surprise, the rest of that ride up on Wilson became a wild ride, I must have crashed a half dozen times after that first rock chip!

    Can you figure out who I am? You certainly should remember my Valkyrie!
    Graelock that's not fair....you know I hit my head real hard (a few times)
    so I just got off the phone with Richard....he was no help

    " I still remember you kicking a rock into Joe's new powder coated XCR"
    it was dirt with some rocks in it.....and no I don't remember that ether

    but I do remember that Valkyrie....spent many a mile chasing that bike
    good to see she is still in service...

    I'm so sorry, I should remember who this is....but I get the "Big fail"
    (funny, because I kind of remember that ride)
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    Yeah that's hot. Wish I had all my BikeBeat shirts still... Frank Sez and all that.

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    Tee shirts? enjoy
    this one Richard did ...how a Mantis is made
    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5226835793/" title="109 by befoot, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5163/5226835793_844f2b40c4.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="109" /></a>
    a couple of old ones
    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5226832947/" title="114 by befoot, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5243/5226832947_9f03efd357.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="114" /></a>
    one that Kenny did....(front and back its falling apart)
    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5226834583/" title="111 by befoot, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5281/5226834583_4cbf722fbf.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="111" /></a>

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5226834033/" title="112 by befoot, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5249/5226834033_79645ca496.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="112" /></a>

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5227430090/" title="110 by befoot, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5088/5227430090_fd14944a04.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="110" /></a>
    and this one was after Richard sold Mantis (new owners shirt)
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    and a couple for Schmitty (sorry everyone...O/T)
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    I have one of those Mantis hieroglyphics t-shirts.
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    Hah! Good stuff.

    Anyone know of any Revolutions still around? The Bike Beat house brand? I posted a pick of one a while back...cool bikes.

    I remember those guys had a habit of putting 'no d**kheads' stickers on clients bikes that were in for repairs.

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    Really Old Stuff

    Haven't seen anything quite this old on the thread. Early custom Mantis Sherpa built for off-road touring and drop bar cross-country exploration. Haven't ridden this in over 20 years. Shown with and without NeedleWorks panniers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graelock
    Bought this right out from under RC's ass after I found out that it was his last ride on it, before starting to test ride his 'NEW' full suspension bike that he was thinking of calling the 'Pro-Floater'. I was out riding with my buddy Billy in Chino Hills when we caught site of RC, so Billy on his XCR & me on my Trek 950 joined up and finished the ride with him. When I heard that Richard was going to put this one to pasture, I begged him to let me buy it.

    It was Richard's test project, trying to negate the sluggishness caused by the first gen Rock Shox and he succeeded! It got even more amazing to ride a year later when I swapped out the original RS for the 'New' Rock Shox Mag21. Got it painted at some point by Cycle Art. btw, my buddy made me a Ti Spindle for this one too. Anyway, here is my Valkyrie with it's pierced top tube! Only one RC ever built.


    Holy crap this thing is pretty freaking radical. I love the seatstay shape and chainstay shape, the pierced toptube is cool too. Very very nice.

    Will

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    I'm kind of wondering how much I should say about this one (it's not mine)
    lets just say it belongs here

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    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5228379978/" title="IMAG0016 by befoot, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5127/5228379978_bc7dc20938.jpg" width="500" height="299" alt="IMAG0016" /></a>

    here's mine

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    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4155556003/" title="Picture 007 by befoot, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2642/4155556003_f4973cf469.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Picture 007" /></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrw333
    Haven't seen anything quite this old on the thread. Early custom Mantis Sherpa built for off-road touring and drop bar cross-country exploration. Haven't ridden this in over 20 years. Shown with and without NeedleWorks panniers.

    That thing is beautiful! What a sweet tour set up!
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    What's with that triple? Is that for a midget up front and would you want a midget as a pilot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinguwin
    What's with that triple? Is that for a midget up front and would you want a midget as a pilot?
    Richard built the triple for his friend Bob.
    Bob has two sons one of which has William Disease, so he built it so Bob could steer from the middle and keep watch on his son...it's very cool

    so just wondering....do you have a problem with midgets?
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    That triple is stunning. Any close ups of the steering mechanism?
    Just a regular guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    That triple is stunning. Any close ups of the steering mechanism?
    how this....
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    Wow, cool thread.

    Here are some pics I just took of my XCR that I ordered from Richard in 1984.

    TriCross tires, 1st generation Answer Manitu fork with aftermarket Ti kit, Ti front spokes, Ibis stem, WTB bars, American Classic hubs and skewers and some shifter adapters that I made myself.
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    Just have to say the Mantis thread is killing it. Everyone who has shared a bike over the last week, thanks. They are all amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue
    Just have to say the Mantis thread is killing it. Everyone who has shared a bike over the last week, thanks. They are all amazing.

    Yeah, that red Mantis Sherpa up there is awesome!!!


    modifier:
    question did the top and bottom tube have some repairs done?
    I had a small crack in the down tube up near the head tube.
    Mark Grayson/NorthStar cycles (Richards ex-partner in Mantis early days)
    fix it for me by way of a guest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by befoot
    Yeah, that red Mantis Sherpa up there is awesome!!!


    modifier:
    question did the top and bottom tube have some repairs done?
    I had a small crack in the down tube up near the head tube.
    Mark Grayson/NorthStar cycles (Richards ex-partner in Mantis early days)
    fix it for me by way of a guest.


    Cheers
    Yes it was cracked at the headtube/downtube. I sent it back to Richard and he installed the gussets and polished out the frame. It used to be light yellow.

    I road it for a few more years and it is creaking again so I think it has cracked again under the gusset. No signs outside.

    Not a big deal. I don't ride it any more. Just a nice piece of history
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    Hey everybody....I sent Richard a link to this thread, here's his response:

    "Saw you were on the MTBR site. I guess I should join up and answer a few posts.
    What a wonderful thing, to see my children in loving hands.
    HA! R"

    "I have an email you can give out to anyone who may need a bike question answered"
    So I don't want to post it, but if you have a question PM me and I can give it to you

    Cheers all


    modifier...sorry your XCR is busted
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    I'd love to see him build again. Talent!
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    thought I should post these...

    My 1995 Pro Floater (frame only... hangin' on the wall of my office)

    My 1992 Pro Floater (with later upgraded swingarm)

    our "ride team" from 1995. Team Dirt Works Australia. For those that can't see the T-shirt at the back... it reads:
    Harder - Faster - Stronger - Fulfill your fantasies
    then on the back was a Mantis logo with the words "Mantis Pro Floater - the swweetest full suspension ride"...

    Don't miss the custom Mantis plates on the car.

    and... my ankle. The ink was done in 1993.

    Elvis.
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    BB Service

    A Mantis tidbit I came across.
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    No it never stops hurting, but if you keep at it you can go faster.

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    just recently sold this

    It wasn't my size but it was a cool jersey



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    Quote Originally Posted by crconsulting
    just recently sold this
    It wasn't my size but it was a cool jersey
    I still have mine. And while it's waaaayyy too small nowadays.

    I refuse to sell it.

    Elvis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis @ Dirt Works
    I still have mine. And while it's waaaayyy too small nowadays.

    I refuse to sell it.

    Elvis.
    It's a nice jersey.
    I might of kept it if I actually had a Mantis, But I'm kinda into the "other" Cunningham

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    Quote Originally Posted by modifier
    A Mantis tidbit I came across.

    Hey Modifier thanks for posting that ...though I guess i could always ask Richard
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    Wow!
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    Radical. How do those Progressive Brakes work? Are you using a Rotary Brake out back?
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    matching brakes. > v-brakes, < disk.


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    Cool thread...

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    Hi all..I am now the proud owner of a Mantis Pro Floater...the bike I wanted all thru the nineties but gave up on when suspensions developed and mantis went away. All the review and talk here has me sooo stoked to ride this thing but first it needs built. All I have are a frame and a fork. I need some info if someone dont mind too much. (Yes, I'll get photos soon). Its got a 1" headset so its an earlier one but it looks like the swingarm is newer. What I would like to know is what seatpost diameter to get and what front der diameter to get? TIA, just want to do some checking around to see what I parts I can get ahold of (period correct parts of course).

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    Pictures would be appreciated. Seatpost should be 26.8mm. Front derailleur should be 35mm top pull, unless there's a pully to use a bottom pull.
    Need: McMahon brake for roller cam mounts, Mountain Goat fork.

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    thanks for the info..seatpost fit fine, still working on front der. I'm attaching a pic if it will let me. I'm gathering components to build this thing upa nd ride it. Cant wiat to see how it feels, I've been waiting almost 20 years to ride one of these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syklystt View Post
    I've been waiting almost 20 years to ride one of these things.
    Nothing like scratching a 20 year long itch!
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    Mantis XCR proto

    I don't really understand if there are only 3 frames made by RC (actually there are 3 frameset in Italy). Raceware, the Italian dealer of Mantis in the hey days, says that about 50 frames were made.... There was an interesting article on MBA about the XCR proto, no way to find it?
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    Origin of the Species

    The father of all Maniti and the delivery room.
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    cool pic of a young RC.

    I think I have a pic somewhere on my desk of myself in 1994 just before Interbike, pressing bearings into pivots when I visited them in Orange County...

    I was even there when the 1st ever Screaming V (sample) was delivered.

    *sigh*

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    Mantis Flying V

    Hello guys,

    Great topic this Mantis topic! Beautifull bikes you all have :-)
    I think this will be my second post, but I'm allready bussy for a long time with retro bikes and parts.

    I'm introducing something special here I think.
    A Mantis Flying V custom painted.
    Frame number is: VL181933 or VL181033.

    The original owner in the USA ordered this color because he loved his Tank Top in this color. So he sended it to Mantis an order the Mantis Flying V in this color.
    Brand new, NOS, superb condition, etc.
    So I had the chance to buy it and I took that chance. And I do not regret this :-)
    I hope to post a picture soon, as I need the 10 posts first :-)

    So now I have to build up this beautifull bike.
    I only need some parts, maybe you can help me with that?

    - Rock Shox Mag 21 (SL) steerer/crown, 1 inch, ahead.
    - Chris King 1 inch aheadset, silver or purple.
    - Answer Atac or RinglÚ Zooka ahead, 1 inch, silver or purple.
    - Ringle, XTR M900 silver, Kalloy Chrome/silver, Use, Syncros titanium or whatever kind of brand Seatpost, 26.8mm, minimal 350mm long, silver or purple.

    I will post some pics of the proces building up the Mantis Flying V in the near future!

    Greetings, Dirk

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    Recent pickup, 1983 fillet brazed XCR with original biplane fork. Matching serial numbers. Needs a lot of work. Better pics sometime in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMRTIN View Post
    Recent pickup, 1983 fillet brazed XCR with original biplane fork. Matching serial numbers. Needs a lot of work. Better pics sometime in the near future.
    Great find!!

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    Nice Find!
    On the rear dropouts already the cantilever bosses!!!

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    That is a killer pickup. A fillet brazed XCR is one of the bikes high up on my wish list. Doesn't look like it needs that much work. I'd keep the light wear rather than repainting.

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    Thanks. Sadly this is probably the 2nd or 3rd paintjob, you can see the remnants of the original fuschia and flouro yellow Landshark paintjob on the fork steerer.

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    That's a keeper!

    Nice find.
    Seek: Koski Trailmaster. Breezer Series 2 or 3. Cunningham Racer.

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    Mantis XCR

    Not so special, but for me looks great...
    Sorry for the crappy photos inside my house, but in Italy it doesn't stop raining...
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    My '92 XCR-EC





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    Cool!
    Certainly worth the big pictures.
    Seek: Koski Trailmaster. Breezer Series 2 or 3. Cunningham Racer.

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    WOW...2 very nice XCR's....thanks for sharing them!

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    Very very nice bike, but, how the Tioga revolver on press fit BB??

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    Quote Originally Posted by alasa View Post
    Very very nice bike, but, how the Tioga revolver on press fit BB??
    Haha, the I.D. of the press-fit bearings is the same as the I.D of the Revolver BB bearings. I just had to make a custom spacer for each side of the crank/bearing interfaces. Pretty easy fit-up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying_V View Post
    Not so special, but for me looks great...
    Sorry for the crappy photos inside my house, but in Italy it doesn't stop raining...
    Wow this is really similar to my build when I got mine from CBO in...hmm..1990(?) Ringle skewers, Bullseye hubs though I had nukeproof on my Pro-floater, but mostly the color. I assume this is the deep purple? I should get mine repainted I suspect some day and put on the NOS stickers I have. Thanks for the flashback!
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    Cross chain fail. At least its not big/big.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    Wow this is really similar to my build when I got mine from CBO in...hmm..1990(?) Ringle skewers, Bullseye hubs though I had nukeproof on my Pro-floater, but mostly the color. I assume this is the deep purple? I should get mine repainted I suspect some day and put on the NOS stickers I have. Thanks for the flashback!
    Unfortunaly the frame has been repainted in blue colour. Thanks!

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    XRMATTAZ, who are you, I also did the Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday Chino Hills/ Anaheim Hills rides. I rode the Merlin ( sorry Richard C) Those were some great days back then, still some of my fondest memories on the bike. .........didn't realize your original posting date, 9 years ago until I posted........
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    NIce to see that bike built up. I am in the mood to get an XCR-EC again. Cool bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig View Post
    NIce to see that bike built up. I am in the mood to get an XCR-EC again. Cool bikes.
    Cheers BP. If you happen to 'stumble' across a Valkyrie on your search, you know who to call.
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    For all "Mantis Experts" give a quick look to the thread of the "Flying V" painted (?) by Troy Lee, and give me some information to understand if it's a fake or not.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Cross chain fail. At least its not big/big.
    'Thinks he knows it all' fail. That's an absurd comment. It's people like you... actually it's damn-near only you that drives people away from this site.

    The bike's a 'garage queen' as you 'hard-core types' so quaintly put it. Bikes should be stored with no derailleur spring tension & it was photographed exactly as it lives it's life.

    Didn't your Mother tell you that if you don't have anything good to say then not to say anything at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arran View Post
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    The blue XCR is superb--totally love it, green likewise. Very nice rides/or 'display bikes,' as the case may be.
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
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    Since we're on an XCR "roll" here's a pic of the non-elevated version. It's not quite as nice as the other two, and it's a repaint with the decals slightly misplaced. The gear selection is the gear that I was the last time I rode it on the trail. (I did wipe the frame with a rag to remove dust/dirt from it.)

    I like the ride of the bike - it climbs well and tracks great downhill. The BB is pretty low and I find that I catch my pedals on rocks more than I do on other bikes. I understand why MBA's "Wrecking Crew" liked these so much back in the day.

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    One more XCR EC to add to the list






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    Whats with Mantis bikes and poor gear selections for photoshoots?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Whats with Mantis bikes and poor gear selections for photoshoots?
    What's wrong with Altus and a droopy chain?

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    Loving the big purple job too, laffeaux. Don't see many Mantii in proper sizes The umma gummas are rad too.
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    Wow it's nice to see that bikes after 20 and more years yet cross the trails.
    Very nice the XCR with the low chainstays and the paintjob on the small EC XCR!

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    Flying V

    Another day without the possibility to leave home, so another set of photos.
    In my opinion the most fashinating Mantis made by RC, for the appearence, for the magic feel on the singletrack...
    I hope you will enjoy it!
    The fork is not period correct, I need to install the Pace RC-35 with steel tubolar brake arch.
    In Italy the Mantis frameset were solr with Pace fork...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arran View Post
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    You did a terrific job. Your mother would be proud of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMRTIN View Post
    What's wrong with Altus and a droopy chain?

    LOL! Not a thingydingy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying_V View Post
    In my opinion the most fashinating Mantis made by RC, for the appearence, for the magic feel on the singletrack...
    Very nice bike!

    I always thought the Valkyrie had the most fascinating appearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    Very nice bike!

    I always thought the Valkyrie had the most fascinating appearance.
    Thanks.
    About the Valkyrie perhaps you are right, let me say in other words: the most innovative or catch eye appearance...
    Before the Flying V appeared on the scene It was difficult to say that a bike could have this aspect.

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    Looking to pick up an early Pro Floater. Only problem is that there's a fine crack that's formed on the weld on the gusset by the first cable stop on the drive side swing arm.

    Should I be concerned? Can it be repaired?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockiMtn View Post
    Looking to pick up an early Pro Floater. Only problem is that there's a fine crack that's formed on the weld on the gusset by the first cable stop on the drive side swing arm.

    Should I be concerned? Can it be repaired?

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    That is where mine broke. I think a lot of the mantii with the aluminum swing arms did that. As I recall when i was looking it is a 6000 series aluminum so it needs heat treating. Check around to see if there is somewhere that heat treats in your area. Then find a frame builder that works with 6000 series aluminum and have them repair. I believe that the design was flawed in this swing arm and a repair will just delay the inevitable break anyway.
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    Pro Floater Repair

    You can see the repair I had done to mine in this thread, with heat treatment.

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    Mine has a crack in almost the same place. The guy I got it from said it was not a structural problem though.



    Picked this one up today thanks to a great tip. Check another one off my want list. Including correct rigid fork and seat clamp, Mavic crank set and perfect condition, uncut Klein Mission Control. Price? Lets just say its the same price I just sold a Bridgestone MB1 frame for....I couldn't get out of there fast enough.



    Need: McMahon brake for roller cam mounts, Mountain Goat fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy View Post
    Very nice!!! I like the color.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy View Post
    Mine has a crack in almost the same place. The guy I got it from said it was not a structural problem though.



    Picked this one up today thanks to a great tip. Check another one off my want list. Including correct rigid fork and seat clamp, Mavic crank set and perfect condition, uncut Klein Mission Control. Price? Lets just say its the same price I just sold a Bridgestone MB1 frame for....I couldn't get out of there fast enough.



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    I think it was yours. I was just joking about what the previous owner said. It's next in line to go to the frame repair shop.
    Need: McMahon brake for roller cam mounts, Mountain Goat fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy View Post
    I think it was yours. I was just joking about what the previous owner said. It's next in line to go to the frame repair shop.
    Oh I got the joke I just wondering if it was mine. I couldn't remember who I sold it to. Glad you are getting it repaired. Wish my area had someone that could have done it but then it is better off with a collector than me as I still don't have the impetus to get my XCR-EC back together and such. Let me know when you get it repaired and back together.
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    All things Mantis...-integral-binder-mantis-7.jpgAll things Mantis...-integral-binder-mantis-4.jpgJust shipped out a binder for a XCR. RC is going to do the repair himself.

    Trying to get the guts at the local bike shop was a joke. How do some guys even get a job I'll never know. It was like talking carburetors to the Napa counter person kid. I'm pretty sure they still use seat binder QR's but this guy had no clue as to what I was doing. What, modify something to fit what??? Didn't know the difference between 5 and 6mm even. All the old timers are long gone.
    I did find some new Campy binders at another shop in Boulder for $17 and together with another $7 import the guts can be made pretty easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geckocycles View Post
    Just shipped out a binder for a XCR. RC is going to do the repair himself.

    Trying to get the guts at the local bike shop was a joke. How do some guys even get a job I'll never know. It was like talking carburetors to the Napa counter person kid. I'm pretty sure they still use seat binder QR's but this guy had no clue as to what I was doing. What, modify something to fit what??? Didn't know the difference between 5 and 6mm even. All the old timers are long gone.
    I did find some new Campy binders at another shop in Boulder for $17 and together with another $7 import the guts can be made pretty easily.
    haha. It's kinda funny. Now a long-time rider is one that knew those old tires before tubeless (circa 2003).

    Had a "vintage seller" on ebay tell me not to worry, because the tires would be super easy to swap 'cause they're not even tubeless. Got a nice chuckle out of that one.

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    What's a tubeless tire?
    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by geckocycles View Post
    What's a tubeless tire?
    LOL
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    All things Mantis...

    Hello,
    I'm trying to renew my flyingV (controltech) by fitting disc (a2z adapter) and mounting a suspension fork, what if I choose a 100/120 travel...
    Will the resulting geometry be undriveble?
    The frame is a bit small for me and I want to create an usable fun bike.
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    If the frame is too small, I don't see how adding discs and a long travel fork are going to fix that?
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    All things Mantis...

    A bit small, not too much, I rode it for years, but I want to add some fun to the thing, I'm no geometry expert and I do not know how far I can go in fork length
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    I don't know specifically as I haven't ridden the bike or know what fork is on there now but I would be very hesitant to put a 120mm fork on it or even a 100mm. From what I recall in other threads, putting disc brakes on bikes that weren't designed for it often results in a broken stay and that would be a real shame.

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    Those CT built frames were designed around 80mm travel. Anything more and it will start to feel like a badly designed chopper and be less and less fun to ride. Add to the price of properly designed disc mounts, and I'm pretty sure it won't be worth it.

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    All things Mantis...

    Ok, I will try step by step, I already have the a2z adapter (very cheap, around 25 bucks) so first discs, I will go easy on the lever and see if the back holds it.
    I will keep u updated
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    The longer the travel, the shorter the stem you want. Older geometry means shorter top tubes. I did the math and i would say "stay away from long travel forks".
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    I just pick this up today from the original owner, Rick.
    1988 or 89 Valkyrie.
    Original fork and I think, in the box of parts he gave me, the original stem.
    The frame is straight but will need a repaint sometime in the near future as the original owner tried to remove the old black paint on the rear but gave up after a bit.
    I don't know much about Mantis, only what I read in this thread and some articles I found in a google search.
    The fellow I bought it from said it was custom. Did they do custom frames?
    I see no serial number on the frame. Where should I look?
    Rick also gave me 2 old Mantis T-shirts. One signed by Richard C himself.
    BTW, who was calling him and telling him they would pay triple?

    Any help or advice is welcomed.


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    So, after further investigation and calling the original owner it looks like the frame had been repaired back in the early 90's. He cant remember when.
    It seems he sent it back to mantis and they re-welded it but never re-welded the cable guides for the front derailleur and rear derailleur. DOH! So that is why he never road it after it was fixed. Gonna take it to a friend that builds frame locally and see what he can do.

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    Looks like a really nice one with fillet brazed joints. There was a giant one on eBay recently that was also brazed not TIG welded. Did not know that these existed for the elevated model.

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    Awesome awesome awesome pick up. The one I had (now DC has it) was also cracked and repaired in the same place. I think this was pretty common on these Valkyries...forgetting to read the guides seems about right too.

    Definitely worth getting the guides put back in place and acceptable for a respray.

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    Thanks Eric.
    I have always wanted one because they remind me of the old Quadangle BMX bike.
    It may be a little small for my 6 feet but I think I can make it work.
    Now just to choose a color.

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    Go wild. Maybe match the t-shirt you got.
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    I'm a big fan of the elevated chainstay bikes too. I used to want a Yeti but after seeing a bunch of Mantises floating around, I could convince myself that one of these would make a great belt drive IGH bike. Even easy enough to weld on disc tabs and bring it up to modern snuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    Looks like a really nice one with fillet brazed joints. There was a giant one on eBay recently that was also brazed not TIG welded. Did not know that these existed for the elevated model.
    Yours isn't brazed DC?
    The few Valkyries (elevated and not) that I've had were all brazed. Most of them were unfiled fillets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne View Post
    Yours isn't brazed DC?
    The few Valkyries (elevated and not) that I've had were all brazed. Most of them were unfiled fillets.
    Hey, you might be right. The joints at the BB are all TIG for sure, but the rest on mine do look more like unfiled fillets. I always thought they were really bad TIG welds or even gas welds. My seattube has a repair with lots of TIG beads. It certainly doesn't look as nice as this one LarryJo just scored.

    For reference, here is my Valkyrie,

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    Quote Originally Posted by LARRYJO View Post
    I just pick this up today from the original owner, Rick.
    1988 or 89 Valkyrie.
    Original fork and I think, in the box of parts he gave me, the original stem.
    The frame is straight but will need a repaint sometime in the near future as the original owner tried to remove the old black paint on the rear but gave up after a bit.
    I don't know much about Mantis, only what I read in this thread and some articles I found in a google search.
    The fellow I bought it from said it was custom. Did they do custom frames?
    I see no serial number on the frame. Where should I look?
    Rick also gave me 2 old Mantis T-shirts. One signed by Richard C himself.
    BTW, who was calling him and telling him they would pay triple?

    Any help or advice is welcomed.


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    If I'm correct Mantis do custom frames, especially the early butch of production of each type of frames. For the serial number give a look on the bottom of the bottom braket... Very nice find, keep us informed with the restoration of the paint. And post some photos of the components and the Mantis stem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying_V View Post
    If I'm correct Mantis do custom frames, especially the early butch of production of each type of frames. For the serial number give a look on the bottom of the bottom braket...
    This ^

    A lot of his work was semi-custom/custom.
    The serial number will be unter the BB but may be filled in with paint. It will be VKxxxx or the owners name/nickname.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    I'm a big fan of the elevated chainstay bikes too. I used to want a Yeti but after seeing a bunch of Mantises floating around, I could convince myself that one of these would make a great belt drive IGH bike. Even easy enough to weld on disc tabs and bring it up to modern snuff.
    Please don't molest these bikes. If you want disc brakes, just get a modern bike.

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    Get a unicycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Please don't molest these bikes. If you want disc brakes, just get a modern bike.
    Beat me to it.

    Why bring an old design using old tube sets never designed for the stresses of disc tabs etc to bring it up to modern snuff?

    Makes no sense whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    I'm a big fan of the elevated chainstay bikes too. I used to want a Yeti but after seeing a bunch of Mantises floating around, I could convince myself that one of these would make a great belt drive IGH bike. Even easy enough to weld on disc tabs and bring it up to modern snuff.
    CT Team Issue bikes are good candidates for this. Not a Mantis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LARRYJO View Post
    So, after further investigation and calling the original owner it looks like the frame had been repaired back in the early 90's. He cant remember when.
    It seems he sent it back to mantis and they re-welded it but never re-welded the cable guides for the front derailleur and rear derailleur. DOH! So that is why he never road it after it was fixed. Gonna take it to a friend that builds frame locally and see what he can do.
    Sorry for that, but from the pictures seems that the cable guide for the rear derailleur are in place, it seems that the cable guide for the rear brake are missing...

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    I have a favor to ask of the mantis owners out there.
    I need a good photo of the non drive side of a Valkyrie as that is where the front deraillier and rear brake guides/stops are.
    Since mine are missing I need a good reference photo to give to my buddy who will weld some on.
    Also, does anyone have a line on decals?
    Thanks,
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    Did you check the link I posted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    Did you check the link I posted?
    Doh! Just saw it. Thanks!

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    All things Mantis...

    A2z disc adapter in flyingV Ct frame, done.
    SID race 100mm, done.
    Rides great!!
    I will post some pictures in september after repaint, I'm too ashamed of the actual paint condition ..
    I have still an issue to solve that I forgot to mention before:
    No matter what rear qr I use, under heavy pedal force the qr will slip driveside making the tyre rub against the left side of chainstais..
    Anyone had the same problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironbelly View Post
    to solve that I forgot to mention before:
    No matter what rear qr I use, under heavy pedal force the qr will slip driveside making the tyre rub against the left side of chainstais..
    Anyone had the same problem?
    chack for parallelism on the rear dropouts....if one is bent, the skewer wont hold correctly and slide out under load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironbelly View Post
    No matter what rear qr I use, under heavy pedal force the qr will slip driveside making the tyre rub against the left side of chainstais..
    If a Shimano QR is slipping there's likely some issue with the frame. They hold the wheel incredibly tight - I've used them to hold single speed wheels with horizontal dropouts.
    Each bicycle owned exponentially increases the probability that none is working correctly.

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    All things Mantis...

    Quote Originally Posted by syklystt View Post
    chack for parallelism on the rear dropouts....if one is bent, the skewer wont hold correctly and slide out under load.
    Ok, will check
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    also, I've seen this before (mostly on the drive side form the der hanger being bent), you should be able to tell what side is slipping first...that would usually be the bent one.

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    The drive side is slipping first, but the hanger is straight, longitudinally and vertically...
    Idunnow!!
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