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    Got an email....town forest will be open to development of MTB trails. 600 ares in total, starting this month. ALSO, Norwich is in the planning stages of developing a XC recreation center and renovation of the old ski area base buildings on 600 adjoining acres....pretty stoked. Anyone interested in helping with the contruction of the town forest trails, pm me. The local VMBA chapter (Northfield Trail Assn.) will be helping the town plan the network and build the trails. The potential here is HUGE. 1200 acres that also ties into Berlin TF and Irish Hill currently being developed by the Montpelier VMBA chapter. Many hands make light work.
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    This is awesome dave. Can't wait to help.
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    Update after a year or so. The town conservation commision is moving very slowly. I have been to many meeting. It seems there is likely to be MTB access on the town forrest up to the summit of Paine. Their management recomendation will be passed along to the town select board soonish (this calander year?) Norwich University went ahead and hired Sinuosity out of Hinesburg to build out a 10 mile recreation trail network in and around the abandon ski hill across the street from Norwich University. There is exsisting DH trail here that Tim has been taking loving care of and with the addition of the prposed trails there will be a couple more "down" oriented trail, and an "up" that helps us mortals gain the top of the ski hill. From there there will be a loop out the back of the ski area to extend near the top of barrows rd and the far edge of the school property. Assuming the town does eventually give us permission to use exsisting trails on their parcel, that plus the trail on the adjoining Norwich land will add up to a descent amount of trail. All in all at least 15 miles. Starting at 800 and peaking out at just under 2400...pretty cool stuff unfolding. Stay tuned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt
    Update after a year or so. The town conservation commision is moving very slowly. I have been to many meeting. It seems there is likely to be MTB access on the town forrest up to the summit of Paine. Their management recomendation will be passed along to the town select board soonish (this calander year?) Norwich University went ahead and hired Sinuosity out of Hinesburg to build out a 10 mile recreation trail network in and around the abandon ski hill across the street from Norwich University. There is exsisting DH trail here that Tim has been taking loving care of and with the addition of the prposed trails there will be a couple more "down" oriented trail, and an "up" that helps us mortals gain the top of the ski hill. From there there will be a loop out the back of the ski area to extend near the top of barrows rd and the far edge of the school property. Assuming the town does eventually give us permission to use exsisting trails on their parcel, that plus the trail on the adjoining Norwich land will add up to a descent amount of trail. All in all at least 15 miles. Starting at 800 and peaking out at just under 2400...pretty cool stuff unfolding. Stay tuned.
    Nice work! Glad to see your persistence will be paying off.

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    Exciting news. I live up near exit 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plumbitup
    Exciting news. I live up near exit 5.
    yea. I live in Northfield too. With the news that Millstone will likely be purchased and designated town forrest by Barre town, which will mean free riding and a real trail work effort, and this development, CVT is getting cooler by the second.

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    I am looking for some trails in the Northfield area, I will be graduating from norwich in June and would love to ride that week, any helpful information on trails in this area would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Rick

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    Go to Millstone. And head accross the street and check out what's going on. Not a ton of stuff finished yet, but worth checking out for a quick ride.

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    thanks for the info, is it close to Norwich?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tackle View Post
    thanks for the info, is it close to Norwich?
    do asearch on this site for millstone. The trails at Norwich are going in accross the street at the old ski hill.

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    Any update on the scale and scope of this project? I know some sanctioned building has been happening but are we still talking about a 1200 acre area for the long term?

    Either way, subscribed to this thread for updates and work days. I'm in Montpelier with some tools and additional recruitable labor.

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    i've been emailing Brooke, and the school has indicated they are interested in building out the entire proposed project on their 600+ acres piece, of which about 1/3 is roughed in. The adjoining 600 acre town forrest is still waiting on a finalized management plan, but from what I've gleened from conversations witht the town forester, they are going to aprrove use on exisiting trail by MTBs, which means the Paine Mtn Trail from the old Cheney Farm where the town water works is now will be a viable climb to the summit of Paine, which will tie into singletrack at the back end of the Norwich lot. If everyhing that is getting talked about get's build it will be 12-15+ miles of multiuse/singletrack in and around the abandon ski area in Northfield.

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    Been working with Brooke and Jason finishing up phase 1 of the Norwich project which will be about 6 miles of trail. He has submitted a proposal for phase 2 which they are in the fund raising stage of. The trail going in as part of phase 1 is mostly 50 inch wide, buffed out, bermed out, pumpy trail with some tables and small airs. FUN to ride. Phase 2 will consist of more bike trail behind the ski area built more like modern bench cut single track and add a few more miles of trail, if it gets funded.
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    A teaser...
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    Nice berms! How does one find a trailhead in that area?

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    Trailhead

    At the old ski hill across the street from Norwich University, actually on Cresent Street. Pull in amongst the new landscaping and construction and find the dirt lot on the left. There is a map on the side of the new Outdoor Center, which is the new building just up from the lot. There is still alot of work to do on drainage on some trails so please avoid riding the wet stuff. I think of the 6 miles of trail in phase 1 about1/2 to 2/3 is 100 percent done.

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    Top notch. Is this machine built, hand finished? I'm guessing 50" means mini-ex was used?

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    Quote Originally Posted by radair View Post
    Top notch. Is this machine built, hand finished? I'm guessing 50" means mini-ex was used?
    Yup. Mini excvavator and a ditch witch, finished with hand tools.

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    Broke ground on new trail last week, onto the last major section of new work of phase 1. It will be machine built, generally DH specific, I think 30 inch tread. It is flagged and cleared and starts at the top of the old ski hill. Skier's right side of the old lift line. As you drop in to the Old DH MTB trail it spilts left almost immediately. Switchbacks accross the DH tral a few times, eventually crosses the lift line and connescts to the southern most DH line off of the old "StageCoach" ski trail immediately below the old big ladder drop. Eventually it feeds into the Green trail right where all the sweet berms start on that downhill section. It is rideable in it's rough form now, but watch out for some stumps and other rubble. I think this run is gonn abe pretty legit. Finger's crossed for phase 2 funding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    Looks like some awesome work going on there! Well done.

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    yah! looking real nice over there, great job guys!

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    Norwich Trails Map and Comments

    Took Father's Day to explore what is going on in Northfield. Really enjoyed the trail construction and the climb to to the top. A few observations, much of the trail cornering construction appears to be designed more for coming down than going up. As a comparison the trails in Pittsfield ride equally well in both directions. The wooded section of the solid yellow trail (see map) could use a little attention when it comes to thumb size stumps. There a still quite a few "gothcha's" to watch out for in the wooded duffy portion of the trail. Especially if your headed in downhill. After almost busting a lung within 50 yards of the top we rode down the dotted orange (see map) . Very challenging in it's current state. Can't wait to ride the final product. All in all I really liked the area and plan to return. It's not that far from home base in Morrisville. It will be even better if/when it can get linked in with Irish Hill.
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    The Irish hill link is very possible. Northfield has two parcels of town forrest. One is the northern boundry of the Norwich property we are working on, the other is to the north of Turkey Hill rd. If access was given to this piece, we could almost connect directly to the class 4 section of Darling Hill rd which is part of the Irish hill ride. Last I heard, a couple years ago, the conservation comission was no recomending any uses for this piece of town forrest because of an endangered salamander. Not to say it will never happen. Hopefully as the scene grows here in town, we can get a little more organized and have that conversation.
    And be warned. This area is in the middle of construction. You will ride finished trail, partially built, leaf blown areas that will soon be trail, and old school rake-and-ride DH stuff. Be on your toes for stumps and machinery on the unfinished sections.

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    during my graduation from norwich this week I had the opportunity to ride the Northfield mountain and I thought the trails were were clean and flowing coming down the mountain, the climb was tough but that is how it is supposed to be. Coming from Maine the trails were very different, not allot of technical spots but great scenery. I also had the opportunity to ride millstone and waterbury vt, both spots were great, my hats off to all that maintain the trails in northfield, I can't wait to get back.

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    Wow. I am super happy to see these developments.

    I lived in Northfield and Montpelier for a few years while my wife and I taught at Norwich. Not the right academic environment for us, but we definitely dug the outdoor scene which, for us, was primarily hiking and snowshoeing. We did a TON on Paine (with an infant/toddler on my back) and I was always eyeing up the trails (and fearing the big DH drop at the top). But, I wasn't really into massive riding.

    Fast forward a few years and I'm riding a ton and not doing too much hiking. Can't wait to visit that neck of the woods and hit these new NU/Northfield trails. Possibly during an August trek to Kingdom trails. Curious about the Millstone developments. Only rode there once, but it was fun. Are the land owners donating the land to Barre Town?

    Not to take this too far off topic, but how are the trails north of Montpelier holding up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor76 View Post
    Wow. I am super happy to see these developments.

    I lived in Northfield and Montpelier for a few years while my wife and I taught at Norwich. Not the right academic environment for us, but we definitely dug the outdoor scene which, for us, was primarily hiking and snowshoeing. We did a TON on Paine (with an infant/toddler on my back) and I was always eyeing up the trails (and fearing the big DH drop at the top). But, I wasn't really into massive riding.

    Fast forward a few years and I'm riding a ton and not doing too much hiking. Can't wait to visit that neck of the woods and hit these new NU/Northfield trails. Possibly during an August trek to Kingdom trails. Curious about the Millstone developments. Only rode there once, but it was fun. Are the land owners donating the land to Barre Town?

    Not to take this too far off topic, but how are the trails north of Montpelier holding up?

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    The town of Barre is trying to buy the Rock of Ages land that Millstone exists on as town forrest. They are in the fund raising stages. Riding in Montpelier remains much as it has been for years. Good if you know where to go. Invisible if you don't. By August most of phase one should be done here in Northfield.

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    Dave,

    Many thanks to you and your crew for all your work. Five of us had a great ride at Norwich the other day. The groomers are amazing and the winding singletrack (we rode yellow) is a blast. Yellow needs a little stump work as Oldicehouse said above, and that one corner comes up on you fast (you know the corner I'm talking about, I'm sure). But those are nitpicks at best. And I'd love to help pluck stumps the next time there's a work day.

    What a resource this place is going to be, especially when everything is linked up with Irish Hill. It could rival Millstone as a destination, maybe even KT someday. Yeah, I said it.

    But it's so different from either of those places, it won't be so much a competitor for their visitors, but a complement to the rest of the top-tier destinations in Vermont.

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    Fuzz, it is my pleasure, really! It's Brooke's crew, I just work on it. His design and vision, we're just helping execute. It really is gonna be a unique ride spot. There is some primative single track out behind the ski hill that will be connected very soon. Once yellow is done, we will work our way up on orange. All of it will be machine built, all the stumps are coming out, but the orange from the top will be narrower and more technical then the yellow and green stuff. Cheers.

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    Narrower and more technical is perfect. The sculpted bobled runs are really sweet but some more traditional New England single would be icing on the cake. Can't wait.
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    Little progress update. Yellow trail south of the lift line is completed. We have about 1400 linear feet on the north side of the property to finish yellow up. More pumps, jumps and berms being shaped, then on the Orange. Should take us about a week to finish yellow completely, assuming we get a descent weather window. Also, the primative singletrack out the back of the ski area has finally been connected to the ridge trail that comes off the true summit of Paine. This is a couple/few miles of primative, raked in sniggle. It needs traffic. The climb to the lean-to is about 2 miles of double track. Goat has not been raked yet, but should be burned in enough, it's years old. The new trail starts at the height of land off the double track after you ride goat and bang a right on the double. If you start going down on the double track after making the right at the end of goat, you went too far, it's only a couple hundred yards between goat and the new trail. It needs traffic....go ride it.
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    How about a berm on this "grassy knoll" leading out of the Paine Mtn. Trail into the field? My whole group almost ate it there. The n00b guy just blew through it and sailed down into the field.



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    Prolly not gonna happen. That's the climb anyway fuzz.

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    Heh, I figured. What about a 12 foot wooden berm wall? Concrete?

    We went partway up there then turned around because we were short on time. I'm the fastest descender in the group, so I went first, blew out of the woods, did the slo-mo "oh...my...gawww..." and barely made the grassy, slippery off-camber corner. Three other guys skittered around and held on.

    The last guy just honed straight into the tall grass. He was fine.

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    Just GPSed the loop to the lean to and back.It's a 2.5 mile climb gaining 1500ish feet, followed by a 5 mile, mostly DH rip back to the lot. 1.5 hours maybe. Glorious out today!

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    Is the lean-to at the left/north end of Goat? Did you climb up the old doubletrack on the left/north?

    What combo of trails did you descend to make 5 miles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzz541 View Post
    Is the lean-to at the left/north end of Goat? Did you climb up the old doubletrack on the left/north?

    What combo of trails did you descend to make 5 miles?
    So you climb the Paine Mtn trail from the north end fo the town field (old Cheney Farm), up to the lean to at the clearing. (small house shape on my paint map) From there you hit Goat, which is a little overgrown in the field, but easy to follow once in the woods, minus a couple blow downs I need to clear...it's at the south end of the meadow the lean to is in. Ride that out to the new trail ( a short climb up the double to the right when you pop out of the singletrack) Newly raked in trail on the left at the top of the hill, if you start going down you went too far. This singletrack is rolling terrain, mostly down with a short climb or two. Eventually it puts you on some older rake and ride that connects to the back of the old ski hill where we hit the unfinished orange, to yellow to green, which is 99 percent downhill. Great loop of rake and ride and buffed....machine built. I'm pretty stoked. That connection has been years of work, mostly route finding. Finally a good loop from my house here in town!

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    Ripping!

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    Thanks, Dave. We'll try that loop next time we have a couple of hours and feel like a big climb/reward.
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    Wow. We hit Dave's loop today. Observations:

    The climb up the left/north end is a beast. Smooth double to rocky jeep track, with a couple of mud crossings for good measure. We took our time and eventually made it (I was the suffering sandbagger). At the lean-to, we had trouble finding Goat but I think we got the first part of it - south from the fire pit?

    After that, we missed "new sniggle," got lost and wound up bushwhacking through the hardwoods down to the southern field by the VAST trails. We almost continued south. GPS saved us, and we worked our way back along VAST to the lower red connector. Not sure what we hit, but I think it was the orange dot "snowshoe" trail pictured in post 24, then back into the main section.

    Holy s***. The orange bit is the gnarliest singletrack I've ridden in years. Loved it. I hope Brooke and co. keep it a little "wilder" than the rest of the hill. It makes a great "expert XC/AM" area to complement the highly groomed stuff.

    The Yellow trail is now a total ripper. So fun at speed now that the tiny stumps are gone from that last section.

    We also ran into Brooke and Jason (?) near the end of our ride. Can't thank you guys enough - keep up the great work. Please update this thread with big trail work dates so we can help out. I'd also like to help with flagging and signage. It's good but could be better - not that I'm complaining since I'd rather see you building and improving trail than mucking about with signs.
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    Signage coming soonish on all parts of the loop outlined. Buffing out the Goat is my next personal project, though this week is booked, probably next week.

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    Great. I know an underemployed 16yo kid who'd love nothing more than buffing the goat.

    One more thing: I'm all for calculated risk and unsanitized adventure. But I'm amazed there's no fencing above the quarry, just a flimsy piece of webbing. That fall from just off the yellow trail would be certain death. Do you know if that's on the landowner's to do list?
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    Fencing, no. Appreciate the offer. Many hands make light work.
    edit: Had a suprise day off Monday. Got the Goat cleaned up. You can now find it starting right behind the Lean-to at the top of the Paine Mtn trail. Got some trail markers goin up soon.
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    This trail is very nicely burned in right now. Pick up the singletrack right behind the Shleter up on Paine. Right on the quad trail after "Goat", then in on the left after a short climb. (if you start going down, you went a few feet too far). Made the climb today no stops, no dabs. Pretty stoked.

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    Just got my first taste this evening, nice work Dave and Brooke. I started on the climber's right and got all the way to the old tower pad on the double track/ new stuff, then went into the woods on older sniggle with lots of rock rollers to the top of the ridge, where it looked like if I went down, I might end up on the wrong side of the mountain. Was that just a loop back to the tower pad?

    The berms and jumps were sweet and I was able to clear most of the tables on first try. I met Angus M. out there, who I know from somewhere else, but can't remember where. Good guy to chat with on the way up.

    The thing that got me most excited was the incredible supply of workable rock. I prefer schist for its shape-ability, but the massive piles of slate were inspiring. FYI, there were a couple turns that looked like they needed a little riprap to slow and maintain water flow.

    I am so excited that there is such an enormous variety of great riding so close to home. Life is very good, and getting better, for mountain bikers here. Please support VMBA and our local pro builders!

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    Hi all, new to the mountain and the trails. Today "first time" went to the top hiking ... I thought the shelter was just off of the top but I didn't see it. Can you explain if your @ the top where do you go from there, or is it off another trail, have no idea where the goat is.

    Thanks, Smitty ....

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    When you gain the ridge on the Paine Mtn Trail (PMT), go right at the "T". The shelter is about 100 yards out that way, the trail starts immediately on the left just before it, and loops behind it. The true summit of Paine would be a left at the "T" and up about a 1/4 mile, gaining another couple hundred vert.

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    Hey Dave, thanks for the information. I'm new to the area and just learned about the bike and hiking trails. The climb was/is steeper that I thought, but I wasn't going to stop

    Reading the forum you may/would like some help up there. Let me know, would like to give a helping hand.

    When you mean the true summit of the mountain, there is the old cement foundation for the old ski lift yes??

    Smitty... aka Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by smitty's View Post
    Hey Dave, thanks for the information. I'm new to the area and just learned about the bike and hiking trails. The climb was/is steeper that I thought, but I wasn't going to stop

    Reading the forum you may/would like some help up there. Let me know, would like to give a helping hand.

    When you mean the true summit of the mountain, there is the old cement foundation for the old ski lift yes??

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    Nope. Thats at the top of the old ski hill. A couple miles from the Summit of Paine Mtn. To find the Paine Mtn Trail...you want to head up the green trail from the main lot off cresent to your left. After a few minute climbing cut through the old slate quarry and over to the town field. Make your way to the north corner of the field and find the Paine Mountain Trail. From there it's about 2-2.5 miles up. There are a few intersections but just stick with the most uphill route and you'll find yourself at the "T" intersection on the ridge. Go right, find the shelter....in on left....rip down, right on the double track to the top of the short climb, back in on Left...ride single track and after about 20 minutes you'll find yourself at the concrete lift footing you metioned. GL.

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    Wow, you guys have got some nice trails down there. I finally made it today. I was expecting a more hellish climb, but the new trails ride great uphill. We did slog up the marching trail to the very top to see the orange loop. I'm not sure I'd bother with that again. If the orange loop turns out really nice, I hope that Brook will be able to work in a new climb to the top. Everything else we rode was really great though.



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    DaveVT, thanks for the info, no wonder I couldn't find it. Hope to see ya round up there. Don't forget if ya need a hand I'm around.

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    Nice Shots. The climb is much better then it used to be, just use your granny...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    The climb is much better then it used to be, just use your granny...
    You better believe it!

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    the climb actually would be one of the easiest climbs on a SS around here, till the red road to the top, then the SS would probably hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
    the climb actually would be one of the easiest climbs on a SS around here, till the red road to the top, then the SS would probably hurt.
    Yup. The green trail up to the climber's left from the bottom is a great pedal. Up above the quarry thru the pines is a really fast climb, ripping berms uphill seated and hammering is pretty fun. The top half of the red has 2 pitches that hurt. The first one past the big step down on the lift line, and the last one. I don't often climb that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    I don't often climb that way.
    Is there another trail going up?

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    Directions for longer loops given previously in thread.

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    Great ride

    Saturday, although I got turned around a bit both on the way up and on the descent. Props to the designer and all of the builders and to the University and town for seeing the potential for the school and community and crafting the network.

    Is there anywhere to get a copy of the map pictured in this post that is on the side of the outdoor center building?

    It was great fun checking this out again in in it's present and evolving state-I hadn't ridden here for twenty plus years, when it was just the Paine Mountain trail, dirt bike tracks, and the ski area that we'd connect off dirt roads or the double track coming over from Irish Hill.




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    Took Father's Day to explore what is going on in Northfield. Really enjoyed the trail construction and the climb to to the top. A few observations, much of the trail cornering construction appears to be designed more for coming down than going up. As a comparison the trails in Pittsfield ride equally well in both directions. The wooded section of the solid yellow trail (see map) could use a little attention when it comes to thumb size stumps. There a still quite a few "gothcha's" to watch out for in the wooded duffy portion of the trail. Especially if your headed in downhill. After almost busting a lung within 50 yards of the top we rode down the dotted orange (see map) . Very challenging in it's current state. Can't wait to ride the final product. All in all I really liked the area and plan to return. It's not that far from home base in Morrisville. It will be even better if/when it can get linked in with Irish Hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Saturday, although I got turned around a bit both on the way up and on the descent. Props to the designer and all of the builders and to the University and town for seeing the potential for the school and community and crafting the network.

    Is there anywhere to get a copy of the map pictured in this post that is on the side of the outdoor center building?

    It was great fun checking this out again in in it's present and evolving state-I hadn't ridden here for twenty plus years, when it was just the Paine Mountain trail, dirt bike tracks, and the ski area that we'd connect off dirt roads or the double track coming over from Irish Hill.
    Maps for the School property are available inside the new building, up above the new lot.

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    Just stumbled across this thread. I cut my teeth riding around Paine and the ski area on my first bike a 85 Stumpjumper. Used to work at the woodshop in the mill there in town and we rode up there most days of the week. I live up in Elmore now but I'm going to make a trip down to check out all of the work you guys have done. It looks awesome! We used to climb up Turkey Hill and go up to the lean too on Paine from that side; called it "climbing to the height of Pain". It was all double track back then, looking forward to checking out all the new single track.

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    Trails are awesome, rode yesterday and today. Yesterday did all the green and blue trails today did yellow.

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    Working on the last trail in Phase 1....Orange...about half built. It flows. Never linked to my FB before, here goes...
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    Not visible due to privacy settings. Is the orange trail getting machine work, or shovels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by epic View Post
    Not visible due to privacy settings. Is the orange trail getting machine work, or shovels?
    Damn, my privacy setting are public. Guess I'll upload to Youtube.
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    Wow, impressive. I was at Vermont College of Norwich University in Montpelier as an architecture student when that campus was shut down and the traditional students all got moved to the Military College of Vermont of Norwich University's Northfield campus back in 1992 I think. My dorm ended up being right on the upper parade ground. It was an "interesting" year, that year we moved, thats for sure. The cadets were not fond of civies being on their parade ground.

    Anyway, we used to ride the hill all the time on our old hard tails. I'm going to have to make the trek back up there and ride the hill again. Everything I have seen on here and other web sites looks great!

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    super sic

    went over to northfeild again wicked fun trails throw in paine mt and you get plenty , my buddy rode his ss rigid and was crushing it happy fall enjoy thanks to brook and dave for their work hope they get phase 2 next spring also quite of few out enjoying the system hiking runnig etc..
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    It's a mix of hand work and machine work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    Damn, my privacy setting are public. Guess I'll upload to Youtube.
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    Dave, is this the newest stuff way up on rider's/skier's left?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzz541 View Post
    Dave, is this the newest stuff way up on rider's/skier's left?
    Yea. It actually starts just right of the old lift footing/lift line. Most of the machine work is done....hand work mostly done about half way up. That is just a short section of the trail.

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    The trails up behind the Ski lift anchor are sick! The way down from the lean-too is technical enough to keep me on my toes but can still bomb it. There really needs to be some trees removed (chain saw Required). I'm a Student at Norwich and I ride the mountain 3-4 times a week between class and xc practice. I would be happy to help with any trail building/ maintenance. Great to see such a complete trail system.

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    There is that one big one, but i've been sneaking under it, and getting over the rest of them but you're right, I do need to get up there with the chainsaw. Glad you are enjoying the trails. As you can see from the thread start date, it's been a work in progress since 2009 and this year we finally reached a critical mass for some good local riding. Shoot me a pm with your email and I'll include you in any future volenteer work.

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    Got the chainsawing done up on the Ridge trail. If anyone has time to drag a rake around, most of the leaves are down and it would be a good time to get it done.

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    Many thanks to Brooke, Dave, the volunteers and especially the forward thinkers at Norwich University.

    I can't express how cool it is to be able to ride with Natty on real trails. We go very slowly, but it all flows and sometimes feels a little like freight train on rails. She giggles and talks the entire time, more in the swoopy parts. Wheee!

    The incredible spectrum of riding within 25 minutes of my house is ... incredible.

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    So rad to see you slogging it up with the kiddo in the trailer. I need to get my kids (11 and 9) there on their bikes once before the season gets snowed out.
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    OFF TOPIC: looking for a good mechanic in Northfield to check a used car for me. PM's would be great. Thanks!
    Looking for the person who tapped and pinned a set of Shimano A530 pedals - can't find the thread! Shoot me a PM. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzz541 View Post
    OFF TOPIC: looking for a good mechanic in Northfield to check a used car for me. PM's would be great. Thanks!
    Josh Morby up in the falls, on the right heading north just before you leave town. Good, kid, local....always kept me rolling with minimal ********.

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    Well, had the grand opening of the Norwich University XC center at the Shaw Outdoors Center yesterday. A great turnout of about 60 riders. We got rained on a bit and stuff got slick. We did a couple laps inside the school property and a bigger loop up off the top of the town land from the Hawk's Watch. Techy and fun. Some crashing, a coupla flats. Bumped into some old friends and aquaintences, and made some new ones. We got muddy. Great time. Definitely some trail damage to rebuff, but it was worth it for the event and I think the network was enjoyed by everyone who turned up. Fingers crossed for Phase 2 next summer!!!

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    Fingers are crossed. They have to be happy with Phase 1, hopefully phase 2 will be a very easy sell after this.

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    Thanks to everyone who came out to ride. Great to have Phase 1 finished and ready to share. The trails are still looking pretty good after the rain and 50 riders doing a lap or two! Brian Mohr wrote this nice summary of the event. Here's a photo that John Atkinson snapped as we rolled out. Everyone at the school is happy with Phase 1 and looking for ways to fund Phase 2 sooner than later. Fingers crossed for next season.

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    Perfect dirt!

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    Orange Trail....hunt free zone....come get some.

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    hunt free? sounds good

    is the upper mountain hunt free also (I'd guess not)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by epic View Post
    hunt free? sounds good

    is the upper mountain hunt free also (I'd guess not)?
    Most of the stuff up there is on school land, but right now the first small portion is not signed. If you picked up the ridge trail from the saddle, not the shelter you'd be in the right, but that's not saying you'de not piss off some local. Folks have been hunting on school property for a long time, not supposed to be. If you climb the PMT up past the pond then stay straight instead of heading up the rock garden to the shelter and bang a right on the ridge trail at the top of that hill, you get onto school land as soon as you turn on the singletrack. The double track climb is town forrest but you'd have to be an idiot to set up on that trail it's full of hikers and snowshoers year round.

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    Is it open until the snow falls? This might be a weekend destination for me in November!

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    It's open. Not a great place to ride if things are wet. Mostly clay. Gets crazy slick. But for now it's in good shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    Orange Trail....hunt free zone....come get some.
    posted over in the fall stoke:

    i ride like that in my dreams. those ones that go on forever where things all flow and you can jump and fly and whatever forever.

    not my thing, (maybe it should be, looks damned fun!)

    that makes me want a full squishy bike, or all mountain, or whatever you kids call them these days.

    me and my fargo and all my camping gear and crap will be over here, off to the side, out of your way.

    nice.

    strava this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    It's open. Not a great place to ride if things are wet. Mostly clay. Gets crazy slick. But for now it's in good shape.
    Thanks Dave. I have no intention of riding anywhere unless it's really dry, so at least 24 to 36 hours after rain.

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    Rode today. Best bet for the rest of the season is to catch it frozen....unless we have a big warm up for several days. Singletrack on the ridge was snow covered yet completely rippable....sunny. Epic.

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    Conditions?

    Have things thawed/firmed up at the Shaw Center ski hill trails? I was there a few days after the last significant rain (nothing since) and it was really greasy and getting rutted. Don't want to push it, but would love to get a ride in tomorrow or Friday if it looks reasonable.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Have things thawed/firmed up at the Shaw Center ski hill trails? I was there a few days after the last significant rain (nothing since) and it was really greasy and getting rutted. Don't want to push it, but would love to get a ride in tomorrow or Friday if it looks reasonable.
    Thanks.
    The freeze / thaw cycle has continued to create slippery afternoon conditions. The riding is much better in the morning before the frost thaws. The trails are getting rutted from afternoon traffic. A couple really warm days might help, but the clay soil there doesn't like thawing frost. Unless things really dry out in the next couple days, things get bad after 11 am.
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    Had the opportunity to ride at Northfield. One time up, one time down. By the time I was up the mountain, certain spots that were exposed to sunlight were wetter/softer/more slippery. . Since I was riding by myself (with my dog!) I was really keeping things slow and under control. This is / will be a fantastic place to ride. Close to other riding areas and great trails. I also was lucky to meet BikesOnSnow. His team did great work on the mountain and can be proud of the network. I hope that more people will discover this place. I will certainly make it a destination on a regular basis.

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    Update for summer '13. Phase 2 has not yet been funded so there is no new trail going in this year. There is a budget for up-keep and improvement of existing trail and Brooke is taking care of the wettest spots one by one. Inthe mean time things are unnig fairly well considering the weather. Mid and lower mtns continue to have some seeps that are making big, deep mud holes. Upper mtn. and ridge are draining fairly well but this is not a great wet-weather destination. Some of the older, well compacted trail has gotten very fast and also extremely slick and sweaty when humid, like today. There is a Super-D race schedualed for this fall here. Info at Onion River sports. Bike Express in Northfield has group rides thursdy nights at 6. SYOTT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    Inthe mean time things are unnig fairly well considering the weather. Mid and lower mtns continue to have some seeps that are making big, deep mud holes. Upper mtn. and ridge are draining fairly well but this is not a great wet-weather destination.
    Hey Dave,

    Do you think the trails will be dry enough to ride on Sunday?

    Thanks,

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    I want to hit these trails tomorrow. Can anyone suggest a good direction or route to take. Thanks!!
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    Looks like about 1/4 inch rain coming Sunday at the most. We should be in good shape or that. As far as route, I made a crude but fairly accurate map. Climb up the red pencil on Green, climbers left from the lot at about 800ft elev. Follow green through the old slate quarry and up to yellow and make a left on yellow. Drop down to the town field above the quarry and proceed to the North corner of the field. Great view of the Worcesters from here BTW. Your ultimate goal is to pick up th Paine Mtn Trail (PMT) at that north corner of the field and climb up to the shelter located on the ridge about 2.5 miles away. You climb up into a brook valley on an old benched roadbed, eventually cross the brook and grind up trough rock gardens and some steep pitches to the ridge at about 2100ft, make a right on the doubletrack and roll about 200 yards to the shelter. From there, starting right behind the lean-to is singetrack that drops down the ridge. You momentarily hit 4 wheeler trail make a right, climb for minute literally and pick up the singletrack again on your left. From here it's a couple miles of rolling terrain that will spit you out directly into the back of the old ski hill at the old concrete lift footing. From there pick up the orange trail 20 yards to the right...rip that down to yellow to green...it al flows together real nice. should be about a 2 hour ride. I think it's about 10 miles with some stiff climbing that includessome rocky, washed out quad tral. Lots of tracks out there, should be able to follow the loop pretty easy once you ind the PMT.
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    why would you not just take the fireroad to the top? its steep but its not washed out at all...... you could do 3 complete top to bottoms in hour in half that way instead of doing one top to bottom in 2 hours.

    Epic and Paul from Iride did your way and said it was pretty much the suck. but if you like washed out quad track sure than take davevts way...... I personally would rather lap quicker with less shittiness.

    Mountain Bike Ride Profile | Norwich University trails reallly climby forgot to turn on my GPS for the second lap down. near Northfield | Times and Records | Strava you can easily do 30 minutes laps there. this was during the rainy days of early July and was walking bits so I imagine now in the dry it should be faster. If you Chris H I bet you could do a sub 23 minute lap...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
    why would you not just take the fireroad to the top? its steep but its not washed out at all...... you could do 3 complete top to bottoms in hour in half that way instead of doing one top to bottom in 2 hours.

    Epic and Paul from Iride did your way and said it was pretty much the suck. but if you like washed out quad track sure than take davevts way...... I personally would rather lap quicker with less shittiness.

    Mountain Bike Ride Profile | Norwich University trails reallly climby forgot to turn on my GPS for the second lap down. near Northfield | Times and Records | Strava you can easily do 30 minutes laps there. this was during the rainy days of early July and was walking bits so I imagine now in the dry it should be faster. If you Chris H I bet you could do a sub 23 minute lap...
    Unless you do the climb through the ravine on the backside, there is no other way to access the "Goat" trail in the proper direction of flow. What your strava link shows is you lapping the frontside machine-built trails, which is fine and dandy, but it misses nearly 2 miles of sweet, flowy, backcountry singletrack that IMHO really adds to the ride. The loop Dave describes is illustrated in the link below, it took me 1:19 on my singlespeed, and I'm a good bit slower than you are (altho you're 15 years younger than me, and a much more aggressive rider). I agree the sweaty rock garden climbs aren't for everyone, but I don't mind them - to each his own tho. I also agree that the old-school stuff (can't believe I'm saying that) isn't for everyone, which is fine by me. Let the frontside get all the traffic and preserve the more fragile singletrack.
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    Thanks for the info. I am going to try the longer loop up PMT.
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    Great weekend to ride in VT! Had my 3yo out on the trails on his balance bike. Rode with some Northfield virgins and some old crew. It's always fun take peolple down the Orange for the first time. Bumped into some folks who rode over from Irish Hill. Sinuosity's spring buffing continues to add flow and character to the trail network. Great job Brooke.

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    The single tracks are seeing sigificant traffic and have burned in really nice. Alot of folks are finding them challenging i a handfull of spots the trail widening has begun. I hate the asthetic of a neat feature with an obvious line, surrounded by half-baked bail outs and go-arounds. In an attempt to nip this in the bud we'll put in well thought out less tech options. Anyone that rides here regularly that want to help, please contact me. [email protected] In the mean time. If you aren't confident on a feature, swallow your pride and walk it. Stay on trail. Come help with the work and be pat of the solution and not the problem. Probably be up there tomorrow working on the two main problem areas.

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    is there an entrance fee, Dave? About how many miles are we talking? Ive still never been to the trails there, althouh this makes me want to pack the truck now and head down that away first thing in the morn for a ride!

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    Not sure about the details. Onion River Sports is your connecton, I was just sharing it for them. Trails here are seeing alot of traffic, which is great. It's been fun to watch the singletrack on the ridge come to life and morph into a bike trail from a faint path. It is rolling fast and the drit has been perfect as I'm sure it has been everywhere, but I don't get out to other places to ride much anymore. Orange is getting SO fast and some old trails are getting reclaimed and buffed out. There is a really solid 2-3 hour ride here and worth the time, IMO. pm me if you want a tour.

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    I don't know the details yet, but Onion River is the connection to make about the race. I can ride after work most days, Just not today or tomorrow. PM me if you want a tour.

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    Fall '13 update. A great season has passed here. Enough local riding to keep us busy with almost no travel days to ride. The Shaw Center continues to see traffic of all types. Alot of the yellow and green trails are tightening up and becoming buff and fast singletracks. The Ridge and Pond trails are also seeing alot of traffic and are staying nice and burned in. Probably won't leaf blow this fall but the loop is still easy to follow. The main climb up to the ridge on the Paine Mtn Trail is town land and the Goat Path from the Shelter at the Hawk Watch are also public property so I reccomend not riding up there once the rifles come out, but the PMT climb to the Ridge at the saddle is OK and as soon as you turn onto the singletrack you cross onto Norwich land which is part of the Shaw Center, and is posted no hunting or shooting. Not sayin you won't bump into some hunters up there but technically it's hunt free. As the freeze and thaw starts happening we need to watch our use on the machine built stuff. Phase 2 has not happened yet and we will see if the manager at the Center ever gets the groomer running this winter. The potential to groom most of the lower trails has me thinking about a fat bike demo. Not unreasonable to think we could even have the Orange trail rideable at times this winter....Zoinks! See ya on the trails.
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    Looks like a lot of hard work is paying off for you, Dave. It seems like there is great synergy happening all over New England. It certainly is going on in our area, with more opportunities than volunteers. I hope to make it to Northfield one of these days...

    Was hoping to see you at the Leafblower. It was a great event, a real showcase for the Stowe area. We were impressed.

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    Hi all. Spring is coming late here in the CVT. Norwich U has been fumbling around with the Shaw Center trying to figure out if they can neglect it into non existance. Despite this concerted effort to defund and disregard the trail network and other facilities we built, some internal moves have shifted management back under athletics, at least partially, and they have shaken some funds loose to do the required spring clean up. For the next couple weeks we will be out there with machines continuing to fortify drainage and tune up the berms and lips. We had an unussually heavy spring for water movement and the soil type in combination with the fact that Paine is the town aquifer have the trails draining slowly. What we have come to realize is clay is great for shaping and rides really really fast once it sets up, and resists erosion when many other trails are parched and degrading. On the flip side, when it is not dry, it is very sensative to use, and once it's rutted or tromped on by hikers then dries, it requires attention to fix. On yellow, 1 hiker this spring left deep footprints that require repair. That one hiker cost us a full days labor for one person to hard-rake out then compact every footprint. This trail network needs to be tread upon lightly during wet conditions and still needs time to drain. We're hoping to officially open in 2 weeks. C ya then.

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    Fatbikes make deep footprints and other less than perfectly perfumed foofy singletrack ride perfect. Just sayin

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    Yeah I've used my fatty to smooth a bunch of rough stuff this year. Clay is tough though, it holds a shape nicely and gets really hard when it dries. Thankfully around here there isn't much, what is here heals itself well with the next rainstorm (of which there have been plenty this year.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    Fatbikes make deep footprints and other less than perfectly perfumed foofy singletrack ride perfect. Just sayin

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    The trail here, once almost dry, will get rolled out into very buff, fast tread. If it's used when it's saturated you will do damage. I have seen fat bike tracks on wet trail in stowe. If you are convincing yourself you are helping by "rolling out" other users damage I'd say your misguided, in particular for our soil type. Really just need to stay off here when it's wet, no matter what size your tire is. Save the "new school trail sucks" vibe for your nemba meetings, we're on it here and we've heard it all before. It's true our higher, primative trails are ready sooner, but the flow trail provides a totally different, and equally fun experience. I don't want all my trail to be a flow trail, but I certainly want some of it in every ride. Fat Bikes I can live w/o up here. Snow=Ski.

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    Hey davevt when do expect Norwich trails to be ready? also a public thanks for continued effort down there, it really is an awesome trail system.

    BTW if you can not figure out why or how to have fun at a place like Norwich you are doing it wrong. I have much fun on the Root loops at Stowe as I do do a long stupid fast flowly decent, and the best thing is my Girlfriend feels like she can ride a bike there.

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    Headed to north field to get my bike worked in tomorrow. Also wandering if anything is ready. Thanks.

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    Most of the network is ready, but please be concious of the few soft areas. Also be aware that some of the more vertical berms have slumped and will need machine tuning. I have not made it up to the ridge yet so I have no idea about the state of things up on the Ridge and Pond trails. We will be done with clean up here in a couple weeks so in the mean time watch out for excavators ect.

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    Thanks for the update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    Most of the network is ready, but please be concious of the few soft areas. Also be aware that some of the more vertical berms have slumped and will need machine tuning. I have not made it up to the ridge yet so I have no idea about the state of things up on the Ridge and Pond trails. We will be done with clean up here in a couple weeks so in the mean time watch out for excavators ect.
    Good to hear that the school is paying for the machine time to get the berms tuned up.

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    Dirt Work got bumped yesterday due to moisture so the local volunteer crew hiked the entire ridge from the shelter to the block. I am happy to report that Goat, Ridge, and Pond trails look, well, amazing. They have bburned in super nice, have drained very fast (being on the ridge) and new growth has tightened the line back up to a magic 8" wide brown ribbon. Thursday the Bike X group ride will be a work day on the Ridge trail. Will will put in 2 optional (bailout) lines around the 2 features that are causing people to ride off trail. Talk to Noah at Bicycle express if you ride here and would like to help keep our scene neat.

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    I've been driving up 89 for years to visit friends in Underhill area. I'd love to check out these trails on my way home sometime. Is there a trail map available?
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    The network is half on Norwich U property and half on Town of Northfield property. There is no good map showing the entire loop. I'd be happy to show anyone how we link it all. PM me. I ride slow.

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    Norwich University Full Loop Mountain Bike Trail, Northfield, VT

    there soon will be. although the loop up paine mountain is not that hard to find...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyjack View Post
    I've been driving up 89 for years to visit friends in Underhill area. I'd love to check out these trails on my way home sometime. Is there a trail map available?

    Bike Ride Profile | with corey near Northfield | Times and Records | Strava download this GPX track if you can and you should be good to go. I personally hate group rides to find stuff. I would rather find it by myself that why I "owe" no one for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
    Norwich University Full Loop Mountain Bike Trail, Northfield, VT

    there soon will be. although the loop up paine mountain is not that hard to find...
    looks like quite an eventful loop in just 3.6 miles. love that. kinda like the 4 mile demo loop on burke mtn for nembafest last year. most folks i met/talked to complained about it cuz you had to actually pedal yer bike uphill for the 1st half, but the j-bar descent is oh so worth the effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    looks like quite an eventful loop in just 3.6 miles. love that. kinda like the 4 mile demo loop on burke mtn for nembafest last year. most folks i met/talked to complained about it cuz you had to actually pedal yer bike uphill for the 1st half, but the j-bar descent is oh so worth the effort.

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    I do not mind pedalling but I wrote the review with the average person in mind. The top bit is quite steep though like 25 percent grade to climb up..... its worth it though I normally do 3-4 lap of hte whole thing when I drive down there.

    If you like buff flowly DHs this is the best place in Vermont and if you like technical old school there is that to up higher than the machine built trail.

    when DaveVT says it the best run in vermont, it very well might be true. The thing is it is only one run from the Top of Paine Mountain, to Orange Trail, to Yellow Trail to green trail but its a hell of run. Start on rocky rooty old school trail. Go into a steep double ridden flow trail and then relax a little on the smooth and easy to ride yellow and green trail.

    My only real complaint is at the bottom you lose a ton of vertical riding back to your car on fireroad, but I am just being picky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
    I do not mind pedalling but I wrote the review with the average person in mind. The top bit is quite steep though like 25 percent grade to climb up..... its worth it though I normally do 3-4 lap of hte whole thing when I drive down there.

    If you like buff flowly DHs this is the best place in Vermont and if you like technical old school there is that to up higher than the machine built trail.

    when DaveVT says it the best run in vermont, it very well might be true. The thing is it is only one run from the Top of Paine Mountain, to Orange Trail, to Yellow Trail to green trail but its a hell of run. Start on rocky rooty old school trail. Go into a steep double ridden flow trail and then relax a little on the smooth and easy to ride yellow and green trail.

    My only real complaint is at the bottom you lose a ton of vertical riding back to your car on fireroad, but I am just being picky.
    You have to remember that you are riding a half-built network at Shaw. Phase 2 was never funded. It includes a trail from the bottom of green south to the lot, as well as a new climb to the top from the yellow/orange intersection and 2 more miles of singletrack out back of the old ski hill. Our man on the inside says we're 2 and a half years out on the $. Also, there are more options. Another trail drops from the stream crossing on the Paine Mtn Trail to town so if you ride everything and want a bit more you can reclimb the first half of the PMT and drop in for one more fun rip. 50 feet after splashing through the stream, turn left. Plus you can connect to Irish hill which has 4-5 more miles of nice singletrack.

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    yeah I have only done the loop that was done for the enduro have not gone out far yet. YOu can see how Irish hill connects in......

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    Bike Ride Profile | with corey near Northfield | Times and Records | Strava download this GPX track if you can and you should be good to go. I personally hate group rides to find stuff. I would rather find it by myself that why I "owe" no one for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
    Bike Ride Profile | with corey near Northfield | Times and Records | Strava download this GPX track if you can and you should be good to go. I personally hate group rides to find stuff. I would rather find it by myself that why I "owe" no one for it.
    Except maybe all the people that build trail that you ride day in, day out. As a very regular trail user, if you aren't a very regular volunteer, you're doing it wrong.

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    Ripping fast trail conditions. Rains tonight were just what we needed!

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    Northfield VT...-dave_packie_northfield.jpgMeanwhile, in Northfield....summer is in full swing. Also worth noting, whackers "full loop" map is about half the loop.

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    Amplitude! Great photo. I am going to ride there before the leaves drop.

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    Is there actually single track now connecting to Irish Hill or is it the old ATV trail across? For years I've ridden to what we called "the hight of paine" left before the lean too and all the way up but from there is used to be a atv trail continuing toward Irish Hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vtmusher View Post
    Is there actually single track now connecting to Irish Hill or is it the old ATV trail across? For years I've ridden to what we called "the hight of paine" left before the lean too and all the way up but from there is used to be a atv trail continuing toward Irish Hill.
    Still the same. There is single track that heads south from the lean to and connects to the top of Orange/top of the ski hill by the old lift footing. There are some very primitive connections that are being made to stay on the ridge instead of dropping down to the Poor Farm and slogging back up. Likewise, a route has been walked that connects to the ATV trail from the highest single track in the Irish hill trails. This leaves you with a couple miles of rugged ATV ridge ride.

    We are forming a group to develop a recreational trail plan for the Northfield town forest, and meet with the rec. committee early next month. They have received a grant for some trails and other rec. facilities. My lose plan calls for a valley trail that heads north, and ultimately I'd like to see trail connecting Northfield to the Falls to Riverton to Montpelier via West Hill/chase brook/Jones Brook/Mont-P-Junction. Then on the ridge get Berlin/Mont-p/Northfield on the same page for a few reroutes on the ridge climb and a few single track additions that we have scouted to stay on the ridge and allow easier travel up there in both directions.

    Most of this connection could be made on existing ancient roads/class 4. Once that happens we can start improving them for sustainability and fun. This expansion plus Phase 2 being built at Norwich are my big picture. Probably take another 5 years but we plug away...

    Getting recreation on the town land refocused under town rec. and out from under the conservation commission's direct management is a big step and will hopefully open some doors for increased opportunity.

    Meanwhile...riding at 10 tomorrow morning from Shaw Center parking if anyone want to check out what's going on. Some stout climbing and technical trail.

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    Headed that way today. Is the best map your Paint map early in this thread? The map on Sinuosity's site is low-res and NFG.

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    If you stay on the machine built trails its really is not that hard to follow......

    If you meet up with Dave I am sure he can show you the upper techy stuff that is loads of fun as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    Still the same. There is single track that heads south from the lean to and connects to the top of Orange/top of the ski hill by the old lift footing. There are some very primitive connections that are being made to stay on the ridge instead of dropping down to the Poor Farm and slogging back up. Likewise, a route has been walked that connects to the ATV trail from the highest single track in the Irish hill trails. This leaves you with a couple miles of rugged ATV ridge ride.

    We are forming a group to develop a recreational trail plan for the Northfield town forest, and meet with the rec. committee early next month. They have received a grant for some trails and other rec. facilities. My lose plan calls for a valley trail that heads north, and ultimately I'd like to see trail connecting Northfield to the Falls to Riverton to Montpelier via West Hill/chase brook/Jones Brook/Mont-P-Junction. Then on the ridge get Berlin/Mont-p/Northfield on the same page for a few reroutes on the ridge climb and a few single track additions that we have scouted to stay on the ridge and allow easier travel up there in both directions.

    Most of this connection could be made on existing ancient roads/class 4. Once that happens we can start improving them for sustainability and fun. This expansion plus Phase 2 being built at Norwich are my big picture. Probably take another 5 years but we plug away...

    Getting recreation on the town land refocused under town rec. and out from under the conservation commission's direct management is a big step and will hopefully open some doors for increased opportunity.

    Meanwhile...riding at 10 tomorrow morning from Shaw Center parking if anyone want to check out what's going on. Some stout climbing and technical trail.
    Is the old "Circus Ride" anywhere near there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by epic View Post
    Is the old "Circus Ride" anywhere near there?
    Don't know what that is.

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    Is the old "Circus Ride" anywhere near there?
    44 miles of fun.

    Those were the days......

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    Supposedly the Circus Ride was a route taken by a circus traveling from somewhere to somewhere else - yeah, real good info I know...

    A little bit of googleing -

    mostly broken links, but - The other side of Vermont | Ridemonkey.com

    only a brief mention of Circus Ride, but interesting - See full article

    Nature Observation & Balloons In Vermont - The Exhaust-Free, Self-Propelled Foliage Tour | Vermont | OutsideOnline.com

    OK, this will pint you in the right direction - Cycling into Barre's past *:*Times Argus Online

    according to this one stronger cyclists can complete the 50 mile loop in only 30 minutes! New England's Rustic Terrain Offers Challenging Trails | ACTIVE

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    circus ride was a led epic ride at the old pedros fests in randolph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epic View Post

    according to this one stronger cyclists can complete the 50 mile loop in only 30 minutes! New England's Rustic Terrain Offers Challenging Trails | ACTIVE
    I don't think that's what the author meant, but in any case, it's a dumb sentence. What "strong cyclist" would stop at 30 minutes?

    Anyway, are these Randolph trails for real? Any good? This would've been nice to hit yesterday while traveling back north, but Ascutney was just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMtnRider View Post
    I don't think that's what the author meant, but in any case, it's a dumb sentence. What "strong cyclist" would stop at 30 minutes?

    Anyway, are these Randolph trails for real? Any good? This would've been nice to hit yesterday while traveling back north, but Ascutney was just fine.
    GMR--When I moved back to NH from Colorado the MTB buzz and trails were in the Randolph area--there are several older bike guides that describe rides in that area as well as towards the Norwich/Stratford area. Have not ridden there but they sounded old school buccolic.....turn left at the sugar house and those hillside single tracks were made by "You Guessed It"- COWS ..you can go forever either clockwise or contrary..valley to hill top...in Colorado you follow elk trails...

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    This thread is turning into a circus. I wanted to give a shout out to Dave Packie & Sinuosity for the fine work they have done here. Someone with dirt jumping skills (i.e. not me) would go off on the machine built stuff, which is top notch design & construction. There are a few easy doubles and transfers into perfect berms that even an old man can manage. Dave's boy Silas is going to be quite a ripper with this training ground in the neighborhood.

    We really enjoyed the singletrack above the top ski lift foundation, in fact my lady friend liked this section of techy flow best of all. We thought the climb up PMT was quite pleasant, very nice grade overall. Full disclosure, we missed one turn on the doubletrack and went up the singletrack to the shelter, which involved a couple sections of hike-a-bike. No big deal. As a penalty we continued up to the summit of Paine to get full value.

    Descent track shown. Bottom line is this is an awesome place. Thanks Dave!
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    only a brief mention of Circus Ride, but interesting - See full article[/url]
    That was interesting. Had never heard of Fat Chance being in Stowe. Probably old news to most people.

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    fat chance is back. Fat Chance Bicycles Fat Chance is Back!

    hopefully chris will offer fat fat chance bikes.

    i worked at a shop on the cape for 4 years in the 90's that sold dozens and dozens of fat chance frames. you still see some of them on the trails.

    some of the earliest organized mtb races in the country were held at hathaways pond recreation area in hyannis on the cape. they ran from 1982-84 and team fat chance would come down and race. jackie phelan (sp?) came and raced them as well in her super colorful crazy tights. the course was the same 3.2 mile loop that my high school used for it's cross country running/race course. beautiful loop with some sweet pond side singletrack and the killer powerline climb. i used to live practically across the street.

    good times

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    So you might notice a massive medical facility being built on the trailhead at the Shaw Center. Yup. Massive construction, loss of parking, kioske and trailhead displaced for the moment. The trails are open and you can park on the street...jus have to access Green from the south side up past the small building.

    Meanwhile, it's been rainy but the trails are holding up well. Leaves are down, but being blown off and the views are back up on the ridge trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    Update after a year or so. The town conservation commision is moving very slowly. I have been to many meeting. It seems there is likely to be MTB access on the town forrest up to the summit of Paine. Their management recomendation will be passed along to the town select board soonish (this calander year?) Norwich University went ahead and hired Sinuosity out of Hinesburg to build out a 10 mile recreation trail network in and around the abandon ski hill across the street from Norwich University. There is exsisting DH trail here that Tim has been taking loving care of and with the addition of the prposed trails there will be a couple more "down" oriented trail, and an "up" that helps us mortals gain the top of the ski hill. From there there will be a loop out the back of the ski area to extend near the top of barrows rd and the far edge of the school property. Assuming the town does eventually give us permission to use exsisting trails on their parcel, that plus the trail on the adjoining Norwich land will add up to a descent amount of trail. All in all at least 15 miles. Starting at 800 and peaking out at just under 2400...pretty cool stuff unfolding. Stay tuned.
    So now it's seven years later and the Conservation Commission has still not drafted a management plan. A couple months ago I caught wind that their minutes indicated that they were considering recommending to the Select Board to ban bicycle access on the town forest which is the Paine mtn. Trail, the climb to the Ridge and Hawk Watch. There are some personal dynamics at work here with some members who want to lump MTBers in with ATVers in how our access is managed. They have recived some anecdotal input from a woman who stumbled onto the ridge trail and was frightened as we rode by her. They are largely unaware of the use these trails get, or in denial. We are gaining some traction with some members who are recognizing the need for knowledgeable, interested parties to help develop their management plan for the trail system, but at this point I think some more positive input from some other users would be helpful. If you have an interest in this trail system I encourage you to send a note to the Northfield Conservation Commission articulating your feelings on access, your personal experiences, and the importance of diverse recreational opportunities in our town, state, and national forests....and if you are a regular here, your willingness to be a resource for trail work and responsible use. I really believe we have a great, self sustaining scene here and I hear a lot of great feedback on the trails...I think the Conservation Commission could hear some of that. It might drive home to them how important these resources are for us locals quality of life and how valuable that is to many local and regional folks. Not trying to stir anything up just show some support for including MTBing as a acceptable and sustainable use.
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    So now it's seven years in, and the Conservation Commission has still not drafted a management plan. A couple months ago I caught wind that their minutes indicated that they were considering recommending to the Select Board to ban bicycle access on the town forest which is the Paine mtn. Trail, the climb to the Ridge and Hawk Watch. There are some personal dynamics at work here with some members who want to lump MTBers in with ATVers in how our access is managed. They have recived some anecdotal input from a woman who stumbled onto the ridge trail and was frightened as we rode by her. They are largely unaware of the use these trails get, or in denial. We are gaining some traction with some members who are recognizing the need for knowledgeable, interested parties to help develop their management plan for the trail system, but at this point I think some more positive input from some other users would be helpful. If you have an interest in this trail system I encourage you to send a note to the Northfield Conservation Commission articulating your feelings on access, your personal experiences, and the importance of diverse recreational opportunities in our town, state, and national forests....and if you are a regular here, your willingness to be a resource for trail work and responsible use. I really believe we have a great, self sustaining scene here and I hear a lot of great feedback on the trails...I think the Conservation Commission could hear some of that. It might drive home to them how important these resources are for us locals quality of life and how valuable that is to many local and regional folks. Not trying to stir anything up just show some support for including MTBing as a acceptable and sustainable use.
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    [QUOTE=DaveVt;11574705]So now it's seven years later and the Conservation Commission has still not drafted a management plan. A couple months ago I caught wind that their minutes indicated that they were considering recommending to the Select Board to ban bicycle access on the town forest which is the Paine mtn. Trail, the climb to the Ridge and Hawk Watch.]

    Thanks for the heads up DaveVt. I don't live in Northfield any more but have ridden those trails since the mid-eighties. I've sent an email the the CC expressing my support for continued access for mountain bikes as well as support for expanding the multi-use trail network there. I've also forwarded your post to a couple of other cyclist I know who ride these trails. I've dreamed of a connector from Paine Mountain to Irish Hill for years!

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    I think in the end this will be a positive. The pen is to paper on the forest management plan and we are seeing the final throws of a few old school sierra clubbers as they grasp at straws....without much logic. The dialogue being generated is overwhelmingly good and I think we will be in a really good spot when it is done.

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    If you ride here, please take the time, it's super quick...

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    Dave, I did the survey. Any more info on what is going on with the forest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraniteRash View Post
    Dave, I did the survey. Any more info on what is going on with the forest?
    Well, after I caught wind of the Conservation Commission's attempts to limit MTB access on baseless crap, I started going to the meetings again. Also went to the rec commission meetings. Then I got a call from the individual on the CC who is writing the plan for the Town Forest. None of them know anything about trails, but need to write a plan, she was having a hard time working within the Cc and so we went for a hike and talked about basic stuff. She indicated that there was not going to be any restrictions for any non-motorized uses and accepted the fact that is hiking is OK, biking is OK on trails we are currently using in the Town Forest. That is the last word I got before Thanksgiving. Have not heard since, but trust her at her word. That's not to say that whole scene hasn't derailed and started over with new members as it has at least once in the past 7 years. The individual who was really driving the "No Bikes" movement lived on a dead end and her land backed up to the forest/trails. She had hung signs and stuff at the end of Slate Ave indicating no wheeled vehicles ect...all stolen VAST signs. They recently moved, I think because MTBers we coming out of the forest at her driveway. She really dislikes Bikes, but even more so did her partner. In the end we only use the Paine Mtn trail in the NTF and I feel pretty good we'll have that access when it's all done.

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    Cool, but you might want to keep a closer eye on it. I've been involved with writing a town forest plan-- it can get pretty insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraniteRash View Post
    Cool, but you might want to keep a closer eye on it. I've been involved with writing a town forest plan-- it can get pretty insane.
    Still no plan written, but I just heard back from the Woman writing it and she says there is no indication the MTB will be prohibited. They are currently looking to fund a trail sensitivity assessment. I offered to do it for free so I could get started on some volunteer work this spring. This is in line with the conversations we had last fall so it seems like a sensible but very slow process.

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    After 10 years the Northfield Conservation Commission just had their first public forum on the town forest, and contrary to initial sign postings, the language has changed lumping all non-motorized uses together, as opposed to Mountain Bikes and Motorcycles vs. hiking. They hope to be done with the plan in a year. The good news is the process has gone from a few NIMBYs hiding in a room, to an open public process. Trail work be happening Saturday mornings for anyone interested.....sorry, no free meals.

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    Great news Dave. I'm over on the other side of the ridge and will try to make it over on a Saturday to help out with trail work. We've got a bunch to do over here on this side and when I have a free Saturday I will let you know.
    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    After 10 years the Northfield Conservation Commission just had their first public forum on the town forest, and contrary to initial sign postings, the language has changed lumping all non-motorized uses together, as opposed to Mountain Bikes and Motorcycles vs. hiking. They hope to be done with the plan in a year. The good news is the process has gone from a few NIMBYs hiding in a room, to an open public process. Trail work be happening Saturday mornings for anyone interested.....sorry, no free meals.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmZzSTZ94Y4
    Go pro test on the Ridge and Pond trails. Not too shaky in HD. Long wait to get some of that. For folks who know the trail, we did a few hours of work for a few seconds of riding at :51-:53. Crush rock all morning and watch it fly past under your tires in a flash.

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    Super sweet, dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    ...we did a few hours of work for a few seconds of riding at :51-:53. Crush rock all morning and watch it fly past under your tires in a flash.
    Nice work Dave. That is a super fun trail. We had a few Tuesday night work sessions that were similar - 4 guys working for 2 hours moving big rock to deal with 5' of mud one day and maybe 10' the following week. My guess is most people never give it a thought but we are content knowing that mud is no longer in play.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fyWAKUVZvw The Ridge and Pond trails flow into the Orange trail and the Shaw Center. Pumpin and Jumpin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmZzSTZ94Y4
    Go pro test on the Ridge and Pond trails. Not too shaky in HD. Long wait to get some of that. For folks who know the trail, we did a few hours of work for a few seconds of riding at :51-:53. Crush rock all morning and watch it fly past under your tires in a flash.

    Hey Dave, I made it up to use the trails this past weekend, lots of fun, nice work. I had a question for you. I started the trails going uphill behind the new wood building on the left and ended up on the "green trail". I started uphill up that trail in the clockwise direction you mentioned. That lead me to some green/blue markers, then up to yellow, yellow/red/orange.

    I saw what at first looked like a straight water runoff line coming down the hill, but is that the approved way of making it up to the top? I just don't want to be riding up the same trail someone might be cruising down when the season gets a little busier.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by momikey View Post
    Hey Dave, I made it up to use the trails this past weekend, lots of fun, nice work. I had a question for you. I started the trails going uphill behind the new wood building on the left and ended up on the "green trail". I started uphill up that trail in the clockwise direction you mentioned. That lead me to some green/blue markers, then up to yellow, yellow/red/orange.

    I saw what at first looked like a straight water runoff line coming down the hill, but is that the approved way of making it up to the top? I just don't want to be riding up the same trail someone might be cruising down when the season gets a little busier.

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    The sings were really nice looking I just didn't want to be in someones way if they were coming downhill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momikey View Post
    Hey Dave, I made it up to use the trails this past weekend, lots of fun, nice work. I had a question for you. I started the trails going uphill behind the new wood building on the left and ended up on the "green trail". I started uphill up that trail in the clockwise direction you mentioned. That lead me to some green/blue markers, then up to yellow, yellow/red/orange.

    I saw what at first looked like a straight water runoff line coming down the hill, but is that the approved way of making it up to the top? I just don't want to be riding up the same trail someone might be cruising down when the season gets a little busier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momikey View Post
    The sings were really nice looking I just didn't want to be in someones way if they were coming downhill.
    I'm sure they were. Climber has the right of way. Fyi

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmarketrog View Post
    I'm sure they were. Climber has the right of way. Fyi
    unless its one way DH trail...... like Orange Trail at Norwich should be. It really would not be any fun to ride up anyway, and you would be the odd man out for sure. Norwich is fun, and the surrounding trails up on the hill are great as well. IF am correct you can ride to Millstone and back on trail as well, although I have never done it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
    Norwich is fun, and the surrounding trails up on the hill are great as well. IF am correct you can ride to Millstone and back on trail as well, although I have never done it.
    Berlin Pond, yes. Millstone - impossible without using VAST trails, and the VAST chapter(s) that maintains the Berlin/Barre VAST trails would not be pleased about that. I know from firsthand experience - had a run-in with one of the trail bosses this past February.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scharny View Post
    Berlin Pond, yes. Millstone - impossible without using VAST trails, and the VAST chapter(s) that maintains the Berlin/Barre VAST trails would not be pleased about that. I know from firsthand experience - had a run-in with one of the trail bosses this past February.
    You can connect to Irish Hill trails, but it is a long, rough and unmarked connection. Connecting to Millstone would be rad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    me likey

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    Barely a trail yet. Burning in nice and fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    Barely a trail yet. Burning in nice and fast.
    looks perfect to me. tight n narrow.

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    Fun looking trail Dave! Is that on the top of Paine heading toward Irish Hill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vtmusher View Post
    Fun looking trail Dave! Is that on the top of Paine heading toward Irish Hill?
    No. A mile up the PMT, splash through the stream, turn left. Ends at the quarry at the end of the Slate Ave. extension, goes past another old quarry ruin also so I call it Slate. It follows an old quarry/logging/farm road for a lot of it. The route had been kept open for a while by evidence of some old chainsaw work, but when the area regrew so did the road. So you have a 8-10 foot wide bench from 80 -100 years ago... reclaimed by the forest partially so it rides like single track.

    I've poked around a lot of the northern half of the state and have come to find that we are lucky here in the dog river valley that whom ever cut in these old roads did so at a very mild grade as compared to the rest of Vt. They are really viable bike routes because of it.

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    Green is the new Orange. Leaf out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z02VKRw1TJ8

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    Rode Northfield for the first time in a couple of years. Last time we were there Orange was just getting roughed in and didn't know about PMT. Today did the PMT to Orange to Green circuit with the family. Kids f'n loved it. Looking to go back soon with a little more time and energy to add Slate into the mix. Had beers and sami's on the way out of town. Always like to leave a little of the green behind for towns supporting trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldIcehouse View Post
    Rode Northfield for the first time in a couple of years. Last time we were there Orange was just getting roughed in and didn't know about PMT. Today did the PMT to Orange to Green circuit with the family. Kids f'n loved it. Looking to go back soon with a little more time and energy to add Slate into the mix. Had beers and sami's on the way out of town. Always like to leave a little of the green behind for towns supporting trails.
    Make sure to hit up the Falls General Store up in Northfield falls.

    They are really going for it!

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    Knotty Shamrock isn't too bad either! Paine Mountain brews hit the spot on Saturday. Not sure if they're open on week days. Will check out Falls General next time round.

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    Another summer is fading fast. Looking forward to big views opening up with the leaves starting to thin out up high. Trails are in great shape, Noah just weed whacked the PMT and trails up top.
    Some new stone work was added in many places on the Ridge this summer. Traffic is starting to have it's impacts. The Ridge/Pond trails are technical, say advanced intermediate. Please do your best to stay in the established trail. The line right down the middle is adequately rollable. If you find yourself heading off track to avoid roots or other features, walk. Folks riding "Backwards" from the Ski hill on these 2 trails are causing the most dramatic widening and erosion. The short steeps are more sustainable to downhill tires, but if you are climbing, please stay on trail. If you can't climb over the roots or ledges, walk up and not try and climb around.
    Slate is burning in faster and faster. I'm planning on walking it in the next week with the Rouge Hoe and benching in where the tires haven't quite done it yet, and smoothing out some odd bumps where there should be pumps. We need to make 2 big berms on that trail...so 2 major dirt mining operations will happen. pm me if you're localish and want to help.

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    This Sunday at 8. Meet at the end of Slat ave. Shovel and a 5 gal bucket get you in. Ride afterwards. Bwap.

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    Got about 20 hours of work in on Slate tr. this week. Benched/bermed a turn, cut out about 500 roots that were keeping the trail from burning in as it should, and a few other treats. Orange tr. is starting to show its age in a spot or two. Out for a trail ride today with the Boi, he's 5 now and he decided he wanted to ride Orange for the first time. Killed it. Went back 3 times for the log ride. So awesome that Sinuosity was able to build a trail that is fun for such a wide range of riders. Conditions right now are perfect. Colors, dirt, views.

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    Everything had been leaf blown here. Nice ride yesterday with a large group. Last week of rifle. Likely some December riding in the cards looking the extended forecast. Happy Thanksgiving!

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    Went for a hike yesterday at the Shaw Outdoor Center to suss out the trail situation in Northfield. We are still frozen, and when it get's above freezing, a thawing, muddy mess. People are riding and creating significant work for the trail workers and volunteers. The deepest rut on Orange was a 5" wide fat bike tire so please stay at home with your belief that fat bikes are ok when it's muddy. We are way ahead and will enjoy an early season, but we are a good week of dry weather and warm temps away from sustainable use. With moderate rains in the forcast over the next few days it's likely the middle of April at the earliest. If trail users would respect conditions the energy of fixing selfish users impacts could be spent making more trail, or improving existing routes. If anyone wants to help let me know. Likely be getting out over the next week and a half weather permitting. As always, lots to do, help with the work getting done, not creating work to be done by waiting a bit longer to hike or ride on the trails. Thanks.

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    Update on our trails. A group has formed this summer on social media that is doing group rides Thursday at 6. Once a month we do some trail work. It's mostly gonna be educational for our regular trail users with larger projects happening from time to time. The Greater Northfield Area Riders (GNAR) have secured half price burgers for the after-ride at the Cornerstone, a fine new watering hole in Northfield that has opened where the Knotty Shamrock used to be. Good Burgers and good beer on draft.

    In addition the town has started signing the town forest trails. There are blazes leading up to the Hawk Watch Shelter, the highest single track in our loop. It's signed as the Hawk Watch Loop trail.

    Trails are getting used and showing some age. Hoping this new group will generate some increased engagement and help on the trails. We have decided not to join VMBA and hope we can stay ahead of the marketing and impacts of increased use. In the mean time, enjoy the trails and hope to see you for some trail work.

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    Been riding and connecting to Irish Hill the last couple weeks from Northfield. Some new Single Tracks along the route....some steep class 4 road riding. Yesterday there were 10 of us that completed an "Over and Back" from Shaw to Boyer and back. The 3 strongest also included most of the Ridge Trails on this end while the bulk of the group bailed down Slate at the end. Our short ride was just under 30 miles with unknown Vert. The A group likely were over 30....and probably somewhere around 4500+ vert. JDubb and his 2 buds were able to pedal everything. (Super Inspiring) Many of us had to walk a significant portion of the Loop Trail on the Berlin Side. If there was ever a trail that needed significant erosion work, it's the Loop Trail in Berlin Town Forest. It would be a great place for some excavated reworking which would also make these two networks much more reasonable to navigate in one day by mortals. Stellar day outdoors. Awesome dose of what Mountain Biking will always be to me. Narrow, misty, twisty, long and crushing rides! More Paine Please!

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    Dave, that was one of the best rides I've done all season. I love that exploratory type stuff and burning in new trail. Total ride ended up being approx. 25 miles with a little over 5,000 feet of climbing. It felt longer. Looks like Pete and I climbed to the Paine summit at the start and you guys bypassed it so we got a little extra. JDubb cleaned the steepest sections of class 4 road I have ever seen. Amazing. Thanks again for a great ride! Northfield is tits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    Been riding and connecting to Irish Hill the last couple weeks from Northfield. Some new Single Tracks along the route....some steep class 4 road riding. Yesterday there were 10 of us that completed an "Over and Back" from Shaw to Boyer and back. The 3 strongest also included most of the Ridge Trails on this end while the bulk of the group bailed down Slate at the end. Our short ride was just under 30 miles with unknown Vert. The A group likely were over 30....and probably somewhere around 4500+ vert. JDubb and his 2 buds were able to pedal everything. (Super Inspiring) Many of us had to walk a significant portion of the Loop Trail on the Berlin Side. If there was ever a trail that needed significant erosion work, it's the Loop Trail in Berlin Town Forest. It would be a great place for some excavated reworking which would also make these two networks much more reasonable to navigate in one day by mortals. Stellar day outdoors. Awesome dose of what Mountain Biking will always be to me. Narrow, misty, twisty, long and crushing rides! More Paine Please!
    Sounds sweet! Bummed I couldn't make it. Thanks for the invite but had my daughter's B-day going on this weekend. I'll have to track it down next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMtnRider View Post
    Dave, that was one of the best rides I've done all season. I love that exploratory type stuff and burning in new trail. Total ride ended up being approx. 25 miles with a little over 5,000 feet of climbing. It felt longer. Looks like Pete and I climbed to the Paine summit at the start and you guys bypassed it so we got a little extra. JDubb cleaned the steepest sections of class 4 road I have ever seen. Amazing. Thanks again for a great ride! Northfield is tits.
    You boys. Inspiring. I think our milage was comparable, but you probably got close to 1000 more verts then us. Almost made me want gears. Almost. Till next time.
    ps. Ripping Irish hill with you 3 nipping at my heels was super fun! Great old school trail and riding. Cheers!

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    Thanks for the tour, Dave! I couldn't believe how smooth the riding was on the Berlin end, too (Northfield, a given for good flow). Not to get off topic here but, yeah, get gears. You probably feel as though that would mark the beginning of a descent that, ultimately, leads to a 10,000 carbon whip and a trucker hat, but I do not think so. Like yourself, I've spent some time on the SS and loved the simplicity of it. But given what you climbed on that single, riding everything out there would be NO PROBLEM for you. Paradoxically, my recent experience has been that gears actually reduce maintenance costs (impossible thought it may seem).
    I digress. Dave you continue to inspire in terms of ride style AND build style. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMtnRider View Post
    JDubb cleaned the steepest sections of class 4 road I have ever seen. Amazing. Thanks again for a great ride! Northfield is tits.
    Talking to God (or Tinker?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdubbs View Post
    Thanks for the tour, Dave! I couldn't believe how smooth the riding was on the Berlin end, too (Northfield, a given for good flow). Not to get off topic here but, yeah, get gears. You probably feel as though that would mark the beginning of a descent that, ultimately, leads to a 10,000 carbon whip and a trucker hat, but I do not think so. Like yourself, I've spent some time on the SS and loved the simplicity of it. But given what you climbed on that single, riding everything out there would be NO PROBLEM for you. Paradoxically, my recent experience has been that gears actually reduce maintenance costs (impossible thought it may seem).
    I digress. Dave you continue to inspire in terms of ride style AND build style. Thanks!
    I like your Chromag. I'm not anti-gear. I'm anti-derailleur. I need a 2 speed BB with a 2.5:1. Also....droppers post. 2 speed steel HT (26) with a dropper and a 150mm fork. Still couldn't hang with you climbing.
    Irish hill was great. Built by a CVT legend with a gift for routing raked trail through steep terrain. Tight. But also fast at times. Pretty amazing lines through challenging terrain. Amazingly ride-able for the funky woods it goes through...or the steep hills you climb with virtually no benching. He also laid out most of the early Millstone.
    So fun to ride, so much input needed, I caught myself literally drooling on I was so deep in the flow state. Thinking about a low road from the Berlin Lot back up to the low saddle where we parted ways. (Did you pedal everything to the summit from there?) Looks good on the topo and I know the route exists from moto-ing it. Private lands I think....Edit: Scouted the low road today. Verified permission to cross a massive piece of private land which allows us to climb back up on what the care taker called "The Industrial Road" (over-grown 4 wheeler trail) which connects to the Car Battery Trail.....totally ride-able even for my feeble old ass on a SS. Revisit this ride next month with some "Easy Miles" on the return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVt View Post
    I caught myself literally drooling on I was so deep in the flow state.
    Same here (drooling).
    Love to go on scouting mission of "low road" too!
    Yeah, climbed all on return.
    Different thread, I know, but coming from this moron, it seems like the derailleur approach to gears is the devil you know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdubbs View Post
    Same here (drooling).
    Yeah, climbed all on return...
    $#!T dude. That's Fuct up. Nothing is impossible but damn, that is some steep old road you pedaled.

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    Hi folks,

    Thanks to the crew that keeps putting in great work on the Northfield system.

    Anyone free for a daytime ride on Thur. (Aug 25)?

    Thanks,
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    It is my pleasure to build and work on the trails, and I have been enjoying a new interest in regular users helping out this summer. Love to share them. Be glad to give you a tour. What time you thinking. I'm flexible until school starts up.
    Dave

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    Thanks!

    I have been riding the Irish Hill Ridgeline Trail from Darling Road to the Hawk Watch (and sometimes all the way to the Shaw Center) for years. The route was never completely rideable in the reverse direction because of the steep hill just north of the T intersection above the old Poor Farm field and below the saddle between Irish and Paine. Painful even to push a bike up that hill in Sidis (I only did it once).

    I remember reading some time ago that Dave Packie was scouting a route from the Irish ridgeline directly to the saddle. When I read about the big ride from Shaw to Berlin and back with a mention of some having to push up the Loop Trail but no mention of pushing up the climb above the T intersection (which is way steeper), I realized that the new trail must now exist, so a friend and I went looking for it the other day. The route is now completely rideable in both directions. Thank you, Dave!

    I'm way curious about the low route Dave mentions in his post . I have a low route on the east side of Irish Hill. Is the route mentioned (Industrial Road/Car Battery Trail) on the east or west side of the ridge?

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