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    Ventana 29er content w/ lots o' pics

    I proudly introduce a couple of Sherwoods latest 29" products.....the ElComandante, the Padrino, and a couple of the new 29er forks all showed up here on friday which made it really difficult to get out of here on time. As usual Ventana provides us with top quality paint & unmatched aluminum welds.


    The Elcomandante: Sherwood ..... can you explain the need of having bottle openers on both the frame and the fork. ? Are you assuming most of us Ventana owners have a drinking problem
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    29er forks

    steel forks done very nicely....i thought you only knew how to weld aluminum ? Good job......i'd like to see a zip tie mount at the top of the left fork blade.
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    how dare you Chad!? you know I am weak.....

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    El Padrino

    I really want one of these to add to my own stable of bikes. The El Padrino minus the decal set.
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    Gorgeous!
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Gorgeous!
    what predictions do you have now smarty pants!?

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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    what predictions do you have now smarty pants!?
    ?????



    For your future purchases?
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Geometry charts

    For reference sake.....i'll add the links to the geometry charts.


    The El Comandante Geometry Chart




    The El Padrino Geometry Chart



    later, Chad

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    guess it doesn't really matter.......yours, mine....we seem to be following in each others footsteps lately

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    I predict, the X-5 will be on the chopping block despite your numerous claims to the contrary, and that you will be purchasing an El Capitan. That will occur in a year of so.


    First, you will possibly dump the niner for El Commandante.

    It's just a frame swap, and you could probably get most of the $975 out of the Niner frame sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwmtb
    E.....you related to nastradomus ?


    damn good predictions !
    phooey to the both of you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    I predict, the X-5 will be on the chopping block despite your numerous claims to the contrary, and that you will be purchasing an El Capitan. That will occur in a year of so.


    First, you will possibly dump the niner for El Commandante.

    It's just a frame swap, and you could probably get most of the $975 out of the Niner frame sale.

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    E.....you related to nastradomus ?


    damn good predictions !

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    I wish I knew what length (a-c) fork gives that HA?

    The geometry chart has fork offset in the space for a-c.
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Weak...........................

    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    how dare you Chad!? you know I am weak.....

    ............. me too! Sweet lookin frames but I think I've depleted my bike purchase budget for awhile buying two Ventana frames in the past year! I really could see a 29er in my future though!!!!!!! TIG.

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    You wont be disappointed with your El Commandante.
    Just got back from a local 12 hour night race and took mine despite the rest of my team riding geared.
    The El Commandante absolutely rocked.

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    I changed my Sig to help you (and me) keep things in perspective!
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwmtb
    Sherwood ..... can you explain the need of having bottle openers on both the frame and the fork. ? Are you assuming most of us Ventana owners have a drinking problem
    The"beverage" opener is provided on the fork for those aftermarket customers who don't have the preparedness of having one on the back of their bike. But if you think it is for some other reason, I won't argue with you. As a general rule, I never pick fights with people wearing foggy/crusty beer goggles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nwmtb
    steel forks done very nicely....i thought you only knew how to weld aluminum ? Good job......i'd like to see a zip tie mount at the top of the left fork blade.
    I made steel bikes long before I started building in aluminum. And I am working on that top of the left leg zip tie mount. Thanks for the feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherwood
    I made steel bikes long before I started building in aluminum.




    Thanks for the reply, and history lesson Sherwood, you wouldn't have any of these artifacts laying around would you ? IMO...... It would be pretty cool to see some of your earlier work.




    later, Chad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    I changed my Sig to help you (and me) keep things in perspective!
    Great...pull out the Luke 12:15 card on me!

    In terms of a loophole, what would Luke say if I actually "replaced" one of my bikes with the El Comandante since that would not really be "adding" to my posessions
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    Great...pull out the Luke 12:15 card on me!

    In terms of a loophole, what would Luke say if I actually "replaced" one of my bikes with the El Comandante since that would not really be "adding" to my posessions
    I see you already had it memorized.

    Luke didn't say it though.

    You would probably be okay on the "abundance of possessions part", but might have a little problem on the "all forms of greed" part.

    Know your own heart, and possess your possessions, not the other way around.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    I see you already had it memorized.

    Luke didn't say it though.

    You would probably be okay on the "abundance of possessions part", but might have a little problem on the "all forms of greed" part.

    Know your own heart, and possess your possessions, not the other way around.
    good point...duh...of course Luke did not say it....so then he certainly won't mind! maybe I should see if my pastor mountain bikes and can give some hand references to those parts of the Bible.

    in all honestly, my focus this year is on riding more and harder and do some decent races and not get embarassed too much in doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwmtb
    E.....you related to nastradomus ?


    damn good predictions !
    LOL! Good one Chad.

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    Two questions. The rear tire clearance seems very tight. I know there are basically no real 29er tires, but how much room is there for future big meats? Secondly, is the rear der hanger replaceable?
    My video techniques can be found in this thread.

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    Man....I cant wait till Interbike

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Two questions. The rear tire clearance seems very tight. I know there are basically no real 29er tires, but how much room is there for future big meats? Secondly, is the rear der hanger replaceable?
    Go here to check out tire clearance: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=140017. You can kind of get a idea from the pics of Shannon's "Pinky".

    The hanger is replaceable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Two questions. The rear tire clearance seems very tight. I know there are basically no real 29er tires, but how much room is there for future big meats? Secondly, is the rear der hanger replaceable?

    Just walked out to my garage and measure the tyre clearance for you.
    I have the same size frame as Shannon and am currently running the same tyres (2.1" Maxxis Ignitors).
    There is 1/4" clearance either side measuring from the outside edge of the lug to the chainstay.
    Total width between the chainstays at that point is approx 2.75".
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    Chad, Sherwood, Paul.....do you know the weight of say a large frame.....and for a fork? that would be excellent info!

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    And so it begins...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneStar
    And so it begins...
    what? can't i just be curious?

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    Don't listen to em' Fo!

    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    Chad, Sherwood, Paul.....do you know the weight of say a large frame.....and for a fork? that would be excellent info!
    All those hecklers are just jealous.

    Fork: 950 grams
    El Comandante frame 20": 4.1 lbs.
    El Padrino frame 20": 3.7 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauliemon
    All those hecklers are just jealous.

    Fork: 950 grams
    El Comandante frame 20": 4.1 lbs.
    El Padrino frame 20": 3.7 lbs.
    thanks Man. You hear that Lonestar?!

    Thanks for the weights....very, very nice weights. I assume the weight of the El Comandante is with the EBB?

    by the way, should be confirming the Sea Otter stuff up this week.....my wife has a test Wednesday and no doubt she will do well and when she is in a good mood I will talk to her about finalizing the plans so make sure you got yours for me to ride!!!!!!

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    Speaking of your orange El Com TR.

    I have the picture of your El Com and also one of Shannon's Pinky in my Photoshop. I lust over them constantly. First I tried to change the color of yours to black (mine will be black). That didn't work out to good. Then I tried it with Shannon's. I thought it would be easier because he has a black Reba like I'll have. That didn't work either. I guess I'll just have to wait for mine,...tick tock tick tock. I can't wait anymore! I want it now, now, now! I think that 12 hour race report put me over the top. Thanks Mate I needed that.

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    Oops!

    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    thanks Man. You hear that Lonestar?!

    Thanks for the weights....very, very nice weights. I assume the weight of the El Comandante is with the EBB?

    by the way, should be confirming the Sea Otter stuff up this week.....my wife has a test Wednesday and no doubt she will do well and when she is in a good mood I will talk to her about finalizing the plans so make sure you got yours for me to ride!!!!!!
    Excuse me. Those were 18" weights, sorry. That was back before the name calling. When I was still undecided about the frames. Sherwood and I weighed the Interbike frames which were 18s, my bad.

    I'm already working on my boss Rich. He will be down there also. So we got to plan ahead and make sure there are enough mechanics at the shop. In case I don't make it I will make sure the new El Com makes it just for you. You can even let Aqua ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauliemon
    I have the picture of your El Com and also one of Shannon's Pinky in my Photoshop. I lust over them constantly. First I tried to change the color of yours to black (mine will be black). That didn't work out to good. Then I tried it with Shannon's. I thought it would be easier because he has a black Reba like I'll have. That didn't work either. I guess I'll just have to wait for mine,...tick tock tick tock. I can't wait anymore! I want it now, now, now! I think that 12 hour race report put me over the top. Thanks Mate I needed that.
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    You will not be disappointed regardless of the colour.
    I am still buzzing from the Dusk to Dawn. There is some very sweet, fast, swoopy singletrack at the back of that course to reward you for the grind on much of the rest of it.
    I nailed that singletrack 4 out of 5 times and I am sure that the El Comandante had as big a smile as I did on every lap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    Chad, Sherwood, Paul.....do you know the weight of say a large frame.....and for a fork? that would be excellent info!
    Cant help you with the frame weight but my El Comandante came in at 26.2lbs when I weighed her the other day.
    This was with my alloy bar and bar ends along with the Reba fork.
    Could easily lose some weight by getting rid of the Thomson stuff (but why would I??) along with a lighter wheelset (currently XT hubs and Ritchey OCR Girder rims) and saddle (currently WTB Rocket V Race).

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    El Comandante info........

    .................... needed ! Can you use a rear der. and run it 1x 9 speed and use the same hub( wheel set)and convert it to single speed ? Also can you use a 80mm or 100 mm travel fork on it ? Say a Reba would it handle better with it set at 80 or 100mm of travel? My guess is its designed for a 80mm travel fork. TIG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    .................... needed ! Can you use a rear der. and run it 1x 9 speed and use the same hub( wheel set)and convert it to single speed ? Also can you use a 80mm or 100 mm travel fork on it ? Say a Reba would it handle better with it set at 80 or 100mm of travel? My guess is its designed for a 80mm travel fork. TIG.

    I believe you can get a hanger and cable stop brazed on if you like (pretty sure VentanaOZ told me it could be done).
    I am running a 100mm Reba on mine at the moment and am very happy with it that way. Choppers the front end a little but I cannot say it feels slow or anything. VentanaOZ and Singlespeedscott are also running theirs the same over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    .................... needed ! Can you use a rear der. and run it 1x 9 speed and use the same hub( wheel set)and convert it to single speed ? Also can you use a 80mm or 100 mm travel fork on it ? Say a Reba would it handle better with it set at 80 or 100mm of travel? My guess is its designed for a 80mm travel fork. TIG.
    yes....you can do it that way. I am "hypothetically" looking into that as well if "hypothetically" I were to own one some day.

    a great option would be to have a rear wheel built with a cassette hub and with gears, business as usual. you would use spacers when running it with a single cog. The only creativity as far as I know is how to best set up the chainring in terms of inside and outside (eg, bashguard) restraints on the chain itself....I leave that to the more mechanically inclined though I know there are many options to do it.

    as for the fork recommendations, I am not sure what the noted head angle on the V website assumed (80 or 100mm). anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    ............ the Blue and the Orange El Comandantes both look awesome ! If I were to "hypothetically" get one I think I'd go with orange for a change ! Thanks TR and Foshizzle for the input ! Now I got to sell my old bike stuff to make room and get funds for a third Ventana ! Hypothetically that is ! TIG.

    The Orange rocks!!!!

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    Darn................

    ............ the Blue and the Orange El Comandantes both look awesome ! If I were to "hypothetically" get one I think I'd go with orange for a change ! Thanks TR and Foshizzle for the input ! Now I got to sell my old bike stuff to make room and get funds for a third Ventana ! Hypothetically that is ! TIG.

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    a/c

    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    .................... needed ! Can you use a rear der. and run it 1x 9 speed and use the same hub( wheel set)and convert it to single speed ? Also can you use a 80mm or 100 mm travel fork on it ? Say a Reba would it handle better with it set at 80 or 100mm of travel? My guess is its designed for a 80mm travel fork. TIG.




    TIG.....sherwood designed these intended steel forks with an axle to crown of 483mm, also the same length missing from the geometry charts.


    A Rock Shox Reba in the 80mm mode has an A/C of 495mm, so you should be perfectly fine with the fork in the 80mm setting. And actually once you factor sag into the realm of things, the Reba in 100mm mode should be perfectly fine also. Just for reference the Maverick SC32 has the same A/C of 495mm at 3.5" of travel.


    As for the mod's ... you can get the ElComandante with rear der routing. Just specify it at the time of ordering. No problem with running a standard hanger too.


    later, Chad

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwmtb
    I really want one of these to add to my own stable of bikes. The El Padrino minus the decal set.
    You going to make the jump to ss and 29 at the same time? What sort of cosmic alignment did I miss?
    Take the long cut, we'll get there eventually.

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    so TR....what do you think of the Orange?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    so TR....what do you think of the Orange?
    Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm...............it's OK I guess.

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    Sounds great.................

    Quote Originally Posted by nwmtb
    TIG.....sherwood designed these intended steel forks with an axle to crown of 483mm, also the same length missing from the geometry charts.


    A Rock Shox Reba in the 80mm mode has an A/C of 495mm, so you should be perfectly fine with the fork in the 80mm setting. And actually once you factor sag into the realm of things, the Reba in 100mm mode should be perfectly fine also. Just for reference the Maverick SC32 has the same A/C of 495mm at 3.5" of travel.


    As for the mod's ... you can get the ElComandante with rear der routing. Just specify it at the time of ordering. No problem with running a standard hanger too.


    later, Chad

    .... it be nice to have the EBB for converting to SS ! Yet, have the ability to use a rear der.! Thanks Chad ! TIG.

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    Got a price on that rigid fork?

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    FoShizzle - You should get white and ask Sherwood not to put the decals on......just do a bait and switch......the wife doesn't have to know.....Momms the word. I'm thinking about doing that with my white C'Dale road bike for a Ventana Cross bike....bait and switch....she will never know. You know you want one

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    so TR....what do you think of the Orange?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evilbike
    Got a price on that rigid fork?
    Msrp is $250.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    ............ the Blue and the Orange El Comandantes both look awesome ! If I were to "hypothetically" get one I think I'd go with orange for a change ! Thanks TR and Foshizzle for the input ! Now I got to sell my old bike stuff to make room and get funds for a third Ventana ! Hypothetically that is ! TIG.
    And what was your new years resolution TIG? I can't remember.

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    Completed bike pics and quick spin

    Hot Damn fellas....... i've got to admit that i haven't had this much fun building a bike in quite a while. Thanks for the opportunity BOG, your new bike was a blast...both to build and then to test ride.


    Just a few noteable points that may be of interest.


    The Weight - 21.5 #

    The test ride, it was just a quick jaunt down some fast dirt roads littered with washboard, and so i didn't waste time running the bike through a nasty set of bumps, my initial impression with the bump absorbtion was WOW...this is aluminum ? I imagine the long steel fork blades and Jones Hbar helped soak up a good portion, but the rear end held well also. The frame felt so uncharacteristic of aluminum, it felt much more lively than i anticipated. The lack of gears and drivetrain made for a very quiet and smooth ride. The Mutanoraptors felt right at home on the dirt roads. In a nutshell...SOULFUL ALUMINUM.

    Tire clearence, while i didn't try a set of EXI's i do imagine that they could fit.. 10mm of room on each side in the rear, and tons of room up front. I plan on taking off the front 2.1 Mutanoraptor immediately and replacing with a 2.3 EXiwolf.


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    drivetrain pics

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    That's nice Chad.

    Me next, me next.

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    Looks great chad!!!

    looking forward to trying it out here in the frozen tundra of minnesota!!! Looks fast!

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    Ferrous, mmmmmmm...........

    Is anyone else wondering how sick these bikes would be (don't get me wrong, they're already drop-dead gorgeous) if they were 853 or True Temper OX?

    I'm a skinny guy and aluminum just beats the tar outta me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SingleTrackSal
    Is anyone else wondering how sick these bikes would be (don't get me wrong, they're already drop-dead gorgeous) if they were 853 or True Temper OX?

    I'm a skinny guy and aluminum just beats the tar outta me....
    I was concerned about going from the steel frame of my Surly 1x1 to the aluminium El Comandante but can honestly say that I can feel little difference between the 2.
    The El Comandante rides great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwmtb
    The Weight - 21.5 #
    Sweet looking ride there Bog.
    You will not be disappointed I can assure you.

    Not trying to call BS on this weight by any means but I am trying to work out where you saved nearly 4 pounds over my El Comandante.
    Areas I could see that weight would have been saved are:

    - Wheels (240s laced to VXC vs XT laced to Ritchey Girder OCR
    - Brakes (Magura Louise vs Avid Juicy 5's)????
    - Fork (Ventana rigid vs Rockshox Reba Race)
    - ENO cranks and ?? cogs/chainrings vs Shimano cranks and Surly cogs chainrings

    Where else??
    What size is yours??

    The rest of the build looks pretty similar to mine with Thomson seatpost and stem along with WTB Rocket V Race saddle.

    I have added an alloy bar and bar ends since the pic was taken if that makes a difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    I was concerned about going from the steel frame of my Surly 1x1 to the aluminium El Comandante but can honestly say that I can feel little difference between the 2.
    The El Comandante rides great.
    I would not want a thing changed........and as such, I WANT ONE NOW I just aint buying the whole frame material thing myself in terms of some magical difference that we are supposed to feel. Perhaps for forks but where I noticed that difference has nothing to do with material differences. I have had 3 rigid steel forks now....2 of them 29ers and I could tell a bit of a difference in compliance between the 2 29er steel forks but then again, the designs were completely different which is what I attribute it to.

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    actual weight

    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Not trying to call BS on this weight by any means but I am trying to work out where you saved nearly 4 pounds over my El Comandante.
    Areas I could see that weight would have been saved are:

    - Wheels (240s laced to VXC vs XT laced to Ritchey Girder OCR
    - Brakes (Magura Louise vs Avid Juicy 5's)????
    - Fork (Ventana rigid vs Rockshox Reba Race)
    - ENO cranks and ?? cogs/chainrings vs Shimano cranks and Surly cogs chainrings

    Where else??
    What size is yours??

    Was incorrect a little bit, i just reweighed Bog's bike WITHOUT pedals. It actually came to 21# . Verified with 2 scales.


    the fork alone almost saves 2#, the DT240 wheels...my guess would be the majority of the remaining difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nwmtb
    Was incorrect a little bit, i just reweighed Bog's bike WITHOUT pedals. It actually came to 21# . Verified with 2 scales.


    the fork alone almost saves 2#, the DT240 wheels...my guess would be the majority of the remaining difference.
    Really???
    I am still trying to find 2.4lb after accounting for the fork weight difference. I know the XT hubs are heavy but I would not have thought that there would have been 2.4lbs or just over 1kg difference between them and the DT/VXC's.
    Will be interested to see what difference my rigid fork makes.
    Perhaps my scales are out??? Mind you it is a bathroom scale I am using.

    My bike comes in at 25.35lb.

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    Again.
    I am not calling BS.
    I am just interested is all.
    What size is that frame??

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Again.
    I am not calling BS.
    I am just interested is all.
    What size is that frame??



    just thought you'd like to see proof


    this is the 18" frame.


    are you going to try a rigid fork on yours ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwmtb
    are you going to try a rigid fork on yours ?
    Yep.
    And maybe some lighter wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    I was concerned about going from the steel frame of my Surly 1x1 to the aluminium El Comandante but can honestly say that I can feel little difference between the 2.
    The El Comandante rides great.
    Well, I appreciate your feedback TR as I find myself drawn to these two frames, but being a hardtail, and my only bike, my next frame has to be kind enough for epics all the time and I wanna make sure I guess. Only way to tell is to build one up....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SingleTrackSal
    Well, I appreciate your feedback TR as I find myself drawn to these two frames, but being a hardtail, and my only bike, my next frame has to be kind enough for epics all the time and I wanna make sure I guess. Only way to tell is to build one up....
    I hope it will be OK too!!!!
    I plan to complete a 6, 12 and 24 hour (4 man team for the 12 and 24 hour) along with 2 x 100km events on mine this year.

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    Whoa that El Padrino is purdy!

    RedBarn, When you gonna finish the "Godfather?" I was happy to see the pictures posted. What was your impression of those fancy handlebars on the El Commandante?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leithema
    RedBarn, When you gonna finish the "Godfather?" I was happy to see the pictures posted. What was your impression of those fancy handlebars on the El Commandante?



    whoa....look who's here !



    The Padrino is getting close. As for the bars that we used on the ElComandante.....personally i really like the Hbar , it took a little while to figure out the stem length and height, but i think i've got it narrowed down to where it needs to be. Using the Fit Stem took alot of the guess work out of it. But anyway..... the bars are designed to be very ergonomic....i find them comfortable, you can read more about them on the link above.

    Shifter options are limited though. It kinda seems like either a dual control lever or a set of Pauls Thumbies are the best route.


    Lots of handlebar options out there these days.



    later

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    Decisions , Decisions .................

    ............darn its hard for me to decide the best option to go 29er !! If I went with the EL Capitan , I would probably sell my 04 Salt to help pay for the cost which I would hate to do but maybe a ride or two on the El Capitan would cure this ! I still have the 26" wheel La Bruja which I won't depart with "ever" ! If I went with the El Commandante , I could keep my Salt and sell all my surplus components and a couple of older bikes ( I keep around for my out of town friends to ride mostly ) ! How many El Capitan owners are more satisfied with the performance of there new ride compared to 26" wheel frames such as 5 spots, Saltamontes, etc? On another note do the larger wheels on hardtail 29er's such as the El Commandante "really" soften the blows of going over stuff ? I have a hard time believing this since I rode hardtails with 26" wheels for years ! Anyway, I'm sure I'm not the only one curious about owning or least trying a Ventana 29er ! TIG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    ............darn its hard for me to decide the best option to go 29er !! If I went with the EL Capitan , I would probably sell my 04 Salt to help pay for the cost which I would hate to do but maybe a ride or two on the El Capitan would cure this ! I still have the 26" wheel La Bruja which I won't depart with "ever" ! If I went with the El Commandante , I could keep my Salt and sell all my surplus components and a couple of older bikes ( I keep around for my out of town friends to ride mostly ) ! How many El Capitan owners are more satisfied with the performance of there new ride compared to 26" wheel frames such as 5 spots, Saltamontes, etc? On another note do the larger wheels on hardtail 29er's such as the El Commandante "really" soften the blows of going over stuff ? I have a hard time believing this since I rode hardtails with 26" wheels for years ! Anyway, I'm sure I'm not the only one curious about owning or least trying a Ventana 29er ! TIG.
    TIG:

    You will not want to ride the Salty if you get the El Capitan. Ask Sherwood about it.

    I simply had no desire to ride it after demoing El Cap. It does everything Salty does, but better. The Bruja is a simply different class of bike, and you should never get rid of it.

    Hardtail 29ers are definitely better at "softening" the blow compared to the smaller wheeled bikes, but they are not FS bikes, and still ride like hardtails, just very plush for hardtails (sort of like I imagine a 1" travel softail would ride).

    I have been riding a hardtail exclusively since parting out the Salty in preparation for the new FS 29er. I like it for the most part, but there are trails, I would definitely prefer the FS bike for. It really depends on the trail. If it is fairly buff singletrack, the hardtail is fine. If there are a lots of loose stuff and rocks all over the trail, I prefer ths FS bike. So....It sort of depends on what you ride the most as to which bike you should get.

    I'm confident enough in the FS 29er after demoing El Cap, to get rid of my Salty, which is by far the best performing FS frame I've had so far.
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Yeah..................

    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    TIG:

    You will not want to ride the Salty if you get the El Capitan. Ask Sherwood about it.

    I simply had no desire to ride it after demoing El Cap. It does everything Salty does, but better. The Bruja is a simply different class of bike, and you should never get rid of it.

    Hardtail 29ers are definitely better at "softening" the blow compared to the smaller wheeled bikes, but they are not FS bikes, and still ride like hardtails, just very plush for hardtails (sort of like I imagine a 1" travel softail would ride).

    I have been riding a hardtail exclusively since parting out the Salty in preparation for the new FS 29er. I like it for the most part, but there are trails, I would definitely prefer the FS bike for. It really depends on the trail. If it is fairly buff singletrack, the hardtail is fine. If there are a lots of loose stuff and rocks all over the trail, I prefer ths FS bike. So....It sort of depends on what you ride the most as to which bike you should get.

    I'm confident enough in the FS 29er after demoing El Cap, to get rid of my Salty, which is by far the best performing FS frame I've had so far.

    ............ ever since Sherwood introduced the El Capitan its been bugging me to get one!! It would be really tough to let go of my Salt , I'll have to take some time on this one ! Thanks for the reply ! TIG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    ............ ever since Sherwood introduced the El Capitan its been bugging me to get one!! It would be really tough to let go of my Salt , I'll have to take some time on this one ! Thanks for the reply ! TIG.
    Hey TIG how about you getting a El Cap demo to ride?

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    Great Idea..............

    Quote Originally Posted by Pauliemon
    Hey TIG how about you getting a El Cap demo to ride?

    .................. but the closest Ventana dealer is about 900 miles from me ! Yeah, airdrop me one I'll ride it ! JK. Actually , I think can test ride some other 29er's at closer shops to see if I like the ride of a 29er in general even though they wouldn't be a Ventana ! I think my bike stand is lonely for another project ! TIG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    .................. but the closest Ventana dealer is about 900 miles from me ! Yeah, airdrop me one I'll ride it ! JK. Actually , I think can test ride some other 29er's at closer shops to see if I like the ride of a 29er in general even though they wouldn't be a Ventana ! I think my bike stand is lonely for another project ! TIG.
    That's a good idea. You can get the 29er feel that way. Just remember the Ventana will handle way better than any of those other bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwmtb
    The Padrino is getting close.
    Yes please.
    I need to see pics of that El Padrino too.
    I have this evil thought about ditching my Superlight for one of these.

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    I went from a X5 to a El Cap

    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    ............darn its hard for me to decide the best option to go 29er !! If I went with the EL Capitan , I would probably sell my 04 Salt to help pay for the cost which I would hate to do but maybe a ride or two on the El Capitan would cure this ! I still have the 26" wheel La Bruja which I won't depart with "ever" ! If I went with the El Commandante , I could keep my Salt and sell all my surplus components and a couple of older bikes ( I keep around for my out of town friends to ride mostly ) ! How many El Capitan owners are more satisfied with the performance of there new ride compared to 26" wheel frames such as 5 spots, Saltamontes, etc? On another note do the larger wheels on hardtail 29er's such as the El Commandante "really" soften the blows of going over stuff ? I have a hard time believing this since I rode hardtails with 26" wheels for years ! Anyway, I'm sure I'm not the only one curious about owning or least trying a Ventana 29er ! TIG.
    I had my X5 for about six month and I "upgraded" to a El Cap. This was after I arranged for a demo. It cost a fortune, but my big El Cap at 4in feels much more XC than my old X5, but with almost the same plushness and the ability to carry more speed. The X5 with a Pike and a Crossmax XL kicks the El Cap in front end stiffness which is not the fault of the frame, but of course the niner wheels roll over things better and I havn't tried a WB thru-axle yet. I have a Weyless XP, but I can't get any money for it if I part it out and it has been very reliable, so for now I plan to keep it. I'm building up a Waltworks which I got a good deal on and I'm trying to be reasonable about cost. I'm using a lot of recylced parts and I'll be able to run it geared if I don't like single speeeding. You could get both frames and hang cheap parts off of the El Commandate and upgrade later. May Sherwood would give you a better deal. If it helps, I have a extra black King 20mm hub and I am set on getting a set of I9s for my El Cap so I really don't need a spare wheelset. I'm sure there are other deals out there for parts. My motto: if I get the frame, parts will come.

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    El Padrino

    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Yes please.
    I need to see pics of that El Padrino too.
    I have this evil thought about ditching my Superlight for one of these.



    leithma....you're gonna be a happy fellar.

    Completed the El Padrino this evening, so here's a sneak peek and i'll post some outdoor shot of the complete bike in the morning.


    Some details :


    25.6 #

    18" El Padrino frame in electric blue
    Maverick SC32 29er fork
    King headset
    Ritchey WCS stem
    Easton Monkey lite bars
    XT dual control shitters (no pun intended)
    Avid BB7 calipers 160/160
    Thomson post
    Wtb Pure V Stealth saddle
    Truvativ Stylo cranks
    XT f.der.
    XTR r.der.
    Velocity VXC rims laced to Hope Pro II hubs w/ DT supercomps
    Hope rear skewer


    only recommendation i have for this frame is to rename it the El Cohete



    take care, Chad
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    i kinda liked this one too:
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