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    Whole Enchilada in May?

    Any guesses on how early Whole Enchilada may open up? I know it's too early to know 100% but any educated guesses would be appreciated. I'm considering a trip in May but wasn't sure how early or late to go.

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    Moab is melting out fast, but it is rare that the WE is rideable in May. If it happens any year, this is the year - the ridges are already bare in the La Sals.

    Of course, a 30 inch storm or 4 would change that.
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    Thanks Chuky. I was wondering whether your winter has been as dry as California's. Guess we'll have to see how things play out this spring.

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    Going to be out there at the beginning of May so I'm watching the weather closely and praying for warth weather and no more storms. It's the only time I can make it and I'd really like to do the WE.

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    Same we have a group ride planned for the WE but we might start at Hazard- seems likely to be clear from there if this weather holds.

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    It is possible to be up there by May, but the problem is that Burro is dark and narrow and the light does not get in there. Hence, the snow can sit down in there for a long time. The mountain will look dry, but the snow will be 3 feet drifts on the burro trail. Its snowing up there right now, but the week looks like it will warm fast. Check with the bike shops around early May and they can give you some good info.

    Burro is not a lot of fun with snow drifts on it. You end up hiking the whole way and there is no flow. Burro is more likely to be running in mid june, unless the temperatures keep running warm like they have been. It has been spring in Moab for a month now. The season is running warm and the mountain will likely be running a month earlier if the trend continues.

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    Thanks Punta. I'll hope for the best and will just watch the Utah forum as we get closer to May.

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    Probably HazArd down would be doable.

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    Last year Hazard was not open at the end of May. The trail was muddy. And was almost too cold. The wind was blowing, and I was wishing I had my jacket. 30 min later I was ok. I wonder how much colder it is at the top. Do the trees act as a wind break?

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    Super cold up at 11,000 feet on top of burro in a narrow canyon that does not see a lot of sun even in the summer.

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    What are the chances of Hazard down being rideable in early April?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adzints7 View Post
    What are the chances of Hazard down being rideable in early April?
    Not good. I rode LPS Saturday and it was awesome. Yesterday and today it snow/hailed. Not awesome.

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    Man I was really hoping to ride WE in May as well. I'm planning on spending a week in Moab in mid May.

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    Early June? Trip planned for first week of June to Durango, Moab and Keystone.


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    If you can do hazard down, that will be awesome as thats the best part. I have friends who'd rather skip burro and start at hazard. If you can, try and do the whole thing. Heres a map of hazard down
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    Thanks, weather has been a roller-coaster. Hopefully we have some luck and it dries up. Thanks for the map.

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    Anybody ride Hazard down or have an update on trail conditions? Heading out on Monday, hoping the down part of the Enchilada.

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    Shuttles were going as high as UPS last weekend. Then snow wiped out LPS/UPS. Got LPS back a few days later. I suspect UPS might be back now too.

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    kokopelli down as of today.

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    Thanks for the info!

    It looks like we are going to have to pick between Mag 7 and whatever portion of TWE is open. Any thoughts? 2 Days riding with a possible 1/2 day on the way out of town. Thinking Amasa Back and Barlett Wash on day one. TWE or Mag 7 on day 2.

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    Depends what you prefer I guess. Mag7 is harder physically and longer if you ride all the way to Portal.

    Also, If you like tech, you can easily spend 4+ hours on Amasa if you include the look out, pot hole, rockstacker, Jacksons...

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    Thanks Jwind for the insight.

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    ride report

    Quote Originally Posted by adzints7 View Post
    Anybody ride Hazard down or have an update on trail conditions? Heading out on Monday, hoping the down part of the Enchilada.
    Don't forget to post your ride report when you return!

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    snowed again this weekend. Hazard is still a no go, but warm weather is coming.

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    California got nailed on Friday so maybe it was the same storm. Looks like some high pressure will be coming our way, so hopefully it'll melt things down. Thanks for the updates. Can't wait to get back on Amasa's network of trails too and try Mag 7. Are there any other technical trails around Moab similar to rockstacker/Jacksons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mealsonwheels View Post
    Are there any other technical trails around Moab similar to rockstacker/Jacksons?
    Portal would be the obvious answer. Ride over from Gemini or do the whole Mag7 to make it that much sweeter.

    Weather looks awesome and warm. With any luck we'll be on hazard soon.

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    Try the portal trail. A nice loop is starting at poison spider Mesa trail head then descending the portal trail. I have ridden Jackson's but not rock stacker. Portal trail is a easier than Jackson's but has some tetchy spots Keith tons of exposure. Check out the ride report below
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    Portal it is. Thanks for the advice. Rock stacker seemed easy compared to Jackson's, but really fun and flowy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mealsonwheels View Post
    Portal it is. Thanks for the advice. Rock stacker seemed easy compared to Jackson's, but really fun and flowy.
    I'd argue just the opposite. While there is once section on Jacksons that out-classes everything on that ride, I think Rockstacker is more consistently difficult Either way, both are touch and Amasa>RS>Jacksons remains one of my favorite rides.

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    Sorry, I was thinking of pothole arch not rockstacker. Yeah, rock stacker was technical although I felt like there were a couple higher consequence sections on jacksons. Both trails really pushed me.

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    Rode up Hazard the other day. Got about 1/2 way up before things got messy. Messy as in muddy, not snowy.

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    I'm headed to Moab a week from today, so next Thursday. Does anyone know how the snow is to ride the whole
    Enchilada? Can you get to burro pass? How far up can you go? d think this year I'd have my best chances for riding this in april.
    THANKS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bplaizier View Post
    I'm headed to Moab a week from today, so next Thursday. Does anyone know how the snow is to ride the whole
    Enchilada? Can you get to burro pass? How far up can you go? d think this year I'd have my best chances for riding this in april.
    THANKS!
    riding from Burro Pass down 1 week from today will be completely impossible
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    Quote Originally Posted by bplaizier View Post
    I'm headed to Moab a week from today, so next Thursday. Does anyone know how the snow is to ride the whole
    Enchilada? Can you get to burro pass? How far up can you go? d think this year I'd have my best chances for riding this in april.
    THANKS!
    Did you read my post just above your?

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    Any update on Hazard? We'll be riding that area Friday, wondering where to start from...

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    Shuttles were running to top of Kokopelli section, which is bottom of Hazard, on Sunday.

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    95 degrees in town today.

    Any chance for Hazard this weekend?

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    I'm riding this trail friday, I'll let you know how hi I can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bplaizier View Post
    I'm riding this trail friday, I'll let you know how hi I can get.
    I got like 3 feet of air.

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    We'll be checking it out tomorrow.. Was really hoping to get Hazard in, but sounds like it's still a few days off. Any updates from this crowd?

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    I'll be out there in a couple weeks; it sounds very likely for Hazard county to be good. I'm not going to hold my breath for anything else being dry enough up high, but if Schuman or Burro happen to dry out, that would be sweet.

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    Rode kokopelli today, couldn't go much higher because of the big rain storm yesterday. The tral would have been completely dry except for yesterdays big rain storm. I imagine hazard will be open soon. What a fun trail.

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    Thanks for all the updates guys- our trip is planned for this coming Saturday the 5th. I mean come on whats Cinco de Mayo without trying to kill yourself just once? Sober no less too.

    We might have to figure something out if we can't at least shuttle to Kokopelli.

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    Subscribed ... Will be there week of May 14 and have my fingers crossed

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    All be there for the 1st time, may 24-28... Hoping for warm dry weather !

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    Quote Originally Posted by rz79 View Post
    All be there for the 1st time, may 24-28... Hoping for warm dry weather !
    Us too same dates. Its gotta be pretty dang dry by the end of the month. Where you guys staying/camping? Since that's memorial weekend I'm having a tough time finding camp ground vacancy in town. We may have to rough it on BLM.


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    Red stone lodge bro... It was hard to find a room, so I know camp sites are prolly as scarce if not even worse

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    Rode Hazard today from town. Totally dry. Road to Warner Lake rumored to open tomorrow, Friday May 4th.

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    It's good to know the road from town is totally dry. I was worried about that. Thanks, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rz79 View Post
    Red stone lodge bro... It was hard to find a room, so I know camp sites are prolly as scarce if not even worse
    Ha...I ended up finding an air conditioned cabin at Moab Rim Campark. YESSSSS!

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    Hazard down...was awesome. Quite few riders this morning but was a great day to ride....a great day.

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    ^ good news right here!

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    subscribed. heading out 5/19, so keep the updates coming! Thanks!

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    A little more ride report (like you need to know more other than we got to Hazard down)...well we could have done Warner Campground down it was so dry. In fact some parts of the trail were dusty the sand was lose but my gosh what a day- blue skies, warm, lots of friendly riders on the trail, two pinch flats (crap I knew I should have thrown those new Nevegal USTs and gone tubeless BEFORE I left) oh yeah I saw Pua as well killin it on Porcupine (Saturday).

    I hadn't been on Porcupine for literally 10plus years and it didnt disappoint. Rough tough and a whole lot of fun. I totally forgot how difficult the end gets when you are exhausted. Anyways- gotta get that into the schedule one more time this year for sure.
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    Ran into one guy who did Burro down on Saturday. Minimal snow, a little mud and a few downed limbs.

    Allegedly one local shuttle van did a Burro run on Sunday. This latter info I have from someone who spoke to someone who may or may not have been in the van.

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    This is shaping up!!! < crosses fingers > Cmmmon global warming! No more snow!!!

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    who spoke to someone who may or may not have been in the van.[/QUOTE]


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    any more info on w.e.?

    I'm heading out to Moab tomorrow and hoping to ride w.e. Saturday. Anyone have current info on Burro pass? Rideable, or do I need to start further down? If so where? Thanks in advance.

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    hazard down was fun but i would def want to hear more about this burro run...
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    Just booked my shuttle services for memorial day weekend. Only running shuttles to hazard, Burro still under snow they said

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    Quote Originally Posted by cemeb4dk View Post
    Just booked my shuttle services for memorial day weekend. Only running shuttles to hazard, Burro still under snow they said
    We just booked ours too! What shuttle service/time/day you running? We're doing Saturday @10a. I think we still have time though...that snows GOTTA be melting away right now. I'm hoping for the whole enchilada baby!!

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    We booked thru porcupine, it was referenced on poison spider website since we renting bikes there. Brian has been great to deal with so far. We are riding hazard down on Friday via the 10 am shuttle since we will miss his first at 730 because the bike shop doesn't open til 8. Sat we are planing on riding mag 7

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    Quote Originally Posted by cemeb4dk View Post
    We booked thru porcupine, it was referenced on poison spider website since we renting bikes there. Brian has been great to deal with so far. We are riding hazard down on Friday via the 10 am shuttle since we will miss his first at 730 because the bike shop doesn't open til 8. Sat we are planing on riding mag 7
    Yah we booked with them too but we're doing it Saturday @ 10am...hoping for the Whole Enchilada. I have friends that have all been down there and say Bryan runs the best shuttle service there.

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    Anyone know if I'll be able to drive my Prius up to Warner Lake at the end of the month? I'm getting into town on May 29th and would like to shuttle Hazard (wife will drop me off).

    Discover Moab says the road to Warner Lake Campground is a "graded dirt road". The Prius has seen much worse if that description is accurate.

    And what is up with this notice I found about La Sal Mountain Loop Rd? Are they talking about the La Sal / Geyser Pass road that comes from the south by Ken's Lake?:

    Road Construction Notice: Due to road work and closures on the La Sal Loop Road, Warner Lake must be accessed via Sand Flats Road.

    From Moab, drive south on Highway 191 to 300 South, turn left (east) and follow the signs to the Slickrock Bike Trail. At the Sand Flats entrance booth, tell them you are headed to Warner Lake Campground (entrance is free) and continue 17.5 miles on a dirt road to the paved La Sal Loop Road. Turn right and drive 2.4 miles on the paved La Sal Loop Road to the dirt Warner Lake Road.

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    Big road work/maintenance scheduled for the Loop Road this summer. Expect it to affect all user groups from mtn bikers to climbers to ATV'ers.

    Precisely how the traffic is being managed is unclear to me from the info I could gather.

    If Warner is only accessible from Sand Flats, as mentioned in the post above, then figure on at least double drive time and huge wear on the vehicle. This is an indicator that large sections of the pavement approaches to the mountains will receive a total traffic closure. Can that be correct?

    Going to Burro however, which really soon will be everyone's goal, may not be affected as I read it?

    Anybody know more?

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    I found the info on the La Sal Loop Rd closure:

    http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...7_12_Final.pdf

    Moab Times-Independent - La Sal Mountain Loop Road construction to create delays detours beginning in June

    Manti-La Sal National Forest - News & Events

    Looks like I will be good to go for my trip at the end of the month. People with trips during the summer and early fall may have some issues though....

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    Rode Burro today. Top 1000' of the descent is 70% snow covered, spotty after that down to 9800'. Very short dirt stretches between deep drifts; hardly worth pedaling. Only one or two downed trees. Once below the snow the trail is bone dry. Altogether a fun adventure with nobody but me out there.

    Looks like some vehicles have gone as far as Geyser Pass. After that it's muddy and rough. The single track climb up to the pass is almost clear of snow.
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    thanks for ride report

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    Any guesses as to whether Burro will be clear by June 12th when my group is in town with the hopes of riding the Whole Enchilada?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jan_nikolajsen View Post
    Rode Burro today. Top 1000' of the descent is 70% snow covered, spotty after that down to 9800'. Very short dirt stretches between deep drifts; hardly worth pedaling. Only one or two downed trees. Once below the snow the trail is bone dry. Altogether a fun adventure with nobody but me out there.

    Looks like some vehicles have gone as far as Geyser Pass. After that it's muddy and rough. The single track climb up to the pass is almost clear of snow.
    So does this mean the road is completely clear up to burro for the start of TWE? I'm crossing my fingers that the shuttle service will take us up that far on the 26th when we're there!!

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    Not completely clear yet for vehicles. But my bike had no trouble at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jan_nikolajsen View Post
    Not completely clear yet for vehicles. But my bike had no trouble at all.
    How far of a road climb is it from where the shuttles will leave you at Hazard up to Burro?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudman003 View Post
    How far of a road climb is it from where the shuttles will leave you at Hazard up to Burro?
    Warner Lake/Hazard County isn't directly on the way to Geyser Pass. You'd be almost as well off to ride up from Ken's Lake unless you can get the Shuttle driver to drop you at the turn off for Geyser Pass.
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    Given the current rapid decline in snow pack, and based on what I saw on a trip to Burro last week, I can guarantee anybody with enough desire and a high clearance vehicle to reach the typical Burro trailhead on Memorial Day weekend.

    Except for maybe walking the top dozen switchbacks you will also be able to ride the entire Enchilada.

    Whether any commercial Moab based shuttles will run all the way to Geyser Pass on the holiday is something I have no say in.

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    I rode hazard down this weekend. Took the coyote shuttle from the chilli pepper bike shop. It was awesome. I didn't really enjoy the last part of porcupine rim though. Lots of hike a bike on the side of a cliff. I'm not a fan of high difficulty with very high consequences for mistakes. Especially in the evening when the sun is blazing and you're already tired from the rest of the enchilada. Anyway our shuttle driver, I think her name was Sarah was super awesome. Very friendly. I believe she is the partial owner of the business. She said burro wouldn't be open until June/July. Hazard down was plenty for my gf and I. Going girl friend speed requires so much more physical effort then just keeping it pinned in the down hills the whole time. Just my thoughts. Oh any by the way its already SUPER HOT in moab. Bring plenty of water! I don't plan on returning to moab until the late fall to complete TWE. Have fun!

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    If I have a low tolerance for heat, is July a bad time to do TWE? I'm sure everything above Hazard will be comfortable, but is it going to be too hot to enjoy Hazard down? There is no question it will be hot down there but I am wondering whether the fact that the ride is mostly downhill, maybe the heat won't be so oppressive. Thoughts? I would wait until September but I have a window of opportunity in July and I want to take it if I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpalmer View Post
    If I have a low tolerance for heat, is July a bad time to do TWE? I'm sure everything above Hazard will be comfortable, but is it going to be too hot to enjoy Hazard down? There is no question it will be hot down there but I am wondering whether the fact that the ride is mostly downhill, maybe the heat won't be so oppressive. Thoughts? I would wait until September but I have a window of opportunity in July and I want to take it if I can.
    All depends on you and the weather! It isn't a trail I mind riding in the heat, because, as you mentioned, it is mostly downhill, so it isn't like you're climbing for hours with the sun beating down on you. If I have plenty of water, I don't mind the heat too much, anyway.

    That said, there isn't much of any shade on the trail, especially when you get down past LPS. The last 2 times I've ridden it (early Oct. and mid-May), the bottom section was getting pretty warm on mid-80* days, especially after you've already been riding for a couple of hours.

    Depends on the day, too. You could luck out and have an 85* partly cloudy day (conditions last time I rode it, just about perfect!), or you could have 105* and blazing sun (probably more likely in July). So you might have to play it by ear and see how the weather is going to work for you.

    If you're gonna be there anyway, I'd definitely take the bike, see what happens with the weather, and try to arrange an early shuttle. It is an awesome trail. If you're going out of your way to get there, maybe not ideal time of year.
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    Rode Burro again today. Approach is dry. Only one or two brief sections of snow left on the upper switchbacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jan_nikolajsen View Post
    Rode Burro again today. Approach is dry. Only one or two brief sections of snow left on the upper switchbacks.
    What shuttle service did you use? We are headed for the Whole Enchilada tomorrow.

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    My group will be doing TWE next Friday the 15th. I understand that shuttle services can't go all the way up to Burro until July 1. Two questions:
    1. If we get a shuttle to the top of Hazard, how bad is the ride/walk to the top of Burro to be able to do the full ride. I've heard about 8 miles and 2,500 ft elevation. Is this right?
    2. Is there an "unofficial" shuttle that can get us up there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashCanipe View Post
    My group will be doing TWE next Friday the 15th. I understand that shuttle services can't go all the way up to Burro until July 1.
    No shuttles are going to Burro right now.

    If we get a shuttle to the top of Hazard, how bad is the ride/walk to the top of Burro to be able to do the full ride. I've heard about 8 miles and 2,500 ft elevation. Is this right?
    More like 14. 1/2 of that is going to be back DOWN from Hazard to the Loop road and then the other 1/2 is going to be up Geyser Pass rd. I've only done it once to ride Moonlight Meadows and It's not an awesome climb, but it's not terrible. Gets a bit loose in sections, but fo the most part, just sort of a grind. I suppose it depends on what kind of shape your group is in and how much your into the whole gravel grinder thing.

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    Maybe Crashcanipe is thinking about going up the actual trail to Burro and then turning around. That would be around 8 miles.

    If I was to do TWE using a commercial Hazard shuttle I would ask kindly to be dropped at the base of the Geyser pass road (7900'). Then simply ride the friendly inclined gravel road up to Geyser pass (10600'), as Jwind suggests, and on to the steep 4x4/single track to Burro (11200'). Did this yesterday in 2.5hrs time or so.

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    Jwind and Jan, we are thinking of taking the road up. I see what you mean about being dropped at the base of Geyser pass. How many miles is the road climb from 7900ft up to 11200ft? I see 2.5hrs which is a little more than I thought but not much.

    I assume it is easy to find our way to the trailhead - meaning signs off the main jeep road?

    Any thoughts on finding a private shuttle to transport six bikes and bikers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashCanipe View Post
    Jwind and Jan, we are thinking of taking the road up. I see what you mean about being dropped at the base of Geyser pass. How many miles is the road climb from 7900ft up to 11200ft? I see 2.5hrs which is a little more than I thought but not much.

    I assume it is easy to find our way to the trailhead - meaning signs off the main jeep road?

    Any thoughts on finding a private shuttle to transport six bikes and bikers?
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    7-10 miles maybe. It's not even a Jeep road, but more of a gravel road. I've gotten my Subaru up it. Some of the corners get loose, but other than that, not terrible.

    I do not know off any fly-by-night shuttles

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    One more question - would we be better off riding up Burro TRAIL versus the road (unlikely we would hit any riders coming down given there are no shuttles up!). My thinking is that if we realize that the climb is too much for anyone in the group, we could always just turn around. Plus, based on the map, it doesn't look like it would be nearly as much elevation gain required although the climb would be slower.

    thoughts?

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    Ridding up Burro is going to be a tough bid. It's the steepest part of the whole ride. I'd ride up the road personally.

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    Absolutely.

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    Just finished Whole Enchilada about 3 hours ago. What a blast. Coyote Shuttles dropped us at the top of Hazard County and we went from there. They told us they couldn't shuttle to Burro Pass till July 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank TJ View Post
    Just finished Whole Enchilada about 3 hours ago. What a blast. Coyote Shuttles dropped us at the top of Hazard County and we went from there. They told us they couldn't shuttle to Burro Pass till July 1.
    So is TWE now considered to NOT include getting dropped off below Burro Pass, grinding to the top of Burro then descending past Warner Lake then onto Hazard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    So is TWE now considered to NOT include getting dropped off below Burro Pass, grinding to the top of Burro then descending past Warner Lake then onto Hazard?
    Well then I guess we did Hazard County down to Colorado river. Call it what you want..


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    i haven't checked, but i would hope shuttles are running all the way up by now. geyser pass road is freshly graded and in prime shape all the way up past the parking area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yesca View Post
    i haven't checked, but i would hope shuttles are running all the way up by now. geyser pass road is freshly graded and in prime shape all the way up past the parking area.
    Commercial shuttles are not allowed to run Burro until after July 1st. Maybe the Forest Service officials will amend that rule on a low snow year like this, but so far we haven't heard anything to that effect.

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    So shuttles are not allowed to the top, but can I drive my truck up there ?

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    Yes dcpowpow, you can do a self shuttle. Just did it two days ago. All of burro pass is clear to ride and conditions are great.

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    Is anyone going to the top of Burro this Sat ?
    I was going to be in Moab this Sat and wanted to shuttle the Whole enchilada, but if commercial shuttles are still not running maybe someone we can join with someone else that wants to do this. There will be 3 of us.
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    I'll be in western CO in July, thinking about a quick 1.5 day trip to Moab to ride TWE, as a pre-ride for the enduro race this fall.

    Is is stupid to attempt this whole TWE route in July, when you know its going to be scorching hot for the last half of the ride?

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    I asked the same question earlier on in this thread somewhere and was told "maybe". The section above Hazard will be fine because of the elevation, but it is hella hot below that and it is a hot, dry summer so far. I would imagine that if all goes perfectly, you would be fine, but if you get a flat or need to stop for some reason down on the Porcupine Rim section it would probably be miserable.

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    If you have a mechanical or get lost below LPS and have to spend hours out there - then it could be life threatening.

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    I rode it last year in Aug and it was 105 at the bottom. The start was 50 deg at top and brink lots of water, pace yourself and when you get to the bottom, go to the river and dunk your jersey. It is so worth it and you will be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rfxc View Post
    I'll be in western CO in July, thinking about a quick 1.5 day trip to Moab to ride TWE, as a pre-ride for the enduro race this fall.

    Is is stupid to attempt this whole TWE route in July, when you know its going to be scorching hot for the last half of the ride?
    You'll get replies from those who say you'll be fine. Everyone's different. I'd advise you not to do it. Just shuttle up to Burro Pass, get down to the overlook into Castle Valley then bail down the road. My main concern would be having a mechanical somewhere on the singletrack in 100 degree temps and running out of water. Paranoid, I know, but Moab in July is freakin' brutal.
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    Thanks guys. I suppose i should also ask.... How bad would it be to race the enduro without having ridden twe? Again, I've ridden the lower half many times, just not hazard/burro.


    I could spend that time in July riding more around crested butte, etc.

    I really appreciate all the feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfxc View Post
    thanks guys. I suppose i should also ask.... How bad would it be to race the enduro without having ridden twe? Again, i've ridden the lower half many times, just not hazard/burro.


    I could spend that time in july riding more around crested butte, etc.

    I really appreciate all the feedback.

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    Thought I'd resurrect an old post. We want to ride Whole Enchilada Memorial Day Weekend. Was curious if this storm is bringing rain or snow to upper elevations. Thanks!

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    Commercial shuttles are not allowed up Geysar pass until July 1st. Last year was super dry and I'm fairly certain there was an exception made by the FS. I can't remember when Burro was dry last year. Seems to me it was right around Memorial day FWIW. So extrapolating from there, I wouldn't get your hopes up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
    Commercial shuttles are not allowed up Geysar pass until July 1st. Last year was super dry and I'm fairly certain there was an exception made by the FS. I can remember when Burro was dry last year. Seems to me it was right around Memorial day FWIW. So extrapolating from there, I wouldn't get your hopes up.
    In lieu of Whole Enchilada, would Mag 7 be a good alternative for a longer classic ride? Thanks for the advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mealsonwheels View Post
    In lieu of Whole Enchilada, would Mag 7 be a good alternative for a longer classic ride? Thanks for the advice.
    I don't know if it's "classic" or whatever as 1/2 of it's pretty new, but a true Mag 7 - like from 313 and ending with Portal, while totally different, is every bit as "good" and in some ways better then the enchilada if you ask me. Certainly more strenuous.

    As a side bar, it snowed up high yesterday. Maybe today too. Can't see yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mealsonwheels View Post
    Thought I'd resurrect an old post. We want to ride Whole Enchilada Memorial Day Weekend. Was curious if this storm is bringing rain or snow to upper elevations. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mealsonwheels View Post
    In lieu of Whole Enchilada, would Mag 7 be a good alternative for a longer classic ride? Thanks for the advice.
    Not in lieu of, but Mag 7 -> Portal is a good *complement* to TWE. When we were there a couple weeks back we did Koko down and Mag 7. Along with other assorted shenanigans.

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    Hey what's the update on this? I know there was a good storm about the time you posted this but its gotten really hot the past few days. I'm looking at Memorial Day and thinking its a long shot but is Burro still going to be buried? What's the highest we could get on TWE?

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    Re: Whole Enchilada in May?

    I'll be there this upcoming Saturday and will report back.

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    Hazard & Burro were still closed according to Chile pepper bike shop so on saturday i just rode kokopelli down. Was dry and hot.

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    We rode UPS, LPS, and PR last Friday, the shuttles couldn't even get us to the bottom of hazard county bc the road was muddy as hell. There is still a lot of snow up on the LaSals so don't expect to ride the WE until Summer. The trails were in great condition though.

    On a side note, I would suggest using a different shuttle than Coyote. Our driver was great, however when going through the kiosk on Sand Flats Rd. he expected all of us to pay the extra $2 entrance fee, and acted like he didn't know there was an extra fee. Kind of funny that a shuttle company running up their multiple times a day didn't know each person had to pay the $2. Luckily after everyone refusing to pay the driver forked out the cash. You would think at $25 a person with a van full of 14 people - $350 they would have that factored into the cost!

    My advice stick with the people over at Poison Spider bike shop, much friendlier, and when I destroyed by drive train they had me up and running by 9 am the next morning!

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    We did hazard down today!!!! We took coyote shuttle. Highly recommended.

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    We did Whole Enchilada Saturday from Hazard down. Perfect conditions with no mud and tacky soil on Hazard.

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