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    St. George/Hurricane Trip Planner

    Let's get with the program here people. There is a need for a sticky thread with good detailed info on planning a trip to SW Utah. Every week there is a new thread about what to ride, when to ride, what to expect and where to eat/sleep. With some help I'd like to get one together that will help declutter the Utah board with more important stuff like the Humdinger endurance Race. Of course my opinion might not be like everybody elses but some feed back from everybody would be a great idea so I can edit this down to a few solid posts.

    First order of business is there is a website that is a huge chunk of detailed info that can be extremely helpful in planning a trip out here and it is http://utahmountainbiking.com There are pictues, descriptions, gps files, and maps to help pick and choose what to ride. Even better is to stop by the local bike shops and get maps and ask around

    Hurricane Area:
    Over the Edge
    http://otesports.com/shops/hurricane/

    Springdale/Zion Area(grafton):
    Zion Cycles
    http://zioncycles.com/

    St. George Area:
    Red Rock bicycles
    http://redrockbicycle.com/
    Bikes Unlimited:
    http://www.bicyclesunlimited.com/

    After hours there are some bike essential (tubes, patches, etc) vending machines. one even at the chevron below Gooseberry
    http://24hrbikeshop.com/NV_ID_UT_CO_Locations.html


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    1. First question that is asked the most is "what to ride."
    The trails in this Corner of the state can be broken down into two different areas, Hurricane riding and St. George riding. For the most part the two towns can be as close as 20 minutes to around and hour to get from one town to another depending on where you are coming from. So I would plan trails down to riding in one area at a time. Ride Hurricane for a day or two and then ride STG and vise versa. The Trails I would suggest are in my mind how I would do it. Not counting beginner or advanced in this list but more as an all around most riders best choice options.

    Hurricane area:

    -Gooseberry mesa: Technical Slickrock riding and is a must do.

    -Little Creek Mesa: More great slickrock riding but tough to navigate and not well marked yet so not for people that can get turned around easily.

    -Jem/Hurricane Rim/Goulds loop: Can be broken into shorter parts/loops or done as a large loop but is great and is mostly buff singletrack

    -Guacamole: Similar to Gooseberry riding but a mini/shorter version of it.

    -Grafton Mesa: Technical Chunky Singletrack. Appeals more to the all mountain/DH bike type of riding. Best done shuttled

    -Babylon/Little Purgatory: The trail is actually in Leeds but is in between the 2 towns. Technical singltrack with some climbing and some good descending. Not for beginners


    St. George Riding.

    -Zen Trail: Technical Singletrack with a good amount of climbing and descending. More for intermediate and advanced riders. Must do trail. loop

    -Barrel Ride: right next door to Zen and is very similar riding. More technical but does have several jumps/drops, most have alt lines/ride arounds. loop

    -Green valley loop/Bear claw Poppy/Stucki Springs: Classic mountain bike trail that can be done several different ways from. All different riders from beginner to advanced. 99% dirt singletrack with short ups and downs similar to a rollercoaster.

    -Icehouse/Broken Mesa: Longer loop options or shuttled. Technical singletrack from buff to chunky and technical. Mostly gradual climb and descent but has a steep final descent off mesa that would be difficult for begenners. Like Jem trail but with more vertical feet lost.

    -Santa Clara river Preserve Trails:
    Barrel Roll, Sidewinder, Rim rocks, Anazasi trail: Great XC style singletrack. Lots of loop options. All levels of riding. Trail is dirt/rock

    -Church rocks/Prospector trail/Dino cliffs: Moab style riding on Red slickrock and singletrack. Great for all riders. short and longer loops. XC and technical riding.

    -Paradise Canyon/turtle wall/chuckawalla: More Moab style Red rock riding. Mostly singletrack but does have small areas of slickrock and technical riding. Great for all levels and in town riding. Has some advanced/short drops in areas.




    Here is more info for the Hurricane/Springdale area: (Thanks STT Guy)

    Dining Options

    Zion National Park

    The Zion Park Lodge ($$-$$$) Breakfast, Lunch Dinner – Good food and reasonable prices. Located in the heart of Zion Canyon..We recommend lunch on the deck….the veiws are spectacular. Between April 1 and Oct 15 you will have to ride the Zion Park Shuttle to get to the lodge, it’s easy and it’s free.

    Springdale

    Oscars ($$). – (our personal favorite!) Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner - Eclectic Mexican inspired dishes and the absolute BEST burgers and sandwiches in the area. The Mahi-Mahi fish tacos are my personal favorite and the ribs are excellent. Plenty of vegetarian options as well.

    Flying Monkey Pizza and Pasta ($$) open at 11AM every day - Great Pizza and pasta dishes. Good selection of appetizers and sandwiches.

    Pizza Noodle ($$1/2) open at 4pm daily – Excellent pizza, pasta dishes and good grinders.

    Wildcat Willies ($$$) Steaks, chicken and American fare. Excellent ribs and steaks. Full liquor bar.

    Whip-tail Grill ($$) Small café with varying eclectic menu items. Vegitarian options.

    Jacks ($$) sports bar and pub but great food as well. State Liquor Store is adjacent.

    The Switchback ($$$ - $$$$) steaks, chops, seafood. Classic American fare.

    Spotted Dog ($$$) Rather eclectic menu selection prepared and presented a bit upscale.

    Parallel 88 ($$$$) Excellent local chef creates some very tasty dishes. Good wine list as well.

    Bit and Spur ($$$) Local watering hole bar as well as good Mexican influenced fare. Full liquor bar.

    Hurricane

    Main Street Café ($$) – Breakfast and Lunch Only– Great breakfast and lunch and a local favorite.

    Ted and Allens ($$) Lunch and Dinner – Sports pub atmosphere with good sandwiches and a variety of menu choices including salads and daily specials.

    Durangos Mexican ($$) Lunch and Dinner – Yummy mexican food served fast. Great value and good for to-go dishes as well.

    Papa Murphy’s Pizza ($) – They make it, you take it home and bake it. Hard to beat this pizza value.

    Little Caesars ($) - Pizza-Pizza J


    Groceries & Supplies

    Farmers Market & Gas Station in La Verkin, is a nice full service grocery store with a good selection of meats and fresh vegetables - Take State Route 9 right into LaVerkin and the Farmers Market is on the SW corner..


    Sporting Goods


    Ace Hardware and Sporting Goods – Located in Hurricane, these are good folks and have a great selection and very fair prices. Fishing licenses can be purchased here as can tackle, shooting supplies, camping supplies, etc..


    Gas & Diesel

    Farmers Market – is the closest. Gas is also available is Springdale but is 30 to 40 cents more per gallon.


    Area Attractions & national parks..


    Zion National Park – Turn right out of our driveway and then left on State Route 9…in 16 miles you’re there!

    Grand Canyon North Rim – Turn right on State Route 9. Follow SR 9 back into Hurricane and take a left on State Route 89 and follow the signs to 89A and the North Rim.

    Bryce Canyon national Park – Take SR9 right to the Chevron. Go right at the light and follow the road back out to I-15. Take I-15 North through Cedar City and follow the signs to Bryce Canyon National Park.

    Coral Pink Sand Dunes State Park – Beautiful sand dunes created from red Navajo sandstone. Ask us for directions.

    Snow Canyon State Park – Area of beautiful white rock formations and home of many movie sets. Several good areas for novice rock climbers with pre-bolted routes. Also a paved bike path that extends for several miles.

    Sand Hollow Lake and State Park – Nice fishing lake (bluegill and bass) and a large OHV area accessing the sand dunes. If you are an ATV’er this is your kind of park. Miles and miles of sand dunes and slickrock areas provide hours of enjoyment.

    Fishing

    Quail Hollow Reservoir – Good trout fishing and it is accessible from shore. Kolob Reservoir – Trophy trout lake… they’re kinda’ picky!!
    Sand Hollow – Crappie, Bluegill and Small Mouth bass

    Fishing licenses can be purchased at ACE Hardware on SR 9 in Hurricane. Hours” M-Sat 8AM – 8PM







    This is a good start for now
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    Good job! Another Resource To Add!

    Hey shelbster15,

    Thanks for posting those resources and suggested rides. They certainly fit my experience during the two biking vacations we’ve enjoyed in St. George. Even after those two wonderful weeks there are rides on your list that I want to do when I go back.

    I would add one additional local resource that added to our enjoyment. We had a wonderful time using the services of Mark Erickson at Mountain Bike Buddies

    http://www.mountainbikebuddies.com/

    Mark’s extensive local knowledge of the trails saved us time and effort. He made sure my wife didn’t get on a trail that was over her head and maximized our fun every day we rode with him.

    I highly recommend him and his service!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shelbster15
    Let's get with the program here people. There is a need for a sticky thread with good detailed info on planning a trip to SW Utah. Every week there is a new thread about what to ride, when to ride, what to expect and where to eat/sleep. With some help I'd like to get one together that will help declutter the Utah board with more important stuff like the Humdinger endurance Race. Of course my opinion might not be like everybody elses but some feed back from everybody would be a great idea so I can edit this down to a few solid posts.

    First order of business is there is a website that is a huge chunk of detailed info that can be extremely helpful in planning a trip out here and it is http://utahmountainbiking.com There are pictues, descriptions, gps files, and maps to help pick and choose what to ride. Even better is to stop by the local bike shops and get maps and ask around

    Hurricane Area:
    Over the Edge
    http://otesports.com/shops/hurricane/

    Springdale/Zion Area(grafton):
    Zion Cycles
    http://zioncycles.com/

    St. George Area:
    Red Rock bicycles
    http://redrockbicycle.com/
    Bikes Unlimited:
    http://www.bicyclesunlimited.com/

    1. First question that is asked the most is "what to ride."
    The trails in this Corner of the state can be broken down into two different areas, Hurricane riding and St. George riding. For the most part the two towns can be as close as 20 minutes to around and hour to get from one town to another depending on where you are coming from. So I would plan trails down to riding in one area at a time. Ride Hurricane for a day or two and then ride STG and vise versa. The Trails I would suggest are in my mind how I would do it. Not counting beginner or advanced in this list but more as an all around most riders best choice options.

    Hurricane area:

    -Gooseberry mesa: Technical Slickrock riding and is a must do.

    -Little Creek Mesa: More great slickrock riding but tough to navigate and not well marked yet so not for people that can get turned around easily.

    -Jem/Hurricane Riml/Goulds loop: Can be broken into shorter parts/loops or done as a large loop but is great and is mostly buff singletrack

    -Guacamole: Similar to Gooseberry riding but a mini/shorter version of it.

    -Grafton Mesa: Technical Chunky Singletrack. Appeals more to the all mountain/DH bike type of riding. Best done shuttled

    -Babylon/Little Purgatory: The trail is actually in Leeds but is in between the 2 towns. Technical singltrack with some climbing and some good descending. Not for beginners


    St. George Riding.

    -Zen Trail: Technical Singletrack with a good amount of climbing and descending. More for intermediate and advanced riders. Must do trail. loop

    -Barrel Ride: right next door to Zen and is very similar riding. More technical but does have several jumps/drops, most have alt lines/ride arounds. loop

    -Green valley loop/Bear claw Poppy/Stucki Springs: Classic mountain bike trail that can be done several different ways from. All different riders from beginner to advanced. 99% dirt singletrack with short ups and downs similar to a rollercoaster.

    -Icehouse/Broken Mesa: Longer loop options or shuttled. Technical singletrack from buff to chunky and technical. Mostly gradual climb and descent but has a steep final descent off mesa that would be difficult for begenners. Like Jem trail but with more vertical feet lost.

    -Santa Clara river Preserve Trails:
    Barrel Roll, Sidewinder, Rim rocks, Anazasi trail: Great XC style singletrack. Lots of loop options. All levels of riding. Trail is dirt/rock

    -Church rocks/Prospector trail/Dino cliffs: Moab style riding on Red slickrock and singletrack. Great for all riders. short and longer loops. XC and technical riding.

    -Paradise Canyon/turtle wall/chuckawalla: More Moab style Red rock riding. Mostly singletrack but does have small areas of slickrock and technical riding. Great for all levels and in town riding. Has some advanced/short drops in areas.

    This is a good start for now
    Hurricane RIM not Hurricane Canal. The canal trail is a non-motorized hiking trail that drops down to the virgin river.

    Prospector and Church Rocks...... it's "Old Faithful" when it's wet out.

    Might also waht to putr some stuff up about what is good when it's wet and what's not. Our trails took an absolute beating this winter between cows and riders who were not aware of where to and where not to ride.... and a few who just didn't GAF.
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    Good eye. fixed it. I'm far from perfect. Chime in also with camping advise and restaurants or what not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shelbster15
    Good eye. fixed it. I'm far from perfect. Chime in also with camping advise and restaurants or what not.
    Shoot me your email address via PM and I'll shoot you what we give to our guests... Covers Hurricane, Springdale and Zions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STT GUY
    Shoot me your email address via PM and I'll shoot you what we give to our guests... Covers Hurricane, Springdale and Zions.
    SST you just had too

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    Shelbster,

    Can you put on the sticky that there is a Bike Box (trail maps, tubes, lube etc) at the Chevron gas station on your left just before the Gooseberry dirt road turn off?
    http://24hrbikeshop.com/NV_ID_UT_CO_Locations.html

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    I like knowing where the Zions are just in case I need some quick cash

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964
    I like knowing where the Zions are just in case I need some quick cash
    I did that to see how long you guys whould take to pounce on me. Thank you for not disappointing...
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    Mods, can we make this a sticky, please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    Mods, can we make this a sticky, please?
    Sure thing!
    Sounds awesome out there! My neighbor will be retiring out there across the highway from St George. He has had the land for over 20 years, good foresight!
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    If I wasn't married, I'd buy a place out in Hurricane right now. I'd use it as a rental for a few years and then move out there myself when I retire. My wife has never been to the area other than driving thru on the way to Lake Powell. As of now, we plan on retiring in SW Colorado outside of Durango. 7-12 years to go depending on how long she wants to keep working full time, I'm done in 3 years, 6 months and 24 days!!

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    Any updates on lodging?

    I have gotten no response from the few VRBO listings in Hurricane. I can't tell if staying in St George is too far from Gooseberry or if it would be fine to stay there.

    Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by essjss
    Any updates on lodging?

    I have gotten no response from the few VRBO listings in Hurricane. I can't tell if staying in St George is too far from Gooseberry or if it would be fine to stay there.

    Thanks in advance!
    When are you looking to stay..... a link in my sig line takes you to our place.
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    Last weekend in Sept (2011). Looks like your place is booked but I sent an e-mail anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by essjss
    Any updates on lodging?

    I have gotten no response from the few VRBO listings in Hurricane. I can't tell if staying in St George is too far from Gooseberry or if it would be fine to stay there.

    Thanks in advance!
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    How long are you staying down here? For hurricane its about 30-45 minutes to get to the white trail parking lot. For stg its going to be 15-30 more minutes depending on where you stay in town. Are you riding anything else?(stg trails and what not) that would be a major determining factor.

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    Right now it looks like a Thursday eve arrival and Sunday mid-day departure. I have heard that Gooseberry can be covered in a day and the mesa to the south can take another day, as far as the 1/2 day, I'm not sure where to go.

    I'm not sure if that is the best use of time for 2.5 days of riding, any and all suggestions are welcome.

    We don't really want to be in the car too long before/after rides so it sounds like Hurricane might be the best bet but I guess another 15 min wouldn't kill anyone if the options are better.

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    You can make a full day out of gooseberry. Or at least a big chunk and go ride something else if your legs can take it. Im usually done for the day after 15 miles up there. Go ride little creek in the morning and jem in the afternoon. On sunday go to st. George and ride zen and try to add barrel ride.(dos mesas). That would be around 3 hours of good riding.

    St. George has a better selection of motels and food selection but hurricane will be more practical

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    If STTguy's place is booked, the next best option is Hurricane. I'm surprised you aren't getting any replies. I had great luck when I was using VRBO for Hurricane lodging. Check www.homeaway.com as well. We found a 2BR/1BA place there for $85 a night in NW Hurricane...bonus that it is literally across the street from Church Rocks riding and has a designated bike/ATV wash area. It was about 15-20 minutes to JEM Trail, unknown how much further to Goose as it was snowed in/over on our trip.

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    Anyone know where the coral springs condos are in relation to Gooseberry? I'd like to spend as little time as possible in the car. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by essjss View Post
    Anyone know where the coral springs condos are in relation to Gooseberry? I'd like to spend as little time as possible in the car. Thanks!
    Your just over an hour to the White Road trailhead.... unless you have a rental car with damage waiver.. then maybe 40 minutes. You have to go SR 9 to SR 59 and then catch Smithsonian Butte Buyway to the Goosebery turn-off.
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    Thanks for the info Monte. That is good to know before we get there. You're still booked for Sep 29-Oct 2 right?

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    Am planning a trip this weekend. I've been before, but have only ever done Gooseberry, Bearclaw Poppy, and Zen.

    Our plan is to ride Gooseberry and make almost a full day of it. But we'd like another 1-2 hours somewhere else in the Hurricane area. Any suggestions?

    What's a time estimate for the JEM/Hurricane/Goulds trails? Is there enough to make it a full day (6 hours or so)? Or would it be good just doing a portion for 1-2 hours after Gooseberry.


    Another question.....I see it's raining today and rain in the forecast for Thursday. Will trails be okay on Friday? Saturday? Any trails particularly bad with drainage that we should stay away from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinnacle10 View Post
    Am planning a trip this weekend. I've been before, but have only ever done Gooseberry, Bearclaw Poppy, and Zen.

    Our plan is to ride Gooseberry and make almost a full day of it. But we'd like another 1-2 hours somewhere else in the Hurricane area. Any suggestions?

    What's a time estimate for the JEM/Hurricane/Goulds trails? Is there enough to make it a full day (6 hours or so)? Or would it be good just doing a portion for 1-2 hours after Gooseberry.


    Another question.....I see it's raining today and rain in the forecast for Thursday. Will trails be okay on Friday? Saturday? Any trails particularly bad with drainage that we should stay away from?
    Thanks for asking.....

    I just walked in from six hours on Little Creek... The Outter Loop will be to wet to ride and the inner loops are getting there quick.

    Gooseberry should be ok to ride (use common sense...) on Practice Loop, North Rim, Bowls and Ledges, South Rim and Yellow Trail. Personally I'd avoid Hidden Canyon and Gander. Getting to Gooseberry is going to be hit or miss based on what you're driving.

    JEM/Hurricane Rim/Goulds should be ridable if you do the following:

    Stay off upper JEM (Upper JEM Trailhead accessed from HWY 59) between Trailhead and Sheeps bridge road and the Upper Goulds. (Between Sheepsbridge/Cattle Pen and HWY 59). You can put together a nice loop starting at Lower JEM and then taking Hurricane Rim to Goulds and Goulds to the Cattle Pen. at this point take a left and follow the dirt road north, cross HWY 59 and follow the dirt road and pick up the lower JEM on your left.

    This will cut about six or seven miles off your total ride of 24 or so, but preserve our trails. If you're making ruts please discontinue your rides and turn back.

    Hope this helps.

    BTW.. Consider Barrel Roll and Sidewinder and the Rim System out in Santa Clara and also Prospector and Church Rocks with an extension to Dino Tracks which is a bit sandy and is great during or after it rains.
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    How late in the year can you ride out there. I'll be in the area over Thanksgiving and was thinking of bringing my bike. I'm guessing a lot will depend on the weather but if it hasn't snowed/rained in a week and temps are above 45 are some of the trails in the area still rideable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by badbietz View Post
    How late in the year can you ride out there. I'll be in the area over Thanksgiving and was thinking of bringing my bike. I'm guessing a lot will depend on the weather but if it hasn't snowed/rained in a week and temps are above 45 are some of the trails in the area still rideable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by badbietz View Post
    How late in the year can you ride out there. I'll be in the area over Thanksgiving and was thinking of bringing my bike. I'm guessing a lot will depend on the weather but if it hasn't snowed/rained in a week and temps are above 45 are some of the trails in the area still rideable?
    Our riding areas here isn't St George vary greatly. We've had super nice late November riding and we've has absolute shite so its luck of the draw.

    West of town we have Santa Clara which is much lower and typically warmer and the soil dries faster (excluding Bearclaw Poppy). The Prospector/Churchrocks loop is nearly always ridable unless we have had many, many days of rain and if its to wet to ride you are pretty much screwed everywhere else.

    The Mesa's, Gooseberry and Little Creek are unique in a couple of ways. Gooseberry dries quicker but the road into it can be a challenge even for a 4WD at times. agressive 4WD use to gain access just fu#ks the road up to no end for those nice enough to wait a for it to dry a lttle. Basically if you can get TO Goose you can ride it. Hidden Canyon is the slowest trail to dry.

    Little Creek has a better road into it but it is the slowest of any of the trail systems here to dry as it is high (5300') and most of the dirt portions are shaded and/or face north so they are very slow to dry. Additionally it is difficult to navigate and the chances of you getting off route and causing trail damage are high.

    Best plan is to ask a local who rides here day in and day out or a bike shop (Zion Cyles, Over the Edge, Red Rock are all excellent choices). We'll be honest and give yu some options of what trails are going to offer you good rides with minimal impact on the trails systems.

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    I stopped last Friday on the way to Vegas and rode Gooseberry for the first time it was great. Glad I didn't let the weather underground talk me out of it Thursday showed 40% rain, cloudy and cold for Friday. I had blue skies and views forever. Rode Santa Clara on the way home barrel roll and sidewinder fun quick trails and back on the road. I look forward to sampling more on the next trip.

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    Any suggestions for a decent campsite near the most number of worthy trails (we are pretty good riders who like technical stuff)? We are looking at the last week of Nov and would like to find something central (with showers). I've never ridden the St George/Hurricane area and we've got 3 days there - any info would be appreciated!

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    bump ....also for camping w rv in st george thanksgiving week

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    bump ....also for camping w rv in st george thanksgiving week
    Zion River Resort in Virgin - RV Camping

    Quail Creek State Park - Tent and RV camping
    Sand Hollow State Park - Tent and RV camping
    The Willows RV Park in Hurricane - RV camping
    Snow Canyon State Park - RV and Tent as well IIRC
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    I'm coming down to St. George sometime after Thanksgiving from Kodiak, Alaska, will have to rent a bike. I want to thank you for all this info it's making my trip so much easier to plan. I will probably end up using that shuttle service and I was wondering if there's anybody out there that might want to show me around St. George trails.

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    I usually camp right on Gooseberry Mesa about 1 mile from the trail head, past the bathroom to the left. Much of the mesa is open to camping. That's the ONLY modern convenience on the mesa, other than maps. But I'm always there in spring or autumn.
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    Gotta do Guacamole when you're there. We passed through Hurricane Thanksgiving week and rode the Goose which is awesome, but didn't get a chance to ride Guacamole. We get home and there's a killer review on FatCyclist about it; can't wait to get back!
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    Guacamole is basically "Gooseberry Lite", taste great but less filling.
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    Bumped a St. George thread cause I was blind to this sticky. I guess this is the thread for the info I seek.

    How are are Virgin and Grafton? I'm coming down for work tonight. I would like to bring some others and get some time in the saddle. According to weather reports, all should be well this week. Just making sure I'm not missing anything.

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    Okay, I may be flying solo now. However, I'm pretty set on doing a Dig it/Grafton Mesa ride. If any Southerners want to hook up and ride Grafton for sure, and maybe session Red Bull a bit as well, shoot me a pm.

    Not sure what condition Flying Monkey is in. I have heard rough shape the past few seasons. I would be okay with that as well if it is ridable.

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    Utah Trip

    I need some help with a little Utah trip I’m planning. A group of us are planning a trip to SW Utah late Sept-early Oct. but none of us have been before so the trails will be new to us. We will have a full 3 days of riding and the only thing we know for sure is we want to hit up Gooseberry Mesa other than that we’re pretty open to suggestions? My thought is, maybe do 2 days in the Hurricane area then hit Brianhead area for a day…or maybe the other way around. We’re looking for about 20-30 miles a day, and we all have an XC background so we’re not opposed to some climbing when the decent is worth it. We’re hoping to get some technical trail/all-mountain stuff and some good flowy stuff.

    So here’s my questions:
    If you had never ridden Utah and you had 3 full days of riding (planning to do 20-30 miles a day) and you didn’t mind driving about 45 minutes to get somewhere what would your 3 best days be…St.G/Zion/Brian head/Gooseberry? It doesn’t have to be a 20-30 mile loop…it could be a 10-15 mile loop, back the vehicles for some lunch then back out for a different 10-15 mile loop (or out and back)

    Some places that I’ve noted are Gooseberry, Little Creek mtn, Bearclaw Poppy, and Thunder Mountain but since we’ve never been I’m simply going off trail reviews.

    Thanks for any help you can provide,
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    Quote Originally Posted by james_95 View Post
    I need some help with a little Utah trip I’m planning. A group of us are planning a trip to SW Utah late Sept-early Oct. but none of us have been before so the trails will be new to us. We will have a full 3 days of riding and the only thing we know for sure is we want to hit up Gooseberry Mesa other than that we’re pretty open to suggestions? My thought is, maybe do 2 days in the Hurricane area then hit Brianhead area for a day…or maybe the other way around. We’re looking for about 20-30 miles a day, and we all have an XC background so we’re not opposed to some climbing when the decent is worth it. We’re hoping to get some technical trail/all-mountain stuff and some good flowy stuff.

    So here’s my questions:
    If you had never ridden Utah and you had 3 full days of riding (planning to do 20-30 miles a day) and you didn’t mind driving about 45 minutes to get somewhere what would your 3 best days be…St.G/Zion/Brian head/Gooseberry? It doesn’t have to be a 20-30 mile loop…it could be a 10-15 mile loop, back the vehicles for some lunch then back out for a different 10-15 mile loop (or out and back)

    Some places that I’ve noted are Gooseberry, Little Creek mtn, Bearclaw Poppy, and Thunder Mountain but since we’ve never been I’m simply going off trail reviews.

    Thanks for any help you can provide,
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    Ur thinking pretty good on this. Lots of options on stuff to do. Two days in Hurricane would work and one day up near Brian head would work.


    Loop Gooseberry and possibly add gander to Grafton makes for an epic day.

    Consider Little creek the next day if you want more mesa slickrock or head to STG and do all the intown short loops. You could bust out Zen, barrel ride, bearclaw poppy(do stucki and end on BCP), Barrel roll paradise etc in a full day of riding. No wusses!

    The leaves tend to peak last week of September-first week of October up near brian head so it would be sure pretty riding off the peak. Either doing some awesome shuttling down Bunker creek, Dark hollow and Blow Hard in a day or doing an epic point to point on VRRT. All require a shuttle or some major climbing and riding pavement would be involved all around 9000

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    shelbster, which would you say is better riding for day 2..STG or Little Creek? Would it be best to stay in Hurricane for the and drive to STG and/or Brianhead or should we stay in Brianhead and/or STG on the days that we plan to ride there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by james_95 View Post
    shelbster, which would you say is better riding for day 2..STG or Little Creek? Would it be best to stay in Hurricane for the and drive to STG and/or Brianhead or should we stay in Brianhead and/or STG on the days that we plan to ride there?

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    Little creek or STG. Depends. LC is a blast but good or bad offers the same style of riding as your previous day on Gooseberry just with less hero moves up and down stuff. Slickrock with interconnecting singletrack upon a mostly flat mesa. Views are still an ugly shade of "Ooh", "Ah" and "Beautiful". Make the call after you ride the Goose. Another day of this or some variety? I was suggesting some variety. STG trails would be mixing everything together. Either way you'll have fun and won't regret it.

    If you do LC. Do the outer loop. It will take most the day of goofing off and gandering and could possibly have time to ride jem in the pm when done.

    If you do STG. Ride Barrel Ride(not roll) then drop down and head up to Zen. 3-4 hours technical chunky riding with some good climb and descents.
    Refuel and head over to navajo drive to the bottom of BCP and ride stucki springs as CCW loop and return back to car. get gps files from utahmountainbiking.com for fast roller coaster riding
    In the lader part of the day head over to santa clara preserve and do barrel roll w/ sidewinder and if you want more do the rim loops SW of barrel roll.
    If your super hero and want more do churchrocks w/ prospector or paradise for some Moab flavor riding.

    You can drive up from STG or Hurricane to Brian Head and knock out a full day of riding and head back down when done. I do it no Problem. I've left and done either VRRT or Brian head peak rides and been home by dark. Count on 1 1/2 hours to drive there. If your return trip home is north I'd stay in Cedar city or BH, If your heading towards vegas you would be fine staying in STG/Hurricane.

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    One more thing to consider:
    I should also mention Grafton Mesa for some chunk. Its chunky but boy is it killer. 5-6in trail bikes handle just fine if you do all the upper loops on top of the mesa. the descent off to the valley floor can be a little rough if ur on a trail bike and requires a lot of climbing to get back up. I usually bring the trail bike and stay on top. OTE sports in hurricane can point you the right way.

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    Hi guys,

    Landscapes looks amazing around STG and we want to hit some trails during a weekend.
    Do you think I can ride these trails (Barrel Ride, Zen, Gooseberry ...) with my hardtail ? (Cannondale trail SL2)

    Thanks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxone View Post
    Hi guys,

    Landscapes looks amazing around STG and we want to hit some trails during a weekend.
    Do you think I can ride these trails (Barrel Ride, Zen, Gooseberry ...) with my hardtail ? (Cannondale trail SL2)

    Thanks !
    As long as you have a healthy back, sure! Goosberry isn't chunky rocky, it's masses of rocks with steps and tech moves by the second. Main thing to remember about Gooseberry is the road in, if there's been a lot of rain it's not drivevable, but that's NOT the case.
    If you can find some at Goose to help you find Little Creek it's well worth it, personally I like to ride it first as it's easier and helpful in teaching how to ride the slickrock.
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    Thank you for the advice

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    I am going to be visiting Las Vegas in March. My plan is to fly into Vegas a few days early so I can get some saddle time in. I've been looking at trails in the area (Cotton Wood, Bootleg, and St. George) and I was wondering if it would be worth the drive (Vegas to St. George) to ride Zen, Green Valley, and other trails in that particular area? I haven't made any hotel reservations or solid plans yet so I could rent a car, drive to St. George, rent a bike, and be ready to ride the next day. Bringing all my gear with me. Any suggestions would be helpful.

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    I'd do one day at Gooseberry, 1 day on the JEM/Hurricane Mesa/Goulds Loop and 1 day at Church Rocks/Prospector in StG....then 1 day at Thunder Mtn!!

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    Thanks K2rider. Are the trails pretty easy to navigate? I'll probably only get two days of riding in before I have to be in Vegas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rghyland View Post
    Thanks K2rider. Are the trails pretty easy to navigate? I'll probably only get two days of riding in before I have to be in Vegas.


    Your rides will be totally dependent on the weather and trail conditions. thunder MTn will be under two to four feet of snow in March so scratch that one.

    Basically, a couple of days before your trip check back and we'll tell you where you should go. Make sense?
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    Yep! Thanks!

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    Rain.

    If there is much rain I would aviod the JEM Goulds area. The clay surface does not handle water well and you will leave lots of ruts. Goose handles water pretty well except for the access road. Any signifigant rain/snow (yes its snow on goose) can leave it impassable to anything but high clearance 4x4. Call ote sport is hurricane when its only a couple days out and they will give you the beta on where your good to ride and where you should avoid;
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    Does OTE rent bikes?

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    Yep, the trails I listed are easy to navigate....especially the JEM and Hurricane Rim trails/loop. You can ride to them straight from STT's rental as well The signage out there is pretty good.

    OTE does rent bikes. I rented a bike for my son from them last April (from SlowerThenSnot)

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    Cool! I appreciate all the good info.

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    Trail conditions check for this weekend!

    How is the road to gooseberry? Did you guys get any moisture last night.

    Also how are Zen/Bear Claw/Barrels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRIDE View Post
    Trail conditions check for this weekend!

    How is the road to gooseberry? Did you guys get any moisture last night.

    Also how are Zen/Bear Claw/Barrels?
    road is a bit sloppy, but not too bad

    zen, claw ect should all be fine this weekend
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot View Post
    road is a bit sloppy, but not too bad

    zen, claw ect should all be fine this weekend
    Think the road is good enough to get a RWD van back there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRIDE View Post
    Think the road is good enough to get a RWD van back there?
    Might give a ring to the guys at OTE on that one.... or a better question is how much do you like your van?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRIDE View Post
    Trail conditions check for this weekend!

    How is the road to gooseberry? Did you guys get any moisture last night.

    Also how are Zen/Bear Claw/Barrels?
    Everything except Little Creek is pretty nice, please stay off Litte Creek, it's muddy,

    Road to Goose is 2WD accessable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot View Post
    Might give a ring to the guys at OTE on that one.... or a better question is how much do you like your van?
    The van is blue.. but the undercarriage is "custom Moab red." It's a tool, not a show vehicle.

    Luckily I've got another friend w/a Subaru coming. Just hope he can pull me out if I get stuck.

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    Any recommendations on primitive camping around St. G? Usually stay up on Goose or in Springdale, but wouldn't mind being a bit lower this weekend....is there any cool place to park a couple of trucks and chill out for a long weekend of riding? Planning on spending a lot of time around Green Valley Gap....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor Lord of Thunder View Post
    Any recommendations on primitive camping around St. G? Usually stay up on Goose or in Springdale, but wouldn't mind being a bit lower this weekend....is there any cool place to park a couple of trucks and chill out for a long weekend of riding? Planning on spending a lot of time around Green Valley Gap....
    Nothing truly amazing in STG compared to the Goose.

    People seem to camp around "the Gap" even more towards zen trail(Turn left once you drive down into the gap for about a mile till you hit the lower bailout of zen) This would be towards Moe's valley and you could boulder when not riding. Not sure on status though I always see a tent or two. I believe its State Trust Land.

    You could always drive out past bear claw poppy off of Navajo Dr. in Bloomington a few miles but don't know of any stellar primitive camping in town.

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    Thanks for the info....yeah, never have found a great spot for camping around St. G. Goose is the place to go. Heading down with a buddy tomorrow. If anyone is up for a ride this weekend give me a holler....I'm the guy on the purple Bottlerocket.

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    Heading down with some people this weekend. I see snow in the forecast tomorrow. I switched a ski trip, planned for this weekend, in favor of a bike vacation due to lack of snow... and it may bite me now that the date has arrived.

    Anyone care to keep us posted on conditions after tomorrow's storm and heading into the weekend? Especially Grafton and the higher trails.

    This could suck if I switch good snow for bad biking... or this could prove how awesome Utah is if I get to ski 10" of fresh tomorrow followed by biking tacky goodness a few days later. Fingers are crossed hoping the snow doesn't stick down south.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roguebuilder View Post
    Heading down with some people this weekend. I see snow in the forecast tomorrow. I switched a ski trip, planned for this weekend, in favor of a bike vacation due to lack of snow... and it may bite me now that the date has arrived.

    Anyone care to keep us posted on conditions after tomorrow's storm and heading into the weekend? Especially Grafton and the higher trails.

    This could suck if I switch good snow for bad biking... or this could prove how awesome Utah is if I get to ski 10" of fresh tomorrow followed by biking tacky goodness a few days later. Fingers are crossed hoping the snow doesn't stick down south.

    We usually post up trail conditions promptly...don't see why that will change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roguebuilder View Post
    Heading down with some people this weekend. I see snow in the forecast tomorrow. I switched a ski trip, planned for this weekend, in favor of a bike vacation due to lack of snow... and it may bite me now that the date has arrived.

    Anyone care to keep us posted on conditions after tomorrow's storm and heading into the weekend? Especially Grafton and the higher trails.

    This could suck if I switch good snow for bad biking... or this could prove how awesome Utah is if I get to ski 10" of fresh tomorrow followed by biking tacky goodness a few days later. Fingers are crossed hoping the snow doesn't stick down south.
    No way St George and it's many trails are snowed in. Gooseberry access might be limited to riding in. I love powder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abegold View Post
    No way St George and it's many trails are snowed in. Gooseberry access might be limited to riding in. I love powder.

    Snowed down to 4000 feet last night and rained everywhere else.

    Gooseberry will most likely dry out by the weekend and the road in should be ok to good.

    Little Creek will need another two weeks to dry out. I was up there Sunday doing recon and and it was muddy and needed five to ten days more dry time, especially the "big loop". This additional snow will push back the "ok to ride" date will into March.
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    STT: thanks for the updates. They are greatly appreciated by many of us.

    The storm up North made for some very very good skiing today. Although there is a bit of related travel... I love living in a state where I can get face shots all day long at the Bird, and then head south for the biking equivalent in the same week.

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    The weekend was very nice. We spent Friday and Saturday lapping Grafton and Flying Monkey. This was my first time fist fighting the Monkey. What a crazy fun trail. Two of us finished off Saturday evening with a Red Bull session.

    Over all the weather was just about perfect (high 50's) minus some wind on Friday. The roads were dry and the trail dirt was good thanks to the moisture earlier in the week. Not sure about St. George proper; but, out past Hurricane... it's pretty good right now.

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    Headed down there tomorrow night. What are the conditions on Goose and Little Creek?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB_TDI View Post
    Headed down there tomorrow night. What are the conditions on Goose and Little Creek?
    How was it? If you're there now can I get a weather update? Will be up there in a few days to a week.

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    What day you getting into town wakebrdr142? I'm arriving on the 23rd in the afternoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rghyland View Post
    What day you getting into town wakebrdr142? I'm arriving on the 23rd in the afternoon.
    Not sure yet. Trying to plan the trip out and I have 12 days to burn, solo. I just know I'm going to Sedona, Gooseberry, and Moab. No order decided yet but I'm leaving Tucson on Weds.

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    I'm solo. If you get into Hurricane this coming weekend and want someone to ride with post up and I'll be watching to forum. I'm riding Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

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    Trails were great. It rained a bit after we left but they should be good to go.
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    Going to be in Hurricane for one full day April 2nd. I figured gooseberry mesa is a must ride if I had to pick anything out there. Looking for the best/most fun way to ride the mesa. My wife and I like going fast and riding technical stuff, we don't mind climbing but only to ride fun trails. Which way should we go? Which trail head should we start from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdamschen View Post
    Going to be in Hurricane for one full day April 2nd. I figured gooseberry mesa is a must ride if I had to pick anything out there. Looking for the best/most fun way to ride the mesa. My wife and I like going fast and riding technical stuff, we don't mind climbing but only to ride fun trails. Which way should we go? Which trail head should we start from?
    I rode Windmill trail and it was fun. Great view, too. Next time I'm hitting up the North Rim and South Rim.

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    Start at the main trailhead and head south and ride the entire South Rim Trail but detour down and back up Hidden Trail before finishing the South Rim. Then hit Yellow Trail and Bowls and Ledges on the way back to the trail head. If you wish to really get more tech head to Grafton Mesa, off Gooseberry's northeastern end, a very tech trail that heads down towards Springdale.
    Don't miss Little Creek Mesa, damn near as fun as Gooseberry but a little easier ride but harder to find.
    Zen Trail is a blast, too, harder climbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdamschen View Post
    Going to be in Hurricane for one full day April 2nd. I figured gooseberry mesa is a must ride if I had to pick anything out there. Looking for the best/most fun way to ride the mesa. My wife and I like going fast and riding technical stuff, we don't mind climbing but only to ride fun trails. Which way should we go? Which trail head should we start from?

    I would park at the Pit Toilet.

    Head west on the White Road to the Cattle Crossing make a left and take Cattle Grate trail heading south out of the parking area.
    This will basically become the South Rim Trail

    You will come to an interection this is where Hidden Canyon Trail goes right (north) and South Rim continues.... take Hidden Canyon.

    Hidden Canyon ends at the White Road (White Road bisects the mesa from East to West) take a right (east).

    You will almost immedtately come to the Connector Trail on your left. Take it to the North Rim Trail and go left or west on North Rim.

    This section of the North Rim ends at ......you guessed it... the White Road. Go right and about 100 feet on your left you will see the Yellow Trail...take it. It is a little 1/2 mile fun detour around the sand pit on the White Road. When you get back on the White Road take it left or west all the way out to the Point. Enjoy the killer view and a snack.

    Now come back from the Point and you will see the South Rim Trail on your right. Take it and you will eventually end up back at the Hidden Canyon junction again..... Bummer... you get to do Hidden Canyon again! LOL!!!

    This time when at the North Rim go EAST or right and follow North Rim to Bowls and Ledges to the Windmill Trail which will eventually dump you into the Windmill parking lot. Head East out of the parking lot and take a right on teh main road and in about ten minutes you will arrive back at your car.

    This is a big day, be warned. IIRC it's 20 miles, but it will seem like double that because Gooseberry is Hammer, coast, spin...all day long. You don;t get to rest all that much or set a steady pace.


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    Awesome day riding with Quinton from Over the Edge Sports in Hurricane, not to mention the other great folks that I rode with today. If you get to Hurricane, stop by this shop. Top notch!


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    Quote Originally Posted by bdamschen View Post
    Going to be in Hurricane for one full day April 2nd. I figured gooseberry mesa is a must ride if I had to pick anything out there. Looking for the best/most fun way to ride the mesa. My wife and I like going fast and riding technical stuff, we don't mind climbing but only to ride fun trails. Which way should we go? Which trail head should we start from?
    The best advice I can give you is hire Monte (STT GUY) to guide you. Goose is a 'must do' but there's not alot of going fast and if you try to do it in the wrong place, you'll find yourself dropping several hundred feet. Have fun!!

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    Gooseberry can be ridden without a guide. All trails are marked very well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rghyland View Post
    Gooseberry can be ridden without a guide. All trails are marked very well.


    I just want to ride.
    Is this a full day of riding? Any other fun trails in the area we should check out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdamschen View Post
    Is this a full day of riding? Any other fun trails in the area we should check out?
    Hey Mr. bdamschen,

    Here is the info:

    1. First question that is asked the most is "what to ride."
    The trails in this Corner of the state can be broken down into two different areas, Hurricane riding and St. George riding. For the most part the two towns can be as close as 20 minutes to around and hour to get from one town to another depending on where you are coming from. So I would plan trails down to riding in one area at a time. Ride Hurricane for a day or two and then ride STG and vise versa. The Trails I would suggest are in my mind how I would do it. Not counting beginner or advanced in this list but more as an all around most riders best choice options.

    Hurricane area:

    -Gooseberry mesa: Technical Slickrock riding and is a must do.

    -Little Creek Mesa: More great slickrock riding but tough to navigate and not well marked yet so not for people that can get turned around easily.

    -Jem/Hurricane Rim/Goulds loop: Can be broken into shorter parts/loops or done as a large loop but is great and is mostly buff singletrack

    -Guacamole: Similar to Gooseberry riding but a mini/shorter version of it.

    -Grafton Mesa: Technical Chunky Singletrack. Appeals more to the all mountain/DH bike type of riding. Best done shuttled

    -Babylon/Little Purgatory: The trail is actually in Leeds but is in between the 2 towns. Technical singltrack with some climbing and some good descending. Not for beginners


    St. George Riding.

    -Zen Trail: Technical Singletrack with a good amount of climbing and descending. More for intermediate and advanced riders. Must do trail. loop

    -Barrel Ride: right next door to Zen and is very similar riding. More technical but does have several jumps/drops, most have alt lines/ride arounds. loop

    -Green valley loop/Bear claw Poppy/Stucki Springs: Classic mountain bike trail that can be done several different ways from. All different riders from beginner to advanced. 99% dirt singletrack with short ups and downs similar to a rollercoaster.

    -Icehouse/Broken Mesa: Longer loop options or shuttled. Technical singletrack from buff to chunky and technical. Mostly gradual climb and descent but has a steep final descent off mesa that would be difficult for begenners. Like Jem trail but with more vertical feet lost.

    -Santa Clara river Preserve Trails:
    Barrel Roll, Sidewinder, Rim rocks, Anazasi trail: Great XC style singletrack. Lots of loop options. All levels of riding. Trail is dirt/rock

    -Church rocks/Prospector trail/Dino cliffs: Moab style riding on Red slickrock and singletrack. Great for all riders. short and longer loops. XC and technical riding.

    -Paradise Canyon/turtle wall/chuckawalla: More Moab style Red rock riding. Mostly singletrack but does have small areas of slickrock and technical riding. Great for all levels and in town riding. Has some advanced/short drops in areas.


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    Rainbow Rim on the north Rim of the Grand Canyon is special. Locust Point in the trails center is a good camping spot. Much of the riding is simply in pine forest hills till the views spots. Usually doesn't open till 4/15, check USFS as it's been dry. East Rim is even better riding, higher elevation, aspens/spruce/fir forest.
    There's also the northernmost section of the AZ Trail from Jacob Lake to Utah, if you can set up a shuttle, pretty big descent.
    Page's Rimview Trail is fun.
    Thunder Mountain is great, if open. Very special trail with hoodoos, close and similar to Bryce NP.
    Many Utah trails can be researched on utahmountainbiking.com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abegold View Post
    Rainbow Rim on the north Rim of the Grand Canyon is special. Locust Point in the trails center is a good camping spot. Much of the riding is simply in pine forest hills till the views spots. Usually doesn't open till 4/15, check USFS as it's been dry. East Rim is even better riding, higher elevation, aspens/spruce/fir forest.
    There's also the northernmost section of the AZ Trail from Jacob Lake to Utah, if you can set up a shuttle, pretty big descent.
    Page's Rimview Trail is fun.
    Thunder Mountain is great, if open. Very special trail with hoodoos, close and similar to Bryce NP.
    Many Utah trails can be researched on utahmountainbiking.com.

    All of those trails (excluding the one in Page, which IMO is cnot worth making a special trip to) are very weather dependent and I wouldn't bet on any of them in the spring. Could you get lucky...absolutely, but you could also get rain/snowed out or end up riding on muddy trails which is a bummer.

    Best plan is an open plan. Check the forecast a few days out and then decide. As a guide that's what I try to encourage clients to do. Its a vacation, be flexible and we'll always find some kick a$$ riding.
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    Going to st. George next week for a family funeral. Will be riding Wed thru sat if anyones around for a ride. Definitely want to ride Goosberry since its been 8-10 years.

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    next week, if you were only doing 2 rides in St. George, how about Barrel Ride & Zen? good as any two?
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    Yeah I'll probably ride those two trails plus the Santa Clara reserve and Gooseberry for sure.

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    Hi UTES, I am planning on Gooseberry this weekend April 20th...
    I am hoping to drive my rv small 24 footer to the windmill trailhead and park and stay along the wooden rail fence. Last time I was in the area I had ridden VRRT, then the entire Hurricane Rim trail so by the time I got to gooseberry I was worn out. So wanting to spend more time exploring the goose.
    Maybe hit the gas station for pizza again it was good eats.

    How is the weather and the road?

    thanks a lot
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    road is in pretty good shape, gonna be mid 80's this weekend
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    I rode Goose last night after work. The roads are a little rough from the rains we had last weekend, but you will be fine getting your RV back there. Weather is perfect!

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    What is accessable via a sedan VW jetta on dirt roads near Hurricane? Not willing to crack an oil pan for a bike ride.

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    You should be able to access just about everything in your Jetta. JEM, Gould's, Hurricane Rim. Even Gooseberry is fine. If the road seems too rough just park at the first turn off and ride the 3-4 miles to the trails. Totally worth those couple miles of biking the dirt road if that's what you have to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstaples View Post
    You should be able to access just about everything in your Jetta. JEM, Gould's, Hurricane Rim. Even Gooseberry is fine. If the road seems too rough just park at the first turn off and ride the 3-4 miles to the trails. Totally worth those couple miles of biking the dirt road if that's what you have to do.

    how's the drive to Little Creek? Weather have it dry enough to ride?

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    Haven't been to Little Creek since late March but it should be good to go. Most of these trails around here dry up in just a day or two after rain. That road is also doable in a Jetta if you don't drive like a maniac.

    I don't know how much riding you have done here, but I would be careful hitting Little Creek without someone who has done it before. It can be really confusing and people throw up cairns left and right that lead to nowhere.

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    Am I carzy to think about riding Hurricane area the last week of June? I'm used to hot weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outlierrn View Post
    Am I carzy to think about riding Hurricane area the last week of June? I'm used to hot weather.
    It should be toasty but if that's not to your liking head to Thunder Mountain (7000'-8200'), Virgin River Rim Trail (9,300'), Navajo Lake or Brianhead (11,301'). Some day I'll get to Fish Lake and the Mytoge Mtn singletrack. Skyline Drive again, someday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by outlierrn View Post
    Am I carzy to think about riding Hurricane area the last week of June? I'm used to hot weather.
    There's nothing crazy about riding here in the last week in June. You just have to get up early and beat the heat and make sure you drink "LOTS" of water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abegold View Post
    It should be toasty but if that's not to your liking head to Thunder Mountain (7000'-8200'), Virgin River Rim Trail (9,300'), Navajo Lake or Brianhead (11,301'). Some day I'll get to Fish Lake and the Mytoge Mtn singletrack. Skyline Drive again, someday.
    Thanks for the ideas. My plan was 2 days in hurricane and a day hiking in brice, but I may flip that, Thunder mtn looks like a sweet ride on youtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outlierrn View Post
    Thanks for the ideas. My plan was 2 days in hurricane and a day hiking in brice, but I may flip that, Thunder mtn looks like a sweet ride on youtube.
    No reason not to ride arund Hurricane... I ride Gooseberry and Little Creek June, July and August but I am on trail well before 7AM and finished by 10:30 latest. That's 3-1/2 hours of good quality riding time and Igenerally have the mesa(s) all to myself.

    Thunder MTN is nice but it alone is certainly not a full day worth of riding. It's a fairly short ride and I'm hitting it up tomorrow and will be doing two loops of it to make it worth the drive from Virgin for a day. An good alternative is ride Thunder MTN early and then go hike Bryce Canyon. We;ve done that several times and its a good day.

    The Virgin River Rim Trail is nice and can be done several different ways. We ride it from Strawberry point and do the loop around Navajo Lake (elevation is 9000 BTW, not 11,000+...) and back to Strawberry Point and that's a very solid ride. Or..... start at Cascade falls and do a complete loop of Navajo lake and then back to Cascade Falls and thats a dandy ride a well and will take you up close to 10,000.

    Rainbow Rim (North Rim of Grand Canyon) is sweet and you're flirting with 8000 feet most of the ride. We ride it as an out and back and the views of the Grand Canyon are pretty damn sweet.
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    Rode JEM in the morning and Hurricane Rim in the evening yesterday... will be saving Goulds for the next trip here. Great riding wonderful views puffy white Cotton clouds all day long. Love it here in Hurricane. Thanks SlowerthanSnot for the beer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post
    No reason not to ride arund Hurricane... I ride Gooseberry and Little Creek June, July and August but I am on trail well before 7AM and finished by 10:30 latest. That's 3-1/2 hours of good quality riding time and Igenerally have the mesa(s) all to myself.

    Thunder MTN is nice but it alone is certainly not a full day worth of riding. It's a fairly short ride and I'm hitting it up tomorrow and will be doing two loops of it to make it worth the drive from Virgin for a day. An good alternative is ride Thunder MTN early and then go hike Bryce Canyon. We;ve done that several times and its a good day.

    The Virgin River Rim Trail is nice and can be done several different ways. We ride it from Strawberry point and do the loop around Navajo Lake (elevation is 9000 BTW, not 11,000+...) and back to Strawberry Point and that's a very solid ride. Or..... start at Cascade falls and do a complete loop of Navajo lake and then back to Cascade Falls and thats a dandy ride a well and will take you up close to 10,000.

    Rainbow Rim (North Rim of Grand Canyon) is sweet and you're flirting with 8000 feet most of the ride. We ride it as an out and back and the views of the Grand Canyon are pretty damn sweet.
    Well, I work mostly evenings and nights, so 7AM click-ins are not really my thing, maybe by the end of my vacation, but not at the beginning. Plus I'll be rocking sea level lungs. I like the idea of a double loop of thunder mtn, Can you give me your recommendation for direction and acess pt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by outlierrn View Post
    Well, I work mostly evenings and nights, so 7AM click-ins are not really my thing, maybe by the end of my vacation, but not at the beginning. Plus I'll be rocking sea level lungs. I like the idea of a double loop of thunder mtn, Can you give me your recommendation for direction and acess pt?

    I park at the lower Red Canyon trailhead and ride up the paved bie trail to the Coyote trailheald dirtroad make a right and ride the dirt road to teh Coyote Hollow trailhead and then Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! x 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STT GUY View Post
    I park at the lower Red Canyon trailhead and ride up the paved bie trail to the Coyote trailheald dirtroad make a right and ride the dirt road to teh Coyote Hollow trailhead and then Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! x 2.
    sounds good, and thanks. What do recon the mileage and elevation gain?

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    My little car made it up to guacamole yesterday. It didn't like it and I would have turned around if there was that option. How is gooseberry in comparison?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yourideit View Post
    My little car made it up to guacamole yesterday. It didn't like it and I would have turned around if there was that option. How is gooseberry in comparison?
    The last 1/2mile of the road to Guacamole is much worst than anything on the way to Gooseberry.
    I passed an old school bus making its way up there last weekend, so I’m sure your little car will have no problem.
    Have a great ride.

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    Zen is a great fun flow for technical. Glad to see it on your list. I would do the JEM/Hurricane/Goulds as another ride after Goose - not enough to make a day of those.

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    Thinking of a Dad's MTB road trip from central coast of California to Gooseberry Mesa for a few days of riding. Plan is to dry camp in an RV along the road before reaching the parking lot. Due to family and kid sport commitments, we are looking at an early November time frame. I've read this entire thread (great info, thanks for making sticky, and thanks for all the great submissions), I understand the access is based on rain/snow. Understand that each year is different, but what are the general weather patterns for early November? Is rain/snow definitely likely? Or is dry but cold weather the norm? Thanks for the help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by got_beer View Post
    Thinking of a Dad's MTB road trip from central coast of California to Gooseberry Mesa for a few days of riding. Plan is to dry camp in an RV along the road before reaching the parking lot. Due to family and kid sport commitments, we are looking at an early November time frame. I've read this entire thread (great info, thanks for making sticky, and thanks for all the great submissions), I understand the access is based on rain/snow. Understand that each year is different, but what are the general weather patterns for early November? Is rain/snow definitely likely? Or is dry but cold weather the norm? Thanks for the help.
    Generally the early Nov period is a great time to ride here. Our weather that time of year is typically mild temps and dry but nothing is guranteed. How big's the rig?
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    26 foot travel trailer pulled by 4x4 F350. I'll post up when the plans are settled. I would be honored to repay the insight and knowledge you have presented here through the offering of a delicious, cold, hoped beverage from our homeland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by got_beer View Post
    26 foot travel trailer pulled by 4x4 F350. I'll post up when the plans are settled. I would be honored to repay the insight and knowledge you have presented here through the offering of a delicious, cold, hoped beverage from our homeland.
    Sounds like a good time

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    Quote Originally Posted by got_beer View Post
    26 foot travel trailer pulled by 4x4 F350. I'll post up when the plans are settled. I would be honored to repay the insight and knowledge you have presented here through the offering of a delicious, cold, hoped beverage from our homeland.
    Thats a good set up for Goose and Little Creek camping. There are several good places on the road into goose where you can set up a trailer that size and have a nice camp.

    It doesn't take a helluvalot to get me to ride up on Goose PM me when your plans firm up.

    Couple more question? How long do you plan on being in the area and what are the ages and skill levels of the group?
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    "How long do you plan on being in the area and what are the ages and skill levels of the group?"

    Debating between 2-3 days on the Mesa. How far away are some of the other trails discussed in this thread (can we reasonably keep base camp here and day trip out to some other rides?). Duration has not yet been decided, we can be convinced to stay.

    Skill levels are advanced; we don't huck cliffs, but we ride regular, have equipped all-mountain/trail bikes, and are comfortable with technical trials. More important, we know when to get off and walk. We call this exercising a different muscle group. Some of us are old farts, and the rest of us are on our way. Ages range from 40 to 56.

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    You will have no problem getting to any of the other trails from your base camp. You can get to just about every great trail in a little over 1hr drive time. That includes all the trails around St. George.
    Little Creek is a must ride and it's really close, about 45min away on dirt roads.
    You'll have a great time!
    Keep us posted when your going.

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    We're thinking about coming down for a trip in the Hurricane, St George area later this year. Reading about some of these trails is definitely feeding the stoke. Is there a good map for the area trails? Maybe something like a Latitude 40 style map?

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    Go here, The Skid Map
    or here, Utah Mountain Biking - Trails, Information, Repairs
    When you get here the LBS have great maps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwbikur View Post
    We're thinking about coming down for a trip in the Hurricane, St George area later this year. Reading about some of these trails is definitely feeding the stoke. Is there a good map for the area trails? Maybe something like a Latitude 40 style map?
    Hi nwbikur,

    We've enjoyed two wonderful week long vacations using this website for all needed information:
    Utah Mountain Biking - Trails, Information, Repairs

    You can use that website to purchase the following paper map we carried on all our rides. We bought it at one of the local bike shops in St. George:
    AdventureMaps.net TrailMap of St. George, Hurricane & Springdale, UT
    St George and Springdale UT Trail Adventure Map and Guide- Mountain Biking, Hiking

    We can't wait to go back for another wonderful dose of all the great trails they offer!

    Enjoy your trip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock dude View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelsnead View Post
    Hi nwbikur,

    We've enjoyed two wonderful week long vacations using this website for all needed information:
    Utah Mountain Biking - Trails, Information, Repairs

    You can use that website to purchase the following paper map we carried on all our rides. We bought it at one of the local bike shops in St. George:
    AdventureMaps.net TrailMap of St. George, Hurricane & Springdale, UT
    St George and Springdale UT Trail Adventure Map and Guide- Mountain Biking, Hiking

    We can't wait to go back for another wonderful dose of all the great trails they offer!

    Enjoy your trip!

    Michael
    These look like great resources. Thanks guys. Can't wait to ride these trails. We do Moab a lot but I'm looking forward to changing things up this year.

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    I'll be in George for two nights. Hoping to get a ride in at Grafton tomorrow (Friday) on my way back from doing business in the park.

    Any takers? PM me with a Phone# if you'd like to shuttle Grafton tomorrow evening... weather pending. I'll do it solo as a loop if I don't get any takers... which is a blast on a Demo 7 set up 1x9.

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    ^^^ It is time to work in George again. I should be there Tuesday through Friday. I'd like to squeeze some riding in Wed or Thurs late afternoon. Due to owning only 1 bike, I typically stray away from the pedal trails. Grafton and Flying Monkey are favorites of mine.

    PM with a phone # if you'd like to shuttle something.

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    Good Beginner / Kid Friendly Rides??

    Was planning on going to Moab this weekend, but looks like we will travel Southwest instead, since it looks to be 15F warmer on the weekend. I have been out to St. George / Hurricane a couple of times before, I rode a lot of trails, but it has been several years ago, and I only remember a couple of names (JEM, Bearclaw, C Trail, GB Mesa, Red Canyon). But now I will have the family with me, and looking for some good trails to try with them. My kids are young (2 and 4), but we are lucky to have singletrack out the back door, so they ride a lot.

    But are JEM and Bearclaw some good rides to take them on? Anything else that would be better? Any advice would be really appreciated.

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    2 is pretty young. I assume you are riding with a trailer and or tag along bike?

    Bear Claw poppy and the Jem are probably your best options for Dirt trails. The bottom couple miles of BCP are pretty wide and bike trailer friendly. The Jem climbs a dirt road that would be good, but the single track is twisty and narrow and probably less then ideal for a trailer.

    With kids that young I think the paved bike paths in st George are a better option. Then you can hit the trails after and ride whatever you want.
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    Thanks for the reply.

    Yeah, the two year old will mostly be in an iBert (steerer tube mounted seat), but I'll strap his Strider bike to my pack, and my daughter will be in my custom made towing system on the uphills, and ride by herself on the downhills. If you know the Round Valley trails of Park City, we have ridden all of these in this configuration, and others in Fruita / Crested Butte / Moab, etc. My kids get bored with asphalt, and we ride singletrack a lot (2-3 times a week), so we aren't the average tourist bikers. I just want some smooth, buff and flowy trails for them to ride. But we have three days, and would like to find another trail that we could all ride.

    Then I was looking to Rhythm and Blue and Zen trail when I get some me time. Any other suggestions for some quick 1-2 hour advanced loops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    Was planning on going to Moab this weekend, but looks like we will travel Southwest instead, since it looks to be 15F warmer on the weekend. I have been out to St. George / Hurricane a couple of times before, I rode a lot of trails, but it has been several years ago, and I only remember a couple of names (JEM, Bearclaw, C Trail, GB Mesa, Red Canyon). But now I will have the family with me, and looking for some good trails to try with them. My kids are young (2 and 4), but we are lucky to have singletrack out the back door, so they ride a lot.

    But are JEM and Bearclaw some good rides to take them on? Anything else that would be better? Any advice would be really appreciated.

    Thanks - BS
    If you decide to ride in Cedar City, Three Peaks has a great 6 mile loop that will be easy on the kids with not a lot of climbing. If you do come there PM me and I'll tell you which loops to do.

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    Zen, Barrell Trail, Barrell Roll, Hurricane Rim, Church Rocks Broken Mesa

    There is so much good trail in st george its actually quite difficult to find a bad ride. Check out Utah Mountain Biking - Trails, Information, Repairs pick somewhere and ride. list above is just a few of my fav;s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalfaraway View Post
    Zen, Barrell Trail, Barrell Roll, Hurricane Rim, Church Rocks Broken Mesa

    There is so much good trail in st george its actually quite difficult to find a bad ride. Check out Utah Mountain Biking - Trails, Information, Repairs pick somewhere and ride. list above is just a few of my fav;s.
    If you only had time to do two advanced/technical rides, which ones would you choose? I read the UtahMB.com page, but it makes all rides sound good (which is kind of what you said above). But I figure I can get out on Friday and Saturday while the wife and kids are playing splash / splash at the hotel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    If you only had time to do two advanced/technical rides, which ones would you choose? I read the UtahMB.com page, but it makes all rides sound good (which is kind of what you said above). But I figure I can get out on Friday and Saturday while the wife and kids are playing splash / splash at the hotel.

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    1. Zen, Climb the race course to the Barrell Trail, Ride down Bear Claw, then take the road return or Climb back up the BCP. 2-3 hours

    2. Barrell Roll with Sidewinder etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    If you only had time to do two advanced/technical rides, which ones would you choose? I read the UtahMB.com page, but it makes all rides sound good (which is kind of what you said above). But I figure I can get out on Friday and Saturday while the wife and kids are playing splash / splash at the hotel.

    Thanks again - BS
    Dos Mesa's. Climb race course up to "Barrel Ride" UMB calls it barrel trail odd... Down Barrel Ride and head over to Zen trail. A solid 3 hour ride.

    Barrel ride is such an awesome trail without even touching the features.

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    I'm curious too about the trails right now. I saw that there might have even been some snow? Is it worth coming down right now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by quiet451 View Post
    I'm curious too about the trails right now. I saw that there might have even been some snow? Is it worth coming down right now?
    Right now it's pretty damn dark.....

    Trails are good, come on down but bring some warm clothes for layering
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    Quote Originally Posted by quiet451 View Post
    I'm curious too about the trails right now. I saw that there might have even been some snow? Is it worth coming down right now?
    Hurricane had a flurry of hail in the AM yesterday, but it warmed up nicely by afternoon (mid 50s). I Rode Barrel down in St. George for a few hours yesterday and it was great weather. I wore some tights under my baggies and two loose, lightweight jerseys. I would have been fine without the tights.

    The rest of the week is supposed to be warmer - high 60s - and dry. Pretty much perfect riding weather.

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    Looking for an update on Gooseberry Mesa for a Thanksgiving day ride. Weather looks good but I thought I would check just to make sure.

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    I called a bike shop in Hurricane today, they said it's good to go.
    I think I will ride gooseberry and JEM on Thursday, Thunder Mountain on Friday.

    Hope to see some fellow rider up there !

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    Hurricane should be absolutely perfect this weekend. Too bad I will be spending my long weekend out of town at the in-laws.

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    Does anyone have a good GPS track of the Graphton DH? It looks like it is easy to get turned around on the top of the Mesa.

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    We are planning a trip to St. George/Hurricane the first week in March. We just happen to be taking down two vehicles with us. We are thinking a day or two of shuttle rides down there. What trails can be or "worth" shuttling down there? We know about Bearclaw Poppi, J.E.M trail, and Grafton. Any others we can shuttle? Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooverGiant View Post
    We are planning a trip to St. George/Hurricane the first week in March. We just happen to be taking down two vehicles with us. We are thinking a day or two of shuttle rides down there. What trails can be or "worth" shuttling down there? We know about Bearclaw Poppi, J.E.M trail, and Grafton. Any others we can shuttle? Thanks!
    Every trail I have ridden in the area are worth riding as loops. Only a few can be shuttled any save you much time or effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooverGiant View Post
    We are planning a trip to St. George/Hurricane the first week in March. We just happen to be taking down two vehicles with us. We are thinking a day or two of shuttle rides down there. What trails can be or "worth" shuttling down there? We know about Bearclaw Poppi, J.E.M trail, and Grafton. Any others we can shuttle? Thanks!
    Hey Mr. hooverGiant,

    We had a great time shuttling those three trails on 2 different trips to St. George. I haven't ridden the following and don't know how much gnar factor you're looking for but two famous shuttle runs there are Lunch Line & Flying Monkey. These videos should take your breath away and give you an idea of what awaits. The first is especially heart stopping:

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    Hurricane trip advice

    A goop of 6 of us coming from CO March 7-11, decided to change things up from the Moab trip and drive a little further. We have never been down there and done some research and just want to make sure we arent leaving something good out of this trip. We have 3 days to ride.

    Are camping at GB Mesa, wondering if anyone can direct me at the mesa to sweet camping spot for us prefereably with zion in the background. I have a PU truck towing a high clearance popup trailer? Do you camp in the valley or can I get on top? this is all assuming the road is good shape.

    Trails:
    Day 1: GB Mesa
    Day 2: Zen/Barrel Trail
    Day 3: Up in the air/suggustions? Prefer technical rides, maybe even able to shuttle a trail to get some good DH in but nothing too crazy

    Also, is there a prefered way to ride GB Mesa? see a few trials and trying to figure out the best look for technical stuff. Are some trails better one way or the other?

    Thanks, Brett
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    You can camp right on the mesa. Go to the bathroom, about 4 miles from the turnoff on to the mesa. From there I usually just go a short ways farther west or southwest to camp as almost anywhere is legal. But if you head north you'll have better Zion views.
    For a third day I'd suggest Little Creek Mountain, about 15 miles south but difficult to find so ask if anyone's headed there. Bringing your own fire wood is a good idea as most of the native wood has been burned already.
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    I live in SoCal but ride out here 3-4 times a year. My personal favorite is Little Creek Mesa which will be that Mesa to your south across the valley. The trailhead is not the easiest to find but the trails are well marked (at least I think so). We always hit up Gooseberry and the JEM Trail as well but I can honestly say that with the exception of Ice House in Grand Junction, there's nothing I don't like out there so you can't go wrong. We don't do the "shuttle thing" so I can't comment of those areas.

    As far as the post above regarding discrimination, I guess I'm missing something. Two people in our group have facial hair and that has never been an issue. Aside from some odd alcohol laws, Utah is just like any other state in the US. Don't worry about being discriminated against. The LDS population is over-whelmingly polite and respectful.

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    Abegold has no idea what he's talking about. Plenty of mormons with facial hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    Abegold has no idea what he's talking about. Plenty of mormons with facial hair.
    So obviously you've never had a gas station close at 10 am because you needed service for a muffler leak, then go across the street to get breakfast and not get waited on in 45 minutes or have a waitress tell you, "If you wanna have fun, go to Colorado" or ask someone at a trail head if you're at the trail head and the lady just turn her head and look away. Fortunately most of those events, except the last example were decades ago. The last one 5 years ago.
    But the waitress was correct, now I go to Colorado much more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkreyche View Post
    Trails:
    Day 1: GB Mesa
    Day 2: Zen/Barrel Trail
    Day 3: Up in the air/suggustions? Prefer technical rides, maybe even able to shuttle a trail to get some good DH in but nothing too crazy

    Also, is there a prefered way to ride GB Mesa? see a few trials and trying to figure out the best look for technical stuff. Are some trails better one way or the other?

    Thanks, Brett
    I would ride Zen / Barrel Trail / Bearclaw area the first day. Explore that and then head up to Hurricane to camp that night. If you are going to only ride GB one time my preferred loop is a figure eight.

    Start out at the South Rim, Turn right on Hidden Canyon, backtrack 250 yards on the road to get onto North Rim. Go Left on North Rim. Hit Yellow Trail. Go to The Point. Return via South Rim. Turn left to do Hidden Canyon again (yes, it is that good). Turn right at North Rim and finish up on North Rim and the Practice Loop. If you need some more stuff later in the evening you can go ride Windmill / Bowls and Ledges, Gander or Secret. Or you can explore some of the singletrack on Grafton Mesa.

    Day 3 head across the highway to Little Creek and spend the day there. If you can try to ride Little Creek with somebody who has been there before. It can be confusing but it is definitely worth being a little lost. Little Creek is basically unlimited stunts if you like that sort of thing. Its a 3,000 acre slickrock bike park.

    If you totally run out of stuff to ride with those options (you wont) you can head up to Virgin to ride Guacamole. You will knock out the whole trail in probably under 3 hours but it is a killer trail.

    I have heard people who have camped once at GB say they rode the trail in 2.5 hours and then they had nothing else to do. These people obviously didnt know how much trail is up there. You can connect GB to Grafton Mesa via Gander for probably a 60+ mile loop of uninterrupted technical singletrack. There is no reason to run out of stuff to ride. Add in LittleCreek and you have days and days of riding to do.

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    hey!! I've read through this entire thread and I still haven't found an answer to my question. Although I did find answers to questions I didn't even know I had.

    I am coming out later this week, planning on camping and I don't mind s[pending a bit of money on a place if I can get some nice creature comforts, like a hot shower, WiFi, pool/hot tub. Easy access to restaurants and bars, movie theaters, you know, stuff to do when I'm not riding my bike. Anyhow, I've seen some of the RV parks, I'll be tent camping, and they would suit my needs, just wondering if there are any you would recommend over any other, especially regarding location. Temple View in St George seems to be the best from the view I have, but hard to tell. Will St George be too far of a drive each day to get to the trail heads of various trails? Any other suggestions? I have a week to hang out and would like to ride every day.

    Thanks for any advice!!

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    Is there something special scheduled around Hurricane next weekend ? (03/23-24) ?
    There is no room available anywhere between St George and Hurricane.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by abegold View Post
    So obviously you've never had a gas station close at 10 am because you needed service for a muffler leak, then go across the street to get breakfast and not get waited on in 45 minutes or have a waitress tell you, "If you wanna have fun, go to Colorado" or ask someone at a trail head if you're at the trail head and the lady just turn her head and look away. Fortunately most of those events, except the last example were decades ago. The last one 5 years ago.
    But the waitress was correct, now I go to Colorado much more.
    You sir are a total moron. Better to keep your mouth closed and have others think you are an idiot than chime in and remove all doubt. You are incorrect about camping on Goose. It is limited to EXISTING SITES ONLY. Its aZZholes like you who rally out and make new spots everywhere that will ruin it for everyone else. Your comments about LDS are laughable and I'd giggle if I didn't know you were serious and such a misinformed goofball.
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    Anyone know where this trail is at that he is shredding. Looks like it is in St George by some radio/cell towers.

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    looks like something that "WASEA" guy probably built. just a guess
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    By Barrel Ride I think... Rode by last year.

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    Hi there, are there any good rides in the area the red bull rampage takes place?
    I mean, just normal CC Trails that go through that area?

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    Re: St. George/Hurricane Trip Planner

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeletor23 View Post
    Hi there, are there any good rides in the area the red bull rampage takes place?
    I mean, just normal CC Trails that go through that area?
    I think the closest would be the Jem Trail, and then probably Gould Trail.

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    I'm hoping to go next week with a 16 year old kid, an ankle broken on January 1st, and two squishy bikes (Trek F ex7 & 8). I'd like to ride something reasonably moderate (I have to stay in rather low gearing and still have some trouble standing up on the pedals). If I live through this I hope to hobble up Angel's Landing, and if that doesn't kill me, it is off to Moab.

    I'm thinking Guacamole first to test the waters. We want to avoid the heat of the day if possible.

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    I'll arrive tomorrow morning. Any advice?

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    Guacamole is very technical, and gets very hot during the day. If going there, plan to drive to the trailhead before sunrise. For moderately technical, I recommend Barrel Roll and Sidewinder. Very fun, some technical/challenging spots, and very fast and fun single track.

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    It's hot around St George for a few more weeks. Consider riding near cooler Cedar City. The Virgin River Rim Trail (VRRT) is tough with tons of climbing and views. Camping at Navajo Lake and the trails there are usually near freezing at sunrise but make for sweet afternoons and are easier. Then there's the big descents off Brianhead.
    Another place to consider is the Rainbow Rim Trail on the Grand Canyon's North Rim, about 8000'. Views are amazing, riding OK. Cool air drains into the canyon making summer camping mild in day and night.
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    Thanks for the help!

    I did manage to get some riding in, between the heat and then the tropical storm. I've still got a lot of recovery to do. I did some riding in/near Cayonlands and Moab as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightybrick View Post
    Guacamole is very technical, and gets very hot during the day. If going there, plan to drive to the trailhead before sunrise. For moderately technical, I recommend Barrel Roll and Sidewinder. Very fun, some technical/challenging spots, and very fast and fun single track.

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    Barrel Roll and Sidewinder are both ~1000' lower than Guac, so they most likely will always be warmer than Guac will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mightybrick View Post
    Guacamole is very technical, and gets very hot during the day. If going there, plan to drive to the trailhead before sunrise. For moderately technical, I recommend Barrel Roll and Sidewinder. Very fun, some technical/challenging spots, and very fast and fun single track.

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    The out and back and "standard" loop on Guacamole are not what I would consider "very technical". A solid Intermediate can ride it all with maybe two exceptions. Guacamole is always cooler than Barrel Roll as its higher by a more than 1200 feet. A 7 to 7:30 start time on Guacamole gives you three hrs of riding in warm but not hateful temps.
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    Heading to Hurricane next weekend but some forecasts are calling for rain. Can any recommend any trails that would ride-able & accessible in the area(i.e. St. George/Cedar City/Dixie NF) if it gets really wet? Or should we head down to Bootleg first and then come back up. Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuitbiker View Post
    Heading to Hurricane next weekend but some forecasts are calling for rain. Can any recommend any trails that would ride-able & accessible in the area(i.e. St. George/Cedar City/Dixie NF) if it gets really wet? Or should we head down to Bootleg first and then come back up. Thanks in advance.
    Church Rocks is a safe ride if its wet. It packs the sand down nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuitbiker View Post
    Heading to Hurricane next weekend but some forecasts are calling for rain. Can any recommend any trails that would ride-able & accessible in the area(i.e. St. George/Cedar City/Dixie NF) if it gets really wet? Or should we head down to Bootleg first and then come back up. Thanks in advance.
    GOOD When it's wet....
    Prospector/Church Rocks/Dino Tracks
    Gooseberry....if the road into it is passable
    Guacamole...if the road into it is passable
    Barrel Roll/Sidewinder/Suicidal Tendencies/Rim System...these are great all weather trails and you don't have to drive on dirt to access them.
    Zen Trail...Ditto

    Absolutely DO NOT RIDE when it's wet......
    Bear Claw Poppy
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    Obviously use common sense on ANY trail after rain or snow and avoid damaging them. Hope your trip works out in your favor and thanks for asking!!!
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    Do you locals foresee GM and Jem open for riding around Dec 27-29 this year just based on how much snow there are right now in those areas?

    If not rideable or recommended, could someone pls suggest a route or a bike shop we could stop by in for intel on recommended route around Green Valley trails to hit up Zen/barrel/Bearclaw? I will be with my wife who's somewhat intermediate but lacking on the climbing department so moderate or less climbing route would be ideal.

    Looking at the GV trails here http://www.skidmap.com/?cat=southwest, I'm not really sure where to generally begin (where to ideally park and roll from, loop trails together, etc). Is that map pretty accurate? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzer View Post
    Do you locals foresee GM and Jem open for riding around Dec 27-29 this year just based on how much snow there are right now in those areas?

    If not rideable or recommended, could someone pls suggest a route or a bike shop we could stop by in for intel on recommended route around Green Valley trails to hit up Zen/barrel/Bearclaw? I will be with my wife who's somewhat intermediate but lacking on the climbing department so moderate or less climbing route would be ideal.

    Looking at the GV trails here The Skid Map, I'm not really sure where to generally begin (where to ideally park and roll from, loop trails together, etc). Is that map pretty accurate? Thanks!
    Well, seeing this is a 100 year record snowfall, all bets are off. I live in Virgin and my yard received 16 inches, so did the JEM, Goulds, Hurricane Rim, Gooseberry, Little Creek and Guacamole, actually the mesas might have gotten more. The northern exposures of ANY trail are going to hold snow for a long time with these cold temps. By the time you get here we might be good to go...sun and wind would help a lot for sure. Call Over the Edge in Hurricane for info on these trails.

    Check with Red Rock Bicycles for St George/Santa Clara conditions. Barrel Roll, Sidewinder and Rim are good trails when we've had precipitation. Unfortunately you wife's going to have to do some climbing or sit it out.

    Thanks a bunch for asking and showing concern for the trails.
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    I'm convinced Goose/Jem won't be rideable next week, 27 & 28th so I'll focus our trip planning to St. George where I'm completely not familiar with the trails at all. I haven't read up on topo yet to gauge on elev differential so I'm not sure if my planned route makes sense (ie. unforgiving climbs or more climbing that "fun riding").

    I heard Bearclaw can be shuttled so we'll try it that way first. Here's what I have in mind. Does it make sense?

    Leave one car at the bottom of Bearclaw.
    Drive to and start from Green Valley parking lot
    Do Zen Loop first (what is the Zen alternate shown on the map -easier way back out?)
    After Zen, head to Race Course then Barrel.
    From Barrel to Bearclaw
    This is where I'm somewhat unsure....
    While on Bearclaw, is it worth it (ie. fun) to stretch the ride and take Stucki Cutoff and do the whole Stucki Loop connecting back to Bearclaw via Snakepit Rim towards the bottom of Bearclaw?
    Am I missing a lot skipping Bearclaw from Stucki Connector and Snakepit Rim?

    For the 28th, I'm thinking my wife will be pretty tired so Church Rocks might be a good wind down ride.
    I'm familiar with the standard lollipop loop via Prospector but not sure about Dino Cliffs.
    Is it worth it to add Dino Cliffs as an out and back or just stick with the lollipop Church Rocks route?

    If there are other "must hit" suggestion(s) in SG beyond what I had drafted above, I'm all ears. I'm looking forward to getting to know St. George more on this trip. We've always gone to Moab and Hurricane over the years so St. George is due.

    Lastly, if you're taking your wife on a trip to St. George, where is a good place to stay? No cookie cutter hotels, franchise motels and such. Something, uhm, like nice and cozy.

    THANK YOU!

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    How are conditions around St. George/Hurricane right now? Looks like there could be favorable weather. Trying to decide between skiing or biking next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splatte View Post
    How are conditions around St. George/Hurricane right now? Looks like there could be favorable weather. Trying to decide between skiing or biking next week.
    Most of the trails are very nice right now. Barrel Roll and the Rim Runner trail systems are in great condition (I rode them Friday and Saturday). I'm not too sure of the others at the moment. I'd suggest giving Over The Edge Sports a call (435-635-5455). They usually have daily reports on trail conditions around the area.

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    Hurricane is a muddy mess right now. The mesas got snow this last weekend. Your best bets are going to be in St. George / Santa Clara and of course Church Rocks and Prospector.

    I hope people have the decency to stay off of JEM this week. It can't take many more seasons like this winter before it just turns into a dirt road. There are sections of JEM that are seriously 3 times as wide now as they were last summer just from people riding into the brush to avoid mud.

    This is the desert; those new ruts don't just disappear and get grown over. That damage will STILL be there in 5 or 10 years.

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    Anyone have current conditions? I would like to hit gooseberry today if it's dry, otherwise I'll stay low.

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    I have a friend who lives in Apple Valley. He says the road to Goose is not passable.

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    headed to St. George tomorrow and looking to get some riding in. looking for around 20 miles or less out and back. Ill be riding a 29er hard tail so not looking for anything too "technical". directions to trail head would be helpful, ill be coming from Cedar City.

    Thanks Aaron

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    Quote Originally Posted by toycrawler View Post
    headed to St. George tomorrow and looking to get some riding in. looking for around 20 miles or less out and back. Ill be riding a 29er hard tail so not looking for anything too "technical". directions to trail head would be helpful, ill be coming from Cedar City.

    Thanks Aaron
    With rain in the forecast, Prospector from the Red Cliffs trailhead to a loop on Church Rock, then back again on Prospector might be a good option?

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    Prospector and Church are perfect for a hardtail. On top of that they are about the only trails that hold up well in the rain. They are fast, flowy and one of my favorite after-work rides. Have fun!

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    Went out yesterday trails and weather where awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toycrawler View Post
    Went out yesterday trails and weather where awesome.
    And what a difference a day makes. It raining very hard here right now in the Hurricane/Virgin/Zion area. Was hoping for a bit of rain to kill the dust but this is more than we hoped for.
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    It town tomorrow looking to do some riding. 3-30-14

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    fantastic thread, tons of great info that's going to help me with riding/logistics.

    Question: It seems like goose has the best free camping in the area, do you guys think i'll have a hard time finding a campsite up on goose on a Saturday (April 26th), or are there plenty of spots usually?

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    Well BDKeg, they just had the MTB festival in town this weekend with a plethora of riders and there were still alot of open spots so I'm guessing you should be okay.

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    St George / Hurricane May 7 - 11

    Will by flying into Vegas and heading directly for STG on May 7. How are the trails. Haven't seen much on the boards one way or another.

    One of the guys in the group is not going to be able to pedal too much so we might be looking for more some trails that are still trail/AM bike suitable but could be shuttled as well. We will still hope to hit the classics like Gooseberry.

    Any further suggestions.

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    Any problems after last weekend rains? Will be there soon. Gooseberry dreaming.
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    The roads are kinda beat up, but the trails are good to go.

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    I would like to add this to the forum
    Zion National Park Vacation Rental - VRBO 564576 - 3 BR UT House, Close to Mountain Biking & Zion National Park, Come Hike and Bike!
    It is the website to a really good, in expensive spot for lodging right in the middle of mountain biking country. There is a calendar of dates that are available. It accommodates up to 6. Very clean. Go to this site and check it out Zion National Park Vacation Rental - VRBO 564576 - 3 BR UT House, Close to Mountain Biking & Zion National Park, Come Hike and Bike!

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    Weather in late Feb/early March?

    I'm looking to plan a trip to this area in late Feb/early March. How is the snow fall during this time? I'd like to avoid any and all snow if I can

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    You'll be fine as long as you don't want to do the higher stuff, ie Gooseberry.
    I'm a mountain bike guide in southwest Utah

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    Any updates on Gooseberry and JEM? Hoping to ride with the family for the 4 day break, as I just got back from a fat ride in Park City and it would be nice to ride in the warm and on dirt. Thanks - BS

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    Goose and JEM should be beautiful this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    You'll be fine as long as you don't want to do the higher stuff, ie Gooseberry.
    Actually, he will be fine as long as it doesn't snow just before he gets here. While everything south of the Black Ridge doesnt typically have snow all winter, it really a crap shoot. Most stuff will dry out quickly, but as you pointed out, Goose, along with Little Creek, and some areas of JEM, can be slow to dry. Last year, there was still significant snow in the shade, out on the strip, way into February.
    Riding Fat and still just as fast as I never was.

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    Is it Still possible to ride the goose or JEM this time of year? I was thinking of heading down for an overnighter but am not familiar with how the trails are in that area. it looked like it may have snowed a bit yesterday but if any southern locals could chime in it would be great.

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    Goose is covered in snow. Everything else is perfect.

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    St. George/Hurricane late March/Early April

    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I'd do one day at Gooseberry, 1 day on the JEM/Hurricane Mesa/Goulds Loop and 1 day at Church Rocks/Prospector in StG....then 1 day at Thunder Mtn!!
    My buddy and I are heading out to St George area the first week of April. We've got five days - March 28 thru April 2. Doing some initial research here, and really learning a lot through this thread (as always on MTBR! I've had some awesome luck finding people to show me around on trips: Soquel Demo, Sedona, Black Hills) Flying in to Vegas and shipping bikes. We're gonna try to hit up the last day of the Hurricane MT Fest on Sunday, and we want to ride Bootleg Canyon on the way back as well. We'll be riding 6 inch bikes, and have extensive experience on East Coast trails. A shuttle run would be sweet.
    Just throwing it out there to see if there are any major points of change that we should be aware of, and/or definite "things to avoid." I guess my most pressing question at this point is: will I be able to buy beer?

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    My buddy and I are heading out to St George area the first week of April. We've got five days - March 28 thru April 2. Doing some initial research here, and really learning a lot through this thread (as always on MTBR! I've had some awesome luck finding people to show me around on trips: Soquel Demo, Sedona, Black Hills) Flying in to Vegas and shipping bikes. We're gonna try to hit up the last day of the Hurricane MT Fest on Sunday, and we want to ride Bootleg Canyon on the way back as well. We'll be riding 6 inch bikes, and have extensive experience on East Coast trails. A shuttle run would be sweet.
    Just throwing it out there to see if there are any major points of change that we should be aware of, and/or definite "things to avoid." I guess my most pressing question at this point is: will I be able to buy beer?

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    Snoo,
    If you are into techy, rocky climbing there is a new set of trails recently finished just on the east side of Quail Creek reservoir. Rythm and Blues and the new Rock and Roll trails are to the west side of the reservoir/road, then a short drive over to the new stuff. (not sure they even have official names yet).
    The combo can make a great morning of riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billj121 View Post
    Snoo,
    If you are into techy, rocky climbing there is a new set of trails recently finished just on the east side of Quail Creek reservoir. Rythm and Blues and the new Rock and Roll trails are to the west side of the reservoir/road, then a short drive over to the new stuff. (not sure they even have official names yet).
    The combo can make a great morning of riding.
    Rocks are kinda my thing. We'll check 'em out. A strava contact said Zen and Suicidal Tendencies are must do.

    I'm wondering if scheduling a shuttle service would be preferable to renting a car in Vegas, as far as cost. We go low budget.

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    Re: St. George/Hurricane Trip Planner

    Quote Originally Posted by GrandpaSnook View Post
    Rocks are kinda my thing. We'll check 'em out. A strava contact said Zen and Suicidal Tendencies are must do.

    I'm wondering if scheduling a shuttle service would be preferable to renting a car in Vegas, as far as cost. We go low budget.
    Suicidal Tendencies is OK. The Barrel Roll trail, Sidewinder, Rim Rock, Rim Runner, Rim Rambler, and Rim Reaper trails (near ST) are excellent as well. You could ride them all day and not get bored.

    The JEM, Hurricane Rim, Goosebumps, Cryptobionic, and Gould's Rim are great too. These are located just outside of Hurricane.

    Gooseberry Mesa and across the highway, Little Creak Mesa are must rides. They may have a skiff of snow on them right now though.

    For information, including GPS files, go to http://www.utahmountainbiking.com/trails/

    Enjoy your trip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PiousInquisitor View Post
    Suicidal Tendencies is OK. The Barrel Roll trail, Sidewinder, Rim Rock, Rim Runner, Rim Rambler, and Rim Reaper trails (near ST) are excellent as well. You could ride them all day and not get bored.

    The JEM, Hurricane Rim, Goosebumps, Cryptobionic, and Gould's Rim are great too. These are located just outside of Hurricane.

    Gooseberry Mesa and across the highway, Little Creak Mesa are must rides. They may have a skiff of snow on them right now though.

    For information, including GPS files, go to Utah Mountain Bike Trail Index Page

    Enjoy your trip!
    ^Thanks, man! Developing an itinerary. probably gonna rent bikes instead of shipping. Seems to be the smarter way to go.

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    St. George/Hurricane Trip Planner

    I'll be in Virgin 3/28-4/4 with the family, but I have the go ahead to ride a couple of days with some friends. I'm thinking Gooseberry & Little Creek one day. It sounds like Zen is another must do, but that won't fill the day. My question is what should we add to Zen to make a longer ride of 3-5 hrs? Can we squeeze Bearclaw Poppy in that day too? For a third 1/2 day it'll probably be JEM and it's connecting trails.

    Any other must ride trails we shouldn't miss?

    We're advanced riders on AM bikes. From the videos I've seen, Flying Monkey / King Kong type stuff is above our pay grade though. I'm looking for maximum smiles per mile.

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