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    So... they're paving the BST???

    So, I rode from my house yesterday. Up dry creek, across the BST and then down bobsled. Hadn't ridden that trail for a couple of weeks. On the way up dry creek I noticed that some trail maintenance had been done. Little drainage ditches cut across the trail to stop erosion. Did the switchback and rode up out of dry creek to the first view point then started to ride across. I got up to speed for the first little challenging rock garden and came around the corner to find it not there. All the rocks that stuck up more than an inch had been removed from the trail. As i continued to ride it turned out that this had been done to the trail for about a half a mile. All challenge had been removed. What a way to ruin the trail. Lets not fix the 2 inch deep ruts left in the trail from people riding too early this spring, we'll just take out all the naturally occurring obstacles to make the trail more boring than it already was.

    Thanks for nothing trail maintenance people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClintChild
    So, I rode from my house yesterday. Up dry creek, across the BST and then down bobsled. Hadn't ridden that trail for a couple of weeks. On the way up dry creek I noticed that some trail maintenance had been done. Little drainage ditches cut across the trail to stop erosion. Did the switchback and rode up out of dry creek to the first view point then started to ride across. I got up to speed for the first little challenging rock garden and came around the corner to find it not there. All the rocks that stuck up more than an inch had been removed from the trail. As i continued to ride it turned out that this had been done to the trail for about a half a mile. All challenge had been removed. What a way to ruin the trail. Lets not fix the 2 inch deep ruts left in the trail from people riding too early this spring, we'll just take out all the naturally occurring obstacles to make the trail more boring than it already was.

    Thanks for nothing trail maintenance people.
    Hmmm...This is what I heard last weekend from a semi-well known DH racer (amongst his family and friend) while climbing up Dry Creek while the carnage was actually going on: 'WTF! There used to be little, mini berms here but now it's just a ditch that's going to become a big hole later...." I can't repeat the rest for fear of being banned from this site. But you get the picture.

    I was saddened last night to find my favorite little 7" high rock I liked to 'boost' off of a little ways past the top of Dry Creek on a short down section ripped out. It was tentamount to having some future new born child taken and thrown in one of those blue recycling garbage bins.

    Yes, the little challenging rock garden on the lookout right past the top of DC is now a smooth bit of sidewalk, but you can find some challenge off to the sides . The odd thing being that the 3 places that accumulate mud/water that runs down from the hillside next to them all spring were not touched . No drainage ditch in sight where it was actually needed.

    Same thing happened to Pipeline in Millcreek years and years ago. I was negotiating that little, steep climb towards the middle where the wooden retaining wall is now and came across a group of out-of-state REI type employees with a jackhammer taking out the only 6 foot 'tech' section that trail used to have. I asked them 'Why?" and in a round about way found out that some were from back East and loved our mountains .
    Of course they were just being told what to do and were happy to oblige. I'm sure the exposure was making them nervous and was waiting for one to throw a harness on me and anchor me to the 'dangerous' hillside.

    Someone who posts in here frequently mentioned that section from DC over to City Creek hasn't had any trail maintenence in like a decade. So maybe after a few really wet years the rocks and a bit of challenge will come back and the baby strollers will have to head back down to the surface street sidewalks again.

    Anyway....

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    Let's not forget that at one time this section of the BST was smooth and unblemished like a porn stars a$%. Then the bikes, boots and rains came and the trail became a little more worn and a little more worn year after year. This was followed by "trail maintenance" and now the boots, bikes and rains will continue the cycle. This also fits into the cycle of life returning to the African savanah model of change (see JMH post in will Moab survive the Crackdown).
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    I was pissed to see those rocks gone too, definitely let out an audible 'what the fock' when I got to the corner. Not like it was a really notible feature or anything but it was basically the one and only thing resembling a technical feature on that entire section of trail. Can't wait to see the work they do on the dry creek rockgarden, I'm sure it's only a matter of time now.

    Oh yeah, and check out the info in this post taken from UMB if you want to be pissed/sick:


    just got back from a lunch ride up dry creek to city creek, ran into more CCF workers up there. I asked them how much more work they were doing. They said they'd been getting a lot of complaints about people tripping over rocks and that SLC had deemed the trail unsafe. According to the 3 working, SLC wants the trail to be 5-feet wide to be safe for "multiple users" (funny we cyclists only get 3 feet of safety on a highway!). I argued that perhaps people needed to realize they were in wilderness and needed to realize they were taking risks (such as, god forbid, finding a rock on a trail). I was given the explanation that they want the trail safe 'for everyone,' from someone in a motorized wheelchair to a grandma with a stroller.
    They've been commissioned to do two weeks of work in the spring and two in the fall.
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    The actual "specs" set out for the Shoreline by the BSTC in the mid-90s call for something like a 6' tread with no obstacles, or something as sidewalky as that. Multi-Use friendly, blah blah. The fact that it's not like that everywhere is simply due to not enough man hours and money.

    Not that I agree with that philosophy, but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH
    TMulti-Use friendly, blah blah.

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    Does that mean I can take my dirt bike on it now? Schweet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyhands
    Does that mean I can take my dirt bike on it now? Schweet!
    I think they had something more like baby strollers and Jazzys in mind. I think when they flag re-routes up there they should have you and Scott and Err ride the track until it's cut in, would be way easier than digging it all out by hand and way more fun.

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    To my understanding the volunteer work on the BST is done for the season. Keep in mind that the same groups that donate their time to maintaining the BST trails system are the same that did all the work to build it in the first place, and without them it wouldn't be there at all. They are also the same groups that have worked hard to get approval to connect the North section of BST to the South section. It has been approved thanks to their work and they will be the groups again donating their time to building the connector.

    So, if you want a trails built the way you like it you should join those groups, put your time in as a volunteer and earn the right to get things done the way you like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    So, if you want a trails built the way you like it you should join those groups, put your time in as a volunteer and earn the right to get things done the way you like.

    Pshaw....it's more better to be a recent transplant to the area and just ***** about it on the interwebs.

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    Well the last little rock garden is gone from Dry creek. I am surprised they were able to remove these rocks. It looks like they are working towards the zoo now.






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    Unless they put a huge pipe under it to reroute water, it will just be eroded away come spring and then it will be a deeper trench with even more loose rocks. People who maintain trails in salt lake county are the dumbest EVER!

    With the population size (see tax base) we have here they should have hundreds of miles of trail specifically built for different user groups in easy reach for all to enjoy. One guy named Bob in PC does more then all of Salt Lake County.

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    Unbelievable.


    Sometimes while riding I daydream about coming across "them" doing "trail work" and getting into fisticuffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit
    Unbelievable.


    Sometimes while riding I daydream about coming across "them" doing "trail work" and getting into fisticuffs.

    Meh. They're nice folks and they are just trying to keep the trail maintained to specification. Worrying about the conditions on the Shoreline is just a waste of valuable head space, eh? We have bigger fish to fry.

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    You always have to be the calm, reasonable one dontcha JMH?!

    Agreed, the rocks grow back quickly anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit
    the rocks grow back quickly anyway.
    Yes, yes they do.

    Sweet pix of you by Steve Lloyd this weekend...

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    It's been like that for a while now.

    I just wish someone would get rid of all the bees towards the bottom in that swampy area.

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    Yeah S. Lloyd is an alright photog I guess... heh.


    Rode this last night and the rocks have already grown back quite a bit since the above photo was taken. I actually don't mind it how it is - heck I'd celebrate if someone installed a rope tow up Dry Gulch.

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    Dry This.

    Quote Originally Posted by Summit
    Rode this last night and the rocks have already grown back quite a bit since the above photo was taken. I actually don't mind it how it is - heck I'd celebrate if someone installed a rope tow up Dry Gulch.
    Seems I was corrected the other day on the Christian name given to this section of the BST. I won't name any names, JMH, but apparently my use of 'Dry Creek' vs. 'Dry Gulch' is incorrect in the eyes of some other, more sensitive trail users. I've been calling it Dry Creek for years and unlike how east coasters say 'Alta' all wrong, with an emphasis on 'All-Ta', I'm willing to make a compromise.

    From here on out I suggest we refer to the entrance to the creek or gulch, behind the JCC as 'Dry Mouth.'
    For example; 'I hit that sick jump at the entrance to Dry Mouth and got bucked off. Fortunately there was a homeless guy's sleeping bag left to rot on the side of the trail and it broke my fall.'

    The nasty little hard left hand turn to that steep climb section is now 'Dry Wall.'

    When riding it during the winter or early spring before all the snow has melted, you should write that you just rode 'Dry Ice.'

    Riding it in late July at high noon should be noted as riding 'Dry Eyes.' 'Went for a quick jaunt up Dry Eyes today during lunch and passed out right before Dry Wall.'

    When sitting at the Bobsled bench and someone on a NEXT shows up and seems a little hesitant you should tell him to go for it and hit 'Dry This.' 'Dude, you're totally going to Dry This.'

    Anyway, you get the picture.

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    Dry Creek

    According to the USGS topo map (and as long as I've known it), it's Dry Creek.
    Btw, the "Dude" you referenced would be a bench mark on the ridge directly north of Dry Creek on the north side of City Creek.

    But we drygess,,,
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFJ
    According to the USGS topo map (and as long as I've known it), it's Dry Creek.

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    I prefer Dry CREEK personally, but was being P.C. with the gulchification. Good to know creek is legit.

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    You guys are crazy. Dry Gulch is a distinctive section of the Shoretop trail and deserves its own name rather than being named after some silly non-existent "dry creek". WTF is a dry creek anyway? Is that near Bumpy Flats down by Dusty River? Next you're going to say that Bobsleigh is really called High Ravine. Or that Team Black Bear in Deer's Valley is being changed to Hot Snow Ridge.

    Maps. Pfft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH
    Next you're going to say that Bobsleigh is really called High Ravine....
    Is that how that's spelled? I thought it was "Bob's lay", being named after a guy named Bob and his triumphant 37 second conquest in one of the burned out cars way back when.

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    Ted Thurlough's Mighty Drainage And Salvage Yard 2011

    From now on I'm calling Bobsled or Bobsleigh, Ted Thurlough's Mighty Drainage And Salvage Yard 2011.

    Only reason Bob got his name on that trail was that his father was a 3 term US Senator.

    Dry Creek/Gulch is now affectionately known simply as Gash if you're climbing and Gash Almighty if you're descending.

    Now that we've massdebatered that to death, moving right along.

    Should food be allowed on the Ted Thurlough's Mighty Drainage And Salvage Yard 2011 and/or Gash Almighty?
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    So Dry Creek despite being the given name for the canyon, the commonly used name, and representative of it's geomorphology is not distinctive enough for that section of the shoreline trail? So if you start calling it something else, say Dry Gulch it will become that? Next thing you know you will start calling Bobsled, Bobsleigh.
    BTW, calling it a "non-existent" dry creek is almost humorous since that is precisely what the given name refers to. Dry Creek actually runs year round below the surface, at times showing up on the surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFJ
    So Dry Creek despite being the given name for the canyon, the commonly used name, and representative of it's geomorphology is not distinctive enough for that section of the shoreline trail? So if you start calling it something else, say Dry Gulch it will become that? Next thing you know you will start calling Bobsled, Bobsleigh.
    BTW, calling it a "non-existent" dry creek is almost humorous since that is precisely what the given name refers to. Dry Creek actually runs year round below the surface, at times showing up on the surface.
    I'm sorry, but just to clarify for folks just jumping into this debate, are you referring to Gash or Gash Almighty?

    It's just that this topic has gotten so confusing (thanks Bortis! Geez.) that I think we need to keep things in perspective. I'd also like to throw out the notion of not riding any of the following trails until we come to a consensus on the names, Christian, topographic or otherwise:

    Bobsled
    Bobsleigh
    Dry Creek
    Dry Gulch
    Gash
    Gash Almighty
    Ted Thurlough's Mighty Drainage And Salvage Yard 2011
    Dry Wall
    Dry Eyes
    Dry Ice
    or Dry This.

    I'm also going to throw in Spiro as that is just a stupid name for a trail. Swallows would have been a much bird brand to use.

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    Also what is the proper name for the steepa$$ doubletrack climb on the BST after you've topped out on Dry C/G(?) on the way to Bobsleidgh? I have always heard "The Wall" but I don't think I'll be able to ride it again until we decide. Well, that and the fact that it'll be a mud-clayfest for the foreseeable future, until it freezes or dries out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit
    Also what is the proper name for the steepa$$ doubletrack climb on the BST after you've topped out on Dry C/G(?) on the way to Bobsleidgh? I have always heard "The Wall" but I don't think I'll be able to ride it again until we decide. Well, that and the fact that it'll be a mud-clayfest for the foreseeable future, until it freezes or dries out.
    I've heard it called "Olympic Hill" by several folks. I just call it "that steep f#cking doubletrack climb after Dry Creek/Vag/Gulch/Wall/Eyes/Ice/This"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit
    Also what is the proper name for the steepa$$ doubletrack climb on the BST after you've topped out on Dry C/G(?) on the way to Bobsleidgh? I have always heard "The Wall" but I don't think I'll be able to ride it again until we decide. Well, that and the fact that it'll be a mud-clayfest for the foreseeable future, until it freezes or dries out.
    That spot is called the Pasture in honor of Louie Pasture, the inventor of rabies. And because it kinda looks like a big cow pasture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit
    Also what is the proper name for the steepa$$ doubletrack climb on the BST after you've topped out on Dry C/G(?) on the way to Bobsleidgh? I have always heard "The Wall" but I don't think I'll be able to ride it again until we decide. Well, that and the fact that it'll be a mud-clayfest for the foreseeable future, until it freezes or dries out.
    I've allways called it Olympic Hill after the 2002 Olympics since the pasture above it is where they put the rings. I liked how they had a security guard up there in a jeep 24-7 for a month straight while it was all going on!

    PS Dry Crick is called Dry Gulch on Google Earth so that must be the correct name
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    I've allways called it Olympic Hill after the 2002 Olympics since the pasture above it is where they put the rings. I liked how they had a security guard up there in a jeep 24-7 for a month straight while it was all going on!

    PS Dry Crick is called Dry Gulch on Google Earth so that must be the correct name
    *Ahem*
    Olympic Hill is called Dry Hill.

    Google is so yesterday . Everyone in the know, knows it's called Gash or Gash Almighty.
    I'd dump that bunk stock *****show before this news hits Fox and it starts trading on the corner of Wall Street and Vinny's Mom's Pasta Shack for half a pack of smokes and a gently used 1988 Hustler (you know, back when Flint was getting all spiritual and the magazine was worth 'reading').

    I do have to say that I am severely disappointed that someone who joined MTBR in October 2010 with two posts didn't try and e-slam me about Spiro being a bird name . When in fact that trail was actually named after Jordana Spiro who just happens to Swallow.


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    Fjear This

    Apparently Chumley's billionaire great uncle heard about him getting mocked by Krispy at this years Humdinger about running a clapped out Nomad with a motocross rear shock welded to his frame and went out and built him up a custom bike.

    All those on the BST and Ted Thurlough's Mighty Drainage And Salvage Yard 2011 this weekend beware.



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    I know it's off topic, but SLCRMR, as what are your duties as Chumley's handmaiden?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neongreen
    I know it's off topic, but SLCRMR, as what are your duties as Chumley's handmaiden?
    If I post that up here this Thread would end up being deleted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit
    Also what is the proper name for the steepa$$ doubletrack climb on the BST after you've topped out on Dry C/G(?) on the way to Bobsleidgh? I have always heard "The Wall" but I don't think I'll be able to ride it again until we decide. Well, that and the fact that it'll be a mud-clayfest for the foreseeable future, until it freezes or dries out.

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