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    The Palisade Plunge - 32mi, 6K ft, killer trail, ITS MONEY TIME

    Cross posting for someone else.... For those interested in another (hopefully) epic option in your general vicinity check out the information and if you are so inclined, we'd be glad to accept a few bucks as we only have 11 days to hit our first matching grant. Look at it this way...... not only can you come ride it yourself, but there'll be fewer of us coming over to clog up TWE.... win/win right? If nothing else just check it out and spread the word.

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    The time to start raising money for the Palisade Plunge trail is here. The Environmental Assessment is signed, plans are laid, and construction is planned to begin in Spring 2019. Funding is critical, and match $ are hyper critical right now

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    Thanks again to anyone who donated to help get Phase I going.... it helped! During the Phase I drive, we crushed our $30K goal by raising about $68k. Shows there was some real excitement for this trail. Some of that $$ was carried over to Phase II as it came in after our deadlines for matching funds. As such, our matching goal is less this time around. Short version = Phase I construction is starting & time to start raising matching funds for Phase II!

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    Years of work are coming to fruition - COPMOBA and partners are excited to announce that Phase I construction of the Palisade Plunge begins this week! When complete, the Plunge will be 32 miles of amazing singletrack with 6000' of downhill while riding off the Grand Mesa with stunning views over the entire Grand Valley all the way to Palisade! Phase I includes roughly the lower half of the route, and will be the bottom 17 miles of savory singletrack!

    With construction kicking off and a groundbreaking ceremony coming up, exciting progress is being made! On top of that, we are kicking off our Power the Plunge fundraising campaign for Phase II of construction!

    Phase II will be construction of the upper half of the route, and our goal is to raise $15,000 to go toward required grant match dollars to fund trail construction and to support future maintenance requirements.

    When complete, the Palisade Plunge will connect the top of the Grand Mesa (10,700') to the Town of Palisade, CO, (4,700') via 32 miles of sweet riding backcountry singletrack - yes, 6000' of relief, and the style of trail you've come to expect from COPMOBA. The Plunge route also connects with miles and miles of existing awesome trail, and passes through stunning back-country terrain that most riders only dream of. The final connection into downtown Palisade and all the fun amenities there completes via a paved path, and on to the Colorado Riverfront Trail for further connectivity.

    Due to the scale of the trail and the terrain through which it will be built, as well as additional parking, trailhead, restroom facilities, and a final paved path section, this project cost is estimated at ~$3.43M. We are obtaining the vast majority of this funding through various grant options, but it is critical that the mountain bike, run, and walk community is able to support the project through a locally driven fundraising campaign. Those grants require matching dollars, and now is the time to pitch in!

    The Power the Plunge campaign is the best opportunity for individuals and businesses to donate to this project. Whether you donate $25, $500, or anything in between, every contribution matters. You can donate at any level, at any time, and as often as you'd like. Our goal is to raise $15,000 to Power the Plunge - Phase II, and we can only do it with your help!

    Click below for more details and to help Power the Plunge today! After you've donated, please share this post to help spread the word.

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    Done. Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like a great trail! Iíll share on FB.


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    Thanks KRob. Can't wait to ride it! Not only a great downhill hopefully, but gonna bring in a lot of cool ride options between the Mesa and town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    Plunge will be 32 miles of amazing singletrack with 6000' of downhill

    I'm sensing a theme with this.

    And I can't see where it's going to change. This project is going to get pushed, pushed, pushed as a shuttleable DH track, and within a few years of it's inception very few will think of it as anything but a gravity trail.

    Short term pushes for money yield long term results. And maybe not always the ones we envisioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I'm sensing a theme with this.

    And I can't see where it's going to change. This project is going to get pushed, pushed, pushed as a shuttleable DH track, and within a few years of it's inception very few will think of it as anything but a gravity trail.

    Short term pushes for money yield long term results. And maybe not always the ones we envisioned.
    Maybe they could use some help with how they're marketing the project?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I'm sensing a theme with this.

    And I can't see where it's going to change. This project is going to get pushed, pushed, pushed as a shuttleable DH track, and within a few years of it's inception very few will think of it as anything but a gravity trail.

    Short term pushes for money yield long term results. And maybe not always the ones we envisioned.
    It's what the people want. Another TWE. Because we all got into mountain biking to ride in crowds of people unloading out of 20 passenger vans.

    I know, criticizing TWE. Blasphemy. It is a great trail. But the entire experience wasn't quite as great.

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    Tough crowd. My hat's off to COPMOPA for coming up with the concept, getting it through NEPA as a partner with the land manager(s), and now implementation. You guys do realize this is mostly, if not all, volunteer driven?

    The sounds of crickets. Get involved if you don't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Tough crowd. My hat's off to COPMOPA for coming up with the concept, getting it through NEPA as a partner with the land manager(s), and now implementation. You guys do realize this is mostly, if not all, volunteer driven?

    The sounds of crickets. Get involved if you don't like it.

    From a certain perspective you're right.

    But it is (in this case as in many) much, much more nuanced than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    From a certain perspective you're right.

    But it is (in this case as in many) much, much more nuanced than that.
    Yeah, probably so. But it appears there are (will be) numerous ways to make loops out of parts of the 30 mile alignment, no?

    Anyhow, I'm not sure TWE is a good comparison. How about MAG7? It was pushed as a somewhat directional descent with a finish on Portal but lots of folks use it for loop options in either direction on the upper half. I just know how hard it is to get stuff like this approved and then even harder to pay for it. And we just lost 19 miles of trails in the Museum Fire so I'm grumpy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I'm sensing a theme with this.
    A theme....? Maybe because I copy/pasted from the original thread & press release? Your concern was heard and addressed by Scott and myself in the main thread, yet you seem to want to criticize at every opportunity.
    https://forums.mtbr.com/colorado-wes...e-1003841.html

    If you would like to rewrite the press-release to something more palatable to you, go for it. I will attempt to go back and edit all posts to your liking if it will make you happy.

    This is the elevation profile, with easy access from an existing trail head right on a hwy. I think it's rather obvious how the "bulk" of users are likely to use this. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it...... Yet, it is in fact a two-way trail and will offer epic loop options for those who wish to climb it or portions of it. To seemingly insist we avoid marketing the downhill aspect seems like you're just trying to be pedantic or contrarian.
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    "Please donate to help build a 32 mile uphill trail with 8,000 feet of climbing........" I can't wait to see the $$ just come pouring in on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    I think it's rather obvious how the "bulk" of users are likely to use this. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it......
    Especially if the local bike shops suddenly have a fleet of 20+ vans running up the hill multiple times a day.

    Yeah it is obvious how the bulk of users will ride the trail. I just hope it doesn't turn into a complete circus like the TWE has become. Not holding my breath there, though...

    I'll be interested to see how the seasonal and possible wildlife closures will play into usage. Perhaps before snow melts up top it will be an out and back from the bottom. Can't see wanting to climb it in heat of summer which is when temps would be nice at elevation anyways. Regardless, hopefully it is built so that it is a fun climb too so that people who want to climb can climb it, and so it can handle shuttle traffic without turning into a blown out mess. Put some tough climbs on the descent too, to make riders earn that descent!

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    Add me to the list of people who will drive a thousand miles, and spend a thousand dollars or more visiting Fruita/GJ, ride all the classics, and definitely will want to shuttle the Palisade Plunge.

    It's fine with me if people want to ride up the trail, but as a "once every couple years" type of visitor, I'll be stoked to jump out of a white shuttle van, get a selfie at the trailhead, and have a great day of riding mostly downhill. ...it's an option that doesn't exist at home...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi View Post
    Your concern was heard and addressed by Scott and myself in the main thread, yet you seem to want to criticize at every opportunity.

    Well, you paid brief lip service to that concern, and then -- seemingly moments later -- reverted to referencing it as a DH trail.

    Honest question: How will it ever become known as anything other than a DH trail when you only ever advertise it as a DH trail?

    There's nothing wrong with DH trails -- just call them what they are and take the $ and volunteer labor from those that have a full understanding of what they're signing up for.

    What you've been doing of late is not that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uberstein View Post
    Add me to the list of people who will drive a thousand miles, and spend a thousand dollars or more visiting Fruita/GJ, ride all the classics, and definitely will want to shuttle the Palisade Plunge.

    It's fine with me if people want to ride up the trail, but as a "once every couple years" type of visitor, I'll be stoked to jump out of a white shuttle van, get a selfie at the trailhead, and have a great day of riding mostly downhill. ...it's an option that doesn't exist at home...
    I call shotgun!!! People are more than welcome to ride up if they want, just like .0005%'ers that do the same for TWE, Alpine Trail in Oakridge, Palm Canyon Epic in SoCal, Downieville in.......Downieville and the Cannell Plunge in Kernville (CA).
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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    People are more than welcome to ride up if they want, just like .0005%'ers that do the same for TWE, Alpine Trail in Oakridge, Palm Canyon Epic in SoCal, Downieville in.......Downieville and the Cannell Plunge in Kernville (CA).
    I'd ridden up Alpine Trail a dozen+ times -- usually with a group of friends -- a decade+ before I'd ever heard the term "shuttle monkey".

    Ditto with TWE -- we were climbing it more than a decade before it was known by that name.

    Like I said, there's nothing wrong with DH trails. But pre-publicizing a two-way trail -- before it's even built -- by only calling it out as a DH trail just isn't right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I'd ridden up Alpine Trail a dozen+ times -- usually with a group of friends -- a decade+ before I'd ever heard the term "shuttle monkey".

    Ditto with TWE -- we were climbing it more than a decade before it was known by that name.

    Like I said, there's nothing wrong with DH trails. But pre-publicizing a two-way trail -- before it's even built -- by only calling it out as a DH trail just isn't right.
    Look dude, if a 30 mile long trail has a profile that looks like a slice of pie, the *vast* majority of riders are going to shuttle it. You need to get over it.

    Yeah, you be as bad as shit because *you* are going to ride it uphill. Hope your ego was sufficiently stroked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    Look dude, if a 30 mile long trail has a profile that looks like a slice of pie, the *vast* majority of riders are going to shuttle it. You need to get over it.

    Yeah, you be as bad as shit because *you* are going to ride it uphill. Hope your ego was sufficiently stroked.

    You completely missed the point. I have no ego about riding because I have no reason to have an ego about riding. I am, at best, an average rider.

    The point is that not very long ago, people climbed everything they descended. It wasn't a big deal, there wasn't any ego involved. It was just riding.

    Shuttling is a relatively new thing, and apparently sufficient to make whole communities whore themselves out while chasing the almighty dollar, in exchange for losing the very soul that they may not have even known they had.

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    Well shoot I remember shuttling in the 90s. Monarch Crest to Rainbow. Dr.'s Park because I'm weak. 2-Elk in Vail. Black Mtn in Jackson. Wasatch Crest. Porcupine Rim in the late 80s. Yeah, those can all be pedaled by the 1%'rs.

    I see what mikesee is getting at but the sport has changed. Bikes are so much more capable now and design emphasizes the down-factor. And they all climb pretty good but riders are looking for trail diversity and not always finding it. I think the Palisade Plunge is something to be celebrated and I don't care how it's marketed to garner the funds to build it but I'm not a local either.

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    Cobi,

    This trail will be a great addition, thanks for all your hard work to make it happen!!! Sounds like a rad time... Hope theres some steep and rowdy sections.

    Looking forward to shuttling the shit out of it with all my homies. Lame theres elitist d!kheads that gotta suck the fun outta everything.

    good luck,

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I'd ridden up Alpine Trail a dozen+ times -- usually with a group of friends -- a decade+ before I'd ever heard the term "shuttle monkey".

    Ditto with TWE -- we were climbing it more than a decade before it was known by that name.

    Like I said, there's nothing wrong with DH trails. But pre-publicizing a two-way trail -- before it's even built -- by only calling it out as a DH trail just isn't right.
    you used to ride all of what's now called TWE, from the bottom of Porc Rim all the way to the top of Burro Pass?!? how long time -wise was that? would/could you do it now if it was as free of rider's as it was then?
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