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    Officially the Unofficial Bobsled Gripe Thread

    Pretty soon (actually now according to Summit) Larry and all his pals without lights will be forced to horde (or whored) the Shoreline in mass as day light turns to not day light sooner and soonerer.

    The Fall Bobsled bickering is much different than Springtime Bobsled bickering: Those dying to ride after a long winter and feeling they 'own' the trail as they need to train hard for their 10th I-Cup season racing Sport vs. Those who had a successful 9th season dominating the Sport 30-39 class yet again, besting all new comers by a staggering 15 minutes and feeling they 'own' the trail due to their exploits and the need to finish the season strong.

    The red-headed step child being all the groms who've only ridden the Bobsled all Summer long, day after day, and who will be the innocent victims of instantaneous shirking as they and their shabby nailsmanship and shovelmanship will be tossed aside as the masses invade 9 miles of single track all at once. Their ADD will be attacked as they are dealt blow after blow of 'pure' and 'core' and 'who may or may not own or manage the land around the Bobsled' and are thus thrust into an unwilling political debate as the bleed on their hand-me-down Hayes Nine brakes fade into oblivion.

    So I've started this dedicated thread to house any and all that is the Bobsled. God help us all.



    Shirk on.
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    In a blatant act of e-do uchebaggery I will begin the dialogue by throwing out a few Bobsled Talking Points. Known from here on out as, Bobsled Talking Points.

    1. Who 'owns' the Bobsled and why?
    This could be a continuation of the debate as to who physically owns the deed to the land it's on. Those who think they know who own the land, but aren't certain. Those who feel they 'own' it due to age and/or number of years riding it OR those who feel they 'own' it due to number of hours spent building stunts, etc....

    2. Should you be able to buy a key to the gate at the top of the Avenues to make shutteling easier at shops other than Go-Ride?
    For example, The Wild Rose is located closer to the Bobsled than Go-Ride so shouldn't they be the Gate Keeper?

    3. Who and when should people be allowed to run or ride up the Bobsled? Who would be responsible for policing this?
    This gets to the core of the idea of those who feel the need to run up the Bobsled to train for some running race where they are required to run up a ditch for a long ways vs. just how stupid that is to do and if they are just doing it to piss people off.

    4. Should a person high posting down the Bobsled and going uber slow be forced to yield to a faster rider sporting a full blown DH kit and bike?
    This gets back to the 'pure' vs. 'core' debate and is likely to be a hot button issue.

    5. Is it gay to wear a full DH kit on such a smooth trail?

    6. Is it gay to wear a full lycra kit on such a DH trail?

    7. Best Tire For The Bobsled?

    8. Is 7" too much?
    This could be a discussion or gripe session regarding bike choice for the Bobsled or just a discussion of the male anatomy.

    9. Where's the Bobsled?
    Discussion for those who aren't in the know and probably just bought a mountain bike and are learning and thus shouldn't be shown such a trail for the obvious reasons.

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    What about...

    What tire should I use while riding Bobsled?

    What bike rolls the Bobsled better, a 26 or 29

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe
    What about...

    What tire should I use while riding Bobsled?

    What bike rolls the Bobsled better, a 26 or 29
    I would ride the tire that most upsets the most riders. Something that rolls fast, gets lots of traction but is super sluggish and has a tendency to slide out at the slightest cant of the bike.

    I don't think anyone's done a test yet as to which bike rolls the Bobsled better. I'm going to assume you meant end over end? If that's the case then I think it boils down to who is the one actually throwing the bike, regardless of tire size, and can get the first bounce to start with the front wheel followed by a successful hit on the rear wheel to get things moving.

    Obviously 'rolling' the bike at the top of the Bobsled vs. the bottom of the Bobsled will yield different results.

    Which brings up another Bobsled Talking Points:

    Which part of the Bobsled is best?

    Which part of the Bobsled is worst?

    Which part of the Bobsled is most likely to host Stadium of Fire?

    Best nutritional supplement for the Bobsled?
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    Hmmm timely post SLCRMR. Rode the sled last night for the first time in weeks! The run itself was just dreamy, but the "hordes" are definitely whoreding the shoreline already. Numerous shoulder season encounters of out-of-shape groms attempting to mash the climb, runners refusing to yield to the 8 bikes stacked up behind them, and more general trail etiquette doucehbaggery. Let shoulder season begin! (fortunately fall has nothing on spring conflicts)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit
    Hmmm timely post SLCRMR. Rode the sled last night for the first time in weeks! The run itself was just dreamy, but the "hordes" are definitely whoreding the shoreline already. Numerous shoulder season encounters of out-of-shape groms attempting to mash the climb, runners refusing to yield to the 8 bikes stacked up behind them, and more general trail etiquette doucehbaggery. Let shoulder season begin! (fortunately fall has nothing on spring conflicts)
    I have not ridden Bob's Sled in a couple of months at the very least, but did venture up near and above there not too long back. My experience was a trail void of people and people pretending to be people, unlike your opposite and nearly not as lonesome of an experience.

    I think there needs to be a counter. Perhaps one of those folk who count cars at intersections. Counting the number of non-yields to uphill traffic within Dry Creek proper during Springtime and Falltime to see which season produces the most/least amount of doucehbaggery.

    Disclaimer: I forgo yielding to any uphill traffic once over in City Creek Canyon. By that point, if travelling from the Dry Creek side, I feel I've done enough pedalling to 'own' that descent. Please remember that if there is an altercation.

    Observation: So sad that it's already that time of year. People, there is still plenty of light up in Park City after work! Buy a set of lights to carry with you to deal with your friend's buddy along for the ride who doesn't carry any tools or a spare tube and changing a flat tire turns into a 50 minute Larryfest taking the ride well into the dark hours when the shadow people come out. You'll have a lot of fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider

    1. Who 'owns' the Bobsled and why?
    This could be a continuation of the debate as to who physically owns the deed to the land it's on. Those who think they know who own the land, but aren't certain. Those who feel they 'own' it due to age and/or number of years riding it OR those who feel they 'own' it due to number of hours spent building stunts, etc....
    I'll play!

    So I did a lot of investigation into this last winter. Below are my findings.

    It's super complicated, but I'll summarize and provide my detailed evidence as required upon being shown a valid subpoena. Basically the portions of Bobsled that are privatly owned are the property of the LDS Church, kind of... The land purchase was primarily funded with tax free donations derived from the buying and selling of Specilized Bicylce and Coca-Cola company shares. The remainder of the funding was gathered in secret fund raisers consisting of the LDS Church, Save Our Canyons, The Sierra Club, NoBrow and Contender. There may have been some Tea Party Express/Sarah Palin/Glenn Beck money in there as well in an effort to slow down the socialization or the left wing's communist Nazi-ism, as a lot of the MTB community tends to lean to the left it seems, but that trail gets murkey... But anyway after the puchase the land was donated to large family of Polynesian immigrants (legal though) to be used for pig roasts, but oddly they haven't gotten to it yet becasue every time they go to modify the rusted out cars into pig grillin' pits some jacktard rebuilds the jumps on therm...


    You have no idea how deep this goes, it's crazy

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    P.S. That ought to give SLCRMR something to play with... I think I hit nearly everything he hates, and some that he doesn't...
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    Bastard!

    You did make one mistake though: I actually enjoy saying and the notion of 'Polynesian pig grillin' pits' when refering to the Bobsled. You also left out just how much I dispise the Dutch and Red Dye #3 and #4.



    Bobsled Talking Points #506:

    Best place to build and rebuild a Polynesian pig grillin' pit on the Bobsled?
    It just rolls off the tongue.





    There are Polynesians on the Bobsled?
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    Even/Odd Day Bobsleddery and the 'Conditions' debate

    Since my Thread isn't being taken seriously, I'd like to propose a situation and also discuss a situation.

    Firstly, how does an even/odd day on the Bobsled much like that in Upper Millcreek (known from here on out as UM) sound? On even days the freeriders can pull and shape dirt all along the center line of Main Street Bobsled to create whatever sort of freeridery they wish to session. On odd days those who aren't advanced enough nor have the desire to session anything, can shovel all the dirt back onto the sidelines and take a broom to the burned in Main Street Bobsled? Of course, we can change the nature of the days and switch them if one feels that the odd day should hold the jumps, etc...

    Secondly, I feel another benefit to doing such a thing, as well as an uphill traffic only day held once or thrice a year would decrease the amount of dust the Bobsled puts into the atmosphere as polution.

    Thricely, Age limits. I strongly feel there should be a minium and maxium age for riders on the Bobsled as well as a height requirement. I also strongly feel that during your 36th year one should be forced to skip riding the Bobsled for said calendar year. This will decrease traffic of the young and the elderly and also create an experience free of anyone in their mid-30's.

    Thanks.



    I'd also be interested in hearing any thoughts on banning the Bobsled from even existing or have existed.

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    i dont thinnk the bobsled shuld be baned. i ride it about 5 times a week.
    not anti-bobsled

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    Think someone missed the point.

    Ok, so that's one vote Against the Bobsled.

    Quote Originally Posted by can't get right
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    Seriously, how many times must this image be rehashed on MTBR ? I think the first time I saw this was like 4 years or so ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    d. Think someone missed the point.


    Unless the point of this thread was to fill the empty hole in your life now that the Humdinger is over I guess I did.

    Furthermore, I think it's hilarious that you ( and others) are spending any time worrying about such a small and relatively useless piece of trail. I have not spent one nano second missing that ride since I left No. Utah.

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    Strike Two!

    Quote Originally Posted by can't get right
    Unless the point of this thread was to fill the empty hole in your life now that the Humdinger is over I guess I did.

    Furthermore, I think it's hilarious that you ( and others) are spending any time worrying about such a small and relatively useless piece of trail. I have not spent one nano second missing that ride since I left No. Utah.
    Like I said and you quoted, you missed the point...that's twice now.

    I'd say go back and reread what has been posted here, but given your first response it's obvious you didn't bother and instead just made an ass of yourself. Furthermore, I think it's hilarious that you are spending time worrying about what others think about such a small and relatively useless piece of trail by responding seriously to an otherwise dumb thread about such a small and relatively useless piece of trail.

    Fairly certain this Thread was intended as a joke, but that ball was obviously pitched way over your head. You don't have to swing at those you know.

    And don't come crying to me in the Bobsled Thread all butt hurt that you missed out on the Humdinger. That's your own fault. Plus given your lack of creativity in posting up a dead image you wouldn't have made it anyway .

    You do bring up a valid debate though: No.Utah vs. So. Utah? Who's more 'core'? Really?

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    In response to no. 9 "where's the bobsled?", it's listed on utah's list of mountain bike trails all over different web sites. Was this trail supposed to be some sort of exclusive thing where only the cool bikers go?

    I gotta say, it's amazing how many people act like this trail is the only place in all of existence where they can perform whatever retarded task they have in mind and it's even more amazing how many "adults" act like children in some situations. Why in the hell would you want to run, walk, or hike a trail obviously made for bikes with people hauling ass down it constantly? And how can any mentally capable human being truly believe that they "own" a piece of ground that quite literally does not belong to them? The mind set in that area just boggles my mind.

    Perhaps these mormons don't get enough excitement in their lives and they have to create it elsewhere in the form of childish drama.

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    My favorite thing to do on "The Sled" (which brings up another questions, what is the best name or nickname for this trail?) is hike up and hit sections again and again. Which section of the sled is best to hike over and over again? I especially like to have my buddies take pictures and film me while doing this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
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    but that ball was obviously pitched way over your head. You don't have to swing at those you know.
    Thats funny sh#t right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by V-Dub
    My favorite thing to do on "The Sled" (which brings up another questions, what is the best name or nickname for this trail?) is hike up and hit sections again and again. Which section of the sled is best to hike over and over again? I especially like to have my buddies take pictures and film me while doing this.
    Ahh yes, the "YEAH BRO's". They stand to the side, take pics and yell "yeah bro" after you clear each hit. Gotta have those dudes around.

    If a gap is cleared and no one is there to yell "yeah bro" did it actually happen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    If a gap is cleared and no one is there to yell "yeah bro" did it actually happen?
    only every third tuesday, and only if there's an owl in a tree that has learned to hoot the sound for "DUUUUUUUUDDDEE!" other than that, i see no exceptions to this rule.

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    I'm so glad this Thread is back on track. In all fairness and hindsight, seeing as how this IS the Unofficial Bobsled Gripe thread can't_get_right had every right to throw down here as to what a waste or not a waste the Bobsled is to us unfortunate Northerners.

    I look forward to dodging V-Dub and his camera crews this fall along any one of the blind corners (my vision is going by the way so extra bonus crash footage with that one).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    Ahh yes, the "YEAH BRO's". They stand to the side, take pics and yell "yeah bro" after you clear each hit. Gotta have those dudes around.

    If a gap is cleared and no one is there to yell "yeah bro" did it actually happen?
    What about muttering a deep 'sweeeeeet' under their breath when someone, say V-Dub, does a no-handed Superman seatgrab and butters a side of toast over the second car????

    Legal Disclaimer: V-Dub only uses wheat or 12 grain bread during any stunt on the Bobsled, or 'the Sled'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    I look forward to dodging V-Dub and his camera crews this fall along any one of the blind corners (my vision is going by the way so extra bonus crash footage with that one).
    I think to say your vision is "going" is a bit of an understatement.



    75th talking point: Are bifocals appropriate eyewear for "the sledula"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. welcorn
    75th talking point: Are bifocals appropriate eyewear for "the sledula"?
    I think this goes back to Jib and Chumley losing a nickle earlier this summer on lower Bobsled/the Sled/Sledula. Would it have helped them find said nickle sooner had they been wearing an eye device with binoculars on the lower half of the lense?

    Maybe.

    Would it have helped them find said nickle quicker and thus allow other riders to enjoy Bob's Sled without two chubby kids laying in the middle of it digging around in the dust sooner?

    Probably.

    Which brings up the next Bobsled Talking Points:

    Do chubby people do more damage to the Bobsled both to the old school line and the new school jumps/stunts/freeriderery?

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    I need a key to the bobsled gate can anyone lend me one for this weekend?

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    Here is the kind of crap I'm talking about. I have multiple photogs (that is short for photographers for all you not so famous people out there) obviously taking some sweet shots of me shreddin' the gnar. Meanwhile SLCRMR is heading UP 'The Sled' harshing my mellow. This kind of garbage needs to stop. How am I ever going to rekindle my superstar status if I can't even get a good photo shoot in?


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    Quote Originally Posted by V-Dub
    Meanwhile SLCRMR is heading UP 'The Sled' harshing my mellow. This kind of garbage needs to stop. How am I ever going to rekindle my superstar status if I can't even get a good photo shoot in?
    Wait. Doesn't the Bobsled start behind Shriner's Hospital and climb up to the Shoreline???

    I don't know how you guys get up enough speed to jump those cars as I can't sprint uphill fast enough .

    I really do enjoy that first, sandy, short DH section down to the tiny ditch with the tiny wooden jump someone installed backwards-it's my favorite section but it's only 50 ft long. I guess you're supposed to bunnyhop the ditch and land on the wooden transition on the backside?
    If you haven't noticed, there are two super steep, but short climbs off to the right a short ways up from that transitional bunnyhop landing device. I've seen tire tracks going up them a ways then they stop and start back up on the ledge that looks like another dirt bunnyhop landing space. That's a hugely vertical space to bunnyhop . Crazy how good the groms are these days.

    The Bobsled is very confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruda911
    I need a key to the bobsled gate can anyone lend me one for this weekend?
    you can borrow mine but its stuck on a chian to my pants so youl have to take my pants to. my mom washed them with the chain and bobsled key on it an it rusted shut.
    not anti-bobsled

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    So tell me about this Billsled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neongreen


    So tell me about this Billsled.
    You should be able to find all your answers within Chumley's bedroom.


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    I've waisted part of my life I will never get back... the bobsled trail blows.. the end!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcgrew
    I've waisted part of my life I will never get back... the bobsled trail blows.. the end!
    do your pants fit better, at least?

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    Rode a big, long rutted line of dirt yesterday evening. Excuse me, the Bobsled. It was a fitting end to a ride with lungs filled with smoke and ash from the fire out west.
    The bottom half is in fine form though for a moment I thought I was on fire and had to stop, drop and roll. False alarm.
    I can't wait for the first person to get taken out by a downhiller going mach on all those new criss crossing sections towards the bottom. I hope he or she is a MTBR member or at least creates an account to post a rant about it and their experience getting their fjorks and shocks serviced at Jans in Park City, then never return.

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    Had a mild get-off on the 'Sled today while training for 'cross season. If anyone finds an ODI end cap right around the berm, please put it aside and I'll ride up it backwards to grab it.

    Also, if anyone knows of a decent frame painter who can buff a slight twist out of my 'cross frame I'd appreciate it. Made the mistake of trying to double up the cars and landed a bit short. Need to get this blemish out before 'cross season starts.


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    Chumley's New Bobsled Booter

    Chumley was up building another jump on Bobsled yesterday evening. If you guys get a chance you should session it. Here's the dong cam footage we took of the first attempt.

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    Apparently some of the XC old schoolers weren't too happy of another booter right in the middle of the original line and things got a bit heated.

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    I think I saw Chumley the other day riding the 'Sled on a Pinarello Prince with a Monster T and a Campy group. Why didn't he tell me he'd taken up road riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleu
    I think I saw Chumley the other day riding the 'Sled on a Pinarello Prince with a Monster T and a Campy group. Why didn't he tell me he'd taken up road riding?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...#ht_500wt_1154
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    Bobsled Helmet Cam Footage

    Took this of Keitha (she was named after her dad) over the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Took this of Keitha (she was named after her dad) over the weekend.
    I was going to complain that your whole video was slanted to the right but then i saw your setup and can understand why.


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    Quote Originally Posted by climbingbubba
    I was going to complain that your whole video was slanted to the right but then i saw your setup and can understand why.

    Yeah, sorry about that. I normally use that setup for work-I track and video the migration of mice within rich people's homes-and need to make a few mods to it for mountain bike use. Seeing as how I have a weak neck it tends to cant to the right a bit.

    But thanks for posting your gripe within the Gripe Forum.

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    I feel like chiming in on an almost sarious-bisniss note, as I rode the vaunted b!tchsled for the first time in three years today.

    A) OMFG. OMFG. OMFG. The "new" top section, once a viable entrance compared to the original fall-line-of-death, has also become...well, shitty. Granted, it didn't help that I saw no less than three squadrons of our gaper brethren doing the high-post-foot-down-rear-wheel-locked shuffle down the rutted section. I attempted to help by explaining seatpost position and riding downhill to no avail.

    B) Features? Jesus. Half-baked, decaying, and with runouts/landings less forgiving than Whitney Houston's cooter. I will readily admit that I've forgotten how to go airborne after a few years of defecting to the pavement, but *****. Building landings that run into the "main" trail at a perpendicular angle=brilliant, btw. If only this misguided effort were put into rescuing the top section of the trail.

    C) Yes, I look cooler than you (even in purple BDU shorts and my road helmet) when I do laps on the trail and up Terrace Hills faster than you can shuttle it. Also, gromulin who knocked the bike I was on (while ogling it) over into a rock at the top bench without apologizing. You suck.

    D) I'm prepared to wield a shovel and some drainage piping in the spring to help things out in the nasty upper section, if anyone wants to join.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bleu
    I feel like chiming in on an almost sarious-bisniss note, as I rode the vaunted b!tchsled for the first time in three years today.
    Yep. I made the mistake of 'riding' it yesterday. I think a better description was bunnyhopping over the rut that comprises the main line a quarter of the way down 50 times. The middle section was ok, but then the bottom quarter is a big sand trap filled with loose golf balls now. There were so many new lines since my last riding it I started to get confused and scared (almost stopping to call Chumley's mom.)

    Here's the way I see it while offering helpful solutions:

    1. It's almost pointless to do anything to top of it now as it now just turns into a giant rut every Spring and Fall or after a week of heavy Summer rain. Which is obvious as it is a drainage and not really a 'trail' .
    2. Leave it as is for a year or so until all the high posters crash out on it and taco their front wheel one too many times and it becomes habit for them just to avoid it altogether while everyone else can practice their giant rut riding technique and then go slay Killian's Loop. Once Larry and his high posting stink bug crew stop skidding down it then go to town and fix it up.
    Like a fine wine, it may get better with age.
    3. We hold a pixie bike race down it. After negotiating it on a micro bike from the DI it will seem buff and fun on a regulation size mountain bike.
    4. Remove the bench. Just like the infamous bench midway on The Trail Formerly Known As The MidMountain Trail which was a magnet for the elderly, the Bobsled bench is just a magnet for dumb kids who's balls have yet to drop. Take them out of the equation and you get rid of the Tourettes Syndrome that's plaguing the middle and bottom section of that trail now.
    5. Blame it on Al-Qaeda so as to cover up a bigger conspiracy.
    6. Buy a Surly Pugsley and take the rut out of the equation with those giant snow tires.
    7. Just build a gap jump over the entire thing.
    8. Just have a stranger kick you in the junk and ride something better.

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    Didn't Make The List

    I just got through reading the Best Places To Retire In The US.

    Unfortunately, The Bobsled didn't make the list. Maybe next year. Looks like bleu will have to snort coke somewhere else in his old age.


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