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    Quote Originally Posted by cemeb4dk View Post
    A couple of us midwesterners are planning a trip to Moab over memorial day weekend. Any must do trail suggestions, I just watched a video of the whole enchilada over at bike rags site and was very impressed but bummed it wont be open most likely when we are there.

    Any help would be appreciated.
    I would still look at doing The Whole Enchilada. If Burro pass is not open, you can always do from Hazard county down (about 21 miles). You miss the high alpine single track, but still amazing. Should be good by then.

    Also, MAG 7 is incredible and newer. It is a combination of 7 different trails that equal about 26ish miles of pure radness. It is about 80% down 20% up with a ton of variety. Also, if you like technical stuff, do amasa back/rockstacker/jacksons it's a LOT fun.

    If you have never ridden the Slickrock trail, it is so different and famous, you should add that to the list..

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    Thanks for taking the time to reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cemeb4dk View Post
    A couple of us midwesterners are planning a trip to Moab over memorial day weekend. Any must do trail suggestions, I just watched a video of the whole enchilada over at bike rags site and was very impressed but bummed it wont be open most likely when we are there.

    Any help would be appreciated.
    The Whole Enchilada is awesome and if you can do it when you are here you will not be disappointed. The snow is pretty sparse this year so might have a real shot at it. But you know, if you don't get to do it this trip, there are a lot of really awesome trails in the area and you will be very happy with what you find here. Amasa Back is my personal fave, but different styles will like different trails. Porcupine Rim is a favorite, the Slickrock Trail is pretty fun, Sovereign is fun... They are all very different too so if you just talk to a bike shop and tell them what kind of riding you like they can match you up with something similar.

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    see utahmountainbiking.com if you havent already.

    makes for good reading and their trail descriptions are spot on.(no affiliation, I just think they do a good job).

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    Thanks you guys rock. We are looking forward to it, and in early planning stages. We all ride hardtails here, but thinking of renting out there and just going with a full squish, but there is that certain comfort level you have on your own bike.

    The plan is to have 2 to 2-1/2 days of full riding before we have the long drive back. So we have to be smart with our trail selection, and you guys have been super helpful.

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    Cool. I usually go down there that weekend as well with my brother. You mention riding hardtails and I am not a hardtail hater or anything; however, for Moab you are def. going to want a full suspension especially on amasa and the whole enchillada. I have ridden amasa and Porc rim (end of the whole enchilada) on a hardtail and it was brutal. Improved skills.. Yes, helped with line choice.. .Yes. Woudl I do it again....NEVER. You might be okay for the first few miles, but the next 25 you will be regretting it... Just a heads up. There are other trails there you can do with a HT just fine though

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    just looking for some information on accommodation in or around Moab. i have a group of guys heading over late october early september for a couple weeks and we are looking for a nice holiday house to rent out in a good location near some nee trails. also do you know if anybody is doing catered holidays. have done a search and couldn't really find anything.

    thanks

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    I am heading to the eastern part of Colorado next week. Depending on trail conditions there, I'm also contemplating driving to Moab for a few days. How are the trails during the winter? Would it be worth the drive? Riding at Moab has been a life-long dream. Would riding there in the winter skew the fabled image I have of Moab in my mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigzebra View Post
    I am heading to the eastern part of Colorado next week. Depending on trail conditions there, I'm also contemplating driving to Moab for a few days. How are the trails during the winter? Would it be worth the drive? Riding at Moab has been a life-long dream. Would riding there in the winter skew the fabled image I have of Moab in my mind?
    Winter in Moab is better than Summer in Moab, my friend. If the sun is out, Winter riding on the slickrock can't be beat. Check the weather before you head over and if its not supposed to rain or snow on the day you plan to ride, don't miss it. Even if its supposed to be really cold, the way the sun hits the rock makes it feel warmer than it is. Just don't go if its snowing or raining. In my opinion, those conditions would taint your experience. Winter in Moab is kind of a secret though. Some of the restaurants and hotels in town close because people don't go to Moab in Winter. For biking though, that means no lines of bikers waiting their turn for the next wild stunt on the Slickrock Trail, more places to park, cheaper hotels (if that's your thing), among other benefits. I think you'll have a great time if the weather works out for you.

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    Moab is hit or miss in the winter. But the hits are more frequent than the misses. It is not too unusual to be riding in shorts in January, nor is it unusual to be snowed on. Checking the weather is a good idea, but Moab sitting under the La Sals can make it's own weather. So sometimes it's just worth a gamble. Moab in general has more riding days in winter than days you shouldn't ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by axolotl View Post
    Moab is hit or miss in the winter. But the hits are more frequent than the misses. It is not too unusual to be riding in shorts in January, nor is it unusual to be snowed on. Checking the weather is a good idea, but Moab sitting under the La Sals can make it's own weather. So sometimes it's just worth a gamble. Moab in general has more riding days in winter than days you shouldn't ride.
    I've worn tights twice this winter. Kneepads help a bit, but still. December started out a bit colder and over cast like, since then it's been awesome. Rode in shorts and a tshirt yesterday.

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    Thanks for the info guys! If I do make the jog over, which trails do you recommend I hit? I'm from Saint Louis and have a hard tail 29er. I've only ridden Midwest trails, so I can't say I've ever experienced anything as epic like Moab.

    And how about camping or cheap lodging? And who has awesome food (and beer)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigzebra View Post
    Thanks for the info guys! If I do make the jog over, which trails do you recommend I hit? I'm from Saint Louis and have a hard tail 29er. I've only ridden Midwest trails, so I can't say I've ever experienced anything as epic like Moab.

    And how about camping or cheap lodging? And who has awesome food (and beer)?
    Recommend leaving the hard tail and renting a bike appropriate for the terrain. Hard tails are just bad for Moab. You may see people taking issue with this, but it is still the best advice for enjoying Moab. A good trail bike will be a blast. 5" suspension and trail geometry is a minimum. All the bike shops rent good bikes. But know that the reason some of them carry xc bikes is not because they think xc bikes are good for moab - it is because people pay money to rent them and won't be talked into something that is better.
    Beer is at the liquor store (mc stiffs is not the place- the brewery is better)
    Food is at Milt's
    Cheap lodging is at the Lazy Lizard
    Free camping is out of town around the sovereign trail
    Trails - hit the ones that are ridable at the time. Winter has riding limitations

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigzebra View Post
    Thanks for the info guys! If I do make the jog over, which trails do you recommend I hit? I'm from Saint Louis and have a hard tail 29er. I've only ridden Midwest trails, so I can't say I've ever experienced anything as epic like Moab.

    And how about camping or cheap lodging? And who has awesome food (and beer)?
    Renting a bike for a day or two isn't a terrible suggestion. Don't listen to people who say an XC bike won't work here. Your 9er will work just fine, just the constant thudding of a HT might get a little much at some point

    Just passed the motel 6 on the North end of town. 39.99 a night. Seems pretty good to me. The hostel is even cheaper.

    I like Paradox for pizza. Truly east coast "city" style if you're familiar. Milts is a good burger/fries outdoor type place. I also like hole in the wall mexican place south of town - Mi Ranchito I think it's called. Both the brewery and Eddies are average at best, so is the beer in UT. No difference here. At least it's fairly cheap.

    Amasa is one of my favorites. Also seems to be the warmes with the exception of rockstacker and jacksons being a bit more shaded. But really, bot a whole lot of snow right now so anything but the La Sal stuff is an option right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
    Renting a bike for a day or two isn't a terrible suggestion. Don't listen to people who say an XC bike won't work here. Your 9er will work just fine, just the constant thudding of a HT might get a little much at some point

    Just passed the motel 6 on the North end of town. 39.99 a night. Seems pretty good to me. The hostel is even cheaper.

    I like Paradox for pizza. Truly east coast "city" style if you're familiar. Milts is a good burger/fries outdoor type place. I also like hole in the wall mexican place south of town - Mi Ranchito I think it's called. Both the brewery and Eddies are average at best, so is the beer in UT. No difference here. At least it's fairly cheap.

    Amasa is one of my favorites. Also seems to be the warmes with the exception of rockstacker and jacksons being a bit more shaded. But really, bot a whole lot of snow right now so anything but the La Sal stuff is an option right now.
    Thanks for the response!

    Is all of the beer in Utah 3.2%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigzebra View Post
    Thanks for the response!

    Is all of the beer in Utah 3.2%?
    Keg beer is 3.2%.
    Grocery store or gas station beer is 3.2%.
    You will need to go to a liquor store to find proper beer. A bar can server proper beer, but it will all be bottles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nord1899 View Post
    Keg beer is 3.2%.
    Grocery store or gas station beer is 3.2%.
    You will need to go to a liquor store to find proper beer. A bar can server proper beer, but it will all be bottles.
    Totally absurd, but that's the 411. Buy beer in Colorado or whatever neighboring state you pass through to get here

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    Hey, thanks again everyone for all of your advice! It was really great help.

    For those interested I stayed at the Big Horn Lodge (free wi-fi, decent mattresses, fridge). My first evening I rode the Moab Brand trails just to get a taste. My second day I rode the Amasa Back. I made the mistake of going UP the Jackson trail (I also came very close to an untimely death after a pedal strike). Last day I did the Slickrock trail.

    I did find that my skills were lacking though, so that's enough motivation for me to ride more back in the Midwest.

    My favorite places to eat were MIlt's and Lovemuffin Cafe for breakfast.

    Additional props to the guy (I forgot his name) at Uranium Bicycles. Very cool dude and extremely helpful. He'll get business from me any time I come back through Moab.

    Another note: I didn't find an unfriendly person my entire time in Moab. From the gas station, to the resteraunts, to every local I had the pleasure of meeting, all were beyond friendly.

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    Ok I think I got our Memorial day Trip planned out. We will be arriving late afternoon Thursday, after a 19 hour straight thru drive, I'm sure it will be eat and sleep that day. So riding we have Friday, Sat, and Sunday. I know we are going to ride Burro Pass (whole enchilada as much as its open) then next day Mag 7 and then Sunday Slick Rock. Renting bikes from Poison Spider and using Porcupine shuttle. Just need to figure a place to stay.

    ANy veterans or locals see any issues with my plan, and or make any suggestions. We are Moab newbs. Thanks in advance

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    Burro pass will more than likely still be under several feet of snow. With this crazy winter anything is possible, though.
    Ride On!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cemeb4dk View Post
    Ok I think I got our Memorial day Trip planned out. We will be arriving late afternoon Thursday, after a 19 hour straight thru drive, I'm sure it will be eat and sleep that day. So riding we have Friday, Sat, and Sunday. I know we are going to ride Burro Pass (whole enchilada as much as its open) then next day Mag 7 and then Sunday Slick Rock. Renting bikes from Poison Spider and using Porcupine shuttle. Just need to figure a place to stay.

    ANy veterans or locals see any issues with my plan, and or make any suggestions. We are Moab newbs. Thanks in advance
    Even if Burro is closed, plan on doing the shuttle. They'll most likely drop you at the top of Hazard County or UPS. Both still great options and you'll get plenty of riding in. Because Moab is so far from SoCal we usually did two rides a day, except for the day we rode TWE. Slickrock can done in the morning and then an afternoon ride at Bartlett's Gemini Bridges or some other moderate ride. I've been 4 times and will head out there again this fall. One suggestion I might offer, On your way through CO, you may want to do a short ride in Fruita. Something like Mary's loop or Moore fun on the way to or from Moab is good way to add another fun destination on your route and it's right off the freeway. Certainly Moab is the highlight, but Fruita is fun in it's own right.

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    Heading to Moab for spring break with a crew of 6, should be there on the 11th of March, how is the snow looking on The Whole Enchilada? How bout camping options? Porqupine shuttle operating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Hickey View Post
    Heading to Moab for spring break with a crew of 6, should be there on the 11th of March, how is the snow looking on The Whole Enchilada? How bout camping options? Porqupine shuttle operating?
    Just got in from riding UP Porcupine rim. Bits of snow in the shade. I din't make it to the top, but I suspect one could ride PR in a relative snow-free manner with the exception of maybe the beginning.

    In early March you'll be able to ride LPS>PR at best.

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    Moab Advice

    Planning my first trip to Moab and need some advice. My girlfriend and I will be passing through for a few days at the end of May and want to do some riding. We will have a rental car and the bikes will be at home unfortunately. What should we be looking into:

    Should we rent bikes, buy a trail map and explore on our own?
    Look into combined rentals & shuttle service?
    Guided trips/rides?

    We're fit and ride often, but are probably not looking for 8 hour plus all day rides.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdv View Post
    Planning my first trip to Moab and need some advice. My girlfriend and I will be passing through for a few days at the end of May and want to do some riding. We will have a rental car and the bikes will be at home unfortunately. What should we be looking into:

    Should we rent bikes, buy a trail map and explore on our own?
    Look into combined rentals & shuttle service?
    Guided trips/rides?

    We're fit and ride often, but are probably not looking for 8 hour plus all day rides.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Sounds like you have choice but to reent. Plenty of places to do so. I'd call ahead to make sure you get what you want. I am not aware of any rental/shuttle package deals...

    Seems like the guided services appeal more to the beginner/intermediate level riders. If you spend a little time doing research, but a map or stop into a shop or two route finding on many of the rides around here is totally doable.

    If you have further questions or concernes about a certain ride, you can always check back here and if you are lucky, find someone to ride with. If you are unlucky, it'll be me

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    So it's fairly easy to find trailheads? Are most trails well marked/signed? Ie. what is the out-of-towner likely to get lost factor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdv View Post
    Planning my first trip to Moab and need some advice. My girlfriend and I will be passing through for a few days at the end of May and want to do some riding. We will have a rental car and the bikes will be at home unfortunately. What should we be looking into:

    Should we rent bikes, buy a trail map and explore on our own?
    Look into combined rentals & shuttle service?
    Guided trips/rides?

    We're fit and ride often, but are probably not looking for 8 hour plus all day rides.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Renting bikes is a good idea. I've only rented and taken shuttle services from Moab Cyclery. Good guys and decent prices and bikes. My wheel blew up the last time I was out there and they were renting C'dale Rize 3's. The price was $45 a day. They also had some premium rentals, I think SC Nomads for $65. As far as buying a map and exploring, I would suggest picking trails before you get there as there are soooo many options. Slickrock is closest to town and is fun, unique and full of photo ops, 2 hours or less of riding. Porcupine rocks, and can be done in 3 hours or less, with the shuttle, but this is a world class downhill trail and it's not like anything you have back home, wherever home is. Bring your A game. It's 99% rideable, you just need to know when to get off and walk down something. If the upper portion from Hazard County or UPS is running try that option as it adds miles, scenery and is not much more difficult. Do some research on other trails and pick out ones that sound interesting to you. Sovereign is good, but definitely figure out what sections you plan to ride. Gemini bridges, the ride is not amazing as it's mostly fireroad, but the payoff of riding over bridges is cool.

    Check this link for trails and maps: Utah Mountain Biking - Trails, Information, Repairs

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdv View Post
    So it's fairly easy to find trailheads? Are most trails well marked/signed? Ie. what is the out-of-towner likely to get lost factor?
    It really varies widely. Places like Slickrock, Brand trails, intrepid pipedream it's impossible to get lost. Ok, nothing is impossible, but if you are een remotely familiar with maps or trails systems, these are all real well marked and really don't venture to far.

    Places like Klondike area, Sovereign, Porcupine rim and extras are all marked well, but leave a little more room for confusion. Amasa is similar but some of the extra stuff can get a little confusing for someone not familiar with the area. Even the Mag 7 to Gemini has seen great improvements with sinage.

    As far as getting lost. Be smart. Carry a map and when in doubt, backtrack. THere really endless info one these forums about trail recommendations, route finding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerider2 View Post
    Gemini bridges, the ride is not amazing as it's mostly fireroad, but the payoff of riding over bridges is cool.]
    A portion of the Mag 7 trails are in the same area, cross the gemini road numerous times, and would be highly recommended. There are a variety routes that you can shuttle, loop, or turn into an all day epic. Unfortunately the actual gemini bridges are now closed to bike traffic, but is a short hike from the parking area if you want to do some sightseeing
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    So are there many trails that can be ridden to from town? We will have a rental car, but I'm having trouble finding a rental company in SLC that will provide a rack.

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    Personally, I'd swap the car for a van and take the middle seats out. That's worked for my buddy and me whenever we have flown into SLC. It would be a bit of a drag without a vehicle unless you are willing to pony up for shuttle service. Slickrock, Pipe Dream & Moab Rim are pretty convenient from town. Amasa Back is less so and Poison Spider even less so yet. Brands Trails, Sovereign, Klondike & Mag 7 from Highway 191 are all a long uphill ride on the rec path from town. Traditional Porc Rim loop is about a 30 mile loop from town, including 10 miles of steady up hill on Sand Flats Rd. Hope this helps with your planning!

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    Moab actually isn't' a great ride-from-town destination. You'll get a whole lot more out of it if you have wheels to get you to the trail heads.

    I know some of the shops rent racks!

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    my wife and I spent 3 days in Moab during this past september as on of the stops on our cross country trip. We rented bikes and a rack(for a '11 outback) from Poision Spyder. Spent a day riding the Moab Brands trail area and had a blast! This is a place I will come back to!

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    Hey everyone,
    I was wondering if y'all had any suggestions for new trails in the area; our school (Idaho State University) takes a trip down to Moab every spring break; we rock climb and mountain bike, with the trails that we ride typically being: klondike bluffs, amasa back, slick rock and porcupine rim. We try to encourage all of our participants to have previous mountain biking experience, but the experience range usually varies. Are there any new trails that we should be aware of before coming down that are exciting and should be ridden? Any info would be great; we're all super excited to be coming down again (especially those of us that aren't really skiers and like to mountain bike more).

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    Any updates on trail conditions on UPS, Porcupine? Does anyone know if the trail off the back side of Amasa back to the river is passable? (Not sure of the name) Anybody been down the Portal lately? Any other new trails to try beside gold bar, sovereign, poison Spider that you would be willing to share. :') THANKS.

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    This is also a great guide to riding in Moab and it will fit in your camelback!

    5th EDITION PROMO - ridermel

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    I'm heading to Moab in a week I have the fourth edition of that book. Did the fifth edition change much? I know there are a lot of new trails and I'm hoping to ride them (Mag 7, Pipe ?). Are they in this edition Eric?

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    I have the 3rd or 4th edition myself and the Mag 7 complex is not in there. I would assume that it is in the new 5th edition, but am not certain on that one. I would e-mail Mel from his site to ask him

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    Aside from this:

    5th EDITION PROMO - ridermel
    and this
    Utah Mountain Biking - Trails, Information, Repairs

    Are there any other good resources for picking trails and planning rides for the first-timer that people would recommend?

    Thanks,

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    MAG 7 is in the 5th edition.

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    This may have been mentioned already, but if you are camping for more than a few days there are showers at the (fairly) new rec center. It costs $3 for unlimited time and the locker rooms are clean. There aren't any soap dispensers, so you need to bring your own. Also, the rec center is pretty nice, especially the pools (indoor and outdoor).

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    Just got back, rec center is great for showers! Lost the urge to be dirty for long periods a while back
    Also, there is free filtered water at Gearheads in the middle of town- we used them quite a bit and bought a few things to say "thanks".
    As of 4/5/12 we were able to get up to the top of UPS with the shuttle, could be even better now.
    Also, were there during Jeep Safari, and I think it added to the experience. Not overcrowded in my opinion, just more fun stuff to do! Man, I love Moab!

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    Florida / Moab exchange rate

    Alright, so I'm an intermediate weekend rider in Florida (87' above sea level) who has decided to make Moab my 1st real MTB trip with a couple of friends, 1 of sim experience, 1 with years more road and off-road riding and fitness. None of us have ridden big stuff, up or down. The trip is May 14-19 and planes and vans and stuff are booked. We are all completely stoked about the trip, and I want to try to make it a winner, since it was my crazy idea.
    Obviously the elevation of 4000-10,000' is going to be interesting. And I don't like heights. More than a dislike, actually - more like a 'curl into the fetal position and freeze' and 'my palms sweat when looking at some of the trail pics on the edge of a 5000' chasm' sort of reaction. Yeah, Moab might have been overshooting it a bit. Oh, and rider #3 has booked a shuttle to the Whole Enchilada for our last day of riding, for which Rider Mel practically ensures my demise from a crash, actual or imagined.
    Florida obviously doesn't have mountains - trails tend to be flat and tight, with some surprisingly rocky and tech stuff from phosphate digging. 20-30' is about the limit of ledge drop.
    So, getting to the title: there is going to be a 'riding rate of exchange' from Florida to Moab, and I want to do whatever I can to have the correct currency. Thinking about guides, or at least skills clinics or something for the fist day or two to acclimate to the area a bit. Suggestions there?
    I was liking the looks (on paper) of Rider Mel's 'North Beaver Mesa to Onion Creek' - a decent day ride, mostly mellow downs with limited exposure. Thoughts on this ride and suggestions for something similar? I know myself well enough to know the Enchilada is a freakin' pipe dream and maybe I'll be jet boating that day instead, and this trip is about RIDING trails, not WALKING them.
    Oh, and my buddies are renting, but I'm bringing my bike: Stumpjumper 29er which is finally my perfect bike and should be able to handle most anything I have nerve enough to ride.
    I have a month to prepare and schedule... Thanks for any input.

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    Start with easy trails progress to harder ones.

    check out utahmountainbiking.com for trail descriptions, also. They are almost up to date on even the newest trails. I usually consider their evaluations and opinions spot on, on trails I ride every day and know like the back of my hand, so I'm a discriminating critic.(disclaimer:no affiliation of any sort).

    You didnt mention if your stumpy 29er was FSR

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    I saw that link a couple of times and am checking it out - thanks.

    Yeah, it's a '12 FSR Carbon Expert. Couple of other tweaks to suit me (carbon Roval wheels, Syntace bars, different stem, grips, saddle - the norm) I'm fortunate in my abilities to play with the nice stuff. Still, equipment doesn't make up for lack of fitness or ability, despite my best efforts.

    Quick Q: Tires? I'm running Nobby Nics on Stumpy and have Geax Saguaro's on my HT 'goof-off' bike - suggestions one way or another, or something altogether different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wogster View Post
    I saw that link a couple of times and am checking it out - thanks.

    Yeah, it's a '12 FSR Carbon Expert. Couple of other tweaks to suit me (carbon Roval wheels, Syntace bars, different stem, grips, saddle - the norm) I'm fortunate in my abilities to play with the nice stuff. Still, equipment doesn't make up for lack of fitness or ability, despite my best efforts.

    Quick Q: Tires? I'm running Nobby Nics on Stumpy and have Geax Saguaro's on my HT 'goof-off' bike - suggestions one way or another, or something altogether different?
    I ride in Moab quite often and a good way to get acclimated to the different terrain, I would check out the trail networks off of Klondike bluffs (Klondike, EKG etc) and the Moab brand trails on utahmountainbiking.com ( my suggestions: LAZY EZ, Deadmans ridge, circle O, bar B, and rockin A, DO NOT just ride BAR M it is a dirt road) These trails are not too crazy, but will help you get used to the area and the different type of riding with pretty much no heights and zero cliff edges My roadie friend liked them a lot and was challenging enough to keep him on his toes, so it should be good for everyone to get used to. Klondike is an out n' back, UP then DOWN, but fun. There is a hike on the end if you choose to do it that over looks arches national park.

    You could spend a day riding those networks if you like that type of riding. If you are comfortable with that, check out slick rock and Amasa back. Super fun, more tech. You will probably want to walk the first part, but after that it will be fun. If you want another good full day ride, check out the Mag 7. Not as crazy as the whole enchildada, but will still challenge you and LOTS of fun.

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    Thanks, ggilings, that is looking like a great plan.

    Talking to the other guys, looks like we'll do Dead Horse Point's big loop on the first morn. Get some sight-seeing in, a mild ride to try to acclimate a bit. After that we'll do North 40 and some of the other Brand trails based on time and how we feel.

    2nd morning we'll do the Slickrock test loop and kind of play it by ear with other Brand trails and maybe Bull Run.

    Day 3 - my pals are still planning as much of THE as is ridable. More Youtube time has me thoroughly convinced otherwise. So, since they're shuttling, and I have the van, anyone want to hitch a ride into Cortez CO and ride Phil's World trails? I've heard great things, it seems more my speed (no cliffs to plummet off) and it's only about 40 minutes longer to get there than to shuttle to Burro Pass. Otherwise I'll ride some easy stuff again or catch a boat ride or something else tourist-y.

    Takers? This will be on Thurs May 17 - morning.

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    Wogster,
    If you are out riding slickrock, don't just do the test loop, do the whole loop. It is really a lot of fun and stunningly scenic and if you take it at a mellow pace can be done in well under 2 hours.

    I rode Phils World last year and it is a fun dedicated mtb trail system. That said, if you are traveling from FL to ride in Moab, ride in Moab! Seriously, Moab is hard to get to for most of us and deserves to be explored. The Sovereign trail system is just north of town and doesn't have the exposure of TWE. It has lots of options, so make sure you do a little research on the sections you want to ride (same if you decide to go to Phil's World). Also if you want some interesting reading on the area, pick up a copy of Desert Solitary, by Edward Abbey, great read and will make the area even more interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wogster View Post
    Thanks, ggilings, that is looking like a great plan.

    Talking to the other guys, looks like we'll do Dead Horse Point's big loop on the first morn. Get some sight-seeing in, a mild ride to try to acclimate a bit. After that we'll do North 40 and some of the other Brand trails based on time and how we feel.

    2nd morning we'll do the Slickrock test loop and kind of play it by ear with other Brand trails and maybe Bull Run.

    Day 3 - my pals are still planning as much of THE as is ridable. More Youtube time has me thoroughly convinced otherwise. So, since they're shuttling, and I have the van, anyone want to hitch a ride into Cortez CO and ride Phil's World trails? I've heard great things, it seems more my speed (no cliffs to plummet off) and it's only about 40 minutes longer to get there than to shuttle to Burro Pass. Otherwise I'll ride some easy stuff again or catch a boat ride or something else tourist-y.

    Takers? This will be on Thurs May 17 - morning.
    The trails near dead horse point is fun, fast, more flat and pretty flowy. I think it is the intrepid system.

    However, I agree with the post above. Don't just do the test loop on Slickrock. Being from FL it will seem like another planet and a must ride. You don't really ever ride on a cliff or anything unless you really want to. Also, Sovereign is a great suggestion! Super fun
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    The Whole Enchilada

    Going to be in Moab May 11th for a week and wondered if anyone can tell me how the snow pack on Burro Pass is? Can we get up there or start from a lower section to do the Whole Enchilada?

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    We were down there last weekend and rode Mag 7 to Blue dot and down the Portal. (a technical treat if you like adventure) They were shuttling the Whole Enchilada to the top of Kokopelli. Beyond that is still snowbound.

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    A question for the locals/regulars. We just booked our memorial day trip. we got 2 1/2 days riding planned. Room is booked, rental bikes reserved. Now my question is for shuttle service, and especially to the mag 7 trail. Is a shuttle required we will have a car with a rack, but is the mag 7 a loop or a point to point trail. We are planning to also ride the whole enchilada from Hazard down thinking that is all that will be open. and I understand that is a shuttle service.

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    ^^ Deffo get a shuttle for the mag 7 if you want to do the whole thing. Ours was $20.00 from coyote shuttles and they will let you drop your car off closer to the trail head instead of riding back into town..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggilings View Post
    ^^ Deffo get a shuttle for the mag 7 if you want to do the whole thing. Ours was $20.00 from coyote shuttles and they will let you drop your car off closer to the trail head instead of riding back into town..
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    ^^ Deffo get a shuttle for the mag 7 if you want to do the whole thing. Ours was $20.00 from coyote shuttles and they will let you drop your car off closer to the trail head instead of riding back into town..
    Are you planning on riding the whole thing over to Portal or out Gemini?

    If it's the latter, you *can* drive in (or ride in) Gemini and then do an out and back. The catch here is I can't with good conscious recommend doing it on a weekend with as much DH traffic I've seen lately. Even the week days have been busy lately!

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    Kind of an odd question, I live in the midwest so all we have is crosscountry mtb basically. I have never ridden in the terrain of Moab. My question is pedals? Now I have ridden clipless for about 17 years, do most ride platforms or clipless. I will be renting a bike, while I am totally confident in my abilities with clipless pedals, just wonderig what the norm is considering the conditions and trail types, this will be my first real Mt Biking experience, we are trail riders here int he midwest

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    Quote Originally Posted by cemeb4dk View Post
    Kind of an odd question, I live in the midwest so all we have is crosscountry mtb basically. I have never ridden in the terrain of Moab. My question is pedals? Now I have ridden clipless for about 17 years, do most ride platforms or clipless. I will be renting a bike, while I am totally confident in my abilities with clipless pedals, just wonderig what the norm is considering the conditions and trail types, this will be my first real Mt Biking experience, we are trail riders here int he midwest
    If you're comfortable using clipless, use clipless. Learning to ride flats in Moab would not be fun.. On really rocky trails, you will not worry about your feet as much as you would using flats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggilings View Post
    If you're comfortable using clipless, use clipless. Learning to ride flats in Moab would not be fun.. On really rocky trails, you will not worry about your feet as much as you would using flats.
    I mostly agree, although I often alternate between clipless and flats depending on the trail and I've never had trouble getting used to flats again after going clipless for a long stretch. Getting used to clipless on the other hand...

    I pretty much always ride clipless in Moab though. My Dad, on the other hand (in his 50s), usually uses his flats. The riding in Moab varies from very mellow, flat, easy stuff to crazy stuff meant only for the insane. I feel more comfortable knowing my feet are going to stay on the pedals, while my Dad feel more comfortable being able to put a foot out to steady himself if he needs to. I recommend keeping your clipless pedals on your bike and riding a medium intensity trail like Sovereign or Klondike Bluffs and see how you do. If you have doubts, bring along some flats and a pedal wrench and swap them out before your next ride.

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    Tech question: air pressure changes?

    Coming from FL to Moab - shipping the bike ground. Should I pull the air from the fork/shock and recharge up there? Since it's a pressurized system how much, if any, effect will local elevation have on my normal settings?

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    Your fork will be stiffer . I take the air out for more room and to protect the stanchions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wogster View Post
    Coming from FL to Moab - shipping the bike ground. Should I pull the air from the fork/shock and recharge up there? Since it's a pressurized system how much, if any, effect will local elevation have on my normal settings?
    Don't worry about it even a little.

    On that topic though - once you are in Moab you might try adjusting a bit. I usually run 2-3psi higher in my suspension in Moab simply because it is a lot rougher there than my local trails. It's nice down there on the ledges to have a little higher ride with less dive.

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    Thanks - hadn't considered that. Letting out air will allow for a more compact package. As a 29er, I'm already having to ship wheels/tires separately - not even close to fitting in the bike box.

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    Ok we need 1 more trail suggestion for our trip

    Memorial Day weekend, Friday we are riding Hazard county down, then Saturday Mag 7. We need something for Sunday's ride. Another not to be missed trail for a couple of midwestern flatlanders. We have a car with a rack, or shuttle if we need to.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cemeb4dk View Post
    Ok we need 1 more trail suggestion for our trip

    Memorial Day weekend, Friday we are riding Hazard county down, then Saturday Mag 7. We need something for Sunday's ride. Another not to be missed trail for a couple of midwestern flatlanders. We have a car with a rack, or shuttle if we need to.

    Thanks in advance.
    Unless you guys are really tough you will be pretty tired at this point, so I wouldn't push it too hard with this ride. The Slickrock Trail is a classic and not exactly easy, but nothing compared to the dramatic climb up to Gold Bar Rim on Mag 7. I would also have a plan to deal with the heat. Coming from the midwest you might not mind the dry heat, but it looks like temps might get into the 90s (that is the 10-day trend right now). There isn't a lot of shade down in Moab and the rocks like to bake. Hit the trails in the morning though and chill out in the later afternoon and you should be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cemeb4dk View Post
    Ok we need 1 more trail suggestion for our trip

    Memorial Day weekend, Friday we are riding Hazard county down, then Saturday Mag 7. We need something for Sunday's ride. Another not to be missed trail for a couple of midwestern flatlanders. We have a car with a rack, or shuttle if we need to.

    Thanks in advance.
    A few suggestions:
    1- Amassa Back - Sweet technical 5ish mile climb with various Down hill options; Out-n-back, Rockstacker 9Super Tech) or Jackson's. We usually do it as an out-n-back or jacksons.
    2- EKG - Newly formed Sweet Trail linked to the Klondike bluffs area. Shortish ride: Dino flow out, link to EKG, then down EKG to the trailhead.
    3- Sovereign Singletrack - Little climbing- sweet singletrack. up to 15ish miles.

    Check out utah moutain biking. com it has a lot of great information, look at the Trail section under Moab.
    To Escape the Heat;
    Two places are great; Mill Canyon swimming hole (15-20 minute hike) to a water fall and swimming hole. Professor Creek (9-10 ish mile hike) a semi-slot canyon hike through a small creek that ends in a waterfall. Both are fantastic.
    You can find directions on the blog "adventures in Utah" under Moab directions.

    Whatever you do, You're in Moab. You can't go wrong.

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    Thanks for the help, yes tiredness and the heat are all things we are considering. But this maybe a once in a lifetime trip for us, so I don't want to say Dam we should of hit that if you know what I mean. We will be riding at a casual pace and stopping to enjoy the surroundings and what not. Thanks again for the suggestions and the next week cannot go by quick enough.

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    I would say Amasa Back or Klondike/EKG. But if you haven't done Slickrock I would do that instead.

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    ok this maybe a stupid question, but never being out in that area of the country and being from the midwest. Are there any specific things to be aware of the moab trails, ie. snakes, and what not. Not that I am afraid or anything just was wondering if there was some things to keep an eye for and such.

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    Heading up there tonight. Have reservations for a shuttle at 7:30am tomorrow morning for the whole enchilada. Beyond excited. Going to be there sunday too, thinking about riding porc rim then hitting fruita on our way home.

    Anyone else going to be out there riding this weekend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJTransplant View Post
    Heading up there tonight. Have reservations for a shuttle at 7:30am tomorrow morning for the whole enchilada. Beyond excited. Going to be there sunday too, thinking about riding porc rim then hitting fruita on our way home.

    Anyone else going to be out there riding this weekend?
    Dress warm -- its gonna be cold at 11,000 feet. I guess Burro must be open now, then? I'm headed down there next month.

    You'll ride Porcupine Rim as part of TWE. If I were you I'd plan to ride something else on Sunday. Do Slickrock or Amasa Back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpalmer View Post
    Dress warm -- its gonna be cold at 11,000 feet. I guess Burro must be open now, then? I'm headed down there next month.

    You'll ride Porcupine Rim as part of TWE. If I were you I'd plan to ride something else on Sunday. Do Slickrock or Amasa Back.
    I just called Chile Pepper a couple days ago and asked about TWE...they said Burro Pass doesn't open to shuttles until July 1st, so I'm guessing he's only going as high as Hazard, which is open now. I'm probably going to leave TWE for early fall and stick to lower altitudes when I go out there next weekend.

    I'll second Amasa Back - that was a blast when I rode it last fall, and Slickrock is really cool too if you're looking for something wildly different from the front range.

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    Yea we're just going up to Hazard. I would have loved to wait to go the entire way but since i'm going to be out there I wanted to get in what I could.

    I didn't realize rim was part of TWE. Sounds like Amasa Back is the way to go then since i rode slickrock last year.

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    TWE in October and sandflats road

    I did a quick search in this forum but I have a few questions. A friend and I are planning a mid-October trip.

    We are looking to camp on sandflats with a small pop up camper-what are the rates and are there spaces for that size of camper or are they just tent sites?
    Any recommendations for a place to get a shower?

    We really want to hit the whole enchilada-how will the weather be holding up way up there?
    Will also hit slickrock and Mag-7 but I can't see those having any issues other than the unpredictable rain storms.

    Thanks...

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    just returned from a quick memorial day weekend in Moab. coming from the midwest, you guys/girls are lucky to have such awesome trails. I was impressed with everything about the town, from the food to the bike shops and general atmosphere of the town. our first day we rode hazard down and wow what a fun day. I think it took us about 5.5 hours and it was very windy all weekend. We stopped for a few breaks and lots of pics, the ride back to town sucked though... On day 2 we rode amasa back cliffhanger, another 60+ mph winds and blowing sand everywhere. it was a very tough climb up, but the ride downhill was worth it. On sunday we did the practice loop of slickrock park, just to say we did it, and then shot over to the brand trails and rode the north 40 trail which was a very fun nice flow trail, wanted to continue on but had to get bikes back and prepare for the 19 hour ride back home.

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    Hey All,

    Hope I'm not beating a dead horse, but planning an 8 day trip out to Moab Sept 2nd to 10th of this year. Here are my assumptions, and questions rolled up into them.

    Flying into/out of SLC, renting a vehicle. Any suggestion on a vehicle type? Might have one or two bikes with us. (question below about fly/ship bikes versus rent). Planning on not only riding, but also hiking and some white water rafting.

    Bringing girl friend, she's strong road rider on flats, working on hill/MTB skills this summer. She did a full Ironman a couple years ago and hikes/runs a bunch. I'm pretty strong singletrack rider, many years experience, race intermediate class cross country, and do lots of hills on both road and MTB. We're both from South Carolina, and used to 90 degrees, humid climate. Does this time of year we're going rule out any trails for being too hot for us?

    Bringing 2 to 3 liter camelbacks, plus 20 oz water bottles. Should this amount of water and time of year allow all trails to be ridden? The most riding we'd be doing in a day is maybe 3 to 4 hours.

    We're flying out from South Carolina. I've got a '10 Trek Fuel EX9. She's got a low end hardtail Gary Fisher. My bike should be fine out there, I could scare up a loaner full suspension for her to bring. Now, question is, would I/we be off better renting bikes, or paying to package and ship ours out? I'm figuring over the 8 days there, 5 will be riding, the others rafting or hiking. Is $45/day an average for a decent 5' travel bike out there?

    After reading this thread and other reviews, it sounds like Rustic Inn will work for us, thinking the single queen bed option will work for us. The idea of full bath, air conditioning, and a pool is nice. We'll rough it during the day, but nighttime we'd like some restful sleep. Any reason to not stay at this place?

    I assume the fun trails to ride are also fun to hike?

    What's good to raft out there? An hour drive or so is about as far as we'd want to drive to visit anything.

    I read the beer there is pretty bad, low alcohol percentage. The best is from out of state. We'll be eating out most of the time, do we need to look out of state for decent beer to keep in fridge? I love Fat Tire, of course...

    Thanks in advance,

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    Anyone? Would love a little feedback. It's first trip to Moab. Want it to be perfect.

    Thanks - Chuck
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckChurch View Post
    Hey All,

    Hope I'm not beating a dead horse, but planning an 8 day trip out to Moab Sept 2nd to 10th of this year. Here are my assumptions, and questions rolled up into them.

    Flying into/out of SLC, renting a vehicle. Any suggestion on a vehicle type? Might have one or two bikes with us. (question below about fly/ship bikes versus rent). Planning on not only riding, but also hiking and some white water rafting.

    Bringing girl friend, she's strong road rider on flats, working on hill/MTB skills this summer. She did a full Ironman a couple years ago and hikes/runs a bunch. I'm pretty strong singletrack rider, many years experience, race intermediate class cross country, and do lots of hills on both road and MTB. We're both from South Carolina, and used to 90 degrees, humid climate. Does this time of year we're going rule out any trails for being too hot for us?

    Bringing 2 to 3 liter camelbacks, plus 20 oz water bottles. Should this amount of water and time of year allow all trails to be ridden? The most riding we'd be doing in a day is maybe 3 to 4 hours.

    We're flying out from South Carolina. I've got a '10 Trek Fuel EX9. She's got a low end hardtail Gary Fisher. My bike should be fine out there, I could scare up a loaner full suspension for her to bring. Now, question is, would I/we be off better renting bikes, or paying to package and ship ours out? I'm figuring over the 8 days there, 5 will be riding, the others rafting or hiking. Is $45/day an average for a decent 5' travel bike out there?

    After reading this thread and other reviews, it sounds like Rustic Inn will work for us, thinking the single queen bed option will work for us. The idea of full bath, air conditioning, and a pool is nice. We'll rough it during the day, but nighttime we'd like some restful sleep. Any reason to not stay at this place?

    I assume the fun trails to ride are also fun to hike?

    What's good to raft out there? An hour drive or so is about as far as we'd want to drive to visit anything.

    I read the beer there is pretty bad, low alcohol percentage. The best is from out of state. We'll be eating out most of the time, do we need to look out of state for decent beer to keep in fridge? I love Fat Tire, of course...

    Thanks in advance,

    Chuck
    That's a lot of questions. I can't answer all of them but I can answer a few. For the rental vs ship question, Poison Spider Bike Shop has pretty typical prices for Moab rentals, and some pretty sick bikes. Just google "poison spider bike shop moab" and it will probably be your first hit. You can get a ton of the information you are looking for there.

    A typical week in September will probably be a good mix of hot and semi-hot weather. The nights will be really nice or possibly cool. Its a dry heat, so no humidity, but there are no trees and the rocks get really hot so it feels like an oven when it gets hot down there. I have had wonderful rides in September and I have been miserably hot at times. If the forecast is above 85 degrees, I would suggest you get your rides done in the morning and hang out by the river in the later afternoon before the rocks really start to bake. Most of the typical rides vary from short (3-4 miles) to medium length (8-14 miles). All of these can be done with a 2-3 liter camelback. Some longer trails, like The Whole Enchilada or Mag 7 are absolutely epic but you might want to throw an extra bottle of water or two into your camelback. There is no water along the trails once you drop out of the trees on TWE.

    Don't assume the bike trails are fun to hike. Slickrock, for example, would be annoying to hike because it just goes all over the place and is designed to be fun for bikes. If you plan to hike, look up hiking trails around Moab for recommendations, not biking trails. You might even restrict your hiking to Arches and/or Canyonlands. There are plenty of excellent trails and you don't have to share them with bikes.

    Westwater Canyon is an awesome raft trip, but it takes a full day. That is the shortest trip I know of down there that will get you some good rapids though. However, in September the water will probably be really low and it might not be that exciting. Call ahead. Check with the Moab Adventure Center (google it) for lots and lots of options.

    I can't tell you anything about the beer. I'm a Mormon. I don't know what's good and what's not. I think there are certain places/brands that offer normal alcohol content, but you have to get it at bars (you can't buy it in stores). I might be wrong on that. Good luck!

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    I can't tell you anything about the beer. I'm a Mormon. I don't know what's good and what's not. I think there are certain places/brands that offer normal alcohol content, but you have to get it at bars (you can't buy it in stores). I might be wrong on that. Good luck!
    There is a state run liquor store in town where you can get full strength beer, wine, and liquor. The beer is not sold cold, and are priced by the single. Gets a little pricey, but is available. If you have an opportunity to "import", it may not be a bad idea
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    Flying into/out of SLC, renting a vehicle. Any suggestion on a vehicle type? Might have one or two bikes with us.
    Well, it's getting really freaking expensive to ship and fly with bikes. I'd expect to spend at least 100clams each way for each bike. So you can figure it out from there. Keep in mind, Moab is particularly brutal on bikes. And personally, a week around here on a HT sounds awful to me. Again, your call there.

    Bringing girl friend, she's strong road rider on flats, working on hill/MTB skills this summer. She did a full Ironman a couple years ago and hikes/runs a bunch. I'm pretty strong singletrack rider, many years experience, race intermediate class cross country, and do lots of hills on both road and MTB.
    I lived in Northern New England for a long while and also actually lived in SC for one year. I found the riding down there far, far less technical then both of the former and a whole lot less climbing. When we lived in SC we regularly rode 20 miles in a couple hours. Aside form the shuttle runs and the Bar M, you could easily find yourself on a 10 mile ride that takes 2-3 hours.

    We're both from South Carolina, and used to 90 degrees, humid climate. Does this time of year we're going rule out any trails for being too hot for us?
    The dry heat does help to a point. But the big problem is there is no shade. As in pretty much zero, unless you are in the La Sals wich are quite difficult to navigate with the exception of the flagship enchilada.

    Bringing 2 to 3 liter camelbacks, plus 20 oz water bottles. Should this amount of water and time of year allow all trails to be ridden? The most riding we'd be doing in a day is maybe 3 to 4 hours.
    No way I could personally survice without a 3liter pack. My fiance regularly drinks hers AND a large nalgene even when it's not terribly hot. She's a bit of an oddity, but we both drink far more h20 even around the house.

    We're flying out from South Carolina. I've got a '10 Trek Fuel EX9. She's got a low end hardtail Gary Fisher. My bike should be fine out there, I could scare up a loaner full suspension for her to bring. Now, question is, would I/we be off better renting bikes, or paying to package and ship ours out? I'm figuring over the 8 days there, 5 will be riding, the others rafting or hiking. Is $45/day an average for a decent 5' travel bike out there?
    Seems like rentals are anywhere 45-70$ a day. You can rent a SC nickel for just over 200 bucks for the week from Moab Cyclery wich is hard to beat IMO. Or if you're a weight weenie, I suspect the same would be true for the superlight or whatever it is now..

    After reading this thread and other reviews, it sounds like Rustic Inn will work for us, thinking the single queen bed option will work for us. The idea of full bath, air conditioning, and a pool is nice. We'll rough it during the day, but nighttime we'd like some restful sleep. Any reason to not stay at this place?
    I really know nothing about hotels.

    I assume the fun trails to ride are also fun to hike?
    I like the hike up Moab rim. Relatively short and you get a great view of Moab from up top. Other then that, I'd spend my hiking time in Arches personally.

    What's good to raft out there? An hour drive or so is about as far as we'd want to drive to visit anything.
    No idea, though i'm sure any of the local outfits can help you out.

    I read the beer there is pretty bad, low alcohol percentage. The best is from out of state. We'll be eating out most of the time, do we need to look out of state for decent beer to keep in fridge? I love Fat Tire, of course..
    There is a long list of totally bizarre alcohol laws unique to UT. Don't try to understand them or why they exist. If you are coming here to drink, you are supremley confused .

    The cliff notes, that will indeed help you:
    -If it comes out of a tap, it's 3.2 beer
    -If you buy it anywhere other then the state liquor store, it's 3.2 - with one exception.
    -Restaurants will sell "high point" or something-a-rather in a bottle - which is not 3.2 beer.
    -No cold beer at the liquor store, plan accordingly
    -You buy by the bottle.
    -Yes, that's all they have.

    And finally, in terms of "good beer", that's certainly a preference situation, but there really isn't a whole lot I care for around here. The local brewery is fine. Nothing there really does it for me and that's kind of the story for the limited selection of UT beers. That beings said, I was overwhelmed with the selection in SC either. Only beer I really cared for there was Sweetwater IPA out of GA - but I digress.

    You can score CA and CO beer at the liquor store and if you're up near Fruita, you can get a whole lot more. I actually don't like fat tire, anything belgium or overly yeasty. If you like hops, grab some dales pale in a can or ska's Modus Hoperandi - Yum.
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    Thanks guys. That's all good info!!

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    Hey guys,

    Great thread, read through it, great info!

    I already posted this on the Vacations & Destinations forums, didnt really know the regional forums existed lol

    Basic questions are: What would you ride if this was the first time visiting Moab, and plan on being only 5 days there??? "Must ride trails" sort of thing...

    Say one ride a day stuff, up to 30km a day should be ok considering were going to have a whole week of riding every day (visiting the grand junction as well).

    Where's the cheapest place to stay?? we are going on a serious budget as all 3 of us are buying bikes for our trips to the states I'd like to consider every option. Hotels would be nice but we can camp if we have to. If so, what camping gear would we need to bring?? aside from a tent and the basic stuff off course.

    Here's my post just in case you can post here or there if you like...

    http://forums.mtbr.com/vacations-des...ps-797815.html

    Thank you so much in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigiugueto View Post
    Hey guys,

    Great thread, read through it, great info!

    I already posted this on the Vacations & Destinations forums, didnt really know the regional forums existed lol

    Basic questions are: What would you ride if this was the first time visiting Moab, and plan on being only 5 days there??? "Must ride trails" sort of thing...

    Say one ride a day stuff, up to 30km a day should be ok considering were going to have a whole week of riding every day (visiting the grand junction as well).

    Where's the cheapest place to stay?? we are going on a serious budget as all 3 of us are buying bikes for our trips to the states I'd like to consider every option. Hotels would be nice but we can camp if we have to. If so, what camping gear would we need to bring?? aside from a tent and the basic stuff off course.

    Here's my post just in case you can post here or there if you like...

    http://forums.mtbr.com/vacations-des...ps-797815.html

    Thank you so much in advance!
    As far as camping goes...

    -Sandflats is popular and close to town.
    -There are commercial type places in town. Just google.
    -Up 128, out Potash there is all sorts of BLM camping along the Colorado.

    Depending on when you arrive and how busy the weekend is, sandflats fills fast. Then eventually you'll find yourself going further and further out 128/potash.

    If you want free and private, drive N of town on 191 15-20 miles are turn right on Dalton wells or willow springs. There is a whole bunch of designated dispersed camping.

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    the cabins are the way to go for economic trips especially if you have a few friends going with you. They are like $50 and sleep 3-4

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    Sorry If I'm not seeing it, and I'm working on reading all 11 pages here,,,,

    but is there a link to the various trails at moab somewhere? with ratings of difficulty? I may be going in october with my wife who is intermediate rider (not into exposure or big drops)

    neither of us have been and wondering if there are trails she will enjoy as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlS View Post
    Sorry If I'm not seeing it, and I'm working on reading all 11 pages here,,,,

    but is there a link to the various trails at moab somewhere? with ratings of difficulty? I may be going in october with my wife who is intermediate rider (not into exposure or big drops)

    neither of us have been and wondering if there are trails she will enjoy as well...
    Utah Mountain Biking - Trails, Information, Repairs. Navigate to the Moab section of the website and you will have more information that you can handle.

    Gotta check out the Slickrock Trail, of course. There is a nice 1-mile practice loop there that your wife could try out, and if she can handle that then you could take her on the whole 13-mile loop. Sovereign is a fun ride with limited exposure and not-too-crazy drops and stuff. That should get you started.

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    Best bet for beginners is the Brand trails. Easy to get to, never too far from the car, well marked and some of the easiest terrain in the area. Klondike Bluff and the Intrepid trails are great too.

    Slickrock can be tough and certainly a workout. The practice loop is more like 2miles and the main loop is 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
    Best bet for beginners is the Brand trails. Easy to get to, never too far from the car, well marked and some of the easiest terrain in the area. Klondike Bluff and the Intrepid trails are great too.

    Slickrock can be tough and certainly a workout. The practice loop is more like 2miles and the main loop is 10.
    My Cateye rang in 13.2 miles last time I rode Slickrock, but that included the Practice Loop and Main Loop together. The full loop is a good workout, for sure, so if you go up that way make sure you are comfortable on the practice loop before attempting the main loop.

    Agreed that the Brand Trails are easiest. I just don't really like them very much, personally. Klondike is a decent beginner's ride, good amount of slickrock and fun downhill return for any skill level.

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    thnaks guys. Im sure she will be fine on slickrock. she can do 15-20 miles and she can walk anyhting really technical appreciate the help!

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    The big thing with SR is the ups are real steep. If you stall out 1/2 way, you are in a world of hurt and walking up these pitches can be almost as dangerous. So there's that.

    There is a whole mess of new trails from the last 12months or so and the Brand Trails and the Klondike Bluff area have gotten the lions share of these. Dino Flow, Jaspers loop and another trail at the bottom of the bluff (name escapes me) are all super tame. Even the new UFO trail and Megasteps are squarely intermediate trails and are a ton of fun.

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    Hi all. First trip to Moab planned for 10/20 this fall. Need a good list of beginner trails for my wife and if you were to do a 1 day guided tour any guide or trail recommendations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastsiderider View Post
    Hi all. First trip to Moab planned for 10/20 this fall. Need a good list of beginner trails for my wife and if you were to do a 1 day guided tour any guide or trail recommendations.
    Check out the intrepid trail system near canyonlands. Really nice easy loops. Few rocks and little elevation change, but pretty views. Also, go to utahmountainbiking.com, select trails, by region, moab...check out the brand trails (lazy EZ, north 40) After you guys are comfortable with that, do konldike bluffs trail and sovereign. Then there is the slickrock practice loop for a short ride and you can see if you want to do slickrock.
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    Ok, so we got back from our Utah trip. It was way beyond anything we expected, in every aspect. It was harder, rockier, more technical and way more spectacular than we thought.

    From what I learned, here's a few tips:

    1) High volume tires, at least 2.35. Run tubeless if you have the chance, if not bring 2 tubes per person on a riding group. Pinch flats were ridiculously common.

    2) Extra water, when we were there it was super hot (high 90's, the highest was 102 degrees). We were used to it (sort of) but one 70oz camelbak was just enough for me on a 16-17 mile ride, my buddies both had 100oz packs that lasted same as mine. We ran out of water approx 1hr before finishing the whole enchilada ride and ended up arriving into town BADLY dehydrated, we couldve gotten into serious trouble. So bring extra water.

    We did 4 days of riding in Moab, we did Slickrock, The Whole Enchilada, Amasa Back and the Klondike Bluffs. All were amazing rides.

    We camped by the Colorado river on a BLM campsite, had a table and a grill, and had primitive outhouses. Since we were planning to camp by the river we bought river-safe biodegradable soap and we took our baths there. The river was also appreciated when the day got the hottest!

    Other than that, with the info gathered here you can easily plan a great trip to Moab!

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    WARNING NOTICE!!! MOST SIGNS GONE ON WHOLE ENCHILADA TRAIL SYSTEM ARE GONE!!! ....BURRO...gone, UPS -LPS... gone, NOTCH-SNOTCH....gone, PORCUPINE JCT...gone!!!

    This dastardly deed of vandalism will mislead a lot of people until we can get to the trail course to put up some new signs, which of course takes time and money. Please tell your friends, clients or anyone you know who plans to ride this area for the first time about the problem.

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    Anyone done the one day 84 mile white rim tour from Magpie in Moab ? Thinking about doing that trip and will mostly be riding alone so a tour would be fun.

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    okay I have a chance to convert my wife to mountain biking this next weekend, I promised her I would never ride alone and we will be in moab this next weekend so that leaves her to ride with me. she had a bad fall once on a date with an idiot who didn't check her bike for her and the wheel fell off, she broke ribs. since I married her 14 years ago she has never gone with me.

    In a nut shell I need a trail that will fit her nervous riding habits and still be fun. I figure a 4 to 5 mile for starters will be best as she has never been on a bike that long before. I have a nice soft ladies saddle she can throw on my second Jekyll so soft seat and full suspension should make it nice for her.

    any help is great, I have hiked in moab but never been able to ride so I don't know the trails.

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    If I show up next weekend on Saturday afternoon, will most of the good camp sites be gone? Thinking Sand Flats...but never been.

    Also, if I get a shuttle to do the Whole Enchilada, is riding back to SF gonna be really tough after the 25 mile beatdown? What's the best way to get back? Would camping on the river be a better option or will it be colder with less sun down that way?

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    Re: easy trail fro nervous wife...

    I present you with two ver good options for smiles. Intrepid trails up at dead horse state park. Or ride EZ>Rusty Spur at the Brand Trails.

    Re: Sandflats after Enchilada...

    Plan on 30 miles. THe ride back to town isn't really that bad at all. The ride up to Sand flats, while not terrible with fresh legs is not going to be super exciting after a long day in the saddle. In the end, it really depends on your groups fitness and speed. I saw a few groups the other weekend that took 4.5 hours to get to the TOP of Porcupine. Told them should should bail down Sandflats as it was already 4:30. It gets dark now around 7:15.

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    @ Mostly Broken:I just came back from Moab today Do EZ/Lazy and North 40 at the Bar M trailhead, which is very well marked right off the main highway north of town. EZ/Lazy is a big loop, fast with very little tech stuff, North 40 is a 4 mile loop. If she feels up to something harder the next day try Mag 7, Get dropped off near Gemini Bridges (start of Bull run). You may want to have a shuttle pick you up at the end of Little Canyon cause otherwise the two-trackroad back to Highway 191 is uphill and pretty sandy

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    @ Donkey Kong..Bring atleast 100 oz of water for The Whole Enchilada..You can ride it from Burro thru Porcupine Rim and onto single track which goes beside the river..If youre scared of heights at all dont do these trails, much of the time they ride less than 10 feet from cliffs..If you get a shuttle to meet you at "negro bills" parking area your ride will be about 26 miles,,I found that due to elevation it takes about twice as long as I usually take to ride the same distance. PS- Bring lots of spare tubes, I saw one guy get 5 flats and he ran out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpranger467 View Post
    Do EZ/Lazy and North 40 at the Bar M trailhead, which is very well marked right off the main highway north of town. EZ/Lazy is a big loop, fast with very little tech stuff, North 40 is a 4 mile loop.
    Ez/Lazy loop is 3 miles and like ranger said, is not ver technical at all. I wouldn't recommend North 40 for a novice personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkeykong0 View Post
    If I show up next weekend on Saturday afternoon, will most of the good camp sites be gone? Thinking Sand Flats...but never been.

    Also, if I get a shuttle to do the Whole Enchilada, is riding back to SF gonna be really tough after the 25 mile beatdown? What's the best way to get back? Would camping on the river be a better option or will it be colder with less sun down that way?



    I would look to stay along the river. The Whole Enchilada ends with Porcupine Rim which leads past the river camping. You will want to just drop at this point! Sand Flats after this would be tough! Plus camping along river is nicer/quieter/less dusty etc. $8 you can't go wrong!

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    thanks everyone for the help on planning a trip, would poison spider have maps or can I download and print something myself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly Broken View Post
    thanks everyone for the help on planning a trip, would poison spider have maps or can I download and print something myself?


    They have free maps for Slickrock and Whole Enchilada. I would also recommend dropping in Uranium Bike Shop and picking up the 4th edition Mountain Bike Guide to Moab. It is on sale for $8 and is a great reference in addition to the free maps from Poison Spider. Trails are extremely well marked though with the exception of a few broken signs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly Broken View Post
    thanks everyone for the help on planning a trip, would poison spider have maps or can I download and print something myself?
    Check out Utah Mountain Biking - Trails, Information, Repairs for maps and gpx files
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpranger467 View Post
    @ Donkey Kong..Bring atleast 100 oz of water for The Whole Enchilada..You can ride it from Burro thru Porcupine Rim and onto single track which goes beside the river..If youre scared of heights at all dont do these trails, much of the time they ride less than 10 feet from cliffs..If you get a shuttle to meet you at "negro bills" parking area your ride will be about 26 miles,,I found that due to elevation it takes about twice as long as I usually take to ride the same distance. PS- Bring lots of spare tubes, I saw one guy get 5 flats and he ran out.
    Quote Originally Posted by rbbs View Post
    I would look to stay along the river. The Whole Enchilada ends with Porcupine Rim which leads past the river camping. You will want to just drop at this point! Sand Flats after this would be tough! Plus camping along river is nicer/quieter/less dusty etc. $8 you can't go wrong!
    Thanks! Guy from bike shop said there could be some winter weather moving in...hopefully TWE is still rideable.

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    Any updates on Burro Pass? Is it still good to go? Hopefully this storm that's rolling in tomorrow doesn't get too nasty. My current plan is TWE on Saturday.

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    I can see the peaks from where I am sitting. High clouds, no snow so far.

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    I'm guessing there's no way Burro Pass will be rideable by Saturday with the storm coming. We have a shuttle planned with Poison Spider, but I think we'll be lucky if we get up to UPS/LPS.

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    Moabman, We are also planning on riding TWE tomorrow. Keep us posted
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    Light dusting of snow on the La Sals this morning.
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    saw some snow up there about dawn, but cant see that high now, can barely see the rim. Been raining since before dawn. heavy at first, moderately at the moment.
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    So tomorrow we are looking at Hero Dirt...or a mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GageGillings View Post
    So tomorrow we are looking at Hero Dirt...or a mess.
    I've experienced nothing but hero dirt 24hours after rain here. You'll be fine. Bi-polar weather - monsoon like. La Sals are socked in. Snow wouldn't surprise me. The good news is it's rather mild down in Moab right now.

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    Could i get an update on conditions after the storm passes through. I'm looking to come out for a few days at the end of next week, driving from cali so i want to make sure conditions are good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mt. Tam Haze View Post
    Could i get an update on conditions after the storm passes through. I'm looking to come out for a few days at the end of next week, driving from cali so i want to make sure conditions are good.
    Cheers
    Still foggy up there. Worst case, you won't be able to ride Burro. Everything else is Primo.

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    well I talked with my wife about the trails that were suggested and she just chimed in "how about slick rock" I didn't argue so we are doing it tomorrow. the rain was crazy today but we drove through the park and saw tons of water falls all over. my ten year old is coming along for the ride tomorrow as well but we are only doing the slick rock practice loop, we shall see how they feel after that for another ride somewhere else but my wife is pushing to hit goblin valley on the way home so may be a crunch for time.

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    It rained off and on today, the lower trails were in good shape. I'll find out tomorrow morning how the upper stuff is. The shuttle driver wasn't sure yet on conditions above LPS.

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    Slickrock

    I didnt do the practice loop at slickrock (did the 12 mile portion) but from what I understand its no easier (skills needed) than the rest of the trail. That being said,,it is very steep in some places, I personally feel like a 26 felt better than a 29 at SL,,and rent from a place that has a dropper post, you'll love it though,,

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    Great Moab Trip. Ended up riding the Entire Whole Enchilada. The car couldn't make it all the way up to Geyser Pass so we pedaled up the road and rode/hiked/carried our bikes to the Top of Burro in 4-6 inches of snow. Burro was covered in snow at the top and Hero dirt down farther. Only place we had to walk was on parts of Kokopelli. It was a fantastic adventure ride. Ended up riding about 35 miles. Snow and 30 degrees on top, sun and 70 at the bottom.

    A few Pics are on our facebook page below.
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    I'll be in Moab with la-prego-wife and inlaws next weekend Friday-Sunday. I'd love to tag along on some people's rides and won't slow you down. PM me or email DanOrion at yaho dot com.

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    We ended up riding laz ez instead of the slick rock practice loop. my 10 yr old had fun and wants a bike now. Looking for a kids 24 inch. to have my kid like mountain biking made the trip even better. now to find a decent deal on a bike for him!

    thanks for the help everyone. looking forward to going again

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    Will be in Moab 10/19-10/25. Looking to join in on some afternoon rides. Any good ideas on how to connect with riders ??

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    Hi guys,

    Do you think spending 5 days at Moab for thanksgiving is a good idea ?
    Is there snow up there by this time of year ?

    I'm desperately looking for a good ride location

    Thanks

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    At this point any sort of weather will likely cover Burro untill Spring. Quite possible more. Aside from that, it would be pretty unlikely to be skunked around that time of year.
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    what's the word on Burro Pass now? muddy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by afraid View Post
    what's the word on Burro Pass now? muddy?
    More like frozen. Clear and rideable but ice on some of the corners near the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
    More like frozen. Clear and rideable but ice on some of the corners near the top.
    Guy at Poison Spider I just talked to was no bueno on burro... but I like a bit of adventure. Couldn't get more details but he was pretty adamant that LPS was "as high as you can ride" right now.

    anyone have any first hand confirmation/ride reports of burro/hazard?

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    When I wrote that, Burro was indeed open. System has since passed through. LPS is indeed as high as you can go. Warming trend is coming our way. That being siad, if we see Hazard again this year, i'll be surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
    When I wrote that, Burro was indeed open. System has since passed through. LPS is indeed as high as you can go. Warming trend is coming our way. That being siad, if we see Hazard again this year, i'll be surprised.
    I hiked up to Burro Pass on Saturday- snowy, but looked ok. I looped the entire enchilada on Sunday:

    Geyser Pass Rd: Snow packed starting around 9,000' - good riding. not too sloppy but that could change if the warm weather continues

    Burro Pass Trail: 90% snow- deep just over the pass. 70% rideable. Snow-bound adventure-fest

    Hazard: Some snow- but mostly snow-free- nothing deep, tacky dirt- no mud, will only get better till next storm

    Once you hit the end of Hazard there's no more snow anywhere.

    Get it while you can

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    Any current updates on UPS status? Hoping you guys dodged the recent snow storm. I was thinking about riding up Kokopelli and hopefully getting in UPS/LPS PR.

    Thanks for the help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foote30 View Post
    Any current updates on UPS status? Hoping you guys dodged the recent snow storm. I was thinking about riding up Kokopelli and hopefully getting in UPS/LPS PR.

    Thanks for the help
    Nope. Porcupine proper had snow this last weekend. LPS if you are lucky.

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    Bummer. You guys must have had more snow than we got in Colorado. Looks like I will have to find something lower in the valleys to ride, maybe check out that new 7up to Mag 7 loop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foote30 View Post
    Bummer. You guys must have had more snow than we got in Colorado. Looks like I will have to find something lower in the valleys to ride, maybe check out that new 7up to Mag 7 loop.
    Haven't been up to the LaSals but it does indeed look like they got a decent dumping this past weekend.

    I have not ridden 7up yet. Evidently most of it is double track. Getaway, however, is all singletrack, creates a great loop with arths, getaway and bull run and has been getting rave reviews... Have fun.

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    I haven't ridden 7up either. Just learned of it. Write up on UMB.com looks good, plus anyway to avoid the shuttle up 313 will be awesome and should shape up to be a great loop ride.

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    what trails are going to be rideable for this weekend? has most the snow melted?

    looking at possibly doing a couple different rides:

    1.fisher mesa and 2.top of the world, I know fisher mesa is higher elevation so maybe a no go?

    are the classics clear like soverign, slickrock and amassa back?

    thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmar123 View Post
    what trails are going to be rideable for this weekend? has most the snow melted?

    looking at possibly doing a couple different rides:

    1.fisher mesa and 2.top of the world, I know fisher mesa is higher elevation so maybe a no go?

    are the classics clear like soverign, slickrock and amassa back?

    thanks!!

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    Anything in the La Sals is unrideable. Everything else is ridable. Fisher mesa trail head is at like 8500 feet. I'm sure there is at least some snow, if not unridable at higher elvevations.

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    awesome thanks!

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    Rode 7UP and Mag 7 yesterday, no snow at all and the trails were good to go.

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    Porcupine Rim on Sunday-- awesome and tacky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    If you are hotelling it, and you plan on actually being there across Thanksgiving, you might want to make reservations, as half of Denver now shows up for one last ride before breaking out the skis.
    LMFAO

    Dude that's me, old lady and I are here for the weekend from the Denver area!

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    I'm going with a class from school to Moab for spring break. Am i crazy to take my SS rigid niner? What am I in for as far as terrain, and what would be more important, suspension or gears?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigstevo View Post
    I'm going with a class from school to Moab for spring break. Am i crazy to take my SS rigid niner? What am I in for as far as terrain, and what would be more important, suspension or gears?
    I think it all depends on where you're going to be riding, and how much riding you'll be doing. I think you'd be just fine on the SS Rigid Niner at the places I rode over Turkey day with my GF. Which were the Dead horse State park and the Bar-M/Moab Brands Trails. Both of those places had very little climbing and would be fine a SS. That's the cool thing about Moab, is there's so many trails that you can find terrain to suit every bike and rider.

    If you're going to do The Slick Rock Trail or some technical trails, rent a bike for the day. My GF rented a SantaCruz Superlight 29'r from Moab Cyclery and I believe it was ~$50/day.

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    Well I ride a SS niner hardtail, although I do have a REBA up front. I have ridden pretty much every trail I am familiar with in Moab on my bike since it is the only bike I ride and I have always been happy. Truthfully on longer rides all of those slabby rock sections that Moab is so famous for can get a little abusive but heck thats half the fun of riding a rigid right? As far as climbing and such that really depends on what you define is a lot of climbing. Most Moab trails tend to have some climbing although not an insane amount in my opinion at least.

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    Thanks for the help. I don't mind climbing, or walking that is. If we plan on doing some crazy slick rock sections I'll probably go with the rental idea. Prices seem fair for decent equipment. I guess it just comes down to trail selection once I get down there. Good to hear at least one other lunatic has ridden a ss in Moab, gives me a better feeling about it.

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    People ride them all the time. That being said, I used to ride a whole lot more before I moved here. I totally miss it. There is all sorts of climbing around here to be had, however a lot of the desert stuff is say 1K - 1.5K of climbing on a ~10mile ride with the ex exception of Bar M and Intrepid. I have a 100mm fork on my SS and after a day of riding it, I can't wait to get back on the squish.

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    26 FS for Slickrock

    If you havent been there before you will find that Slick Rock feels steeper that what the pics show. So just my opinion, but I rode a 29 on slickrock and felt I was way to high (center of gravity), I swapped to my friends 26 fs and felt much better, I was able to hit more of the steep rides with confidence.

    I did do Whole Enchilada on a 26 and loved it for the first mile or so (steep switchbacks), Then I wanted a 29 as it got rocky and bumpy. Again in my opinion I would do a FS for everything but the Bar M trails which are mainly flat. Again my opinion, If you do WH on a HT it will rattle the crap out of you and you will be exhausted halfway thru.

    My favorite trail there was Mag 7, you could build up some good speed and the trail had nice flow. There is a cut-off ride out part that was a leg burner but I would hit Mag 7 before any other trail.

    Remember bring lots of tubes (and repair kits) many of these trails have no help anywhere close and a broken bike could mean a 15 mile walk
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    Hello all, been thinking of going to Moab the second week of Feb for some riding. I've been there for Easter Jeep Safari with my Jeep in April, however have not been there in Feb.

    How's the weather for riding? Too cold? I don't like below 35 or so for l day riding. Thanks!

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    Does anyone know how much of the Whole Enchilada is snowed in? Ill be out there next week(March 18-22) I want to try to ride at least UPS, LPS and Porcupine. Also, any snow on Amasa Back?

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    Amasa back is good to go, lower Captain Ahab is sick, check it out. The whole enchilada is not even close. The only option that may be viable with the warm temps coming up would be porcupine rim proper, but I haven't checked it out myself or heard anything about current conditions. Anyone?
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    Maybe porcupine. Maybe.

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    An update on current snow conditions or lack thereof? Jwind?

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    My wife, son and I are from VT and have just lined up a trip out west for next month so we are looking for some advice on what to so while there. I did a boys trip about 10 years back which was all about hard MTB riding, but this will be different with my wife and son being less experienced riders but pretty active hikers. We have 4 nights lined in Moab so are hoping to make a day trip to Canyon Lands and possibly Capital Reef (I am actually leaning away from this since it looks like a long drive and there is more to see closer to Moab than we will be able to take in anyways). We have a week to work with and will be flying in/out of Denver so suggestions on a route and things to possibly do on the way there and back will be appreciated - I am guessing the high elevations will be pretty well snow / mudded out that time of year but it is a long distance with a lot of different terrain. Thanks in advance for any advice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajavt View Post
    My wife, son and I are from VT and have just lined up a trip out west for next month so we are looking for some advice on what to so while there. I did a boys trip about 10 years back which was all about hard MTB riding, but this will be different with my wife and son being less experienced riders but pretty active hikers. We have 4 nights lined in Moab so are hoping to make a day trip to Canyon Lands and possibly Capital Reef (I am actually leaning away from this since it looks like a long drive and there is more to see closer to Moab than we will be able to take in anyways). We have a week to work with and will be flying in/out of Denver so suggestions on a route and things to possibly do on the way there and back will be appreciated - I am guessing the high elevations will be pretty well snow / mudded out that time of year but it is a long distance with a lot of different terrain. Thanks in advance for any advice!
    Well, you are going to burn most of two days driving between Denver and Moab, so that leaves five days for fun.

    Assuming you are driving Denver->Moab during daylight hours, there is a great hike to Hanging Lake in Glenwood Canyon right on the way. You can follow that with a trip to the Glenwood Hot Springs pool, which is awesome. There are also some really cool caves (commercial) right in Glenwood Springs. Glenwood Springs is almost exactly half way between Denver and Moab.

    The Colorado National Monument just outside Grand Junction is a cool place to hike. Also, the Grand Mesa just east of GJ, but that is a huge area that takes a lot of driving. You can also hit the MTB trails in Fruita.

    It all depends on what time you get in to Denver. Assuming you are flying, and renting a car, the Denver Airport is a bit of a cluster, and is way NE of the city. Allow 1.5 hours between your landing time and the time you finally hit the highway. It takes 30 minutes to get your bags, then another 30 to get the bus to the rental car agency. Another 30 to get the car, load it and get your bearings, and now you are 4 hours from Glenwood and another 3 from Moab. I would personally set up the first night in Glenwood and go on to Moab the next day.

    Also realize that if you plan on returning to Denver on a Sunday, the traffic is generally jacked up on I-70 through the mountains from about 2 PM - 8 PM on Sunday afternoons, and from 4-6PM through Denver on any weekday. Don't try to squeeze your return trip, allow plenty of time. The airport is 20 minutes NE of Denver, and returning a rental can be a cluster during busy periods.

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    Airport options to Moab Moab Utah Airport, Flights & Airlines - AllTrips Salt Lake City is closer and easier than Denver for getting to Moab. Grand Junction even better. Several carriers fly into GJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSU Alum View Post
    Airport options to Moab Moab Utah Airport, Flights & Airlines - AllTrips Salt Lake City is closer and easier than Denver for getting to Moab. Grand Junction even better. Several carriers fly into GJ.
    definitely do not fly into Denver if you can help it. SLC is WAY better. half the drive time and none of the traffic. GJ is best but probably more expensive

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    Thanks for the replies and I don't want to turn this into a discussion about airlines and logistics but the whole reason this trip is even happening is because we will be in Denver on one of the weekends so that is finished. Under different circumstances I agree that I would try to travel differently but this time this is how it will be happening.
    Thanks again for the advice and please keep the ideas coming!

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    Just my 2 cents from the time I spent there last year at Outerbike. If your family is not very experienced I would do the "Brand Trails" on day 1, these are just north of town and are out-back type trails (no shuttle). It will allow for some small downhill experiences without exhausting you on the first day. Day 2 I would then do "Mag 7" which will require you to be dropped off by a shuttle service, but they are cheap and plentiful. Mag 7 is a blast as that it is mainly downhill with jumps that can be taken/or avoided if you wish. The only bad part of Mag 7 is the ride back out to the highway which is on a somewhat sandy 2 track (you could arrange for a shuttle just past "Gemini Bridges" if you want to avoid ride out, I heard there is a local guy who will "taxi" you out).

    Day 3 I would do Slickrock, if nothing else for bragging rights. I did it on a 29'r and found my center of gravity too high and was unsteady on some steeper downhill runs, next time I would do it on a short travel 26 (again my 2 cents).

    Day 4 depending on how your legs feel you could do "The whole enchilada" (if you have energy) or do something like sovereign. I will say if you do Whole Enchilada bring lots of water, several tubes and a repair kits. A break down or group seperation can be deadly as that no help is nearby (sorry dont mean to be dramatic but people have died on this one due to exposure)

    I have put a link below that has all the Moab area trails on it. Enjoy

    Utah Mountain Bike Trail Index Page

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    Given the stated experience level of your family, I think you can skip The Whole Enchilada, or just about any section that makes up that ride! Jackson and Portal would be two more "must not do's".

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    Going to be doing some camping in Sand Flats starting next Wednesday for the weekend. Weather is looking iffy with the cold front and Wednesday is supposed to be chilly with the rest of the days in mid 60's. Think it will be too chilly at night for those tent camping it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bfisher88 View Post
    Going to be doing some camping in Sand Flats starting next Wednesday for the weekend. Weather is looking iffy with the cold front and Wednesday is supposed to be chilly with the rest of the days in mid 60's. Think it will be too chilly at night for those tent camping it?
    If it's mid 60s it will probably be in the 30s at night, pretty chilly, but totally fine with the right stuff. As long as you have a decent 0-20 degree sleeping bag and wear a decent base layer/socks you'll be comfy.

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    Thanks, may be a little chilly for the others in a tent. Looks like all the other bikers in my group bailed out on this one. Are there a lot of group rides being put together on Porcupine? I'll likely hit Slickrock by myself but Porcupine having never done it before may not be the greatest idea. Looking to ride it this coming Saturday.

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    Captain Ahab is one not to miss. Very fun. If you ride at a good pace, combined with Rockstedder and out Jackson (if the creek is low). Check Moab lbs...

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    I'm looking for some more family (i.e. easier) trails for Moab this coming weekend. We were down in Moab two weeks ago for a couple of days, but this time we are there for four days, and I would like to ride four different areas if possible. We rode the Agate and Jasper loops last time, and had a good time, along with the Lazy, EZ and Rusty Spur (did those twice).

    So how about Borderline, Cross Canyon and Snippet off of Willow Springs Rd north of town?

    How much of a step up is Dino-Flow compared to Agate / Jasper?

    Any other trail recommendations for easier trails? I'm looking for singletrack, because even though my kids are young, they know the good stuff.

    Thanks - BS

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    So how about Borderline, Cross Canyon and Snippet off of Willow Springs Rd north of town?
    Some of the easiest trail in Moab. Wahoo is a bit harder but still no more than intermediate.

    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    How much of a step up is Dino-Flow compared to Agate / Jasper?
    If you liked Lazy, you should be fine.
    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    Any other trail recommendations for easier trails? I'm looking for singletrack, because even though my kids are young, they know the good stuff.
    Intrepid up at Dead Horse state park.

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    Planning a trip to Moab and Fruita later this year. I can either go Sept.5-12 or Oct. 10-17. I'm thinking Oct. would be better weather for both these locations(especially Moab). So would the Oct. date be better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
    Some of the easiest trail in Moab. Wahoo is a bit harder but still no more than intermediate.



    If you liked Lazy, you should be fine.


    Intrepid up at Dead Horse state park.
    Thanks for the trail info Jwind. How does Intrepid rate in terms of difficulty compared to Lazy / EZ?

    Also I get a couple family-free rides too, and was going to try Ahab for the first time. Can you recommend the best way to get all the good parts of Amasa? I have done Amasa several times, going down Rockstacker to Jackson, but have never done the Jackson loop either. Was thinking of going up Amasa and do the Jackson Hole loop (is it better to do CW or CCW) and then down Ahab , possibly doing an out and back on the spur back to Amasa down (is it worth it?) back down to the the TH.

    Also any idea how far the shuttles are going up Porcupine? I did LPS for the first time two weeks ago, and would like to get higher if possible.

    Thanks again - BS

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullSCit View Post
    Thanks for the trail info Jwind. How does Intrepid rate in terms of difficulty compared to Lazy / EZ?
    Even easier I'd say.
    Also I get a couple family-free rides too, and was going to try Ahab for the first time. Can you recommend the best way to get all the good parts of Amasa? I have done Amasa several times, going down Rockstacker to Jackson, but have never done the Jackson loop either. Was thinking of going up Amasa and do the Jackson Hole loop (is it better to do CW or CCW) and then down Ahab , possibly doing an out and back on the spur back to Amasa down (is it worth it?) back down to the the TH.
    The Jackson's Hole loop is totally different than Jackson's. It's long and most of it is a dirt road grind with nasty hike-a-bike up Jacob's latter and then down Amasa. If the dirt road thing blow your skirt up, then by all means, but personally I'd save your saddle time for singletrack.

    With the addition of Ahab, one can really put together a long ride in the Amasa area. If you want to do it all:

    Amasa>Ahab>back up Amasa>Pothole Arch>Rockstacker>Jacksons

    Or a figure 8:

    Amasa>Pothole>Rockstacker>Ahab

    Both are long rides. Especially for the non technically inclined.

    Also any idea how far the shuttles are going up Porcupine? I did LPS for the first time two weeks ago, and would like to get higher if possible.
    Currently to the top of Koko.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElDuderino2412 View Post
    Planning a trip to Moab and Fruita later this year. I can either go Sept.5-12 or Oct. 10-17. I'm thinking Oct. would be better weather for both these locations(especially Moab). So would the Oct. date be better?
    Well, early September can still be hot and Burro+ can be snowed in Mid October. Other than that, 6 of 1 1/2 dozen of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post

    The Jackson's Hole loop is totally different than Jackson's. It's long and most of it is a dirt road grind with nasty hike-a-bike up Jacob's latter and then down Amasa. If the dirt road thing blow your skirt up, then by all means, but personally I'd save your saddle time for singletrack.

    With the addition of Ahab, one can really put together a long ride in the Amasa area. If you want to do it all:

    Amasa>Ahab>back up Amasa>Pothole Arch>Rockstacker>Jacksons

    Or a figure 8:

    Amasa>Pothole>Rockstacker>Ahab

    Currently to the top of Koko.
    Thanks, you saved me from dirt road hell, as Jackson HOle doesn't sound that fun, so I think I'll go for the Figure 8, as I remember Jacksons being kind of a lock up your brakes and steer the skid kind of trail (it's been 7 years since I have ridden it, so maybe it has changed).

    Thanks again and really do appreciate the trail info.

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    So I'm heading to Moab in a few days. Will any of the BLM sites along the colorado river on HWY 128 be a good idea? Seems like there's a bunch of em, so i have a good shot at finding an available site. Being alongside the river is nice, i'm assuming it's good for jumping into with a bar of (biodegradable) soap at the end of a hot, sweaty day. I can bring 10 gallons of water for drinking/cooking and they have some sort of toilet in all those campgrounds, right?

    I had been thinking i'd want a campground with shower facilities, but if the river is tolerable to jump in, then that will be an acceptable (or even preferable) substitute. Is the water freezing cold snowmelt or has it had sufficient time to warm up coming through the canyons?
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    Does anyone know which shuttle company offers the latest shuttle on a Sunday on Porcupine Rim (hopefully up to the Kokopeli)? Trying to get a ride with the family in the AM, and seeing what time I have to be back in town.

    And regarding water temperatures, I'm not sure about down in Moab, but I have done quite a few kayak / raft trips in Westwater Canyon and Ruby / Horsethief (30-40 miles up river of Moab) this time of the year, and the water wasn't anything that I would want to hang out in. The campgrounds with showers are filling up, and as of 3PM today, the only one that I found that had a Saturday night opening was the KOA. Best of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyS600 View Post
    So I'm heading to Moab in a few days. Will any of the BLM sites along the colorado river on HWY 128 be a good idea? Seems like there's a bunch of em, so i have a good shot at finding an available site. Being alongside the river is nice, i'm assuming it's good for jumping into with a bar of (biodegradable) soap at the end of a hot, sweaty day. I can bring 10 gallons of water for drinking/cooking and they have some sort of toilet in all those campgrounds, right?

    I had been thinking i'd want a campground with shower facilities, but if the river is tolerable to jump in, then that will be an acceptable (or even preferable) substitute. Is the water freezing cold snowmelt or has it had sufficient time to warm up coming through the canyons?
    It's tough getting down to the Colorado in most of the campsites best bet is the boat launches and adjoining 'beaches'. Water is a bit nipply right now but depending on what you are used to it may be tolerable. Better yet, Moab Cyclery and Poison Spider both sell showers as does the aquatic center.

    Most of the sites along 128 and Pot Ash are of the pit variety. Same for sand flats.

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    Does anyone know which shuttle company offers the latest shuttle on a Sunday on Porcupine Rim (hopefully up to the Kokopeli)? Trying to get a ride with the family in the AM, and seeing what time I have to be back in town.
    Pretty much 8:30 and 10:30 give or take 30minutes across the board. You can give each shuttle a call and see if they have any shuttles booked at different times with open seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
    Pretty much 8:30 and 10:30 give or take 30minutes across the board. You can give each shuttle a call and see if they have any shuttles booked at different times with open seats.
    Also, call them. I was able to get a noon shuttle up to LPS last month.

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    Thanks Jwind. Looking at pictures of the campsites they don't appear to be very far from the water, but maybe it's very rocky or vertical or something?

    The Deschutes river here in Bend is always pretty darn freezing cold, even in August. I'm reluctant to say that i'm used to it, because i always hate how cold it is, but in any case i'm not spoiled by warm water. I'm sure the Colorado is colder than i'd like to swim in just for the pleasure of it, but i could probably stand a few quick dips just to wash off.

    Glad to know about the shower options in town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyS600 View Post
    Thanks Jwind. Looking at pictures of the campsites they don't appear to be very far from the water, but maybe it's very rocky or vertical or something?

    The Deschutes river here in Bend is always pretty darn freezing cold, even in August. I'm reluctant to say that i'm used to it, because i always hate how cold it is, but in any case i'm not spoiled by warm water. I'm sure the Colorado is colder than i'd like to swim in just for the pleasure of it, but i could probably stand a few quick dips just to wash off.

    Glad to know about the shower options in town.
    It's not that they are not close, you'll be tromping through the willywacks. It's just that the brush is often thick along the river or the muck is enough to eat your legs. Never showered at the bike shops, but the showers at the aquatic center are very clean and nice.

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    Need some help planning a last minute trip to Moab next week. I will be in Colorado for a wedding and will have May 13-17 free. Ive always wanted to ride Moab so this is my chance. Since this was kind of last minute I haven't had a lot of time to research so sorry for all the questions. I will be by myself and would like to ride at least 2 days as well as do some hiking/exploring around Arches and Canyonlands. I am an advanced XC intermediate downhill rider. I will be renting a bike. I know that I would like to ride as much of the Whole Enchilada that's open. Do they run shuttles during the week at this time? Any other recommended trails that I should ride? I figured I would ride SR but I am open to any other suggestions. Also I would like to camp while I am there. Any suggested areas to camp? Ive seen Sandflats mentioned on here but that's it. Finally should I bring flats or clipless shoes? Thanks

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    Govt shutdown... Is the Sand Flat Recreation area affected? Would the Slickrock Trail be affected? Campgrounds? Argh. Thanks.

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    I don't have the answers. All I know was when I tried to access the Canyonland PDF Map that I just looked at two nights ago, all I got was an error "Because of the federal government shutdown, all national parks are closed and National Park Service webpages are not operating. For more information, go to www.doi.gov." Sheesh, they even took the web pages down. Trying to save the power consumption?
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    sand flat, slickrock are open, not closed by shutdown.

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    Thanks dude. Phew.

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    Any idea about Canyonland? It's in my plan to ride White Rim in a Day after Outerbike. Would be bummed if we couldn't get in due to the gubmints shutdown.
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    National Park is closed.there are some other long routes in the county that could be put together pretty easily and would be comparable.

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    How high up is TWE accessible these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkeykong0 View Post
    How high up is TWE accessible these days?
    Our group got the whole thing last Thursday, then it snowed Thurs night & they were only going up to Kokopelli by Fri / Saturday. Hazard may be good to go if they dont get another storm I'm guessing.

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    Any updates on TWE?

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    Headed out there this weekend. First question is there a good spot to take the dog swimming?

    What's a good non bike activity / hike / check out the scenery after a ride?

    Will we need a 4x4 truck? Or will we be fine in our Impreza?

    How exposed is ups/lps? My wife and I are competent experienced riders - just wondering if she'll be waking "too much" if we go for TWE or as high up as we can get?

    Thanks and can't wait!

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    I'm wondering too. How much snow/rain did Moab get out of this last storm system, as we've gotten a decent amount of moisture in Park City, enough so the trails aren't rideable. Definitely hoping to get as high as possible on TWE also.

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    Hey anyone heading to moab Nov. 23-27th and want to meet up to ride? If so let me know. I haven't ridden much in moab, but rode a bunch in Fruita.
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    Update on trail conditions for the weekend of the 28th? Is everything snowed in down there?

    Mostly interested in Sovereign and Amasa Back.

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    I've been told that amassa and ahab are good. I would call poison spider bike shop, they will have the facts.
    I tried sovereign today, from Willow Springs: unrideable due to mud. By the weekend it will be worse.

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    I'm planning a Moab trip for the first week of April 2014, will most of the trails be open by that time? I am really hoping to do The Whole Enchilada, but I guess it depends on the weather. Are there any other fast fun downhill trails that I should include on this trip? I don't mind climbing to get there.

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    I don't think the Whole Enchilada is fully open till like June? Someone can correct me if I'm mistaken since I've only done Porcupine down. You might be able to do UPS/LPS down but I doubt you can do the higher stuff in April.

    Other stuff you might be interested in, Amassa Back, Captain Ahab, Mag 7 and lots of others. Hit Utah Mountain Biking - Trails, Information, Repairs and The Skid Map for more reading

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    Awesome thanks for that info and link Cobi. I will check out those trails for sure.

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    Headed to Moab this weekend. I know arriving in Moab late on a Thursday night is not ideal for finding camping, however, that's my only option for this trip. Leaving Denver around 430, figure I will be there by 11. If I want to camp somewhere that I can ride from where would you suggest? I know there is Sand Flats camping and slickrock, what are the chances of finding a spot? What about Kane Creek and Amassa Back? Open to other ideas as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusky21 View Post
    Headed to Moab this weekend. I know arriving in Moab late on a Thursday night is not ideal for finding camping, however, that's my only option for this trip. Leaving Denver around 430, figure I will be there by 11. If I want to camp somewhere that I can ride from where would you suggest? I know there is Sand Flats camping and slickrock, what are the chances of finding a spot? What about Kane Creek and Amassa Back? Open to other ideas as well.
    I wouldn't even mess with Sand Flats, if I were you. There is much better camping along Kane Creek Road before it turns up toward Amasa Back. The camping area is called King's Bottom, right on the Colorado River. If that's full, you could try along the Potash Road, directly across the river (to get there head north out of town, near the entrance to Arches National Park, and watch for the signed turn on the left). If you don't find anything there (you probably will - I've arrived late on Friday on Memorial Day weekend and found spots available down there), head north toward I-70, pick a dirt road to turn off onto, and help yourself. Anything not signed "Private" is pretty much open-use BLM land. Have fun in Moab!

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    I should add that you can ride from any of those camping areas. Along Kane Creek Road you can get to Amasa Back or Moab Rim. From Potash you can get to Poison Spider or the Portal (which I wouldn't recommend climbing, personally). From the BLM land north of town, you would have numerous options.

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