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    Moab and GPS/Apps?

    Hey me and my girlfriend are coming out to Moab this weekend from Breckenridge, CO for the first time ever. Spoke to a few local shops and it seems like there are a few trails right now that are going to be ride able by the weekend.

    "Greetings! We are slowly getting out of the snow. By this weekend the following will be good:
    Slickrock
    AmasaBack/Hymasa/Captahab
    Bar M loop/Rockin'A/CircleO
    Possibly, Pipedream"

    Well the issue we have is we have Sprint... which is notoriously horrible in your area...

    What Apps do you guys use on the smartphone to help you navigate/not get lost ect.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated. Of course we will research the trails before we go but it would be nice to have an app to assist also while im out there.

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    These trails are actually VERY well marked. Except for slickrock there is a map at all the trail junctions with a "you are here" smiley. And slickrock....follow the dots. There's a map at the trail head and mileage markers painted on the trail. Maybe take a pic of the trailmap with your phone as you head out.

    With these trails you'd have to try pretty hard to get lost.
    I'm looking forward to regretting this.......

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    There is a "Moab Trails" app through the appstore. It doesnt show you position while you ride but can direct you to trail areas. For GPS I use Gaia, that will show your position when you download area maps but will not show the trails, maybe a combination of both? As previously stated, the trails are well marked so you probably don't need anything.

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    Moab trail marking is superb. St. George is abysmal, FWIW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahJohn View Post
    Moab trail marking is superb. St. George is abysmal, FWIW.
    Quoted for emphasis.

    It's almost like Moab wants to earn your business and takes action towards that end, or something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahJohn View Post
    Moab trail marking is superb. St. George is abysmal, FWIW.
    Relative to Moab, about everywhere you go the signage is going to be abysmal.
    Yall should just go to Moab till Its better signed down here. Hopefully that doesn't happen till we have more trails to accommodate all of the pasty white northerners escaping the crappy air during the winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Quoted for emphasis.

    It's almost like Moab wants to earn your business and takes action towards that end, or something...

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    I wasnt aware that the businesses of Moab are responsible for the signs. Good for them. I always thought the BLM paid for them since they are on the land they manage.

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    The two apps I use for navigation are MotionX GPS and Gaia. Try the Open Cycle Maps option and see if the trail you are interested in is on there. Most trails in the Moab are in the maps but for some reason some aren't named. I've added that to my to do list but hopefully someone else gets to it sooner. Anyone can edit these maps.

    You can load tracks from Utah Mountain Biking - Trails, Information, Repairs into the apps. Also excellent trail info.

    Those two apps can be used off-line. You can download the map tiles. I've run them both at the same time and get different ride results on my iPhone 6S Plus, which has a barometer. I suspect the Gaia is more accurate but need additional testing.

    The bike shops sell the trails alliance maps of each system for a few bucks. This money goes to trails and they are very good. As others mentioned, the Moab Brand Trails and a few others are well marked with maps. Other than my wife, no one ever gets lost there.

    :-)

    I have some videos about the area on Intermediate MTB | Bike and Trails Analysis for Intermediate Mountain Bikers. These are geared to explaining the trails to intermediates who may be concerned that they can't bike them. They are not for those who want to see others bombing Porky or wherever.

    The only trails I've found difficult for navigation are in the Hurricane St. George area. The two difficult ones are a lot of Little Creek Mesa and the back side of the lollipop on Guacamole. You have to ride them a few times to get them dialed in. Navigation around Moab is easy.

    Have fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PiousInquisitor View Post
    I wasnt aware that the businesses of Moab are responsible for the signs. Good for them. I always thought the BLM paid for them since they are on the land they manage.
    Are you actually arguing that the town(s)(and residents) surrounding a trail system have no influence on their management, construction, use and future development?



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    Hey! that is amazing to hear that the area is very well marked! that is great to hear, not too many towns are like that. In Breckenridge theres a few trails that aren't marked very well and if you make 1 wrong turn you will end up in town hating your life vs being anywhere close to your car.

    We both just got done building our new bikes and just wanted to test it out and get away from the crappy weather up here. Going to do the Amasa/Hymasa/Capt Ahab, watch the stars than head home the next day

    Everyone has been very helpful, thanks for the info.

    BTW any recommendations on a camp site? Just something we can pitch up a tent and our portable stove and we will be happy.

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    There is a Moab Trail App for both Apple and Android.

    FWIW, I have recently used the Trailforks App, and am very happy with it so far (but have not yet used it in Moab). But their Moab trail listings are extensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Are you actually arguing that the town(s)(and residents) surrounding a trail system have no influence on their management, construction, use and future development?



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    We were discussing signs. You implied that the City of Moab was responsible for them. I asked if they paid for them or installed them.

    How else does someone further their cause if not by those two things (time and money)?

    Yes, the locals have influence but I think you are giving them too much credit. Have you ever been to a public meeting about trails and mountain biking? How many fellow bikers were there? Should I dig up some of Walt's rants about people showing up for shit?

    A good recreation specialist working for the land management agency is worth more than a hundred locals on two wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwin970 View Post
    Hey! that is amazing to hear that the area is very well marked! that is great to hear, not too many towns are like that. In Breckenridge theres a few trails that aren't marked very well and if you make 1 wrong turn you will end up in town hating your life vs being anywhere close to your car.

    We both just got done building our new bikes and just wanted to test it out and get away from the crappy weather up here. Going to do the Amasa/Hymasa/Capt Ahab, watch the stars than head home the next day

    Everyone has been very helpful, thanks for the info.

    BTW any recommendations on a camp site? Just something we can pitch up a tent and our portable stove and we will be happy.
    There are nice campsites next to the river out Hwy 128 about a 1/2 mile from town along with a bikepath into town. They fill up fast on weekends , there are more about three miles from town at the trailhead for porcupine rim, still with bikepatch access. Sandflats campground is nice, has a fee and also fills fast but you are next to the slickrock trailhead for evening romps. Town wasn't too busy last weekend but I can't predict uow long it will stay that way.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PiousInquisitor View Post
    We were discussing signs. You implied that the City of Moab was responsible for them. I asked if they paid for them or installed them.

    How else does someone further their cause if not by those two things (time and money)?

    Yes, the locals have influence but I think you are giving them too much credit. Have you ever been to a public meeting about trails and mountain biking? How many fellow bikers were there? Should I dig up some of Walt's rants about people showing up for shit?

    A good recreation specialist working for the land management agency is worth more than a hundred locals on two wheels.

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    Perhaps I should have said, "Residents and businesses of Moab, to include those that benefit from tax revenue from those residents and businesses". It is in the city's best interest, and that of the BLM (greater usage = more funding), to do everything they can to promote riding in the area.

    Hell, they even have a MOUNTAIN BIKER on the City of Moab, UT web site: Moab, UT - Official Website

    Which includes a direct link to: City of Moab's Official Tourism Website - Get up-to-date vacation planning information from the only official source for the city of Moab.

    Now, compare that to St. George. City of St. George :: Welcome to the City of St. George

    The only "cycling" on that website is a link to a survey about their Active Transportation Plan.

    Point being, Moab is raking money in, hand over fist. While Moab has some nice terrain to work with, there are plenty of other areas that could do the same. But, they've gotten people and businesses on board at an unprecedented rate, where other areas have not. To the tune of eight million dollars/year and 300 jobs that are directly related to, or a result of, mountain biking in the area.

    Example: Intrepid Potash donated $20,000 to match a state grant for trail construction at Dead Horse Point. That $40,000, in conjunction with volunteer labor via Moab Trail Mix and IMBA. Which now brings in more than double its operating costs in user revenue, the majority of it coming from cyclists. From 2011 to 2014, DHP SP increased its visitors total from 182,419 to 333,488.
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    Trailforks app for the win.

    If you're looking for dispersed, BLM camping (no water, no toilet, no pay), Willow Springs Rd, which is the road you take out to the Klonzo trails, has plenty of spots, and should be pretty quiet this time of year.

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    Camping up at Sand Flats is nice, unless it's really windy. It does get sun right away in the am, which is nice this time of year, compared to other spots on 128 and in Kane Creek.

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    I'm spoiled, because I ride Park City (excellent signage), and Moab (excellent signage). So while the St. George/Hurricane/Virgin riding is excellent, it's absolutely non-friendly to visitors from out of the area.

    Quote Originally Posted by PiousInquisitor View Post
    Relative to Moab, about everywhere you go the signage is going to be abysmal.
    Yall should just go to Moab till Its better signed down here. Hopefully that doesn't happen till we have more trails to accommodate all of the pasty white northerners escaping the crappy air during the winter.

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    Thank you so much everyone! We are heading to Moab tonight, should get there around midnight... Do you guys think he Sand Flats recreation area will be full around this time of the year? Any advice on sites that are not as busy mabe?


    UPDATE: Got in touch with Sand Flats managers, looks like they are barely 1/4 full right now and tons of spot along 128 and Kane Creek availble...

    Looks to be a great week to get away from the snow

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    Please give trail condition update. May be headed there Monday

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    Quote Originally Posted by beerisgood1 View Post
    Please give trail condition update. May be headed there Monday
    Will do, I will respond here when we get back Sunday night and I'll post in the trail conditions post.

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    I use the MTB Project app and you can download maps while you have service that are still useful on the trail even if you don't have service. However, those trails listed should all be in areas where you'll get cell service.

    Camp anywhere, no one is here right now.

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