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    Looking for Tight Flowy Single Track

    I just moved here and I have experienced true alpine moutain biking. Its epic and I love it. But being from the east coast I still think I really like tight flowy single track with lots of dips and turns. For some buff XC riding, what trails should I set my sites on.

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    The Corner Canyon trails qualify, but it's too hot to ride there right now, I think. And some of the stuff off of Mid Mountain, too. John's isn't buff at all. But it's certainly tight. About 50% of the time I ride it I mash a knuckle on an aspen
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    Mueller Park out of Bountiful should make you happy. Just don't go on a weekend, or right after work. It's very popular.

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    Snowbasin.

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    Your next "new to Utah" task is to drive up to Park City, stop at a bike shop and go buy a 2008 trail map. It costs $2.

    Utah riding isn't much like coastal riding, but it definitely has flow. You will just have to do some climbing to earn it. Something that may provide a reasonable facsimile of what you are looking for is the Mormon Pioneer trail on both sides of Big Mountain. Just make sure you bring a bell, as it is infested with Boy Scouts. Bobsled has flow, too.

    In general, the riding around here divides into 2 types: alpine or desert. The alpine stuff you have seen, just wait till you get out into the desert. Flow is an entirely different thing there:

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/1479980029/" title="LittleCreek07.JPG by hukee, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1205/1479980029_f359ecff0f.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="LittleCreek07.JPG" /></a>
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    Luke's Trail in Price is the closest thing to East Coast like riding i have found, its just turns and flows while still have little bits of technical stuff though in.

    Utahans have no clue what riding say in Pennsylvania, North Caroline, New York, Vermont is like...

    this is what I use to ride a ton

    http://www.spokejunkies.com/images/video/bradys.wmv

    nothing in Utah approaches the amount of flow, and techie log piles as this(at least that I have found so far). Uinitas is Close but the main difference between my old home in Pittsburgh and riding in the unitas is that the climbs in pittsburgh flowed up the hill instead of being super steep like the Unitas.

    Trails I like in the SLC area.

    Draper area normally ride from bottom of Oak Hollow to the BST trail then to top of Clarks. Super fun twisty singletrack that flows.

    Mid Mountain - awesome long and flowly high elevation trails that runs between DV and the canyons. about as East Coast as you get in PC.

    Flying Dog - not that tight but still has alot of east coast like hardpack dirt to rail endless turns on.

    If you want an another ex east coaster to ride with I am almost allways game.



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    Thanks for the info!

    Quote Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA
    Luke's Trail in Price is the closest thing to East Coast like riding i have found, its just turns and flows while still have little bits of technical stuff though in.

    Utahans have no clue what riding say in Pennsylvania, North Caroline, New York, Vermont is like...

    this is what I use to ride a ton

    http://www.spokejunkies.com/images/video/bradys.wmv

    nothing in Utah approaches the amount of flow, and techie log piles as this(at least that I have found so far). Uinitas is Close but the main difference between my old home in Pittsburgh and riding in the unitas is that the climbs in pittsburgh flowed up the hill instead of being super steep like the Unitas.

    Trails I like in the SLC area.

    Draper area normally ride from bottom of Oak Hollow to the BST trail then to top of Clarks. Super fun twisty singletrack that flows.

    Mid Mountain - awesome long and flowly high elevation trails that runs between DV and the canyons. about as East Coast as you get in PC.

    Flying Dog - not that tight but still has alot of east coast like hardpack dirt to rail endless turns on.

    If you want an another ex east coaster to ride with I am almost allways game.



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    Hey thanks for the info! I'd be honored to ride with a local to get to know some trails. Are you up for an early ride tomorrow morning? I'll PM you my info.

    Cheers!

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    yeah sure can ride tomorrow till about 3pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA
    Utahans have no clue what riding say in Pennsylvania, North Caroline, New York, Vermont is like...

    I would guess-timate that at least 50% of the people on the Utah board are transplants, and know exactly what the riding in these other locales can be like. That said, I think that one of the keys to loving where you live is finding the best type of riding each locale can offer. A NW transplant would be disappointed if the only thing they looked for in Utah was boardwork and nurse logs, and you aren't going to replicate Pisgah here, either. You can, however, find exemplary trails that represent Utah riding. There is a pretty good reason this place is a MTB mecca.

    We have a really good set of photos of trails all over the state, just flip through till you find something you like. We ride a wide range of trail types, from pure XC to lift assisted DH:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/

    If you have any questions, totally happy to give beta or meet for a ride - it is practically my job anyway.

    Err is an SE transplant and a great source of info too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuky
    I would guess-timate that at least 50% of the people on the Utah board are transplants, and know exactly what the riding in these other locales can be like. That said, I think that one of the keys to loving where you live is finding the best type of riding each locale can offer. A NW transplant would be disappointed if the only thing they looked for in Utah was boardwork and nurse logs, and you aren't going to replicate Pisgah here, either. You can, however, find exemplary trails that represent Utah riding. There is a pretty good reason this place is a MTB mecca.
    I think that about sums it up anything I was going to say. There is a good reason the trails in Utah will never be like the ones on the EC (Pisgah is my point of reference since that's where I rode the most).......we haven't gotten rain in the valley since June 5th or 6th or something like that! Welcome to the dustbowl.
    That said, I still think there are trails here with great flow, provided you can rail interspersed loose dusty corners I'd vote (in no particular order):
    bobsled
    Mo Pi
    Mueller park
    Mill D
    Mid Mountain (PCMR to DV)

    If you want "tight and twisy" I don't think it gets any tighter or twistier than John's trail, although I don't think I'd call it "flowy".

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    I'm a fairly recent east cost transplant as well and the trails that remind me of being back east are the Round Valley trails in Park City and the a lot of the trails around Deer Valley. Round Valley isn't tight, but the ups and downs are short and it flows nicely. Deer Valley, while not as tight as many places on the ec, flows nicely as well while being mostly tree covered which is nice this time of year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. welcorn
    I think that about sums it up anything I was going to say. There is a good reason the trails in Utah will never be like the ones on the EC (Pisgah is my point of reference since that's where I rode the most).......we haven't gotten rain in the valley since June 5th or 6th or something like that! Welcome to the dustbowl.
    That said, I still think there are trails here with great flow, provided you can rail interspersed loose dusty corners I'd vote (in no particular order):
    bobsled
    Mo Pi
    Mueller park
    Mill D
    Mid Mountain (PCMR to DV)

    If you want "tight and twisy" I don't think it gets any tighter or twistier than John's trail, although I don't think I'd call it "flowy".
    Mill D IMO is only flowly if you have a big enough and stable enough bike its straight into the fallline and loose!!!

    John's is fun but that isnt flowly

    We could still make an effort to not cut out every dead fall there is leave some to play on. I know some trails are like this..LCC, Luke's, Uintas, Moose, but like everything could be like that.

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    Sounds like you are volunteering for WAFTA dig days!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuky
    Sounds like you are volunteering for WAFTA dig days!
    whats is that? and if you mean the recent dumbing down of Mill D it was better the old way. Just because I dont like something doenst mean I am going to make it so I could have fun on it. Its the one trail where my bike feels super unstable on(4 inch travel, steep head angle XC bike). If i had a bigger bike I bet it would be more fun.

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    If you don't like something, it is your job to ameliorate the situation, right?

    WAFTA is your local trail building crew, formed by people who recognized the need for more intelligent trail design. SLC Valley-oriented, well-organized and supported by the cities. There are tons of people putting in time and donating money and swag for trailbuilding, and we would love to have you be a part of it. The trails built by WAFTA have lots of fun stunts and techy sections - you should go check out the Draper project sometime. In addition to the one-way only DH trails, there are a bunch of XC trails going in. If you don't want them to be boring, someone is going to have to go in and help the Boy Scouts figure out what makes a trail fun - they tend to go in a straight line.

    You might also buy this book:
    https://secure2.convio.net/imba/site...&store_id=1361

    IMBA's guide to trail building will help you to avoid common trail planning and building mistakes.

    http://www.waftautah.com
    http://www.mountaintrails.org/

    I am sure that the Park City Mountain Trails Foundation would love to have your time, too, and then you could be there to defend your logs of choice on the alpine trails.

    (WAFTA doesn't dumb things down, and did not touch Mill D)

    See you on the trails!

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    funny thread... I think it's more than 50%.. I'm from NY state originally, school in MA and VT... That video is awesome, reminds me of the woods in Northfield Mass...

    The one that is the most east coast of anything I've ridden is Bench Creek to Little South Fork in the Uintas.. You go to Kamas, make a right and go to Woodland. Popular enough trail that you see MTB riders on the weekends. I forget where the map/directions are... Really really flowy, lots of fun. Good grind uphill, then a long long cruising descent with some flat... Really fast...

    Then in lower Deer Crest (where it is severely wooded, I can't think of what else particularly....

    It is odd, there are little pockets here and there that are "east coast-ish" but in all, pretty much because even up here it's desert, it is isolated little pockets...

    But really, can we complain??

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    One word - Bobsleed, just don't try to ride up it, down only! Ride up Dry creek to BST and ride down Bobsleed.
    Just be prepared to get up and start riding at 6AM at this time of year.

    And Mill D is an Alpine run IMO, (great run still).

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    whats is that? and if you mean the recent dumbing down of Mill D it was better the old way. Just because I dont like something doenst mean I am going to make it so I could have fun on it. Its the one trail where my bike feels super unstable on(4 inch travel, steep head angle XC bike). If i had a bigger bike I bet it would be more fun.
    Change is always hard. I used to think that what was done to mill D was bad, but I actually love it now. It is supper fast and flows well. We have been riding it just before it gets dark and no people. I scare myself sometimes because I am going so fast.

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    I love the riding here. I lived in VA for years, but grew up in Kamas/Park City area. Not that the lush and green out east isnt nice, but the riding I get to do now in St George is far better than most of what I got out east. More vert, and much more techy and challenging. Now, I have to say I love Snowshoe and WV tons. I also found I could get by with a smaller bike out east. Never needed much more than a 5 inch travel bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slloyd
    Change is always hard. I used to think that what was done to mill D was bad, but I actually love it now. It is supper fast and flows well. We have been riding it just before it gets dark and no people. I scare myself sometimes because I am going so fast.
    I agree "dumbed down" or not, it is still one of the best around. I didn't think it was really that technical before they did the work on it. It's not like there aren't other technical sections on the crest/mill D to get your fix on.
    Rode it yesterday and got rained on once we hit mill D.........still flowed really well.

    As for bobsled....I have an alternative to getting up at 6am. Night Ride. That trail is really really fun at night, it is like riding a completely different trail.

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    Thanks for all of the great replies. BushwackerPA took me to Flying Dog which is my favorite trail that I've ridden here yet. It was awesome! I've also had the privledge of riding Bobsled. I don't see myself wanting to get a big travel bike and do a bunch of alpine riding (yet).

    To me big mountain apline riding is a different beast that I don't fully appreciate yet. I'm not that much of a speed freak and prefer enjoy finessing my way down techy stuff than to blow over it on a big bike. I can't wait to find some trails to hit with a cross bike

    Cheers!

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    Try masonic trail in PC, narrow swooping through the trees. It connects form Gambel Oak to Lost prospector. Very forested and an East Coast feel, especially when you can't see 10ft ahead of you.

    There is alot to like about Riding in UT. But tons of technical challnege packed into a few short miles of flowing singletrack is not the forte of most trails I have seen. Look forward to more long climbs, more long continuous descents, many more long trail rides, and more trail heads within an hours drive than from most eastern cities. Get used to loose trail surface. Bigger tires like 2.4"+ help alot in the summer. If you leave the resort areas the trails are deserted, wild, and rarely kept up. I see very few people on my rides through Logan canyon. Park City and the areas near SLC are a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tromano
    Try masonic trail in PC
    Masonic is great, so is Two Fingers. Neither are super technically challenging, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA
    Mill D IMO is only flowly if you have a big enough and stable enough bike its straight into the fallline and loose!!!

    John's is fun but that isnt flowly

    We could still make an effort to not cut out every dead fall there is leave some to play on. I know some trails are like this..LCC, Luke's, Uintas, Moose, but like everything could be like that.
    I guess it depends on the rider.

    I think John's is one of the flowiest trails ever - and that's riding it on my rigid bike. And yeah, Mill D is nicer on a good FS bike but with all the overzealous trail maintenance it's really smooth these days.

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    Sometimes I miss this....sometimes I don't:

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