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    Flyin' Brian 'Super D' Whack-A-Mole recap

    First off, let me start this by saying that Sunday's event was not a Super-D in the current interpretation of the term. Far, far from it. Nor was this IMO a 'Trail Bike DH.' To be honest I don't know how to describe this event yet but it definitely deserves its own term and category. With the need of 6 aide stations over a 5.2 mile course I think you get the idea.

    Those of you fortunate enough to have ridden Dark Hollow and all of its variations over the past decade know that it is no longer a buff and easy piece of single track-quite the opposite now. With all the rain and reroutes it is a technical boulder field mixed in with fairly technical and challenging 'easy' sections. Riding it for fun is a challenge. Racing it may just be completely insane.

    Practice: I showed up Saturday afternoon and met up with my brother and Cathy Crusher for a practice run. Myself and the bike felt fine. I felt I was riding fast I was confident and getting psyched for the next day's event. Then one tiny mistake. A hesitation at rolling over a rock as opposed to launching off caught me going over the bars in the dark, wooded technical section. I came down hard on my upper left thigh and for a split second I thought I had broken my femur. To add insult to injury, it was my first crash all year. My left forearm was mildly bruised. I had a golfball sized hematoma on my left shin. My quad was severely bruised and my left thumb-which I use to activate my Gravity Dropper was hyperextended. I shook it off and cautiously rode my way out. I was done for the day and had a hot date with a bottle of Advil.

    Race Day: I was surprised at the turn out. All things considered it was decent for a first time event like this and considering I believe last years Super D scared away some other potentials. More so, I was surprised at just how many guys were rolling up on full blown DH race bikes. Sundays and El Cuervo's, what have you. For a moment I felt a bit under gunned on my 5" Spitfire.
    The turn out of Pro's was very decent. In year's past it would be an act of god to get a Pro out to race a Super D. But there they were in their skin suits, full face helmets and 5.10's on flat pedals all on pinner 5" bikes with DH casing tires. The apprehension about my bike went away.
    The 30-39 Cat1 Men's consisted of myself, Krispy, Summit and another guy on an Iron Horse Sunday. It was a mixed bag of bikes in our class with mine being the smallest, Summit on a more appropriate Slope Style and Krispy on his secret Reign X setup with a 38 ring. We were all sporting the Carl Decker Lego Man XC Super D look.
    Krispy went off first and that was the last we saw of him. With 2 minute intervals it's a lot of time to make up to catch the rabbit. Mr. Iron Horse Sunday went next and despite the 'uphill' start, he was hauling the mail. I was next. Then Summit giving chase.
    I rode the top fairly decent and quick. Got a little squirly on the very first right hander and almost cased the big rock on the outside. But I got it together and led into the first switchback. On practice day I tagged my driveside pedal hard enough that I almost went over the bars and it took a good chunk of metal out of it. I knew going there to not run my brand new XTR pedals as they would be worthless afterwards, so I swapped them out for the old pair. After practice I swapped them out for a pair of DX platform clipless as I would be tagging my pedals all through the second techy section. Right before the race Tim Morris and I walked this first upper tech section as we were both striking pedals and found some lines way off to the left instead of inside to the right. This proved beneficial as I cleaned both sections without incident and headed over to the meadow and the short false flat climb.

    Here I raised my seat took a swig of water as my mouth was completely dry and then as soon as I spit the Camelbak hose out of my mouth I was on the high speed fireroad. Don't let the term 'fireroad' fool you. It is washed out in sections and super loosey goosey. Apparently it laid claim to Pro Naish Ulmer who decided it would be best to play Superman on it. With the fireroad quickly behind me I was in the thick of the *****. And for some reason I just shut down mentally. I was completely gripped, couldn't relax and starting making mistake after mistake. Eventually I came up to the rock that took me out the day before and hit it at speed. I quickly found out why I hesitated the day before as my 13" BB just jammed the bashguard into it and I almost came to a complete stop. Sloppy riding led to a couple of low speed get-offs and I forced myself to shut it down. After my final get-off I heard the slap of a chain and saw Summit come screaming by. He was flowing through the tech almost effortlessly. His body was slung low and it appeared that he was off the brakes and just letting the bike do it's thing.

    After that I just cruised the remaining half of the course and just had a bit of fun. I knew it was over with a rider passing so I just tried to enjoy myself. Eventually Scott Crabill came screaming past on the last sketchy, off camber corner and pedalled off.

    In the end, I took EDIT: Fourth Place out four riders. Apparently the guy ahead of me on the Sunday ended up seperating his shoulder somewhere towards the end of the course EDIT: and still kicked my butt. Krispy took the win and one of the faster times of the day. Summit finished with a very respectable time.
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    It'll be interesting if Ron can pull this event off again next year. I think that once the word gets out this event could be huge. I would just offer up the suggestion that he not try and pigeon hole or define it as a Super D, etc....as the current race terms offer no real definition as to what it really is. It's too short and waay too technical to be an Ashland or Downieville. It's technical enough to be a 'mega' something, but doesn't offer up the length.

    In talking with Krispy, etc... I don't even know how one could train for an event like this up here. Unless you live close to Brian Head or can afford to travel down there on weekends, we have nothing like Dark Hollow up north to practice on. I guess you could ride the stairs behind the University Library and have your friends throw medicine balls at you, but no where do we have a system of trails that require your brain to not turn off or blink for a second for 20+ minutes straight and leave you completely drained and achy afterwards.

    Despite the fact that I can barely walk up a few stairs or lift my left leg high enough to get my sock off and how much I've cursed at how sore my arm, thumb and the rest of my body are right now. I can't stop thinking about what it meant to be a part of an event like that and what I would/will do differently next year.

    Hats off to Ron for making it happen.

    For those interested, bike set up (for better or worse):
    2010 Banshee Spitfire w/RP23
    Fox Float 150 QR15
    4" Gravity Dropper Turbo
    Easton Haven wheelset
    Maxxis Exogrid 2.5" single ply front converted to tubeless w/Stans.
    Maxxis 2.35 High Roller LUST w/Stans
    Race Face Atlas lowrise bars cut to 30"
    Shimano XT crankset (now with a nice long gouge in one arm)
    34 single ring mated to an SRS+ (probably better served with a 36 ring if you can keep your legs from getting too chooched before the last few micro climbs).
    SRAM XO mid cage rear derailleur (I wouldn't run your fancy derailleurs-this one took a big strike and luckily still works).

    Next year I would probably run a full 2-ply DH front tire and perhaps the same on rear or an Exogrid converted to tubeless. I would also entertain running flats and a full face foregoing the standard Legoman look. Despite the fact there there are a handful of climbs, they are super short. In most cases people were just hopping off the bike and running up the steep, rocky 6 feet or so. The two 'extended' climbs are short lived and just more of an annoyance than anything. You don't have to be a fast climber to win this race, quite the opposite from your ho-hum Super D's which are now just glorified XC short track events and offer up nothing except the chance to sprint on buff single track on your XC bike for 14 minutes.

    Upper, 'non-techy' section of Dark Hollow circa 2009 (I believe this was the section right after you get through the first two techy switchback sections at the very top a little ways before the climb up to the fireroad, right beyond the rider ahead of me was the second aide station/checkpoint):

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    Sounds fun! Wish I would have known!
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    ....deleting extra long review i've been working on all day....

    excellent post....

    and to think i was going to make a mega post about this and kindly ask you not to muck it up with pics of chumley's mom so i could cross post it on other forums....

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    ....deleting extra long review i've been working on all day....

    excellent post....

    and to think i was going to make a mega post about this and kindly ask you not to muck it up with pics of chumley's mom so i could cross post it on other forums....

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    I'm too beat up and sore right now to do anything along those lines. I'm still sitting here debating about what to run next year and it's only been a day.
    Full blown DH tires? Flats? Full face? Go all Mark Wier and skinsuit it? It's a super tough race to figure out even before you're in the start gate. Just the mental fatigue of having to be 'on it' for 20+ minutes is just insane. You cannot think about anything else other than where you're at and what you're doing at that exact moment or else you're going to get spanked. All the while your cardio is through the roof as you're starting above 11,000 feet. It's just insane. I don't think there is anything like it here in the States.

    The only definition I could come up with right now about the race was 'Whack-A-Mole' as that is almost what it feels like. Crazy.

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    Haha freakin awesome writeup! I'll post some thoughts up later - also got some POV chasing pro Matt Johnston down the course Sat night practice, so will post something from that if it turns out.

    And FWIW I am a big fan of the Legoman SuperDork getup. Tried it at Sol Vista and I'm never going back.

    P.S. slc, have you raced the Ho-Down Super D? It's not as gnar as Dark Hollow, but pretty similar in length and still pretty damn tech. And of course lacking the altitude component of Bri Head. You should do it this year if not.

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    I would definitely let Ron know how you (or anyone who was there/wants to do this in the future) know how much they liked it. From what I understand it was an undertaking to get this to happen and quite expensive. You can PM me for his email if someone doesn't have it.

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    OK..

    So i'm feeling like i've smoked crack through a redbull can on the drive down- i've got goose bumps and it's 93 degrees in Beaver Ut. I'm staring at my bike through the rear view more than i'm wtching the road. Beastie Boys circa "93 is cranked to 11.

    Sneak in a practice run at sunset fri eve. Feelin pretty good.

    Saturday i've promised myself that i'm taking ti easy so i don't drain the legs! Run 1 goes great. Run 2....i've got MJ the pro downhiller behind me and he can corner like...well let's just say he's qualified for a world cup...i'm puttin the hurt on him during the short ups just so he isn't rubbing my tire on the descents. At one point i've got him by a lil bit so he "leans back and starts choppin broccoli" . Damn it he caught me again and i'm going beyond race pace because i wouldn't risk going this speed during my actual run. i explode. Sprained wrist (not my bad wrist, just the other bad wrist) and it's turning purple. I've got raspberries on 6 parts of the body. The secret Reign X is all bent up. Good thing i bring spares to races.

    Sat eve- i'm getting drunk, and i bummed a pain killer off a guy in the pits. I don't know if i can race but the beer will get me through the night. I figure if i can race then i'll run the front tire super soft, so in my haze i glue my tires onto the rim at the campsite. I stay up as late as i can drinking. Nothin like sleeping on the ground all wounded. Come to find out later the pain killer is some experimental drug they give to heroin addicts. I travel into another dimention in my tent that night, dreaming of racing with one hand on a Stingray.

    I awake and still feel very wierd and coffee isn't helping. I get an EMT to tape up my wrist and it almost feels barely OK. I say screw it i'll try to race. Thank you adrenalin!! Somehow my hand is working OK and i lay the wood while sticking to the ground and not catching one inch of air to keep the wrist pain at a minimum.

    I didn't break 20 minutes, but i won expert overall and got top 5, about 1 minute off the fastest time. I knew it would be tough but faced with adversity it's now even more memorable than ever.
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    Great write-ups guys. This was definitely the coolest race I've done on a MTB and I can't even begin to remember all the races I've done. I'll have to get some thoughts together about my Dark Hollow weekend and add them to this thread.
    Can't keep track anymore - Giant, Santa Cruz, Pivot, Yeti, Norco, Salsa, Intense - if it rolls on dirt I like it :thumbsup:

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    Wanna hear somthin funny? The guy with the million dollar motor home and the hummer, he's a super d specialist type (the 29er hardtail/lycra type- not the Legoman X- DH'er type) and he didn't race.

    Gotta love Dark Hollow!
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Wanna hear somthin funny? The guy with the million dollar motor home and the hummer, he's a super d specialist type (the 29er hardtail/lycra type- not the Legoman X- DH'er type) and he didn't race.

    Gotta love Dark Hollow!
    So. Awesome.

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    Where was the start and finish of the Super D?

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    Start was on top of the hill - just after the steepest part of the climb from the parking lot. Finish was where Dark Hollow singletrack meets second left hand canyon road (?)

    OK... here's my blog entry!

    I’d been thinking – no, obsessing - about the Dark Hollow Super D since the misery that was the Sol Vista, Colorado National Championships Super D. That experience, one of an enforced mass-start sprint to our bikes, choking on dust, and pedaling what amounted to a glorified XC course, had me doubting the future of the discipline formerly known as Super Descent.

    But I knew that with the right race, with the right track requiring a balanced mix of bike handling skills and pedaling fitness (and a time trial format), I could really find my strength in mountain bike racing. So I focused on Dark Hollow. I rode cross-country a lot. I pushed my middle ring on every climb I normally grannied. Dry Gulch to Bobsled, everything on the Crest but Puke Hill… I forced myself to max out and suffer. I even rode the Snowbird tram and did sprint intervals at 11,000’ elevation, nearly puking in the process. It was the most I’d ever focused on, or trained for, any event in my life. That is, until the weekend prior to the event.

    A buddy and I rallied for Brian Head early on a Saturday, intent on camping and getting a jump on learning the Dark Hollow course. Instead, monsoon moisture shut us down. And for some reason, it mentally crushed me. I was coming off a full week of schmoozing at Outdoor Retailer, and suddenly found myself unable to ride, committed to other events, and I stopped training. I drank too much beer. I nearly gave up.

    Saturday morning of race weekend I was on the road by 7:30AM, a minor miracle. I felt like a cornered animal must, kinda terrified but ready to lash out and attack whatever needed dealing with. Contained panic. And I felt out of shape and slow.

    Practice that afternoon both put me at ease, and on edge. I lucked into a lap with the Go-Ride boys, a good omen right off the bat. And like usual, without any cruxes to worry about, I flowed the trail the first time through like I already knew it. Of course Krispy and MJ, battling it out in a premature battle royale, were long gone – [email protected] not far off their pace. But Joss and I rallied and I was feeling good. Still, knowing the monster only added to the anticipation.

    After some food and downtime, I shuttled back up for a run with my Chainsmoke Racing teammate Carter Lee. After a quick pedal through the flats up top, we dropped in to the first technical rock garden. Railed through the turns and nailed a rock gap I’d noticed the first time… then heard the hiss of a flat tire. As soon as I pulled off, I heard Carter’s yells of pain echoing through the woods. ****. Running up a steep-as-balls trail at 11,000’ ain’t easy, and I only managed about twenty steps before slowing to a walk. I found Carter 50’ down the side of the mountain, off the trail, his helmet crushed on a boulder. He was awake, alert and in pain, so I accompanied him back to the trailhead where he was able to get a ride back to rest and recovery at the resort. Scary stuff. More clutter for my headspace—don’t. fall. there. I managed one more practice lap that evening, a more leisurely ride inspecting sections with MJ playing coach to his Cannonball Racing crew. A much better note to end the day with.

    Sunday morning, I was just calm. A bit nervous, but calm. And somehow, somewhat confident. A mellow spin up to the peak of Brian Head was the perfect warm-up. Then rolled to the start line. At first I was relieved to be in the sweeper spot for Cat 1 30-39, knowing the gunners ahead of me. That was, until I realized that Scott @ Go-Ride was right behind me. Back to being the bunny.

    The first few minutes of the race were all concentration. Pedal. What’s the line on the next corner? Push to turn. Stay loose, low, elbows out. Pedal. PEDAL. Drop into the first rock garden, through the switchbacks, vision, stay loose, flow it, let the bike do the work. PEDAL. It was a couple minutes past the first technical zone that I started to smile. Downhill races don’t give you time to think, but Dark Hollow did. I had time to realize exactly where I was: racing, rallying, pushing my limits on one of the best, shuttled trail rides in the country. In perfect weather, racing against good friends, in one of the most beautiful landscapes on earth.

    And it all just flowed from there. Turned in my best performance of the year—both mentally and physically. I never completely blew myself up, though maybe I should have. Had a few close calls, but recovered them all. Scared me a bit/surprised me a lot seeing slcrmr on the side of the trail, asked if he was OK, he just shouted encouragement so I rolled on. Pedaled through all the tricky ups, cleaned all but one step-up over a tricky rock. Lost maybe two seconds there. Otherwise, couldn’t have been happier with my run. Turned in a 21:50, good for 2nd place Cat 1 30-39. And yeah, I’ll take 2nd to Krispy any day, even if he smoked me by 1:30.

    P.S. Healing vibes to Dave who separated his shoulder in his race run… this was his first-ever Super D. He is a ripping rider, a regular on the Cat 1 DH podium and a super good guy. He actually rode out his race run on a jacked shoulder and even stuck around for awards. Just amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Got a little squirly on the very first right hander and almost cased the big rock on the outside.
    Heh. Pretty sure I smashed my left pedal into that rock every single time I rode the trail this weekend.

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    Congrats on the good runs guys. Great write-ups all. Made me want to be there. Sounds like a perfect venue for the Knolly.
    Love to see that POV footage when you get a chance to post it up, Summit.

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    You know, even after reading all this and my own words it still doesn't lend any justice to this race/course. Like I mentioned, it's one thing to go out on a group ride and take a trip down Dark Hollow with your friends. It's completely different to try and do this at race speed with all the pressures, etc... that come along with competition. Adding to that, besides the first climb up to the dirt road, you really don't have too many spots where you can just let go and relax. Even that nice, flat meadow towards the middle is basically a 14" wide U-shaped wedge of a trail that just grabs at your front tire. I ended up hopping up into the grass as I felt it to be a bit quicker and less sketchy to deal with wet grass than a manicured rut.
    What makes it even that more challenging is that you're hitting it right after a gully basically, littered with big, unyielding rocks. Like Krispy mentioned early on "You either have to play it safe and pick your lines or just go for it and monster truck over them all."

    I'm glad I threw down the $$$ and made it down for this event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murd
    Where was the start and finish of the Super D?
    The start was at the top of the short climb from the parking lot and the finish was when the singletrack met 2nd left hand road. So, essentially 5+ miles of super fun singletrack with a 30 second section of highspeed fire road.
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    I was hoping for some detailed race reports. Did anybody jot down a few thoughts?

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    I got one....where the h3ll were you?

    Let's see...
    JMH qualifications for Dark Hollow Super D...
    1. Fitness - former Pro Roadie...check
    2. Bike - 7" travel 29er....check
    3. Travel - wife rides too, no kids...check
    4. Excuses - ??????????????????????????????????????
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    awesome write-up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    I got one....where the h3ll were you?

    Let's see...
    JMH qualifications for Dark Hollow Super D...
    2. Bike - 7" travel 29er ....check
    There, that's better, I almost didn't know what you were talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    I got one....where the h3ll were you?

    Let's see...
    JMH qualifications for Dark Hollow Super D...
    1. Fitness - former Pro Roadie...check
    2. Bike - 7" travel 29er....check
    3. Travel - wife rides too, no kids...check
    4. Excuses - ??????????????????????????????????????
    Nobody personally invited me.

    BooYa!

    Actually, I had a really lame ride to do in the Uintas, which I can't recommend to anybody unless their idea of fun is riding UP moose hollow twice, like it was a few years ago with all the logs, and then riding down a boring meadow trail lined entirely with old-growth thistles. Don't worry, there were sheep everywhere.

    Yeah, the race sounds like it would have been a better choice.

    Oh, and it's only 5" of insane 29er travel.

    And I think MTBR will let you say Hell. But that doesn't mean that you don't have very good personal reasons for not using strong language, and I respect the $hit out of that.

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    What Tires For Dark Hollow Super D?

    I think this is one of the few places where the dreaded 'What Tires For....X' is actually appropriate. Or more appropriately, 'What Bike For Dark Hollow Super D?'

    Like Krispy eluded too, no one showed up on wagon wheels so that may be the 'X factor' with this event as the bike selection was all over the spectrum - minus hardtails and fixies. Like any trail the bigger wheel would probably excel in spots and be a burden in others. But even like the smaller wheeled bikes, you'd want the mental security of knowing they weren't going to fold at any given point.

    At the start seeing all those DH rigs pulling up I was second guessing my choice, but after dwelling on it for a bit I don't know how much of an advantage one would have in any particular age group/class on a big bike. Obviously, the pro's showed up on small travel, light bikes and made due. But in some of the CAT 1/2 classes, a full on DH bike (or the opposite) could set you apart from the guys/gals you're up against.

    It would basically boil down to how small/light of a bike could you personally run and feel comfortable riding that course at speed. And then making tweaks like tire choice, etc... to dial in the comfort/risk factor.

    PS, I received an email from Ron explaining that this is how he envisioned Super D as being. Too bad NORBA and it's current incarnation have taken and bastardized the event into another XC deal. I would still urge him not to label it as such in the future as I think it gives the wrong impression and could scare away people who would otherwise be attracted to an event like this. Anywhoo.

    BTW, JMH I personally invited you to this when I said "Hey, did you watch Friends last night? Freakin' awesome. I have it recorded on betamax if you want to borrow it.' Apparently you misinterpreted this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    PS, I received an email from Ron explaining that this is how he envisioned Super D as being. Too bad NORBA and it's current incarnation have taken and bastardized the event into another XC deal. I would still urge him not to label it as such in the future as I think it gives the wrong impression and could scare away people who would otherwise be attracted to an event like this. Anywhoo.
    Personally I would keep it labeled as a Super D. That race is what Super D is all about - long, overall downhill with a few quick ups and some flats where pedaling fitness is a key component to placing well.

    No one goes to Downieville expecting a mellow XC pedal through the woods. While bikes have gotten smaller and lighter for that course, no one is rocking a hardtail (at least no one in contention). We just have to build a similar reputation here in Utah. The racers will come.

    Basically, Ron is spot on and I don't think we should walk away from the Super D name just because USAC has bastardized the event into what is essentially a point-to-point cross country race with a net loss in elevation from point A to point B... but lots of climbing in the middle.

    Downieville, Ashland, Moab, I've heard great things about the Oregon Super D series as well... they are all in the same vein. FOR SURE Dark Hollow is on the gnarly end of that spectrum, which balances out great with more rollercoaster buff trails like Ashland. Let's fight to keep Super D what it should be.

    ----
    Also, Ron mentioned at awards that they are heading up to do some trail work and routing for a potential big new Super D at Pomerelle that would descend all the way to the valley, along the same lines as the downhill/tech/length as Dark Hollow (maybe longer?). I believe he said the date was sometime in late August. Could be the beginnings of a legit, Intermountain Super D series.

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    I am so bummed I missed this!! I crashed the week prior in Breckenridge and sliced my knee open real good so I cant ride until this weekend.

    THIS sounds like the type of racing that I would excel at. THIS is what I envision Super D as being. This sounds like the type of race that really rewards the rider who can do everything well. It is semi close to Salt Lake and seems like a good venue. I have already signed up for the Ho-Down Super D which sounds very similar to this, albeit a little less technical and a little lower altitude. I will definitely be doing this next year. Hope to see all you guys at the Ho-Down.

    Does anyone know of any good video of the course?

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    Quotes from people that don't dork out on the Net..

    Pro women's winner- "That truly was the best race I've ever done! Hopefully we'll be able to do it again next year! "

    Pro men's 4th place- "That was right up there with the Mt St Anne WC in terms of the coolest race i've ever done. I've been racing for 20 years and never done anything like that!!! I'd consider selling my DH bike to build a SD specific bike if there were more races like this"
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    Summit, curious as to what bike you are riding? Would this be doable on a Spesh Pitch?

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    Maybe if he just changed it up a bit to 'Super Downhill' or 'Super Descent', instead of just 'Super D.' I get the reasoning behind it, it's just that all the media coverage, like that in MBAction, our past Utah State Super D series courses, etc... have put a different idea of the venue into people's minds.
    When I first starting racing Super D back in 2006 the turn out was quite decent. At the Deer Valley NORBA event the next year there were like 300 participants. A year later at the very last DV NORBA event it died off, even though the course was (from what I understand) the most technical Super D course at a NORBA event ever-Carl Decker raced it on a Giant Glory in his Legoman get up. But by then it was too late. Too many lame, XC oriented races filled with climbs that suited hardtail 29'ers and racers with zero technical skill. Those of you who raced Wolf Creek last year will know what I'm talking about.

    Anyway, my two.5 cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH
    Nobody personally invited me.

    BooYa!

    Yeah, the race sounds like it would have been a better choice.

    Oh, and it's only 5" of insane 29er travel.

    JMH
    Everyone on the 29er forum knows a 5" 29er rolls at least as well as a 7" 26er. I'm calling Shenanigans.
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    Although i didn't flat, and like light tires, my Maxxis Minion EXO (850g) and Schwalbe Big Betty FR (890g) tires were pretty spot on. I got a little loose in spots and would be willing to try DH tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeywrenchMoose
    Summit, curious as to what bike you are riding? Would this be doable on a Spesh Pitch?
    I was riding a 2008 Intense SS, 2-ring setup, Elka rear and Lyric Solo Air DH 170 up front. And it just so happens I just picked up a Pitch Pro on the cheap for a more XC-friendly setup... so should be able to tell you shortly either way. The Cat 1 men's 19-29 winner was on an Enduro Comp (beat me by like 1.5 seconds, agh!), which has very similar travel/geo... I bet the Pitch would do great there. And it'll shred in Moab. See you at the Ho-Down!



    Oh as far as vids, I started editing last night. Hope to have something posted later tonight. I just couldn't post up 20+ minutes of unedited POV trail riding... pure torture.

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    2nd place pro ran Kenda 2.35 Carters, DH rear and DTC front.

    1st place pro ran (luckily/amazingly) 2.35 Small block with a DH tube and high pressure rear, Conti triangle pattern 2.2 front (mountain king?). He run what he brung though and i truely feel he got lucky! 140 qr fork, seatpost waaaay high, 3 rings!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Everyone on the 29er forum knows a 5" 29er rolls at least as well as a 7" 26er. I'm calling Shenanigans.
    Technically speaking, you're not quite correct...

    Nobody on the 29er forum knows anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Although i didn't flat, and like light tires, my Maxxis Minion EXO (850g) and Schwalbe Big Betty FR (890g) tires were pretty spot on. I got a little loose in spots and would be willing to try DH tires.
    Best way to test your tire choice would be to just run your bike into a set of concrete steps over and over again and see what the flatting/bursting point is.
    I noticed after my janky practice run that a brand new 2.35" High Roller LUST had a nice gash in the sidewall. It wasn't deep enough to flat but that was after one run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    2nd place pro ran Kenda 2.35 Carters, DH rear and DTC front.

    1st place pro ran (luckily/amazingly) 2.35 Small block with a DH tube and high pressure rear, Conti triangle pattern 2.2 front (mountain king?). He run what he brung though and i truely feel he got lucky! 140 qr fork, seatpost waaaay high, 3 rings!!!!
    It had to be his head to toe black skin suit that was the kicker there. I guess that still shows that the XC guys can still be a threat at an event like this. Make up time in other areas. Also speaks volumes (or not) about bike/tire choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit
    I was riding a 2008 Intense SS, 2-ring setup, Elka rear and Lyric Solo Air DH 170 up front. And it just so happens I just picked up a Pitch Pro on the cheap for a more XC-friendly setup... so should be able to tell you shortly either way. The Cat 1 men's 19-29 winner was on an Enduro Comp (beat me by like 1.5 seconds, agh!), which has very similar travel/geo... I bet the Pitch would do great there. And it'll shred in Moab. See you at the Ho-Down!



    Oh as far as vids, I started editing last night. Hope to have something posted later tonight. I just couldn't post up 20+ minutes of unedited POV trail riding... pure torture.
    Ah ha. Just put two and two together with a little bit of e-stalking. You are Particle, no? From TGR? Big green Demo and a new green Pitch now?

    I bought your old rocket box from you last fall. Small world.

    Indeed hope to see you at the Ho-Down!

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    Heh, got me! This (Summit) user name was actually a holdover from my old ski forum days as SummitCoNuSkulr, hahaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    It had to be his head to toe black skin suit that was the kicker there. I guess that still shows that the XC guys can still be a threat at an event like this. Make up time in other areas. Also speaks volumes (or not) about bike/tire choice.
    Although Scott Johnson focuses on Super D these days, he is also a very fast DH racer. Your average XC guy wouldn't have the skills to go that fast on the relatively light setup Scott raced.
    Can't keep track anymore - Giant, Santa Cruz, Pivot, Yeti, Norco, Salsa, Intense - if it rolls on dirt I like it :thumbsup:

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Although Scott Johnson focuses on Super D these days, he is also a very fast DH racer. Your average XC guy wouldn't have the skills to go that fast on the relatively light setup Scott raced.
    Someone give that man a Gravity Dropper. He would crush it.

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    Did you see all the post he had? I'm not even sure if they make a GD that long?
    Can't keep track anymore - Giant, Santa Cruz, Pivot, Yeti, Norco, Salsa, Intense - if it rolls on dirt I like it :thumbsup:

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Did you see all the post he had? I'm not even sure if they make a GD that long?
    I did notice the post in and amongst all the expensive bling he had adorning that Turner. The blinding chrome of it stood out against the muted black skinsuit back drop.

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    Don't tell SLC he got beat by the guy in the Sunday with a seperated shoulder....
    results...
    http://www.utahdh.org/flyin_brian_su...r_d_100815.pdf

    also-this thread is x posted on the DH forum if y'all want to see more replies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Don't tell SLC he got beat by the guy in the Sunday with a seperated shoulder....
    results...
    http://www.utahdh.org/flyin_brian_su...r_d_100815.pdf

    also-this thread is x posted on the DH forum if y'all want to see more replies.
    I wasn't going to say anything... I'm sure he appreciates having his spirits publicly crushed.

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    Put a little edit together from Saturday practice.

    teasers...
    shaka @ 0:39
    legomen @ 1:32
    faceplant @ 1:40



    Thanks to Joss for mostly playing rabbit, probably unknowingly.

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    Sweet vid. Course looks like a ton of fun. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Don't tell SLC he got beat by the guy in the Sunday with a seperated shoulder....
    results...
    http://www.utahdh.org/flyin_brian_su...r_d_100815.pdf

    also-this thread is x posted on the DH forum if y'all want to see more replies.
    Bastard.

    Fourth place and I can still do jumping jacks, oh well. Editing OP.

    Good on him for finishing and kicking my arse in the meantime. Time for me to take up golf or X-Box. I'm retiring my sponsor: Backseat of Krispy's Mini Van BTW. It's not very comfortable and doesn't offer much support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Bastard.

    Fourth place and I can still do jumping jacks, oh well. Editing OP.

    Good on him for finishing and kicking my arse in the meantime. Time for me to take up golf or X-Box. I'm retiring my sponsor: Backseat of Krispy's Mini Van BTW. It's not very comfortable and doesn't offer much support.
    Congrats!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    Congrats!!!
    Could I get that in brown with a box of Kleenex?

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    All Mountain Downhill?

    Photo John crossdressed this thread into the Downhill forum and some guy mentioned calling this type of event AMD, meaning 'All Mountain Downhill', instead of Super D.

    I don't know. Super D sounds cool, but it has sort of lost its meaning. For this particular event All Mountain Downhill sounds a bit more appropriate and to the point. Not to get all anal on definitions, etc.... It's just that in calling it a Super D it doesn't lend an appropriate interpretation of the event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Bastard.

    Fourth place and I can still do jumping jacks, oh well. Editing OP.

    Good on him for finishing and kicking my arse in the meantime. Time for me to take up golf or X-Box. I'm retiring my sponsor: Backseat of Krispy's Mini Van BTW. It's not very comfortable and doesn't offer much support.
    I'm Mr. Iron Horse Sunday. I rode out my race run out of necessity, not trying to salvage a podium. I stabbed a pedal hard on an off-camber rock section before crossing the creek just before the last checkpoint. It pitched me headfirst into a couple good size trees, one of which I hit directly with my left shoulder. After catching my breath I began the walk of shame with one ear to the trail behind me. I was sure someone would be passing me any second. Pushing my bike was very painful, so I decided to try and ride it out (smoothly). My shoulder was clicking and popping with every rock I rolled off, so I searched for the smoothest line and stayed away from the front brake. I passed the last checkpoint and told the guy there that I was OK and I would finish. I knew from experience that if I stopped and checked out my shoulder I would go into shock, so I just carefully rolled on. Eventually I reached the finish line (what a welcome sight!) and proceeded to go into shock. Thanks to Matt for sitting me down and giving me a coke, water, and organic fruit snacks (he made a point to tell me they were organic). I don't remember the Brian Head first aid guy's name, but thanks to him as well.

    I posted in the DH forum yesterday after the results, but after reading it, felt like a d-bag and deleted the post. It must have been the pain pills kicking in.

    I decided after what I'd been through I should hang around for awards and the prize raffle. I was sure karma had a good prize in store for me. I was right, I won a Deuter hydration pack (thanks Go-Ride ). Maybe I'll do yet another Super D, or AMD, or Dark Hollow Demolition Descent, or whatever the name ends up being. Actually there's no "maybe". I'll be back next year for this race. It was definitely unique and one of the funnest races I've ever competed in.

    And I am jealous SLC. I can't do jumping jacks right now, and I'll see my Ortho tomorrow and start to get an idea what this race really costed me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhd
    I'm Mr. Iron Horse Sunday. I rode out my race run out of necessity, not trying to salvage a podium. I stabbed a pedal hard on an off-camber rock section before crossing the creek just before the last checkpoint. It pitched me headfirst into a couple good size trees, one of which I hit directly with my left shoulder. After catching my breath I began the walk of shame with one ear to the trail behind me. I was sure someone would be passing me any second. Pushing my bike was very painful, so I decided to try and ride it out (smoothly). My shoulder was clicking and popping with every rock I rolled off, so I searched for the smoothest line and stayed away from the front brake. I passed the last checkpoint and told the guy there that I was OK and I would finish. I knew from experience that if I stopped and checked out my shoulder I would go into shock, so I just carefully rolled on. Eventually I reached the finish line (what a welcome sight!) and proceeded to go into shock. Thanks to Matt for sitting me down and giving me a coke, water, and organic fruit snacks (he made a point to tell me they were organic). I don't remember the Brian Head first aid guy's name, but thanks to him as well.

    I posted in the DH forum yesterday after the results, but after reading it, felt like a d-bag and deleted the post. It must have been the pain pills kicking in.

    I decided after what I'd been through I should hang around for awards and the prize raffle. I was sure karma had a good prize in store for me. I was right, I won a Deuter hydration pack (thanks Go-Ride ). Maybe I'll do yet another Super D, or AMD, or Dark Hollow Demolition Descent, or whatever the name ends up being. Actually there's no "maybe". I'll be back next year for this race. It was definitely unique and one of the funnest races I've ever competed in.

    And I am jealous SLC. I can't do jumping jacks right now, and I'll see my Ortho tomorrow and start to get an idea what this race really costed me...
    Great write up. After watching you sprint off the start on a full blown DH bike and then my getting all squirly and sketchy in the woods and just giving up and having Summit pass me, I knew my race was over.
    For some reason someone on here (not to name names and point anyone out, Krispy) told me I took third, but like I mentioned it didn't seem earned after having a guy crash out, get passed and still finish the race after my lackluster performance so I motored off.
    I wouldn't bow your head down in shame at that finish with a seperated shoulder with a ways still to go to the finish.... That's ballz right there.
    Heal up for next year.
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    A few photos from the event. . .
















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    SLC you're lucky you didn't get DQ'd for modifying your numberplate!!!

    Ya know, there's only 1 real Legoman pictured above, DJ lid/goggles!!!
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    Here's the only photo I have of the race. I'm celebrating my victory over myself with my son, Caedan.

    Can't keep track anymore - Giant, Santa Cruz, Pivot, Yeti, Norco, Salsa, Intense - if it rolls on dirt I like it :thumbsup:

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    SLC you're lucky you didn't get DQ'd for modifying your numberplate!!!

    Ya know, there's only 1 real Legoman pictured above, DJ lid/goggles!!!
    Last time I ran an uncut number plate I took a corner and it popped up all in my business because of my shoddy cablemanship.

    Plus, my original number was 659046GAPER and the plate was as long as one of those Euro license plates. I didn't think that was fair and Ron had to pull it out of the back of his truck because it was printed on an old piece of lumber with nails still poking out. He just threw it at me and laughed muttering 'why even bother.'

    You can't tell from that photo but my not so secret 2.5" Exo tubeless set up front tire washed out a bit on that first right hander and I thought I was going to tag that rock. I would venture to say I lost the race at that moment-30 seconds into it-unmodded plate or not.

    You realize first photo is bhd in the start gate. Can't see the bike he's on because Ron's standing in front of him. If you look hard enough you can see Krispy standing behind the traffic cone.

    Look at Joss all Mr. Sprinter Terminator Pants. That's like the Lance look back but in reverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Ya know, there's only 1 real Legoman pictured above, DJ lid/goggles!!!
    Pretty certain that's a Legowoman. There was a couple sporting the same jersey/kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Look at Joss all Mr. Sprinter Terminator Pants. That's like the Lance look back but in reverse.
    Sucks he flatted, freakin charging in those pics.

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    Good job! Best Line

    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    i'm puttin the hurt on him during the short ups just so he isn't rubbing my tire on the descents. At one point i've got him by a lil bit so he "leans back and starts choppin broccoli".
    ^
    This for the win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krispy[email protected]
    Don't tell SLC he got beat by the guy in the Sunday with a seperated shoulder....
    results...
    http://www.utahdh.org/flyin_brian_su...r_d_100815.pdf

    also-this thread is x posted on the DH forum if y'all want to see more replies.

    AND TWO CHICKS! HAHA

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    Quote Originally Posted by anacrod
    AND TWO CHICKS! HAHA
    Well, I wasn't gonna say it. But Arod has no problem bustin' your balls!

    Of course, if I had made it down there, I'm sure the comment would be directed at me. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by anacrod
    AND TWO CHICKS! HAHA
    Yeah, but I looked prettier. Hair all done up e-special for the event. Nails. Special Britney Spears knockoff perfume from All A Dollar.
    Plus, I didn't want to get my tires all dusty.

    So the tally then is my getting smoked by 1 partial cripple and 2 girls. Did the dead guy beat me too?

    At least next year I'll get to race in the old man's class against all the slow guys like Craig Skinner (sp?) . Yeah, that X-Box is sounding more and more better.

    I expect to see this anacrod person at the Humdinger for the final showdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anacrod
    AND TWO CHICKS! HAHA
    Bwahaha!


    In all seriousness, any time I can finish ahead of you and Addie I consider my race a success. Freakin rippers.

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    Oh, it's Addie. Hmmmm....

    I don't know if I should be honored or put a dull spoon to my wrist that her first post here is to slam me. But it is deserving.
    I can now almost complete a correct jumping jack without wincing and am able to lift my left leg up high enough to get my sock off without much discomfort. Apparently Krispy's backup wrist is still pretty jacked as he missed a rare opportunity to do a rain filled shuttle ride last night.

    Which is a reminder kids to always take spare tires, tubes, brake pads, wheels and wrists with you when practicing for Brian Head. That place will eat you and your bike up if you're not careful .

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    Arod is the one in the last pic with the flaming TLD helmet.

    It looks like among the 5 girls you finished 3rd, a chick sandwich! Let's not bring up the time gap between you and Addie (3min). I personally would rather have gotten 2nd if i were you, right between Addie and Arod. That right there would be a good place to be.

    I imagine you will have a good chance against them in the Humdinger, as long as you don't tell them where the trail goes and you miss mark the turns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Arod is the one in the last pic with the flaming TLD helmet.

    It looks like among the 5 girls you finished 3rd, a chick sandwich! Let's not bring up the time gap between you and Addie (3min). I personally would rather have gotten 2nd if i were you, right between Addie and Arod. That right there would be a good place to be.

    I imagine you will have a good chance against them in the Humdinger, as long as you don't tell them where the trail goes and you miss mark the turns.

    Love, Krispy.
    Ok, now I'm seriously confused-thanks P-Town/Summit. Regardless of which pro female is in here making a mockery of my Brian Head Alzheimer's Race Fun Run I'm still training. Eating right and clearing the cobwebs out.

    Funny thing about the miss marked Humdinger trail statement-someone's been up around that area putting down large blue arrows in the dirt-probably to mark something like that Wasatch 100 foot race or something. So follow those blue arrows and you'll be golden .-Not

    I want to say that riding the Humdinger would prepare you for a race like this. But besides it being twice the distance, I have to say that I was more worked and beat up riding the Dark Hollow course at speed during practice (even without a big crash) than I ever get on the HD. You can still tire out if you're sprinting the entire thing but you don't get the effect of a DH-type upper body workout like you do down south.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Oh, it's Addie. Hmmmm....

    I don't know if I should be honored or put a dull spoon to my wrist that her first post here is to slam me. But it is deserving.
    I can now almost complete a correct jumping jack without wincing and am able to lift my left leg up high enough to get my sock off without much discomfort. Apparently Krispy's backup wrist is still pretty jacked as he missed a rare opportunity to do a rain filled shuttle ride last night.

    Which is a reminder kids to always take spare tires, tubes, brake pads, wheels and wrists with you when practicing for Brian Head. That place will eat you and your bike up if you're not careful .
    Here's a photo of my Dark Hollow practice ride.
    Safety Flag - check
    Trailer full of spare parts including co-pilot - check
    Rescue Dog in the event I blackout at 11,000ft - check

    Can't keep track anymore - Giant, Santa Cruz, Pivot, Yeti, Norco, Salsa, Intense - if it rolls on dirt I like it :thumbsup:

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    The trailer would be nice. I would fill it full of rocks and just gone slow (read: slower). Would have be an excellent counter weight to stop from going over the bars. With my luck, it would still happen and then the rescue dog would be humping my leg when all the cute girls rode past me while I was all flailed on the trail.

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    Nice race ladies and gentlemen!

    As much as I enjoyed helping Ron with timing at the start line, hopefully I'll get to ride next year so I can trade post-race barbs with each of you.

    I also hope my son, Carter, won't his head during his practice run. He was pretty bummed he didn't get to race.

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    First Day of 2011 Dark Hollow Training In The Books

    Figured I should start training early for next year. Here's some epic bystander cam footage from last night's training session.



    I'm starting to feel pretty confident now.

    Reaction from the onlookers as to how well it was going.


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    Me and the Sanchez crew from St. G were up there that weekend. We ran into Krispy on Friday eve on Dark Hollow, or was it Sat Morn? Can't remember. Anyways, I think a heavy single ply like a 2.4 Kenda Telonics in the rear, and a 2.5 singleply Nevy up front would be perfect. That is the combo I run for my weekend trips to BH. Wouldn't it be sweet to do the Super D on Blow Hard next time? A little more flow and climbs, but still some gnar thrown in for good measure. A day in Brian Head is still my favorite day on the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chingon
    Me and the Sanchez crew from St. G were up there that weekend. We ran into Krispy on Friday eve on Dark Hollow, or was it Sat Morn? Can't remember. Anyways, I think a heavy single ply like a 2.4 Kenda Telonics in the rear, and a 2.5 singleply Nevy up front would be perfect. That is the combo I run for my weekend trips to BH. Wouldn't it be sweet to do the Super D on Blow Hard next time? A little more flow and climbs, but still some gnar thrown in for good measure. A day in Brian Head is still my favorite day on the bike.
    Thing about BH, off the resort stuff, is that they have a handful of trails that could be run as an event like this. Blow Hard would be fun as would Bunker Creek, despite the lengthy shuttle.
    A couple of years ago the Utah Series Super D was run down the old DH course-Timberline- at the resort, and it went over really well. I remember marking it with Krispy (and then Ron going back up and making a couple of minor changes) and we marked off a lot of techy rocky stuff. One, to dumb it down a bit and make it a bit safer. Two, to add a bit of length. Even with the dumbing down of that trail, it was still fairly rough and a challenge to ride a race speed-but no where near 5.2 miles.
    Needless to say, with a bit of creativity one could probably even put together something decent on resort property if there were to ever be a 'Super D Series' at just one resort.

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    Awesome write ups!!

    Reading all of this makes me want to race again. (actually more like ride again as a first step )

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    The Humdinger race needs a Frenchman to give it a little Megavalanche flare. . . You've got a few weeks left. . . just sayin'

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    Don't Call It A Comeback.

    Quote Originally Posted by P-townDave
    The Humdinger race needs a Frenchman to give it a little Megavalanche flare. . . You've got a few weeks left. . . just sayin'
    If this is the Mani I'm thinking of, he probably doesn't remember this as it was so long ago, but he actually was the one who showed me and OllieB all of the Bountiful DH trails one fall morning. At the time his new Yeti DH bike was on order and he rode everything on an orange 6 Pack. Then to top it off, he rallyed his VW wagon down the dirt road, blew his front wheel up and bent the rim.

    Given those credentials, the shot of him hugging a tree in MBAction a few years back and the fact that he missed Dark Hollow, the Humdinger could be redemption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Given those credentials, the shot of him hugging a tree in MBAction a few years back and the fact that he missed Dark Hollow, the Humdinger could be redemption.
    Yeah I totally would do that race. Since I have at least like 3 rides in this year including 1 bobsleigh so I am obviously more than ready to take out the clowns from Go-ride and pummel all of the other fools with my awesomeness.

    Beside I have been practicing my humping so it's all good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mani_UT
    That's the photo!

    Go speaka to your old team mates and they'll give you the 411 (I think it's actually 89E#*T6 in France) on the 'race.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mani_UT
    Yeah I totally would do that race. Since I have at least like 3 rides in this year including 1 bobsleigh so I am obviously more than ready to take out the clowns from Go-ride and pummel all of the other fools with my awesomeness.

    Beside I have been practicing my humping so it's all good.

    Yes, the Go-Ride logo was never worn so proudly! Mani, post your "Trees Fear Me" resume. That was damn funny.
    Can't keep track anymore - Giant, Santa Cruz, Pivot, Yeti, Norco, Salsa, Intense - if it rolls on dirt I like it :thumbsup:

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